Pablo Horteg battlefield 1 is far more casual BECAUSE of how bare bones it is. There is so little in the way of things to use that everyone has the same things and levels the field for everyone. Skill plays a VERY small part in it if you already know how to play AAA shooters.
And the suppression in BF1 is more of a joke than its ever been. Also you guys talk about the gadgets etc in the past BF's but the thing that makes this BF more casual is the gunplay, no skilled vehicle play and so on.
Battlefield is all about the team play AND (in my opinion) about big scaled battles... That's why I like battlefield, you are 32-64 on a huge map, battling, fighting on A maybe but then going on B fighting different squads of people with different gameplays... As long as E-sport is stuck on a 5v5 lvl Battlefield is not the game to play in competition... Maybe one day we will have e-sports team with 32v32 people with a guy giving orders to the squads leaders, giving then to the squad members... like a commander would do on a real battlefield... but until then I don't see Battlefield as a competitiv game on a 5v5 scale. that's just nonsense and deny of the "true" orientation of the game... this might not be the common opinion but that's my point of view! Thanks westie for the news tho! I just joined twitter back in order to follow your news ! (sadly I wasn't there when you gave 100 beta keys for ghost recon :( ...) thanks again!
the most amount of team play BF has amounts to 'hey bro throw me a box' and 'hey dudes let's attack the point in groups of 5' everything else is just people enjoying the chaos that BF actually is about.
Our clan is already running comp matches. We will go public with it once we can get better server control. Right now we can't stop randoms from spawning in and ruining matches.
competitive doesn't work for battlefield because the game needs many players to shine. at least 16 vs 16. more is better. so to me it's just not the right game for esports
the game is to casual , I played it at my cousins house and was awful at first then 3 games later I got the hang of it and it seemed easy then. bf1 is amazing but this one of the huge problems of the game
We have been fighting clan battles on bf4 for years. We rented servers on Bf4 to battle other clans, organised by the hc community. but not on Bf1 yet though , the Bf1 server control is laughable. Also there's no clan support. We were hoping Bf1 would be a step forward for competitive fps but with the emphasis on pick up and play , the competitive community is getting mighty impatient. Killing hc Rush by dropping the numbers of players and no friendly tags was a mistake. hc rush and 5v5 domination were the clan driven competitions on Bf4. Fingers crossed for the big update. GW on PS4.
It's disappointing to see the community is so divided when it comes to esports. We all agree on that Battlefield is build mainly for casuals, but that does not mean it can't be competitive. Fact is Battlefield has always had a competitive community since the very beginning of the franchise. The comp. community never asked EA or DICE to change the game to make it more esports-friendly and I think this is what scares the casual community a lot. All that has been asked for, is just to build a game with more options and more choices when it comes to game-play and server settings. This way we will have a dynamic game that suits everyone's needs, hardcore, casuals, movie-makers and not least competitive players who would like to play and compete against others with similar skill and participate in offline events. When words like Battlefield and esport are mentioned in the same line might sound as a joke to some people and I really can't blame anyone for that. But believe me competition has always existed and it was freaking fun and awesome. Have you guys ever heard of dignitas? one of the biggest esport orgas in the world and have one of the best teams in csgo, Overwatch and other games. Do you know how dignitas started? It started as a competitive battlefield team years ago and now NBA team Sixers has invested into the orga and it's just so sad to see all this go away to other games and battlefield be forgotten. Esports is the future and no one can deny it, it's best to build bridges instead of walls ;)
aim-assist autorotation on the comp scene is banned normally , now the servers are still fucked so there is yet no thing to put on off but as soon dice fucktards fix the servers we will disable it
I'm really glad you made this video! As a competitive Battlefield player I think that a stand-alone Battlefield game is very neccessary to get the scene rolling for real. At the moment we have to deal with so much hate from the rest of the community so I think a stand-alone game can solve that. However the upcoming competitive events for BF1 I'm still very intrested in. Thanks for sharing!
I think what they need to do is have a smaller rush-style game mode the focuses on how many bombs you can blow up before being eliminated as you progress through levels, and then you sort of "switch sides" and they come at you and try and blow up your bombs.
Big armor, just keep your distance away from other players, pick off people in buildings or with cover. It is weak compared to the other elite classes (except for tank hunter, I do think that one is too weak) but its still better than being an infantry class. I have a lot of fun with it
No what they should do is skip that standard competitive game play have them play 20 v 20 or 30 v 30 and don't worry about keeping them on a stage or keep one squad v the other teams squad in other places I honestly think that would work and I would defiantly watch that
It's not just that, it's the fact that 32 vs 32 is simply too large to easily organize and communicate, coupled with the slow pace nature of the game being less interesting to watch then something faster which is why games like Overwatch/Counter-Strike/Rainbow Six Siege/Call of Duty/Halo have professional leagues and competitions and Battlefield doesn't and likely never will or at least not on any large scale, it actually has very little to do with it being a casual series
to make battlefield competitive you have to take the 'battlefield' out of battlefield, and that wouldn't make for the classic, large scale, exciting warfare that it is. Personally, i find playing battlefield 1 or any other battlefield 1000x more interesting than watching it.
