Where To Put Swarm Traps - Swarm Trapping #3
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- This video covers in detail where to place swarm traps to be most effective in catching, as well as effective in time management. Please share with bee groups, or anyone who is interested in getting started beekeeping!
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Loved the comment "I don't like ladders" as you sit there recording the video at the top of a tall ladder (tree stand). Great video and as always very well organized, packed with information and very little rambling.
It's ironic I know...I don't like ladders I have to carry. Tree stand ladder I don't mind as all I have to carry is the tow strap.
Really love these in depth video series!!!!! Thanks so much for all the help!! This is my first year trying to catch swarms. With all them fields in TN, your gonna be hearing a lot of gobbling these next 2 months while checking traps!! 😎
It's a good place for turkeys, that's for sure! Now if I just figure out how to catch a few 16" smallmouth, a longbeard, and a swarm in the same day......that would be a good day!
Haha!!!! You got that right!!!! You know what they say,
“Even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while”!! 👍
Nathan, don't tell Kaymon Reynolds, but you're absolutely my new favorite bee keeper to watch. Your videos are such a great help to me as a second year student of the beekeeping game. I can't wait to follow the rest of your year, and yea... i do still love Kaymon too! ;)
Wow, thanks! I’m having fun with the videos so far. It’s crazy how my little world has expanded through this. It is SO COOL to talk to beekeepers all over the world.
@@DuckRiverHoney Yea, the tool of social media can certainly be used for good and helpful purposes. Personally i find i learn much more by watching a series of your videos ,for example, than by reading an entire book on the subject at hand. We definitely have a measured advantage in sharing that style of information over those that came before us.
Great videos, thanks for all of the valuable information. It's gonna come in handy when I try setting some of my own traps for the first time.
Thanks!
Excellent video Nathan! Very informative! Enjoyed the whole swarm trapping series and learned a lot. Thank you. I have 7 traps out about 130 miles NE of you and hoping for the best. God bless you!
Thanks Johnny!
Another great video. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience and explain it so well. I learn several new things from you with each video.
Thanks, I really appreciate it!
You are my new favorite beekeeper video to watch! You make me wish I was ready to start beekeeping.
A journey of 1,000 miles starts with a single step. Start walking. :)
This is a great series to help the new beekeepers. Well, to help all of us really. I fully agree with your strategy of catching swarms. One thing that I do different is that I burn the inside of my swarm traps with a propane torch to give more of that "earthy" smell much like a hollow tree that has been hit by lightning or something. I learned that from another YT channel, which he learned it from another old time beekeeper. It made sense to me, so I tried it....and it worked like a charm. The other thing that I did was to melt wax and completely coat the inside walls of every swarm trap to seal it up better. I put out 12 swarm traps last year and caught 11 swarms in those swarm traps. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just telling you what worked for me here in southern Indiana. Thanks again for taking the time to film, edit and share your adventures with us all. :-)
I appreciate the comment, and the tip! I like to learn, and learning requires an open mind. If you already know everything, then you'll never learn anything new. I've heard a few people say scorching the insides of the traps works well. I haven't tried it yet, and had good success last year. We'll see how this year goes....2020 may have been an exceptional year, and 21 could be worse.
Great video Nathan! Lots of good advice. Appreciate it. That's some beautiful property you have out there.
Thanks David! I've lived a lot of different places but haven't found anywhere better than home.
Location is key. Thanks for the video!
I appreciate it!
This was super helpful video.. I watched it multiple times and get more out of it each time I have watched it. It relates to me and my style. I like the ethical aspect.
I appreciate you taking the time to drop me a note.
Hey Nath, we’re starting to shut down here as we’re moving into autumn. So time to get busy making swarm traps.
Actually where we live there are really only two seasons, wet and dry. Wet is tropical and humid while dry is cooler and very little rain. This is the perfect time to visit by the way.
The way your seasons are the opposite in Tennessee to ours here is very convenient. I can watch, plan, build and finally execute when swarming season arrives.having that prep time is important.
Anyways, thanks again mate. Top job as usual, leaving me with a feeling of jealously as you and your family get stuck into trapping. Good luck brother. Looking forward to seeing your hard earned effort pay dividends.
I think you made a very important point on accessibility, private and public land. We as bee keepers want to spread the good word into the importance of bees, and bee keeping, in particular swarm trapping provides that conduit into the community where we can engage and perhaps inspire a new generation of bee keepers.
