Even though we didn't show it, we did use safety wire on the prop bolts. Our videos aren’t how-to videos (sometimes they're how-not-to, but that's besides the point). Either way, we don’t always show every detailed step in the process of each project we highlight, but rest assured we did use safety wire. Thanks for looking out for us! - K&L
You show enough detail of your projects so we have a good idea of what you are doing. We are happy your bottom project is finished and the new electric motor will serve you well. Keep us the positive attitudes and keep your smiles showing on every video. Blessing to you....
Hy Kirk ... by min 8;18 that very end of the prop , is a Grease point but did you greased the prop? Any how ...love your videos they are really inspiring.
I welded in a factory for 6 years and have repaired plenty of tanks for people at home on the side. Just have to make sure it's cleaned out with Simple Green & water first to remove the residue, then grind out the weld and put down a new bead. "$300-$500 to repair the weld", that's crazy! Good for you for driving away - I would have done it for $50 if you had brought it cleaned. (FWIW, there's no chance in it blowing out new holes elsewhere in your tank since it's not sealed. You only have blowouts on sealed tanks.) Keep up the great videos!
Yup... I would only charge 1/2 that much ($200) if I had to bring my mobile rig to the boat yard. If they brought me the tank clean I would have done it for beer money. I would do Simple Green or any heavy degreaser for the first wash, but for final rinse I use MEK, its the only thing that really gives a good final rinse to get fuel residue out. Here is pro tip, some states don't sell MEK to the public, so go to home depot and get the Goof Off in the gallon tin for $30. It's 98% acetone but has 1% MEK and 1% Xyleen. Not only does it really flush out residue, its so thin that it would actually leak out of any pinholes in the welds to help you identify all the areas you need to grind. I'd also invest in quart of Red-Kote fuel tank liner, its only $40 from auto-parts stores. I've used it on my custom bike tanks and tank repairs to ensure any possible pin-holes are filled. When done correctly its like a plastic tank inside of your alloy tank. Side note, I hate aluminum tanks in boats, stainless steel is a better investment.
Glad someone else noticed that. I'd have suggested $50 & silicon bronze TIG braze. I've done more than a few tanks in this manner. Just need to be careful of the oils in diesel, so like you said, some de-greaser.
The trouble with trying to weld over contaminated aluminium is you end up with a very poor weld which is likely to leak. The only way to successfully repair that leak is to apply a patch over the corner so the weld is on clean metal.
This is quickly becoming my favorite sailing channel, big SLV fan like since the beginning, but they’ve become almost so instagrammy influencer type. You two are so real and unlike all the other channels. I’m learning so much from you guys please keep it up!
Agree. I've been watching SLV since episode #1. Fellow Aussies and all that. I love little Lennie. But I think that they have lost their appeal. They were nice, young Aussies and people you could relate to. Now it seems to me that they have lost their mojo. Sad.
My guess is they've installed it rotated by 90 degrees or so. As you said, better to investigate while on hard. Unscrewing tiny bolts underwater tends to be less than easy.
I was thinking as he was taking it apart that I would've made some witness marks on the blades and the housing so I would be sure to line it back up correctly. I don't think he heard me thinking about it though.
There are several REPUTABLE brands of fuel tank sealer available (KBS Coatings, POR-15). They all work from the inside. The key to all of them is cleaning. Use solvent (gasoline, alcohol, acetone) to rinse the tank out. Wash with HOT soapy water, rinse with fresh water. Blow dry. Acetone or brake cleaner is a good final cleaner because they do not leave any residue. Basically, pour the sealer in, rotate the tank so that all of the seams are coated. Leave stand so extra sealer goes into the corner where your known leak is. This stuff takes 24 hours to dry before you can refill the tank. I still would leave some "head space" (air) in the tank when filling, especially if it is before storage. Pressure from variations in temperature may have cause that pinhole.
Not to mention the exploited Peruvians that extracted the copper ore so yachties can have a false sense of security that their precious hulls may or may not be protected from ocean funk.
@@jeremyd9826 yeah most of the copper that's going good at Copper coat on boats what are people thinking and yes I've heard it works very well I watch many sailing channels and everybody that is put it on is very happy with the performance
@@MaShcode oh yeah exploited everyone and all that copper that goes in to a copper coat on a bottom have a boat oh yeah that is so much more than copper wire copper pipe copper this copper that and everything else oh get a life we're all exploited all of planet Earth all of us
Don't Do It. Don't trust JB Weld for fuel!!! MY Name is actually J.B. and as a mechanical designer and once licensed mechanic my advice is Don't Do It. While working though college I drove gravel trains in Michigan for years. They all had aluminum fuel tanks. JB Weld Never Worked. Get a proper weld. Good Luck I enjoy your videos.
I have been watching since before the boat. The one thought that keeps going through my feeble mind, two above average intellectuals, with good looks, mechanical skills, a can do attitude, met, realized they had the same dream and are willing to work very hard to achieve it, while sharing their journey with the rest of the world. Every week I'm still amazed and overjoyed. Thank you
Thoughts from a southern outdoorsy type and mechanic - (1) there are a lot of big cats in the southeast even though the wildlife people say they are rare - or here where they say they don't exist (2) moving turtles to the side of the road is a common thing here, sometimes people will turn around and backtrack to move a turtle - often you won't even get honked at (3) $500 for a weld is thievery (4) a wild hog will mess you up, stay away from them (5) the fastest way to get confident on something you don't know how to take apart is literally to take it apart. Welcome to the south ya'll.
