I think that's because, obviously, the writer of the movie didn't know that JD would be so loved and people would seek deeper. However the musical had the advantage of knowing the audience and what they wanted to happen, so they did. They made JD die with integrity, he was insane, yes, but he made up for it and stopped the deaths, the only way he knew how, by taking himself out of the equation
in the musical she literally said 'say hi to god' and 'my date for the pep rally kinda blew... me off' so like?? she did NOT say she loved him and would miss him. stop hating on the musical for literally no reason at all. both movie and musical veronica were badass and winona ryder and the director of the movie LOVE the musical
@@deadchannel2468 he's making a joke about her faked suicide before she showed up in the boiler room, he really thought she was dead edit: wait i rewatched the scene, and that's totally not it, i hadn't understood what he said he says "pretend i do blow up the school, now that you're dead what are you gonna do with your life?" he's mimicking Veronica's question from the beginning of the movie, the first time they talked
I never connected it before but now I remember that scene where he lit his cigarette with her burning hand and in this scene she light her cigarette with the fire that burns his body and I think that's beautiful
The difference between the ending of the film and the musical really shows how we, as a society, have changed our views on "Crazy students who attack schools," and the kids who commit those crimes.
TheHarlequinHatter FUCKING THANK YOU. SO MANY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THEY PREFER THE END OF THE MUSICAL BECAUSE "its more emotional and romanticly sad" BUT THATS DANGEROUS BULLSHIT BECAUSE HES TOXIC TO THE POINT WHERE HE WONT EVEN ACCEPT THE HELP VERONICA TRIED TO OFFER BY GIVING HIM A CHANCE AT A BETTER LIFE WITH HER
@@paprika8334 Yeah, like I feel like it was way too dull here. I do like both endings... But at least the musical had some emotion. I just wish the movie version of him was written with him having some progression too of going crazy. He just seemed the same way all the way through and it really bothered me. I like seeing progression of insanity instead of staying the same the whole time. I saw that progression in the musical. Then again, that's just how I see it. I see people liking either one more than the other. I'm one of those fans who liked both doh so yeh
@@britknee3019 I know, it's just that personally for me I would've liked progression in his insanity instead of being the same all the way through. But that's just how I feel about it. 🤷
I honestly love both the movie version and the musical version of Heathers, but for different reasons. The movie shows how truly fucked up everything was and really hit home on the abusive relationship Veronica and JD had. JD turned out to be crazy and she ignored all of the warning signs he gave off throughout the movie. However, the musical showed that JD wasn't a complete psychopath and that he was redeemable in some ways. Veronica truly cared about him, maybe even go as far as to say she loved him. I really enjoy both versions, and the musical has some really catchy ass songs if you haven't checked it out yet.
Yes I agree I too enjoy the musical and the movie for different reasons. Like you said the Movie really shows just how toxic (and straight up abusive-) their relationship was. And the way the movie is makes it seem like JD was just ALWAYS crazy. And ugh this is gonna sound super fucked up but..I kinda liked the crazy side. Idk that’s just my opinion I’ve always liked crazy characters (Like Monica from “Market of Monsters.” It’s a good series you should check it out if you like thriller books.) As for the musical they make JD a bit more...sympathetic the audience immediately feels for him but at the same time it doesn’t excuse his actions which is why I liked it so much. And I agree the songs are so damn catchy! But the sad part is I have “Dead Girl Walking” stuck in my head and if I sing that out loud...😬 Oh and also 60th like 😆
I honestly believe that JD was a hostage to his own greed and dark view on life and apparently became a victim of his own ways as he no longer had Veronica in his life as well as his mother. It's rather saddening if you think about it that there are people out there who feel unloved and that when they do find a source of happiness it's gone because they had as JD put it, "gross and icky feelings unable to face"
Auburn Perry You're right, I got in depression and... I know what you're talking about and I can see his character... he got emotionless because of all the pain
I have to say, this ending in the movie, JD is all like "Okay bye y'all" but in the musical, he's all like "You were all I had, but you don't love me anymore so I'll leave"
That's the thing. 1980 - 1990's comedy came from pain and misery, but the deaths are either random, or not taken as seriously. The musical portrays him as a less of a psychopath and seems to treat her like the light if a dark tunnel. In the original he didn't care. Humor back then included a girl having feelings for another while the other clearly doesn't care about her. In this case, Jason Dean was using Veronica to satisfy his hopes on committing a mass genocide. It's called a dark comedy show for a reason
TBH I think that the movie version of JD deserved to die... But since I saw the musical version first, I got attached to him immediately and cried when he died. ; w ; I don't feel any attachment to the him in the movies tho-
I won't say if he deserved or not to die. The only thing I'll say is that (I think) people like movie JD can't ever be happy, or at least satisfied. Musical JD could have a chance, but I don't think the movie one has.
