The controllable camera takes away so much of the vibe that the original was going for. The static camera angles really drove home the impression that you were playing a horror movie.
@@levidavis1093 I haven’t picked the game up yet because I’m not paying full price for the game a second time but all the reviews I’ve watched don’t mention a toggle. If that is actually the case though then that does alleviate one of my major issues. The other one is the way they changed the music. Not just changing the tracks, but music playing where it didn’t in the original and vise versa can mess with the tone.
@@Jmerithew87 for what I've heard the remake was basically made for legal reasons to sony keep owning the ip. Probably they had a contract with supermassive that said that if they didn't do nothing with the franchise in x years it would go back to supermassive. This is just me supposing tho
It's sad to see how they overpowered all the artwork, those blue tones really were beautiful in the original game, there was the feeling of being in a really dark place at dawn. Now it looks like a sunday afternoon in the park with that horrible sepia tone. And on top of all that the game is running badly.
@@Zinkolo Yeah, if it's only the first chapter, it actually makes more sense than the original, where it was like "goddamn guys maybe you should've left like 5 hours earlier."
@@Zinkolo Yeah people who say this haven't bothered looking at more than Twitter posts. However they should've changed the time the game starts at probably, and added some kind of small time jump. Because currently it starts at a like 8PM sunset lmao.
why do they even make pre rendered cutscenes anymore? the engine is more than capable of running it in real time, and in better quality. save the download bandwidth.
Why is no one discussing the unnecessary switch from decima, a highly acclaimed, still supported and updated Sony engine, to UE5, an engine that is too demanding and unoptimised for this console generation? What is the reason for this?
UE5, is from Epic Games, a company, last I checked, is 31% owned by Tencent. So my tinfoil hat theory is that these devs are getting crazy "kickbacks" from Tencent to utilize this engine, by all means possible. It's easy to implement the work to temporary, little experience interns, however you need actual programmers to actually optimize the damn thing.
DF has already explained that in multiple episodes of DF Direct. There are multiple reasons, with one of them simply being that it is relatively easy to find staff who's already experienced with UE, whereas to learn how to work properly with a custom engine can take up a lot of time. So even if a studio's main team keeps working with the in-house engine, it can make sense to use UE for projects done by less experienced teams or the help of other studios.
@@NeovanGoth It's funny because that "experienced" staff that DF (and you) talk about, seems to continually release all their games visually BROKEN. For me, those "experienced" developers are paycheck stealers. Is there not anyone of those that can notice how all the games built with UE5 runs?
Maybe slightly offtopic but regarding your UE5 comment: I'm playing GoW Ragnarok on PC right now (which of course isnt UE5) and its so buttery smooth. NO traversal stutter NO shader comp stutter AT ALL. I completely forgot that this is even possible nowadays
It's crazy too. Forbidden West achieved so much with the engine, but I guess it didn't make enough waves in the community to spark interest and faith in its capabilities.
Different studio, different staff. It’s a bit unreasonable to expect any studio to train staff (or hire new staff) to be able to work with a relatively niche engine just for a port of an older game that isn’t likely to make any significant sales numbers.
I don't understand why they've switched to Stutter Engine having the game already running on Decima? Wouldn't it have more sense to update Decima to the latest iteration? Now we have this mess of a Remake.
@@GameTechLead it's a lot easier/cost effective to hire people temporarily to work with a general purpose engine, even if it's bloated to hell and back, than a more specialized engine
Right? Such a weird decision. Horizon Forbidden West looks phenomenal, and judging by all the trailers and footage, Death Stranding 2 looks terrific as well. Clearly UE5 is proving to be an unruly beast that the studio can't seem to tame. For every patch they release, a few more issues get introduced. I can't even begin to describe the incompetence. This game - like many other UE5 titles - needed more time in the oven.
I'm guessing there are/were plans to have Ballistic Moon make a sequel, and that BM wants to use UE5 for that sequel. Then this remake would more or less serve as an onboarding project for the team and perhaps a proof-of-concept of sorts for Sony to know the team can be trusted with the sequel That's the only explanation that really makes sense to me, at least
@@someusername1872 apparently not easy enough for the temporary work, as this game is full of technical problems, I could be wrong but I don't think their specialised engine had so many problems.
I get why they made it. A movie is on the way and you can release it on the PC market. If they just made it for PC the PS5 owners would be upset they didn't get it.
@@WllKiedSnakeThe movie is even more pointless than the remake! The game works because it subverts the usual horror movie format by letting you choose who lives and who dies… and this is made possible by the interactive nature of video games. A movie based on the game is a step backwards, and will just be another B-movie horror.
2015 PS4 version on PS5 runs at 60fps. They couldn’t “remake” this game at 60fps 9 years later?! Unacceptable and comes off as lazy. I’m glad it has sold less than Concord.
They could, they're forced by Sony to use Ray Tracing which is what's limiting them, not to mention they likely got maybe 2 1/2 years of ACTUAL programming time to rebuild a game on a shitty engine like UE5.
@@blindfire3167 true, you’re right. Ray tracing is awesome in games, I appreciate it when it’s available. But even Mark Cerny said 75% of gamers are choosing framerate over fidelity. I’m sure they could’ve spent more time and had an option for Fidelity RT and a Performance Mode.
@@blindfire3167 Ray Tracing is not "limiting", it is literally the opposite, and gives devs much less work placing lights around scenes. You completely made up everything you said.
Now I’ll be the first to say fixed camera angles aren’t a be all, end all like in Silent Hill 2 or Resi for example but Until Dawn has no survival elements whatsoever so I’m not sure what the full camera control was meant to offer in this respect.
You have absolutely no idea what goes on with game development. I get the frustration, it sucks ass having games released how they are, but stop blaming the devs, 90% of the time they have 0 control over the bad changes, they're just people trying to keep their jobs while their higher ups scream at them for not doing 3 people's worth of work in 1/3rd the time to "Save the company money" (IE so managers, leads, and execs can pocket the budget) and having the players scream at them for it not working when they're inevitably unable to complete it in a stupidly short amount of time. Signed, Dev who got $0 for working Crunch time for 4 months to complete a game only for it to be shat on by half the people just to have the dream of one day making a difference in this shit hole of an industry. PS, you're not incorrect about customers being QC, but more often than not WE DONT GET QA PHASE, by the time we've completed all the systems, there's but a week to a month left (in my coworker's experience(s) working at nearly every AAA company in existence ), and generally when there IS actually time for it, they outsource it to India/Philippines so we get this random gigantic list of 1200 minor bugs with 50 major issues thrown in because they don't know what quantifies as a "major issue", just making pennies per bug they find in hopes that they can feed their families.
did need a pc port though, and it makes perfect sense to remake it for that now that it's been 71 years (and while they're at it, why not release it on the ps5 cause how else is sony gonna pretend it has any games)
@@binjoofficial Yeah, but by releasing 2015 on PC they wouldnt have a good excuse to charge a full AAA price. With this remaster, there is an excuse. Same reason why they skipped Uncharted 1-3, and went straight for the 4th lmao.
A simple remaster with a higher resolution and better aliased shadows would have sufficed. Not having an option to have the fixed camera angles on is absurd too.
@@jorge69696 It's more likely it's not calculating any rays. Instead it's time spent keeping up an acceleration structure to trace rays against whenever a pixel with appropriate values pops up.
