The hard part of dropping calves in the fall is that you have to buy or store forages/commodities to feed and grow your calves. You will also be breeding in December or later, so getting pregnancies will be more of a challenge due to decreased body condition etc... The point is: Fall calves bring a higher price for a reason. If it was easy and cheap to do, everyone would do it. If you can find a way to produce fall calves cheap, you'll make some money though. The other part of this is getting all male calves. I could walk us through this, and If anyone wants me to, just ask and I'll make another comment showing my thought process. Anyways, you'll spend roughly $35 more per cow to get about 75% bull calves instead of 50% (Theoretical I know, It rarely works this perfectly). Now lets leave out the higher price he'll fetch for a larger uniform group (for now) and just focus on heifer/steer difference. The price difference between steers and heifers is anything but consistent (location, season, long term market cyclicity, etc...) and I'm pretty sure $300 dollars like was said here is an extreme case. Assuming a difference ranging from $120 to $240 per head, you would be losing $5 per head on the low end and making $25 per head on the high end. As noted earlier this extra profit will be exaggerated in the sale barn due to the larger group of more uniform calves. If it's worth it or not depends on your specific situation. Here's my disclaimer: I am not an expert in cattle markets. I am pretty knowledgeable in repro though and have spent some time around/in the beef industry. This guy's situation is unique to him and if this works for him then great! The prices and estimates on cattle prices I listed here may vary in accuracy and should be taken with a grain of salt. The semen costs I got straight from the ABS website, drug costs from a quick google search, and the ranges on price differences based on sex were gotten from various historical USDA market reports. If anyone has any comments, critiques or questions, I would love to chat here. I definitely get nerdy about this stuff.
@@Kid_Ikaris No sir, heifer calves will still be raised and sold. Here he was referring to using sex sorted semen. They can sort the sperm cells so you can buy semen that is only male or only female.
Not here in ND, Some people calve in Jan, Feb, and March. Those guys are bull raisers or just plain nuts. Lots start in April and are just marginally nuts, the rest calve in May and June and are much smarter as its much warmer and they don't have to fight the cold and they also get to sleep at night.
The problem with calving in the fall: 1: the extra weight and body heat from carrying a calf…. That with the already hot climate temperatures equals more stress on the cow. 2: summer time is the cheapest time to put weight on cattle… you in theory wanna hit it where your calves are off the cows and on feed and grass by time the heat really hits… calving in Feb into March has you weaning in August-September… letting the cows put back on their conditioning while putting a significant amount of nutrients to their next calf they should already be growing… 3: you could possibly be dealing with calving while your trying to get your hay/forage for the winter which gives you less time to do either very important job… you could either have more dead cows/calves or not be able to put up enough feed for the winter months…. Yeah the check coming in at the end will be a good bit better, but your input cost will have also increased significantly… Time is money.
I make sure when my cattle are sold at auction that the auctioneer tells everyone as they parade around the ring that my heifers identify as steers. This works well but you first have to name the heifers all boy names & teach them to play boy games like Red Rover & buck the cowboy off in 8 sec. It also helps to slip some Nugenix in their feed. Net an extra $200/calf on the Nugenix preconditioning program
Steers bring more than heifers because it takes less inputs to get them fat. Replacement heifers can bring steer price but not straight heifer runs. It doesn't hurt to have calves for market at different times of the year. The reason. They are born in the spring mostly is because they are better calves and you are selling your grass better by growing your calves on it while it's green and growing.
If growing fall calves was easy, everyone would do it and the price wouldn't be higher like it is. Unless you have a really cheap source of feed/commodities, I don't think you're getting a lot more in profit for fall calves.
Also, if you already “AI” your cattle, then going sexed semen isn’t that much more expensive per straw, but their is a cost difference…. Plus conception rates on sexed semen are less then straight run straws… lower conception rate equals less calves to sell… is the extra cost of a combination of higher priced straws and less calves get covered by the few cents extra per pound??? Plus the random heifers that you’ll still get even though the straws had been sexed because it’s not 100% accurate… Then to attempt to cover the lower conception rate, you’d need to run a clean up bull.. running a clean up bull would put those cows a few weeks behind the rest of the herd and you’d lose the likeness to run them through the ring with the rest of your crop which would be you taking a hit on those later calves
In a grass-fed group I prefer spring born calves. I don’t need to worry about wind chill losses on a February calving day. A friend lost 7 as a result of cold last year. That was 1/3 of his production that year.