I honestly think they should make a separate battlefield game for export is the solution. But having respawn is very weird for competitive, imagine trying to kill an enemy and all of a sudden there are three new enemies just spawning in. I don't think that makes for good competitive.
COD was not an esport and was forced into one. This hurt the fun factor of the game quite a lot and reduced the longevity and replayability of the game. Battlefield is NOT an esport and should not become one. period.
Garrett Howard A big prize pool does not mean COD is meant to be an esport. COD having non-esports focused mapdesigns would make the public game much better already.
I clearly said the game is not meant to be an esport. COD was at a much better place when they made a game for the fun public matches and not for competitive matches.
I think it would be interesting to have 32 v 32 competitive it hasn't been done before. Maybe make a competitive playlist with lots of limitations to make it more skill based consisting of conquest, rush and team deathmatch.
64 player conquest, one life per player. Enter as ranked squads. 10 minute pre-battle briefing with squad leaders only. Once a team is wiped out or the score limit(reduced) is reached, that's game. Squad roles on roids. This would create an intense, patient, and adrenaline fueled experience with plenty of esports opportunity.
I think Competitive Battlefield could be a thing with smaller teams, however the teams would attack a single objective and the team to hold it for a certain amount of time wins the match. I don't think competitive Battlefield works on full-size maps.
I wouldn't actually mind seeing competitive conquest. I know you'd need huge teams, but hypothetically I'd love to see a 32v32 competitive conquest match. Think 8 squads of 4, one spotter who isn't playing to direct the squads to attack or hold objectives. That would be a very Battlefield competitive game in my view.
I feel like a battlefield 5v5 competitive game wouldn't really be battlefield, but maybe a 12v12 version of what you were describing about Bad Company 2
Why does e sports have to be set at 5? Why can't it be 10v10 or 12v12? I mean most teams have multiple people not just 5...and most can get a team that large, so why not?
Battlefield 1 would never work as a competitive game. how would it work? 5v5 automatico users? Public matchmaking where your grouped against an enemy team with 300+ ping. If EA & DICE want a competitive game then i think they should re-invent Medal Of Honor but without the COD killstreaks.
PHENOMENAL Well i'm part of the group that represents finland in competitive matches and i can say it's easy.. 5v5 or 12v12 domination rooftops managetable by ladders are banned and so are shotguns, spot flare and automatico:D The competitive scene is there, you dont just see it
I think a good competitive mode for Battlefield 1 would be similar to Verdun's Frontline's game mode. Though with 5v5 or 10v10 squads. It wouldn't be very difficult with slight adjustments to the Operations game mode.
I still love playing BF1, and have been playing since launch. That said...I also have a life. A job, wife and 2 kids. I don't play the game every night, maybe a couple times a week. For those playing every night, releasing DLC content/map packs a little quicker would really help. Not sure why they need to spread it out over a year.
I still do not get - why "competitive" must be 5 vs 5/only infantry. I think 10 vs 10 or 15 vs 15 would be best solution for battlefield top league matches. There can be some resources oriented limitations like limited amounts of tanks respawn or smth like that to add more tactic to vehicle using, maybe a bit different spawn mechanic to add value to each player life. Why competitive is always CSGO like game?
The most casual BF game made until today. I'd love watching a eSport bf stream, but I see it very far away. BFH and BF4 were actually good, but I don't understand why they didn't implement it. BF1 is just too easy for new players, not skillfull as previous games. Still love it.
Its either a 12vs12 or 16vs16 comp play WITH vehicular gameplay or else I could just play COD or CS or something else. Simple as that. BF3 had the most potential about this and the Scene became larger until the point where players thought the game itself was dying.
Agreed Westie. The current implementation of BF1 can't be shoehorned down into something that makes sense for competitive play. Their best option would be to generate an offshoot as a F2P game for those with a BF1 license with specifically designed maps scaled down to something that works for small, squad-sized teams. Also, it's comical to read people who can't feel how the franchise continues to get more and more casual with every iteration. Obviously, the volume revenue is with the casual player base and this doesn't bode well for any even quasi-serious FPS player going forward.