I prefer the movie version. I like the coldness and the complete lack of emotion. It shows that Veronica was fed up with JD and him dying is the only solution and in JD shows his complete insanity and god complex he had. The musical tried to make him and their relationship way too romantic and powerful while that was not the point. (I still like a lot of songs from the musical though)
I feel like although both are amazing in their own right, the way the musical portrays Veronica's reactions and JD's obsessive love for her is more realistic. JD, is INSANE and some of the musicals attempts to make him more likable kinda failed. But his obsessive behavior over Veronica makes sense for his insanity and Veronica, is so much more empathetic and remorseful than JD so her wanting him to live makes total sense. She felt bad about Heather Chandler and the jocks too and she really did have romantic feelings for him, so that state of panic thinking that she can turn things around is completely human and real unlike how the movie plays it up to Veronica pleased at the death to her first love and first heartbreak.
Grace Lenore It kinda pisses me off that people like JD because he's hot, like really now. And, in my opinion they were able to make him a more likable character because he seemed more human, thus making him more relatable. And plus, how can you not like him? If you don't then...cool, but I personally felt sorry for him, seeing as he'd been through a lot and actually had feelings and suddenly just...died. But I don't know, that's your opinion.
I liked the musical because it shows that he fucked with her head enough that she still felt emotional and sad when he was killing himself with the bomb.
If not for the fact that he blows himself up, the way he was speaking implied that he planned on doing the same or worse to another school. Kinda like an evil version of the 70s Bruce Banner, instead of walking around to help people, he walks town to town to cause trouble.
He was making a joke about when they first met. He implied that veronica's stupid question at the beginning was as stupid as what he wanted to achieve. It was all meaningless. I could be wrong though.
am I the only one who likes this scene as it is? i love how they're both so cold and distant, but for some reason you still feel that there's something,, idk what it is, maybe they do love eichother but in a very strange way. veronicas cold reaction just really fits. i wouldn't change a thing
Little did she know Veronica would grow up and have two kids Jonathan and Will Byers. She will hang up Christmas lights in September and go to another dimension with chief Jim hopper. She will go insane until she gets her boy back from the upside down.
In the alternate version, Veronica killed JD and strapped the bomb to her chest. Then it fades to black after she says "boom" and it shows all the characters (even the ones who died) dancing in heaven
Rowan Jin it was easier to see why Veronica actually loved him ya know. They made him less of a psychopath originally and more of one for her. They made him more of a misguided teenager who just wanted to make thingsbetter, while in the movie he's just batshit nope. Like the Joker but a teen almost? Guess that's why I love the character so much.
JD in this movie is more realistic. The JD in the musical, while sharing his charm, is less of a sociopath and more ... romanticized? I like the musical, I like the movie, but what the musical forgets is that JD isn't some angsty teenager that has a kink for bombs; he's a deranged sociopath that genuinely takes pleasure out of violence and death. This scene just goes to show that Veronica and JD were less in love and more out of it, you know? Like they were showing their true colors. JD made Veronica a better person because she realized how horrible of one he really was and how her angst teenage problems ceased to exist in comparison (wishing the Heathers died, etc., etc. then seeing it actually happen).
econaur I totally agree with what you say, but I also find, personally, that the romanticism of JD's character placed emphasis on how crazy he is. The way Veronica responds when ever he "serenades" her shows just how manipulative and mind controlling he is. The attachment that the audience has makes them question their moral code by sympathizing with a psychopath responsible for the death of multiple people; it makes the audience ponder if the character is so manipulative that you empathize with his "self-sacrifice". That's my personal opinion...I truly see it both ways though.
