I was excited for this deck, & mybwife agreed to buy it for me for Christmas. I love the idea of all the win cons in 1 deck. I've got about $400 worth of add ins to modify this deck. I'm adding tutors, & cards to double counters/tokens, & a bunch more to really synergize this deck. It may no longer be a 20 ways to win, but it'll be more than 10 for sure.
Nice video! Solid ideas. Just a heads-up though, I think this is actually the 5th secret lair precon. There was the coin-flip deck, cats and dog deck, MDFC deck, and an angels deck.
So Helix Pinnacle isn't so bad if you have everflowing chalice and Astral Cornucopia if you include support to double the counters on those two cards. Counter doublers also serves as support for the counter win-cons too, so it feels like a decent plan
@@Codyjpeg it's a very cool idea to utilize double up to help expedite counters, just remember Helix Pinacle has Shroud so you cannot directly target it with spells or abilities. -Jon
I wish you both shared your improved lists! I loved red shirts concepts around skeletons for two or 3 decks. . Future answer: I bought it. And honoestly, just because the individual cards are worth more than the decklist with no special art, so it is a savings technically. But you guys hit the nail on the head for it not being consistent out of the box. Im breaking it down like your brother suggested for 3 decks.
I’m a little bummed it’s gotten as much hate as it has, I’ve been playing it out of the box against better tuned decks and still have fun seeing what I’m able to do during those games and seeing if maybe I do pull the right cards for one of my win cons. Its really enjoyable on its own which shouldn’t be overlooked, not every game has to be sweaty. It’s kool to see other people leaning into shrines the way I’d like to as well, cause I feel like there are various directions that it can be taken in as well but I’ve built and own better tuned decks and sometimes it’s nice to take break from them and switch it up.
as a new player my whole experience shifted when i stopped going to LGS to play with randos but instead started playing with a regular playgroup. the difference is immense, playing with randos is nice for draft and standard but who the hell would play boardgames with randos? who would hold a lan party with randos? Why are we playing a fun oriented card game with randos then? Makes no fucking sense lmao
Hi! I bought this deck, I love the premise of 20 alt win cons in one deck and I love the art. I am planning on making big adjustments, keeping all the alt-win cons (and maybe adding extra support to mill out players so I get that mill win con that’s they have on the checklist too) and trying to make as many of them as achievable as I can. I’m absolutely okay with it not being the strongest deck, as my main playgroup often plays slightly janky decks that try to do a specific weird thing anyway, so this is going to be perfect! I will probably go a different direction than you though, not adding any shrines and possibly picking a different commander as I already have a Shrines deck and I don’t think I want two decks with a pronounced Shrines theme (I’m very excited to finally have a gorgeous Go-Shintai of Life’s Origin printing to put in my Shrines deck though!!)
I bought it and I watched dudes that magic's vid on this they went a different route, i really like how you guys leaned into the shrines that being said with all the 1/1 creation why remove the yahenni pariah combo? I for one love Yahenni and may keep him, but both obviously more experienced magic players cut him, why is that? i'm new to the game it's my first year. Is it to free up space for all the new cards? I dunno may have a sweet spot for him, i get this isn't an arisocratic deck but like he was saying u can always add pariah back w Go shintai but it isn't worth it mana trade off wise, but to me wouldnt be worth it if u had yahenni on board pariah in grave and need to buy time? idk extremely situational and as i've typed more about it i see why people cut the combo. literally could just include walking balista and some other unobjectively good card like esper sentinel or authority of consuls I suppose.
@kobegrumbein5681 Cuts and adds are always subjective based on your preferred play style. Joseph, in this instance, leaned more into supporting the win cons utilizing life and counters but you can absolutely go the other direction for creatures and "rectangle theory" to win more with Halo Fountain, Liliana's Contract, or Biovisionary. -Jon
@@MTGThoughtcast i think i might cut Lilliana's contract n it's support add walking ballista Angel of Destiny and millennium calendar like you were talking about Jon, maybe authority of consuls. I'm so determined to make this wacky deck work!
