Me too, and that's what made the Hallmark such an appealing option. At the time I could not afford the Hallmark, so I got a FWC Grandby (less than 30K, just about every option, 2 years ago.) running on a RAM 3500 with Carli Pintop suspension on 37" Toyo tires. I've been 100% happy with this. Someday I will go for the Hallmark, not for a shortage of love for my FWC, but mostly so I can get the electric jacks for raising the roof. It's pretty easy to do, so long as you don't have any thing mounted on the top of the roof. Then... it can get a little tough to lift.
@@ftkobbe - I originally thought I wanted a hallmark (small h) Milner but they are way too heavy for the type of extreme off-roading I do with my Power Wagon here in the Southwest. Very happy with my Hawk, but in the future I'm kinda interested in Bison's flatbed offering.
Agreed. It's a nice unit, but you can't say a camper "has it all" if it doesn't have a toilet. And for that much cash, A/C and thermal insulation in the tent should be included.
For that size even a 4k btu unit would work. You could use those tiny suitcase inverter generators. But yes I would never pay 30k for that. I'd rather buy a towable tiny camper instead
Beyond sweet truck. Love you guys, love the videos. Other than hot water, it’s basically a $30,000 tent. No restroom, no shower. Seems like it should cost 10,000 max
I disagree. You couldn't even buy the raw materials and components in these for $10k. Aluminum frame/siding/roof, cushions, countertops, cabinets and hardware, vents, fans, windows, sink, pump, two agm batteries, stovetop, plywood floorpack, fridge, furnace, water heater, led lights inside and out, wiring, breakers, relays, battery charger, solar panel and controller, etc. Be realistic. Two agm batteries are $500. Furnace $600. Fantastic fan vent $200. Fridge $800. Buy a piece of 3" foam for a matress is $150 without a sewn fabric cover. $30k is a lot of money, no doubt, but that is different than these being priced wrong. All those components add up fast. Now, pay someone to weld the frame, wire it, build cabinets, sew cushions, install fridge, furnace, fans, solar, stove, sink/plumbing, etc. Think about it by component and you see why they cost so much.
MrChadx1 ---that’s the price of a fully loaded Honda Accord, the accord has way more components than that camper, so you are saying the accord should be like $60,000 because everything in it really adds up?
@@ULSB1969 Well, car manufactures don't really make a whole lot of money on a new car, they also sell millions of them, so they can make a couple hundred bucks on each one and be fine. FWC is a small(er) company, based in California now where wages and legislation is expensive. These could be 10k dollars or 15k dollars if we returned to an actual capitalism economy. But that's beyond the point. The point of these isn't to be cheap but to be well made in materials, workmanship, and warrantied well, that's expensive. Go read forums on any camper site and you'll see these large campers / fifth wheels that are 40, 50, 60, 70, 100k dollars falling apart after the first time they're used, you wanna know why? Because they prioritize price before the components and workmanship going into it. And good luck getting one of those fixed under 'warranty' lol.
nobody buys these things with cash... they spread the payments over eight years so you pay like 59 dollars a month... full sized RV's are the same way. not many people buy them outright... that way you can afford to use it
I’ve got a Hawk on my F-150. It’s great, light weight, functional. Mine weighs 945 pounds. Ordered the Hawk Shell and had it custom built for me. Ordered the furnace and 2 burner stove, solar and foldout couch, good for traveling. You can pull off the road and not pop the roof up.
They're doing their trip off road so it's unlikely there will be too many places to plug in. Carrying a big enough generator to run A/C really isn't practical in this type of rig either.
@@sonictech1000 there are plenty of smaller inverter generators that would store easily inside the camper (during travel) or on a hitch carrier. No reason to not have AC anywhere you want, especially for $30k.
@@jimmieclark6393 Storage in a pop up truck camper is REALLY limited and you typically need a 3kw generator to run an A/C unit. That's way too big to put inside. . If you put the generator on a receiver mounted carrier that will really hurt departure angle and probably break somewhere along the way. They would also need to carry additional fuel and fuel is already going to be a problem for them.
@@sonictech1000 One or two small Honda generators will power the AC and they are easy to store. It’s nice to have power if you are actually isolated in the outdoors.
@@joshuabarton2519 Truck campers like that are extremely limited on storage space and few AC units will run reliably on anything less than 3kw. Plus you are going to have to store all that fuel somewhere.
@@dickyarger2945 Because diesels are expensive and useless, With the EPA and emissions you can't delete them so eventually you'll be paying a lot money just to keep the emissions system working.
These campers are over priced junk compared to how they were used to be made....I have a 1982 SunLite pop up and it far exceeds this low cheap materials crap......
Whaaaaaat!!? 35 grand and it doesn't have a/c? My 1986 camper has ac and I promise you that is the only thing that matters if you camp where it is hot.
All the complaints about price makes me realize not many have priced these type of campers. They have a waiting list to get one. The used campers are damn near as much as new ones. Try finding a used one for sale, lol few and far between. These are made to handle the off road environment and to be light weight. Less than 1/2 the weight of a hard side truck camper and will last 20+ years.