What about 32 vs. 32 competitive battlefield? Remove a lot of the random stuff, and make it very skill and team based, and instead of 5 v. 5, you need a full army with leaders, subordinates, and stuff. Instead of a tight team, it would be organized more like an actual army, and each squad would be like the 5 man team from other games.
hardcore rush plays pretty awesome. Its alot more interesting than control points like onslaught/operations because the attackers or defenders don't have to be on the objective to capture/defend it. the levels just need to be condensed to more linear like bad company 2 rush. they should reduce it to9-12 people per side. squads of 3 or 4
RaptorTheMLGAce You're kidding right... this is the simplest Battlefield game yet, not that that's a bad thing, but it just isn't as deep, complex, and challenging as all former Battlefield games.
ever since bf4 came BF has become insanely casual. I miss BF3 and bfbc2 and ik its backward compatible and all that but I wish there was a remake or just a new game that has the same feel and flow
Being casual has nothing to do with being competitive. And being an eSports has nothing to do with being skill intensive. Look at games like Overwatch and CoD
there is a community claiming for a competitive support and DICE seems to ignore it !! the incentive has to start from them!!!! but it seems too far away from reality
See Westie knows, finally a bigger youtuber pointing it out. They've made this game too casual and their making it easier for the new players. Thats why people liked battlefield because you had to be skillful and you had to work to get better, now its just too easy. Their just disappointing their original players that enjoyed the game for what it was.
The reason why i play battlefield is because of the massive scale and physics. To try to change battlefield just for the sole purpose of entering the esports scene I think would ruin what makes it so different and unique. Longtime fans, myself included, hate when dice and ea try to alter the way it works to try to cater to different audiences other than its base. Remember hardline? People already complain enough about how codlike (for lack of a better term) the franchise is becoming. The reason why call of duty has been slumping hard in sales since BO2 is because they were disenfranchising their base, hence the widely negative reaction to IW. It would be a real shame to see that happen to battlefield.
I think a 12 v 12 with vehicles would be interesting and no deathmatch use rush and for vehicles one tank one plane one boat maybe but behemoths if one side is getting wrecked but your ganterneed to get one every map its just a way to make a lopsided game more interesting
Antvagu Banano Their definitely needs to be one cause I am sick and tired of having teammates who don't know what to do and really just suck while the other team gets more skilled players than mine.
Autoloading 8 is very easy to use. People don't use it because the 5 rounds restrict it to defensive play most of the time. You have to position yourself so that you will only engage 1 or maybe 2 people at a time. Great gun for small game modes but not reliable on operations and conquest unless you are running with a good squad. If you are used to playing as an aggressive recon, the Autoloading 8 should not be difficult to master.
Too casual??? Mmmmmm...I think you youtubers seem to forget that the average bf1 player plays maybe 2 hours a day after work. We dont play 8 hours a day or more so we can put a 10min headshot montage together. I think that you guys screw the normal bf1 player over by being too good and getting everything nerfed...Make a video about that.
competitive should have no matter on war based games, under that intention EA added all the weapons to all the factions, totally absurd but as is ww1 not many people seems to care, but imagine if they had choose ww2, and the japanese faction soldiers rushing with bar rifles and thompsons, american soldiers with stg44 and mp40
Two teams of 32 players, and with only one life per soldier. It could play out like Operations or Rush, but ONLY one sector. It will play out like R6 Siege --a best-out-of-three or -five gamemode. The fact each player only has one life will make for cautious --and tactical --gameplay
simply reducing player movement speed will solve everything, among with grenade spams and behemoth nerfs(the driving seats). I hope to see that on upcoming patches. BF1 is a great game, but i have no reason to play than vehicles as there is game like Day of Infamy
Hardcore battlefield can be competitive depending on the players in game from what I've experienced. There are more independent competitors in battlefield than there are "teams" or clans like in other games that are solid in the esports community already, but yeah the whole game is casual and because of the team sizes it's even more casual. I think two teams of 20, on hardcore maybe even with one to 5 lives a player could definitely be a competitive match up, and if there was a battlefield game recreated specifically to adapt towards what's popular in esports it would be even better but I definitely think the core gamemode or at least the mechanics of it shouldn't be apart of the competitive side. Personally, just like cod, core games are just not intuitive but that's my opinion because I've always shined in hardcore fps. Pro players may disagree and that's fine, but regardless I definitely think Battlefield could do good on a competitive level. Just needs more attention and more custom servers dedicated to experimenting with how it could work
Westie. I love your videos but please use a different compression for uploading to TH-cam. This 1080p 60fps footage looks closer to like 480p while moving around alot of foliage. The compression doesn't do your quality videos justice. Shame on TH-cam.
