In one of the comics he has a great bit where he says roughly, "When confronted with something traumatic there's only two natural responses, laughter or tears. And laughter after all is nature's anesthesia." showing a panel of his fingers cut off and saying, 'guess I'm all thumbs' and then continues, "Tears hurt too much." and shows a panel of him as a child knocking on his door until his knuckles are bleeding. It always really stuck with me.
The reason I love Deadpool is that for all his jokes and vulgarity and violence, he still has morals. He's not going out somewhere to hurt innocent people, he keeps his chaos targeted towards criminals.
He talks a lot about not being a hero, but he does a lot of good. He's a classic antihero -- not because he doesn't do heroic things, but because he actively rejects all the classic markers that are supposed to signal heroism.
I think a good example of this is honestly in the comics. One of the issues from around the time of the movie had him discover a woman trying to jump off the roof of his building, and while he did do what you expect, like making jokes, taking her on a mission and randomly holding two people hostage for Hamilton tickets because if this was the last day of a person's life they were gonna have fun, but it ends with him taking her to a hospital, as during the show he had been texting contacts at The Avengers so they could set her up with care in the psychiatric unit, saying he isn't a hero and doesn't have all the answers, but they do. And that really stuck with me. He pushes off being a hero, yet he's saved lives in his own way.
This makes a lotta sense, like when he punches the ceiling of the van, he's not just doing it to punctuate the "God's best joke" line, he's punching at God for both of them
Yes, 1000%, I was surprised they didn't catch it [or maybe they did, but will talk about it in the next episode, focused on Wolverine]. You can absolutely see that the longer the speech goes on, the more and more Logan yells not at Deadpool, but at himself, at all the bits and pieces of himself that he sees in Wade. It's a surprisingly humanizing moment for the both of them, because Logan goes way too far, because he's mad at himself at least as much as he is at Wade, and yet it cuts Wade so deep he drops his main coping mechanism of sarcasm and jokes, only to see he has nothing left, he doesn't have healthy coping strategies, so all that's left for him to do is fight and all that anger out - which by default will be a stale mate, since neither of them is willing to stop, but also neither of them can die. And I'm pretty sure most of us were on at least one side of an outburst like that, and those least lucky were on both, so you could see yourself in either one of them and absolutely understand how they'd feel.
Deadpool is a symbolic representation of "Masking your traumas". Underneath the mask of humor, there is nothing but a living corpse that was once a man. People overlook this character when there is so much more that we could learn about him.
Exactly. That's something I really like about Deadpool and that is by all his silliness and humor (which I also really like, don't get me wrong), there is also a whole lot of tragedy in this character. And I am really happy that the movies also take this side of him into account and make it a central part of the story. Even more they get another point right and that is Deadpool's humor and way of taking nothing serious is his way to coup with his own tragedy and pain.
Ryan really gets the character because he can’t shut up, is always cracking jokes but theirs always brief moments where you can tell he’s actually bothered by things happening but can’t bring himself to openly acknowledge it. In the comics he often helps by being an obstacle either for the people he’s helping or fighting. Deadpool and Wolverine are two immortals that are always the supporting cast. Deadpool’s stories never have him driving the story, he’s always at someone else’s side or in opposition. Similarly for Wolverine he’s lived a long life but history often forgets he was even there and his most defining role is a member of the X-Men, a group he’s not even the Leader of. Deadpool wants that spotlight that he can’t have because his nature wouldn’t allow him to have it. My favorite comic moment from him was him helping the X-Men win over the public eye, X-Men didn’t want him anywhere near the situation and they were right to do so because Deadpool thought it’d be great to assassinate Norman Osborn who was leading the Anti-Mutant Rally. The X-Men knew this would only make things worse so they end up fighting him on live TV saving Norman and in the process people cheer on the Mutants who saved Norman. This was Deadpool’s plan the whole time. He’s a true Anti-Hero because being a man who does the right thing the right way isn’t him, he’s the guy everyone beats up to look better.
Sometimes you read a casting decision and go “okay, I guess it could work.” Sometimes you go “Yeah that’s a good choice”. And sometimes you question how it could have been anyone else. Reynolds as Deadpool was the last one.
13:25 - "Not everyone's the world-saving type. I'm not, and I'm happy." - Happy Hogan This line flies past so fast, I don't think it gets enough apppreciation.
It's such a great scene and very important for us regular folks to hear. People laugh at it because what Happy is saying sounds harsh but he's right. We all want to be an avenger, a millionaire, etc. but we need to do the daily work on ourselves instead of looking to others to feed our insecurities.
The rant in the car is award worthy. Seriously, it's one of the most incredible pieces of dramatic acting I've seen in years and it's in a Marvel film. And a Deadpool one at that.
..i must be missing something because in my opinion that scene was okay, yes, but. not award worthy? i feel like it only looks good in contrast with the rest of the (okay, most of the) movie(s) and with deadpool’s character/demeanour. am i. am i wrong??? to me this looks like praising a scene that did the _bare minimum_ as if it had genius writing and performance. what the hell am i missing here. i’ve seen people call this scene perfect and good and genius so many times and honestly i’m just confused
@@oserty it's not a case of being right or wrong, if it didn't move you in anyway it didn't move you. It's as simple as that. For me, the reason it's so good is because Wolverine is a man of few words and almost boundless, pent up rage. Deadpool promised Wolverine that his past mistakes could be fixed. The mistakes that define this wolverine. That makes him the 'worst'. Wolverine NEEDS that redemption so when he finds out that Wade lied and can do no such thing the rage and dialogue he projects comes from the depths of his very soul, and Hugh Jackman does a wonderful job of it. It's a very serious moment in an otherwise silly film. You can IMO any of that, and like I say it's not about right or wrong, but that's why I thought it was incredible.
@@moosegrinder okay i understand it a little better now, thank you! and i will not fight you on jackman’s performance haha he _is_ a pretty good actor. i can’t find it in me to be awed by the scene but jackman’s performance is the best part of it, to me
The great thing about the writing when Logan is going off on Deadpool in the car is that he's also talking about himself. Wolverine is just as much of an anti-hero, and he's having the same struggle about feeling like he's failed to be the hero his loved ones wanted him to be. Teaming these two up to be each other's foil was a genius script move. The Oscars always snub superhero movies, but damn this script deserves a nomination at least. It's a fucking masterpiece.
"No wonder the [X-men] didn't take you, and they'll take fucking *anyone*." That right there. Someone pointed this line out in a Tumblr post and every time I come back to it I'm in pain.
@@MsBigactWith all due respect, have you ever seen a good film in your life? I'm a goddamn writer and I was crying at the end. Yes, the pacing is off in pretty much all three of them but I don't even really care, the dialogues are perfect. If you don't like the humor, that's not on them, just don't watch it.
@trebaneconapise7793 haha dang I wasn't coming at you personally, my dude. The first one was decent. And yeah, the humor isn't my thing because it's overdone by the third movie, and they rely on it rather than good writing. We don't all have to like the same stuff.
My favorite detail in Logan's monologue is when he punches the roof of the Odyssey, on the punctuation of "God" in "But its one of God's best jokes that you cant die". Its such a small thing, but it conveys so much weight to his rage that hes actually throwing hands upwards to the heavens. Its so quick, so hard, and its like the only thing he does besides just talking to Wade's face that it makes it stand out
In the comics, Deadpool was originally supposed to be a villain. But he ended up having a lot of heroic traits that were not ethical - an Anti-Hero. Majority of villains do bad things thinking on a massive level that what they do is for the better of people, even if it means suffering and death. Deadpool is that, but is more singular ( for the most part ) in his targets and they have to be actual bad people. All that said, which is extremely condensed, Wade is also the kindest person you could meet. I think my favorite scene in one of the comics I've read is when he's on a night patrol and he sees a teenager standing at the top of a building contemplating jumping. He's able to talk to her, talk to her enough to convince her to come down and takes her to a hospital to get her check up. Deadpool isn't a bad person, but he's not a good person: he's kinda and a kinder person than he gives himself credit for. Because anyone can be bad, anyone can be good, but not everyone can be kind.