I would love one of these some day, but I'd go for the flat bed models with a tray bed replacement on my truck. I don't understand why people complain about quality products that go for a premium price. You can buy a $60 pair of dress shoes and wear them for 1 year or you can buy a $400 pair and wear them for 20 years. Same goes for campers.
You new to the camping world? Spend all your money on gear and you'll be busy working trying to pay for it, and not camping. There is not a 7" camper on this planet worth $30K.
@@donleamon8653 you might with a smaller one. Go ahead. Waste your money on a 32k tent. Besides, you know these guys aren't taking this on the Rubicon. 🙄 No way that camper is worth 32k friendo.
@@paulmadkow9143 No way an earth roamer is worth 1.5 million either. But you can't take this dumb made up fiat currency with you so you may as well buy what makes you happy. FWC was founded on making small light weight campers for small trucks back in the 70's and 80s'. They have models as low as 800 to 900 pounds, which means a 1/4 ton truck or 'Midsize' truck can handle one. They even make small 5' ones for super short beds. Find me a lance camper that can do that? Oh, you can't. That's the entire market that they're building these for and have been building them for, it isn't to replace your lance camper on your HD Truck lol. Btw your lance is probably garbage in comparison to this camper, as far as construction goes. So you'll be buying a new one in 10 years anyway when this FWC will be here for 50 years with good care, even longer.
It's hilarious looking through the comments. It shows how cheap people are. There is a reason these campers are so expensive. Quality and demand. Obviously FWC isn't going out of business anytime soon. I'll add that I love my FWC. I've had it for a few years now.
People will always complain about price when they have zero idea of R&D, material, labor and general overhead costs. FWC has been around for like 50 years, clearly they know their market and how to price their offerings. The price complainers drive me crazy.
The negative comments are likely from folks that have not priced truck campers lately. Amazing it only weighs 1350+ lbs. I would spec it with AC and cassette toilet. Very nice!
Comments are so ignorantly funny on here. The whole idea of a FWC is to go where there is no 30 amp hookups for A/C! There are floorplans that allow for cassette or portable toilets if that is what you want. Further, FWC's hold their value extremely well, because they actually hold up to hard off-road use.
These campers are over priced junk compared to how they were used to be made....I have a 1982 SunLite pop up and it far exceeds this low cheap materials crap......
I'm looking for a truck camper and people keep telling me about the pop ups. While I love the look and feel, I'm looking for more of a small apartmentish setting instead of really overlapping. It's so nice though. Thanks for the view
All I can say is I like hard sided truck campers because you don't loose cabinet space. I have had my eye on a Lance 650 if I got a trail boss but now I'm thinking 4Runner. But you never know. I use to have a F150 Regular cab with 8 food box and had a hard sided truck camper and loved it. Enjoy your new camper.
😀 Nice review. We own a 2021 Granby (shell model) sitting on our 2002 Ford Super-duty super cab (8ft bed) F250 7.3 Power-stroke Diesel. We get an average 18-19 MPG and so glad we sold our heavy tall 8.6 overhead camper. So we chose to save $15K and purchase the Shell and outfit ours the way we wanted and for the way we use it. We don't full time or do cold winter camping. I built bigger cabinets (more storage) and larger drawers, added a water pump and we use portable water containers.and have a portable black water under the sink.. The most expensive thing was our Bluetti AC 2000 watt power station and two Renogy 2000 watts flexible solar panels on the roof (I installed it all). Added a front bench hiding the port-pot (never used) and water, a Logoon table, 12v 54 qt portable chest Fridge/Freezer and we have a MR. Heater that hasn't been used but twice.. So we love it because its light weight and we can pull our 14' aluminum Klamath fishing boat with ease.. Again, I love your channel and all of the reviews! Thanks
Yeah... that almost puts you in Sportsmobile territory. Too bad Ford dropped the E350 with the diesel motor. Still a little less expensive than a Earth Roamer :-)
I just bought a used topper for my 92 Chevy that is like new condition and I'm going to build my own platform and put a real queen size bed inside it.. I will have two feet behind the bed for whatever I want to bring with me plus room for totes underneath the bed.. I spent $600 on a custom sized short queen mattress the whole thing will cost me under $1,000 and it's all I need
This would be so great to have in KSA. Some really great adventures could be had. I do wonder, US trucks are really fussy when it comes to diesel type. I wonder if the diesel on the local market would be OK for it. I do see a lot of Raptors over there, but not many Ford Diesel trucks.
If you already own an HD truck and you are a solo camper looking to get off the grid and off the beaten path, this may be the rig for you. Great video review.
I had one & paid $32K-ish. I loved it, when you compare what a sprinter van cost & gets you, this is a bargain. Plus the truck you put is on can go far more places than a van in most cases. But, I did sell my FWC because they are small, went with a class C.
Andre there is a couple traveling all over the world in a older version of this camper. It is stuck on an older Defender. (Tommy may like it) They have been all over europe, asia, australia and in Japan now. Channel is grizzlynbear overland if you are interested. Nice review be ready for the dumb comments they will fly, people have no idea of the cost to build something designed for offroad. You will be hot this summer in humid weather. Stay safe and healthy!!
