Celebs Don't Owe You 💩...but Politicians do | Khadija Mbowe
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Oooh! On the 1st I got it!
Question if we all help fund you again will you consider putting it on again? Cause I really wanted to see it, but I've been sick all this past summer. Was gonna plan to drive up from California and everything. But yeah, if not that, did y'all film the whole thing or any parts if it andbif so, are those on your Patreon or something/somewhere?
Oh , okay, you answered my question at the end of the video, so yes that is what you're trying to do...I made that first comment before I watched the video all the way through
People deadass expect more from celebrities than actual policymakers and it genuinely makes me hate election season
They had celebrities shoved down their throats all through the 80s/2000s. We were raised to look up to them when in honesty, they are just as lost as we are if they aren't apart of shady mess.
@@quwandathorntonhonestly some celebrities are extremely detached. i would never take political advice from someone like kylie jenner or beyoncé who doesn’t have to worry about or even know things like how much a gallon of milk costs.
That's the inevitable state of viewing policymakers as "someone to beat the side i don't like" rather than as "someone who believes what i believe" tbh. Which I'd argue is a result of the two party system. Dems in particular weaponize this as "I'm not that Republican so vote for me" and the general consensus isn't "what are your policies" it's "oh my god we need to stop the republicans."
@@d1gitalsonderyeah, especially when no matter who gets chosen, these celebs will not be first in line to suffer from policy changes. They can still live relatively in their same bubble as long as they have a standing
I"m from the same city area Chappell Roan is from. Springfield has a lot of homelessness and other systemic issues like a lot of cities. I was one of those homeless people. I almost died out there. Roan is right. People need to become informed and vote on local issues. Our city is choosing to ignore plans that have worked to reduce homelessness in other cities and keep saying it should be the church's responsiblity. Some churches step up but that's not the point. City officials look the other way when one church is caught on tape vandalizing another church's property because that church has been "attracting homeless people" due to its outreach programs. Most just practice the same discrimination every other institution does within this city against homeless, queers and other marginalized folks. I understand deeply why she said what she said.
oh and shoutout to Green county public library staff. They carry the tired and the poor and the hate-crimed of this town daily. They see it all. And they make a safe space the best they can despite continual challenges in the form of book bans, parental protests, pay cuts and layoffs, etc.
Everything you just said! I moved out about a year ago and one of the most aggravating things was how much the city collectively worked to ignore the unhoused population. The Springfield PD and city council were especially evil about it. When I first heard what Chappell said about not endorsing Kamala, frankly, my immediate reaction was “She knows what’s up”
all this idealistic young lib thinking bernie-or-bust all-or-nothing mentality is why right wing keeps winning.
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@@PenelopeAstonyFuck Ted Wheeler so much. All of this plus the giant boulders they are putting in any camp able spot after doing a sweep. It is especially infuriating because we have had successful programs in pdx that were cut anyway. And they never actually take the stuff away after they trash the camps. My neighborhood is full of smashed tents and ruined sleeping bags amd other gear that the cops amd sweeper crews just destroy to make unusable and then leave in piles that wind up in the street and eventually my yard. At least when it was a camp I knew my neighbors more or less and the trash was somewhat manageable after the city took away the dumpsters from
covid lockdown.
Chappell Roan is literally fundraising for Palestine at EVERY tour stop. She speaks about trans and queer advocacy in basically every interview. How tf did anyone think she was voting for trump
bcus blue maga and libs don’t have imagination
they cant fathom the idea of someone criticizing democrats from the left
Idk, there's plenty of queer people that have and continue to vote for trump, it's not really a case of "if trans/queer you HAVE to vote X" because believe it or not, queer people are still human beings that worry about lots of different things.
There's plenty to be said of wanting to be on trumps side, solely because you're afraid of world war 3. I do not trust Kamala to defuse a World War, but I expect the ruthless businessman to be able to come up with trade discussions that discourages war, because whether you like it or not, we have to be nice to the bad people so they don't bl*w everyone up. I don't see Kamala having a discussion with Putin.
Blame misinformed neolibs and conservatives for the hate and those ass assumptions.
i liked her before, for standing up for herself, but i didn't really know about about her activism, i like her even more now.
not my kind of music tho, so i suspect if you don't go to her tour or listen to her interviews, it's easy to miss.
I honestly agree that celebs should encourage people to vote but that’s it. A if you can vote please do, voting is important statement is enough for me
For real. A lot of Americans don't vote just on principle.
