Heidelberg catechism Q&A 69… Q. How does holy baptism remind and assure you that Christ’s one sacrifice on the cross benefits you personally? A. In this way: Christ instituted this outward washing and with it promised that, as surely as water washes away the dirt from the body, so certainly his blood and his Spirit wash away my soul’s impurity, that is, all my sins.
Email nathan@rightresponseministries.com and I’ll see if we can get one shipped to you. As of now we don’t do much international shipping if that is the case for you but I’d be happy to see what we can do. Thanks!
I really appreciate this very helpful and clear defining of assurance of salvation. I’m struggling with this issue and I am so glad God led me to your video.
I wonder why God doesn’t make this indubitable for believers. It takes people convincing themselves, and needing reassurance from other people. Seems likely a wholly human process.
I feel like what the questioner is more asking is "how do I know that the Gospel is actually for me? How do I know that Christ's atonement was actually for me? How do I know if I was elected before the universe began? Or am I one of the false believers that God just allows to think I am saved, but in reality, I was never really saved just like Derek Webb?"
@@ryanadams5719 personal Calvinist friend. There is a belief as if God doesn't actually live everybody and that He creates most people to be vessels of wrath. This presents the problem of not knowing if it's real with you or not. This gets especially worse when you see people you know walk away from faith. Your Calvinist friends tell you that your friend was never saved to begin with, but then how do you know that you are? My Calvinist friend went from having absolute assurance to basically none.
@@ryanadams5719 changing your question is weird. To your new statement, I'd say it doesn't matter if it's an "accurate" representation or not. If new Calvinists and non-Calvinist have this question then it is a valid question that deserves an answer. It's a question that is unique to Calvinism that other soteriologies don't have to answer.
@@huntsman528 ….Sorry…I changed the wording because I didn’t want to come off snarky toward You….”Weird” as it may be. And I removed My response to You….because I am really not trying to stir up anything. The point You touched on in Your OP….is actually one of “Calvin’s”doctrines…..My point was that according to the doctrine God “does” this…..He doesn’t “allow” this….The doctrine says that God actually causes some reprobates to have a temporary faith……and also explains His purpose in doing this. My whole motive was to let You know that the doctrine of “evanescent grace” is even more tragic than Your representation of it…..But this is My opinion. I’m a basket case on these threads….I remove a lot of what I say….because I don’t always have a right heart when I say things. I don’t agree with Evanescent grace…..And My motivation for bringing it up to You was a wrong motivation…….it wasn’t to help You along in anything good. But only to fuel Your argument…..and to give You something more to argue against. I am wrong for that.
Because calvinists cant really ever know for sure because of evanescent grace, so the best answer you have backdoor works salvation since you have to look at those for security of salvation. Ironically, regardless of your works, if God has deceived you into thinking you're saved, you are still lost and headed for hell. Some interesting "gospel." I also see many calvinists say the Gospel is for everyone when arguing or preaching to mixed group, and 😮 deny they believe otherwise, saying we straw man them. Dude writes in: "How do i know if the Gospel is for me?" And Joel doesn't bat an eye. Maybe Joel is more consistent than others, but its goofy. You can know the Gospel is for you because the Bible says so. The free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life. Receive that which has come upon you and you will be saved.
I know that I certainly started with assurance. My parents taught me so well that I had assurance of my salvation for probably 10 years before I even became a Christian. Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying that I thought I was saved before I was saved. Only that I knew that I would end up saved eventually. Much to my dread for the 1st 9 of those 10 years.
There is no scripture that says God elects some to be saved. Ephesians 1 says that God elects or chooses those who are already in Him, in Christ stated 11 times in that chapter to be Holy and blameless. Blessings
Ryan. The timing of your receiving the gift of God's effectual grace is not dependent on your desired timing. To say you desire it happened sooner is to say the Lord's timing isn't perfect. It is perfect. All of the sons of God will come to saving faith ON HIS timing. The whole world groans within, with patience, waiting for the sons of God to be manifest amongst us. Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. All of the sons of God are born again from above by the will and grace of God alone, through the works, shed blood, and faith OF Jesus Christ alone. As sons of God we die more to self every day, as the Spirit within quickens you. Self will, self love, love of this world and the things of this world, perish more every day, as God conforms you more into the image of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@theresaread72 I will be honest I have no idea how to read this. What are you trying to say. Or maybe the more helpful question is what do you think that I was saying. Do you mean to say that I am lying about the assurance I had? I need a little help here.