Nice set up with loads of space to make it really an overlander I.e. install solar panels on top of the roof (get HD struts), get the cold weather insulation for the pop up part, get a powerful inverter for 110/220V AC, loose the two heavy gas tanks and get instead a water- & inside-heater fueled by the trucks fuel (pref. diesel), get an induction hotplate for cooking ..... AND keep the truck low enough to fit into a sea container which will be needed to be a real overlander! Have a look @grizzly&bear a couple using a camper like that traveling the world
4 Wheel Campers make a really nice pop up but I do agree with other comments about the pricing. I have been looking some at them as I have a hard side now which is awesome (Northern Lite 8.11 SE) but even still I am limited as to where I can go. You can get an indoor shower and cassette toilet in the 4 Wheel Camper but that option runs an additional $3 grand. In my NL I have all the luxuries including A/C for just a little more than this one costs. Truck campers are expensive if you think about it from a square footage basis and if that is how people determined whether to buy one, they would not exist. Truck campers are a lifestyle and people that own them are not interested in camping at your nearest KOA with their big 5th Wheel or bumper pull.
Nice to see this type of Camper coming back. This Hawk is a nice looking unit Andre,.I am looking forward to hearing and seeing how it works for you over the next while.
Very nice popup camper, but, having to manually raise the camper to stand up was an immediate no-go for me. Also, no A/C would be a problem traveling in the south, southwest, and, southeast where I’d be primarily traveling. I ‘do’ like that the fridge is NOT on the floor, as, I’m a senior and not as agile as I was in earlier years. Many other things were nice also. Nice presentation! ~Jim~
The only complaint I have right off the bat is that this truck should have the BFG k3 mud terrains because that is what is on the Jeep that you and Romain are comparing and it is always down to tires.
The main advantage of this over a standard construction camper is the weight. Full body campers are easily double the weight of this one. When going offroad, even fire roads, the big ones are known for ripping turn buckles out of the bed. This one that is much lighter is less likely to do that. Although I would have left the legs on it, so you can level it for sleeping.
I got my 2002 F350 7.3 Powerstroke Crew Cab with 200k and a 1999 Lance 10'1 Camper with shower, toilet, propane range, microwave, fridge, ac, and heat with lots of space and storage all about 22k.
I love what you guys have done with the truck. I even like the idea of this truck camper for overlanding. I'm like everyone else, this is not even close to being worth $32k.
You can get a nice travel trailer for that price but you can’t take them off road. They make small off road trailers but they cost at least as much as this camper without any more amenities. I had one to tow behind my Jeep.
It’s missing Tip-Out bunks.... if just 1 manufacture did 1 or 2 tip out bunks they would KILL the market. Even a Tipout canvas Wet Bath on the back! 4Wheel Campers should do it on their flatbed models too, that dinette barely sleeps 2 small children. You could even design a hard shell tipout bunk that wouldn’t have any canvas but folding walls and ceiling with windows. But the tent tipout would definitely save on weight. That’s what Truck Campers is missing and I can’t believe no one is talking about this great idea! Another great idea these campers don’t have that they fell short on again is a Dual Mini-Split that runs on solar only! It’s extremely possible to do, many truck before camper owners have converted their. On these tent models all you have to do is build a bracket on the ceiling and hang the unit when you setup (stow is in the dinette). The compressor mounts on the back outside which most of these 4wheel campers have accessory brackets for gear. What do y’all think?
Think about it by raw materials and components. Aluminum frame/siding/roof, cushions, countertops, cabinets and hardware, vents, fans, windows, sink, pump, two agm batteries, stovetop, plywood floorpack, fridge, furnace, water heater, led lights inside and out, wiring, breakers, relays, battery charger, solar panel and controller, etc. Be realistic. Two agm batteries are $500. Furnace $600. Fantastic fan vent $200. Fridge $800. Buy a piece of 3" foam for a matress is $150 without sewn fabric cover. $30k is a lot of money, no doubt, but that is different than these being priced wrong. All those components add up fast. Now, pay someone to weld the frame, wire it, build cabinets, sew cushions, install fridge, furnace, fans, solar, stove, sink/plumbing, etc. Think about it by component at you see why they cost so much.
@MrChadx1 Still, it’s a truck camper, more raw materials go into building a Chevy Sonic. The manufacturer went with cheap materials and jacked the price higher than it should be so they can make their money back faster.
@@chumbawaumbacumpa Chevy Sonic are not hand built. Economy of scale, small margins and assembly line built by robots in mass quantities. Price a hand assembled vehicle (even one without exotic materials) and you are six figures.
@@LTHero. Guess it depends on the quality. You could spend 30k or 120k for those items for a house. You can spend 10k or 100k for a slide in pickup camper. RV appliances cost 2 to 4 times as much as house appliances. Just the hours in labor for welding up the frame in these campers is incredible. This is not a particleboard, stapled and glued economy slide in camper. Those 10 to 15k campers don't handle overlanding very long. Re-read my first post on materials, now add labor, employee benefits, manufacturing space, utilities, marketing, distribution, research and development and oh, they are a business so need to make a profit.
Nikki Delventhal travels the country with her dog and sleeps very comfortable in a $2000 - 2006 Toyota Prius and go's the same places this truck does. Haha. No, im not interested in Prius living but you get the point.
You're going to be miserable camping in the south this summer with no A/C. Living in Colorado you don't have the humidity, and it doesn't cool off at night as much as you're used to.