Since October 7, the United States has sent Israel over 18 billion dollars for their military. That equals over 52 million dollars per day.
@@utopiancast yes. This is what people should be questioning, honestly
i love chappell roan,the only thing she said is voting ≠ endorsing,people need reading comprehasion and media literacy,shes right for demanding more out of politicians
I appreciate she also said to vote local. It's not enough to just demand chance at a federal level (I see that here in Australia too). It's not enough to just be politically active every 4 years. Change happens from the ground up and we won't see change with our leaders til we can fix our local communities first
Politics is about winning elections, not reading comprehension or media literacy. You only need two words, "Vote Harris."
Voting is endorsing. If you vote for a candidate, probably want them to win, you probably think other people should vote for them so that they win. If you were to be asked "do you think other people should vote for this candidate you are voting for?" the answer is like 95% going to be a yes. Endorsing is just saying "hey, vote for person x". Chappell said she is voting for Kamala so she gave Kamala her endorsement, but wanted to caveat it with all of these things which unfortunately in a two-party winner-takes-all system don't matter... Endorsing has never meant that you agree with every position a candidate has, you can even think that candidate sucks, but all the endorsement means is you think that people should vote for them. That is it.
We have a really crappy choice ahead of us. Both candidates are gonna continue to allow Israel to bomb Palestine for instance. I hate that. But I will still vote for Kamala and endorse her because I know that Trump will send weapons to Israel, AND potentially end democracy, AND probably take away the rights of a bunch or marginalized communities, AND lead republicans to even more terrible abortion restrictions.
The lesser of two evils is all we have at the moment. Chappell as someone with a platform should throw her weight behind getting that lesser evil elected. Of course she does not have to, but her platform absolutely has power, and it is up to her to decide how to use it.
nuance doesn't exist on the internet. she had to talk to her own fanbase like they were babies so they'd understand to not harass her
you really think people get the nuance between endorsing and voting? of course not
@@incog.nyto. they are the same thing essentially just slightly different in that endorsing is just saying out loud who you are voting for/think people should vote for. If a person with like millions of people following them says “I’m voting for Kamala” even if that just affects how 10 people were going to vote that still was and example of an influential endorsement.
Chappell did say this. In her video she said she is voting for Kamala, and that she absolutely does not like Trump. There it is. That’s an endorsement for Kamala. You don’t have to agree with all of the policies of someone you endorse them and you don’t have to say “I endorse this person” to endorse them.
I just don’t understand why she didn’t just say “Vote for Kamala” she basically ended up saying it anyways but said it so poorly that now she’s in a ton of controversy.
Nothing frustrates me more than than people not demanding shit from their elected officials.
Call a legislator. Any office. Ask whoever picks up the phone if they get angry calls from constituents. You are making a sweeping statement. Back it up. If you can.
ESPECIALLY local. We need to write our congresspeople & senators, *but* also we need to actually vote in our local elections. Work, but worth it.
Chappell motto is basically: "I'm voting for Kamala Harris bc the other option is Trump not bc I suport her" and honestly i respect that and agree
That is an endorsement for Kamala. She should have just told people, "go vote for Kamala"
It's dumb, though, because as an LGBT person you shouldn't be supporting any Republican not just Trump, because most if not all, republican politicians are trying to roll back LGBT rights so it shouldn't be I'm only voting for Kamala because she is not Trump it should be im only voting democrat because the republicans are raging war against us.
@@shizz3907oh my god. Shut up
@@shizz3907 why? why can’t she say that she has problems w kamala too
@@shizz3907 I think is more of a grey area, I mean yeah at the end of the day she and many people are still voting for Kamala but just say "oh vote for her cause she is amazing" is dishonest considering she cleary supports War crimin.... I mean Israeli Government
I just... I also don't understand our obsession with propping people up in preparation for the mob. People even predicted this when her hype really skyrocketed suddenly, but it's hard not to feel like we're not constantly setting people up to fail in public view, for the satisfaction of dissecting them afterwards. It's hard for me to see the idolization as separate from the bloodthirst that tends to follow.
Like we as a society cannot tolerate or abide by someone being widely beloved, but we also can't help constantly picking people to put in that position? I don't know. It feels weird. Maybe that's the part of me that grew up in the tabloid era though. It stops feeling like a coincidence. I wonder if it's the super antisocial individualist parts of our culture clashing with collective loneliness.