I imagine bf competetive in modern times.Jusnt not see it in WW1. I dream of spin off similar to Bad Companys Vietnam Expansion. Same game with different skins and weapons.This will be the best option and will give me a reason to actually buy the game.
i think westie , battlefield 1 need to make 64 player celebrate the big matches format , have 32 player teams on a Lan system would be cool , but yes we wont see that happen , just enjoy the game for what it is, a casual shooter that looks stunning and fun for 2 hours at a time.
Bought Rainbow six siege on black friday, and haven't touched BF1 since then. And i have been playing battlefield games only for the last 6 years. For me BF1 is lacking on competitive gameplay,tension,suspense...
A separate Battlefield game for E-Sports that is not played by the general public will not succeed. World of Tanks already uses an E-Sports setup that is completely different from what the general players are familiar with and no one watches it. If EA/Dice release a BF for E-Sports to the general public will anyone play it? I doubt it and if it's a completely different game from what the public plays, the public is not likely to watch competitors play.
I don't think small competitive modes are needed for Battlefield. Maybe EA can make their own seperate competitive game series but Battlefield is about the big battles, not small 5 v 5 fights.
I guess I don't understand what makes a game casual. To me a casual game is something that can just be picked up occasionally and still be very competitive with more serious players. BF1 seems no more casual than BF4 to me, it's just different. Vehicles still require a good bit of skill to be successful on (especially air to air combat). I think BF1 just uses different skills.
Yes. Battliefield 1 is the most casual so far.
Pablo Horteg battlefield 1 is far more casual BECAUSE of how bare bones it is. There is so little in the way of things to use that everyone has the same things and levels the field for everyone. Skill plays a VERY small part in it if you already know how to play AAA shooters.
And the suppression in BF1 is more of a joke than its ever been. Also you guys talk about the gadgets etc in the past BF's but the thing that makes this BF more casual is the gunplay, no skilled vehicle play and so on.
Junktrn Z it really isn't the problem is that many big youtubers aren't of a high enough skill level or do they understand the new spread mechanics
+RaptorTheMLGAce no
Battlefield 1 casual but previous Battlefield are just as casual. Battlefield game theory has no place in competitive and that is completely fine.
Battlefield is all about the team play AND (in my opinion) about big scaled battles... That's why I like battlefield, you are 32-64 on a huge map, battling, fighting on A maybe but then going on B fighting different squads of people with different gameplays... As long as E-sport is stuck on a 5v5 lvl Battlefield is not the game to play in competition... Maybe one day we will have e-sports team with 32v32 people with a guy giving orders to the squads leaders, giving then to the squad members... like a commander would do on a real battlefield... but until then I don't see Battlefield as a competitiv game on a 5v5 scale. that's just nonsense and deny of the "true" orientation of the game... this might not be the common opinion but that's my point of view! Thanks westie for the news tho! I just joined twitter back in order to follow your news ! (sadly I wasn't there when you gave 100 beta keys for ghost recon :( ...) thanks again!
Richard Barret love this idea it would revolutionize the e sports
the most amount of team play BF has amounts to 'hey bro throw me a box' and 'hey dudes let's attack the point in groups of 5'
everything else is just people enjoying the chaos that BF actually is about.
Yeah sure, but the common game modes and even the new ones are designed for a large scale battle... I don't imagine a competition on rush neither...
32vs32 will never exist in the competitive!
Richard Barret kid stfu. did you just say maybe there will he a 32v32 ESport? Cmon bro use your common sense. Smh
Give us good server control and clan support and we will make our own competitions on Bf1 , as we did on Bf4.
i agree
Mark Scott agree because I'm building my own battlefield 1 platoon on PS4
Our clan is already running comp matches. We will go public with it once we can get better server control. Right now we can't stop randoms from spawning in and ruining matches.
Mark Scott im the leader of RAGE Clan, if you think competitive and battlefield are not compatible search us on youtube lol
competitive doesn't work for battlefield because the game needs many players to shine. at least 16 vs 16. more is better. so to me it's just not the right game for esports
the game is to casual , I played it at my cousins house and was awful at first then 3 games later I got the hang of it and it seemed easy then. bf1 is amazing but this one of the huge problems of the game
We have been fighting clan battles on bf4 for years. We rented servers on Bf4 to battle other clans, organised by the hc community. but not on Bf1 yet though , the Bf1 server control is laughable. Also there's no clan support.
We were hoping Bf1 would be a step forward for competitive fps but with the emphasis on pick up and play , the competitive community is getting mighty impatient.
Killing hc Rush by dropping the numbers of players and no friendly tags was a mistake. hc rush and 5v5 domination were the clan driven competitions on Bf4.
Fingers crossed for the big update.
GW on PS4.