I went to Thailand back in 2002 while I was in college on an agricultural exchange trip. The climate was much like that- wet and hot, or dry and less hot.
Funny you mention swarm trapping as a way to get others into beekeeping. I'm going to get a couple extra traps up at a blokes house this weekend, not for me mostly, but to try and catch a couple swarms to get him started. He's green as a gourd, but enthusiastic.
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Another awesome video. Love they way you explain things. Wish I could some how send you pictures of my traps I'm in Va so not too far away I went to college in Tennessee 😃
nathan@duckriverhoney.com is my email. Where did you go to school? I went to UTK.
@@DuckRiverHoney Nashville auto diesel college. When I go back to check traps I will take pics and send them
Great video. Thanks for the insight and showing the sites you’ve selected. Best of luck this year.
I appreciate it! Luck to you as well!
Another exceptional video. Swarm trapping is so important to integrating locally tested phenotypic expressions into your apiaries. Local bees may be able to survive varroa better, use winter stores judiciously, survive seasonal dearth, good housekeeping, and other sought after traits. You did find a varroa bomb last year with a swarm so disease is always a concern but something that observation and good record keeping will sort out. Thanks!
Thanks Eric! The mite bomb hive I had last year is actually a package of Italians. All the swarms I caught are as you said....lower varroa counts, heavy going into winter, heavy coming out of winter, heavy through the dearth. The packages needed more mite help, and lots more feed. Although I do have two hives from russian hybrid package stock and the queens in those mated locally, so those hives are performing a bit better than the Italian hive, but not like the swarms.
Great video. I put up my traps this past weekend here in nc. Awesome tips
Good luck, and thanks!
thanks for the great information I really enjoy your enthusiasm keep up the good work
I appreciate it!
Great content, never thought about the catching other peoples bees. God bless
Thanks, I appreciate it, hope it helps!
Great set of videos thank you soooo much.
Thanks!
Your video editing is on point!!!
Thanks
Thank you I am about to start bee keeping
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Already have some swarm traps out and waiting for them .got some high some low and in-between. Hope you have great luck catching swarms.
Thanks, you too!
I have really enjoyed your series on swarm traps. I have my first hive this year and live in small town on the edge of the town. I was interested in building a swarm trap over the winter this year to be ready by spring. I must admit that my swarm prevention technique is not proficient. The 1600 acre farm at the back of my property just sold the land to make way for mega housing. I really want to be a good neighbor and not create a mess for builders of new homes. I have an acre with park-like trees and want to put up 2 of these swarm traps in my yard. I love that folding stand featured in this video and I like the strap method as to not harm my large trees. I know you quickly went over how to make one in the 1st video in this series, but I was wondering if you have a video on how the stand is constructed so I can begin the work on that one too. TIA
I shot a video of me making the stands, but I never put out plans for them because I just based my dimensions on the size of the trap and the size of the scrap wood I had available. They’re very simple to make.
Great stuff! I caught one swarm last year but it was late in the year? I'm in Michigan,.I'm subscribed and looking forward to this year's series...(got to ask, since your from Tennessee...do you know who Jimmy Blackman is? ) he has used some of the same music in his archery videos. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
No I don’t believe I know him. I know archery though, worked at a pro shop years ago, and shoot trad and compound. Thanks!
Great video! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Good video
Thanks!
The instructions that come with my "SwarmCatch Lures with Nasanov" recommend placing bait hives at least 750 feet away from your apiary if you want to get swarms from your apiary to move into the bait hive because the bees naturally select nest sites some distance away from the parent hive according to the instructions. You placed a bait hive in your apiary. Are you counting on the bees not reading the instructions?
Hi! Beekeeping in Alabama close to the coast
We’ve been to Gulf Shores / Orange Beach area a lot. Different beekeeping down there.
@@DuckRiverHoney You need to drop inon me next time!
EASY TO SETUP TRAPS. start sitting up the 2 box 5frame trap boxes (5frames comb and foundation top box, empty bottom box tied together with pipe hanger pcs and treks screws on 45-degree angle for easy separate boxes. Bottom box, put board at inside for a bottom. Put figure 8 holes in the long side bottom box for entrance. This box can be reused again, put top box on a bottom board new start hive. Take propolis scraping in jar rubbing alcohol shake up a lot. Take 1" paint brush paint all corners in sides and bottom the bee scouts love it. Once a week put a small puff swarm commando at entrance. If using medium frames use 3, 5 frame medium boxes. Top 2 Can be put in 10 frame box and trap reset back up. BEES like to Move up in a hive. !!!!EASY TO SETUP TRAPS.
