How Light Can We Go? | Rich Tries To Build The Ultimate XC Bike
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มี.ค. 2023
- Weight in mountain biking has always been a hot topic and no more so than in the world of XC! With a few races and epic challenges coming up this year for Rich Payne, he wanted to see just how light can he go with his ultimate XC bike build!?
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Do you know the weight of your bike? Have you made any changes to get it lighter? Let us know down below!👇
Track the weight of my bikes more carefully than my own. Not gonna say always happy with either
35 lbs probally because of the dh tires
Yes, 20lbs for my Yeti A.R.C and I use Fox factory 34SC forks, full Shimano XTR, Thomson stem, carbon bars, Elite seatpost (rigid NOT dropper) ,Stans wheels and Maxxis Aspens.
I do know the weight of my MTB, but never once swapped a part on it to save weight... Replace broken stuff with stronger beefier stuff I sure have. For an old cheap aluminum 26er XC bike, it's quite porky @ 15.421kg (~34lbs) - not bad for a rough and tough XC bike that is not used as an XC bike at all.
19.84 lbs for my Large size Trek Procaliber, with XX1, and I actually made mine heavier; larger rotors, a more comfortable saddle, but got the Vittoria Barzo in the front and the Mezcal in the rear to replace the Bontrager Team issue XR2's, so it now weighs 20.2 lbs.
Keep coming these XC videos!! For lot of years all I can find in YT is techniques from enduro/trail riders with big suspensions that cant compare with my small, ligth wigth, long stem XC bike
Love this Rich. They say , 'to finish first, first you have to finish'. Yea, ditch the tubes.......x
Titanium Casette and rope spokes, full carbon seat and some titanium screws. Could save almost another kilo right there
When using a carbon seat, you will lose some comfort. And as we know on long rides you don’t want your butt to hurt.
also paint, dont forget the paint, that stuff is heavy!
A kilo ? You dreamin.
@@choanlpoto no berd spokes are really light
Was thinking the same.
Nice to see someone weighing their bike with pedals and cage!👌
Wow epic build. Would love a bike like that. I really enjoy the XC content that Rich does.
So happy with the XC Race content!
Thanks dude
Built a light trail part by part, estimating the weight from the start. I ended up being 1.5lbs different from design weight to actual built. Significantu unexpected weight came from underestimating/underreported brake cables and rotor weights
Really Nice Bike Rich.Look Forward To The Epic Challenges And Races You Got Planned Dude!!!
very lucky to ride a scalpel hi mod with enve wheels post and bar so its around 10kg. biggest gain I had was to drop a stone in weight! chuckle when I see these big lads out and about in the pursuit of grams especially on road bikes.
lol yep I am a hefty dude and people start talking about saving grams here and there, I am just like yeah I don't care about that, I am focusing on where I can lose the most weight off that bike and this is the rider lol.
beautiful bike and very impressive weight. keep this XC content coming pls!
I have that same bike. 9.5kg Way less expensive and didn’t have to bin so many parts as this build. I bought the pro model. mine has a dropper, runs tubeless. I saved weight with Magura sl mt8 brakes, Garbaruk cassette, bike yoke sl 125 dropper, Cannondale hollow gram cranks with power meter, carbon saddle, 1250g wheels, and conti x-king and race king tires. And I did MyO carbon view gloss, so very little paint weight.
What are the1250gram wheels?
@@ettoremarinello3951 I'd guess specialized control carbon SL
Can you do the same thing with a hardtail? It would be intresting to see how light you can get that
Yes! Male the lightest mtb possible! Probably gonna have to make a 26" bike since that is able to be made lighter than 27.5 or 29"
Thanks for the XC related content!
Pretty impressive Rich. I know my XC bikes definitely feel light to me and I have some pretty heavy bikes in my line up. I can definitely understand weight saving for your style of racing. I hope it yields the results you're looking for.
Great video. XC is the future 😂 Bin the rear suspension for even more gains.
Nice build Rich!!!
I used to be a Weight Weenie but now I just buy comfortable, sturdy and reliable stuff. My local trails are rocky so 29er Minions with inserts and a nice big 160mm Pike. WTB saddle instead of the superlight (and bum numbing) Ergon Ti. Ditched the carbon bars, gone back to alu. I got my bike down to about 28lbs but now it's probably more like 30lbs.
wo0w...I love the upgrades...Thumbs up!!!
