The one change I still want for Mountaineer is to make the heal that the dwaft applies to the bear a single cast instead of a channel. As it currently is (at least while writing this, who knows they might change this too), when the dwarf channels to heal the bear, both units functionally remove themselves from actively dealing damage because the channel locks both into not being able to move or attack consistently (technically the bear can move forward a tiny bit but that's due to it escaping through micro gaps in the tick rate of the channel and is more akin to a bug). Changing it to a single cast to apply the heal over time to the bear would allow the bear to keep moving forward, thus gaining distance from the dwarf so it doesn't get killed from incidental AoE, allow the bear to keep attacking to get a small amount of more damage out, and, most importantly, allow the dwarf to keep attacking as it is the main damage dealer of the pair. Plus this change would bring the ability more in line with how Mend Pet abilities work for Hunters in WoW and Rexxar and Misha in HotS. But overall the buffs here feel nice and are definately a good start to making Mountaineer be a better, or at least less worthless, mini.
Even if they would keep it as a channel, it really doesn't make sense for the bear to stop and the heal is so low, it can even be a detriment, basically a self stun.
great timing with the second boss of the current Gnomeregan-dungeon... Mountaineer was always THE most problematic enemy there with respawning for free all the time and the huge damage it dealt, but now also with taunt.... yikes !
Oh yeah I didn't even think about it being a buff for bosses. Like that one dungeon with the Tauren boss he spams the dwarf and it was already pretty annoying to deal with as is.
Blizzard nerfing: "omg players can beat pve content somewhat easier we need to nerf this asap before the holidays we can't possibly leave this in the game!!!!!!" Blizzard buffing: "ok well since this weak minion has been the worst in the game for over a year i guess we'll eventually give it a tiny power increase and oh yea sorry but the buff is actually bugged but we'll fix it eventually but we have to go home for the holidays so maybe when we get back :)"
Sorry but just overreacting and underthinking Endgame is something people work towards and keeps them motivated, beating the final challenge with 3 day Acc then delete game. And players that already done it the hard way feel bad aswell seeing this. I understand Og's ragebait need to do that for the clicks, but he most likely knows that aswell. And no in a game like this PvP isn't the endgame, it's a thing to pass time, means of farming Xp or for whales to show the credit card usage.
@@ianfhtagn1349 The damage was done, so many people already got it done before it was nerfed. The people that did it the "hard way" already had their "achievement" massively diminished. Now the people that were rushing to do it and didn't make it in time are just upset. It did need to be nerfed from a pvp perspective especially but the fact they all hands on deck rushed that nerf out while leaving other units trash for months or a year shows their priorities.
@@VAFranky Onyxia has hardly ever been done "the hard way" - there were bugs that prevented her from summoning minions (Rend and eggs) and to change phases (Taunt Earth Elemental), alongside many others. Most Onyxia kills have been done through bugs. Anub'arak was different in that it used no bugs at all, everything was done with things working as intended, although one can of course question Blizzard's balancing of the mini.
Unrelated to any of this, are there any comments on discord about rewards piling up and unable to claim the whole pipeline? I have like... eight or more tomes on backlog because when I claim them for the day, it gives me one, and then nothing else.
As a workaround, restart the client over and over again, each time you will get one item in the backlog, until eventually it becomes empty. I recently did a bunch of Heroic campaign missions with dual leaders, and after I finished I had to restart 22 times to clear the backlog. On iOS where I play I had to force-quit the app so it would properly log in after each restart.
The fact that Bear doesn't have talent option to have an AoE attack is really a shame. Most bosses with bear-like animal form all have sweeping AoE attacks, and yet cannot get that talent on bear. Maybe it would make a viable tank with shaman earth shield.
Speaking of Dungeons and Heroics that use Mountaineer… what should we use to counter them? ‘Cause it looks like my approach of throwing down a Quillboar or Worgen to take out the Mountaineer isn’t going to work anymore.
While this change is very welcome, it seems just like a smart PR move. They just nerfed Anub'arak and buffed Onyxia and Molten Core again. So this extremly sudden change seems like a cover-up.
I don't like this change at all. Mountaineer is all over PvE maps and is already a pain in the rear since the AI uses this mini a lot and it's pretty hard to kill. This will just make heroics and quests harder.
The community team is on holiday and the devs have been pushing out their backlog before they go on holiday too. A little strange arrangement, but that is the explanation.
Anyone else seeing that Anub'arak now feels incredibly fragile since the nerf patch? I swear he seems to get 1 shot constantly in PVP for example and with the nerfs too he sure feels over nerfed; or possibly I'm just imagining things or playing badly...