It's disappointing to see the community is so divided when it comes to esports. We all agree on that Battlefield is build mainly for casuals, but that does not mean it can't be competitive. Fact is Battlefield has always had a competitive community since the very beginning of the franchise.
The comp. community never asked EA or DICE to change the game to make it more esports-friendly and I think this is what scares the casual community a lot. All that has been asked for, is just to build a game with more options and more choices when it comes to game-play and server settings. This way we will have a dynamic game that suits everyone's needs, hardcore, casuals, movie-makers and not least competitive players who would like to play and compete against others with similar skill and participate in offline events.
When words like Battlefield and esport are mentioned in the same line might sound as a joke to some people and I really can't blame anyone for that. But believe me competition has always existed and it was freaking fun and awesome.
Have you guys ever heard of dignitas? one of the biggest esport orgas in the world and have one of the best teams in csgo, Overwatch and other games. Do you know how dignitas started? It started as a competitive battlefield team years ago and now NBA team Sixers has invested into the orga and it's just so sad to see all this go away to other games and battlefield be forgotten.
Esports is the future and no one can deny it, it's best to build bridges instead of walls ;)
Let's make Battlefield Esports great again.
On console aim assists makes it casual
There is always aim assist on bf console games. Same with cod. Same with titanfall. Honestly this isnt an argument for why its not competitive.
Garrett Howard
Play hardcore then...
Julian Lawrie bf3 Didn't have aim assist
aim-assist autorotation on the comp scene is banned normally , now the servers are still fucked so there is yet no thing to put on off but as soon dice fucktards fix the servers we will disable it
yes most guys do but you still have these new ones or randys who use it in matches
I Think Having An Even Split Is Fair. 50% Competitive Focus AND 50% Casual Focus.
I'm really glad you made this video! As a competitive Battlefield player I think that a stand-alone Battlefield game is very neccessary to get the scene rolling for real. At the moment we have to deal with so much hate from the rest of the community so I think a stand-alone game can solve that. However the upcoming competitive events for BF1 I'm still very intrested in. Thanks for sharing!
I've been waiting for u to upload for sooo long btw ur awesome
I think what they need to do is have a smaller rush-style game mode the focuses on how many bombs you can blow up before being eliminated as you progress through levels, and then you sort of "switch sides" and they come at you and try and blow up your bombs.
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That's how sweaty competitive will be. I wouldn't watch that
RaptorTheMLGAce Then it shall be Kolibri only. It would be intense!
Anyone else think the other sentry kit is weak (not Villar perosa)
Max Gadon no
Max Gadon yea its ass compared to the other sentry's
just like in Battlefield 1918, the Villar Perosa unless you are using it up close and personal, sucks it just plain sucks.
Max Gadon The MG08/15? Yes,it doesnt have good range and you are slow with it. Well,if you think about it,it is more realistic this way.
Big armor, just keep your distance away from other players, pick off people in buildings or with cover. It is weak compared to the other elite classes (except for tank hunter, I do think that one is too weak) but its still better than being an infantry class. I have a lot of fun with it
No what they should do is skip that standard competitive game play have them play 20 v 20 or 30 v 30 and don't worry about keeping them on a stage or keep one squad v the other teams squad in other places I honestly think that would work and I would defiantly watch that
It's not just that, it's the fact that 32 vs 32 is simply too large to easily organize and communicate, coupled with the slow pace nature of the game being less interesting to watch then something faster which is why games like Overwatch/Counter-Strike/Rainbow Six Siege/Call of Duty/Halo have professional leagues and competitions and Battlefield doesn't and likely never will or at least not on any large scale, it actually has very little to do with it being a casual series
Are you talking about Domination? That's true but it'd be cutting out the best parts of BF
***** Maybe but as far as I know it's not on any big circuit or league
Because of the reasons I mentioned above
to make battlefield competitive you have to take the 'battlefield' out of battlefield, and that wouldn't make for the classic, large scale, exciting warfare that it is. Personally, i find playing battlefield 1 or any other battlefield 1000x more interesting than watching it.
I honestly think they should make a separate battlefield game for export is the solution. But having respawn is very weird for competitive, imagine trying to kill an enemy and all of a sudden there are three new enemies just spawning in. I don't think that makes for good competitive.
COD was not an esport and was forced into one. This hurt the fun factor of the game quite a lot and reduced the longevity and replayability of the game. Battlefield is NOT an esport and should not become one. period.
MuscledRMH e sports didn't hurt cod it was the games itself
Garrett Howard A big prize pool does not mean COD is meant to be an esport. COD having non-esports focused mapdesigns would make the public game much better already.
I clearly said the game is not meant to be an esport. COD was at a much better place when they made a game for the fun public matches and not for competitive matches.