This thought isn't even really about Chappell for me. But it's just surreal every time you watch the degree of magnifying lens on someone change in real time.
I'm reminded of the Rachel Zegler 2022 interview, which people didn't see until 2023. Any time a new person rises to the top pretty fast. It can happen so incredibly fast, that the minute when, they say they don't have all the answers, people just freak out.
I do think there are going to be more issues as a new generation of celebrities comes up who are used to being very online. You're just not going to get the same reception outside of your niche fandom. You can't operate the same way and expect your words and actions to be received just as charitably as when you were an anonymous teen or when you were only speaking to your fans.
This whole situation just felt like an extension of her being public enemy no. 1 rn. Like who genuinely thought she was voting for trump?
Not many people. But she's clearly capable of being direct and honest and saying something more helpful like "This election is important to me, I'm voting for Harris, and I think you should too." The right-wingers are screaming as loud as they can, they want to win. Liberals sound fine with losing when they don't actually say "hey, I want to win this."
@@perfectallycromulent why are you literally replying to every comment
@@modanislove idk people just don’t seem to understand how political endorsements work. @perfectallycromulent is completely right. Chappell obviously wants Kamala to win she said she is going to vote for her and that she hates Trump. She gave her endorsement to Kamala while saying she’s not endorsing Kamala. So why caveat that with all this other stuff that might actually encourage some people just decide to sit this election out? Which, young people especially absolutely do. Chappell and the people defending her just don’t really get how this whole thing works like you gotta be in it to win it. Taylor when she endorsed Kamala gave absolutely no qualifications and didn’t do the both sides thing even though she probably feels similarly to Chappell. Why? Because Taylor has been famous for a long time has a good PR sense and a good team behind her and knows what she’s doing. Chappell very clearly does not. Like I just thought her TikTok was incoherent
@@perfectallycromulent???? The people who would vote for trump will not listen to a queer woman artist who props up drag queens. So why does she have to state to vote for kamala? Why does she have to endorse her? Why are you looking for a pop singer for politics
What I understood is that people (at least in the takes my algorithms were feeding me lol) interpreted the relatively indirect, incomplete quote as "not voting for Harris", instead of not endorsing, and therefore the possibility of her going third party (which is what some people were and are considering, and essentially is giving T a vote, imo). Not that she would vote for him directly.
But idk, that's what I personally understood from them. And I'm not in the US, so I definitely am not seeing the "full discourse".
I mean, who doesn’t relate to Chappell Roan’s “I’m done” Energy?
WE DO NOT WANT some documentary or piece about how we did yet another female artist wrong. We have to be and do beyond ‘better’?
that last part. people are taking so much joy in tearing women down over and over again and then they'll look back on it in a podcast and go 'oh no how did they let this happen, we're so progressive now 😇'
THANK YOU! sometimes i feel insane looking at people i know who are being so supportive to britney spears and claiming that she's been through enough only to turn around and start doing the same shit the public did to britney to some new female celebrity like....why are we eating our own??? i thought girls were supposed to support girls???
it’s scary exhibiting any bit of nuance or opinion that takes critical thinking skills to understand is immediately painted as blasphemous or morally wrong by those who are purposely misunderstanding it. saying both parties have problems is not favoring either in any way nor is it a crazy opinion. personally i find it difficult to trust ANY politician as they all have their own personal & financial motives that come before citizens needs & wants.
You know conflating celebrity and public service is a problem when the right/centrists voted for one in 2016. How people stay confused on this point is beyond me sometimes
This Khadija variant look they just got off a long ass trip driving they semi truck across the prairies.
Mind you the same people who are piling on her now are the same ones who were saying celebrities shouldn't talk about politics when people were asking they speak up about a genocide
Oooh damn that's also so real
She told no lies! Actually learn and research about politicians and their policies instead of just going by a celebrity's choice/opinion...Use your brain, sweetie👌🏿🙃💃🏿
Nah, this is an election, it's about winning or losing. Just tell people to vote for the person you want to win. Saying things like "do the research and think about it" just sounds weak. And people are lazy. They're not gonna do that.