I average over 60 percent bull calves and I literally just run my black angus bull with my longhorn cows. And the calves look amazing. You might get a little color but the calves do great.
The devil is full of ideas that make money. You can cut cost on earth putt will eventually pay the full price when you use the devils science and manipulations
I’ll take fall calves over spring any day. I guarantee even if you have to purchase all of your hay on the open market you will still do better raising fall calves. The first part is simple it’s a little more work for the rancher to raise fall calves, but the reward at the sale barn is well worth the effort.
Hey I just went to W Mart and bought some hamburger meat and I went to squeeze out a hamburger and it was like grabbing a handful of Vaseline and I had to wash my hands 4 times with Dawn to get it off.
Rate of gain is better on steers, steers will be bigger finished, and unless you feed something to something to stop heats, them bitches ride every month
Did he really just base his livelihood off of market analysis of 1 and assume all factors the same for winter calving? I'm sure he's still working his operation this way, not because its efficient or more profitable, but because it would cost way too much to reset his calving cycle. The risks you know are always better than the learning cost of betting on an idea without proper research, planning, strategy, or true profit. As a farmer I see so many others think that more revenue is more profit and assuming no costs or risks overshadowing the sales.
Did you ever consider taking those like kind heifers bred and synchronized to calve in a short calving duration. I had people begging for the opportunity to start a great cow herd. Or finish them and get paid on the rail. Breed Angus, and stay with proven genetcs. Can't loose
th-cam.com/users/shortscvusSkNV0YY?si=4A34pRMgN4MIju1d And he says cattle don’t make you money… well not when you triple your input cost to only get an extra 25% on your income… that decreases your profit…. Now down south where you can graze during the winter, yeah it might be a hair more profitable, but when you have anything less then a 4:1 stocking rate and you have to supply a large majority of their diets by hand feeding, then calving in the fall and hold the pairs through winter to sell in the spring doesn’t bring more profit
The hard part of dropping calves in the fall is that you have to buy or store forages/commodities to feed and grow your calves. You will also be breeding in December or later, so getting pregnancies will be more of a challenge due to decreased body condition etc... The point is: Fall calves bring a higher price for a reason. If it was easy and cheap to do, everyone would do it. If you can find a way to produce fall calves cheap, you'll make some money though.
The other part of this is getting all male calves. I could walk us through this, and If anyone wants me to, just ask and I'll make another comment showing my thought process. Anyways, you'll spend roughly $35 more per cow to get about 75% bull calves instead of 50% (Theoretical I know, It rarely works this perfectly).
Now lets leave out the higher price he'll fetch for a larger uniform group (for now) and just focus on heifer/steer difference. The price difference between steers and heifers is anything but consistent (location, season, long term market cyclicity, etc...) and I'm pretty sure $300 dollars like was said here is an extreme case. Assuming a difference ranging from $120 to $240 per head, you would be losing $5 per head on the low end and making $25 per head on the high end. As noted earlier this extra profit will be exaggerated in the sale barn due to the larger group of more uniform calves. If it's worth it or not depends on your specific situation.
Here's my disclaimer: I am not an expert in cattle markets. I am pretty knowledgeable in repro though and have spent some time around/in the beef industry. This guy's situation is unique to him and if this works for him then great! The prices and estimates on cattle prices I listed here may vary in accuracy and should be taken with a grain of salt. The semen costs I got straight from the ABS website, drug costs from a quick google search, and the ranges on price differences based on sex were gotten from various historical USDA market reports.
If anyone has any comments, critiques or questions, I would love to chat here. I definitely get nerdy about this stuff.
Thank you for that extra info
This was great. I was actually wondering about the all males thing. Does that mean killing off the females or is there a way to influence the process?
@@Kid_Ikaris No sir, heifer calves will still be raised and sold. Here he was referring to using sex sorted semen. They can sort the sperm cells so you can buy semen that is only male or only female.
@ianbatey3425 man your knowledge is great make a yourube video please
@@ianbatey3425 oh man good to hear. Goes to show you shouldn't make assumptions. I was half ready to comment about it. Glad I asked this time.