I think it would be interesting to have 32 v 32 competitive it hasn't been done before. Maybe make a competitive playlist with lots of limitations to make it more skill based consisting of conquest, rush and team deathmatch.
I need more maps in my life
64 player conquest, one life per player. Enter as ranked squads. 10 minute pre-battle briefing with squad leaders only. Once a team is wiped out or the score limit(reduced) is reached, that's game. Squad roles on roids. This would create an intense, patient, and adrenaline fueled experience with plenty of esports opportunity.
westie your voice has calmed me for years
I think Competitive Battlefield could be a thing with smaller teams, however the teams would attack a single objective and the team to hold it for a certain amount of time wins the match. I don't think competitive Battlefield works on full-size maps.
I wouldn't actually mind seeing competitive conquest. I know you'd need huge teams, but hypothetically I'd love to see a 32v32 competitive conquest match. Think 8 squads of 4, one spotter who isn't playing to direct the squads to attack or hold objectives. That would be a very Battlefield competitive game in my view.
I feel like a battlefield 5v5 competitive game wouldn't really be battlefield, but maybe a 12v12 version of what you were describing about Bad Company 2
Why not have a massive BF1 32v32 competitive conquest with a 5 map rotation, best 3/5 series? I would watch the hell out of that.
Why does e sports have to be set at 5? Why can't it be 10v10 or 12v12? I mean most teams have multiple people not just 5...and most can get a team that large, so why not?
It would be epic if we had 32 player Pro Teams:0
I love this game but I got bored, such lack of upgrades.
Keep up the good work Westie ! Love your content:)
Westie your videos are too long trim it up
+Adib RBehroozi Explanation of points is key to presenting an opinion. I'm not going to "trim it up" :)
Westie i think it could work honestly, its more competitive then CoD
Adib RBehroozi Gotta get that Ad revenue tho
Adib RBehroozi yeah hes doing it for more revenue
NO there fine
Battlefield 1 would never work as a competitive game.
how would it work? 5v5 automatico users? Public matchmaking where your grouped against an enemy team with 300+ ping.
If EA & DICE want a competitive game then i think they should re-invent Medal Of Honor but without the COD killstreaks.
PHENOMENAL Well i'm part of the group that represents finland in competitive matches and i can say it's easy.. 5v5 or 12v12 domination rooftops managetable by ladders are banned and so are shotguns, spot flare and automatico:D
The competitive scene is there, you dont just see it
I think a good competitive mode for Battlefield 1 would be similar to Verdun's Frontline's game mode. Though with 5v5 or 10v10 squads. It wouldn't be very difficult with slight adjustments to the Operations game mode.
I still love playing BF1, and have been playing since launch. That said...I also have a life. A job, wife and 2 kids. I don't play the game every night, maybe a couple times a week. For those playing every night, releasing DLC content/map packs a little quicker would really help. Not sure why they need to spread it out over a year.
Battlefield 1 is WAY to casual. The last non casual battlefield was battlefield 3
I still do not get - why "competitive" must be 5 vs 5/only infantry. I think 10 vs 10 or 15 vs 15 would be best solution for battlefield top league matches. There can be some resources oriented limitations like limited amounts of tanks respawn or smth like that to add more tactic to vehicle using, maybe a bit different spawn mechanic to add value to each player life. Why competitive is always CSGO like game?
Great suggestion for a competitive bf1. I always thought of such a gameplay. I might even go back to bf1 with such an option.
why does every FPS that comes out these days want to be a competitive game
To make bf1 more chaotic, can't someone just decrease map size a lot? It would mean more people in a smaller amount of space
They could make the new rush be competitive with hardcore
the whole point of battle field is huge battles, i dont think we'll be finding 20 or 32 player teams
The most casual BF game made until today. I'd love watching a eSport bf stream, but I see it very far away. BFH and BF4 were actually good, but I don't understand why they didn't implement it. BF1 is just too easy for new players, not skillfull as previous games. Still love it.
sanluka15 i agree
Its either a 12vs12 or 16vs16 comp play WITH vehicular gameplay or else I could just play COD or CS or something else. Simple as that. BF3 had the most potential about this and the Scene became larger until the point where players thought the game itself was dying.
Agreed Westie. The current implementation of BF1 can't be shoehorned down into something that makes sense for competitive play. Their best option would be to generate an offshoot as a F2P game for those with a BF1 license with specifically designed maps scaled down to something that works for small, squad-sized teams.
Also, it's comical to read people who can't feel how the franchise continues to get more and more casual with every iteration. Obviously, the volume revenue is with the casual player base and this doesn't bode well for any even quasi-serious FPS player going forward.
