Selenium Toning - ILFORD Photo Darkroom guides - Episode 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- In the second video in our 'how to' Darkroom Guides series, we asked Rachel Brewster-Wright, to show you how simple it is to add additional warmth and depth to your black and white darkroom prints with HARMAN Selenium Toner.
Rachel from Little Vintage Photography is a film photographer, educator and co-host of the Sunny16 podcast. You can find out more about here at www.littlevintagephotography.com.
In this video Rachel uses:
HARMAN Selenium toner www.ilfordphoto.com/1143207
ILFORD MULTIGRADE RC WARMTONE www.ilfordphoto.com/photograp...
A film by: Tomfoolery (www.tomfoolery.ltd)
This next one of our ILFORD Photo 'How to' darkroom guides is a very simple video showing how easy it is to add additional warmth and depth in your darkroom prints by using our Selenium toner. Rachel shows you the very simple steps involved using one of her previously printed black and white darkroom photos. Thank you again to Rachel or agreeing to help us with the series. We really hope you enjoy watching them and we'd love to hear if you try Selenium toning after watching this video.
Another lovely video by Rachel Brewster-Wright and Ilford Photo. Very informative. Thank you.
Thanks guys, glad you enjoyed it. Please feel free to embed it on your website and share away!
ILFORD makes me happy!! As a student I learnt photography and spent many happy hours in the darkroom experimenting with predominantly IlFORD products. Still have some of my old film cameras and watching these videos is setting off an itch to dig everything out of the attic. TFS!!
Thank you! You should definitely get those film cameras loaded up with some black and white film and get out shooting.
Great video! Best process is to pour chemicals into water, not the other way around; this helps eliminate splashing of concentrated toner if a mishap occurs.
I love Rachel's Ilford Photo videos. It make me want to set-up a darkroom. Cheers.
Thank you - We're really looking forward to sharing the others in this series as soon as we are able to.
This is pure gold. Good info. Very useful to look at alternative processes.
Thank you. Do you enjoy alternate process? Which others have you tried?
@@Ilfordphoto Cyanotype a long time ago. Also scratching negatives to get an etched look.
I'd like to learn more about this subject.
@@stolenorange I've seen a few people experimenting with scratching negatives recently. It's an interesting effect
Very refreshing to have a female host! Nice work!
Thanks for watching Taylor. We love how enthusiastic Rachel is about sharing her love of printing and teaching others so she was the perfect choice for this series of darkroom 'How to' videos. have you seen the earlier video on Dodging 7 Burning? th-cam.com/video/b-keDPtVnGA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching Taylor and for the support! Great to hear you've enjoyed it 👍
Another great video. Thank you for creating these! 👍🏼
Thanks Craig! Glad to hear that you're enjoying them ☺️👍📸🎞️
Thanks for watching Craig, glad you enjoyed it.
VERY INTERESTING AND CLEAR, VERY USEFUL
SUBTITLES. BRAVA !!!
Thanks Mario. Have you tried Selenium toning yourself?
ILFORD Photo not yet but I'll do it soon 👍
Wow very interesting. I must try that myself. 👏🏼
You should definitely give Selenium toning a try on your darkroom prints Angelo:)
Well done Rachel!
Thanks very much Aaron 👍
That was super! Thanks so much! I've been using ILFORD materials since I was 14 in 1972! I started developing film and photos in my parents' laundry room. Studied photo in art college and never looked back. I'm really interested in reintroducing film back into my practice.
Wonderful to hear! There's a whole wonderful film photography community out there. Look forward to seeing some of your analogue work 👍☺️📸🎞️
That's so good to hear. I really hope that you do choose to give film another whirl. Please let us know if you do.
beutiful shot, and the toned look afterwards, looks essentially like a tintype or wet colloiden glass print, the contrast and brown look, great.
Hi Rachel,
Superb video workshop, as always. A great source for beginners and people like me who are returning to film dev and print after many years of "Digital Only" photography.
Btw, would love to know where to get myself a set of those lovely stainless steel dev trays :-)
Thanks
Selenium Toning or How mind bending background music can drive you up the wall Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Just turn it off and use the subtitles:)
Thank you!
It's always a pleasure to watch your videos which always are very well done. That will sounds a bit ridiculous but where did you get your metal developing trays ? I like them very much and wish to buy a set.
We've has them for years!
Very useful video, thanks for this series. Usually when I am looking for tutorials for classic analoque processes, 98% of results are tutorials how to fake it in Photoshop :D
Glad you found it useful Peter. Do you get chance to do much darkroom printing yourself?
@@Ilfordphoto not really, I have yet to try it.