I feel like I understand some business concepts he is discussing but I'm not 100% sure what some of his words mean 😂
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The ole boys waiving at the sale barn right ? yuuuuup yuup. 🐮 💰
@@TexasHeat247 ya hear him waving like a parade! 🤣😂🤣
"Waving like a parade" means the "good old boys" (meaning experienced buyers) are bidding aggressively.
@@winchesterpete7986 🙄
I’ve had this idea for years but never had the money or property to start it! Wonderful to see it working and someone profiting
No shit everyone calves in March. The entire animal kingdom does so.
Not in New Zealand we calve august/September
Nope
I fart in march soooo
Not here in ND, Some people calve in Jan, Feb, and March. Those guys are bull raisers or just plain nuts. Lots start in April and are just marginally nuts, the rest calve in May and June and are much smarter as its much warmer and they don't have to fight the cold and they also get to sleep at night.
Nature does not calve in March...
The problem with calving in the fall:
1: the extra weight and body heat from carrying a calf…. That with the already hot climate temperatures equals more stress on the cow.
2: summer time is the cheapest time to put weight on cattle… you in theory wanna hit it where your calves are off the cows and on feed and grass by time the heat really hits… calving in Feb into March has you weaning in August-September… letting the cows put back on their conditioning while putting a significant amount of nutrients to their next calf they should already be growing…
3: you could possibly be dealing with calving while your trying to get your hay/forage for the winter which gives you less time to do either very important job… you could either have more dead cows/calves or not be able to put up enough feed for the winter months….
Yeah the check coming in at the end will be a good bit better, but your input cost will have also increased significantly… Time is money.
Thanks for the advice. Youare correct as well. THE FALL MARKKET IS STRONG.
I love this podcast and I’m a city boy. These seems like it should be secret 😂
“I’m gonna CREATE ONLY MALES”
Imagine a farmer from 100 years ago hearing this.
He means the only ones he is bringing to market, not ones that are born.
@@myurbangarden7695 No he means the ones that are born. You can buy sex sorted semen.
Sex sorted semen can get you 85%/95% of the sex you want. You want 95% bull calves, that's the way to go.
I make sure when my cattle are sold at auction that the auctioneer tells everyone as they parade around the ring that my heifers identify as steers. This works well but you first have to name the heifers all boy names & teach them to play boy games like Red Rover & buck the cowboy off in 8 sec. It also helps to slip some Nugenix in their feed. Net an extra $200/calf on the Nugenix preconditioning program
You’ll have to reckon with the lord one day with if you lie and cheat God’s creations to make money
@@Sam-nm8tx I legitimately can’t tell if you’re being satirical
@@tylerdavis3 son, when you make steers act queer for dollar bills you’re punching a one way ticket to heifer hell
@@Sam-nm8tx 😭😭😭😭😭😭
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Smart farmer always has one eye on the market other eye on his stock & crops.
Steers bring more than heifers because it takes less inputs to get them fat. Replacement heifers can bring steer price but not straight heifer runs. It doesn't hurt to have calves for market at different times of the year. The reason. They are born in the spring mostly is because they are better calves and you are selling your grass better by growing your calves on it while it's green and growing.
If growing fall calves was easy, everyone would do it and the price wouldn't be higher like it is. Unless you have a really cheap source of feed/commodities, I don't think you're getting a lot more in profit for fall calves.
Heifer slaughter yeild is percentage points lower and , heifers have more star fat in the ribeye, plus the loin is more sunken/ thinner than steers.
Good logic ... practically hardest to make happen w weather n seasons
Also, if you already “AI” your cattle, then going sexed semen isn’t that much more expensive per straw, but their is a cost difference…. Plus conception rates on sexed semen are less then straight run straws… lower conception rate equals less calves to sell… is the extra cost of a combination of higher priced straws and less calves get covered by the few cents extra per pound??? Plus the random heifers that you’ll still get even though the straws had been sexed because it’s not 100% accurate…
Then to attempt to cover the lower conception rate, you’d need to run a clean up bull.. running a clean up bull would put those cows a few weeks behind the rest of the herd and you’d lose the likeness to run them through the ring with the rest of your crop which would be you taking a hit on those later calves
In a grass-fed group I prefer spring born calves. I don’t need to worry about wind chill losses on a February calving day. A friend lost 7 as a result of cold last year. That was 1/3 of his production that year.