@@Robospy1 doesn't matter, it should still be 60. Only excuse for 30 FPS or lower I'll tolerate is if the game is going for a special stop motion or comic art style.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat It's fine if you don't like it. You're free to have that opinion. I just think that 30 FPS doesn't make a big difference for this type of game specifically. That's just my opinion, I can understand wanting 60 FPS anyways. (You could even argue that 30 FPS is more accurate for this type of game because movies are only 24 FPS, And this game is definitely going for a campy horror movie aesthetic.)
@@Robospy1I agree. Uncharted 4 on PS4 was 30fps and I love that game. 30fps works perfectly fine. The bigger issue is the game spazzing out on PS5. I will still wait for more patches before I even consider getting it.
@@Wasdniakthey changed the time the characters arrival,I don’t know why though as the only thing it really does is kinda explain why the wendigo didn’t attack them on arrival but making the first chapter take place earlier adds nothing,they could have used it as a chance to implement new segments for character or interactions but didn’t
@@tysopiccaso8711 The opening of the original game had a small transcript for Sam's section that says [Sam; Path to Cable Car Station; 21:02] 21:02 is not a bible verse, it's 9:02pm in 24hr format. Chapter 1. Memento Mori, 10 Hours Until Dawn. Dawn in December of Canada is around 7:30am, and 10 hours before that is 9pm the previous day.
I replayed the classic Until Dawn before the remake and collected everything to have a direct comparison with the remake. I played both on the PS5. So, about the remake: * No controller speaker support! This was in the original. Completely incomprehensible why this is missing! * The PS buttons X, Circle, Triangle, and Square are all white! In the original, they were colored according to the controller. It was easier to read and much nicer visually - aesthetics matter too! * The title music is worlds worse than the original, especially the main theme. * The first driving scene in the intro stutters badly, and there are occasional stutters later on (not in the original!). * The font used to display which character plays where and when is much plainer (worse) than in the original. * Chapter 1 has an orange color scheme during sunset instead of blue. It doesn’t really fit. But later on, everything is back to blue anyway. * Jessica’s face is noticeably chubbier. * The other characters look okay. Emily, Mike, and Chris look great. * Matt looks quite different. * There’s no sound anymore when the shooting cursor appears, unlike in the original, where the sound even got louder towards the end. The crosshair also looks worse. * You can’t run faster with L1 anymore! WHY??? * The new totem turning mechanic is more tedious. You have to find a specific spot instead of just turning it like in the original. A pain for speedrunners. * There’s no brightness setting anymore!!! WHY??? Apart from the overall better graphics, the game is darker since you can’t adjust the brightness. Sure, there are new starvation totems and a few small additional scenes. But that’s it. My conclusion is clear: the remake is far worse than the original. It’s completely unnecessary, you can save your money and stick with the cheaper and better original. You won’t miss anything.
"Jessica’s face is noticeably chubbier." Probably to make women (that won't play the game) feel better. Its a bit of a trend. Max in the new Life is strange looks chubbier as well. They also did it with Aloy (and changed it back a bit after complaints). Guess a bit woke infusion.
* There’s no sound anymore when the shooting cursor appears, unlike in the original, where the sound even got louder towards the end. The crosshair also looks worse. Talk about nitpicking lmfao Also there is a brightness setting when using HDR, which who wouldn't on a PS5 these days? Everything else yeah it sucks for people who've played the original, still fine for the most part for people who don't want to play at a nauseating 30 fps.
On the topic of sunset. If you have played the original game you would have known, that the game starts around 9pm. To be precise Sam arrives on site by bus at 21:02. It is winter, where in the world is the sun still up at 9pm in winter? I live in Central Europe and in winter the sun is down at 5pm, so at 9pm it is long complete dark. So this argument that in remake, the sun is still up only at the beginning of the game and later on the game is dark as was the original, does not stand. It just does not follow the basics laws of nature.
Why why why go through this much effort to remake a million assets and retexture a ton of stuff to only let the game completely buckle under the weight of bad optimization? Jesus.. Such a waste
Whoever decided changing the cinematic camera angles of the gameplay in a purely cinematic game for a shooter over the shoulder video game camera should be fired.
@Vince888 Complaining for the sake of complaining would be if the classic camera was there as an option, but it isn't. Yeah, it should be an option. But it's not.
The QA on this one feels so… non-existant. I mean, I don’t think anyone would mind if there wasn’t a vsm toggle at launch. It’s not like features can’t be rolled out progressively. Features that exist on the menu, but are entirely and unusually broken though, that just detracts in such an incisive and definitive way.
The lack of QA can probably be attributed to a tight deadline, so everything was rushed to completion right up to release date and now, after release, they are using the customers as free QA staff until the devs get bored/stop being funded and stop patching the game.
This is pretty much the state of every triple A release for the past decade, they just rush the games out and fix it later...pretty much every big release has a day one patch...and they fix some things and break others...classic.
I'd love for DF to add a segment in all reviews targeted specifically on looking at the impact of downsides of ray-tracing. There's always a lot of positive coverage on RT features...but in realtime gameplay, RT blur and "fuzz" in lighting, especially in dim scenes is a serious concern. By itself, DLSS generally resolves to a solid image at 1440p and 4K, but when you mix in RT lighting's grainy nature it can begin to seriously detract from the image. A TON of sharpness gets lost in the ray-tracing's inaccurate reconstruction from the bounce data.
Ray tracing is ALWAYS an improvement. But using it properly requires lighting artists like they hire for cgi movies... something they sometimes haven't gotten the best artists for games.
@@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish Nah, really has nothing to do with lighting artists. Unreal's raytracing (I guess all raytracing?) is customizable for per pixel count and some other settings I cannot recall. Lumen lighting gets all funky and looks like static unless you crank the values up, but even if you set the values to something shy of nearly eliminating the visual static in the lighting and shadows, it's a massive hit to performance not reasonable to run on modern hardware. All the Lumen stuff for real-time rendering is just a bunch of low performance accurate but blurred shadows. It never produces clear and clean images in motion like games used to look in Unreal3 and 4.
I just find this hilarious. 4K UHD raytraced dynamic lighting in an enclosed environment, every pixel is set to black float3(0,0,0) for 30 FPS. Outdoors with visible snow fall with imitated moon lighting and dynamic flash light gets you 2x FPS. It's more complex than that, but Unreal5 is such a hog with default settings that barely affect the image but will tank performance like crazy is the modern standard.
Dunno, it runs great on my 4080 super and i7 14700kf. At 4k (dlls quality) on ultra settings I've been getting ‘round 80-100 fps (130-140 fps with FG, which btw makes the game feel so much smoother), and even with RT on at 4k (dlls balanced), my fps ain't dropped by much if at all. Still averaging 80 fps without FG (110-120 with it).
I have not played either game, but just observing from a distance I can say I prefer the cooler color tint to the first game immeasurably more than the warmer look of the remake. Not sure why you’d make a game set in a wintry landscape look so summer-y.
Making a cinematic heavy game (basically a interactive movie in this case) were the cutscenes are absolutely broken, is ridiculous. It like having a FPS game were the guns sound, animation, muzzle flash, etc are broken. This clearly was not play tested at all. I guess a have to thank game companies for stimulating my patient and low time preference, to just buy their games a year or two more down the line (if at all) at a discounted price after they fixed the issues and the product is actually ready.
This is the whole reason for the big push for Ray Tracing it makes lighting things way easier for the game developers no more weeks and months of having to fake lighting and reflections, with the downside of that unique lighting style games had because they were faking the lighting and could never get it right is gone, and now everything will look the same and accurate like real life why all these modern games look and feel the same now.