@@MTGThoughtcast just pulled off a combo using auriok champion basking broodscale but not the typical way lol i put in a bunch of auriok champion loop cards and accidentally looped it with heliod lol instead of archangel of thrune or one of the untap when u heal cards just applied the counters on broodscale n it was basically infinite 0/1s that tap for colorless and infiinite counters w heliod! plus infinite heals so it was pretty bad ass to say the least, I only started playing mtg earlier this year
Too much hate for what is a fun goofy homebrew alt win deck that woulda cost double the price ordering the singles online. The only real issue is lack of Rhystic, Tithe, Esper, or Tutors. They knew they were being stingy not giving us at least one.
@@CourtJesterCowboy but see, it's not a goofy home brew, it's an official product, and not a cheap one! If they can give us $40 precons like Bloomburrow's four, they know how to juice these up and missed the mark! -Joseph
@@MTGThoughtcast It's literally just Daniel Holt's passion project on Secret Lair for fun? He was very open about it... They can't give us $250 worth of cards for $40.
@@CourtJesterCowboy oph they can absolutely. the value is hyper artificial anyway. they could even scrap the reserved list. but they wont cause they arer the cucks of neckbeard basement investors^^
I was excited for this deck, & mybwife agreed to buy it for me for Christmas. I love the idea of all the win cons in 1 deck. I've got about $400 worth of add ins to modify this deck. I'm adding tutors, & cards to double counters/tokens, & a bunch more to really synergize this deck. It may no longer be a 20 ways to win, but it'll be more than 10 for sure.
Sounds like a great direction to rebuild it! -Jon
Nice video! Solid ideas. Just a heads-up though, I think this is actually the 5th secret lair precon. There was the coin-flip deck, cats and dog deck, MDFC deck, and an angels deck.
@@JustaRookontheboard oh yes, Jon kindly corrected me on this later in the episode 😅 -Joseph
THIS IS THE GLUNTCH HOMIES BUTTON SMASH THAT THING 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇
So Helix Pinnacle isn't so bad if you have everflowing chalice and Astral Cornucopia if you include support to double the counters on those two cards. Counter doublers also serves as support for the counter win-cons too, so it feels like a decent plan
@@Codyjpeg it's a very cool idea to utilize double up to help expedite counters, just remember Helix Pinacle has Shroud so you cannot directly target it with spells or abilities. -Jon
I wish you both shared your improved lists! I loved red shirts concepts around skeletons for two or 3 decks. . Future answer: I bought it. And honoestly, just because the individual cards are worth more than the decklist with no special art, so it is a savings technically. But you guys hit the nail on the head for it not being consistent out of the box. Im breaking it down like your brother suggested for 3 decks.
@@TelesphoreArt Jon had some more conceptual ideas, but my improved deck list is in the description!! Thanks for watching :)
-Joseph
I now only respond to being called "Red Shirt" :D
@ Noted, Redshirt! 😂🏃♂️
I’m a little bummed it’s gotten as much hate as it has, I’ve been playing it out of the box against better tuned decks and still have fun seeing what I’m able to do during those games and seeing if maybe I do pull the right cards for one of my win cons. Its really enjoyable on its own which shouldn’t be overlooked, not every game has to be sweaty. It’s kool to see other people leaning into shrines the way I’d like to as well, cause I feel like there are various directions that it can be taken in as well but I’ve built and own better tuned decks and sometimes it’s nice to take break from them and switch it up.
@@dude21sup Glad to hear you've been enjoying it! -Jon
as a new player my whole experience shifted when i stopped going to LGS to play with randos but instead started playing with a regular playgroup. the difference is immense, playing with randos is nice for draft and standard but who the hell would play boardgames with randos? who would hold a lan party with randos? Why are we playing a fun oriented card game with randos then? Makes no fucking sense lmao
Hi!