Hey... You can weld tanks. The first welder, saying you can't weld, because there's fuel in the old weld... Then the second guy saying you can't weld, because hot gases will expand and push out the tank. No...if you weld it, the hot gases will expand right out of the open fill spout, and open lines that feeds fuel to the engine, and returns diesel to the tank. AND...sure, if you just drained the tank, there's residual fuel in the corroded leak area, and residual fumes in the tank. That could be explosive...but...just put some water, in the tank...and rinse it out. Water will drop thru the corroded spot too. Displacing any fuel. Ok...but....dependening where the leak is, in relationship to any tank openings. But...the fuel outlet hole is always the lowest point...where the corrosion will also be. AND....the fill spout hole will always be on top of the tank. Okay...so... You basically... Turn the tank, upside down, with the corroded spot facing up...and the fill the tank with water. And you can weld a tank...the water displaces the air and fuel vapors so it can't explode...and...the water absorbs any heat, from welding.. And the fuel oulet hole is still facing up, and is open, so the water and an tiny bit of air, surrounding where you weld...if it does expand, goes out the opening where the fuel would go to the engine. Because, where you weld, will not be below the water level, that's filled in the tank with water. Soo...you're good to go. Fuel tanks are welded all the time. And then two...you don't have to weld...you can braze weld with a torch. Or do mig weld. Anyway....no...it most certainly can be welded easily. OR....cut out the metal that is corroded, and weld in a brand new piece of metal. It shouldn't cost anywhere near, $500. I mean that's like an easy 2 hour job at the most, to cut it out, and weld in a new metal patch. Or braze weld it... 45minutes!! You must be in a VERY remote area. Take it to a busy commercial shipping port...as they do ALL kinds of metal fabrication repairs on commercial ships, or fishing boats. I mean you've got the tank out already...that's the worst battle. I mean...I had a 62' ketch, I chartered out all over the place, in 3rd world countries. Fix it right while ur there in the US. I mean yes...JB Weld is really good...but it's still not a weld.
Jeffery Jeffery the first welder saying there will be fuel in the weld (especially diesel) was correct. The chances of getting a good watertight weld would be low. That repair would require a patch fitted over the corner so the weld is applied to clean metal.
Before you install the fuel tank, I would recommend smoke testing the fuel tank before you reinstall. You'll need to cap off the big holes and have a small hole ready for the smoke tester to go into. Once you fill up your tank with smoke, you'll see if you have a leak or not... Also, any competent aluminum welder should know the tank is not going to blow apart from welding it. Diesel is a CI fuel (combustible ignition) - you have to have an extremely hot flame to ignite. Wish you guys were in CA, I would help you out.
Just cut the affected corner out with the grinder and cut a flat plate and get them to weld in place if you cover it , it’s going to fail as the corrosion stars from the inside out and the pointed corner could be a bad point can’t believe you can’t find someone to do that ,
I would be very cautious as well. Copper is really high on the galvanic scale. I had copper coat for three year on my boat, my prop started to be eaten like cheese.
I'm not trying to sound like a Mr.Badass but I've welded fuel tanks with fuel in them. I know it's too late but I just wanted to let you know. You have to make a few passes to boil out the fuel and the lay down a bead. For future?
Hello from Madison, OH on the shore of Lake Erie...from here, one can sail to anywhere on the planet. I love your channel! Thanks so much for sharing...all my best to you both.
Hi Guys... I have a T37 same vintage sent you the message about labour to do my tank... lol I was checking my cockpit drain hoses and they basically were rotten and collapsed with hand pressure. You may want to check those as well.
Diesel is stuck in wood cells, too thick to get out on its own. Use break cleaner to wash it out and clean up the residue. Also a good tip... if you know fuel is bound to get on your wood (teak deck when fueling for example) wet it with soapy water first so the pores are blocked, soap will bind the oil and carry it away. And if it does get on your wood lather it up with the break cleaner :)
Hey guys! Greetings from far and vast mother Russia. Maybe your channel is not the best one in terms of learning details about sailboats among other sailing channels (but still very useful). And it's probably not the best in terms of fantastic landscapes or brave ocean passages. But watching you is always a GREAT pleasure. I found 3 reasons, why: - Lauren is beautiful - you have really good background music - it's not about bragging, it's all about your love to live and to look around yourselves So thank you, and please keep going! Cheers!
Apparently Y'all found the two most INCOMPETENT WELDERS in the country !!!!......$50 ..20 minute job at most !!!!!!!!!!......and wouldn't heat over a couple inches from the weld.....I hate seeing people get ripped off !!!!....and a lot of so called welders can't weld aluminum and just wont tell you that
Love this channel. You two are so genuine and handle the many challenges of learning how to repair everything on your own with grace and humility! Good luck!
Where are you guys doing that refit, in a zoo? LOL lots of wildlife there. JB Weld is amazing stuff. I have a vehicle that's about 52% JB Weld and it's holding together great.
Unbelievable how you guys can make the “before the launch-journey” so exiting and entertaining... and the best part is, the greatest adventure (where we’re all dying to be part of) hasn’t even started yet!! 😄 I hope, on day, I will be able to achieve the same dream as you’ve been able to! Love you guys & the positive energy, Keep up with the vids & greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪
JB weld might work. 3M EC801 fuel tank sealer is way better. It's expensive, but if you go to a small general aviation airport they might just give you a little bit for that corner
I have unlimited love and respect to you two. You tackle every issue presented to you with patience and intelligence. Never letting anything stop your progress. Keep safe and healthy!
We fixed ours with West System epoxy, reinforced with fiberglass cloth, which is rated for diesel tank construction. But, I would feel fine with JB Weld, too. Enjoyed your video!
A little something I learned is that you can re-enforce JB weld with fiberglass mesh tape like in sheet rock tape. I tried it and worked great on motor cycle side carriers. Or I guess you can go crazy and just fiberglass the entire tank with epoxy, glass and then barrier coat.
Said it before and I'll say it again. Love you guys. You may have a few fears going into these projects but they go remarkably smoothly. Thanks for taking the time to film this stuff.
I’m a cranky old bastard....keep doing what your doing. It is sure cheering me up! Love that you guys are living life on your own terms. Slainte’ from NYC!