I was thinking.
Maybe they do a sort of "war" competitive like they do in Heroes and Generals. That could work.
What about 32 vs. 32 competitive battlefield? Remove a lot of the random stuff, and make it very skill and team based, and instead of 5 v. 5, you need a full army with leaders, subordinates, and stuff. Instead of a tight team, it would be organized more like an actual army, and each squad would be like the 5 man team from other games.
ADS with Trench just getd me triggered
hardcore rush plays pretty awesome. Its alot more interesting than control points like onslaught/operations because the attackers or defenders don't have to be on the objective to capture/defend it. the levels just need to be condensed to more linear like bad company 2 rush. they should reduce it to9-12 people per side. squads of 3 or 4
im still waiting for that $1.6 million tournament to happen
I really do like your idea of that onslaugt type gamemode
Call of Duty is a casual game with huge competitive scenes why not BF1?
Garrett Howard no
COD's comp scene is a huge joke.
Matt Bishop its not casual, but me personally i didnt think a game based on reaction time was competitive. Twitchy time to kill isnt competitive imo.
RaptorTheMLGAce You're kidding right... this is the simplest Battlefield game yet, not that that's a bad thing, but it just isn't as deep, complex, and challenging as all former Battlefield games.
I would love it. Bf4 US vs EU was awesome.
ESPORTS teams playing a game of operations, rush, or conquest. OMG I would cream my pants. It would make BF unique in the ESPORTS world.
I would love a version of competitive bf1 it could be like defuse from bf4 put with MLG rules I think that would be fun AF.
Westie, what about african wars in first world war, and submarines battles?
Or historical battles, like Battle of La Lys!
Keep the good work!
Short answer: yes
ever since bf4 came BF has become insanely casual. I miss BF3 and bfbc2 and ik its backward compatible and all that but I wish there was a remake or just a new game that has the same feel and flow
BF4 was too casual for esports too. BF has never been an esports focused series.
Battlefield should make a coms mode that you can play w/ friends (kinda like survival from the modern warfare series).
Being casual has nothing to do with being competitive. And being an eSports has nothing to do with being skill intensive. Look at games like Overwatch and CoD
+Westie Great Video Man
Westie let me fix your title- ► BATTLEFIELD 1 IS TOO GLITCHY AND BUGGY FOR ESPORTS! - Competitive Battlefield
If this isn't what BF is gunna be westie you should really consider entering into multiplayer game design. This sounds fantastic!
there is a community claiming for a competitive support and DICE seems to ignore it !! the incentive has to start from them!!!! but it seems too far away from reality
See Westie knows, finally a bigger youtuber pointing it out. They've made this game too casual and their making it easier for the new players. Thats why people liked battlefield because you had to be skillful and you had to work to get better, now its just too easy. Their just disappointing their original players that enjoyed the game for what it was.
I think battlefield should get some competitive game modes with things like unique skins and guns as rewards
Here is a start, 6vs6 infantry only 8vs8 with vehicles, build upon that.
The reason why i play battlefield is because of the massive scale and physics. To try to change battlefield just for the sole purpose of entering the esports scene I think would ruin what makes it so different and unique. Longtime fans, myself included, hate when dice and ea try to alter the way it works to try to cater to different audiences other than its base. Remember hardline? People already complain enough about how codlike (for lack of a better term) the franchise is becoming. The reason why call of duty has been slumping hard in sales since BO2 is because they were disenfranchising their base, hence the widely negative reaction to IW. It would be a real shame to see that happen to battlefield.
I personally think that if battlefield 1 will be e-sports there will be more strategy and teamplay since it's shooting is more casual
Or they could have teams of 40 (yes I know getting 40 would be a pain) go up against each other in ops
I think It would be an good idea but it doesn't has to take over battlefield 1, it has to be an small mini game and not the main focus
I think Squad Deathmatch could work as a competetive mode
I think a 12 v 12 with vehicles would be interesting and no deathmatch use rush and for vehicles one tank one plane one boat maybe but behemoths if one side is getting wrecked but your ganterneed to get one every map its just a way to make a lopsided game more interesting
With so many random factors Battlefield 1 never be competitive.
Dice could add clan tournaments where you could have 32 v 32 clans play operations
There is one simple easy response and explanation. No, skill gap.
Antvagu Banano Their definitely needs to be one cause I am sick and tired of having teammates who don't know what to do and really just suck while the other team gets more skilled players than mine.
Autoloading 8 is very easy to use. People don't use it because the 5 rounds restrict it to defensive play most of the time. You have to position yourself so that you will only engage 1 or maybe 2 people at a time. Great gun for small game modes but not reliable on operations and conquest unless you are running with a good squad. If you are used to playing as an aggressive recon, the Autoloading 8 should not be difficult to master.