My old 26"bike whas stolen . Crbon frame and i pimp that under 7.5kg 27gears xtr m970 ❤ i miss my old frend
XC is MTB, we need more XC content! Nice bike by the way 21LBS is amazing 👌🏻
The shifters and brakes really made me think about @dangerholm and his incredible builds !
I don't know about the tubulitos. The point of being light is presumably to be faster. I'd rather a bit more weight and less chance of punctures as I believe there's nothing slower than having to deal with a puncture. The best use for tubilito IMO is paired with tannus tubed armour - it can be lighter than a tubeless system with an insert and can have some advantages over it.
I had those tubolitos on my Mtb and Road Bike! As a spare ok, but I will never run them again over a propper tubeless system! I punctured them so often.. you can‘t go as low on tire pressure as with tubeless. And they are also pretty expensice.
Tunnus armour adds massive rolling resistance. Tubes + Tannus makes no sense for XC
Nice build! 👍
I would still go tubeless though for no extra weight. Keep a dropper post (fox transfer sl: 250g extra weight) and change saddle for a Tioga Spyder carbon. Save few grams there and keep it confortable ;)
Overall: still sub 10kg with some extras game changer🤘
I'm wondering if tubeless is the same weight. Is it possible for that tube to weigh less than the goop in a tubeless?
I was thinking the same for tubeless, may be a bit heavier but to me the reliability with that puncture protection tubeless gives you, especially during races would be worth the extra weight
@@intomlinson Yeah, it would really depend on the terrain. Also with the lighter casing tires, there may be more chance of burping a tire if you go tubeless. That's just a guess though, but if that's the case it would make sense to run tubes.
Dropper posts for XC seems really unnecessary, for enduro and beyond ? no doubt.
@@neilk22 I'd say opposite, I use it more on xc trails with constant elevation changes. When I ride enduro trails it's more leaving it up whole climb and then down the whole descent.
"I cannot wait to get this thing on the trails" um Rich, turn around....you are on the trails!
I’ve never wanted a bike more in all my life than this one. What was the total build cost?
Expensive.
I know you just built the bike up, but what about the new SRAM XX Sl drivetrain they just released? Is that any better for xc in terms of weigh?
Saving some grams by running a light innertube is all good on the scale but one flat and your race is over. Tubeless is defiantly a better way to go for a race setup.
My aluminum "diamond back overdrive" is 17lbs.
All aluminum, except carbon fork. No dropper, no suspension, and no gears.. like a 29 inch bmx bike .lol.
Awesome looking frame!
Got an old 2014 GT Zaskar 9r XC. Added a bafang e-motor and 360w/h battery. 16.8kg total weight.
Love the build
It's sick cheers
21.40 pounds ! Thats impressive Sir . I'm stuck on the long travel comfort of My 2021 Trek Slash ( aging body and many injuries ).
👌beautiful build👍
🙌🙌🙌
My MYO Orbea Oiz 2022 team TR full XTR in a small weighs in at 22.6 lbs stock set up tubeless with XTR pedals.
What a great build 😃
Garbaruk cassette, darimo seatpost, gemini or darimo handlebar, titanium screws, thm crank and alian wheels (french brand)
I’m a huge fan on the Raceface next sl wheels, they’re not the lightest, but they’re really stiff
Ditch your tools and get some super light tubes and tires. Been there, mate. Enjoy your walk home after you've had a puncture mid ride 🙂
Tubes, really? You ready to sacrifice the reliability for a little weight saving?
Reliability with tubeless? Enlighten us.
@@danvalicek Small punctures fix it self.
Relax it's a weight video
@@ItsMeHammie Bingo!
Agree with Stepan, at 85g a tube, sealant and a couple of valves are going to be 20-25g heavier a wheel, and will provide significantly better puncture resistance.
Great video 😃 bike build , that's always fun to watch 😃 my bike weighs about 12 kilos maybe even 13 😬😬
Same weight as my aluminum full rigid hard tail mountain bike. That's pretty impressive. I wonder how much lower it can go if he had a hard tail frame.