Jack Rabbit if you want stuff to stick to aluminium you need to acid etch it first with Alodine or alumiprep or similar otherwise it will just fall right off.
As a veteran sailor in Australia, this is what we say...Its like standing under a cold shower tearing up $100 bills. I worked out the cost of owning a 34' yacht in above average condition over a 5 year period, excluding purchase price...it was $30,000pa. That did not include mooring or marina fees which in Australia would have added $500-1000pm alone) As I am retired and on a fixed income, I simply could not afford that. I was happy to sell it and let someone else pay the bills. Now I sail with my mate and watch him spend his money instead.
Hi Kirk and Lauren. I Realy enjoyed watching you again! Thank you so much! Is it perhaps a good idea to put an oil resistant foil under the tank? You never know .. And, .. I hope the prop will work!
Another fantastic video from you 2......I myself have had several boats(3)but they were all motorboats.....And I thought doing all the maintenance and repairs myself was quite a lot of work even though it was very satisfying to do.....But working on and maintaining a sailboat is quite a different animal all together.....And that's not even mentioning the monetary value most sailboats are over a motorboat. I guess you 2 can just be glad you are young and ambitious enough to tackle all that a sailboat requires.....Looking forward too seeing you getting on the water again.
Unlike gasoline tanks, Diesel tanks are safe to weld. Leave the cap off, fill it almost full of water (water should not contact the weld area, grind it out and Tig weld it. Should run about $150. Easy. JB weld won't be permanent. If you avoid welding, use gas tank sealer - it works well.
The copper coat paint looks fantastic.....but, I think I’m going to stick to Petit Trinidad SR. I get mostly 4 years plus of a 2 coat application, and by that time, all the copper has leached out, most of the binder is gone from the paint, and what is left, it’s being held by moss, and the critters, and a good power washing and sanding with 80 grit does a pretty good prep job, for the next 2 coats. I know, that probably those coatings maybe the future...but this dog is too old to learn new tricks! I’ve enjoyed it though!
LOVE Bobcats ... we have a resident one that I am privileged to see about every three months! He/She comes strolling though my yard a few times a year. Beautiful!
Next time crush up the cat litter a little bit before using it will work even better. Walking on it on a cement surface then shovel it back into bag would work well.
Just an FYI, Fastenal sells a really kick ass oil dry (kitty litter). I don't remember what it's called, but if you walk in and ask for their best oil dry, they'll know what you mean. It's kind of pricey, but it's really good.
That was probably a Florida panther! It's a real thing. I grew up in Crystal River and actually petted on during a high school endangered species event. It was the 80s. They thought letting teens pet a mostly wild animal was okay. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther
The JB weld idea was ok but you should have done what auto and bike restorations use and that’s called Kreem. Available on Amazon and other sellers. I’ve been using it for years even on small tanks like lawnmowers. To Ducat motorcycles. Sorry for the late advice.
diesel fuel is not volatile like gasoline...…... diesel ignites under compression not fire, you can weld inside a diesel tank, it's not going to blow up, it's only kerosene, think about that then, have you ever seen a kerosene lamp explode? nope........everyone is correct in the comments about trying to rip you off for a 50 dollar weld job....oh and JB weld is great stuff, I used it on all kinds of metals, no worries there
The prop pitch in either direction is off by a country mile. Don't launch until you get that sorted or you'll have to figure it out underwater in the marina. Epoxy and fiberglass tape to repair the tank permanently in my experience.
I so worry about people sanding toxic hulls. You really need full body suits, positive pressure respirators air sourced remotely up wind. Not that im parranoid, but if you do basic research blood toxicity levels are high even when using a standard mask. Stay safe, be careful!
JB Weld in this case is a poor band-aide (I use tons of it) it isn't good for aluminum or fuel tanks (been there done that), you'll be removing it again and lets hope it doesn't let loose 1200 miles from land,...That being said all you have to do to weld it safely is to run a hose from a car/truck exhaust into the neck of the tank. As long as the exhaust is flowing you can grind and weld to your hearts content.Been there done that as well....
Funny I just got a call 4 days ago about JB Weld. I had fixed a cracked bloke on the boat 16 years ago. But now has water in the oil to. Think it was not winterized good enough.
Dont use AF on your shaft!! If its a good shaft it wont corrode or get a lot of shells. But we always use lanolin fat in our yard (dirt cheap). Its a strong anhydride, thats why it works so well :) .Here in Germany you can get it at a pharmacy, dont know about the us.
a momma pig WILL charge you if her piglets are between you and her. i say this having been charged while on horseback under similar circumstances. i can't say whether it was a bluff or not, but i CAN say that my horse was convinced she meant it, and turned tail and ran off as fast as he could.
Two things....first the tank can be repaired. No question. Speaking from experience, I cleaned it out thoroughly, cut the entire bottom off, and just welded a new bottom panel on (not me, a local welder). In my case the entire bottom of the tank was riddled with pinholes, so you won't have to go that far. I can't remember how the interior baffles were handled, but it was not that hard. 15 years ago, and still OK. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, it looks like your exterior water strainer for the engine intake is installed backwards. The open slots on the strainer should face backwards to the stern, not forward to the bow. I might be wrong about this, because the scene I noticed it in was very brief, but it is something that needs attention if that is the case. Can create over pressure situation and result in water forced into cylinders. You likely have not had any issues, but something to check into at some point. Water can leak past the impeller when you are under sail from the pressure of water flow. There is also an interesting article at the "marine how to" site that Rod Collins maintains on how these external strainers can be a problem for barnacle growth inside the strainer. He also discussed external water strainer orientation. See this link: marinehowto.com/external-strainers-omg/ I got rid of mine entirely and can now "rod out" any blockage from inside the boat safely.