Great review Andre, but for me I would have gone with a trailer. I think it offers more versatility. They did a great job engineering this camper. For the price I hope it lasts for years.
Nice review, just a couple of questions: Are the windows in the pop-up waterproof when all closed up? What if you get caught in a bad thunderstorm while camping? Also, is there a pass-through to the cab if you have a sliding rear window in the truck? I saw the curtain under the table, just wondering if that's a window that can be opened? That would be very handy if you're parked and have some people sitting in the cab, and some in the camper.
Thanks Andre. It would be great to have a comparison with the same truck and a hard side maybe a smaller Lance camper? and compare cost/features. thanks again for the video!
I like the bonus owner review at the end of the video. More of these please.
Thank you for noticing.
But why tag it onto the end of a completely unrelated video? Was the viewer’s submission too short for a stand-alone “Dude, I Love My Ride” ?
@@TFLtruck please tell us about the mods you did on the truck itself like lift and suspension and tires
@@amm2472 On the gray truck that''s the subject of the main video? He covers all that.
@@shatan-mohammadakapedophil4541 Stop with the race baiting. They have not been racist at all so I don't see how you're getting to that conclusion.
It’s nice but for 35k I want the chance to say the “$hitters full” and turn up the a/c unit
Me too, and that's what made the Hallmark such an appealing option. At the time I could not afford the Hallmark, so I got a FWC Grandby (less than 30K, just about every option, 2 years ago.) running on a RAM 3500 with Carli Pintop suspension on 37" Toyo tires. I've been 100% happy with this. Someday I will go for the Hallmark, not for a shortage of love for my FWC, but mostly so I can get the electric jacks for raising the roof. It's pretty easy to do, so long as you don't have any thing mounted on the top of the roof. Then... it can get a little tough to lift.
@@ftkobbe - I originally thought I wanted a hallmark (small h) Milner but they are way too heavy for the type of extreme off-roading I do with my Power Wagon here in the Southwest. Very happy with my Hawk, but in the future I'm kinda interested in Bison's flatbed offering.
Agreed. It's a nice unit, but you can't say a camper "has it all" if it doesn't have a toilet. And for that much cash, A/C and thermal insulation in the tent should be included.
@@Rollochrome or purchase a small towable camper. atleast you will get a shitter and a shower with it
No bigger fan than me guy's but 30k? Sure don't see it. Lot of money for a 10k camper.
That price and no ac.... ouch! Great job Andre!
Where you going to plug an A/C into when you're out in BFE?
@@donleamon8653 The giant generator they bought
For that size even a 4k btu unit would work. You could use those tiny suitcase inverter generators. But yes I would never pay 30k for that. I'd rather buy a towable tiny camper instead
You can run small one on solar and/or solar generator
And no toilet 😁
Beyond sweet truck. Love you guys, love the videos. Other than hot water, it’s basically a $30,000 tent. No restroom, no shower. Seems like it should cost 10,000 max
I disagree. You couldn't even buy the raw materials and components in these for $10k. Aluminum frame/siding/roof, cushions, countertops, cabinets and hardware, vents, fans, windows, sink, pump, two agm batteries, stovetop, plywood floorpack, fridge, furnace, water heater, led lights inside and out, wiring, breakers, relays, battery charger, solar panel and controller, etc. Be realistic. Two agm batteries are $500. Furnace $600. Fantastic fan vent $200. Fridge $800. Buy a piece of 3" foam for a matress is $150 without a sewn fabric cover. $30k is a lot of money, no doubt, but that is different than these being priced wrong. All those components add up fast. Now, pay someone to weld the frame, wire it, build cabinets, sew cushions, install fridge, furnace, fans, solar, stove, sink/plumbing, etc. Think about it by component and you see why they cost so much.
MrChadx1 ---that’s the price of a fully loaded Honda Accord, the accord has way more components than that camper, so you are saying the accord should be like $60,000 because everything in it really adds up?
LA RC GREAT point!!!
@@ULSB1969 Economies of scale.
@@ULSB1969 Well, car manufactures don't really make a whole lot of money on a new car, they also sell millions of them, so they can make a couple hundred bucks on each one and be fine. FWC is a small(er) company, based in California now where wages and legislation is expensive. These could be 10k dollars or 15k dollars if we returned to an actual capitalism economy. But that's beyond the point. The point of these isn't to be cheap but to be well made in materials, workmanship, and warrantied well, that's expensive. Go read forums on any camper site and you'll see these large campers / fifth wheels that are 40, 50, 60, 70, 100k dollars falling apart after the first time they're used, you wanna know why? Because they prioritize price before the components and workmanship going into it. And good luck getting one of those fixed under 'warranty' lol.
The whole time all I could think is how the hell do they price this at over 30k.
nobody buys these things with cash... they spread the payments over eight years so you pay like 59 dollars a month... full sized RV's are the same way. not many people buy them outright... that way you can afford to use it
Rv financing is up to 20 years. Yes msrp is 35k but there's always massive discounts.
Because in 40 years it'll still be going strong.
I don't care if the payments were stretched for 50 years, 35k for this is just stupid!