Anyone else having log in issues? Haven’t been able to log in for 12 hours the app crashes at 0% (Can’t reinstall because I’m stuck on a guest account)
Finally!!!!!!!! I've only been waiting since the Jurassic period for this buff... Blizzard irritates me so much. Looks like they are finally listening to the fan base lol
Yep the buff wasn’t good enough to make him truly viable. On the other hand I just made a new account over a week ago and yes it makes most of the pve content that uses him much more difficult… especially Gnomeregan 2nd boss. Sad part it’s in a lot of pve content along with huntress and ogre mage, love to give free high cost minis for the sake of making the game harder instead of improving AI to make better plays 🤷
Anyone else having log in issues? Haven’t been able to log in for 12 hours the app crashes at 0% (Can’t reinstall because I’m stuck on a guest account)
People had issues last night when the patch came. Blizzard's suggestions were to relaunch the app and to log out of battle.net and then back in. Have you force closed the app from the background?
Why no in game patch notes
That'd take away from their splash screen introducing Anub!
The one change I still want for Mountaineer is to make the heal that the dwaft applies to the bear a single cast instead of a channel.
As it currently is (at least while writing this, who knows they might change this too), when the dwarf channels to heal the bear, both units functionally remove themselves from actively dealing damage because the channel locks both into not being able to move or attack consistently (technically the bear can move forward a tiny bit but that's due to it escaping through micro gaps in the tick rate of the channel and is more akin to a bug).
Changing it to a single cast to apply the heal over time to the bear would allow the bear to keep moving forward, thus gaining distance from the dwarf so it doesn't get killed from incidental AoE, allow the bear to keep attacking to get a small amount of more damage out, and, most importantly, allow the dwarf to keep attacking as it is the main damage dealer of the pair.
Plus this change would bring the ability more in line with how Mend Pet abilities work for Hunters in WoW and Rexxar and Misha in HotS.
But overall the buffs here feel nice and are definately a good start to making Mountaineer be a better, or at least less worthless, mini.
Even if they would keep it as a channel, it really doesn't make sense for the bear to stop and the heal is so low, it can even be a detriment, basically a self stun.
So they effectively made the hardest dungeon, Gnomeregan, even more difficult. Lovely.
great timing with the second boss of the current Gnomeregan-dungeon... Mountaineer was always THE most problematic enemy there with respawning for free all the time and the huge damage it dealt, but now also with taunt.... yikes !
What a time to be alive
moonpie...
Im glad hes finally getting some buffs.
Oh yeah I didn't even think about it being a buff for bosses. Like that one dungeon with the Tauren boss he spams the dwarf and it was already pretty annoying to deal with as is.
This is going to make gnomergon even harder for new players. By far the worst dungeon for leveling accounts!
@@jenniferhookway2086 Exactly. Terrible, shortsighted change by Blizzard.
Blizzard nerfing: "omg players can beat pve content somewhat easier we need to nerf this asap before the holidays we can't possibly leave this in the game!!!!!!"
Blizzard buffing: "ok well since this weak minion has been the worst in the game for over a year i guess we'll eventually give it a tiny power increase and oh yea sorry but the buff is actually bugged but we'll fix it eventually but we have to go home for the holidays so maybe when we get back :)"
Also, many bosses use Mountaineer in their armies, so it is a buff to those bosses too!
@@OldGuardian 😭
Sorry but just overreacting and underthinking
Endgame is something people work towards and keeps them motivated, beating the final challenge with 3 day Acc then delete game. And players that already done it the hard way feel bad aswell seeing this. I understand Og's ragebait need to do that for the clicks, but he most likely knows that aswell. And no in a game like this PvP isn't the endgame, it's a thing to pass time, means of farming Xp or for whales to show the credit card usage.
@@ianfhtagn1349 The damage was done, so many people already got it done before it was nerfed. The people that did it the "hard way" already had their "achievement" massively diminished. Now the people that were rushing to do it and didn't make it in time are just upset. It did need to be nerfed from a pvp perspective especially but the fact they all hands on deck rushed that nerf out while leaving other units trash for months or a year shows their priorities.
@@VAFranky Onyxia has hardly ever been done "the hard way" - there were bugs that prevented her from summoning minions (Rend and eggs) and to change phases (Taunt Earth Elemental), alongside many others. Most Onyxia kills have been done through bugs. Anub'arak was different in that it used no bugs at all, everything was done with things working as intended, although one can of course question Blizzard's balancing of the mini.
Isnt anub a beast? Might be a good pair
I like the idea, but that’s a very expensive combo.
@@johnsweeney4812 11 gold is easier than 12
@@norkester444 You’re not wrong.
Core Hounds would be great heal target but they are not considered beasts.
lmao , that one quest in gnomeran just got harder
Lol
Finally they give it some attention
Unrelated to any of this, are there any comments on discord about rewards piling up and unable to claim the whole pipeline?