i just wanna thank this entire thread for politely discussing the situation in a matter they think about it instead of just going of and screaming at each other’s opinions like a lot of people in the comments 😅
//when you're that person that actually likes the movie WAY better than the musical// I mean, I really do enjoy the musical, yes, but nothing can beat the way you feel after watching this movie
Personally I think that the ending is a masterpiece and not as cold and heartless as everyone thinks. JD has a choice at the end to carry out his plans of blowing up the school or killing himself, and he kills himself, I think because he realizes that ending all the lives in that school won’t take away his deep rooted childhood trauma that’s making him be this way. When he shows Veronica I think perhaps there could be hesitance in her, but not sympathy. She knows he has to die for all the pain he caused her, and all the lives he took. But I think they really connect in those last few scenes and I don’t think it’s cold at all. I think JD cared about her. I mean, after all, he went to say his final goodbyes to her. I think he does realize the pain he caused her. Why else would he show her that he was about to kill himself? Not sure how to explain it. Anyone else feel this way?
I think it'd be nice if he didn't set off the bomb because imagine. Veronica talks him out of it, gets him to a hospital. J.D. gets help, tries to become a better person. Mabye they become seperated, and if they did: One day Veronica is just living her life like normal, and one day a new neighbor moves in. She doesn't go and greet him or anything, but mabye a few days later the neighbor comes and knocks on the door. When she opens it she sees an older J.D. and all he says is, " Wanna go get a slushie?"
Napstablook okay but that would stretch out the movie way more longer than it already was and that kinda seems cheesy, romanticized, unrealistic especially since Jason doesn't love Veronica. He was manipulating her into thinking he loved her when really he was just using her to get revenge, so this plot would just bring everything back to square one
It was an idea, it didn't have to be in the movie. Hell yeah it was cheesy, because I'm cheesy. But it didn't really have to be romantic or anything, just imagine a dude you thought loved you showed up on your door step. She'd be pissed, but it's always nice to see someone change for the better in my opinion. It's just the way I am.
I love both the movie and the musical, but they really feel like completely different stories. I love how the movie portrays them as two strong personalities locked in a power struggle. Veronica doesn't have any strong values at first, she's disgusted by the bullying and fakes but still joins in. It's only when fighting other strong personalities like Heather Chandler and JD that she finds her own strength. JD is both attracted to and jealous of Veronica's own power, and tries to dominate her whenever she gets out from under his thumb. This ending is him finally admitting that she beat him at his own game.
Yeah, it's really really unhealthy to like someone like JD but, it was inevitable. An attractive, witty, smart, but kinda insane boy who looks cool doing literally everything. You can't have a character like that and not expect people to swoon.
Horace the Cheese I love the musical so much but the movie was better. the musical she gives him a lot of weird chances even though he's a psychopath stalker. In the movie she's just done with his shit
Yoitsjai I agree! I actually saw the musical first and I love it too but the Veronica in this is just better - I like her as a character more and it feels clearer JD is a literal psychopath, as it should.
i actually really like the idea of the lines "our love is god" and "say hi to god" in the movie. maybe not in the same context as they were in the musical, but it could had been a good tool to show jd being manipulative. they could have had veronica and jd repeating "our love is god" back and forth to each other throughout the movie (usually after they do some bad shit like kill someone, jd always saying it first, lowkey pressuring veronica into saying it too so she thinks she loves him back). then at the end, his last words are "our love is god", but she replies, "say hi to god," in the most dry, sarcastic manner so it represents that their love is dead.
Calm down about that movie and the musical, I think they both made different points. Musical JD is more likable as a character so more people sympathize with him. I don't think he was necessarily in love with Veronica, but wanted the idea. The idea of everything being beautiful, and a place to live in. Somebody who genuinely cared for other people, and didn't ridicule him. Movie JD is much more manipulative and not made out to be as much of a likable character. I think both of them have a charm though. A clever wit and words that make you go along with the plan. That's the point. JD is the antihero, he can't win. It's a moral compass. But that small part of you wishes it was different. In the end no other ending would be justified. JD is a killer. But he is a complex character. That's what makes him interesting. The way he was presented in the musical is very different than the movie. The ending is still essentially the same, he *CAN'T* be with Veronica. He got what he deserved. I don't think it's as much the musicals fault of romanticizing JD as it is the fandom's fault. And it could be fair to say that he didn't love Veronica and Veronica didn't love him. It's just they wanted something. JD is still manipulative, and a psycho.