He's also extremely considerate in his kindness. There was a story where he was working with Hawkeye after he lost his hearing and he made sure the bottom of his mask was up and he was always facing Clint so Clint could lip read him. It was a very sweet, but simple gesture that meant a Lot to Clint in that time.
And to add to what you said, not only does he take her to the hospital, he gives her a night out on the town after making a joke that if she's gonna jump, to do it off of Parker Industries (Peter has his own tech company in that universe) at least. She asks him "What is wrong with you?" and he goes "Look I know I can't stop you, so at least let me show you a good time first. He lied to her to save her and when he drops her off, she's pissed at him and goes "This isn't what I wanted!" and he replies along the lines of "Yeah but it's what you need." before taking off to reflect about he wishes he could do that for himself. Wade has always been this miserable, broken person and granted he will make SEVERAL mistakes or poor lapses in judgement, he does so with the best intentions like a golden retriever with leprosy.
He takes her places, including cashing into a Hamilton performance [and beating up some shady barons] and taking her on his "pro-bono beatings" ride, and in the end, he drives her to a hospital, that he alerted beforehand, but je doesnt actually force her to go in, only gently talks her up and offers to walk with her. He doesn't talk down to her and treats her as an autonomous person, which is really rare in media depictions of "saving" suicidal people. It's a really lovely issue, #20 from 2016, if anyone wants to read it [you should, I've skipped the best details].
He was a villain, the reason he’s more anti-villain/anti-hero now is because he tries to be better, but he’s still a bad person. He’s a mercenary that will do a lot of bad things to people that do and don’t deserve it for money, he’s a pretty shitty friend and makes bad decisions that end up pushing him away from heroism. He’s got morally positive traits and the things you said about him are true, but he struggles with being like that a lot
The thing I love about Wade is because of all the gratuitous violence and gore, his incredible moments of gentleness and tenderness stand out all the more.
Wade's inner monologue is his own worst enemy, and his greatest strength. Anyone who has EVER struggled with insecurity and feeling like you'll never measure up can 1000% relate to that.
Right after Wolverine finishes telling off Deadpool before he says “I’m going to fight you”, Wolverine looks down and his face drops for a half second . You can tell he feels a little guilty about telling him off. Just a moment of guilt all with his face
The best part of Deadpool, in my honest opinion, is that while he's somewhat of a Hero, he's also an unapologetic ass. He swears, he shoots and ends people, he's vulgar and rude, he jokes about everything even if it's somewhat sensitive but he'll be there for those who need it and he'll do his damn best to help them if he can. He's my favorite example of an anti-hero; he's heroic in all the ways that are necessary but also not heroic in all the ways that aren't entirely necessary.
19:08 The best part of this scene is that in the script it says something like “a glimmer of deep regret shows in his eyes but is quickly extinguished,” and Hugh Jackman plays that so incredibly well. What a legendary actor👏👏👏
Deadpool, as a Marvel Character, is incredible important to me and I'm eternally thankful for Ryan capturing him so well. Facing his (in the comics) downright SEVERE depression is a key theme and none of the usual coping mechanism works because of his healing factor. He HAS to get up and do it the hard way - and that's what makes him so incredible important.
Deadpool has been one of my main comfort characters since the early 2000s when i began reading his comics. he is the epitome of tragedy and comedy all in one.... in the comics he has lost it all multiple times, he has been abused, tortured, and literally torn apart. his brain rebuilds itself different every time, resulting in multiple different psychotic episodes. and yet he still strives to do the right thing, even if he does it in a way that is "not heroic". he has been shoved aside by most hero groups, even in his darkest times. and he still gets up and keeps going and does it with a laugh and a smile and a joke. ryan!pool is amazing and the movies have brought him to life in a wonderful and different way and i love them so much. i saw DPnW 10 times in theater, and countless times since, and it has made me cry every time. when he said "i want to matter" that hit me hard. the fact that he is *finally* being given the credit that he is due as an anti-hero just makes me so happy. i havent even watched the video yet and i know i'm going to cry. to me, he symbolizes working past your trauma (ok only in the movies really) and realizing that you can love and be loved in spite of it. i could write a 10 page essay on why i love and identify with deadpool honestly. i cannot wait to watch this. (after my doctors appt, this will be a nice treat)
Logan's monolog hit close to home. I think a lot of people have had someone they care about, or look up to, throw their insecurities in their face during an argument. The defeat, or even confirmation, on Wade's "face" said everything.
Those moments when a fight about one thing turns into a "let me just remind you of all the things you're most insecure about; I don't even remember why we're fighting anymore, I just want to be better than you"... probably the worst traits a partner ever shows.
The first movie date with my wife was Deadpool... I was pretty hyped for the movie, but I think she was more excited than me... knew she was a keeper from then on.
Even in the early on skate park scene, he goes from "There, I helped ya" to "Man, I oughta hang out here and show all you teens how to skate" to "Oh, I'm being hugged. Yup, I do this for the approval! ...And also the money."
The Wolverine speech actually stunned me, I know the feeling when someone goes off like that and you just feel it deep in you. The greatest choice in this comedy movie, in a cinematic universe filled with bathos, was to not let him joke. It sells it so much more that he just wants violence. Plus you get the trope of the always quippy comic character finally shutting up, and that's always terrifying and impactful.
"That kid was abused. You can always tell." That speaks soooo much too Deadpool's background without actually saying anything about his background. One of the many reasons why 2 is my favorite.
OMG LOL I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING WHEN THEY WERE TALKING A BIT ABOUT LOGAN I WAS LIKE: WELL NOW I WANT TO KINDA HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN ABOUT WOLVERINE TOO!
Every time I see Hugh Jackman’s monologue in this film, it makes me think that this may have been one of his best outings as Wolverine. You guys should definitely do an episode on his Wolverine. I know there’s a lot of material to sort through but between his anger issues, identity issues, and attachment issues, this character has a lot of important things to teach us. Anyway, great episode I never saw coming. I love all that you guys do, so thank you.
I was too young to watch Deadpool when it came out and ever since then, I never bothered to think much about Deadpool movies at all. But now that I have grown up and have been enlightened by Cinema Therapy, I feel like I really wanted to watch movies about Deadpool now. So thank you again, Cinema Therapy!
i literally can't wait until my kids are old enough to watch deadpool because i know they will love it just as much as i do and the lessons are truly eternal.
@@dietotaku If you do watch it, def have subtitles on because a lot of the jokes are quick and take a sec to sink in, especially since a lot of references might be a bit over even an 18-year-old's head
I would rather break the law to save an abused child than obey the law and protect the abusers. Because I was abused and the law didn't protect me, and I didn't know if it even could, because the abuse was hidden; it nearly always is. So if Deadpool's way is the only way, then he's the hero we need.
What EVERYONE seems to miss in the scene where Logan verbally tears into DP in the Honda, is that in the moment between his "You got nothin to say, mouth!" and DPs response...there's a split second on Logan's face where you can SEE that he regrets what he said. Not that he thinks it's untrue, necessarily...but he regrets that the words came out. He regrets that he said it. He KNOWS DP is just trying to save the people he loves. He KNOWS what that feels like. He KNOWS he can't blame him for lying to do it because he himself has DONE worse for the same reason. He knows he's just mad because it was just done to him. Then DP responds in that hurt, angry whisper..."I'm gonna fight you now." And Logan can't stop himself from laughing at the absurdity of it. And we get one of the more epic fights in the movie...
My take on Deadpool & Wolverine about DP that I frequently see in myself: a bit of imposter syndrome. He thinks he’s not good enough so ends up in a rut that takes something bigger than himself to overcome. It’s not an overnight, but making something happen is up to you…. Moving forward requires you to make the first step.
I haven't seen this video yet and I'm just commenting so idk if my points get brought up, but I saw a guy do a video about him and I want to highlight his point. The reason why Wade doesn't "fit in" with Xavier's school for the gifted is because he wasn't born a mutant. X men were mostly people who were born the way that they were, while Wade acquired his powers through trauma Metaphorically, x men were born disabled while Wade became disabled due to an accident. I just love deadpool so much he's such an interesting character
Right? I still have that issue.. If I'm not being actively helpful in some way, be it doing something to help someone else reach their own goal or just being entertaining to others while present, I feel like a useless lump who doesn't deserve to exist. I have to keep reminding myself that I don't need to be "useful" to exist; I'm allowed to just exist.