@@mustangmike3830 it's a bespoke luxury item. Low production volume means you lose economies of scale driving up prices
I’ve got a Hawk on my F-150. It’s great, light weight, functional. Mine weighs 945 pounds. Ordered the Hawk Shell and had it custom built for me. Ordered the furnace and 2 burner stove, solar and foldout couch, good for traveling. You can pull off the road and not pop the roof up.
No AC and they are starting off in Georgia in the summer. Hello humidity
They're doing their trip off road so it's unlikely there will be too many places to plug in. Carrying a big enough generator to run A/C really isn't practical in this type of rig either.
@@sonictech1000 there are plenty of smaller inverter generators that would store easily inside the camper (during travel) or on a hitch carrier. No reason to not have AC anywhere you want, especially for $30k.
@@jimmieclark6393 Storage in a pop up truck camper is REALLY limited and you typically need a 3kw generator to run an A/C unit. That's way too big to put inside. . If you put the generator on a receiver mounted carrier that will really hurt departure angle and probably break somewhere along the way. They would also need to carry additional fuel and fuel is already going to be a problem for them.
@@sonictech1000 One or two small Honda generators will power the AC and they are easy to store. It’s nice to have power if you are actually isolated in the outdoors.
@@joshuabarton2519 Truck campers like that are extremely limited on storage space and few AC units will run reliably on anything less than 3kw. Plus you are going to have to store all that fuel somewhere.
That truck does look good that’s for sure
except I don’t understand why they went with the gas engine over the 6.7L power stroke.
@@dickyarger2945 Because diesels are expensive and useless, With the EPA and emissions you can't delete them so eventually you'll be paying a lot money just to keep the emissions system working.
Since theres no toilet in that camper I think we all know what the primary use of the shovel is REALLY going to be.😅😅😅😅😅
A gold platted shovel better be included in that camper for that price!😆🍻✌️
This is going to get OLD very very quickly. $30K down the toilet!!!
No crapper?! It looks nice, but I wouldn't say "fully equipped".
you can order it with a crapper
its in the back of a truck... id drive or park not to far from a crapper so wouldn't have to "cloud out" that tiny airspace
around a $3500 upgrade....
I'd recommend also sponges for the utensil drawers just like those in a boat , so you dont get any rattling
$30k+ for a truck bed camper? Lol! Fools and their money...
Guess you haven't been in the market lately huh?
Don Leamon I think you’re stupid. I can get a camper with 3 slide outs for 15k
These campers are over priced junk compared to how they were used to be made....I have a 1982 SunLite pop up and it far exceeds this low cheap materials crap......
Dannyixoye I know you can find a older pop up for about $2500 with a shitter and ac.
Some can cost well over $60k
The lance 1172 for example
Whaaaaaat!!? 35 grand and it doesn't have a/c? My 1986 camper has ac and I promise you that is the only thing that matters if you camp where it is hot.
Stop glamping and you won't need an AC.
30k no automation no AC = over priced
All the complaints about price makes me realize not many have priced these type of campers. They have a waiting list to get one. The used campers are damn near as much as new ones. Try finding a used one for sale, lol few and far between. These are made to handle the off road environment and to be light weight. Less than 1/2 the weight of a hard side truck camper and will last 20+ years.
I would love one of these some day, but I'd go for the flat bed models with a tray bed replacement on my truck. I don't understand why people complain about quality products that go for a premium price. You can buy a $60 pair of dress shoes and wear them for 1 year or you can buy a $400 pair and wear them for 20 years. Same goes for campers.
Finally someone that actually gets it, lol.
You new to the camping world? Spend all your money on gear and you'll be busy working trying to pay for it, and not camping. There is not a 7" camper on this planet worth $30K.
overpriced like Harley's
Just by a 05 travel trailer for 6k
No, overpriced like Harleys.
Shots fired!😂 Tommy will get stuck in the gladiator, but not andre in the f250 with this box on top? We shall see😉👍
Nice camper, but waaaaay too expensive. Especially with no a/c or bathroom. bought a new fully contained lance camper hard side for just over 20k.
You ain't takin that fat Lance very far off-road either are you. 🙄
@@donleamon8653 you might with a smaller one. Go ahead. Waste your money on a 32k tent. Besides, you know these guys aren't taking this on the Rubicon. 🙄 No way that camper is worth 32k friendo.
@@paulmadkow9143 No way an earth roamer is worth 1.5 million either. But you can't take this dumb made up fiat currency with you so you may as well buy what makes you happy. FWC was founded on making small light weight campers for small trucks back in the 70's and 80s'. They have models as low as 800 to 900 pounds, which means a 1/4 ton truck or 'Midsize' truck can handle one. They even make small 5' ones for super short beds. Find me a lance camper that can do that? Oh, you can't. That's the entire market that they're building these for and have been building them for, it isn't to replace your lance camper on your HD Truck lol. Btw your lance is probably garbage in comparison to this camper, as far as construction goes. So you'll be buying a new one in 10 years anyway when this FWC will be here for 50 years with good care, even longer.
It's hilarious looking through the comments. It shows how cheap people are. There is a reason these campers are so expensive. Quality and demand. Obviously FWC isn't going out of business anytime soon. I'll add that I love my FWC. I've had it for a few years now.