@@DanKaschel That's...not at all what he said? He's saying older games HAD to focus on rasterized lighting to make it look good, generally giving an artist's touch to each scene that was lit. Now, you have actual ray based lighting which you put a light source on the map, and the engine/GPU and CPU calculate the rest. Every game looks the same lighting wise because we now have realistic lighting and no time to actually implement rasterization properly anymore.
@@blindfire3167 he said that all with RT everything has the same look and feel, and that's why games look and feel the same now. Which, if you've ever seen, you know, a photograph, is completely false.
I'd just play the original. Having a clean image that runs at 60fps is great. I think games should be built today to run at 60fps and 30fps up to 4K on current gen consoles with the ability to run up to 120fps on later hardware. Afterall, its now normal for games to run on future hardware, especially with the move to digital games.
I'm with you on the art direction and cinematography, but the original Until Dawn usually ran below the 30fps line when it released back on PS4. It's now a perfect 60 if played on PS5 so that's great!
What a strange decision to make the color tone warm. Something about the original with the blue makes it believe it's the moonlight, giving it a much more horror vibe. Edit: Clearly I haven’t played this remake and basing my comment off what I see in the tech videos
I am baffled at how these studios continue to remake games no one asked to be remade. What is the point of this waste of resources? Who are the fools making these decisions?
@@HKdagreat unfortunately studios aren't going to stop doing this as long as people keep buying them. Most people can't be bothered to do a couple minutes of internet searching to figure out how to emulate an old game. Many would rather just fork over the money for a remake/remaster and these are exactly the people game studios are targeting.
@@someusername1872I mean... most people aren't savvy with tech lol. why do you think consoles are so popular, if people wanted a better experience they'd be on PC but for that you'd have to be into tweaking.
It’s to risky to make a new idea these days with how high budgets r one flop equals closing down for first party studios at PlayStation selling like 8 million copies at full price is breaking Evan and 10 million is pretty much just there budget for the next game and they get to try again in 5 years
@@dr_diddy We all have a boundless amount of information readily available at our fingertips. This isn't about most people not being tech savvy, it's about most people being lazy
No performance mode for ps5 and the warm colours make this a no for me. Still, I was playing the original last night and it looks great to me. This was a waste of a remake effort. The fixed camera is better as well as it creates a more cinematic feel. Which suits the style of game better.
didn't play this game when released, have no intention of playing it ever, but damn does the original look better than the remake in way of art style(blue filter). Some of the comments are saying they also completely changed the music, it looks like it feels so different from the original that calling it a remake is a mistake, call it a remix. Honestly, how much did this game sell back in the day? is it even worth making again? like who asked for this? how many millions of dollars did this cost? If this generation is just going to be remaking games, could they at least be from 2 generations ago?
@@siegfriedo agree, nonetheless tho i still found the remake very fun, but yeah it had some issues tho, thanfully tho since im on pc i could obv just crack the game so yeah. I love until dawn to death to the point that i even reached platinum on the ps4, but idk if its really full price worthy, especially at this price. I'll probably buy a legitimate version when it gets on sale on steam.
Insane how much better the original looks in all the side-by-sides - the remake has better resolution but the original just looks way more artfully made.
The one thing you cannot deny is that the audio is a million times better. It sounded like all the voice acting was recorded in a tin can in the first one. Now it’s fixed
They used the same fbx models and the same bvh animation files, incl cameras not to mention game logic all that's improved is texture quality and render, lighting etc owing to UE5. Should've been called a remaster and priced much lower
It’s crazy. There are shots in the remake where the lighting is SO much better both in realism and tone, then the next shot is some of the worst lighting that completely kills the tone.
@@InnerFury1886 I disagree. The only reason the engine is used is cause at the front end it's easy to just asset flip stuff into, however you need actual experienced programmers to optimize it. These devs cut the most corners and just hire temps to work on games now, and refuse to actually pay the experienced workers
@@ramonosukeYh it seems there's quite a few issues with the engine based on the amount of games with identical issues. memory, stuttering and nanite hasn't exactly been a massive saviour since rendering is broken from a distance
For everyone who might want to know what the heck VSMs are, here's a not so short summary which will help you understand what the heck are you seeing. VSM stands for "virtual shadow map", they are an extension of "virtual textures", more specifically "runtime virtual textures". Virtual textures is a technique where instead of loading the whole texture when you need it, you divide it into smaller portions, you try to figure out which of those portions are visible in the models in your frame, and you load only those portions. What the "runtime" variant of the virtual texture means is that instead of loading the portions of the texture from disk you actually generate those portions at "runtime". You might ask yourself, "when would that apply? why would I want to generate texture in runtime?". This is useful when you have some expensive shader calculation that is dynamic but at the same time mostly static, meaning, it changes during the game execution, but the results are mostly static throughout the game. For example, blending a bunch of texture together, you might need to do it at runtime because you want to change those individual textures for the blend, but maybe after you blend them you rarely change them so the result is always the same. By making these runtime textures "virtual" you only need to do it for the portions you see in a frame and not the whole texture and only when necessary. Finally, VSMs are simply runtime virtual textures but for shadows, if you assume your shadows don't change much you "bake" or "cache" the result of normal shadow computation into a virtual texture so that you only ever bake the portions that you actually changed. This way you don't need to keep calculating the shadows every frame for everything in the level, and instead you only calculate it if the shadows changes and only for those portions visible to the screen. If for whatever reason shadows do change or some dynamic element in the game makes them change, those "portions" are considered "invalid" and need to be recalculated. What you see in this footage with the "black squared shapes" glitch, are those exact "portions" (technically called "tiles") not being invalidated properly or not being recalculated properly. So the previous result of the "tile" stays for too long and there's a mismatch between the shadow and the objects around it.
These kind of videos are always curious to me on the rare occasion I indulge in them. I'm playing Until Dawn on PS5. Bought it digitally from the PS Store on launch day. Zero issues with my playthrough.
I just got it on PC and played it from start to finish. My only complaint is that i had some minor traversal stutters, and my totem screen runs at silky smooth 1 fps sometimes (i have no idea why). Otherwise the game works and looks more than fine, and idk where this "LIGHTING IS LE RUINED" complaint comes from either, as soon as chapter 1 ends you CAN'T see anything without the flashlight, that's how dark it is.
I really dont like some of the lighting changes. They are so drastic and change the mood completely and even tho the remake has higher graphical fedility some scenes look worse.
Interesting to see this performance since this is the first game that ran insanely well, 60 fps for 90% of the time, sometimes dropping to high 50s, on my by now ancient rtx 2060 on 1440p high settings.
I started playing Until Dawn PS4 version on PS5 for the first time and there's no way this remake can convince me to upgrade I'll take added performance over a visual overhaul all day.
the RT implementation is laughable in the remake, no change visually, but performance wise it takes almost 40 fps even in the menu hahaha. Come to think of it, the entire remake is useless, worthless, for 70 euro this is just absurd.
there is a subtle difference. definitely not worth the performance hit, and unlikely to be noticed in motion without a side by side comparison, but it is there.
Its DF's way. I seen a old Ps4 HZD dawn review where they complain the game would drop from 30fps to 29fps here and there for a millisecond. Something the player will never notice .
6:08 That scene looks awful in the remake. The girl floats up onto her feet and then the mobile phone flies in from off-screen in front of them instead of falling out of her pocket.
have another hit of the copium, the remake clearly looks significantly better. not defending a poor remake with all the bugs and poor performance, but its obviously a visual improvement.