It’s been alluded to a couple of times (humorously and not) that Wade has suffered from child abuse. It makes the “He’s been abused, you can always tell” line hit a lot harder
Ive cried watching movies. But ive never cried so hard in a theatre, 3 watches in a row, to that "like a prayer" scene. Masterful filmmaking... it reached an emotion in my soul that i am unable to share with anyone i know, and it makes it that much more impactful on my spirit.
One more thing- Nova’s fingers physically going into their heads is the most perfect visual of how a toxic person or bad thoughts get INTO z your head.
Oh my god I was just thinking thirty minutes ago how much you guys needed to do an episode on DP. (While rewatching your Iroh, Anakin, and Snape videos of course)
What nobody has ever mentioned about the scene where Wolverine rips into deadpool is at the end you can tell that he felt bad about it, that subtle facial expression shift and the way he looks away...
20:34 I appreciate you highlighting this topic, Alan! As a VFX artist, the ongoing “No CGI” debate can be incredibly frustrating! I’m truly thankful to anyone who makes an effort to bring awareness and promote a deeper understanding of the work we do.
I think it's a really interesting shift to see Deadpool in the first movie being inspired to be 'heroic' by others, then figuring out what being a hero actually means to him in the second film, resulting in the third film, where he is one of the ones to try to inspire Wolverine to be a hero once more. It's possible to be a positive influence and a force of good in the world without being a 'Big H' Hero - or maybe thats what being a hero is all about in the first place anyways.
I love you guys. Deadpool is the most important Marvel hero to me, without getting into some rather wordy specifics. I’ve always known there was real beauty beneath Wade’s eternal-burn-victim skin, and I thank you two for showing me what that beauty is.
I don’t think a different movie featuring Deadpool alongside Wolverine ever existed. Did he remove it from existence with Cable’s Time Machine? (Sarcasm)
I've never been so STOKED for one of your videos 😂 I LOVE Deadpool. Having a "hero" who goes through his hero journey not from being the bad guy turned good, but someone who utterly loathes himself to learn to love himself is just perfection.
I keep thinking a lot of characters act pompous and vulgar because they have so much love to give but they’re afraid to lose it; so as much as Deadpool acts over the top I always know there’s gonna be BIG depth as well.
18:32 What I love about this scene (except what you already said) is that Wolverine is talking to Deadpool, but you can see he is talking about himself too and you can see that when he calms down he kind of realizes that he was harsh and knows that the message was not for Deadpool. Till Deadpool respond and then he return to that stoic Wolverine.
This... THIS is the relationship people should be aspiring to!! Wade and Vanessa over freaking Joker and Harley a thousand times over!!! The thing also about Logan's speech is that was how he viewed himself at one point too. He was critiquing himself just as much as Wade in that moment.
He is, and you can even see the moment he realizes that he's also talking about himself, and that maybe he went a little too far and below the belt. Right before Deadpool says he's gonna fight him. Both of these guys put in epic performances there.
Equally it would be nice if Marvel and Disney would introduce certain characters like Wade’s daughter Ellie Camacho, who is Deadpool at the moment since Wade is currently ‘dead’ (even though inevitably he’s going to get brought back.) Another character I would like to see introduced to general audiences through the movies would be Valentine Vuong, and yes I’m aware that Disney seems eager to follow in Fox’s footsteps and treat Vanessa as Wade’s one ‘true’ love, but Valentine just existing as a friend would be on some level good enough for me, (at least on the official level if you know what I’m talking about.)
I love that Deadpool's whole arc throughout the whole trilogy is a deconstruction of his mythology. In the comics, Deadpool has absolutely 0% sentimentality and nihilistic because he's aware that he's a comic character so he becomes an anarchist, I mean, he literally dared Death. However, in the films, his arc about becoming a true hero because he has people to care about and they care about him too, it's beautiful. He becomes a Hero, in his own way.
I never noticed it before, but after Wolverines speech and DP's face falling, the cut back to Wolverine shows that hes regretting what he just said. Its suble, but 100% there.
Well done Ryan for not giving up on this character and bringing him back for his own movies. I’m a big Deadpool comic fan and when I saw him in Wolverine Origins I knew Ryan was perfect for Wade (despite all the other issues with the film). He really gets the character ❤
That car scene was such a great homage to Planes, Trains and Automobiles. If you look closely at Hugh Jackman at the end of his rant, you can see just a flicker of regret cross his mind. Very reminiscent of Steve Martin after tearing a strip off of John Candy. Brilliant.
Deadpool honestly reminds me of one of my favorite shows, Penn & Teller Bullshit. Both have massive profanity, adult themes, crude jokes, and tackle subjects most of us don’t want to… but deep down both are almost cloyingly positive and tender and sweet. For all the blood, gore, f words, drug references, sexualization, the Deadpool movies ultimately end with “be a good person and do right by your friends and family.” It’s really touching and, I believe, the reason they remain successful. That, and they’re damned funny and chock full of fan service and references, but the beating heart is important too.
I've loved all if the Deadpool movies, and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is totally irreplaceable, but this is by far my favorite movie in the DP franchise, and really up there for Wolverine (sorry, but there is no beating Logan).
Watching Alan get so emotional at 19:26 really hit me. I honestly got emotional at the same part and glad I'm not the only one! It's such a powerful delivery.
The most under-appreciated part of these videos is the opening minute. Credit to David Sant for that banger every time! Love the psychology of BLANK series btw.
I mean... Which part of the movie, right? ;) Probably not the almost suicidal, nor the "I need to do it because of (X person)"... But there is plenty of good to take from it.
13:17 - I personally believe in aiming as high as you can, so that even when you fall short you know you made it as absolutely high as you could, but you can't beat yourself up over not always making it exactly as high as you aimed....be happy that you just even _tried_ - like running a race and being okay with it even if you didn't win, but not because you didn't even sincerely try to win, even if you are also sometimes a little bummed about it or wished you could have actually won for a little while too(just accepting that not winning everything all the time doesn't actually make you lesser than someone who wins, it's just that different people are different, and it's not always necessarily a matter of better or worse..and even if some people are better or worse than others at some things, everybody has different things they are better or worse at than others and again that alone doesn't make people greater or lesser value than each other as actual persons).
Whoa, been waiting for this one for so long! Wolverine's rant in the car is something I was on the receiving end of, almost ipsis literis. Jono's closing thoughts on Godzilla -1.0 was something that greatly helped me get by, and I feel like it resonates a lot with Wade in this one. LFG!!!
You broke down that scene where Wolverine rants at DP, and described everything that made that moment when DP's face falls and he is hurt and dejected, so perfectly. Nobody else seems to have understood that scene the way you guys have. I've been saying that one moment is my favourite moment in all three of the Deadpool movies, and you both nailed exactly why I love it.
When I saw the movie and got to Wolverine's monologue to Deadpool, I wondered what would happen after that gut punch. I figured that either all the seriousness would be broken apart by a joke, or the movie would experience a tonal shift that makes it uncomfortably un-Deadpool. I'm so glad they managed to find a middle ground by giving us the Honda Odyssey fight. It keeps the character tension by having the characters rightfully furious with each other while also giving us the fun of a freaking SUV being used as a battleground and arsenal.
I've always loved how the Deadpool movies have Heart as their central themes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't tear up when wade "Dies" in 2nd movie and meets Vanessa, or when he and Wolverine lock arms.
19:05 best part about this scene is that the last bit is also wolverine also putting out the same hatred he has for himself It applies to they both see themselves
18:30 The way Hugh Jackman gives himself a subtle underbite when he gets angry so he looks and sounds more like an animal (namely a wolverine) proves he was born for the role. Its so sad that when he dies there can never be another
Really hope you eventually do one of these for Ultron. He's such an interesting villain because he doesn't feel evil, just broken and hurt, but because he doesn't have the tools to manage it, that pain envelops everyone around him.