People will always complain about price when they have zero idea of R&D, material, labor and general overhead costs. FWC has been around for like 50 years, clearly they know their market and how to price their offerings. The price complainers drive me crazy.
The negative comments are likely from folks that have not priced truck campers lately. Amazing it only weighs 1350+ lbs. I would spec it with AC and cassette toilet. Very nice!
Comments are so ignorantly funny on here. The whole idea of a FWC is to go where there is no 30 amp hookups for A/C! There are floorplans that allow for cassette or portable toilets if that is what you want. Further, FWC's hold their value extremely well, because they actually hold up to hard off-road use.
Solar or a generator can run the AC.
@@darylc6669 need ALOT OF solar panels.
I like that you can buy this as a shell and build the interior to your needs
The one thing I was thinking throughout this whole video:
$30,000
And no toilet and no ac 🤦♂️
@@Aaronelliott847 toilet shower and ac are the main reasons to have a camper leave those out its a fancy tent
Exactly...not a chance
These campers are over priced junk compared to how they were used to be made....I have a 1982 SunLite pop up and it far exceeds this low cheap materials crap......
Very cool. But no going to lie, for 30k I’d expect the pop up not to be manual.
joshua Maneely nah, extra weight and more stuff to break.
I bought a used North Star TC800 had a shitter, A/C, furnace and Fantastic fan for $4500. Best money spent at the time. Loving this build thought!
I'm looking for a truck camper and people keep telling me about the pop ups. While I love the look and feel, I'm looking for more of a small apartmentish setting instead of really overlapping. It's so nice though. Thanks for the view
30k holy crap i just bought a 32 ft puma for 23 and i freaking love it . I understand the portability but hell fire 30 grand
All I can say is I like hard sided truck campers because you don't loose cabinet space. I have had my eye on a Lance 650 if I got a trail boss but now I'm thinking 4Runner. But you never know. I use to have a F150 Regular cab with 8 food box and had a hard sided truck camper and loved it. Enjoy your new camper.
😀 Nice review. We own a 2021 Granby (shell model) sitting on our 2002 Ford Super-duty super cab (8ft bed) F250 7.3 Power-stroke Diesel. We get an average 18-19 MPG and so glad we sold our heavy tall 8.6 overhead camper. So we chose to save $15K and purchase the Shell and outfit ours the way we wanted and for the way we use it. We don't full time or do cold winter camping. I built bigger cabinets (more storage) and larger drawers, added a water pump and we use portable water containers.and have a portable black water under the sink.. The most expensive thing was our Bluetti AC 2000 watt power station and two Renogy 2000 watts flexible solar panels on the roof (I installed it all). Added a front bench hiding the port-pot (never used) and water, a Logoon table, 12v 54 qt portable chest Fridge/Freezer and we have a MR. Heater that hasn't been used but twice.. So we love it because its light weight and we can pull our 14' aluminum Klamath fishing boat with ease.. Again, I love your channel and all of the reviews! Thanks
32k. Haha! Good one.
wait a minute, your telling me that tuck bed camper is over 30k Daaaammmnnnn
Lance are $35K -50k...
so, about $100k+ for the truck and camper...
Gloverlanding ain’t cheap!
Yeah... that almost puts you in Sportsmobile territory. Too bad Ford dropped the E350 with the diesel motor. Still a little less expensive than a Earth Roamer :-)
And the truck is almost a base model (xlt) gas shitty
Overlanding is going to be like Baja! Only the rich shall have fun!
I go overlanding with my truck, a common tent, a cooler and it still pretty fun.
I just bought a used topper for my 92 Chevy that is like new condition and I'm going to build my own platform and put a real queen size bed inside it..
I will have two feet behind the bed for whatever I want to bring with me plus room for totes underneath the bed..
I spent $600 on a custom sized short queen mattress the whole thing will cost me under $1,000 and it's all I need
Love y’all at TFL!! Especially Andre!! He always makes me smile and explains everything so well, a true enthusiast!
Gray water outlet should have been somewhere down part of the trailer as you have seen, once you open it it just splashes on your face.
You hook a hose to drain the grey water.
30k!!!? Get the hell out of here I’ll go pick up nicely specd trailer.
“This camper is fully loaded”. A minute later “this camper has no AC”. 😑
Perfect rig and set up. Dream vehicle set up
Hey, at least this time they tell you at the start they have made/you are starting to watch an INFOMERCIAL....
I appreciate that nice change.
But then.... additional ADS pop up during the INFOMERCIAL?? WOW, are they making money hand over fist, or what?
you are most welcome to visit us here in Saudi Arabia , middale east
This would be so great to have in KSA. Some really great adventures could be had. I do wonder, US trucks are really fussy when it comes to diesel type. I wonder if the diesel on the local market would be OK for it. I do see a lot of Raptors over there, but not many Ford Diesel trucks.
Long drive though.
Will not a lot of people like the diesel truck over there
If you already own an HD truck and you are a solo camper looking to get off the grid and off the beaten path, this may be the rig for you. Great video review.
I had one & paid $32K-ish. I loved it, when you compare what a sprinter van cost & gets you, this is a bargain. Plus the truck you put is on can go far more places than a van in most cases. But, I did sell my FWC because they are small, went with a class C.
That camper is probably about 5K to build. So a 30K mark up is nice. Would definitely buy!