I've just ordered some toner and am very much looking forward to testing it. I hope it works with non warm tone paper too? I'll get some of that in the future, but it's quite a lot more money than "regular" paper.
Yes it does with neutral papers too:) Enjoy!
I have just bought a bottle and I am looking forward to printing/toning 25 year old negatives...
Oh wow. Let us know how you get on:)
What a nice video ! A question, for a french fellow: the paper RC warmtone was in Ilford warmtone developer at the beginning or not ? Long life to Ilford !
The prints had been developed previously in standard Multigrade developer and then were just put back into water at 24 degrees to soak prior to toning.
Hi Frederic! The Ilford Warmtone RC paper I made the two prints on (the reference one, and the one I go on to tone), were both originally developed in standard Ilford Multigrade paper developer (i.e. you don't need to use a special / different paper developer in order to tone your print afterwards). Hope that helps!
@@Ilfordphoto Thank's !
Got to try that.
Give it a whirl and make sure you share your results with Ilford! Have fun 👍
Please share your results when you do:)
If I need to retouch a photo, do I do that before or after the selenium toning?
Excellent
Thank you :)
Should this be after developing a new print? Or I could do the toning even for an old photo? Thank you for the info
Thanks much! I have never toned...partly because I understood that especially selenium toner was pretty toxic stuff. Is the modern toner better?
Thanks!
Yes. It is pretty stinky and you need to take precautions as Rachel does when using it but as long as you are careful (as with any chemistry) there shouldn't be any issues. Tech sheet and further info are available here www.ilfordphoto.com/1143207
What ilford paper do you recommend for an F surface to be selenium toned to a more neutral tone. Graded paper, thanks.
Nice lullaby music. Put me to sleep.
I didn't even know this was possible until now
Thank you this is super interesting and makes me want to experiment with toning. For future videos I would suggest you record Rachel's voice better (using a dedicated mic?). That would make it easier to understand.
Thanks for the constructive feedback Gael and glad to hear it inspired you. When we shot this we hadn't realised just how echo-ey the room was and with the Coronavirus outbreak, we were unable to get back into the darkroom. The great team @tomfoolery have put some tweaks in place so the rest of the videos in this set should have clearer sound.
@@Ilfordphoto May I suggest removing the music. It adds nothing but detracts from what Rachel is saying.
I would love to see selenium toned prints with the new RC Multigrade V. It is said in its datasheet that it provides better results with toning than the fourth gen RC paper. Could you please show us some examples ?
Thanks for the feedback Tanguy. We do have some toned prints of the new MGRCDL paper in the office, i will try to get them shared once the site re-opens.
Hi I was able to try it with a different brand of Selenium toner though (Rollei), markably more responsive than MG IV (RC). 1:19 5 minutes. I followed up with bleach and sulphur toner (Moersch MT3) which worked nicely. Have not been able to try out a lot… see here: instagram.com/p/B8tH16qozOO/ (iphone picture, color of course is off (less greenish) R.
@@Ilfordphoto I'm about to order the new MGRC and a bottle of selenium, I would love to have guidelines & examples to know what I can expect with different times and dilutions.
Thank you for keeping it up with new products :)
@@tanguylejedi7357 I unfortunately can't send you any of this info as I can't access it at the moment. have a look at these pdfs from our website which may be helpful MultiGrade RC www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1954/product/1701/ Selenium toning tips www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/586/product/671/
Don’t know why but I am very surprised you don’t bleach the print first. This looks much easier than I imagined it would. 👍🏻
The Ilford Warmtone tones much more readily as a direct toner than any other Ilford paper. Standard Multigrade shoes much less color change, and indirect toning with bleach first will give a much more pronounced effect. Direct toning also helps with max density in dark tones, more so than when bleaching and re-developing in the toner.
Are you glad you watched it now ? :) It is a really simple process in it's basic form as Rachel has shown here, and can dramatically change the look of your black and white darkroom prints. There are some great tips for selenium toning on our website www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/586/product/671/
ILFORD Photo I will try it but I need the toner first :) I don’t like the real warm look. I print with the Glossy fiber and love love it. Hopefully it won’t get to warm looking I only shoot landscapes. And viewed Michael Kenna’s work in a Seattle gallery and his toning was gorgeous and what I want.
Thomas Bertilsson Thank you
With fibre paper, after fix, can you tone straight and then wash for 30 min? Or do you first have to wash for 30 and then tone an another 30 min wash?
Hi Kayhan. You can tone after fixing and before washing. If you are using our Selenium Toner then this can form part of the archival sequence for FB prints www.ilfordphoto.com/ilford-optimum-permanance-wash-sequence-fb-papers/#:~:text=The%20ILFORD%20PHOTO%20Archival%20Sequence,permanence%20for%20all%20commercial%20needs.