One thing about Deadpool that doesn't get enough praise is actually how Ryan Reynolds gets criticized for 'just playing Deadpool' in his other roles. I think that critiique of him playing his roles very safe consistent is valid, but it undersells how good he is in the Deadpool series. Wade really is a tragic character. He goes through some pretty traumatic experiences, and Ryan is willing to show the character going through those moments and bring the audience with him. The shock of him learning about his diagnosis, the hope to see Vanessa again after he mutates, his rage towards Francis when he realizes they're going to just torture him for their enjoyment, his anxiety when he's almost close enough to call out to her, etc. And that's all in the first movie. In the 2nd, you see him get protective and tender over an abused child, his inconsolable grief over Vanessa's death and struggling to reach her every time he dies. Ryan doesn't do much of this deeper stuff in his other movies, and so his performances there do feel superficial. But as Deadpool, he uses his superpowers, moral flexibility (and the R-rating) to laugh at his pain as a means of masking and diminshing its power (perhaps at the expense of facing his pain and growing from it).
I am really glad that this wasn't just about Deadpool to matter but giving importance to others of Wesley Snipes, Channing Tatum, Dafne Keen, and Jennifer Garner for their roles to shine in this film.
I clicked on this almost as quickly as I clicked on the "vs Uncle Iroh" video (still my favourite of all the CT videos I've seen). Deadpool is quite a fascinating character.
This really captures a lot of what Ryan brought to the character of Deadpool. Especially that conversation with Happy. Yes, Wade/Deadpool is crass, crude, raunchy, and irreverent... but it isn't because he doesn't care. He cares A LOT, but you really just get the feeling that... on the one hand, he's got some funky wiring in his head, and on the other... I don't know. I feel like he has been beaten down so much by life that he's learned to bury how much he cares because it gives the bastards of the world less to hurt him with. But it is still there, and when the chips are down, he will, like Cap (who he respects so much), jump onto the grenade in order to protect them. Going into Deadpool and Wolverine... I was expecting it to be awesome. Heck, even knowing how emotionally impactful the previous movies were... I wasn't expecting it to hit me as hard as it did. Some of it was, yes, Wade's story... but also, there's Wolverine and... the almost tender goodbye that it was to the Fox Marvel universe. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm glad that I got to see it in a nice theater. And I am very grateful for the epic, choral rendition of Like A Prayer that we got from it.
One quote that I learned from a video game movie was "You don't have to do big things to be a hero, just the right ones." I think this sums up Deadpool for the most part. In the third movie he wants to do big things in order to make himself worthy of being a hero. But what he finds out later is that you don't have to be part of something big to be a hero. You just have to do the right things, for the right reasons.
Attempt #(28) of asking for Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron!! Was my absolute childhood movie growing up and the filmmaking is so beautiful with amazing scores and concepts of loss and staying true to once nature even in the face of adversity!
Being Danish, I loved the joke Deadpool says about the Danes alternate between one week of work and one week of downtime and the subtitles made it even funnier! 🇩🇰😂Absolutely love the Deadpool and Wolverine characters and films! 😍🙌
I know only Part 1 is out right now but PLEASE do psychology of a hero/villain for Galinda and Elphaba from Wicked!! Their characters are extremely complex and heavily plays on niceness vs kindness.
That scene with Wolverine is also brilliant and heartbreaking because he talks about how dumb Wade acts but he doesn’t know that Wade uses his humor to cope with his trauma and insecurities
Jonathan, you look like how I imagined Elijah Wood would have looked at your age. Also you're one of my favorite channels and I feel like I almost always well up with tears and realize something new about myself every time I watch them.
I did not grow up watching the X-Men or any solo Wolverine movies (I didn't really get into superhero movies until Far From Home). So this movie was my first real experience with Wolverine and Huge Jackmen did such a fantastic job that I'm now convinced to go watch all the those movies.
I’ve just started watching you guys and have got my husband into it as well - we’re obsessed! I’ve been binge watching your videos and they are just soooo good! Fascinating analysis, we absolutely love it!! Keep doing what you’re doing!
Hi @cinema therapy! Been subscribed to your channel for 2 years now, love the work that you do and I cannot be more thankful for being the internet dads. I have a suggestion for an episode: The Willoughbys
Not only do these videos teach me so much about myself and how to cope but man y’all rlly show how good movies are as well. Everytime I watch a video I find myself thinking I never really understood movies or how they were made and the purpose and message they try to put across until cinema therapy! ❤😂
I was surprised Jono & Alan didn’t show the scene just before Deadpool and Wolverine go into the chamber to stop the Time Ripper below Cassandra, it was such a raw, genuine moment between the characters and the actors (it’s been out long enough and it’s streaming Disney+ now, or spoiler warnings could’ve been added) because Wolverine justifies that it has to be him because Wade “has people,” but Wade sacrificing himself and locking Logan out shows that he (Logan) has someone (Wade)… And I love the director Shawn Levy has said that it’s the moment they stop being Deadpool & Wolverine and they’re Ryan & Hugh. I can hold it together and not let the tears flow in that moment, but I WITHOUT FAIL cry the moment Wolverine appears taking his hand in the chamber. ❤️💛
I would love it if you guys did an episode on Logan. I'm going through pretty tough things I won't spill my guts about now, but watching Logan trying his hardest and still getting absolutely thrashed in the movie felt pretty relatable, so I'd love to hear a therapist and filmmaker's take on that
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Deadpool is the personification of "You gotta laugh or else you'll cry".
a bit like the movie 50 First Dates, if there was no comedy in it, it would be a depressing film.
In one of the comics he has a great bit where he says roughly, "When confronted with something traumatic there's only two natural responses, laughter or tears. And laughter after all is nature's anesthesia." showing a panel of his fingers cut off and saying, 'guess I'm all thumbs' and then continues, "Tears hurt too much." and shows a panel of him as a child knocking on his door until his knuckles are bleeding. It always really stuck with me.
It hurts more if you laugh instead of cry
The reason I love Deadpool is that for all his jokes and vulgarity and violence, he still has morals. He's not going out somewhere to hurt innocent people, he keeps his chaos targeted towards criminals.
CHAOS BEAM!!
He talks a lot about not being a hero, but he does a lot of good. He's a classic antihero -- not because he doesn't do heroic things, but because he actively rejects all the classic markers that are supposed to signal heroism.
I think a good example of this is honestly in the comics. One of the issues from around the time of the movie had him discover a woman trying to jump off the roof of his building, and while he did do what you expect, like making jokes, taking her on a mission and randomly holding two people hostage for Hamilton tickets because if this was the last day of a person's life they were gonna have fun, but it ends with him taking her to a hospital, as during the show he had been texting contacts at The Avengers so they could set her up with care in the psychiatric unit, saying he isn't a hero and doesn't have all the answers, but they do. And that really stuck with me. He pushes off being a hero, yet he's saved lives in his own way.
he killed the only deadpool who couldn't heal himself just to get his dog and desert eagles,brother...
@@nalurodriigues to be fair, he didn't know he couldn't heal.
Wolverine's Monologue, I somewhat feel that the end of it was Wolverine talking about himself too. He's not just angry at Wade, he's angry at himself.
This makes a lotta sense, like when he punches the ceiling of the van, he's not just doing it to punctuate the "God's best joke" line, he's punching at God for both of them
Yes, 1000%, I was surprised they didn't catch it [or maybe they did, but will talk about it in the next episode, focused on Wolverine].
You can absolutely see that the longer the speech goes on, the more and more Logan yells not at Deadpool, but at himself, at all the bits and pieces of himself that he sees in Wade.
It's a surprisingly humanizing moment for the both of them, because Logan goes way too far, because he's mad at himself at least as much as he is at Wade, and yet it cuts Wade so deep he drops his main coping mechanism of sarcasm and jokes, only to see he has nothing left, he doesn't have healthy coping strategies, so all that's left for him to do is fight and all that anger out - which by default will be a stale mate, since neither of them is willing to stop, but also neither of them can die.
And I'm pretty sure most of us were on at least one side of an outburst like that, and those least lucky were on both, so you could see yourself in either one of them and absolutely understand how they'd feel.
Yes, especially when he said you can't die, but it's on all of us to go with you. He got the xmen killed & he has to live with survivor's guilt.