Gray grease, or Frosting. You guys are so great together, as long as Beautiful young runner does not get killed by a mother hog! Be well, keep the video's coming. 😉
All these young people pouring their hearts into old worthless pieces of fiberglass.. I truly saddens me. I wish sailing was more affordable and you didn't need a 1980s boat to be able to do it.
As we know your videos are behind, so the tank has already started to leak again, because if it is aluminum, jbweld (epoxy) will not stick for long unless the material is absolutely clean which it can't be in those conditions.
I really wouldn't feel safe about using J-B Weld on your gas tank all the work you did to take that out and put it back in do it right. Diesel fuel it's not really explosive. I think you were being scammed and what they wanted to charge you to weld that.
You had a smart welder that suggested JB weld. I welded for a living. Had a friend that welded lots of tanks until one day boom, ended up in the hospital for a week. The other welder didn't want to weld it either that why the high price. The plus side you escaped any liberality just in case. Can it be done yes , but ......
Best way to clean a fuel tank is what you did, take it out, add a decrease product, then soapy water and pebbles then shake turning and turning. Tig welding would be my choice. Ya both a great team and also buddies, thanks for sharing.
I know it might be too late but I would recommend you drill an inspection port on the tank, above the deepest point. Then you will be able to clean the water out of the tank once in a while and prevent more corrosion. Also, by having access to the inside of the tank, put some more of the JB weld where the holes were. That will give you double peace of mind. Cheers, Richard
I love the way you guys are growing together as a young couple through the mishaps & hardships that life's adventures throw at you. It's Just so nice to see. On a funny note, I'm watching this space with anticipation to see how long the makeshift repair on the fuel tank will last. It was such a Melodrama watching you getting it out, I want to see the look on your face when you realise you have the joy of repeating the exercise again ;)
Beware wild hogs, those things can be mean! You guys are awesome, I feel like I need to watch one of these to psych myself up whenever I’m about to tackle something new!
Looking at you and other young couples fixing their old boat and spending mouths in an hot and dirty boat yard make me appreciate my confortable and clean office where I work. I will suck it up a year or two more so I can afford to buy a more recent boat. But then again, as soon as you put the boat in the water, I will be very jealous. Can wait for next episode now.
I have welded numerous amounts of fuel tanks, whether it be gasoline or diesel the trick is to fill the tank with water up to the point where you are welding it. But I absolutely agree with using JB Weld. I have used it on parts on my vibrating Harley for years and it has never let me down.
Jb weld on a vessel that your life depends on. I saw a half million $ sail boat 4 of a kind sink a while back because the owners had no clue how to work on a boat and a duck tape fix that one might think was unrelated to floating at first thought sank them 200 miles in to a 1400 mile trip.
The welder who suggested welding the tank would cause such a pressure buildup in the tank is being ridiculous. The tank would have no caps on it during the welding process and the heat actually required to weld that little spot is relatively low. The pressure buildup would literally be zero. The overall ambient temp in the tank would probably get a lot hotter just sitting in the hot boat that what welding that tiny corner would cause.
Even though we didn't show it, we did use safety wire on the prop bolts. Our videos aren’t how-to videos (sometimes they're how-not-to, but that's besides the point). Either way, we don’t always show every detailed step in the process of each project we highlight, but rest assured we did use safety wire. Thanks for looking out for us! - K&L
You show enough detail of your projects so we have a good idea of what you are doing. We are happy your bottom project is finished and the new electric motor will serve you well. Keep us the positive attitudes and keep your smiles showing on every video. Blessing to you....
Hy Kirk ... by min 8;18 that very end of the prop , is a Grease point but did you greased the prop? Any how ...love your videos they are really inspiring.
We did, we carry a grease gun onboard for just this very purpose.
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That's a 1hr to 1 1/2 hr wedding job . JB weld not good 😐. It not a big deal to tig weld.
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I welded in a factory for 6 years and have repaired plenty of tanks for people at home on the side. Just have to make sure it's cleaned out with Simple Green & water first to remove the residue, then grind out the weld and put down a new bead. "$300-$500 to repair the weld", that's crazy! Good for you for driving away - I would have done it for $50 if you had brought it cleaned. (FWIW, there's no chance in it blowing out new holes elsewhere in your tank since it's not sealed. You only have blowouts on sealed tanks.) Keep up the great videos!
I got to get too Florida started welding shop I would’ve done that for some cold corona beer
Yup... I would only charge 1/2 that much ($200) if I had to bring my mobile rig to the boat yard. If they brought me the tank clean I would have done it for beer money. I would do Simple Green or any heavy degreaser for the first wash, but for final rinse I use MEK, its the only thing that really gives a good final rinse to get fuel residue out. Here is pro tip, some states don't sell MEK to the public, so go to home depot and get the Goof Off in the gallon tin for $30. It's 98% acetone but has 1% MEK and 1% Xyleen. Not only does it really flush out residue, its so thin that it would actually leak out of any pinholes in the welds to help you identify all the areas you need to grind. I'd also invest in quart of Red-Kote fuel tank liner, its only $40 from auto-parts stores. I've used it on my custom bike tanks and tank repairs to ensure any possible pin-holes are filled. When done correctly its like a plastic tank inside of your alloy tank. Side note, I hate aluminum tanks in boats, stainless steel is a better investment.
They saw boat owner's and tried to cash in.
Glad someone else noticed that. I'd have suggested $50 & silicon bronze TIG braze. I've done more than a few tanks in this manner. Just need to be careful of the oils in diesel, so like you said, some de-greaser.
The trouble with trying to weld over contaminated aluminium is you end up with a very poor weld which is likely to leak. The only way to successfully repair that leak is to apply a patch over the corner so the weld is on clean metal.
This is quickly becoming my favorite sailing channel, big SLV fan like since the beginning, but they’ve become almost so instagrammy influencer type. You two are so real and unlike all the other channels. I’m learning so much from you guys please keep it up!