@@perfectallycromulent By all means, just go with whoever your favorite celebrity wants BUT don't be complainin bout it later🥴👌🏿💃🏿
@@perfectallycromulentwhy do u view elections like a sports game of winning and losing? that you have to pick a side and be uncritically in allegiance to it? politicians work for you and you have every right to express disappointment with them. that’s the whole point of democracy-if you don’t demand more you will never get more
@@perfectallycromulentso. don’t research politics don’t even ENCOURAGE looking into politics just shut up and vote for who the famous people tell you to. thank god democracy is saved with friends like these who even needs enemies
@@perfectallycromulent What a strange take
I found that Chappell was also very obvious in what she meant when she made her initial statement. The fact that some people took it as her being a republican or endorsing trump felt like willfully misconstruing her words. Ethel Cain's tumblr posts summed it up pretty perfectly!
SHE WAS RIGHT, FULL STOP
Love your point that there's a difference in the responsibilities between 'public figure' and 'public servant'.
Y’all yell at artists all the time about “we got you where you are, you have to do this for us”, but politicians literal entire job description is “serving the interests and needs of the public and voter base that supported them”. If there’s anyone who literally got to where they are because of their supporters and is required by description to actually listen to what you say or want them to do it’s politicians. Begging y’all to carry that energy there instead
People need to take allll this energy and start demanding things they need from their elected officials. Celebrities are just that… they celebrities. Sure if you have a platform and WANT to use it for a cause, by all means, do so. But it’s not their job. Quite literally, not their job. Meanwhile we got elected officials, people running for office that need their feet held to the fire and they need to give us some solid plans on policy because stuff is crazy out here and I don’t hear anybody using this energy towards the people who want their vote! 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Yes!!!!!
saw someone say on threads that Chappel said "both candidates are equally bad" and hows nows not the time for that. And im just like, where did she say equally? Putting whole words in peoples mouths and getting mad
Well, there's the problem. You're expecting people to be accurate and reasonable in a dangerous poliitical situation. So is Roan. But this is not gonna happen. That's not the way people think about this. So you and she and everyone else need watch what you say, because emotional people are listening to you, not reasonable people.
@@perfectallycromulent at a certain point you need to learn to ignore the sensitive hypocrites and the cowards to do anything worthwhile t b h.
Both sides have problems is a crazy reductive statement and I'm stunned at the amount of people who don't get that. If she'd said I'm still voting for Kamala despite problems on one sides bc one side is clearly worse, fine. That's not what she said. So then she shouldn't have spoken at all.
I mean she may not have said that but i believe theyre goth bad. The only difference in them is what them winning emboldens in the public. No one has to agree with me on that but still
@@skyetranqille9534 I believe she did make a video saying that, clearing up the vague tweet
Okay, on the one hand, I appreciate you speaking on how important it is for people to get involved with their voting, and to take this seriously, because of the stakes that are involved. With that being said, while I on the one hand understand how a celebrity does not owe anyone anything in terms of their platform and their endorsements, I hope it is equally understood that fans can choose to no longer support that celebrity and their work if they feel that is what is necessary for them to do you personally. Fans and subsequently consumers do not owe celebrities in entertainment creators their money or viewership. If they don't like what a celebrity has to say, and they don't like their stances on things, they do have the right to no longer support that celebrity. Just as much as the celebrity owes the fans nothing, the fans of the celebrity nothing. It is an even exchange between the two.
I think a lot of kids don't understand that liberals and leftists are different. I've seen criticism of her that because she won't endorse she must be a secret republican! Cuz her uncle is a republican. Like most of us from red states don't have republican uncles.
I feel like Olay said it best. Pick the people you think you can influence the most in politics. Dems usually are easier to push. At this point in the election cycle, we can't select a further left candidate. You can possible push your influence at lower levels.
planning to push dems to the left while giving them your vote no matter what they do will always give us policies right of ronald reagan. every time. damn, i feel old
I get that a celebrity endorsement can convince their fans to vote for someone. But if you’re really only voting because a celeb told you to then that’s kinda dumb, right? Actually research the issues and shit. Or just listen to any Trump speech, that should convince anyone with a brain that he needs to be kept out of office.
sadly those people just aren’t critical thinkers
I feel like with the rise of parasocial relationships, people have gotten too comfortable with being able to demand personal information from celebrities. It is not only limited to western musicals like Chappell. I have noticed even in the kpop industry many people give idols unnecessary hate, like for example an idol posted a picture drinking Starbucks with the logo showing (kpop idols are prone to cover logos so if one is shown it is most likely sponsored) I understand that we are boycotting Starbucks because it is a terrible company but i think many failed to realise that since it was sponsored it was most likely the company that approved the post. It is easier for fans to blame the individual not the institution behind them that result in them doing does things, I do think everyone should be held accountable but it makes not sense that people would blame Chappell roan even though we all know that kamala is openly pro-israel and I think people need to focus more on the people who are creating and/or operating the very system that oppressed them or in the idol case control them.