Agreed. Hugh is great at adding in little micro expressions and moments with his eyes that lend to that…
Yeah all that pent up rage just spilled out. Hugh did a GREAT job. I love this movie.
Deadpool is a symbolic representation of "Masking your traumas". Underneath the mask of humor, there is nothing but a living corpse that was once a man. People overlook this character when there is so much more that we could learn about him.
Exactly. That's something I really like about Deadpool and that is by all his silliness and humor (which I also really like, don't get me wrong), there is also a whole lot of tragedy in this character.
And I am really happy that the movies also take this side of him into account and make it a central part of the story. Even more they get another point right and that is Deadpool's humor and way of taking nothing serious is his way to coup with his own tragedy and pain.
Ryan really gets the character because he can’t shut up, is always cracking jokes but theirs always brief moments where you can tell he’s actually bothered by things happening but can’t bring himself to openly acknowledge it. In the comics he often helps by being an obstacle either for the people he’s helping or fighting. Deadpool and Wolverine are two immortals that are always the supporting cast. Deadpool’s stories never have him driving the story, he’s always at someone else’s side or in opposition. Similarly for Wolverine he’s lived a long life but history often forgets he was even there and his most defining role is a member of the X-Men, a group he’s not even the Leader of. Deadpool wants that spotlight that he can’t have because his nature wouldn’t allow him to have it. My favorite comic moment from him was him helping the X-Men win over the public eye, X-Men didn’t want him anywhere near the situation and they were right to do so because Deadpool thought it’d be great to assassinate Norman Osborn who was leading the Anti-Mutant Rally. The X-Men knew this would only make things worse so they end up fighting him on live TV saving Norman and in the process people cheer on the Mutants who saved Norman. This was Deadpool’s plan the whole time. He’s a true Anti-Hero because being a man who does the right thing the right way isn’t him, he’s the guy everyone beats up to look better.
Coming back to that line in the first movie: "Hah! Fake laugh, hiding real pain."
and you could say this was even before his transformation
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One of us dying? Sure... The two of us, holding hands while listening to Madonna... FUCKING INVINCIBLE!!!
Deadpool speaking to all of Hollywood on their "k*ll your gays" trope: "You have no power here~"
*Sundowner:* "I'M FUCKIN' INVINCIBLE!!!"
@azazeltheundyingdamienkali5700 (Insert Red Sun/Like a prayer remix)
Defying gravity starts playing... and they were roommates
Anytime I read a Deadpool comic, I always imagine Ryan Reynold’s voice speaking as Deadpool; I can never see anyone else playing him
Nolan North is also an incredible (and original) voice for him
I honestly love the Marvel Ultimate Alliance version myself.
Sometimes you read a casting decision and go “okay, I guess it could work.” Sometimes you go “Yeah that’s a good choice”. And sometimes you question how it could have been anyone else. Reynolds as Deadpool was the last one.
I can say for sure, Ryan Reynolds’s is the film deadpool and I can’t imagine anyone else in the movies but RR
@@roguetheotterRyan loves Nolan's work as Deadpool
13:25 - "Not everyone's the world-saving type. I'm not, and I'm happy." - Happy Hogan
This line flies past so fast, I don't think it gets enough apppreciation.
Alternatively, he’s saying it as: “… and I’m Happy,” which emphasizes his credibility.
It didn’t go unnoticed.
It's such a great scene and very important for us regular folks to hear. People laugh at it because what Happy is saying sounds harsh but he's right. We all want to be an avenger, a millionaire, etc. but we need to do the daily work on ourselves instead of looking to others to feed our insecurities.
The rant in the car is award worthy. Seriously, it's one of the most incredible pieces of dramatic acting I've seen in years and it's in a Marvel film. And a Deadpool one at that.
Hugh Jackman is a talented actor
It was nice to see some emotional depth in a Marvel film again.
..i must be missing something because in my opinion that scene was okay, yes, but. not award worthy? i feel like it only looks good in contrast with the rest of the (okay, most of the) movie(s) and with deadpool’s character/demeanour. am i. am i wrong??? to me this looks like praising a scene that did the _bare minimum_ as if it had genius writing and performance. what the hell am i missing here. i’ve seen people call this scene perfect and good and genius so many times and honestly i’m just confused
@@oserty it's not a case of being right or wrong, if it didn't move you in anyway it didn't move you. It's as simple as that.
For me, the reason it's so good is because Wolverine is a man of few words and almost boundless, pent up rage. Deadpool promised Wolverine that his past mistakes could be fixed. The mistakes that define this wolverine. That makes him the 'worst'. Wolverine NEEDS that redemption so when he finds out that Wade lied and can do no such thing the rage and dialogue he projects comes from the depths of his very soul, and Hugh Jackman does a wonderful job of it. It's a very serious moment in an otherwise silly film.
You can IMO any of that, and like I say it's not about right or wrong, but that's why I thought it was incredible.
@@moosegrinder okay i understand it a little better now, thank you! and i will not fight you on jackman’s performance haha he _is_ a pretty good actor. i can’t find it in me to be awed by the scene but jackman’s performance is the best part of it, to me
The great thing about the writing when Logan is going off on Deadpool in the car is that he's also talking about himself. Wolverine is just as much of an anti-hero, and he's having the same struggle about feeling like he's failed to be the hero his loved ones wanted him to be. Teaming these two up to be each other's foil was a genius script move. The Oscars always snub superhero movies, but damn this script deserves a nomination at least. It's a fucking masterpiece.
That was the only scene with actual good writing in the movie. And was made that good, in large part, due to Hugh Jackman's performance.
"No wonder the [X-men] didn't take you, and they'll take fucking *anyone*."
That right there. Someone pointed this line out in a Tumblr post and every time I come back to it I'm in pain.
@@MsBigactWith all due respect, have you ever seen a good film in your life? I'm a goddamn writer and I was crying at the end. Yes, the pacing is off in pretty much all three of them but I don't even really care, the dialogues are perfect. If you don't like the humor, that's not on them, just don't watch it.
@trebaneconapise7793 haha dang I wasn't coming at you personally, my dude. The first one was decent. And yeah, the humor isn't my thing because it's overdone by the third movie, and they rely on it rather than good writing. We don't all have to like the same stuff.
@@MsBigact oh please, the whole trilogy was chock full of masterful writing. just because there's a lot of fuckwords doesn't mean it's not good.
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My favorite detail in Logan's monologue is when he punches the roof of the Odyssey, on the punctuation of "God" in "But its one of God's best jokes that you cant die". Its such a small thing, but it conveys so much weight to his rage that hes actually throwing hands upwards to the heavens. Its so quick, so hard, and its like the only thing he does besides just talking to Wade's face that it makes it stand out
I like to imagine he's mimicking punching god in the balls
In the comics, Deadpool was originally supposed to be a villain. But he ended up having a lot of heroic traits that were not ethical - an Anti-Hero. Majority of villains do bad things thinking on a massive level that what they do is for the better of people, even if it means suffering and death. Deadpool is that, but is more singular ( for the most part ) in his targets and they have to be actual bad people. All that said, which is extremely condensed, Wade is also the kindest person you could meet. I think my favorite scene in one of the comics I've read is when he's on a night patrol and he sees a teenager standing at the top of a building contemplating jumping. He's able to talk to her, talk to her enough to convince her to come down and takes her to a hospital to get her check up.
Deadpool isn't a bad person, but he's not a good person: he's kinda and a kinder person than he gives himself credit for. Because anyone can be bad, anyone can be good, but not everyone can be kind.
He's also extremely considerate in his kindness. There was a story where he was working with Hawkeye after he lost his hearing and he made sure the bottom of his mask was up and he was always facing Clint so Clint could lip read him. It was a very sweet, but simple gesture that meant a Lot to Clint in that time.
The talking down the teenager is a parody of a Superman comic where he also stops someone jumping from a building, but in a traditional heroic way
And to add to what you said, not only does he take her to the hospital, he gives her a night out on the town after making a joke that if she's gonna jump, to do it off of Parker Industries (Peter has his own tech company in that universe) at least. She asks him "What is wrong with you?" and he goes "Look I know I can't stop you, so at least let me show you a good time first. He lied to her to save her and when he drops her off, she's pissed at him and goes "This isn't what I wanted!" and he replies along the lines of "Yeah but it's what you need." before taking off to reflect about he wishes he could do that for himself.