5v5 , new small tactical maps , dmr's only , destroy/defend posts or plant/defuse bombs.
umair aman pretty much a CS GO match were everyone is using the Scar-20
Here's a tip aim higher when you're trying to snipe someone who is far away
Too casual??? Mmmmmm...I think you youtubers seem to forget that the average bf1 player plays maybe 2 hours a day after work. We dont play 8 hours a day or more so we can put a 10min headshot montage together. I think that you guys screw the normal bf1 player over by being too good and getting everything nerfed...Make a video about that.
Competitive is kind of enjoyable right now but they just need to hurry up and add more rent a server options
Just have teams of 32 players.
AngryNerds100 read my comment above
Why are people taking this seriously? It's a joke.
Competitive and BF1 could work with more custom game settings and less automatic weapons. In it's current game this is just a casual shooter.
competitive should have no matter on war based games, under that intention EA added all the weapons to all the factions, totally absurd but as is ww1 not many people seems to care, but imagine if they had choose ww2, and the japanese faction soldiers rushing with bar rifles and thompsons, american soldiers with stg44 and mp40
if cod has their own competitive scene i dont see why battlefielf cant have one
Two teams of 32 players, and with only one life per soldier. It could play out like Operations or Rush, but ONLY one sector. It will play out like R6 Siege --a best-out-of-three or -five gamemode. The fact each player only has one life will make for cautious --and tactical --gameplay
simply reducing player movement speed will solve everything, among with grenade spams and behemoth nerfs(the driving seats). I hope to see that on upcoming patches. BF1 is a great game, but i have no reason to play than vehicles as there is game like Day of Infamy
they just need ranked matches . or something for players that don't want to get stuck with players that don't play objectives or help the team .
The original game mode he describes was literally what Rainbow Six Siege is.
Hardcore battlefield can be competitive depending on the players in game from what I've experienced. There are more independent competitors in battlefield than there are "teams" or clans like in other games that are solid in the esports community already, but yeah the whole game is casual and because of the team sizes it's even more casual. I think two teams of 20, on hardcore maybe even with one to 5 lives a player could definitely be a competitive match up, and if there was a battlefield game recreated specifically to adapt towards what's popular in esports it would be even better but I definitely think the core gamemode or at least the mechanics of it shouldn't be apart of the competitive side. Personally, just like cod, core games are just not intuitive but that's my opinion because I've always shined in hardcore fps. Pro players may disagree and that's fine, but regardless I definitely think Battlefield could do good on a competitive level. Just needs more attention and more custom servers dedicated to experimenting with how it could work
i think that there isnt a way to make to make battlefield competitive without changing it way too much.
Westie. I love your videos but please use a different compression for uploading to TH-cam. This 1080p 60fps footage looks closer to like 480p while moving around alot of foliage.
The compression doesn't do your quality videos justice. Shame on TH-cam.
I imagine bf competetive in modern times.Jusnt not see it in WW1. I dream of spin off similar to Bad Companys Vietnam Expansion. Same game with different skins and weapons.This will be the best option and will give me a reason to actually buy the game.
I for one would enjoy ranked operations or conquest simply to enjoy more teamwork
i think westie , battlefield 1 need to make 64 player celebrate the big matches format , have 32 player teams on a Lan system would be cool , but yes we wont see that happen , just enjoy the game for what it is, a casual shooter that looks stunning and fun for 2 hours at a time.
Bought Rainbow six siege on black friday, and haven't touched BF1 since then.
And i have been playing battlefield games only for the last 6 years.
For me BF1 is lacking on competitive gameplay,tension,suspense...
A separate Battlefield game for E-Sports that is not played by the general public will not succeed. World of Tanks already uses an E-Sports setup that is completely different from what the general players are familiar with and no one watches it.
If EA/Dice release a BF for E-Sports to the general public will anyone play it? I doubt it and if it's a completely different game from what the public plays, the public is not likely to watch competitors play.
Thanks for making and sharing. First video from you in a long time, that I can agree on...... br Paul...... ps. push BattleNonSense concept BF1982 !!!
Just wait westie until they give us the option to customize our own servers then it will competitive
I don't think small competitive modes are needed for Battlefield. Maybe EA can make their own seperate competitive game series but Battlefield is about the big battles, not small 5 v 5 fights.
I guess I don't understand what makes a game casual. To me a casual game is something that can just be picked up occasionally and still be very competitive with more serious players. BF1 seems no more casual than BF4 to me, it's just different. Vehicles still require a good bit of skill to be successful on (especially air to air combat). I think BF1 just uses different skills.