@@ManassehJones I have no idea what you are saying either. I said nothing about what I desired or didn't desire. I don't know what effectual or ineffectual grace is But if I assume that what you mean by effectual grace is just grace then I agree with you. I am however confused why you would make comment.
>How do I know if I'm elect? Because Christ died on our behalf, was buried, and raised on the third day. The more you dive into your own works to prove assurance, the more you lose sight of the One who does the assuring. Place your sight on Christ's righteousness and everything will fall into place.
Most people who click on this are interested the difference between free will and being called or chosen or elected. What you are addressing is the "assurance" of salvation and not how can i know if I am "elect" . You should call this How can I know I am saved?
[It's late so I'm tired.] But if someone is saved, truly saved, they must by faith, take up their cross daily until the end of their lives. There are 3 or more scriptures that speak on this (outside the gospels) matter. There are those that have gone back, as it says: For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. -excerpt 2 Timothy 4
From the Reformed perspective, there isn't a difference between free will and our election, they go hand in hand. If you are elect, you are saved; and if you are saved, you are elect. If changing the title would encourage a misunderstanding of and false dichotomy between election and salvation, it's probably better that he titled it as he did. Westminster Confession 10.1 and 18.2 has a good summary of the doctrine: it is God in his appointed time who effectually calls us by his Word and Spirit out of our sin and gives us the grace of regenerates us, and in doing so we come most freely, being made willing by that regenerating grace. And it is because our salvation doesn't rest on something that originated in us (whether it be a work or belief or prayer or anything else originating in us) but rather a choice that originated in God that he willingly elected us despite our unworthiness and sinfulness that we can be assured that he won't renege on his promises but will complete his work of salvation.
If you're elect, you'll hate your sin and others sins. You'll find this world and the things of this world evil continually. You'll hunger and thirst for more Truth in His Word by the Spirit of God working with you. You will hate liars, thieves, blasphemers, reprobates, false converts, false teachers, false prophets, and lovers of self. You'll suffer, like Christ did. You'll moan within like Jesus did. You say "Not my will but thy will be done O God," like Jesus Christ did. You'll realize you're one of the few, very few, saved by the will and grace of God alone, and put on the narrow path to trials and tribulations that lead to eternal life. It's none of you, it's ALL of God. You can't resist it, because God's will has been imputed into you and there's no choice but to be thrown in the fiery furnace, in the Lions Den, yea even to be sawn usunder if the Lord so decrees.
Do you think Christians will hate liars, thieves, etc, or will they hate lying, stealing, etc.? Meaning, I have always believed we are to hate sin but not hate people, and I have struggled with not having feelings of hate towards people who live very corruptly or evilly.
@@jseehowitsbeen3177 If you're born again, and you look back at the lies, the thefts, the bladphemies, the fornication, and your hatred to God; do you hate yourself for those sins, or do you hate the sins for the sins?
But your first statement said we will hate liars, thieves, etc., so I took it as you saying we will hate people who do those things, which would include hating others. And I always believed we weren’t supposed to hate people. I would even wonder if we should hate ourselves even if we did sin in certain ways. Self hatred doesn’t seem like it would lead to people being productive, even if it was hatred of an “old self,” because it would seem like it would be easy to get caught up in a cycle of overwhelming shame or depression, instead of moving forward and being alive in Christ, and dead to sin. If we are to consider ourselves “dead” it makes me think hating our dead self is pointless. But when I think about hating the sinful acts it doesn’t seem like it would be the same thing. I don’t know the correct answer for your question. I can look back at sinful things I’ve done when I was a Christian and I can clearly see how wrong they were, and how hating those sinful acts/thoughts/behaviors would lead me to stop doing them, but I don’t know if I feel like I actively hated myself or even if now I feel like I hate myself.
@@ManassehJones _"If you're elect, you'll hate your sin and others sins."_ A nitpick, but this mixes categories. You can be elect, as that is from the eternal choice of God made before the foundations of the earth, yet not yet regenerated and thus not yet have a proper regard for sin. But yes, the elect will in time be regenerated and learn to hate sin. _"You'll realize you're one of the few, very few, saved..."_ Where do you get this quantity from? You make reference to the narrow path, but that only speaks of people who will find it, something we can see from other scriptures that so few find it that we can call that number zero as no one seeks God. And yet we know that in the end, there will be an innumerable multitude of saved from every tongue, tribe and nation. It is because it is all of God (as you rightly go on to say) that I see no reason to take a passage about what man finds as definitive for the quantity of people being saved.