Great review on a product that misses a lot of marks for that price. 🏌️♂️
Andre there is a couple traveling all over the world in a older version of this camper. It is stuck on an older Defender. (Tommy may like it) They have been all over europe, asia, australia and in Japan now. Channel is grizzlynbear overland if you are interested. Nice review be ready for the dumb comments they will fly, people have no idea of the cost to build something designed for offroad. You will be hot this summer in humid weather. Stay safe and healthy!!
Let me know how your Southwest trip goes with no AC in that camper.
Then when they come on over to Death Valley in the middle of summer they may be having second thoughts!✌️🍻
While boondocking you would be unable to run the a/c unless you packed a big enough generator to power the a/c. unit.
Nice set up with loads of space to make it really an overlander I.e. install solar panels on top of the roof (get HD struts), get the cold weather insulation for the pop up part, get a powerful inverter for 110/220V AC, loose the two heavy gas tanks and get instead a water- & inside-heater fueled by the trucks fuel (pref. diesel), get an induction hotplate for cooking ..... AND keep the truck low enough to fit into a sea container which will be needed to be a real overlander!
Have a look @grizzly&bear a couple using a camper like that traveling the world
4 Wheel Campers make a really nice pop up but I do agree with other comments about the pricing. I have been looking some at them as I have a hard side now which is awesome (Northern Lite 8.11 SE) but even still I am limited as to where I can go. You can get an indoor shower and cassette toilet in the 4 Wheel Camper but that option runs an additional $3 grand.
In my NL I have all the luxuries including A/C for just a little more than this one costs. Truck campers are expensive if you think about it from a square footage basis and if that is how people determined whether to buy one, they would not exist. Truck campers are a lifestyle and people that own them are not interested in camping at your nearest KOA with their big 5th Wheel or bumper pull.
I have a pop up slide in camper. I have indoor toilet and AC. Also have solar on it. Total cost- $3,200.
Nice to see this type of Camper coming back. This Hawk is a nice looking unit Andre,.I am looking forward to hearing and seeing how it works for you over the next while.
You can get a inverter generator to go anywhere and be able to use shore power that’s what I do
Very nice popup camper, but, having to manually raise the camper to stand up was an immediate no-go for me. Also, no A/C would be a problem traveling in the south, southwest, and, southeast where I’d be primarily traveling. I ‘do’ like that the fridge is NOT on the floor, as, I’m a senior and not as agile as I was in earlier years. Many other things were nice also. Nice presentation! ~Jim~
$32K? Good Lord.
MY FWC Hawk was $14,000 in 2007. It still runs great.
Also nice that the camper doesn't stick out past the bumper so you can tow a trailer normally without those funky extensions.
Great review. Too pricey though.
The only complaint I have right off the bat is that this truck should have the BFG k3 mud terrains because that is what is on the Jeep that you and Romain are comparing and it is always down to tires.
The main advantage of this over a standard construction camper is the weight. Full body campers are easily double the weight of this one. When going offroad, even fire roads, the big ones are known for ripping turn buckles out of the bed. This one that is much lighter is less likely to do that. Although I would have left the legs on it, so you can level it for sleeping.
I got my 2002 F350 7.3 Powerstroke Crew Cab with 200k and a 1999 Lance 10'1 Camper with shower, toilet, propane range, microwave, fridge, ac, and heat with lots of space and storage all about 22k.
U GET WHAT U PAID FOR, BUT THAT'S OF COURSE DEPENDS WHAT YOU WANNA DO. THNKS FOR THE TOUR AWESOME BE SAFE GOD BLESS.
$30k just for that camper not really with it
That is crazy
Not unless the $32,000 for this camper includes a used pickup truck in reasonable condition to put it in, lol!
First thing I thought when I saw the title of the video. Yikes...
Yea, and no AC, toilet or awning. That's alot.
Why do people who would never spend any money complain about the cost. So what is your set up?
Another amazing commercial
Rim shot!
The info you give is appreciated.
I’ve been looking at these for a year now and desperately want one!
I guess you have more dollars than sense.
Nice dig at a Tommy and the Gladiator at 12:19 👊
I love what you guys have done with the truck. I even like the idea of this truck camper for overlanding. I'm like everyone else, this is not even close to being worth $32k.
The sheet metal extending from the top step looks like it could really cut someone's shins
I love theses campers, from afar, as I would never pay $30K for one. Holy Sh*t Snacks!
For 30k I could get a pretty nice trailer. Way overpriced.
What good is a trailer that you can't take where you want to go?
Yeah, these teardrops cost that much and you can't even stand up in them.
totally agree and for the people that have no clue they make overlander trailer campers and you can pretty much design them how ever you want..
You can get a nice travel trailer for that price but you can’t take them off road. They make small off road trailers but they cost at least as much as this camper without any more amenities. I had one to tow behind my Jeep.
so basically more space than a Japanese HOTEL room LOL
Winter time truck better get window unit if your coming down south would be hot and miserable. Cool truck.
It’s missing Tip-Out bunks.... if just 1 manufacture did 1 or 2 tip out bunks they would KILL the market. Even a Tipout canvas Wet Bath on the back!