THANK GOD SOMEBODY SAID IT. I'm really pissed off with people arguing " ThE mOvIe iS bEttEr" "nO tHe mUsIcAl iS bEttEr" I mean you guys can have ur own opinions but you don't have to shit on the different version of Heathers
I mug Yes, but that doesn't excuse him killing 3 people, abusing Veronica, and attempting a mass genocide on all the students in the school. It shouldn't matter how hot and psychotic he might be. He should be punished.
I might be biased but I don't like this scene simply because there's no "I am damaged" song. And because in the musical Veronica doesn't want JD to kill himself but the movie one feels completely OK with it (which is totally reasonable I just think the musical ending is more emotional)
Drew DeKeyrel The Movie is the original. Cannonly, JD isnt some yandere. He doesnt love Veronica. He sees her as an object. A possession. And tbh...you people going all over Movie posts screeching that the Musical was better is fucking annoying.
Drew DeKeyrel The musical is about hope and changing thing to make them better. The movie is an exaggeration of highschool in American society. It doesn't have the ending, "we can be beautiful" moral. It's more of a,"we're fucked up. society is fuck up moral." Therefore it is less emotional because the characters don't necessarily believe in a better reality waiting to be discovered. They're more in the now.
i'm pretty sure he does love her, it's just that he can't express emotions. and he doesn't kill for fun, he kills because he thinks he's making the world a better place.
Himawari Person ok, I'll give you the second part because jd did THINK he was making the world a better place, but in the movie he did NOT love Veronica. Anyone can see that. In the musical,however, he did love her. J.D through the whole movie was just using her and didn't really care about her. He only started respecting Veronica after she shot him.
Lets see how I'm managing to find connections between everything I watch. Watches stranger things. Enjoys. Meets Friend. Friend likes heathers: the musical Watches. Enjoys. Finds out Heathers: the musical is based off the movie Watches. Enjoys. Finds out about Mr. Robot. Watches. Enjoys. Finds out Christian Slater was in Mr Robot and Heathers. Freaks out. Finds out Winona Ryder was in Stranger Things, Heathers, and Beetlejuice. Freaks out. Friend is also friends with another friend of mine. Freaks out. Kill me.
I really prefer this ending more than the musical's because if I was Veronica I wouldn't care as much either. She knew he would do something like that if he didn't win. And he probably would've let himself blow up too I'm the movie as well. Either way I prefer the ending of the movie but I prefer Martha of the musical so I guess it evens out in my opinion
The Musical ruined this by making everyone "sweet angelic babies who are just misunderstood and damaged uwu" when the entire point is that it's horrible people doing horrible things to other horrible people
Matt Trulock I think they just didn’t make JD a cold blooded killer. They gave him depth and showed that he would really trade his life for Veronica. It was more romantic, yes, but I do not believe that they made everyone “sweet angelic babies who are just misunderstood and damaged uwu”. They probably even made H. Chandler more horrible and less humane by not having her raped by college boys and gave her self confidence that when the movie made her have very, very little self confidence. H. Duke still had bulimia but it is less pronounced in the musical.
But for me, the musical makes more sense, movie JD is straight up evil, musical JD is like idk? He lost everything, his mom is the only person he cares about, he also have depression btw. Anyways, when he met Veronica, she cares about him, unlike everyone, so JD would do everything to make her happy, musical JD shows that he is just a broken kid, by the end of the musical, JD realized his mistake and redeem himself by blowing himself up
I like the movies version of JD's death, it leaves you with suspense and it's super twisted and dark like the character himself, it's not cheesy like the play, c'mon be honest would a character like JD really go holding his ex girlfriend and saying how he worships her or would he go strapped to a bomb smiling?
Though I love the musical, I definitely think the film portrayed the characters in a more corrupted and interesting light. JD always thought he was doing everything right, he believed that society was so much better with him killing away anyone who lay a hand on him, Veronica and anyone else. He knew exactly how to control and manipulate Veronica even till the end. The musical portrays a more romantic and funny side to JD and while I love that, I think he much suits an antagonist who prides himself with the death of others who wrong him. I love both the musical and the movie but the movie definitely portrays the characters better.