I hear what your saying and I still struggle with this. First off He won't save everyone and if your not one of His elect you can't be saved even if you want. Then there's the trust part which is hard because I don't trust most people I can see ,so trusting Him is hard for me sometimes. Then there's the whole thing about when the people say lord, lord and He says to depart from Him even after they did things like cast out demon's. There is nothing more important than a relationship with Jesus so it's hard to wrap my head around
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” -excerpt Romans 10 referencing Joel 2
"If you're not one of His elect you can't be saved even if you want." I would challenge this assertion. The bible makes no room for this supposed class of people who desire to be saved but aren't. There are only rebellious sinners who are only too pleased to continue sinning and those who have been reborn in Christ.
@@douglasmcnay644 As it says: Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out. -excerpt John 6 (words of Jesus) Yes, Jesus saves everyone that comes in sincerity to Him. Of course they must continue to take up their cross daily until the end of their lives.
no if you our sorry for your sins and believe Jesus- God died for you sin to be forgiven you are saved my His Blood. So give Jesus the glory for His love and mercy.
I thought I might add a comment to help boost this video in the algorithm because I like Joel's videos. But I have come to immediately regret that decision.🤣🤣🤣
@@screwball1010 You said " I have come to immediately regret that decision. 🤣🤣🤣" You don't think those 3 laughing faces is making lite of commenting about eternal truths?
@@ManassehJones They definitely are making light of something. I will donate $100 to Joel's ministry if you can identify what they are making light of.
This issue has been on my mind a lot lately. Thank you for your excellent explanation!
Thank you for this video! Very helpful! My husband and I was just talking about this subject of assurance.
You’re welcome!
Heidelberg catechism Q&A 69…
Q. How does holy baptism
remind and assure you
that Christ’s one sacrifice on the cross
benefits you personally?
A. In this way:
Christ instituted this outward washing
and with it promised that, as surely as water washes away the dirt from the body, so certainly his blood and his Spirit wash away my soul’s impurity, that is, all my sins.
How can leg get your book,because I
Can't prechase it
Email nathan@rightresponseministries.com and I’ll see if we can get one shipped to you. As of now we don’t do much international shipping if that is the case for you but I’d be happy to see what we can do. Thanks!
I really appreciate this very helpful and clear defining of assurance of salvation. I’m struggling with this issue and I am so glad God led me to your video.
I wonder why God doesn’t make this indubitable for believers. It takes people convincing themselves, and needing reassurance from other people. Seems likely a wholly human process.
I feel like what the questioner is more asking is "how do I know that the Gospel is actually for me? How do I know that Christ's atonement was actually for me? How do I know if I was elected before the universe began? Or am I one of the false believers that God just allows to think I am saved, but in reality, I was never really saved just like Derek Webb?"
God “allows” this?
Isn’t an accurate representation of the doctrine.
@@ryanadams5719 personal Calvinist friend. There is a belief as if God doesn't actually live everybody and that He creates most people to be vessels of wrath. This presents the problem of not knowing if it's real with you or not. This gets especially worse when you see people you know walk away from faith. Your Calvinist friends tell you that your friend was never saved to begin with, but then how do you know that you are? My Calvinist friend went from having absolute assurance to basically none.
@@ryanadams5719 changing your question is weird.
To your new statement, I'd say it doesn't matter if it's an "accurate" representation or not. If new Calvinists and non-Calvinist have this question then it is a valid question that deserves an answer. It's a question that is unique to Calvinism that other soteriologies don't have to answer.
@@huntsman528 ….Sorry…I changed the wording because I didn’t want to come off snarky toward You….”Weird” as it may be.
And I removed My response to You….because I am really not trying to stir up anything.
The point You touched on in Your OP….is actually one of “Calvin’s”doctrines…..My point was that according to the doctrine God “does” this…..He doesn’t “allow” this….The doctrine says that God actually causes some reprobates to have a temporary faith……and also explains His purpose in doing this.
My whole motive was to let You know that the doctrine of “evanescent grace” is even more tragic than Your representation of it…..But this is My opinion.
I’m a basket case on these threads….I remove a lot of what I say….because I don’t always have a right heart when I say things.