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Agree. I've been watching SLV since episode #1. Fellow Aussies and all that. I love little Lennie. But I think that they have lost their appeal. They were nice, young Aussies and people you could relate to. Now it seems to me that they have lost their mojo. Sad.
Yeah the first 2 years they came across as genuine and with out any pretence..nothing like now ...been off my subscribe list for a few months now ...
I dropped SLV when they took Greta onboard.
That sure doesn't look like enough prop pitch in F or R.
I would investigate further before launching just to be certain.
My guess is they've installed it rotated by 90 degrees or so. As you said, better to investigate while on hard. Unscrewing tiny bolts underwater tends to be less than easy.
I think your right... i found out the hard way
AGREE !! THAT PROP PITCH IS WAY OFF. And IN the water is the last place to. Make repairs.
I was thinking as he was taking it apart that I would've made some witness marks on the blades and the housing so I would be sure to line it back up correctly. I don't think he heard me thinking about it though.
agreed. while it’s a given that you want less pitch to move a large displacement hull efficiently, this looks to be almost no pitch.
There are several REPUTABLE brands of fuel tank sealer available (KBS Coatings, POR-15). They all work from the inside. The key to all of them is cleaning. Use solvent (gasoline, alcohol, acetone) to rinse the tank out. Wash with HOT soapy water, rinse with fresh water. Blow dry. Acetone or brake cleaner is a good final cleaner because they do not leave any residue.
Basically, pour the sealer in, rotate the tank so that all of the seams are coated. Leave stand so extra sealer goes into the corner where your known leak is. This stuff takes 24 hours to dry before you can refill the tank.
I still would leave some "head space" (air) in the tank when filling, especially if it is before storage. Pressure from variations in temperature may have cause that pinhole.
same thing I was going to say... would rather do that than weld it. but jbweld will work in the meantime
Another sloshing compound
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Why don't you go for a plastic fueltank, no more worries, probably a lot cheaper plus less weight?
I think that was a cougar and not a bobcat. it was way to large
No, it was either a large bobcat or a lynx. A cougar would have had a long, flowing tail shaped like a crescent. My guess is lynx.
A Lynx in South Florida? No, it was a Bobcat as their range is far greater than the Lynx.
Yeah no lynx in the south. 100% bobcat.
Jack Smith definitely not a cougar. Or a lynx.
I've noticed the size, too, and wondered. But the tail said unequivocally it's a bobcat. So, it's a large bobcat!
I’m dumbfounded by how difficult and complex the copper coat process was. It better work great for years!!!!
Brett Agostini terrible! No wonder nobody else does it.
Not to mention the exploited Peruvians that extracted the copper ore so yachties can have a false sense of security that their precious hulls may or may not be protected from ocean funk.
@@MaShcode yep, that's definitely what most of the mined copper goes to... making coppercoat...
@@jeremyd9826 yeah most of the copper that's going good at Copper coat on boats what are people thinking and yes I've heard it works very well I watch many sailing channels and everybody that is put it on is very happy with the performance
@@MaShcode oh yeah exploited everyone and all that copper that goes in to a copper coat on a bottom have a boat oh yeah that is so much more than copper wire copper pipe copper this copper that and everything else oh get a life we're all exploited all of planet Earth all of us
Don't Do It. Don't trust JB Weld for fuel!!! MY Name is actually J.B. and as a mechanical designer and once licensed mechanic my advice is Don't Do It. While working though college I drove gravel trains in Michigan for years. They all had aluminum fuel tanks. JB Weld Never Worked. Get a proper weld. Good Luck I enjoy your videos.
Red-Kote all the way!!!!
I have been watching since before the boat. The one thought that keeps going through my feeble mind, two above average intellectuals, with good looks, mechanical skills, a can do attitude, met, realized they had the same dream and are willing to work very hard to achieve it, while sharing their journey with the rest of the world. Every week I'm still amazed and overjoyed.
Thank you
Thanks Vern!
JB Weld been there done that twice. It will not last. I did it because I could easily access the crack. Start planning for a new tank.
Thoughts from a southern outdoorsy type and mechanic - (1) there are a lot of big cats in the southeast even though the wildlife people say they are rare - or here where they say they don't exist (2) moving turtles to the side of the road is a common thing here, sometimes people will turn around and backtrack to move a turtle - often you won't even get honked at (3) $500 for a weld is thievery (4) a wild hog will mess you up, stay away from them (5) the fastest way to get confident on something you don't know how to take apart is literally to take it apart.
Welcome to the south ya'll.
Hooray Spirit 1.0! That is what we have been looking at purchasing. :)
"My first hog sighting..." For the second, go by Shoney's All You Can Eat Breakfast bar on a Saturday morning.
Hey...
You can weld tanks.
The first welder, saying you can't weld, because there's fuel in the old weld...
Then the second guy saying you can't weld, because hot gases will expand and push out the tank.
No...if you weld it, the hot gases will expand right out of the open fill spout, and open lines that feeds fuel to the engine, and returns diesel to the tank.
AND...sure, if you just drained the tank, there's residual fuel in the corroded leak area, and residual fumes in the tank. That could be explosive...but...just put some water, in the tank...and rinse it out. Water will drop thru the corroded spot too. Displacing any fuel.
Ok...but....dependening where the leak is, in relationship to any tank openings. But...the fuel outlet hole is always the lowest point...where the corrosion will also be. AND....the fill spout hole will always be on top of the tank.
Okay...so...
You basically...
Turn the tank, upside down, with the corroded spot facing up...and the fill the tank with water. And you can weld a tank...the water displaces the air and fuel vapors so it can't explode...and...the water absorbs any heat, from welding.. And the fuel oulet hole is still facing up, and is open, so the water and an tiny bit of air, surrounding where you weld...if it does expand, goes out the opening where the fuel would go to the engine.