I prefer the movie WAY more than the musical... Maybe because i saw the movie fist idk... But the musical romanticises their relationship too much, like in the movie JD had an infatuation with Veronica, but he didn't show as much emotion towards her as he did in the musical, the musical makes it out to seem as if they were in love or "could've been" in love but in all reality JD is a sociopath who most definitely cannot feel love like the rest of us. The relationship was doomed from the start, there was no hope. JD never actually loved Veronica, did Veronica love him? Maybe? But in the musical she also had wayyy too many feelings towards him, in the movie she was smarter and seemed to be able to grasp that everything in her teenage years was just hormone fueled angst, and that their thing wasn't love, They were just teenagers messing around, but then it got serious as people started dying, and she felt trapped. In the musical it seems as if she's fine with this situation in 'Our love is God' but really she was never fine with it. Shes glad that he dies because she is then freed from him and the troubles that he caused her. It was not a romance as the musical made it seem. The movie was more realistic.
I think in the end, JD did love veronica in his own way. Maybe not really since he was a psychopath, but I think he "fell in love" with the idea that veronica understands him so much and that they're so alike and that no one else understands. Since he doesn't exactly have a real discerning for right and wrong, it would be extremely difficult to say that JD loved veronica because it'd be hard to figure out his exact definition of love. But he seemed to love his mother very much, which could show he had feelings? Anyways, I like this scene for the sole reason of veronica's reaction: she doesn't have one. She couldn't care less. Which means, if you think about it, did the murders, that she and JD commited, get to her head? Because regardless of how awful Kurt, Ram, and Heather C were, a life is still a life, and a human who understood that concept would have some sort of regret or feel remorse in some form for a life that's gone. But she didn't. And I love that concept. The musical was very emotional with the death, which was the way that a normal veronica would have reacted, but the movie just further shines light on the fact that veronica is not normal at all. I love both though. Musical and Movie. It's nice to see different interpretations of these characters.
I love the movie and the musical for different reasons, the musical is (to me at least) more relatable and explains how Veronica ended up a heather and explains her more as a victim then a villain it also makes jd seem like less of a prick the movie however makes jd crazy and makes it seem like Veronica knows what she is doing, it is more about wanting love but also vengeance movie Veronica was smart and wanted to live in the edge she saw the worst in most things musical Veronica cared deeply about everyone at her school and wasn't as strong she was motivated by love and friendship. These two characters are the same person but I don't find them comparable
To me, this one makes me more sad than the musical death. Mostly because of Veronica’s emotionless reaction. JD loved her, but she realized he was a monster, not loving him back, even in his death.
i never liked jd. probably because i was watching it with someone who had seen it before and said "thats the psychopath" when he appeared for the first time
Fun fact: I haven’t watched heathers and I don’t know the slightest about it and have no clue how I got here. All I know is that drama is about to go down, and that when you write “Fun fact”, people will read the whole comment.
It’s sad that he dies (because he’s hot) but I think this movie has a really nice ending. Most stories, you assume the main character won’t die. They’ll all live happily ever after. It’s nice to see a change where the person who should die, does actually die
People really romanticize this situation way more than they need too. We need to remember this was NOT a healthy, loving relationship. It was pure manipulation, lies, and business I would say on JD's part. I'd say the movie represents that it's not really about their relationship well.
I think the only reason people "romanticize" this is because of the musical. The musical made you sympathise and/or relate to JD, especially in the song "Freeze Your Brain".
Lmao the way she just LITS her FUCKING CIGARETTE with his EXPLODING BODY and then takes a casual drag before walking away like "cool bye bitch" im WHEEZING-
The benefit of being with the villain rather than the hero is that the hero would sacrifice you to save the world....... The villain would sacrifice the world.. To save you.
Musical: *JD accepts defeat and decides blow himself up.* Veronica: No! Don't do this!😭 Movie: *JD accepts defeat and decides to blow himself up* Veronica: Sweet! Thanks so much for this. I forgot my lighter.
He didn't need to die, he needed help, like professional help. That's what made it sad, he is a psychopath but you can tell he was just messed up. Of course it does not excuse his actions, but his life could've turned out better. This sounds stupid, but do you know what I mean? If you comment please do constructive criticism, I'm trying to have an open mind.
I get what you're saying; if he's a sociopath, it's not necessarily entirely his fault that he's like that, because his brain cannot process the difference between right and wrong. And yeah, he killed people but it's because there's something wrong with his brain and he couldn't stop himself if he tried.
I personally feel like the movie version is more emotional than the musical. They’re two different types of emotions, that’s all. The way veronica pulls out a cigarette for JD to light by blowing himself up, and her not saying a word throughout it, makes it so emotionally intense in my opinion.