Wade has always been this miserable, broken person and granted he will make SEVERAL mistakes or poor lapses in judgement, he does so with the best intentions like a golden retriever with leprosy.
He takes her places, including cashing into a Hamilton performance [and beating up some shady barons] and taking her on his "pro-bono beatings" ride, and in the end, he drives her to a hospital, that he alerted beforehand, but je doesnt actually force her to go in, only gently talks her up and offers to walk with her. He doesn't talk down to her and treats her as an autonomous person, which is really rare in media depictions of "saving" suicidal people. It's a really lovely issue, #20 from 2016, if anyone wants to read it [you should, I've skipped the best details].
He was a villain, the reason he’s more anti-villain/anti-hero now is because he tries to be better, but he’s still a bad person. He’s a mercenary that will do a lot of bad things to people that do and don’t deserve it for money, he’s a pretty shitty friend and makes bad decisions that end up pushing him away from heroism.
He’s got morally positive traits and the things you said about him are true, but he struggles with being like that a lot
The thing I love about Wade is because of all the gratuitous violence and gore, his incredible moments of gentleness and tenderness stand out all the more.
True
Wade's inner monologue is his own worst enemy, and his greatest strength.
Anyone who has EVER struggled with insecurity and feeling like you'll never measure up can 1000% relate to that.
Right after Wolverine finishes telling off Deadpool before he says “I’m going to fight you”, Wolverine looks down and his face drops for a half second . You can tell he feels a little guilty about telling him off. Just a moment of guilt all with his face
Like wade logan masks his true emotions
I'm amazed that you managed to get 25 minutes of content out of these three movies that wouldn't get you instantly demonetized. Well done guys! :D
It just happens to be their superpower?
The best part of Deadpool, in my honest opinion, is that while he's somewhat of a Hero, he's also an unapologetic ass. He swears, he shoots and ends people, he's vulgar and rude, he jokes about everything even if it's somewhat sensitive but he'll be there for those who need it and he'll do his damn best to help them if he can.
He's my favorite example of an anti-hero; he's heroic in all the ways that are necessary but also not heroic in all the ways that aren't entirely necessary.
Oh, the curse bleeper's working overtime on this one.
19:08
The best part of this scene is that in the script it says something like “a glimmer of deep regret shows in his eyes but is quickly extinguished,” and Hugh Jackman plays that so incredibly well. What a legendary actor👏👏👏
i caught that too! gives Logan more dimensions
Saw it on first watch.
He meant what he said, but it cut deeper than he intended and he understood that.
Deadpool, as a Marvel Character, is incredible important to me and I'm eternally thankful for Ryan capturing him so well. Facing his (in the comics) downright SEVERE depression is a key theme and none of the usual coping mechanism works because of his healing factor. He HAS to get up and do it the hard way - and that's what makes him so incredible important.
Deadpool has been one of my main comfort characters since the early 2000s when i began reading his comics.
he is the epitome of tragedy and comedy all in one.... in the comics he has lost it all multiple times, he has been abused, tortured, and literally torn apart. his brain rebuilds itself different every time, resulting in multiple different psychotic episodes. and yet he still strives to do the right thing, even if he does it in a way that is "not heroic". he has been shoved aside by most hero groups, even in his darkest times. and he still gets up and keeps going and does it with a laugh and a smile and a joke.
ryan!pool is amazing and the movies have brought him to life in a wonderful and different way and i love them so much. i saw DPnW 10 times in theater, and countless times since, and it has made me cry every time. when he said "i want to matter" that hit me hard. the fact that he is *finally* being given the credit that he is due as an anti-hero just makes me so happy.
i havent even watched the video yet and i know i'm going to cry. to me, he symbolizes working past your trauma (ok only in the movies really) and realizing that you can love and be loved in spite of it.
i could write a 10 page essay on why i love and identify with deadpool honestly. i cannot wait to watch this. (after my doctors appt, this will be a nice treat)
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Logan's monolog hit close to home. I think a lot of people have had someone they care about, or look up to, throw their insecurities in their face during an argument. The defeat, or even confirmation, on Wade's "face" said everything.
Those moments when a fight about one thing turns into a "let me just remind you of all the things you're most insecure about; I don't even remember why we're fighting anymore, I just want to be better than you"... probably the worst traits a partner ever shows.
The first movie date with my wife was Deadpool... I was pretty hyped for the movie, but I think she was more excited than me... knew she was a keeper from then on.
My husband and I also saw Deadpool on our first date!
I have never clicked on a TH-cam video faster.
Same
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Literally the instant I saw this was uploaded!
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Same, but you commented the minute this was uploaded haha
Another fun bit is thanks to Wolverine’s “Have you been checked for ADHD?” Us ADHDers have claimed Deadpool as our one of us.
Even in the early on skate park scene, he goes from "There, I helped ya" to "Man, I oughta hang out here and show all you teens how to skate" to "Oh, I'm being hugged. Yup, I do this for the approval! ...And also the money."
Forgetting the guns all the time in the first movie, 'oh shit did I leave the stove on?' while in the middle of the highway fight... yup.
The Wolverine speech actually stunned me, I know the feeling when someone goes off like that and you just feel it deep in you. The greatest choice in this comedy movie, in a cinematic universe filled with bathos, was to not let him joke. It sells it so much more that he just wants violence. Plus you get the trope of the always quippy comic character finally shutting up, and that's always terrifying and impactful.
"That kid was abused. You can always tell."
That speaks soooo much too Deadpool's background without actually saying anything about his background. One of the many reasons why 2 is my favorite.
PLEEEEEASE do Wolverine next!!!
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OMG LOL I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING WHEN THEY WERE TALKING A BIT ABOUT LOGAN I WAS LIKE: WELL NOW I WANT TO KINDA HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN ABOUT WOLVERINE TOO!
@@CinemaTherapyShow...my Christmas wish came true!!!!
Every time I see Hugh Jackman’s monologue in this film, it makes me think that this may have been one of his best outings as Wolverine. You guys should definitely do an episode on his Wolverine. I know there’s a lot of material to sort through but between his anger issues, identity issues, and attachment issues, this character has a lot of important things to teach us. Anyway, great episode I never saw coming. I love all that you guys do, so thank you.
I was too young to watch Deadpool when it came out and ever since then, I never bothered to think much about Deadpool movies at all. But now that I have grown up and have been enlightened by Cinema Therapy, I feel like I really wanted to watch movies about Deadpool now. So thank you again, Cinema Therapy!
i literally can't wait until my kids are old enough to watch deadpool because i know they will love it just as much as i do and the lessons are truly eternal.
@@dietotaku If you do watch it, def have subtitles on because a lot of the jokes are quick and take a sec to sink in, especially since a lot of references might be a bit over even an 18-year-old's head
I would rather break the law to save an abused child than obey the law and protect the abusers. Because I was abused and the law didn't protect me, and I didn't know if it even could, because the abuse was hidden; it nearly always is. So if Deadpool's way is the only way, then he's the hero we need.
FUCKING AGREED!!!
What EVERYONE seems to miss in the scene where Logan verbally tears into DP in the Honda, is that in the moment between his "You got nothin to say, mouth!" and DPs response...there's a split second on Logan's face where you can SEE that he regrets what he said. Not that he thinks it's untrue, necessarily...but he regrets that the words came out. He regrets that he said it. He KNOWS DP is just trying to save the people he loves. He KNOWS what that feels like. He KNOWS he can't blame him for lying to do it because he himself has DONE worse for the same reason. He knows he's just mad because it was just done to him.
Then DP responds in that hurt, angry whisper..."I'm gonna fight you now." And Logan can't stop himself from laughing at the absurdity of it. And we get one of the more epic fights in the movie...
My take on Deadpool & Wolverine about DP that I frequently see in myself: a bit of imposter syndrome. He thinks he’s not good enough so ends up in a rut that takes something bigger than himself to overcome. It’s not an overnight, but making something happen is up to you…. Moving forward requires you to make the first step.