OG until dawn is my fav PS4 game, and I made sooooo many runs on it and watched so many different let's plays it was crazy. I also got to play the remake on my PC and finished it twice. I still really liked it but that's mostly cause I already loved the original; this remake though, is far from perfect. There were a couple of visual glitches and one softlock mechanic which annoyed me a bit, but other than that there are 2 major flaws for me personally: 1)The new OST cannot be put on the same level as the original one, it's not even close. Should've had an option to choose whichever one to use. 2)I much prefer the fixed camera angles in this title, I felt like it was part of the game's art, it was used sooo well and its usage was always smart
If Ballistic Moon seeks to improve and redeem this title, they either patch in a classic mode in the next update or they port over the original title to pc.
@@questcore636 Eh... It made some weird small decisions here and there. I remember one of the earlier levels when you have to stealth your way through a harbor. In the original game all boats were full of holes and were laying on the bottom of the river. In the remake they are all in great condition floating on the water.
At about 9:15 in the video, the foliage to the bottom right hand of the scene has a stark white outline for no logical reason. These sorts of outlines can be spotted in many scenes and even in other UE5 titles like Black Myth Wukong or Silent Hill 2 Remake. What is this? To me it absolutely wrecks image quality. I Play/watch on an OLED with HDR, does that exasperate the problem? Any info on it would be appreciated because it really bugs me.
The fixed cameras weren't a technical choice, but a creative one. I don't understand why anyone would act like that's an upgrade.
Source?
@@lxXSuddenDeathXxl I worked at Supermassive for a number of years and authored those cameras myself in scenes in The Quarry
It would make sense in a game where you had weapons, but this just kills the cinematography of the original.
@@Malford Oh interesting
Fixed camera angles are still in game
The controllable camera takes away so much of the vibe that the original was going for. The static camera angles really drove home the impression that you were playing a horror movie.
Pretty sure you can choose between 3rd person OR static camera...
@@levidavis1093 I haven’t picked the game up yet because I’m not paying full price for the game a second time but all the reviews I’ve watched don’t mention a toggle. If that is actually the case though then that does alleviate one of my major issues.
The other one is the way they changed the music. Not just changing the tracks, but music playing where it didn’t in the original and vise versa can mess with the tone.
@@Jmerithew87 for what I've heard the remake was basically made for legal reasons to sony keep owning the ip. Probably they had a contract with supermassive that said that if they didn't do nothing with the franchise in x years it would go back to supermassive. This is just me supposing tho
Just like the Evil Residents!
They did the static camera since the PS4 framerate plummeted to the 20s.
The screen tore up the characters faster than the wendigo.
Good one
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It's sad to see how they overpowered all the artwork, those blue tones really were beautiful in the original game, there was the feeling of being in a really dark place at dawn. Now it looks like a sunday afternoon in the park with that horrible sepia tone.
And on top of all that the game is running badly.
Apparently, this is only for the first chapter as it's set in sunset.
Meaning this issue is widely overblown and misconstrued.
@@Zinkolo Yeah, if it's only the first chapter, it actually makes more sense than the original, where it was like "goddamn guys maybe you should've left like 5 hours earlier."
Its just in the first chapter. After that its back to the usual blue tone. Watch a longplay of the game and look at anything after chapter 1
Never liked that blue filter in the original game. It looked so artificial.
The remake looks more like a real life 3D movie. Natural and moody.
@@Zinkolo Yeah people who say this haven't bothered looking at more than Twitter posts.
However they should've changed the time the game starts at probably, and added some kind of small time jump. Because currently it starts at a like 8PM sunset lmao.
The pre rendered intro cutscene being so broken is unreal
No, it’s unreal engine 5 😂
@@dehfunnykid i think the pun was intended
How do they even manage to fuck up a pre-rendered cutscene? Like isn't it just a video file they could record beforehand and playback?
why do they even make pre rendered cutscenes anymore? the engine is more than capable of running it in real time, and in better quality. save the download bandwidth.
Removing the song "O Death", is a crime.
Why is no one discussing the unnecessary switch from decima, a highly acclaimed, still supported and updated Sony engine, to UE5, an engine that is too demanding and unoptimised for this console generation? What is the reason for this?
UE5, is from Epic Games, a company, last I checked, is 31% owned by Tencent. So my tinfoil hat theory is that these devs are getting crazy "kickbacks" from Tencent to utilize this engine, by all means possible. It's easy to implement the work to temporary, little experience interns, however you need actual programmers to actually optimize the damn thing.
DF has already explained that in multiple episodes of DF Direct.
There are multiple reasons, with one of them simply being that it is relatively easy to find staff who's already experienced with UE, whereas to learn how to work properly with a custom engine can take up a lot of time. So even if a studio's main team keeps working with the in-house engine, it can make sense to use UE for projects done by less experienced teams or the help of other studios.
It just works - Todd
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@@ramonosukeseems like those temporary little interns didn't know unreal engine enough, going by these tech issues lol
@@NeovanGoth It's funny because that "experienced" staff that DF (and you) talk about, seems to continually release all their games visually BROKEN. For me, those "experienced" developers are paycheck stealers. Is there not anyone of those that can notice how all the games built with UE5 runs?
The fact this got downgraded from Decima Engine to Unreal Engine is so damn sad. Every UE5 game is cursed.
Maybe slightly offtopic but regarding your UE5 comment: I'm playing GoW Ragnarok on PC right now (which of course isnt UE5) and its so buttery smooth. NO traversal stutter NO shader comp stutter AT ALL. I completely forgot that this is even possible nowadays
@@sven957 The PC port for Gow Ragnarok its amazing.
@@sven957 Hell yes. I WAS STUNNED BY THE GAME JUST WORKING. I dont see it everyday
It's crazy too. Forbidden West achieved so much with the engine, but I guess it didn't make enough waves in the community to spark interest and faith in its capabilities.
Different studio, different staff. It’s a bit unreasonable to expect any studio to train staff (or hire new staff) to be able to work with a relatively niche engine just for a port of an older game that isn’t likely to make any significant sales numbers.
The new sepia color tone is so repulsive that tech issues aside I already hate this remake.
Not really sepia. Just basic Hallmark golden hour color grading.
On PC you can use reshade to change it back.
I don't get it either. Why would someone use warm colour tones for a freezing cold setting?
That's what light looks like during golden hour, not sepia toned
@@missingclerk Have you played the game past chapter 1? Warm colors really go away as soon as chapter 2 starts and the sun goes down.
that screen tearing is abysmal
a bysmal or a feature?
Almost as bad as far cry 6 at launch. Good God that shit was awful
I don't understand why they've switched to Stutter Engine having the game already running on Decima? Wouldn't it have more sense to update Decima to the latest iteration? Now we have this mess of a Remake.
@@GameTechLead it's a lot easier/cost effective to hire people temporarily to work with a general purpose engine, even if it's bloated to hell and back, than a more specialized engine
Right? Such a weird decision. Horizon Forbidden West looks phenomenal, and judging by all the trailers and footage, Death Stranding 2 looks terrific as well.
Clearly UE5 is proving to be an unruly beast that the studio can't seem to tame. For every patch they release, a few more issues get introduced. I can't even begin to describe the incompetence. This game - like many other UE5 titles - needed more time in the oven.
I'm guessing there are/were plans to have Ballistic Moon make a sequel, and that BM wants to use UE5 for that sequel. Then this remake would more or less serve as an onboarding project for the team and perhaps a proof-of-concept of sorts for Sony to know the team can be trusted with the sequel
That's the only explanation that really makes sense to me, at least
@@someusername1872 apparently not easy enough for the temporary work, as this game is full of technical problems, I could be wrong but I don't think their specialised engine had so many problems.