Bingo
Ive been fighting for my life on tiktok comments saying this exact sentiment!!! Politicians/Government authorities are the Public servants NOT celebrities! If we held this much accountability to our politicians as ppl did chapell roan or any other artist i genuinely think things would be different. Democracy cant exist without accountability.
The only way to get politicians to support what you want is to create leverage and then use that leverage to force the politicians to support certain issues. If you tell them you will always fall in line there is absolutely no reason for them to listen. You have to be willing to withhold your vote.
The thing is, whether every person votes or 4 people vote, someone still gets elected. Withholding your vote isn't a statement. We need to vote SMALL.
Vote for your school board, sherrifs, prosecutor, coroner, judges, city comptroller, attorney general, mayor, governor, etc.
That's how you create leverage against the bigger players in capitol hill
@@Mila-Rosa I think OP means withholding by not stating which party you’re “endorsing,” and providing criticism to all parties, even the ones you’re considering voting for. Not withholding as in not participating at all.
@@Mila-Rosa But definitely agree on voting locally! To me it is more important than the presidential elections and they happen more often.
@@Mila-Rosa voting isn't enough, and you're fundamentally misunderstanding the leverage of an undecided voter. if a ballot box sits at 5-4 and 2 people say they're witholding their vote for the trailing candidate until that candidate promises to meet their demands, those two undecided voters have the leverage to decide the election. it's up to _the candidate_ to change their strategy to court those voters. how many people vote for them is _the candidate's_ responsibility, not the voters'. Someone gets elected either way, but which person gets elected depends on how many people turn out, and which people turn out is dependent on whether a candidate exists who represents what they feel is most important. if one of the candidates is marginally better than the other, but still fails on account of not meeting their constituents' demands, they have failed all on their own. they shouldn't be surprised if they lose, and nobody should be blamed but them.
Every time this comes up I'm reminded of the legendary quote:
"Who gives af what Ja Rule thinks at a time like this?"
The thing about celebrity culture is that it was deliberately designed to be distracting towards the general issues that come within the political spectrum. So when it comes to people who are seemingly benefiting from the glitz and glamor of the Hollywood landscape (in this case, Chappell Roan) and using their platform to exact their gripes with the poltical landscape, the two worlds end up merging in a way that showcases that these celebrities do have some sway. We all have some sway. And if we colectively come together to use our sway to it's advantage, we can get these damn politicians to do what we need them to do. At least, that's how I see it.
I will never get over the fact that people started cancelling random mostly female celebrities because of Israel-Palestinian situation and didn't even look at our local politicians and tried criticizing them instead.
Imagine holding Musicians more socially responsible than Politicians.
(Or yourself for that matter🤦🏻♀️)
Chappe Roan cuz she stay taking those L’s 😔
I’m not crazy about her music, I think it’s kinda mid, so I’m not a Stan. But I really admire and respect how opinionated and bold she is. She said nothing wrong, this dogpilling of Chappell Roan is ridiculous.
she's right, though. voters should pay attention to who is running in their home towns. so many of these local officials have more power than you think and use it to profit themselves and their ideologies. have you been noticing all the things going wrong in your local school boards, election offices, county clerk offices, sheriffs departments, utility boards. ALL of these local offices need truthful, reliable, moral people in them.
I think a lot of it could be jealousy, and zionists who are just looking for a reason to tear her down. One comments section looked like it was mostly bots, and most all of the comments here are supporting her.
Honestly i didnt have an opinion of Chapell Roan before but after seeing all the controversies and WHY she has been in all of them, she's one of the realest artists out there and I am impressed by how unapologetically hers she is. Its sad that people can be so obtuse while pretending to be politically aware
Artists and stars are not activist and consuming art is not activism.
If you care about an issue don't come after pop stars. Go after the actual people responsible.
i dont understand how some people are more comfortable pressuring celebrities into changing than they are willing to pressure politicians to change. we Should be pressuring politicians. celebrities are just people. politicians are the people who control our countries, our states and provinces, our cities, our towns. our roads, public parks, schools. rent prices, grocery prices, and almost everything else you can think of. celebrities cant do any of that.
2:35 EXACTLY, and we need to start treating the Democrats the SAME way!
There's a thin line between an admirer and a fanatic.