I wanted to request an ep on Wolverine but then you said it's already coming? - chef's kiss - thanks guys, you got my back!
Friday!!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Oh yeaaaah! I'm ready!!!
I haven't seen this video yet and I'm just commenting so idk if my points get brought up, but I saw a guy do a video about him and I want to highlight his point.
The reason why Wade doesn't "fit in" with Xavier's school for the gifted is because he wasn't born a mutant. X men were mostly people who were born the way that they were, while Wade acquired his powers through trauma
Metaphorically, x men were born disabled while Wade became disabled due to an accident.
I just love deadpool so much he's such an interesting character
The CTU: Provo insert. Absolutely loved that 😂. You guys always have such wonderful sponsor ads!
'I helped others because then I would have worth [and] have value' - oof I feel personally attacked now xD
Right? I still have that issue.. If I'm not being actively helpful in some way, be it doing something to help someone else reach their own goal or just being entertaining to others while present, I feel like a useless lump who doesn't deserve to exist. I have to keep reminding myself that I don't need to be "useful" to exist; I'm allowed to just exist.
It’s been alluded to a couple of times (humorously and not) that Wade has suffered from child abuse. It makes the “He’s been abused, you can always tell” line hit a lot harder
Ive cried watching movies. But ive never cried so hard in a theatre, 3 watches in a row, to that "like a prayer" scene. Masterful filmmaking... it reached an emotion in my soul that i am unable to share with anyone i know, and it makes it that much more impactful on my spirit.
One more thing- Nova’s fingers physically going into their heads is the most perfect visual of how a toxic person or bad thoughts get INTO z your head.
Oh my god I was just thinking thirty minutes ago how much you guys needed to do an episode on DP. (While rewatching your Iroh, Anakin, and Snape videos of course)
What nobody has ever mentioned about the scene where Wolverine rips into deadpool is at the end you can tell that he felt bad about it, that subtle facial expression shift and the way he looks away...
20:34 I appreciate you highlighting this topic, Alan!
As a VFX artist, the ongoing “No CGI” debate can be incredibly frustrating! I’m truly thankful to anyone who makes an effort to bring awareness and promote a deeper understanding of the work we do.
I think it's a really interesting shift to see Deadpool in the first movie being inspired to be 'heroic' by others, then figuring out what being a hero actually means to him in the second film, resulting in the third film, where he is one of the ones to try to inspire Wolverine to be a hero once more. It's possible to be a positive influence and a force of good in the world without being a 'Big H' Hero - or maybe thats what being a hero is all about in the first place anyways.
I love you guys. Deadpool is the most important Marvel hero to me, without getting into some rather wordy specifics. I’ve always known there was real beauty beneath Wade’s eternal-burn-victim skin, and I thank you two for showing me what that beauty is.
Symmetry: Wolverine shutting Wade up after their parallel film-that-shall-not-be-named moment where Wade literally couldn't talk.
I don’t think a different movie featuring Deadpool alongside Wolverine ever existed. Did he remove it from existence with Cable’s Time Machine?
(Sarcasm)
I've never been so STOKED for one of your videos 😂 I LOVE Deadpool. Having a "hero" who goes through his hero journey not from being the bad guy turned good, but someone who utterly loathes himself to learn to love himself is just perfection.
I keep thinking a lot of characters act pompous and vulgar because they have so much love to give but they’re afraid to lose it; so as much as Deadpool acts over the top I always know there’s gonna be BIG depth as well.
The closed captions taking Happy and naming him "Lucky" has me rolling
18:32 What I love about this scene (except what you already said) is that Wolverine is talking to Deadpool, but you can see he is talking about himself too and you can see that when he calms down he kind of realizes that he was harsh and knows that the message was not for Deadpool. Till Deadpool respond and then he return to that stoic Wolverine.
This... THIS is the relationship people should be aspiring to!! Wade and Vanessa over freaking Joker and Harley a thousand times over!!! The thing also about Logan's speech is that was how he viewed himself at one point too. He was critiquing himself just as much as Wade in that moment.
He is, and you can even see the moment he realizes that he's also talking about himself, and that maybe he went a little too far and below the belt. Right before Deadpool says he's gonna fight him. Both of these guys put in epic performances there.
He even mentions how the X-Men will take in "anyone", including the stand-offish asshole who pretends to not wanna be a team player
Equally it would be nice if Marvel and Disney would introduce certain characters like Wade’s daughter Ellie Camacho, who is Deadpool at the moment since Wade is currently ‘dead’ (even though inevitably he’s going to get brought back.) Another character I would like to see introduced to general audiences through the movies would be Valentine Vuong, and yes I’m aware that Disney seems eager to follow in Fox’s footsteps and treat Vanessa as Wade’s one ‘true’ love, but Valentine just existing as a friend would be on some level good enough for me, (at least on the official level if you know what I’m talking about.)
The person in charge of music for these movies is a genius. They made sure we got both the most amazing versions of Take On Me and Like A Prayer
I love that Deadpool's whole arc throughout the whole trilogy is a deconstruction of his mythology. In the comics, Deadpool has absolutely 0% sentimentality and nihilistic because he's aware that he's a comic character so he becomes an anarchist, I mean, he literally dared Death. However, in the films, his arc about becoming a true hero because he has people to care about and they care about him too, it's beautiful. He becomes a Hero, in his own way.
This is true to an extent, but it would be nice if we eventually got to meet a live action interpretation of Ellie or Valentine.
I never noticed it before, but after Wolverines speech and DP's face falling, the cut back to Wolverine shows that hes regretting what he just said. Its suble, but 100% there.
Well done Ryan for not giving up on this character and bringing him back for his own movies. I’m a big Deadpool comic fan and when I saw him in Wolverine Origins I knew Ryan was perfect for Wade (despite all the other issues with the film). He really gets the character ❤
That car scene was such a great homage to Planes, Trains and Automobiles. If you look closely at Hugh Jackman at the end of his rant, you can see just a flicker of regret cross his mind. Very reminiscent of Steve Martin after tearing a strip off of John Candy. Brilliant.
Deadpool honestly reminds me of one of my favorite shows, Penn & Teller Bullshit. Both have massive profanity, adult themes, crude jokes, and tackle subjects most of us don’t want to… but deep down both are almost cloyingly positive and tender and sweet. For all the blood, gore, f words, drug references, sexualization, the Deadpool movies ultimately end with “be a good person and do right by your friends and family.” It’s really touching and, I believe, the reason they remain successful. That, and they’re damned funny and chock full of fan service and references, but the beating heart is important too.
I loved Bullshit back in college.
Let’s F***ing go 💛❤️
Nothing will ever beat the cameos in Deadpool and Wolverine
I've loved all if the Deadpool movies, and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is totally irreplaceable, but this is by far my favorite movie in the DP franchise, and really up there for Wolverine (sorry, but there is no beating Logan).
The only way the MCU could replace Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is if they use the Laura Kinney version of Wolverine instead of the Logan version
Watching Alan get so emotional at 19:26 really hit me. I honestly got emotional at the same part and glad I'm not the only one! It's such a powerful delivery.
8:05 but the bad guys wouldn't be brought before a judge, jury, or executioner, hence the problem, hence the solution.
The most under-appreciated part of these videos is the opening minute. Credit to David Sant for that banger every time! Love the psychology of BLANK series btw.
I’m only half embarassed to say this movie shaped my personality for a whole year
I mean... Which part of the movie, right? ;) Probably not the almost suicidal, nor the "I need to do it because of (X person)"... But there is plenty of good to take from it.
I love when Jonathan and Alan tailor their breakdowns to match a facet of what they are reviewing. In this case, the use of fourth-wall breaks.
13:17 - I personally believe in aiming as high as you can, so that even when you fall short you know you made it as absolutely high as you could, but you can't beat yourself up over not always making it exactly as high as you aimed....be happy that you just even _tried_ - like running a race and being okay with it even if you didn't win, but not because you didn't even sincerely try to win, even if you are also sometimes a little bummed about it or wished you could have actually won for a little while too(just accepting that not winning everything all the time doesn't actually make you lesser than someone who wins, it's just that different people are different, and it's not always necessarily a matter of better or worse..and even if some people are better or worse than others at some things, everybody has different things they are better or worse at than others and again that alone doesn't make people greater or lesser value than each other as actual persons).