Supermassive aren't a Sony ex dev anymore. I thjnk
I love how the game utilizes just one CPU thread. Truly a next-gen remake.
😂. That indeed is next gen, one thread to run m all.
Blame the stupid UE code all games running UE is a mess
why even change things at all
How most games work.
@@icy1007 I cannot tell any AAA game made in the last 10 years that would utilize just one thread
I don't understand the engine change. Decima is a top graphics engine.
only thing that makes sense is that the new studio only knows UE5.. becoming more typical problem it seems
It's easier to hire people who "know" how to use UE, with no training required.
The fixed camera angles are kinda what made the game for me :(
Pretty sure you can swap to 3rd person OR fixed camera...
That and the harsh blue edge lighting.
@@levidavis1093 no, you cant, finished the game yesterday on PC
@@levidavis1093 nope
@@levidavis1093 nope, I just checked, there is no such setting. Wish there were
You can pick up the original for £10 at cex which runs at around twice the frame rate.
This is one of Sony's most pointless remakes.
I get why they made it. A movie is on the way and you can release it on the PC market. If they just made it for PC the PS5 owners would be upset they didn't get it.
@@WllKiedSnakeThe movie is even more pointless than the remake!
The game works because it subverts the usual horror movie format by letting you choose who lives and who dies… and this is made possible by the interactive nature of video games.
A movie based on the game is a step backwards, and will just be another B-movie horror.
Wish I could just play the original on PC. All I wanted was a simple port.
I don't know man I think remaking the last of us part two was useless
@@happyspaceinvader508yeah the movie is a bad idea
2015 PS4 version on PS5 runs at 60fps. They couldn’t “remake” this game at 60fps 9 years later?! Unacceptable and comes off as lazy. I’m glad it has sold less than Concord.
They could, they're forced by Sony to use Ray Tracing which is what's limiting them, not to mention they likely got maybe 2 1/2 years of ACTUAL programming time to rebuild a game on a shitty engine like UE5.
@@blindfire3167 true, you’re right. Ray tracing is awesome in games, I appreciate it when it’s available. But even Mark Cerny said 75% of gamers are choosing framerate over fidelity. I’m sure they could’ve spent more time and had an option for Fidelity RT and a Performance Mode.
Some Devs are actually learning how to do AI upscaling "properly" and that is the main reason why are there so many remakes of not that old games!
@@blindfire3167 Ray Tracing is not "limiting", it is literally the opposite, and gives devs much less work placing lights around scenes. You completely made up everything you said.
I just dislike the axing of the fixed camera angles. It gave the game so much flair, with scenes being framed specifically.
Now I’ll be the first to say fixed camera angles aren’t a be all, end all like in Silent Hill 2 or Resi for example but Until Dawn has no survival elements whatsoever so I’m not sure what the full camera control was meant to offer in this respect.
It'd have been neat if it was like a NG+ unlockable, so you can see more of the environments that you experienced the first time through as a reward.
Why bother with patching the game? Just re-remake it at this point.
Can't wait for the PS5 Pro reremake version!
Am I seeing that CPU usage chart correctly? 1 Core only being used for a UE5 game?
noticed that too, though didnt see any instance of it being cpu bottlenecked, maybe an issue at low settings.
lol yeah, need a hell a lot more than just 1 core, what is this 2006? need at least 6 cores
They should really give an option between the original static camera and the controllable one
Lord, Do these studios even test their games anymore before release? The customer is now QC... so messed up.
They do and they know. But the devs aren't given enough time to fix stuff.
You have absolutely no idea what goes on with game development. I get the frustration, it sucks ass having games released how they are, but stop blaming the devs, 90% of the time they have 0 control over the bad changes, they're just people trying to keep their jobs while their higher ups scream at them for not doing 3 people's worth of work in 1/3rd the time to "Save the company money" (IE so managers, leads, and execs can pocket the budget) and having the players scream at them for it not working when they're inevitably unable to complete it in a stupidly short amount of time.
Signed, Dev who got $0 for working Crunch time for 4 months to complete a game only for it to be shat on by half the people just to have the dream of one day making a difference in this shit hole of an industry.
PS, you're not incorrect about customers being QC, but more often than not WE DONT GET QA PHASE, by the time we've completed all the systems, there's but a week to a month left (in my coworker's experience(s) working at nearly every AAA company in existence ), and generally when there IS actually time for it, they outsource it to India/Philippines so we get this random gigantic list of 1200 minor bugs with 50 major issues thrown in because they don't know what quantifies as a "major issue", just making pennies per bug they find in hopes that they can feed their families.
The hype train 🚆 tax
This just didn't need a remake. FFS let some games get old.
Are they really games though? Or QuickTime events/prompts movies? Never played… I never see any gameplay in vids lol
did need a pc port though, and it makes perfect sense to remake it for that now that it's been 71 years (and while they're at it, why not release it on the ps5 cause how else is sony gonna pretend it has any games)
@@binjoofficial Yeah, but by releasing 2015 on PC they wouldnt have a good excuse to charge a full AAA price.
With this remaster, there is an excuse.
Same reason why they skipped Uncharted 1-3, and went straight for the 4th lmao.
@@fenixa2z936I think that what you said, plus the fact that you can walk and interact, and some decisions you can make are enough to call it a game.
A simple remaster with a higher resolution and better aliased shadows would have sufficed. Not having an option to have the fixed camera angles on is absurd too.
10:06 Enabling RT Reflections drops 150 fps to 100 fps, but image looks exactly the same.
Thats the title screen. In gameplay its 10-20 fps. Granted no argument that its not broken or a bad implementation
Gotta calculate those rays even if they don't affect the material.
@@jorge69696 If it doesn't affect the image, then its waste.
@@jorge69696 It's more likely it's not calculating any rays. Instead it's time spent keeping up an acceleration structure to trace rays against whenever a pixel with appropriate values pops up.
Every game feature this days. God of War Ragnarok have no RT bullshit and look and run like no other game
New camera still ruins the game compared to the original. Need to fix that.
It doesn't.
All of the cutscenes are directed differently and look worse for it as well
just change it in the game options to fixed
Definitely makes it harder to turn around on a controller.
@@SAUCEyou there's not a setting for that...
Lol 30fps cap on PS5 is just lame.
I feel like in this type of cutscene and story driven game it doesn't really matter that much.
@@Robospy1 doesn't matter, it should still be 60. Only excuse for 30 FPS or lower I'll tolerate is if the game is going for a special stop motion or comic art style.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat It's fine if you don't like it. You're free to have that opinion. I just think that 30 FPS doesn't make a big difference for this type of game specifically. That's just my opinion, I can understand wanting 60 FPS anyways. (You could even argue that 30 FPS is more accurate for this type of game because movies are only 24 FPS, And this game is definitely going for a campy horror movie aesthetic.)
@@Robospy1I agree. Uncharted 4 on PS4 was 30fps and I love that game. 30fps works perfectly fine. The bigger issue is the game spazzing out on PS5. I will still wait for more patches before I even consider getting it.
I mean, the PS5 is lame so what do you expect? 😮
The dusk lighting makes 0 sense. The time of arrival was 9pm in December, it gets dark at 4pm. Where tf is the sunlight coming from?
look into the game before complaining, this change is only for the first chapter
@@tysopiccaso8711 Your argument doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be that bright out at the time the characters are arriving.