I don’t agree with Evanescent grace…..And My motivation for bringing it up to You was a wrong motivation…….it wasn’t to help You along in anything good.
But only to fuel Your argument…..and to give You something more to argue against.
I am wrong for that.
@@huntsman528 ….Megan Phelps is another heart breaking testimony…..You can watch Joe Rogan’s interview with Her.
but they do not think they need a saver, and not sorry for sins in lift.
This was really helpful, thank you.
Because calvinists cant really ever know for sure because of evanescent grace, so the best answer you have backdoor works salvation since you have to look at those for security of salvation.
Ironically, regardless of your works, if God has deceived you into thinking you're saved, you are still lost and headed for hell.
Some interesting "gospel."
I also see many calvinists say the Gospel is for everyone when arguing or preaching to mixed group, and 😮 deny they believe otherwise, saying we straw man them.
Dude writes in: "How do i know if the Gospel is for me?" And Joel doesn't bat an eye.
Maybe Joel is more consistent than others, but its goofy.
You can know the Gospel is for you because the Bible says so. The free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life. Receive that which has come upon you and you will be saved.
I know that I certainly started with assurance. My parents taught me so well that I had assurance of my salvation for probably 10 years before I even became a Christian. Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying that I thought I was saved before I was saved. Only that I knew that I would end up saved eventually. Much to my dread for the 1st 9 of those 10 years.
There is no scripture that says God elects some to be saved. Ephesians 1 says that God elects or chooses those who are already in Him, in Christ stated 11 times in that chapter to be Holy and blameless. Blessings
Ryan. The timing of your receiving the gift of God's effectual grace is not dependent on your desired timing. To say you desire it happened sooner is to say the Lord's timing isn't perfect. It is perfect. All of the sons of God will come to saving faith ON HIS timing. The whole world groans within, with patience, waiting for the sons of God to be manifest amongst us.
Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
All of the sons of God are born again from above by the will and grace of God alone, through the works, shed blood, and faith OF Jesus Christ alone. As sons of God we die more to self every day, as the Spirit within quickens you. Self will, self love, love of this world and the things of this world, perish more every day, as God conforms you more into the image of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@theresaread72 I will be honest I have no idea how to read this. What are you trying to say. Or maybe the more helpful question is what do you think that I was saying. Do you mean to say that I am lying about the assurance I had? I need a little help here.
@@ManassehJones I have no idea what you are saying either. I said nothing about what I desired or didn't desire. I don't know what effectual or ineffectual grace is But if I assume that what you mean by effectual grace is just grace then I agree with you. I am however confused why you would make comment.
@@screwball1010 Did you say you "dread" the first 9 of the 10 years?
>How do I know if I'm elect?
Because Christ died on our behalf, was buried, and raised on the third day.
The more you dive into your own works to prove assurance, the more you lose sight of the One who does the assuring. Place your sight on Christ's righteousness and everything will fall into place.
Most people who click on this are interested the difference between free will and being called or chosen or elected. What you are addressing is the "assurance" of salvation and not how can i know if I am "elect" . You should call this How can I know I am saved?
[It's late so I'm tired.]
But if someone is saved, truly saved, they must by faith,
take up their cross daily until the end of their lives. There
are 3 or more scriptures that speak on this (outside the
gospels) matter.
There are those that have gone back, as it says:
For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica.
-excerpt 2 Timothy 4
From the Reformed perspective, there isn't a difference between free will and our election, they go hand in hand. If you are elect, you are saved; and if you are saved, you are elect. If changing the title would encourage a misunderstanding of and false dichotomy between election and salvation, it's probably better that he titled it as he did.
Westminster Confession 10.1 and 18.2 has a good summary of the doctrine: it is God in his appointed time who effectually calls us by his Word and Spirit out of our sin and gives us the grace of regenerates us, and in doing so we come most freely, being made willing by that regenerating grace. And it is because our salvation doesn't rest on something that originated in us (whether it be a work or belief or prayer or anything else originating in us) but rather a choice that originated in God that he willingly elected us despite our unworthiness and sinfulness that we can be assured that he won't renege on his promises but will complete his work of salvation.