Because, where you weld, will not be below the water level, that's filled in the tank with water. Soo...you're good to go. Fuel tanks are welded all the time.
And then two...you don't have to weld...you can braze weld with a torch. Or do mig weld.
Anyway....no...it most certainly can be welded easily. OR....cut out the metal that is corroded, and weld in a brand new piece of metal.
It shouldn't cost anywhere near, $500. I mean that's like an easy 2 hour job at the most, to cut it out, and weld in a new metal patch.
Or braze weld it...
45minutes!!
You must be in a VERY remote area. Take it to a busy commercial shipping port...as they do ALL kinds of metal fabrication repairs on commercial ships, or fishing boats.
I mean you've got the tank out already...that's the worst battle.
I mean...I had a 62' ketch, I chartered out all over the place, in 3rd world countries.
Fix it right while ur there in the US. I mean yes...JB Weld is really good...but it's still not a weld.
Jeffery Jeffery the first welder saying there will be fuel in the weld (especially diesel) was correct. The chances of getting a good watertight weld would be low. That repair would require a patch fitted over the corner so the weld is applied to clean metal.
Before you install the fuel tank, I would recommend smoke testing the fuel tank before you reinstall. You'll need to cap off the big holes and have a small hole ready for the smoke tester to go into. Once you fill up your tank with smoke, you'll see if you have a leak or not... Also, any competent aluminum welder should know the tank is not going to blow apart from welding it. Diesel is a CI fuel (combustible ignition) - you have to have an extremely hot flame to ignite. Wish you guys were in CA, I would help you out.
Far too late for that, they installed the tank a year ago. This late Feb/early Mar 2019.
Just cut the affected corner out with the grinder and cut a flat plate and get them to weld in place if you cover it , it’s going to fail as the corrosion stars from the inside out and the pointed corner could be a bad point can’t believe you can’t find someone to do that ,
That's exactly what we were hoping we could get a welder to do.
I would research putting copper coat on the prop shaft you may be creating electrolyses do to dissimilar metals >>> stainless and copper
The shaft is isolated from the copper via the ceramic barrier coat.
I would be very cautious as well. Copper is really high on the galvanic scale. I had copper coat for three year on my boat, my prop started to be eaten like cheese.
I'm not trying to sound like a Mr.Badass but I've welded fuel tanks with fuel in them. I know it's too late but I just wanted to let you know. You have to make a few passes to boil out the fuel and the lay down a bead. For future?
I used Marine Tex (pretty much the same as JB Weld) on my T34-II fuel tank welds ~5yrs ago and they haven't weeped since.
Fantastic 👍
Hello from Madison, OH on the shore of Lake Erie...from here, one can sail to anywhere on the planet. I love your channel! Thanks so much for sharing...all my best to you both.
Hi Guys... I have a T37 same vintage sent you the message about labour to do my tank... lol I was checking my cockpit drain hoses and they basically were rotten and collapsed with hand pressure. You may want to check those as well.
Thanks Jeff last we checked they were solid as a rock, but they do make me nervous. They are very near the water line...
Diesel is stuck in wood cells, too thick to get out on its own. Use break cleaner to wash it out and clean up the residue. Also a good tip... if you know fuel is bound to get on your wood (teak deck when fueling for example) wet it with soapy water first so the pores are blocked, soap will bind the oil and carry it away. And if it does get on your wood lather it up with the break cleaner :)
Good for any fatty or oily work on boats!!
Hey guys! Greetings from far and vast mother Russia.
Maybe your channel is not the best one in terms of learning details about sailboats among other sailing channels (but still very useful). And it's probably not the best in terms of fantastic landscapes or brave ocean passages. But watching you is always a GREAT pleasure. I found 3 reasons, why:
- Lauren is beautiful
- you have really good background music
- it's not about bragging, it's all about your love to live and to look around yourselves
So thank you, and please keep going! Cheers!
JB Weld, the breakfast of champions!!!
Apparently Y'all found the two most INCOMPETENT WELDERS in the country !!!!......$50 ..20 minute job at most !!!!!!!!!!......and wouldn't heat over a couple inches from the weld.....I hate seeing people get ripped off !!!!....and a lot of so called welders can't weld aluminum and just wont tell you that
Realmente se pasaron con el trabajo del casco y el deposito de combustible.Amazing
Love this channel. You two are so genuine and handle the many challenges of learning how to repair everything on your own with grace and humility!
Good luck!
How excited did you guys squeal when you realised you had caught the bobcat on video? 'mazeballs!
Go Green! Awesome videos guys. Please stay safe & keep up the good work! Spartans DEFINITELY will.
Where are you guys doing that refit, in a zoo? LOL lots of wildlife there. JB Weld is amazing stuff. I have a vehicle that's about 52% JB Weld and it's holding together great.
Unbelievable how you guys can make the “before the launch-journey” so exiting and entertaining...
and the best part is, the greatest adventure (where we’re all dying to be part of) hasn’t even started yet!! 😄
I hope, on day, I will be able to achieve the same dream as you’ve been able to!
Love you guys & the positive energy,
Keep up with the vids &
greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪
JB weld might work. 3M EC801 fuel tank sealer is way better. It's expensive, but if you go to a small general aviation airport they might just give you a little bit for that corner
I've been a subscriber from the start. You two are amazing...
Boats yards suck! We just got out of ours! We're in Brunswick, GA finishing up.....
Can't anyone name a boat something simple, like 'Bob"?
I have unlimited love and respect to you two. You tackle every issue presented to you with patience and intelligence. Never letting anything stop your progress. Keep safe and healthy!
Excellent turtle impersonation from Lauren :-)
I admire you guys work ethic and that you'll take on any challenge.
We fixed ours with West System epoxy, reinforced with fiberglass cloth, which is rated for diesel tank construction. But, I would feel fine with JB Weld, too. Enjoyed your video!