@@Wasdniakthey changed the time the characters arrival,I don’t know why though as the only thing it really does is kinda explain why the wendigo didn’t attack them on arrival but making the first chapter take place earlier adds nothing,they could have used it as a chance to implement new segments for character or interactions but didn’t
@@Wasdniak its not 9pm in the opening chapter
@@tysopiccaso8711 The opening of the original game had a small transcript for Sam's section that says [Sam; Path to Cable Car Station; 21:02]
21:02 is not a bible verse, it's 9:02pm in 24hr format.
Chapter 1. Memento Mori, 10 Hours Until Dawn. Dawn in December of Canada is around 7:30am, and 10 hours before that is 9pm the previous day.
I replayed the classic Until Dawn before the remake and collected everything to have a direct comparison with the remake. I played both on the PS5. So, about the remake:
* No controller speaker support! This was in the original. Completely incomprehensible why this is missing!
* The PS buttons X, Circle, Triangle, and Square are all white! In the original, they were colored according to the controller. It was easier to read and much nicer visually - aesthetics matter too!
* The title music is worlds worse than the original, especially the main theme.
* The first driving scene in the intro stutters badly, and there are occasional stutters later on (not in the original!).
* The font used to display which character plays where and when is much plainer (worse) than in the original.
* Chapter 1 has an orange color scheme during sunset instead of blue. It doesn’t really fit. But later on, everything is back to blue anyway.
* Jessica’s face is noticeably chubbier.
* The other characters look okay. Emily, Mike, and Chris look great.
* Matt looks quite different.
* There’s no sound anymore when the shooting cursor appears, unlike in the original, where the sound even got louder towards the end. The crosshair also looks worse.
* You can’t run faster with L1 anymore! WHY???
* The new totem turning mechanic is more tedious. You have to find a specific spot instead of just turning it like in the original. A pain for speedrunners.
* There’s no brightness setting anymore!!! WHY???
Apart from the overall better graphics, the game is darker since you can’t adjust the brightness. Sure, there are new starvation totems and a few small additional scenes. But that’s it. My conclusion is clear: the remake is far worse than the original. It’s completely unnecessary, you can save your money and stick with the cheaper and better original. You won’t miss anything.
I really hate that you can't run in the remake. They walk too slow now 😅
"Jessica’s face is noticeably chubbier." Probably to make women (that won't play the game) feel better. Its a bit of a trend. Max in the new Life is strange looks chubbier as well. They also did it with Aloy (and changed it back a bit after complaints). Guess a bit woke infusion.
* There’s no sound anymore when the shooting cursor appears, unlike in the original, where the sound even got louder towards the end. The crosshair also looks worse.
Talk about nitpicking lmfao
Also there is a brightness setting when using HDR, which who wouldn't on a PS5 these days? Everything else yeah it sucks for people who've played the original, still fine for the most part for people who don't want to play at a nauseating 30 fps.
@@blindfire3167 Nah the shooting cursor sound is a huge immersive feature imho which is gone in the remake. To me such details matters a lot!
On the topic of sunset. If you have played the original game you would have known, that the game starts around 9pm. To be precise Sam arrives on site by bus at 21:02. It is winter, where in the world is the sun still up at 9pm in winter? I live in Central Europe and in winter the sun is down at 5pm, so at 9pm it is long complete dark. So this argument that in remake, the sun is still up only at the beginning of the game and later on the game is dark as was the original, does not stand. It just does not follow the basics laws of nature.
Why why why go through this much effort to remake a million assets and retexture a ton of stuff to only let the game completely buckle under the weight of bad optimization? Jesus.. Such a waste
works fine for me
@@MrBeetsGaming enjoy broken performance and blurry resolution reconstructed using TAAU lol
Whoever decided changing the cinematic camera angles of the gameplay in a purely cinematic game for a shooter over the shoulder video game camera should be fired.
You’re just complaining for the sake of complaining bud, it should be an option for people who prefer that camera angle like me.
@Vince888 Complaining for the sake of complaining would be if the classic camera was there as an option, but it isn't. Yeah, it should be an option. But it's not.
Until Dawn: Yellow Edition
The new color tone makes the game look day light. Actually looks worse visually compared to the original.
They should have named this remaster just "Dawn".
Yeah! Who likes the sun. We should always be in night.
Back in my day we called it the piss filter.
Exactly. Changes the mood to me.
@@jorge69696 "Ah... Piss!" ~ TF2 Sniper
The QA on this one feels so… non-existant.
I mean, I don’t think anyone would mind if there wasn’t a vsm toggle at launch. It’s not like features can’t be rolled out progressively. Features that exist on the menu, but are entirely and unusually broken though, that just detracts in such an incisive and definitive way.
This is a quick cash grab cash in thats why
The lack of QA can probably be attributed to a tight deadline, so everything was rushed to completion right up to release date and now, after release, they are using the customers as free QA staff until the devs get bored/stop being funded and stop patching the game.
I mean, I heard that the entire QA at Ballistic Moon were laid off.
This is pretty much the state of every triple A release for the past decade, they just rush the games out and fix it later...pretty much every big release has a day one patch...and they fix some things and break others...classic.
I guarantee you QA probably reported all this. Unfortunately they do not control if it gets fixed.
How is this an upgrade?
The camera is broken, removing tension, and the game is now piss yellow.
I'd love for DF to add a segment in all reviews targeted specifically on looking at the impact of downsides of ray-tracing. There's always a lot of positive coverage on RT features...but in realtime gameplay, RT blur and "fuzz" in lighting, especially in dim scenes is a serious concern. By itself, DLSS generally resolves to a solid image at 1440p and 4K, but when you mix in RT lighting's grainy nature it can begin to seriously detract from the image. A TON of sharpness gets lost in the ray-tracing's inaccurate reconstruction from the bounce data.
Ray tracing is ALWAYS an improvement. But using it properly requires lighting artists like they hire for cgi movies... something they sometimes haven't gotten the best artists for games.
@@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish Nah, really has nothing to do with lighting artists. Unreal's raytracing (I guess all raytracing?) is customizable for per pixel count and some other settings I cannot recall. Lumen lighting gets all funky and looks like static unless you crank the values up, but even if you set the values to something shy of nearly eliminating the visual static in the lighting and shadows, it's a massive hit to performance not reasonable to run on modern hardware. All the Lumen stuff for real-time rendering is just a bunch of low performance accurate but blurred shadows. It never produces clear and clean images in motion like games used to look in Unreal3 and 4.
I wouldnt agree about it being optimized for PC.
Not when I have 30-27 FPS in a pitch black Lodge, while 60 FPS when walking outide with a flashlight.
I just find this hilarious. 4K UHD raytraced dynamic lighting in an enclosed environment, every pixel is set to black float3(0,0,0) for 30 FPS. Outdoors with visible snow fall with imitated moon lighting and dynamic flash light gets you 2x FPS. It's more complex than that, but Unreal5 is such a hog with default settings that barely affect the image but will tank performance like crazy is the modern standard.
Dunno, it runs great on my 4080 super and i7 14700kf. At 4k (dlls quality) on ultra settings I've been getting ‘round 80-100 fps (130-140 fps with FG, which btw makes the game feel so much smoother), and even with RT on at 4k (dlls balanced), my fps ain't dropped by much if at all. Still averaging 80 fps without FG (110-120 with it).
I have not played either game, but just observing from a distance I can say I prefer the cooler color tint to the first game immeasurably more than the warmer look of the remake. Not sure why you’d make a game set in a wintry landscape look so summer-y.
Because it starts as the sun is going down and then you go into night and survive till dawn.