To me its the premise or theme of a movie that should dictate what the charecters will or will not do, in this case the ending make sense for this particular premise, you can still see veronica crying in the film but shes still holding her tears because she wants to be strong, that's emotional to me just as the musical is but it's just different kind of emotional and I personally think the movie is better structured and sticks to its premise way better, some subtle scenes like facial expressions fly over people's heads, this scene gives you more hints of what they feel instead of just having a manipulative scene, that's more interesting to me
when I first watched the movie I did NOT see this coming, I was actually a little sad to see it happen to such an interesting character. J.D. makes the plot of the story so much more intriguing and fun to watch. Great film!!
Winona Ryder will always be the best Veronica Sawyer. She's a badass queen, the "sherrif" as she calls herself in the end. One of the best films I've watch.
I never seen this movie, but my favorite part of J.D.s death scene in this clip is when it shows an aerial view of Veronica as she folds her arms while patiently waiting for the bomb to explode.
Not gonna lie, I kinda feel bad for JD. He might be the antagonist and crazy psychotic, but he's basically also the definition of a scary childhood, let me go down my list: He was neglected by his father, he witnessed his mother dying, and he before coming to sherwood Ohio, who knows how many times JD has had to move, plus at Westerberg, he gets bullied and there's always a part of saying "Well, he's not wrong." JD might be the antagonist but I don't think he deserved to suffer through his childhood, if anything his dad is the real antagonist, if he didn't neglect his own son, JD wouldn't be a murderer. JD has gone through a lot of scary, devastating, and sad times, if you ask me he didn't deserve suffering when he was a child besides look what happened to his hand, and in the end, he basically sacrifices himself so the school wouldn't blow up. He may be a murderer but its actually theoried that he had schizophrenia ao i dont blame him. Anyone else agree?
Now im looking at this scene second time and it had me to realize she is sad in this scene and holding tears back, winona ryders face expresions make me confused in the car when the argued i was thinking that she was smiling to him lol
When you realize JD was the only suicide in Heathers.
And only one without a suicide note
Vedran Iljazović truth
🤯
Without a suicide note written by JD lol he didn’t write his own note but at least he had a pretty epic last words
what about martha? she just survived
Musical Veronica: JD my love I will miss you
Movie Veronica: lol bye biatch
Brooklyn Campbell thats why i like the movie more than the musical
god i love both versions
lightin' mah cig leggo man
I think that's because, obviously, the writer of the movie didn't know that JD would be so loved and people would seek deeper. However the musical had the advantage of knowing the audience and what they wanted to happen, so they did. They made JD die with integrity, he was insane, yes, but he made up for it and stopped the deaths, the only way he knew how, by taking himself out of the equation
in the musical she literally said 'say hi to god' and 'my date for the pep rally kinda blew... me off' so like?? she did NOT say she loved him and would miss him. stop hating on the musical for literally no reason at all. both movie and musical veronica were badass and winona ryder and the director of the movie LOVE the musical
JD: Now that you're dead, what are you gonna do with your life?
Veronica: *pulls out cigarette* You're gonna light my cigarette :)))
Annaliese Ruano that exact scene came on as I read this...😂
Veronica isn't dead.
Metron 65418 we know, maybe JD meant something else?
Annaliese Ruano :))) 😂😂
@@deadchannel2468 he's making a joke about her faked suicide
before she showed up in the boiler room, he really thought she was dead
edit: wait i rewatched the scene, and that's totally not it, i hadn't understood what he said
he says "pretend i do blow up the school, now that you're dead what are you gonna do with your life?"
he's mimicking Veronica's question from the beginning of the movie, the first time they talked
Veronica in movie: hah he died
Veronica in musical: hOLY FuCK NONO NonONONO NOOO NOT LIKE THIS, J.D NOOOOOOOOO
Veronica in the musical is basically the audience watching the movie
ikr
DarkFall lol so true
DarkFall the movie is so much better I swear
* Nadia Mundt * I find the musical actually gives all the characters a more human side than the movie ever did.
did anyone acknowledge the fact that when Veronica pulled out the cigarette she looked a little sad
Fluffy Nifty sad yet amused. thats what separates movie veronica from musical veronica
Marquis de Lafyette ye
;_;
Fluffy Nifty this happened as I read it lol
Z10N Play MC
Same
I love how casually jd just walks out. Yo girl... wait foh me
Thespiafangirls yeah, after being shot... twice lmao
eh, it's just a few bullets in the torso and a missing finger, no biggie lmao
Idk if you were trying to make a pun or not but if you did, that was genius.