A little something I learned is that you can re-enforce JB weld with fiberglass mesh tape like in sheet rock tape. I tried it and worked great on motor cycle side carriers. Or I guess you can go crazy and just fiberglass the entire tank with epoxy, glass and then barrier coat.
They have aluminum filler rods at harbor freight just for doing that kind of thing...they melt with a propane torch...basically aluminum brazing...
So happy to see you aren't Michigan fans LOL...you really got the shaft this episode...cheers!
You two are doing a great job...and the answer to your question is - NO - Boat projects never end - they are part of the adventure.....
i have the same electric outboard, love it! not as fast as a gas outboard, but so quiet and you feel so much greener!! hope you like it!!
Sweet! Glad to hear it!
Said it before and I'll say it again. Love you guys. You may have a few fears going into these projects but they go remarkably smoothly. Thanks for taking the time to film this stuff.
You guys are an amazing couple keep up the good work. It'll all pay off in the end.👏👏👏
I’m a cranky old bastard....keep doing what your doing. It is sure cheering me up! Love that you guys are living life on your own terms. Slainte’ from NYC!
For that tank, how about JB Weld along all the seams, sand to round over, then back with epoxy/fiberglass cloth tape?
Jack Rabbit if you want stuff to stick to aluminium you need to acid etch it first with Alodine or alumiprep or similar otherwise it will just fall right off.
As a veteran sailor in Australia, this is what we say...Its like standing under a cold shower tearing up $100 bills. I worked out the cost of owning a 34' yacht in above average condition over a 5 year period, excluding purchase price...it was $30,000pa. That did not include mooring or marina fees which in Australia would have added $500-1000pm alone) As I am retired and on a fixed income, I simply could not afford that. I was happy to sell it and let someone else pay the bills. Now I sail with my mate and watch him spend his money instead.
Hi Kirk and Lauren. I Realy enjoyed watching you again! Thank you so much! Is it perhaps a good idea to put an oil resistant foil under the tank? You never know .. And, .. I hope the prop will work!
Another fantastic video from you 2......I myself have had several boats(3)but they were all motorboats.....And I thought doing all the maintenance and repairs myself was quite a lot of work even though it was very satisfying to do.....But working on and maintaining a sailboat is quite a different animal all together.....And that's not even mentioning the monetary value most sailboats are over a motorboat.
I guess you 2 can just be glad you are young and ambitious enough to tackle all that a sailboat requires.....Looking forward too seeing you getting on the water again.
Unlike gasoline tanks, Diesel tanks are safe to weld. Leave the cap off, fill it almost full of water (water should not contact the weld area, grind it out and Tig weld it. Should run about $150. Easy. JB weld won't be permanent. If you avoid welding, use gas tank sealer - it works well.
Too bad you weren't a bit closer to Bradenton, FL. You could have had Ty or James from Cleetus McFarland's YT channel to do your welding.
Dude, as someone who works with a respirator daily, you can't make good contact with a BEARD!
Thank you for talking about the jack stands in a CopperCoat video. Nobody else talks about that.
The copper coat paint looks fantastic.....but, I think I’m going to stick to Petit Trinidad SR. I get mostly 4 years plus of a 2 coat application, and by that time, all the copper has leached out, most of the binder is gone from the paint, and what is left, it’s being held by moss, and the critters, and a good power washing and sanding with 80 grit does a pretty good prep job, for the next 2 coats. I know, that probably those coatings maybe the future...but this dog is too old to learn new tricks! I’ve enjoyed it though!
LOVE Bobcats ... we have a resident one that I am privileged to see about every three months! He/She comes strolling though my yard a few times a year. Beautiful!
Next time crush up the cat litter a little bit before using it will work even better. Walking on it on a cement surface then shovel it back into bag would work well.
Just an FYI, Fastenal sells a really kick ass oil dry (kitty litter). I don't remember what it's called, but if you walk in and ask for their best oil dry, they'll know what you mean. It's kind of pricey, but it's really good.
That was probably a Florida panther! It's a real thing. I grew up in Crystal River and actually petted on during a high school endangered species event. It was the 80s. They thought letting teens pet a mostly wild animal was okay.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther
The JB weld idea was ok but you should have done what auto and bike restorations use and that’s called Kreem. Available on Amazon and other sellers. I’ve been using it for years even on small tanks like lawnmowers. To Ducat motorcycles. Sorry for the late advice.
Should just get a normal fixed prop for simplicity sake.
diesel fuel is not volatile like gasoline...…... diesel ignites under compression not fire, you can weld inside a diesel tank, it's not going to blow up, it's only kerosene, think about that then, have you ever seen a kerosene lamp explode? nope........everyone is correct in the comments about trying to rip you off for a 50 dollar weld job....oh and JB weld is great stuff, I used it on all kinds of metals, no worries there
The prop pitch in either direction is off by a country mile. Don't launch until you get that sorted or you'll have to figure it out underwater in the marina. Epoxy and fiberglass tape to repair the tank permanently in my experience.
Thanks for the tip! This will come back up in about two episodes :)
everytime wonderfull to see a video from you. Greetings from germany
I so worry about people sanding toxic hulls. You really need full body suits, positive pressure respirators air sourced remotely up wind. Not that im parranoid, but if you do basic research blood toxicity levels are high even when using a standard mask. Stay safe, be careful!
JB Weld in this case is a poor band-aide (I use tons of it) it isn't good for aluminum or fuel tanks (been there done that), you'll be removing it again and lets hope it doesn't let loose 1200 miles from land,...That being said all you have to do to weld it safely is to run a hose from a car/truck exhaust into the neck of the tank. As long as the exhaust is flowing you can grind and weld to your hearts content.Been there done that as well....
Funny I just got a call 4 days ago about JB Weld. I had fixed a cracked bloke on the boat 16 years ago. But now has water in the oil to. Think it was not winterized good enough.
as always, great video! Thanks for your cheeful, persistent attitude.