If you're elect, you'll hate your sin and others sins. You'll find this world and the things of this world evil continually. You'll hunger and thirst for more Truth in His Word by the Spirit of God working with you. You will hate liars, thieves, blasphemers, reprobates, false converts, false teachers, false prophets, and lovers of self. You'll suffer, like Christ did. You'll moan within like Jesus did. You say "Not my will but thy will be done O God," like Jesus Christ did. You'll realize you're one of the few, very few, saved by the will and grace of God alone, and put on the narrow path to trials and tribulations that lead to eternal life. It's none of you, it's ALL of God. You can't resist it, because God's will has been imputed into you and there's no choice but to be thrown in the fiery furnace, in the Lions Den, yea even to be sawn usunder if the Lord so decrees.
Do you think Christians will hate liars, thieves, etc, or will they hate lying, stealing, etc.? Meaning, I have always believed we are to hate sin but not hate people, and I have struggled with not having feelings of hate towards people who live very corruptly or evilly.
@@jseehowitsbeen3177 If you're born again, and you look back at the lies, the thefts, the bladphemies, the fornication, and your hatred to God; do you hate yourself for those sins, or do you hate the sins for the sins?
But your first statement said we will hate liars, thieves, etc., so I took it as you saying we will hate people who do those things, which would include hating others. And I always believed we weren’t supposed to hate people. I would even wonder if we should hate ourselves even if we did sin in certain ways. Self hatred doesn’t seem like it would lead to people being productive, even if it was hatred of an “old self,” because it would seem like it would be easy to get caught up in a cycle of overwhelming shame or depression, instead of moving forward and being alive in Christ, and dead to sin. If we are to consider ourselves “dead” it makes me think hating our dead self is pointless. But when I think about hating the sinful acts it doesn’t seem like it would be the same thing. I don’t know the correct answer for your question. I can look back at sinful things I’ve done when I was a Christian and I can clearly see how wrong they were, and how hating those sinful acts/thoughts/behaviors would lead me to stop doing them, but I don’t know if I feel like I actively hated myself or even if now I feel like I hate myself.
@@ManassehJones _"If you're elect, you'll hate your sin and others sins."_
A nitpick, but this mixes categories. You can be elect, as that is from the eternal choice of God made before the foundations of the earth, yet not yet regenerated and thus not yet have a proper regard for sin. But yes, the elect will in time be regenerated and learn to hate sin.
_"You'll realize you're one of the few, very few, saved..."_
Where do you get this quantity from? You make reference to the narrow path, but that only speaks of people who will find it, something we can see from other scriptures that so few find it that we can call that number zero as no one seeks God. And yet we know that in the end, there will be an innumerable multitude of saved from every tongue, tribe and nation. It is because it is all of God (as you rightly go on to say) that I see no reason to take a passage about what man finds as definitive for the quantity of people being saved.
@@oracleoftroy Are you born again from above by the will and grace of God alone?
I hear what your saying and I still struggle with this. First off He won't save everyone and if your not one of His elect you can't be saved even if you want. Then there's the trust part which is hard because I don't trust most people I can see ,so trusting Him is hard for me sometimes. Then there's the whole thing about when the people say lord, lord and He says to depart from Him even after they did things like cast out demon's. There is nothing more important than a relationship with Jesus so it's hard to wrap my head around
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
-excerpt Romans 10 referencing Joel 2
"If you're not one of His elect you can't be saved even if you want."
I would challenge this assertion. The bible makes no room for this supposed class of people who desire to be saved but aren't. There are only rebellious sinners who are only too pleased to continue sinning and those who have been reborn in Christ.
@@douglasmcnay644 As it says:
Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out.
-excerpt John 6 (words of Jesus)
Yes, Jesus saves everyone that comes in sincerity
to Him. Of course they must continue to take up their
cross daily until the end of their lives.
no if you our sorry for your sins and believe Jesus- God died for you sin to be forgiven you are saved my His Blood. So give Jesus the glory for His love and mercy.
aka...noticia; assensus; fiducia...
I thought I might add a comment to help boost this video in the algorithm because I like Joel's videos. But I have come to immediately regret that decision.🤣🤣🤣
I don't find your sense of humor funny whatsoever. You're making lite issues of eternal verity as a child would. Grow up.
@@ManassehJones I will donate $100 dollars to Joel's ministry if you can identify what it is that I am making light of.
@@screwball1010 You said " I have come to immediately regret that decision. 🤣🤣🤣" You don't think those 3 laughing faces is making lite of commenting about eternal truths?
@@ManassehJones They definitely are making light of something. I will donate $100 to Joel's ministry if you can identify what they are making light of.
@@screwball1010 What about your "adding a comment to boost the algorithms" do you regret?