I bought this deck, I love the premise of 20 alt win cons in one deck and I love the art. I am planning on making big adjustments, keeping all the alt-win cons (and maybe adding extra support to mill out players so I get that mill win con that’s they have on the checklist too) and trying to make as many of them as achievable as I can. I’m absolutely okay with it not being the strongest deck, as my main playgroup often plays slightly janky decks that try to do a specific weird thing anyway, so this is going to be perfect!
I will probably go a different direction than you though, not adding any shrines and possibly picking a different commander as I already have a Shrines deck and I don’t think I want two decks with a pronounced Shrines theme (I’m very excited to finally have a gorgeous Go-Shintai of Life’s Origin printing to put in my Shrines deck though!!)
@@Zwetschge114 this is awesome, thanks for the comment! Hoping you check all 20 boxes with ease!
-Joseph
I played against it with my gonti, canny aquisitor deck and stole triskideckaphile and won off card draw.
@@tedwasanasan3805 That's got to go down in history as one of the funniest wins you'll ever have! -Jon
decklist perhaps?
@@Scragore www.moxfield.com/decks/UsnQvB52IUqDxvpTKhgxWQ
Adding it to the description as well, thanks for the feedback! -Jon
It's in the description
You can watch the creator of this deck play it on commander at home.
Yeah, sick video!
do you happen to remember which ep. that was?
I bought it and I watched dudes that magic's vid on this they went a different route, i really like how you guys leaned into the shrines that being said with all the 1/1 creation why remove the yahenni pariah combo? I for one love Yahenni and may keep him, but both obviously more experienced magic players cut him, why is that? i'm new to the game it's my first year. Is it to free up space for all the new cards? I dunno may have a sweet spot for him, i get this isn't an arisocratic deck but like he was saying u can always add pariah back w Go shintai but it isn't worth it mana trade off wise, but to me wouldnt be worth it if u had yahenni on board pariah in grave and need to buy time? idk extremely situational and as i've typed more about it i see why people cut the combo. literally could just include walking balista and some other unobjectively good card like esper sentinel or authority of consuls I suppose.
@kobegrumbein5681 Cuts and adds are always subjective based on your preferred play style. Joseph, in this instance, leaned more into supporting the win cons utilizing life and counters but you can absolutely go the other direction for creatures and "rectangle theory" to win more with Halo Fountain, Liliana's Contract, or Biovisionary. -Jon
@@MTGThoughtcast i think i might cut Lilliana's contract n it's support add walking ballista Angel of Destiny and millennium calendar like you were talking about Jon, maybe authority of consuls. I'm so determined to make this wacky deck work!
@@kobegrumbein5681 We'd love to hear about the stupid wins you can achieve! -Jon
@@MTGThoughtcast will do! Do you guys have a discord?
@@MTGThoughtcast just pulled off a combo using auriok champion basking broodscale but not the typical way lol i put in a bunch of auriok champion loop cards and accidentally looped it with heliod lol instead of archangel of thrune or one of the untap when u heal cards just applied the counters on broodscale n it was basically infinite 0/1s that tap for colorless and infiinite counters w heliod! plus infinite heals so it was pretty bad ass to say the least, I only started playing mtg earlier this year
Too much hate for what is a fun goofy homebrew alt win deck that woulda cost double the price ordering the singles online. The only real issue is lack of Rhystic, Tithe, Esper, or Tutors. They knew they were being stingy not giving us at least one.
@@CourtJesterCowboy but see, it's not a goofy home brew, it's an official product, and not a cheap one! If they can give us $40 precons like Bloomburrow's four, they know how to juice these up and missed the mark!
-Joseph
@@MTGThoughtcast It's literally just Daniel Holt's passion project on Secret Lair for fun? He was very open about it...
They can't give us $250 worth of cards for $40.
I like this Deck how it is. It is not so spicy.
@@CourtJesterCowboy oph they can absolutely. the value is hyper artificial anyway. they could even scrap the reserved list. but they wont cause they arer the cucks of neckbeard basement investors^^