Something that's missing from this is how cult of personality has infiltrated American politics and how it influences how people engage with it. It's happening in Europe but these things usually take a few years. Especially how the Harris campaign has used brat summer and internet culture to market itself. Which although I see the fun in it is actually pretty concerning.
This shift has been happening for a while, instead of trying to win voters on policy. The personality attached to it seems more important. I think most scary is that most don't seem to care about what those policies include, what matters is how you make the voter feel, the vibe they get from you.
I'm here for the philosiphal high ramblings. xD
Something that Olay says that I really, really like is that the government is fundamentally resistant to the people and politicians are the enemy of the people and so voting is simply choosing your enemy. Do you want your enemy to be Trump or do you want your enemy to be Harris? Who would be easier to pressure into achieving your goals?
The title alone is worth a like. 👍
Like Katya says: Expectations are just premeditated resentments. So expecting shit of celebs who dont know you exist is wild.
Chappel gained more respect from me after her comments. Maybe “both sides” was one of the worst choices of words, but I have critical thinking skills and knew exactly what she meant. Her clarifying comment was all I needed. I hope she can be the first actual leftist pop star. Leftism should be POP.
Reading comprehension is so rare nowadays, I wish more people were more like you
_This person is brilliant at A._
_Therefore they're right abt B._
OBV FALLACY but here we are. Reminders to register & get involved are *great*, but yeah JFC.
Exactly. I think people got triggered by her wording because a lot of "secret right wingers" DO use those phrases, and she didn't specify the first time that she was coming from a leftist perspective. I didn't have to wait at all for that clarifying statement because I only heard about it through a video that showed both (all?) of her videos one after the other, but even then I was somewhat uneasy until she mentioned Palestine. My mind was mostly "oohhh girl you gotta be more specific than that", defaulting to the assumption that she was a leftist based on a vibe check, with a side of "wait but what if she is actually a centrist tho" because she *wasn't saying the thing.* People wanna know if you're on their side.
God if only people redirected all those feelings of entitlement and control from celebrities to politicians, we might actually start getting stuff done. Its politicians that need to be pressured to do the right thing, not random celebs with no political power
I as just about to comment that people should listen to the Stan episode of Matt Bernsteins podcast when you literally brought up the same points. I do think it adds to what you are saying though
I find it wild people saw a purposefully not full quote of her's on twitter and fell for the rage bait.😭 And then continued to misunderstand her if they didn't switch up after they heard everything she said. I agree that celebrities views and opinions matter only because everyone's views and opinions matter because they affect all of us. That's why I wish between each election year there was more focus on organizing to make third party a more likely option. But sometimes I think this and wonder if I'm being too naive or optimistic, but at this point I have to always be hopeful and optimistic.
Considering Roan's advocacy work and fundraising she does (don't know how kind yt is to certain terms) is enough to *show* me (not just tell me) her values are more aligned with the worldwide version of the Left rather than the Dems. Which puts her soooo far from Republicans, it's baffling how the mildest critique of Dems is seen as wholesale endorsement of their 'enemy'. Both parties are bought and sold by major corporations, both parties are staunch in the current foreign policy, both parties are moving the Overton window rightward. One is worse, yes, but picking the lesser of two evils is still picking an evil.
I'm going to be voting, because I can and it's the bare minimum I can do, but that's not where the work of politics ends. Building a better world isn't something you vote in. Building is a verb, and a very active one at that.
Can we talk more about how big money is controlling all these popularity contest cycles to the effect of increasing corporate blight?
By the way, we have the republican party to thank for making a basic line like "register to vote" into a democratic/leftist/communist dog whistle. Basic decency is being slow cooked away.
I don't indulge in celebrity worship and I'd like to think I keep my parasocial relationships to a minimum. For me, expectations on celebs I like are just the same expectations I have for all people: be informed, try to be a good person, stand on your beliefs. That's not your job as a famous person, that's just your job as a human being. I'm just as disappointed in all the Neil Gaiman stuff coming out as I would be if it were one of my coworkers. I don't have any right to make them do what I want about it. My right starts and ends with expressing how I feel about it, and choosing to disengage if I so feel the need.
Khadija...ur so freaking intelligent and thorough with your content...and my lazy ass thrives off your educational research 😂 feed it to me baby! Finally an educated perspective on pop culture 👏 🙌 ❤
just in general for expecting politics from celebrities (not specially Chappell Roan because she has been so political like idk what people want from her), if you want to follow a political celebrity, they exist. political art exists. political artists exist. go follow them for political art if that's what you're looking for. I don't understand demanding it from someone who's just not giving it.