Prop doesn't look right at all. Can't put it in the water before at least making some enquires.
Great channel. Thanks.
started watching the odd vids ya made & now lm addicted & have scribed
cheers from Down Under....
The projects end when you're happy with what you have. That does not include normal maintenance projects though.
Dont use AF on your shaft!! If its a good shaft it wont corrode or get a lot of shells. But we always use lanolin fat in our yard (dirt cheap). Its a strong anhydride, thats why it works so well :) .Here in Germany you can get it at a pharmacy, dont know about the us.
a momma pig WILL charge you if her piglets are between you and her. i say this having been charged while on horseback under similar circumstances. i can't say whether it was a bluff or not, but i CAN say that my horse was convinced she meant it, and turned tail and ran off as fast as he could.
The beard matches the copper coat bottom job. Coincidence? I think not. ;)
This channel is when dyi boating meets obsessive compulsive disorder...
Two things....first the tank can be repaired. No question. Speaking from experience, I cleaned it out thoroughly, cut the entire bottom off, and just welded a new bottom panel on (not me, a local welder). In my case the entire bottom of the tank was riddled with pinholes, so you won't have to go that far. I can't remember how the interior baffles were handled, but it was not that hard. 15 years ago, and still OK. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, it looks like your exterior water strainer for the engine intake is installed backwards. The open slots on the strainer should face backwards to the stern, not forward to the bow. I might be wrong about this, because the scene I noticed it in was very brief, but it is something that needs attention if that is the case. Can create over pressure situation and result in water forced into cylinders. You likely have not had any issues, but something to check into at some point. Water can leak past the impeller when you are under sail from the pressure of water flow. There is also an interesting article at the "marine how to" site that Rod Collins maintains on how these external strainers can be a problem for barnacle growth inside the strainer. He also discussed external water strainer orientation. See this link: marinehowto.com/external-strainers-omg/ I got rid of mine entirely and can now "rod out" any blockage from inside the boat safely.
Gray grease, or Frosting. You guys are so great together, as long as Beautiful young runner does not get killed by a mother hog! Be well, keep the video's coming. 😉
All these young people pouring their hearts into old worthless pieces of fiberglass.. I truly saddens me. I wish sailing was more affordable and you didn't need a 1980s boat to be able to do it.
As we know your videos are behind, so the tank has already started to leak again, because if it is aluminum, jbweld (epoxy) will not stick for long unless the material is absolutely clean which it can't be in those conditions.
I really wouldn't feel safe about using J-B Weld on your gas tank all the work you did to take that out and put it back in do it right. Diesel fuel it's not really explosive. I think you were being scammed and what they wanted to charge you to weld that.
You had a smart welder that suggested JB weld. I welded for a living. Had a friend that welded lots of tanks until one day boom, ended up in the hospital for a week. The other welder didn't want to weld it either that why the high price. The plus side you escaped any liberality just in case. Can it be done yes , but ......
At 1:30 you sure that was a bobcat?? It was pretty big, maybe a SQUATCH!! 😝
Best way to clean a fuel tank is what you did, take it out, add a decrease product, then soapy water and pebbles then shake turning and turning. Tig welding would be my choice.
Ya both a great team and also buddies, thanks for sharing.
Love, love, love your episodes. Can’t wait for the splash-down (in, on...doh)
Hopefully, barrier coat is not toxic! By the by, when are you going back on the water, and from where will you be out of??
I know it might be too late but I would recommend you drill an inspection port on the tank, above the deepest point. Then you will be able to clean the water out of the tank once in a while and prevent more corrosion. Also, by having access to the inside of the tank, put some more of the JB weld where the holes were. That will give you double peace of mind. Cheers, Richard
I love the way you guys are growing together as a young couple through the mishaps & hardships that life's adventures throw at you. It's Just so nice to see.
On a funny note, I'm watching this space with anticipation to see how long the makeshift repair on the fuel tank will last. It was such a Melodrama watching you getting it out, I want to see the look on your face when you realise you have the joy of repeating the exercise again ;)
You should check your propeller pitch before splashing the boat, it didn't look right.
Beware wild hogs, those things can be mean! You guys are awesome, I feel like I need to watch one of these to psych myself up whenever I’m about to tackle something new!
Looking at you and other young couples fixing their old boat and spending mouths in an hot and dirty boat yard make me appreciate my confortable and clean office where I work. I will suck it up a year or two more so I can afford to buy a more recent boat. But then again, as soon as you put the boat in the water, I will be very jealous. Can wait for next episode now.
Always great news to see your new video in my feed!
First time watching your show and really like it really like you guys so subscribing and you have a new loyal fan.
I have welded numerous amounts of fuel tanks, whether it be gasoline or diesel the trick is to fill the tank with water up to the point where you are welding it. But I absolutely agree with using JB Weld. I have used it on parts on my vibrating Harley for years and it has never let me down.
You might not want to be so friendly with a bore hog.. he won’t be friendly back.. 😬
Jb weld on a vessel that your life depends on. I saw a half million $ sail boat 4 of a kind sink a while back because the owners had no clue how to work on a boat and a duck tape fix that one might think was unrelated to floating at first thought sank them 200 miles in to a 1400 mile trip.
For hating work.....Kirk does a lot of it. Cool episode. Looking forward to a wet boat. :-)
You could always acid wash it & seal the fuel tank with red kote, had to due to rust on my SL... & no tanks made in 35yrs..
Love your videos and lifestyle !! what is the name of the song at around the 16:00 mark ????
The welder who suggested welding the tank would cause such a pressure buildup in the tank is being ridiculous. The tank would have no caps on it during the welding process and the heat actually required to weld that little spot is relatively low. The pressure buildup would literally be zero. The overall ambient temp in the tank would probably get a lot hotter just sitting in the hot boat that what welding that tiny corner would cause.