3 The True Fathers of Romanticism (Isaiah Berlin 1965)

Isaiah Berlin gives the 3rd lecture in a series of 6 on Romanticism and its roots.
All 6 lectures: • Romanticism - Isaiah B...
For Berlin, the Romantics set in motion a vast, unparalleled revolution in humanity’s view of itself. They destroyed the traditional notions of objective truth and validity in ethics with incalculable, all-pervasive results. As he said of the Romantics elsewhere: “The world has never been the same since, and our politics and morals have been deeply transformed by them. Certainly this has been the most radical, and indeed dramatic, not to say terrifying, change in men’s outlook in modern times.”
In these brilliant lectures Berlin surveys the myriad attempts to define Romanticism, distills its essence, traces its developments from its first stirrings to its apotheosis, and shows how its lasting legacy permeates our own outlook. Combining the freshness and immediacy of the spoken word with Berlin’s inimitable eloquence and wit, the lectures range over a cast of the greatest thinkers and artists of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, including Kant, Rousseau, Diderot, Schiller, Schlegel, Novalis, Goethe, Blake, Byron, and Beethoven. Berlin argues that the ideas and attitudes held by these and other figures helped to shape twentieth-century nationalism, existentialism, democracy, totalitarianism, and our ideas about heroic individuals, individual self-fulfillment, and the exalted place of art. This is the record of an intellectual bravura performance-of one of the century’s most influential philosophers dissecting and assessing a movement that changed the course of history. These Mellon lectures were delivered in Washington in 1965.
00:00 Hamann & Others
29:10 Herder
#Philosophy #Romanticism #IsaiahBerlin

[@jakecarlo9950]

My god this is good. I don’t mind being so corny as to tell P.O. how genuinely important to my basic sanity, and hopes even, this channel has become. Your work is outstanding and to me at least crucial. Thanks, keep ‘er going.

[@evinnra2779]

Just wishing that all who aspired to create a global community of mankind would hear this lecture first. One can not govern what one can not understand, and to understand is to allow for the freedom of that , which is governed.

[@clumsydad7158]

Herder's concept (via Hamann) of the integral nature of culture/language to meaning anticipates Wittgenstein's ultimate conclusion that meaning only exists temporally within language/cultures by those using it, and can only be understood to have meaning inside its own specific milieu/context

[@Myndir]

Yes. The parallel between Herder's idea of organically developed social artifacts and the ideas of Adam Ferguson is also interesting. Ferguson argued that society was the product of human action but not human design. Hence, the social order has a natural (not divine) origin, but there was no Solon or Hammurabi who was the originator of society.

[@clumsydad7158]

@@Myndir that is interesting, i'll have to take a look at Ferguson. something I found recently are the thoughts of Pierre Klossowski, on unconscious drives shaping social reality, and even that "economic production is a mechanism of the psychic production of desires" ... much to ponder

[@user-we2qv1cx6x]

Very interesting. Went much deeper into a subject that had caught my eye previously. I found Hamann through Kierkegaard, who I read often.

[@joenobody8997]

So good💕

[@rustyshimstock8653]

Magnificent!

[@Gorboduc]

Checking dates it seems Rousseau was ahead of Hamann by a nose:
Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality 1755
Hamann's religious conversion 1758
Hamann's Socratic Memorabilia 1759
Hamann's Aesthetics In A Nutshell 1760
Rousseau's Julie 1761
Rousseau's Emile 1762
Who made the first splash among the cognoscenti is a different question...

[@jmcknight00]

Not sure why this is relevant since Berlin interprets Rousseau as Rationalist (not Romantic).

[@clumsydad7158]

fun and brilliant ... love german idealism, and all the 'spirit' of such missing in today's world

[@firstal3799]

German idealism is the stupidest philosophy invented

[@thallesvinicius2729]

38:34---A partir daí, certas conclusões românticas se seguem

[@thallesvinicius2729]

41:12----Isso veio a ser, portanto, o início de toda a noção de
historicismo

[@LuigiSimoncini]

Fantastic lecture. Luckily there’s his book to follow along the speech because Berlin bumbles at times

[@thallesvinicius2729]

27:47-----No entanto, houve dois homens que foram,
em minha opinião, os verdadeiros pais do Romantismo.

[@thallesvinicius2729]

23:12----Se examinarmos as peças teatrais

[@thallesvinicius2729]

29:49

[@jdzentrist8711]

Leo Strauss & Isaiah Berlin: The Hedgehog and the Fox

[@jdzentrist8711]

But we should remember: Berlin did not mean any great theory here--he was basically just playing around. At least, that is what he claimed, after people started "taking seriously" his "essay," "The Hedgehog and the Fox."

[@OnePost909]

Berlin was fox AND hedgehog, a rare animal indeed.

[@longcastle4863]

When someone starts talking about the voice of God within a culture or a nation there needs to be a spaghetti-armed creature emerging from the corners going danger danger.

[@firstal3799]

Reading too much into things. Not everyone is aware of thinks of Universe as a whole. Or in a 'system ' fashion.

[@urrescos]

Romansticism as reliigous crap.

[@thallesvinicius2729]

25:18