I am unsure if full suspension now but I made a 8kg parts list for mountain bike, never looked at xc bikes
should have done a control time trial on a good xc trail before the changes then did it again after. See how much difference those couple kilos made.
I have a 2020 Orbea OIZ that weighs around 10.4kg. Complete XTR transmission and brakes, fox kashima fork and socks, dt swiss xrc 1200 with maxxis ikon, fox transfer sl telescopic seatpost. It means the best in terms of reliability and comfort at a reasonable budget
XCR 1200's for me too but with Victoria Barzo's.
I really love the XC content!
Can you make a video about technical XC tips, for example tricky climbs or descents. Since all on TH-cam I see are those videos but with 160 mm suspension.
I second that!
Thanks dude and great shout, I’ll see what I can do
I remember my dad having triton titanium mtb (not full suspension)
He had the bike frame custom built for his size
And he tried everything to cut weight on the bike and the final weight was 18.8 lbs
This was back in 2012 i think
I even have pictures but idk how to show them here on youtube😂
Rich is the man!
🙌🙌🙌
Smashing build, not much scope for any more loss, but can go - Smaller rotors, replace all the steel bolts with Ti, (halve the bolt weight) swap the aluminium valve caps for plastic, trim the bar bung grippers, not sure on the saddle weight, but a full carbon with carbon rails shortie may be lighter? swap the axles for burgtec - possibly squeeze 200 - 250gm from all that
Sick build. The guys from ORBEA x Leatt x Speed Company are at around 10.8kg including a toolkit, and some extras for the CAPE EPIC. I really like the ORBEA bikes. Enjoy man.
Stunning
Hey Rich, you really don't need a blip box with all cables as you can use Sram's wireless sprint shifters. You would save another grams and the cockpit would look much cleaner.
Great video i would love to build a bike by myself, but please i want to see a video where you build a xc bike with NO suspension (carbon fork hardtail) this would be really nice ❤
Absolutely spectacular, I feel guilty with my polygon trail bike, xc bikes are sweet
I don't know, my SCOTT SPARK RC 900 SL 2019 weighs 9.2 kg with pedals
As an old school weight weenie I like the build, respect! I think tubeless is still where it’s at though.
Using tubes it’s like stepping back to 26”
There’s no good reason to justify tubes, not even weight.
EE wing crank could add style.
€2,200 euros for a set of wheels. Just had a look at price for them. "Flippin eck" as we say in Yorkshire. 😊❤
This is sick Rich! Any weight limits on the components you chose? I'm sure you've seen it, and maybe can't use it because of the rear hose routing, but if you got a Grace stem you could have the blip box inside.
That XC bike is even lighter than my hardtail and my road bike, considering I have quite small bikes. Absolutely bonkers!
I have 56cm road and all under 8kg, looking at trek Emonda alr with axs dropper for under 7.9kg estimate, unsure of xc but similar price to my trek build, maybe less I can get an 8kg mountain bike
Crazy he even got rid of the hair to get more areo😂 good video.
Beat me to it 😂
Actually, all he's done is installed it upside down.
Hair free... well he gets everything free so 😄
Would love to hear some feedback on ride quality and stability. Nice build!
Right up my trail - but any weight weenie build must cover £ per gram. And ideally some controlled before and after timed tests please.
How is the sizing of the orbea xl frame Rich?
Thanks
I'd like to thank Orbea designers for putting threaded BB in the frame ❤
The best!
Awesome build and beautiful brakes and brake calipers,it's a pity you weren't putting Time ATAC XC12 titanium pedals on,they're look much better than Crankbrothers and are more durable.Safe riding.
odličan!
this is impressive. I'm plsning on upgradinf my enduro bike and saving 800g of unsprung mass and a total of a bit more than 1kg
I'm pretty sure that orbea stock was already lighter than my oldschool HT xc bike. Especially since I'm running tannus armour in the back wheel with cheap coil rs tora fork.
I would consider some rope spokes and if it's going to be used on some rougher terrain a DT Swiss dropper, they seem to be very lightweight and I believe there's an option for carbon as well? But it's looking great.
Nice build but could've gone lighter; Ti bolts on everything, Schmolke carbon post, there are lighter chainrings available, ditch the valve caps and I'm pretty sure there are lighter stems.