4Wheel Campers should do it on their flatbed models too, that dinette barely sleeps 2 small children. You could even design a hard shell tipout bunk that wouldn’t have any canvas but folding walls and ceiling with windows. But the tent tipout would definitely save on weight.
That’s what Truck Campers is missing and I can’t believe no one is talking about this great idea! Another great idea these campers don’t have that they fell short on again is a Dual Mini-Split that runs on solar only! It’s extremely possible to do, many truck before camper owners have converted their. On these tent models all you have to do is build a bracket on the ceiling and hang the unit when you setup (stow is in the dinette). The compressor mounts on the back outside which most of these 4wheel campers have accessory brackets for gear. What do y’all think?
Awesome camper top. I’m not in the market but if I was, this is the one I would get ,
I like how the slide in doesn’t stick out past the rear bumper
Obviously primo, but 30k seems purty high. But I do love it!!!! Pretty damn sweet!
Love all these comments about the price. Now go look at something like the cost of the Winnebago Revel or Boldt. 150k and up.
Cool camper, but how about that Carli suspension?
That little screen looks cute it’s the size of my credit card.😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Bed on the SD has always been 6”9 inches. Same for GM HD trucks as well now
no way I'd pay 30k for that
Think about it by raw materials and components. Aluminum frame/siding/roof, cushions, countertops, cabinets and hardware, vents, fans, windows, sink, pump, two agm batteries, stovetop, plywood floorpack, fridge, furnace, water heater, led lights inside and out, wiring, breakers, relays, battery charger, solar panel and controller, etc. Be realistic. Two agm batteries are $500. Furnace $600. Fantastic fan vent $200. Fridge $800. Buy a piece of 3" foam for a matress is $150 without sewn fabric cover. $30k is a lot of money, no doubt, but that is different than these being priced wrong. All those components add up fast. Now, pay someone to weld the frame, wire it, build cabinets, sew cushions, install fridge, furnace, fans, solar, stove, sink/plumbing, etc. Think about it by component at you see why they cost so much.
@@MrChadx1 you can do all new siding hvac and appliances in a house for 30k
@MrChadx1 Still, it’s a truck camper, more raw materials go into building a Chevy Sonic. The manufacturer went with cheap materials and jacked the price higher than it should be so they can make their money back faster.
@@chumbawaumbacumpa Chevy Sonic are not hand built. Economy of scale, small margins and assembly line built by robots in mass quantities. Price a hand assembled vehicle (even one without exotic materials) and you are six figures.
@@LTHero. Guess it depends on the quality. You could spend 30k or 120k for those items for a house. You can spend 10k or 100k for a slide in pickup camper. RV appliances cost 2 to 4 times as much as house appliances. Just the hours in labor for welding up the frame in these campers is incredible. This is not a particleboard, stapled and glued economy slide in camper. Those 10 to 15k campers don't handle overlanding very long. Re-read my first post on materials, now add labor, employee benefits, manufacturing space, utilities, marketing, distribution, research and development and oh, they are a business so need to make a profit.
Love Andre’ 👍
Listening to you talk reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger !!!
Very nice, high quality. You have an amazing life Andre.
Great review! How does the camper change the towing capability of the truck. Say you have a 5 or 10,000 lbs boat you want to tow behind?
Just curious why you guys didn't get a Hallmark, Phoenix or Outfitter as those 3 companies are local for you.
I have the exact same question. I've looked at all 4 of these. Like the Hallmark and Phoenix better.
That price is crazy, not justifiable
Looks cool! Thanks Andre for the review. I'm enjoying your camping series!
How in the world does unlatching the roof not count towards setup time??
Nikki Delventhal travels the country with her dog and sleeps very comfortable in a $2000 - 2006 Toyota Prius and go's the same places this truck does. Haha. No, im not interested in Prius living but you get the point.
90% of comments are about price
I want to know, if we make like this by ourself or with the help of machanic, how much it will cost?
You're going to be miserable camping in the south this summer with no A/C. Living in Colorado you don't have the humidity, and it doesn't cool off at night as much as you're used to.
He's going camping in the south with no A/C??? Lol somebody should've known better
Great review Andre, but for me I would have gone with a trailer. I think it offers more versatility. They did a great job engineering this camper. For the price I hope it lasts for years.
As usual great video guys. Can't wait for your video on the trucks modification and the trans-america series
For 30k I’d assume you get an automated opening camper with AC and maybe a pop out shower curtain/shit teepee off the side where the shower hose is 😂
I'm really excited about the overland series!
Looks nice! Concerned about the window flat hanging right above (maybe touching) the propane cooktop.
Had one of those come in at my work with the whole top blown off because tbe owner forgot to tie it down after lol
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Nice review, just a couple of questions: Are the windows in the pop-up waterproof when all closed up? What if you get caught in a bad thunderstorm while camping? Also, is there a pass-through to the cab if you have a sliding rear window in the truck? I saw the curtain under the table, just wondering if that's a window that can be opened? That would be very handy if you're parked and have some people sitting in the cab, and some in the camper.
30K + and I have to get a camping toilet. Not on God's green earth, sorry no sale..
Thanks Andre. It would be great to have a comparison with the same truck and a hard side maybe a smaller Lance camper? and compare cost/features. thanks again for the video!