Wow this is amazing! I need a darkroom to start experimenting 😉 I would like to ask you something regarding Ilford rapid fixer I am a brand new into film and developing. What does it mean 1+4 ratio? If I need to prepare 1000 ml of fixer, how many ml of rapid fixer concentrate I need to dilute in water? 200 ml? Sorry but this thing is overwhelming! Thanks for sharing this video
That's correct Juan, 1+4, 10+40, 100+400, 200 fixer + 800 water=1000 ml Try to have the water at 20°c
Thanks Stephen!
Hi Juan, glad to hear you're excited to get in the darkroom. It's so much fun and very addictive. You may want to checkout some of our earlier videos in the how to playlist as well th-cam.com/play/PLarwq93oldzSmUWGGghh71uTyonfODd27.html such as processing our first film and making a basic contact print. These may help to answer any additional questions.
ILFORD Thank you so much 🙏 I can’t wait to start developing, already shoot 2 rolls of HP5 thanks guys!
Stephen Deakin thank for the feedback Stephen, I was kind of confuse, I really appreciate it👍
Very interesting video demonstration; however, the jingly music is very annoying and makes it hard to hear what Rachel Brewster-Wright is saying.
Sorry to hear that. There are subtitles available if you are struggling.
D'you know where I can find inox trays like the ones in the video?
I need to practice a bit more. At my initial attempt I see very little difference between the two prints even after 6 minutes in the selenium bath. Maybe its temperature is too low?
so it's go tha way? - warm water -> toner -> stopper -> wash?
Whats the sheet size use in this video? Thanks!
Where did you get those beautiful trays from? Can I buy them from you? :)
We don't sell these ones but i'm sure that I've seen similar onliine. (Arkay brand maybe?)
@@Ilfordphoto Don't think they're as nice as those hand made ones? Name your price? :)
@@severedsixteen Our tech team would hunt me down:)
good video, but Rachel did not mention somethig I noticed, that those trays are SILVER, NOT the red/black/gray ones used for sheet negative processing!!- good tip, to stop you mixing up, the print/post processing stages, ie putting the "RAW" paper into the selinum, NOT as you should, the dev/stop/fix trays!!!
You say 30 minutes washing. The manual of my Nova archival print washer says 45. Is that number too high/old?
We reviewed all of our wash times a few years back and re-tested and found that 30 minutes was enough.
@@Ilfordphoto good to know. I'll do 30 then. Especially with a print washer like my Nova.
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Guessing you enjoyed it?
Ha ha ! Your Plastic Measures are Cleaner than MINE ! I have tried bleach and that 'CIF' stuff cannot shift the gunge !
That's because they are shiny new ones used just for demonstrations:)
@@Ilfordphoto Ha Ha !! As they used to say in The Army " Get some IN !! " ( I bet YOU MISSED National Service BUT they got ME and I signed on for 3 years to get a good trade -- did Pathology in the RAMC and used the X-ray Dept Darkrooms to develop and print in Germany with AGFA materials -- Sorry ILFORD)
Selenium always looks too purple to me. Can you tone that down?
Dear Rachel, You're talking so fast. I am German and have difficulties to understand everything. I'm only sure, that tray 2 was the selenium toner. Please be so kind and answer me what liquids are in trays 1 and three? Thank you. Greetings from Hamburg
Hi Manfred. The two other trays both contain plain water. The first one at 24 degrees to pre soak and slightly warm the print, the third one at 20 degrees stops the toning
Hi Manfred, yes, I'm afraid I do speak quite quickly. Too enthusiastic! The other two trays are water, just as Ian has mentioned (thanks Ian!). Hope you get chance to try it out. Remember, you can also play/pause the video and there are subtitles too if that helps.
Hi Manfred. I can see that Rachel has replied below. Just in case you need it, there are also CC subtitles available, although these are only in English at the moment.
Please reduce the whimsical background music. It makes it really hard to her what she's saying.
Cant really hear what you are saying with the noise in the background ?? pity ;;;
There are subtitles available Fran if you are struggling with the sound.
HI , I CAN HEAR YOU TALKING BUT SOMEONE HAS MUSIC PLAYING NEAR YOU AND IT IS VERY DISTRACTING AND ANNOYING AND MAKES IT VERY DISTURBING LISTENING, PITY, THANK YOU ,, I AM NOT ENGLISH I LEARNED ENGLISH TRAVELLING AND I AM NOT THE ONLY FORIGNER THAT WOULD LIKE TO LISTEN TO YOUR ADVICE WITHOUT THAT MUSIC NOISE ,, THANK YOU ,,,
Can't watch - DUE TO SHITTY MUZAK! Too bad.