Thanks for the info ☺️
You bet, cheers!
I had one beehive in Ohio when I lived there the bees that inhabited the hive were a captured swarm. I loved them. They were very healthy. I had to move to Florida, so I needed to sell my bees in Ohio. I really want to do this again. I have an artesian well, which is on what I would think would be a good flight path. There is an apiary down the road for me who is always losing its bees I don’t know that they’re very good at warm management. I have one question though, besides hanging the swarm trap I only have one near my artesian, well which I have seen be drinking out of, would it be a good idea to put an empty box with drawing comb? In my orchard I am constantly seeing bees working the flowers in the orchard and flying around my farm. Can you catch a swarm of bees with an empty set up hive? is there any reason you would not do this?
Interesting caught 8 swarms last year , Peter Australia.
Thanks Peter! What part of Australia?
Hello I have just watched all three of your swarm trap videos they were very good information. In the first one you were showing sizes an shapes an more . My question is on one of them you were telling about you had added I think you said you added a 1”x 4” to the bottom of the hive so you could have space in the bottom to me it looks like you could just get a few deep boxes just to use for traps and put medium frames in them Because all your equipment is medium that way you could just pull frames an put in your box an less time adding that 1”x4” an there is not a lot of difference in price an would cut down on time an would not use up a medium that could be used in your equipment or check around for someone who had some junk on worn cheap deeps . 🤷♂️🤷♂️. Just a thought. Thanks
If you’ve got old deeps you can certainly do that. New deeps are running $15-$22 unassembled. A 1x4” spacer is a lot cheaper. I don’t count the medium cost because I need those anyway for honey supers.
Will you be doing swarm trapping videos in 2024? What was the most successful lure you use?
I’m on my second spring in the bee keeper world and I’ve got a question for you. I just rotated my brood boxes on one of my hives today and the question is, is there ever a time when you can harvest honey from the brood boxes? I’m still green at this bee keeping.
Possibly, but I consider the broodchamber to be the bees’ property. Honey above the broodchamber is their rent payment to me.
Okay. Thanks again. I’m not sure if this bee keeping is for me. But I’m gonna keep at it. My local bee club has canceled meetings over the past several months due to Covid. The main guy has helped me some via text message. Maybe pretty soon things will return to some kind of normal and he can stop by occasionally and help me along the way. Thanks for your help.
Beekeeping is FASCINATING!!! And very rewarding. It doesn’t have to be hard....Queen, Mite Treatment, Food. That’s all you really need for success. Two hives is better than one in case you have a queen issue (you will sooner or later). Feel free to email me with questions. Nathan@duckriverhoney.com. Funny, I was thinking tonight that I need to make a basic video on Beekeeping, how to keep a hive alive and make a little honey, vs the more advanced stuff I’m trying to do.
Thanks for the insight, great video. Why don’t you like to overlap your coverage? You just worried about waste of coverage?
Logistics is the big thing. More traps checked with fewer stops. It gets to be a lot windshield time if you have a bunch out.
Hunting Bear is less dangerous my friend !
Thanks!
What about putting frames of honey in the swarm trap, unless I missed it pros / cons? Thanks great job doing your videos.
Thanks Tony. You don’t want any food in the trap or they’ll rob it out.
The colony that swarms already have a full stomach of honey so to speak. They are prepared as far as honey store. Besides, you check on your traps, and once the swarm moves in, give them a few days then put them in your hives/their new home.
can I use an old super that had wax worms? If I burn the box will that kill anything in the wood?
Yes you could. If AFB was in that box I’d take no chances.
Do you ever have trouble with roaches making a home in the swarm trap? When i check my traps, i take a torch and burn all of the roaches in side. Do the bees ignore a trap with roaches?
I think if the bees want to move in they will move the roaches out.
So I have set my very first swarm trap I/A/W your guide lines. Only issue I have you keep saying "Facing South" I was told to ensure the opening faces the morning sun "East". Being a new bee keeper I was wondering to I need to adjust my trap opening to the South?