The world would improve if people focused more on actively helping the environment and getting involved in their communities rather than criticizing others to do the bare minimum.
I honestly wish we stopped focusing on what celebrities are saying just because they're celebrities and focused instead on conversations for the sake of having them. Chappel is famous now so everytime she says something controversial I hear about it from the same handful of commentary channels. Shes just another person, why do all of her takes have to be a big deal
Full agree on the celebrity in place of an actual religion theory. Ive thought of that before in stan spaces (the "do it for him" meme feels too close to catholicism for comfort), people get so intense over a real person they know nothing about and that has the capacity to make choices they disagree with. At least jesus is already dead and doesnt have to read twitter comments, but a lot of modern idols have to deal with it (and their supporters also have to deal with the eventual disappointment, sigh)
TRUTH WAS SPAKE…but then again, what else are we for? Oh yes, opera. And hairstyles.
While I have my own issues with her saying this at this point in the election she doesn't OWE us anything, and we should be throwing this energy at politicians all the way. It sucks how she had to cancel over this.
Its crazy how 'Liberal' people bully people for not having the exact same thoughts
it would be extremely niche but maybe celebrities should hype up local politicians they like too if they want lol i feel like itd say a lot more than a presidential endorsement tbh
EXACTLY if only ppl would hold their representatives to account like they do these artists!
She LITERALLY said she is voting for Kamala
I genuinely think Chapelle's statement is a much more healthy message to young voters over a long-term period. But also to anyone who is reading. Yes vote, political disengagement during elections is ultimately harmful. But remember, real social change will never be achieved by just going out and casting a vote every 4 years. So if you feel frustrated by the state of American politics, its healthier (and more positive) to stop arguing with people online (no one changes their mind), and get active in your local community.
I helped get abortions banned in my state so I fully agree with you. Its easier to get what you want with local politics.
Haven't gotten deep into the video yet, but I'm surprised people are angry at Chappell for not wanting to use her platform to endorse Harris. Chappell has been vocal about supporting Palestinians, and Harris is an "I unequivocally stand by Israel" girly which is pretty gross to say the least. I'm gonna vote for Harris, but if she loses this election it won't be the fault of celebrities like Roan for not endorsing her. It'll be her own fault for not doing what she needs to in order to EARN people's votes, including not doing everything in her power to prevent thousands of innocents from dying.
You put what I have been thinking into words
Ppl miss the point that it's about choosing the lesser of two evils
1:09 I would've prefered that, but then again, that could just be me being SUPER Pro-Palestine! 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🇵🇸🇵🇸
Yup, all this. I empathize with Chapell's position, and if I were her, I'd think (and say) the same thing really (I mean, I am nowhere under the Queer Umbrella, but for the rest of it I feel almost the exact same as she does).
In the end, while celebs might wield more power in social influence, they are still _private_ citizens _just like us_ , and one should really not turn to them when demanding anything political to be done (that's what politicians are for lmaosob 💀).
Anyhow I hope Chapell is doing okay rn, somebody's got to help her adjust to her newfound circumstances...
This is everything I've been feeling about the situation but expressed far better than I could ever. Your point about not bothering with the right is so true. When people say, why don't you call for Trump to do that? Why would I? I know Trump and all Republicans are heinous, but there is at least potential for Democrats to be better. Thank you Khadija!
I just like you automatically, I’m from South Africa so not directly affected but still affected by and I appreciated how all rounded this chat is.
I think a big part of the issue is the fact that we keep asking these celebrities their opinions on politics. They should not be heralded as the sole authority of how the rest of us should vote or who to support. The public should be able to do our own research and make informed decisions by ourselves. The fact of the matter is celebrity worship just keeps creating this cycle where we over analyze everything anyone famous says then get upset when they have the audacity to say something ignorant or that we don’t like. This whole situation just makes me thing of the Janet Jackson situation as well, with her commenting on Kamala’s racial background. I get why so many people were pissed at her for saying that but also her brother just died and Janet Jackson is literally just some woman. She’s certainly not above saying ignorant or untrue things and I’m not sure why we have this expectation that celebrities are just these perfect, all-knowing, gods. This culture of celebrity worship needs to stop. You shouldn’t need Taylor Swift to tell you why the stakes of this election are so high. It’s not her job and it’s not the job of any celebrity.