Either way it's a amazing game you should play it
It’s dark like 90% of the game, so having that 10% light at the beginning is actually nice.
lol i kept expecting the snow to start melting, makes no sense
HAS ANYONE EVEN BOTHERED TO TURN THE PS5 ON AFTER THE UPDATE??!! That screen tearing cracked my screen just by watching it.
Making a cinematic heavy game (basically a interactive movie in this case) were the cutscenes are absolutely broken, is ridiculous. It like having a FPS game were the guns sound, animation, muzzle flash, etc are broken. This clearly was not play tested at all. I guess a have to thank game companies for stimulating my patient and low time preference, to just buy their games a year or two more down the line (if at all) at a discounted price after they fixed the issues and the product is actually ready.
Every remake just looks like someone hit auto in lightroom
This is the whole reason for the big push for Ray Tracing it makes lighting things way easier for the game developers no more weeks and months of having to fake lighting and reflections, with the downside of that unique lighting style games had because they were faking the lighting and could never get it right is gone, and now everything will look the same and accurate like real life why all these modern games look and feel the same now.
@@nebadon2025literally the dumbest take. Are you seriously suggesting that you can't achieve amazing lighting in REALITY?
@@DanKaschel That's...not at all what he said? He's saying older games HAD to focus on rasterized lighting to make it look good, generally giving an artist's touch to each scene that was lit. Now, you have actual ray based lighting which you put a light source on the map, and the engine/GPU and CPU calculate the rest. Every game looks the same lighting wise because we now have realistic lighting and no time to actually implement rasterization properly anymore.
@@blindfire3167 he said that all with RT everything has the same look and feel, and that's why games look and feel the same now. Which, if you've ever seen, you know, a photograph, is completely false.
wouldn't be far from the truth, every game has to have raytracing now days, because nvidia says so
How? How do you mess up pre-rendered video? For all the problems UE5 has, that should not be one of them.
easy to answer, 1 core processing
Screen tearing in cutscenes... these developers are shameless. This is why we need a full refund policy for all software purchases.
On pre-rendered cutscenes...not even in real time...
I'd just play the original. Having a clean image that runs at 60fps is great.
I think games should be built today to run at 60fps and 30fps up to 4K on current gen consoles with the ability to run up to 120fps on later hardware. Afterall, its now normal for games to run on future hardware, especially with the move to digital games.
The physics do break for certain things in the original version on PS5 because it was never supposed to hit 60fps. So be aware of that.
PC doesn't have that option
@@WllKiedSnake Like what?
@@boirfanman Physics objects like the lantern you use. It wilds out.
@@WllKiedSnake So just funny stuff like that? No game breaking stuff?
Hopefully they patch in a way to play with the fixed cameras, since they're clearly still present at some points.
I’m sorry but that screen tearing in the pre rendered cut scene wasn’t taken to task enough. Unfathomable that this has been allowed to ship.
I'll be replaying the original this year. Party like it's 2015! When we had good art direction, cinematography and a stable framerate!
I'm with you on the art direction and cinematography, but the original Until Dawn usually ran below the 30fps line when it released back on PS4. It's now a perfect 60 if played on PS5 so that's great!
What a strange decision to make the color tone warm. Something about the original with the blue makes it believe it's the moonlight, giving it a much more horror vibe.
Edit: Clearly I haven’t played this remake and basing my comment off what I see in the tech videos
Warm colors go away as soon as chapter 2 starts...
Bruh... it gets more blue/darker later on in the game as the sun goes down
It's literally just in the first chapter where time of day is earlier
We call this day time.
Tired of these people who judge an ENTIRE game by its first 30 mins
I am baffled at how these studios continue to remake games no one asked to be remade. What is the point of this waste of resources? Who are the fools making these decisions?
30 fps for a remaster in 2024...
unacceptable, if they were trying to prove the new devs could do it better, they proved themselves fired
This generation has been 50% "remakes". There is no original ideas anymore and it's all about profits for these companies.
@@HKdagreat unfortunately studios aren't going to stop doing this as long as people keep buying them. Most people can't be bothered to do a couple minutes of internet searching to figure out how to emulate an old game. Many would rather just fork over the money for a remake/remaster and these are exactly the people game studios are targeting.
@@someusername1872I mean... most people aren't savvy with tech lol.
why do you think consoles are so popular, if people wanted a better experience they'd be on PC but for that you'd have to be into tweaking.
It’s to risky to make a new idea these days with how high budgets r one flop equals closing down for first party studios at PlayStation selling like 8 million copies at full price is breaking Evan and 10 million is pretty much just there budget for the next game and they get to try again in 5 years
@@dr_diddy We all have a boundless amount of information readily available at our fingertips. This isn't about most people not being tech savvy, it's about most people being lazy
People dont buy ideas. They like games they already know and rehashes of the same idea like Atlas new
No performance mode for ps5 and the warm colours make this a no for me. Still, I was playing the original last night and it looks great to me. This was a waste of a remake effort. The fixed camera is better as well as it creates a more cinematic feel. Which suits the style of game better.
0:23 haha they had to change the joystick input to L2/R2 because PS5 controller would choose for you with the stick drift
16:11 You only need one thread to run this game? LOL
hey DF thx for doing an update video for patches, appreciate it
didn't play this game when released, have no intention of playing it ever, but damn does the original look better than the remake in way of art style(blue filter). Some of the comments are saying they also completely changed the music, it looks like it feels so different from the original that calling it a remake is a mistake, call it a remix. Honestly, how much did this game sell back in the day? is it even worth making again? like who asked for this? how many millions of dollars did this cost? If this generation is just going to be remaking games, could they at least be from 2 generations ago?
The original is awesome and did not need this "remake".
@@siegfriedo agree, nonetheless tho i still found the remake very fun, but yeah it had some issues tho, thanfully tho since im on pc i could obv just crack the game so yeah. I love until dawn to death to the point that i even reached platinum on the ps4, but idk if its really full price worthy, especially at this price. I'll probably buy a legitimate version when it gets on sale on steam.
Insane how much better the original looks in all the side-by-sides - the remake has better resolution but the original just looks way more artfully made.
They completely ruined the atmosphere with the new lighting. Why they thought it would be okay to make it SO much brighter in some scenes is wild
i'm guessing the devs were like, i can't see where i'm going, need more lighting
Drone
@@questcore636 you are a drone too
The one thing you cannot deny is that the audio is a million times better. It sounded like all the voice acting was recorded in a tin can in the first one. Now it’s fixed
They used the same fbx models and the same bvh animation files, incl cameras not to mention game logic all that's improved is texture quality and render, lighting etc owing to UE5. Should've been called a remaster and priced much lower
It’s crazy. There are shots in the remake where the lighting is SO much better both in realism and tone, then the next shot is some of the worst lighting that completely kills the tone.
I dont understand why the using UE5. UE5 is such unoptimized Engine. Even UE4 is much better.
its a fine engine, its the devs who cant handle the engine.
@@InnerFury1886 I disagree. The only reason the engine is used is cause at the front end it's easy to just asset flip stuff into, however you need actual experienced programmers to optimize it. These devs cut the most corners and just hire temps to work on games now, and refuse to actually pay the experienced workers
@@ramonosukeYh it seems there's quite a few issues with the engine based on the amount of games with identical issues.
memory, stuttering and nanite hasn't exactly been a massive saviour since rendering is broken from a distance
@@InnerFury1886 unreal was always overrated
All Unreal engines had a crappy start performance wise, and got better over time.
For everyone who might want to know what the heck VSMs are, here's a not so short summary which will help you understand what the heck are you seeing.
VSM stands for "virtual shadow map", they are an extension of "virtual textures", more specifically "runtime virtual textures".