I have like... eight or more tomes on backlog because when I claim them for the day, it gives me one, and then nothing else.
As a workaround, restart the client over and over again, each time you will get one item in the backlog, until eventually it becomes empty. I recently did a bunch of Heroic campaign missions with dual leaders, and after I finished I had to restart 22 times to clear the backlog. On iOS where I play I had to force-quit the app so it would properly log in after each restart.
Nothing so far. But you can repeatedly relaunch the client to claim the queue one item at a time.
The fact that Bear doesn't have talent option to have an AoE attack is really a shame. Most bosses with bear-like animal form all have sweeping AoE attacks, and yet cannot get that talent on bear. Maybe it would make a viable tank with shaman earth shield.
Speaking of Dungeons and Heroics that use Mountaineer… what should we use to counter them?
‘Cause it looks like my approach of throwing down a Quillboar or Worgen to take out the Mountaineer isn’t going to work anymore.
huntress
While this change is very welcome, it seems just like a smart PR move. They just nerfed Anub'arak and buffed Onyxia and Molten Core again. So this extremly sudden change seems like a cover-up.
The Mountaineer event for January was datamined a while ago, so this was planned before the Anub nerf.
This was on the radar for awhile. No one uses Mountaineer altho its more viable now.
The healing talent is for multiple mountaineers on the field. which they r making easier to accomplish with charlga 5 cost talent.
I don't like this change at all. Mountaineer is all over PvE maps and is already a pain in the rear since the AI uses this mini a lot and it's pretty hard to kill. This will just make heroics and quests harder.
This is what they spend their time on. New years surprise!
I cannot find the original post about this change. Anyone have a link?
It is only on the community Discord, in the news section where Blizzard employees post.
You can heal gnoll brute with mountaineer, they have the same speed. Then you can drop a quillboar or chimaera later
Does malfurion heal the bear?
Yes, it is an Alliance bear!
They could have made him the first non leader Split mini alliance/beast. Then he would have more Synergy with healing beasts, e.g. in a Anuk deck.
Mountaineer needs to be made an Alliance/Beast split unit to fit into some Leader decks more appropriately.
Might work with malfurion decks
Has anyone tried mountaineer with Malfurion healing?
Mend pets would be good for healing a Charlga or Hogger.
Blizzard keeps the patch notes "hush hush" for some reason!!
The community team is on holiday and the devs have been pushing out their backlog before they go on holiday too. A little strange arrangement, but that is the explanation.
This gives me hope they will make spiderlings more viable
What do you mean no big beasts? There is Anun'arak :)
The dwarf can heal Anub Arak and his beetles? I’m happy I took mend pets
Anyone else seeing that Anub'arak now feels incredibly fragile since the nerf patch? I swear he seems to get 1 shot constantly in PVP for example and with the nerfs too he sure feels over nerfed; or possibly I'm just imagining things or playing badly...
Tbh it's a buff for their KI because almost every deck has a Mountaineer and they are already annoying.
This is great.... for the computer player.
And that patch broken my Game xd
Any notes for anubarak dungeon after nerf? 🙏
Turtle and I have been testing the Raid today, so no.
Awesome, he is an iconic character so he should get a buff.
Finally can upgrade mountaineer
Anyone else having log in issues? Haven’t been able to log in for 12 hours the app crashes at 0%
(Can’t reinstall because I’m stuck on a guest account)
Mountaineer meta boiz!
Finally!!!!!!!! I've only been waiting since the Jurassic period for this buff... Blizzard irritates me so much. Looks like they are finally listening to the fan base lol
Mountaineer Heal anubrak
Wow, after a year Blizzard finally listened to players. xd
We need new advice on barron
I think it needs to be 4 mana to be viable
❤
It even close to enough, he will still be awful.
Yep the buff wasn’t good enough to make him truly viable. On the other hand I just made a new account over a week ago and yes it makes most of the pve content that uses him much more difficult… especially Gnomeregan 2nd boss. Sad part it’s in a lot of pve content along with huntress and ogre mage, love to give free high cost minis for the sake of making the game harder instead of improving AI to make better plays 🤷
Still not good enough
still not good, even in a malfurion deck
When Orgrim Doomhammer becomes playable PLEASE blizzard fix audio cus yknow *gnoll noises* we dont like gnoll noises 🥲
Still better then Witchdoctor doing his 'AAAAH, I HEAR DA SUMMONS' every time his shield procced/he killed something... damn that was annoying
Anyone else having log in issues? Haven’t been able to log in for 12 hours the app crashes at 0%
(Can’t reinstall because I’m stuck on a guest account)
People had issues last night when the patch came. Blizzard's suggestions were to relaunch the app and to log out of battle.net and then back in. Have you force closed the app from the background?
@@OldGuardianI did and didn’t work but after the a small patch has been working thank you!