From Bait Hives For Honey Bees - "ENTRANCE DIRECTION: Facing South preferred, but other directions acceptable." South collects more sun in winter, so snow or ice would melt off faster, the bees could warm up, and potentially go on cleansing flights earlier. I would think East would also be fine. North would probably be the worst. The point of all this is to provide the BEST nest site the bees have available. You're fighting against every tree hollow and any vacant feral nests out there.
Hi do you have any plans or sketches for the bait have platforms please
I did a video on making the platforms, but no plans. I mostly eyeballed it and used materials I had.
Thanks for the great video! How did it work out with the Mann Lake swarm lure vs. Swarm Commander experiment? I would like to find a way to release the lure gradually during the season vs. having to visit every couple weeks to refresh, as you indicated. There are slow release vials out there and I was thinking of using them with Swarm Commander this year.
I’m not going to use swarm lure inside the trap this year, unless it’s a spray of swarm commander that will dissipate. I’ll also use at least one or two drawn frames in the box. I had several swarms cluster on the outside of the box this year and refuse to go in…scent being too powerful could play a part in that.
@@DuckRiverHoney great insight, thanks!
Thanks James
I’m not going to use swarm lure inside the trap this year, unless it’s a spray of swarm commander that will dissipate. I’ll also use at least one or two drawn frames in the box. I had several swarms cluster on the outside of the box this year and refuse to go in…scent being too powerful could play a part in that.
Scent too strong inside the box plus no drawn comb is what I suspect is the cause of the refusals.
My first year. I'm hoping. Have five traps out
Good Luck! I think it’ll be at least 2-3 more weeks here, maybe a bit longer.
I wonder if there is any correlation at all with swarms and Drone congregation areas. By the way what breed of queens have you?
Interesting question! I haven’t seen much research at all on DCOs. Seems they would be hard to study. I have an Italian, a couple Russian hybrid that are locally mated, and the rest local feral swarms.
@@DuckRiverHoney Dr Jamie Ellis has done some really interesting global research on drone congregation areas. And Kim Flottum has a fascinating lecture, "all about drones".
Looking forward to your swarm trap results.
Thanks, I’ll try to add those to my reading list!
For newbies so do you think buying a nuc is best?
Best is subjective. A local nuc is the easiest. But I think you learn more from a swarm or package.
Check out finger hooks for 2" straps on eBay. I'm going to put a 1" strap through the hole on finger hook then hang my trap on the hook.
Sounds like it'll work!
@@DuckRiverHoney Great video. Lots of great information.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
Очень рано ставить ловушки в это время !Надо ставить в май 5 /10 ч самый подходящии момент я в Чехии ставлю 10 ч и рой отличные.
Is it to late to catch a swarm in Tennessee? I m in the Chattanooga area.
No not at all. Last year I caught my first one on April 20 and last on May 23. I’ve got a swarm hanging in a tree in my apiary right now.
@@DuckRiverHoney How long does it normally take to catch one?
I don’t think there is a “normal” on catching swarms. Early April to mid May is prime time. I refresh a spray of swarm commander on entrance every few days to a week, especially after rain.
Do kids not ride school buses anymore?? All I see is cars at schools delivering kids now..
I'm more worried about how to find places you won't get noticed, where you can hide them?
I don't know 10 farmers that I can get permission to put these on their land for. Isn't there a way to put them down on just abandoned land somewhere, where nobody goes?
I have actually put out ads to try to find people to get permission for this, and nobody responds. Ever. I tried last year and this year more than a month at a time. Still no response. Even if I say hey I'll give you a jar of honey, or pay you they still don't respond. I don't understand why people wouldn't respond to this.
Its pretty frustrating.
Go knock on doors. Directly talking to someone beats sending a letter. Dress nice, speak nice, and tell them how you’re helping to save the bees.
That's a good idea. And thank you for the response.
No worries, good luck.
If you are needing comb what ever you do do not buy the better comb. It was the biggest waste of money in my beekeeping experience.
I'll be building my own, or my bees will. It's one of the reasons I'm trapping swarms....they are comb building factories.
@@DuckRiverHoney I got in a jam last year. The bees packed the hive with nectar before April. Every hive was honey bound and swarming. They did this before the temperature reached 65 degrees. So I bought it to give them room to try and stop them from swarming. One of them swarmed to death. I had to give that hive open brood for a month to get them to create a queen that would stay.
Yikes! No fun.