Virtual textures is a technique where instead of loading the whole texture when you need it, you divide it into smaller portions, you try to figure out which of those portions are visible in the models in your frame, and you load only those portions. What the "runtime" variant of the virtual texture means is that instead of loading the portions of the texture from disk you actually generate those portions at "runtime".
You might ask yourself, "when would that apply? why would I want to generate texture in runtime?". This is useful when you have some expensive shader calculation that is dynamic but at the same time mostly static, meaning, it changes during the game execution, but the results are mostly static throughout the game. For example, blending a bunch of texture together, you might need to do it at runtime because you want to change those individual textures for the blend, but maybe after you blend them you rarely change them so the result is always the same. By making these runtime textures "virtual" you only need to do it for the portions you see in a frame and not the whole texture and only when necessary.
Finally, VSMs are simply runtime virtual textures but for shadows, if you assume your shadows don't change much you "bake" or "cache" the result of normal shadow computation into a virtual texture so that you only ever bake the portions that you actually changed. This way you don't need to keep calculating the shadows every frame for everything in the level, and instead you only calculate it if the shadows changes and only for those portions visible to the screen.
If for whatever reason shadows do change or some dynamic element in the game makes them change, those "portions" are considered "invalid" and need to be recalculated. What you see in this footage with the "black squared shapes" glitch, are those exact "portions" (technically called "tiles") not being invalidated properly or not being recalculated properly. So the previous result of the "tile" stays for too long and there's a mismatch between the shadow and the objects around it.
They completely destroyed the art direction in the remake
I'm glad they remade for a game that was already available for PS5
not for steam though, we'll have no choice but the remake (grumble grumble)
this game never needed a remake, dunno why they remade it
Money & to entice a new audience
I'm enjoying the remake so far, it's crazy to see how much better it looks. Even when the game already looked good
I guess Sony is desperate in needing traction for this game.
These kind of videos are always curious to me on the rare occasion I indulge in them. I'm playing Until Dawn on PS5. Bought it digitally from the PS Store on launch day. Zero issues with my playthrough.
dude they changed the lighting mood, added a hat, then screwed up the cutscenes
I just got it on PC and played it from start to finish. My only complaint is that i had some minor traversal stutters, and my totem screen runs at silky smooth 1 fps sometimes (i have no idea why). Otherwise the game works and looks more than fine, and idk where this "LIGHTING IS LE RUINED" complaint comes from either, as soon as chapter 1 ends you CAN'T see anything without the flashlight, that's how dark it is.
This is so pathetic.. shame on Sony for letting such poor quality software to be sold.
why add a north korean hat?
Thank you for covering PC content folks! Love it
An unnecessary remake made worse. That's current Sony for you.
Hopefully a PS5 Pro patch finally will enable smooth video playback... 🤞
I really dont like some of the lighting changes. They are so drastic and change the mood completely and even tho the remake has higher graphical fedility some scenes look worse.
Its just in the first chapter. After that its back to the usual blue tone
How about finishing something before you sell it?
Why does snow on PC look horrible
Because it keeps popping in and taking a second to render the detail. That’s surprisingly bad.
broken tesselation / LOD´s i think
Interesting to see this performance since this is the first game that ran insanely well, 60 fps for 90% of the time, sometimes dropping to high 50s, on my by now ancient rtx 2060 on 1440p high settings.
Damn the original looks miles away better
I started playing Until Dawn PS4 version on PS5 for the first time and there's no way this remake can convince me to upgrade I'll take added performance over a visual overhaul all day.
the RT implementation is laughable in the remake, no change visually, but performance wise it takes almost 40 fps even in the menu hahaha. Come to think of it, the entire remake is useless, worthless, for 70 euro this is just absurd.
there is a subtle difference. definitely not worth the performance hit, and unlikely to be noticed in motion without a side by side comparison, but it is there.
RTX is just a scam as always.
inb4 the "runs fine on my pc" or "stop nitpicking". I realise I'm a little late.
Its DF's way.
I seen a old Ps4 HZD dawn review where they complain the game would drop from 30fps to 29fps here and there for a millisecond. Something the player will never notice .
30 fps in 2024. Man... BTW: RT still looks like a joke.
did you expect anything more from a low power console? thats on you
6:08 That scene looks awful in the remake. The girl floats up onto her feet and then the mobile phone flies in from off-screen in front of them instead of falling out of her pocket.
Its nearly end of 2024 , most of the games are evolving in visual and performance just backward (just my opinion)
It's wild that this game passed cert. Cert in 2024 seems to mean "pay us a fee and you get the ok" as opposed to game passing any type of testing.
Cyberpunk passed to remember.
What the hell is Sony funding these days? They trust their teams so little that they don't even get to make new games??
The tech may be better, but the art direction is so uninspired in the remake. And the higher fidelity models with old animations look even rougher.
Definitely not a game worth revisiting
Good lord, I feel bad for the devs here. There is rarely such a fantastic case of "update the code, break 500 other things"
Original 2015 version looks *obviously* better and this is the most wasted remake yet.
Eh already played the original 16 times, so down to try something new
have another hit of the copium, the remake clearly looks significantly better. not defending a poor remake with all the bugs and poor performance, but its obviously a visual improvement.
@@iris4547 Same for me but i still prefer winter haunting aesthetics of classic.
Textures are clearly better, just compare the ending interview with all the characters.
Modern gaming. Where they can't even release a remake without it needing a patch at launch.
I'm so sick of current gen graphics.
the new color grading just loses the atmosphere for me in some scenes
These demakes are horrible.
Even worse that they are charging full price for this slop.
how do they screw up a prerendered cutscene like that?
OG until dawn is my fav PS4 game, and I made sooooo many runs on it and watched so many different let's plays it was crazy.
I also got to play the remake on my PC and finished it twice. I still really liked it but that's mostly cause I already loved the original;
this remake though, is far from perfect. There were a couple of visual glitches and one softlock mechanic which annoyed me a bit, but other than that there are 2 major flaws for me personally:
1)The new OST cannot be put on the same level as the original one, it's not even close. Should've had an option to choose whichever one to use.
2)I much prefer the fixed camera angles in this title, I felt like it was part of the game's art, it was used sooo well and its usage was always smart
If Ballistic Moon seeks to improve and redeem this title, they either patch in a classic mode in the next update or they port over the original title to pc.
The Last of Us Part 1, Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered, and Until Dawn shouldn't have been made. Absolute waste of time and money.
thank god the last of us didn't kill the mood, my most beloved game i own
@@questcore636 Eh... It made some weird small decisions here and there. I remember one of the earlier levels when you have to stealth your way through a harbor. In the original game all boats were full of holes and were laying on the bottom of the river. In the remake they are all in great condition floating on the water.
How the heck do they screw up the cutscenes for a game that's mostly cutscene
Really feels like devs can't optimize games anymore.
So, Raytracing drops your framerate by 30% but makes no difference to how the game looks? Wow, what a fail.
i can't stand raytracing, makes the look of the game look to red/orange with too many reflections, not even real puddles is that reflective
Just a typical RTX scam as always lol.
No performance mode on PS5? What a joke.
They are probably "saving" it for PS5 pro lol
At about 9:15 in the video, the foliage to the bottom right hand of the scene has a stark white outline for no logical reason. These sorts of outlines can be spotted in many scenes and even in other UE5 titles like Black Myth Wukong or Silent Hill 2 Remake. What is this? To me it absolutely wrecks image quality. I Play/watch on an OLED with HDR, does that exasperate the problem? Any info on it would be appreciated because it really bugs me.