I have no clue what any of this means.
Dang I thought I was the only one that figured that out
I average over 60 percent bull calves and I literally just run my black angus bull with my longhorn cows.
And the calves look amazing.
You might get a little color but the calves do great.
Ideas make you money
The devil is full of ideas that make money. You can cut cost on earth putt will eventually pay the full price when you use the devils science and manipulations
Innovation is critical to any business, let alone the Livestock Business! Well Done!
Bro discovered the basics of supply and demand
Crazy ideas
Sounds like a plan but here in Illinois if you fall calve acorns dry up your cows.
I’ll take fall calves over spring any day. I guarantee even if you have to purchase all of your hay on the open market you will still do better raising fall calves. The first part is simple it’s a little more work for the rancher to raise fall calves, but the reward at the sale barn is well worth the effort.
Just don't calve in August or Early September when it's still 100 Degrees and Flies are Hungry for their Last Meal before Hard Frost.
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Why is TH-cam recommending silver
Spoon farmers?
proof farming is much , much more than getting your hands dirty.
wait i just saw that theres no money in cows?!?!?!?!?
Beef on dairy calves are born every day, not just in the spring or fall
Cause you are smart
smart
Hey I just went to W Mart and bought some hamburger meat and I went to squeeze out a hamburger and it was like grabbing a handful of Vaseline and I had to wash my hands 4 times with Dawn to get it off.
I just had 3 fall calves...1 more on the way...East Texas...this is normal around here
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Obviously steers are worth more? They are edible beef not just something to breed more steers what did you think was gonna happen
Larry the steer guy thinks he so smart but God is always watching
Right now them heifers are worth more .
Somebody can someone please put English subtitles 😂😂😂
Steers bring more than heifers because if the heifer is bred, you are paying for weight that will be discarded.
Rate of gain is better on steers, steers will be bigger finished, and unless you feed something to something to stop heats, them bitches ride every month
Winter calves are an MFer, though 😢
But thiers a reason everyone tries to calve a certain time of yr is because of weather 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Did he really just base his livelihood off of market analysis of 1 and assume all factors the same for winter calving? I'm sure he's still working his operation this way, not because its efficient or more profitable, but because it would cost way too much to reset his calving cycle. The risks you know are always better than the learning cost of betting on an idea without proper research, planning, strategy, or true profit. As a farmer I see so many others think that more revenue is more profit and assuming no costs or risks overshadowing the sales.
Everyone is arguing about fall calves being difficult.
How yhe heck do you decide the gender?!
Not everybody calves in March.
SO find The Hole and fill it with profit
Cattleman of 45+ years.
Purebread Charolais. Never once did i make more on a bull calf than a heifer. Must be a volume thing.
My family has run simmental, limousine, short horn, herfords, and angus. The only time our heifers beat the steers is if they go for breeders
I calves in the fall
Supply and demand 101
Ohhh like Christmas trees
Did you ever consider taking those like kind heifers bred and synchronized to calve in a short calving duration. I had people begging for the opportunity to start a great cow herd. Or finish them and get paid on the rail. Breed Angus, and stay with proven genetcs. Can't loose
So doing the opposite of every other farmer was more profitable...interesting...tell us more
2+2=4
Funny. I run feeders also, dairy steers and heifers. The heifers sell better, they usually look better at 350 than the steers.
What do you expect from dairy
The lord is watching when y’all do all this devil science to make money
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So, Jacob was doing devil science?
I don’t think this guy has any idea what he’s talking about
We used to have a word for males who only wanted to be around other males
Warren Buffet 101-
Buy when others are selling
and
Sell when others are buying
th-cam.com/users/shortscvusSkNV0YY?si=4A34pRMgN4MIju1d
And he says cattle don’t make you money… well not when you triple your input cost to only get an extra 25% on your income… that decreases your profit…. Now down south where you can graze during the winter, yeah it might be a hair more profitable, but when you have anything less then a 4:1 stocking rate and you have to supply a large majority of their diets by hand feeding, then calving in the fall and hold the pairs through winter to sell in the spring doesn’t bring more profit
Autumn calving season sounds rrrreeeaaaallllllyyyy dumb to me.