Also I'm calling shenanigans on the brakes, the waiting times for Trickstuff parts was huge last time I checked!
I'm not saying go full Dangerholm though haha!
just go hardtail mode saves a ton
damit das ganze "schwere zeug" (inklusive gabel) das du ausgetauscht hast nicht bei euch herumliegt, kannst du es mir zusenden. versand übernehme ich natürlich 😂😂
Tires seem to be on a heavier side, the chain could be lighter, full-steel brake rotors instead of those with an aluminum spider were a real surprise for me 😂
Tubolitos are cool, but they tend to leak air through the valve and are very prone to punctures with anything slightly sharp inside the wheel.
No idea why I commented lol 😂
My XC bike is fully ridged, carbon everything! Weighs 8.3kg! It’s fast!
for some xc camps, i would try to go without rear brake to save 200g, and with tubeless but without selant and with Helio+nitrogen, lighter tyres, lightest suspension, wheels, berd spokes, light hub, etc... could reach maybe 7kg ish?
😂😂 not even that light. Some big fails too: Tubed, no dropper, no power meter, lost the function of squid lock in the fork.
it LOOks nice..
Very nice...
Love it… a bit disappointed as hoped to see the new AXS drivetrain 😢. But these breaks! Trickstuff is really the edge of technology.
Is it possible to buy the old components 😅?
Does the Orbea frame run a UDH hanger? The new derailleur has this requirement.
Trickstuff do not "break"...they "brake" lol
How much did it cost to replace the parts
Bike looks awesome even before the exercise 👍👍👍👍🇦🇺
Lizard Skins ESP grips over the Ergon (also your bar end plugs were like absurdly long), Selle Italia SLR boost saddle will save you a chunk over the Ergon, The Fox 34 is a bit lighter than the SID and also allows the use of a 160mm front rotor instead of the 180 you have to run on the SID....although you might want to run 180 depending on the course. Resin pads are lighter than the metal whilst we're at it too. Carbon-Ti axles. Carbon-Ti stem cap. Nylon bolts for the bottle cage. etc.
They're sponsored by Ergon,so way they were dropping them!
Ritchey superlogic grips FTW? 10 grams a pair w/o plugs. Not sure if the Lizard skins at 27-30 grams (small vs. large) include the weight of the plugs.
I was fortunate to live in Madrid when they hosted XC World Cup events in the Caso de Campo. I was able to ride the same course every weekend. The gnarly bits and the downhill sections were pretty rough and I wasn’t taking them with the speed and force of the pros. My question is: If lighter is faster in XC racing, how light is too light to take the pounding of an off road course?
i think Rich should have gone for "Ritchey" grips! :D
💯
Do you use slime etc in tyres with tubed or only tubeless?
Bath is just a so beautiful city
Chromag steel Rootdown with heavyweight assegai tires, 170mm fork... I'm better off not knowing.
Tires!! go way lower with schwalbe racing compounds in tubeless x 2.1 / 2.25, cassette throw a garbaruk in there, stem and steerer Ultralight... ~9.0 kg for your bike
CRAZY, even my carbon *hardtail* is 11kg light!!
I love nerding out on this stuff, but there's alot of useful information regarding diminishing returns. I.e., for this build, what was the cost/kg to get it from before to after? I may be able to get my bike rockin at 12/11kg for 2500 USD, but to get it to sub 10kg, how much more does that cost a typical consumer? We ain't all sponsored lol. Very much appreciate you guys weighing it with pedals and bottle cages btw. As if XC riders don't use those things.
The e-thirteen xcx race cranks would make it even lighter. They are under 400 g including the chainring.
Look pretty sick! So how much did this conversion cost?
I think you can probably save some more weight if you'd like. For instance a pair of Eewings cranks. Or maybe Pirope spokes?
All weight saved came from around the wallet area due to it being significantly lighter after the upgrades 🤣
Loved the video , next time add pricing. I have a feeling most of us cant afford this build.
What was the total cost to make it that light?
Run as fast as you can from those tubulito's
Nice gravel bike
Berd spokes will save even more!
nice set... but the lack of the dropper is limiting ...
Rad!!!
damn - my full carbon (i mean full, down to the saddle) gravel is just shy of 2kg lighter....