Whoa, been waiting for this one for so long! Wolverine's rant in the car is something I was on the receiving end of, almost ipsis literis.
Jono's closing thoughts on Godzilla -1.0 was something that greatly helped me get by, and I feel like it resonates a lot with Wade in this one. LFG!!!
Yes! This and Logan are some of my longest anticipated videos
You broke down that scene where Wolverine rants at DP, and described everything that made that moment when DP's face falls and he is hurt and dejected, so perfectly. Nobody else seems to have understood that scene the way you guys have. I've been saying that one moment is my favourite moment in all three of the Deadpool movies, and you both nailed exactly why I love it.
When I saw the movie and got to Wolverine's monologue to Deadpool, I wondered what would happen after that gut punch. I figured that either all the seriousness would be broken apart by a joke, or the movie would experience a tonal shift that makes it uncomfortably un-Deadpool.
I'm so glad they managed to find a middle ground by giving us the Honda Odyssey fight. It keeps the character tension by having the characters rightfully furious with each other while also giving us the fun of a freaking SUV being used as a battleground and arsenal.
I've always loved how the Deadpool movies have Heart as their central themes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't tear up when wade "Dies" in 2nd movie and meets Vanessa, or when he and Wolverine lock arms.
19:05 best part about this scene is that the last bit is also wolverine also putting out the same hatred he has for himself
It applies to they both see themselves
18:30
The way Hugh Jackman gives himself a subtle underbite when he gets angry so he looks and sounds more like an animal (namely a wolverine) proves he was born for the role. Its so sad that when he dies there can never be another
At least we'll have him till he's 90 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Really hope you eventually do one of these for Ultron. He's such an interesting villain because he doesn't feel evil, just broken and hurt, but because he doesn't have the tools to manage it, that pain envelops everyone around him.
One thing about Deadpool that doesn't get enough praise is actually how Ryan Reynolds gets criticized for 'just playing Deadpool' in his other roles. I think that critiique of him playing his roles very safe consistent is valid, but it undersells how good he is in the Deadpool series.
Wade really is a tragic character. He goes through some pretty traumatic experiences, and Ryan is willing to show the character going through those moments and bring the audience with him. The shock of him learning about his diagnosis, the hope to see Vanessa again after he mutates, his rage towards Francis when he realizes they're going to just torture him for their enjoyment, his anxiety when he's almost close enough to call out to her, etc. And that's all in the first movie. In the 2nd, you see him get protective and tender over an abused child, his inconsolable grief over Vanessa's death and struggling to reach her every time he dies.
Ryan doesn't do much of this deeper stuff in his other movies, and so his performances there do feel superficial. But as Deadpool, he uses his superpowers, moral flexibility (and the R-rating) to laugh at his pain as a means of masking and diminshing its power (perhaps at the expense of facing his pain and growing from it).
I mean, he did a pretty good Pikachu lol
I am really glad that this wasn't just about Deadpool to matter but giving importance to others of Wesley Snipes, Channing Tatum, Dafne Keen, and Jennifer Garner for their roles to shine in this film.
I clicked on this almost as quickly as I clicked on the "vs Uncle Iroh" video (still my favourite of all the CT videos I've seen).
Deadpool is quite a fascinating character.
Another great character! Thanks for watching!
Did I scroll back through the ad to see the pupper and only the pupper. HELL YES I DID and I'd do it again.
This really captures a lot of what Ryan brought to the character of Deadpool. Especially that conversation with Happy. Yes, Wade/Deadpool is crass, crude, raunchy, and irreverent... but it isn't because he doesn't care. He cares A LOT, but you really just get the feeling that... on the one hand, he's got some funky wiring in his head, and on the other... I don't know. I feel like he has been beaten down so much by life that he's learned to bury how much he cares because it gives the bastards of the world less to hurt him with. But it is still there, and when the chips are down, he will, like Cap (who he respects so much), jump onto the grenade in order to protect them. Going into Deadpool and Wolverine... I was expecting it to be awesome. Heck, even knowing how emotionally impactful the previous movies were... I wasn't expecting it to hit me as hard as it did. Some of it was, yes, Wade's story... but also, there's Wolverine and... the almost tender goodbye that it was to the Fox Marvel universe. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm glad that I got to see it in a nice theater. And I am very grateful for the epic, choral rendition of Like A Prayer that we got from it.
Wolverine, going on that tangent, literally punch his points is my favorite part of the movie.
One quote that I learned from a video game movie was "You don't have to do big things to be a hero, just the right ones." I think this sums up Deadpool for the most part. In the third movie he wants to do big things in order to make himself worthy of being a hero. But what he finds out later is that you don't have to be part of something big to be a hero. You just have to do the right things, for the right reasons.
Attempt #(28) of asking for Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron!! Was my absolute childhood movie growing up and the filmmaking is so beautiful with amazing scores and concepts of loss and staying true to once nature even in the face of adversity!
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Being Danish, I loved the joke Deadpool says about the Danes alternate between one week of work and one week of downtime and the subtitles made it even funnier! 🇩🇰😂Absolutely love the Deadpool and Wolverine characters and films! 😍🙌
I know only Part 1 is out right now but PLEASE do psychology of a hero/villain for Galinda and Elphaba from Wicked!!
Their characters are extremely complex and heavily plays on niceness vs kindness.
That scene with Wolverine is also brilliant and heartbreaking because he talks about how dumb Wade acts but he doesn’t know that Wade uses his humor to cope with his trauma and insecurities
Jonathan, you look like how I imagined Elijah Wood would have looked at your age.
Also you're one of my favorite channels and I feel like I almost always well up with tears and realize something new about myself every time I watch them.
I did not grow up watching the X-Men or any solo Wolverine movies (I didn't really get into superhero movies until Far From Home). So this movie was my first real experience with Wolverine and Huge Jackmen did such a fantastic job that I'm now convinced to go watch all the those movies.
At last! my favorite youtube channel doing a psychological review of my favorite Marvel Character! Hype level 9000.
Been waiting a long time for a deadpool episode from you all great job maybe do one on his mental health and his trauma
I’ve just started watching you guys and have got my husband into it as well - we’re obsessed! I’ve been binge watching your videos and they are just soooo good! Fascinating analysis, we absolutely love it!! Keep doing what you’re doing!
Fun, aren’t they? The earlier ones have popcorn in them…
That “Take on Me” scene makes me cry EVERY TIME. So good.
"Sometimes the people we save, save us right back" - 100% my sentiment towards my service animals.
Hi @cinema therapy! Been subscribed to your channel for 2 years now, love the work that you do and I cannot be more thankful for being the internet dads. I have a suggestion for an episode: The Willoughbys
Thank you for acknowledging the subtle vfx artistry in the film, by an artist, using a computer.
Not only do these videos teach me so much about myself and how to cope but man y’all rlly show how good movies are as well. Everytime I watch a video I find myself thinking I never really understood movies or how they were made and the purpose and message they try to put across until cinema therapy! ❤😂
I was surprised Jono & Alan didn’t show the scene just before Deadpool and Wolverine go into the chamber to stop the Time Ripper below Cassandra, it was such a raw, genuine moment between the characters and the actors (it’s been out long enough and it’s streaming Disney+ now, or spoiler warnings could’ve been added) because Wolverine justifies that it has to be him because Wade “has people,” but Wade sacrificing himself and locking Logan out shows that he (Logan) has someone (Wade)… And I love the director Shawn Levy has said that it’s the moment they stop being Deadpool & Wolverine and they’re Ryan & Hugh. I can hold it together and not let the tears flow in that moment, but I WITHOUT FAIL cry the moment Wolverine appears taking his hand in the chamber. ❤️💛
I would love it if you guys did an episode on Logan. I'm going through pretty tough things I won't spill my guts about now, but watching Logan trying his hardest and still getting absolutely thrashed in the movie felt pretty relatable, so I'd love to hear a therapist and filmmaker's take on that
This is where the fun begins!! 🙏🏽💪