YO GURL KEEP IT TOGETHER
I KNEW YOU WOULD COME FAR
and then few years later, her son goes missing and goes insane with Christmas lights the end
Stranger Things :) Wynona Rider plays the mom
oHMYGOD
!!! NO !!!
Yesss
notreallyIzaah really.
I never connected it before but now I remember that scene where he lit his cigarette with her burning hand and in this scene she light her cigarette with the fire that burns his body and I think that's beautiful
That would be beautiful
AND YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW LIFE CAN BE BEAUTIFUL
@Tyleah Morales *JUST NOT TODAY*
@@flipflopflipflop5312 HEY ARE YOU OK
@@chqna GET AWAY NERD!
They definitely dont make movies like this these days.
too many movies made by committees ... and also political correctness has ruined movies too..
Diana Sanchez yes
Ethan John Ikr
This was a rare gem of a film and smarter than most movies today.
Ethan John this movie actually had a low rating so...
I guess she loved him.... to pieces.......
Victoria Pichon ayyy
AYYYYYYE
AYYYYYYYYYE
Victoria Pichon AYYYYYYYYYYY 👈😄👈
Victoria Pichon too soon man.
I am damaged, far too damaged
But you are not beyond repair
Stick around here, make things better,
Cause you beat me fair and square.
Please stand back now.
Little further.
Don't know what this thing will do.
The difference between the ending of the film and the musical really shows how we, as a society, have changed our views on "Crazy students who attack schools," and the kids who commit those crimes.
TheHarlequinHatter FUCKING THANK YOU. SO MANY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THEY PREFER THE END OF THE MUSICAL BECAUSE "its more emotional and romanticly sad" BUT THATS DANGEROUS BULLSHIT BECAUSE HES TOXIC TO THE POINT WHERE HE WONT EVEN ACCEPT THE HELP VERONICA TRIED TO OFFER BY GIVING HIM A CHANCE AT A BETTER LIFE WITH HER
I like the ending of the musical better because J.D was less intemedating with all the singing and dancing
*but*
Him in the movie scares me.
@@paprika8334 Yeah, like I feel like it was way too dull here. I do like both endings... But at least the musical had some emotion. I just wish the movie version of him was written with him having some progression too of going crazy. He just seemed the same way all the way through and it really bothered me. I like seeing progression of insanity instead of staying the same the whole time. I saw that progression in the musical. Then again, that's just how I see it. I see people liking either one more than the other. I'm one of those fans who liked both doh so yeh
@@jackskellington4198 there was no progression because he was nuts from the start
@@britknee3019 I know, it's just that personally for me I would've liked progression in his insanity instead of being the same all the way through. But that's just how I feel about it. 🤷
I honestly love both the movie version and the musical version of Heathers, but for different reasons. The movie shows how truly fucked up everything was and really hit home on the abusive relationship Veronica and JD had. JD turned out to be crazy and she ignored all of the warning signs he gave off throughout the movie. However, the musical showed that JD wasn't a complete psychopath and that he was redeemable in some ways. Veronica truly cared about him, maybe even go as far as to say she loved him. I really enjoy both versions, and the musical has some really catchy ass songs if you haven't checked it out yet.
Yes I agree I too enjoy the musical and the movie for different reasons. Like you said the Movie really shows just how toxic (and straight up abusive-) their relationship was. And the way the movie is makes it seem like JD was just ALWAYS crazy. And ugh this is gonna sound super fucked up but..I kinda liked the crazy side. Idk that’s just my opinion I’ve always liked crazy characters (Like Monica from “Market of Monsters.” It’s a good series you should check it out if you like thriller books.)