Reading comprehension and making assumptions off perceived bias are completely different things, and I’m so confused why they continue to be equated in this conversation
5:45 i think a big problem is people want celebs to talk about and understand their issues when some celebs have surpassed a certain point of wealth and power to the point they don’t experience the same issues as their fans. i can’t expect an a list celebrity with a multibillion dollar net worth to understand my issues as a lower class average person. i would never even cross paths with said celeb because our tax brackets are so incredibly far apart.
People will take all this energy to tear down someone for not "doing enough," yet they themselves don't have any plans to protest or call their representatives.
A core part of democracy is using the power of your vote to pressure politicians! Otherwise how are you supposed to have your interests and needs represented? It breaks my heart to see so many voters completely miss the power they have in the constituent/politician relationship
“public creative, not public servant” is SO REAL oh my god
ya know what it reminds me of? investment mentality. like fans feel like they've invested time and money into artists and feel entitled to them conforming to their beliefs, like a form of ownership.
I feel like you speak exactly what’s on my mind. Couldn’t agree more!!
Holy 💩 Khadija don’t miss!!! Thanks for the great video.
khadija why are your high ramblings so coherent. wtf
Khadija Targareyn back with another banger🫰🏾🫰🏾🫰🏾
Thank you for this video, I missed your content 😊😊😊
Can I just say I love your hair it’s the perfect cut in the perfect length. It’s very chic I live.
I barely know who Chappell Roan is, but finding out she said this increases my respect for her. No, you shouldn't vote for someone just because a celebrity told you to. You should do the research to make an informed decision about which candidate best fits your values. Also, I like that she mentioned paying attention to the smaller races, too, because those are also happening at the same time and potentially have way more impact on someone's daily life than the presidential election does, especially since in the U.S. states can have wildly different laws on certain issues. Plus this year all 435 U.S. Representatives and 1/3 of U.S. Senators are on the ballot, and the laws aren't even getting to the president for them to sign if they don't get through Congress first!
I personally am a big believer in voting and I know that women didn't always have that right earlier in history. It blows my mind that there are women out there wanting to give up their right to vote when there was a British suffragette who threw herself in front of a racehorse and was trampled to death because she believed that strongly in obtaining female suffrage.
Thank you for always talkin' sense ❤
VERY true! A lot of folks who don't have amazing role models / leaders look to pop culture for a parental figure which is unfair for everyone involved. Great vid homie :)
Love you Georgeous Khadija💙
I was 26 in 2016. The same age that she is now. Trump has been a "politician" for the majority of my adult life.
Occasionally, acquaintances who don't know me that well will ask me if I support Trump, and I just get this "wtf no" look on my face. Because every ideal that I have is antithetical to him, so it wouldn't even occur to me to vocally condemn him.
And I get it, some people are sneaky. But her entire public persona is drag, one of the major things conservatives have been trying to fight for the last five years. Most of her songs are about pining for other women. I can understand why it wouldn't even occur to her to say "f*ck trump." Anyone who's paying attention could already intuit that.
all of this! people need to understand that voting for people is where we get to hire and fire the people who work for us. We are in charge and yes they are here to serve us! when they lose that plot they got to go!
governor parson actively chose to ignore 1.5 million Americans and community leaders, and proceeded with the execution of Marcellus Williams. I don't think American democracy is that simple, sorry
This video is so real cus theres so many people that think you can't vote and be critical of who you're voting for and try to reinforce that rhetoric. ^^
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“You shouldn’t worship false idols”
- me liking the video 3 seconds in
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0:45 she was right... on THAT!
Thank you for NUANCE and CRITICAL THINKING and EMPATHY. I love miss taylor and I’m glad she endorsed Kamala but whew the DEMAND for her to endorse was…. certainly something.
14:16 Chappell Roan still didn't reach this level of insight on her third pass.
5:00 As someone who been out organizing none stop since the last couple years of the Obama administration on labor rights, policing and environmental issues, the last 4 years makes me very hesitant to believe that. Despite party colors and performative speeches, the Biden/Harris administration has functionally been awful for activist. The surplus in policing and red tape hidden behind soothing words.
I miss the old outro music 🫶🏿
I’ve been struggling with the idea of who i’ll vote for bc although I would never vote conservative, I don’t want to support Harris. Being from California, I feel that I could use my vote to support a third party and not disrupt the election too much but still make a point. If I was from a swing state then my feelings would be different.
imagine if people use all this energy going after celebrities to go after politicians