As for the musical they make JD a bit more...sympathetic the audience immediately feels for him but at the same time it doesn’t excuse his actions which is why I liked it so much. And I agree the songs are so damn catchy! But the sad part is I have “Dead Girl Walking” stuck in my head and if I sing that out loud...😬
Oh and also 60th like 😆
I honestly believe that JD was a hostage to his own greed and dark view on life and apparently became a victim of his own ways as he no longer had Veronica in his life as well as his mother. It's rather saddening if you think about it that there are people out there who feel unloved and that when they do find a source of happiness it's gone because they had as JD put it, "gross and icky feelings unable to face"
Auburn Perry You're right, I got in depression and... I know what you're talking about and I can see his character... he got emotionless because of all the pain
I have to say, this ending in the movie, JD is all like "Okay bye y'all" but in the musical, he's all like "You were all I had, but you don't love me anymore so I'll leave"
Layne Pace lmao
That's the thing. 1980 - 1990's comedy came from pain and misery, but the deaths are either random, or not taken as seriously. The musical portrays him as a less of a psychopath and seems to treat her like the light if a dark tunnel. In the original he didn't care. Humor back then included a girl having feelings for another while the other clearly doesn't care about her. In this case, Jason Dean was using Veronica to satisfy his hopes on committing a mass genocide. It's called a dark comedy show for a reason
the way she smirks oh god.
The really sad thing i think he wanted her to stop him, to prove it mattered if he died =(
funon14 but he had to die.
;-;
TBH I think that the movie version of JD deserved to die... But since I saw the musical version first, I got attached to him immediately and cried when he died. ; w ; I don't feel any attachment to the him in the movies tho-
funon14 yeah... you're right... maybe that was in his mind..
I won't say if he deserved or not to die. The only thing I'll say is that (I think) people like movie JD can't ever be happy, or at least satisfied. Musical JD could have a chance, but I don't think the movie one has.
I prefer the movie version. I like the coldness and the complete lack of emotion. It shows that Veronica was fed up with JD and him dying is the only solution and in JD shows his complete insanity and god complex he had. The musical tried to make him and their relationship way too romantic and powerful while that was not the point. (I still like a lot of songs from the musical though)
123 bu so true
765 8 THIS 👏👏👏
I feel like although both are amazing in their own right, the way the musical portrays Veronica's reactions and JD's obsessive love for her is more realistic. JD, is INSANE and some of the musicals attempts to make him more likable kinda failed. But his obsessive behavior over Veronica makes sense for his insanity and Veronica, is so much more empathetic and remorseful than JD so her wanting him to live makes total sense. She felt bad about Heather Chandler and the jocks too and she really did have romantic feelings for him, so that state of panic thinking that she can turn things around is completely human and real unlike how the movie plays it up to Veronica pleased at the death to her first love and first heartbreak.
Grace Lenore It kinda pisses me off that people like JD because he's hot, like really now. And, in my opinion they were able to make him a more likable character because he seemed more human, thus making him more relatable. And plus, how can you not like him? If you don't then...cool, but I personally felt sorry for him, seeing as he'd been through a lot and actually had feelings and suddenly just...died. But I don't know, that's your opinion.
I liked the musical because it shows that he fucked with her head enough that she still felt emotional and sad when he was killing himself with the bomb.
If not for the fact that he blows himself up, the way he was speaking implied that he planned on doing the same or worse to another school. Kinda like an evil version of the 70s Bruce Banner, instead of walking around to help people, he walks town to town to cause trouble.
He was making a joke about when they first met. He implied that veronica's stupid question at the beginning was as stupid as what he wanted to achieve. It was all meaningless.
I could be wrong though.
Crazy Larry
Ya I got that part. But seeing how J.D. also joked about killing Heather Chandler before actually doing it, it makes one wonder though.
Shanethefilmmaker h
Yeah it came full circle in fact there’s a lot of things that come full circle in this movie
okay but here's a though, instead of letting jd die why didn't Veronica just knock him out and throw the bomb out cAUSE NO ONE ELSE NEEDED TO DIE
noodle tea maybe she was to weak to do that 😞 I wish she did that though.
noodle tea it's not her musical character sorry
noodle tea because she's kind of a idiot?
Bianca Schalow true. Shit, I cared more about him though then her so........yea
Thought****
top 10 most devastating anime deaths
Beth C I love and hate you at the same time
The fact that he looks like an anime character makes it better
am I the only one who likes this scene as it is? i love how they're both so cold and distant, but for some reason you still feel that there's something,, idk what it is, maybe they do love eichother but in a very strange way. veronicas cold reaction just really fits. i wouldn't change a thing
this always makes me cryy
Penny Elizabeth I can't cry at something like this personally because I had my own real life J.D. back in high school.
@@eat_a_friggin_snickers you lucky piece of shit
@@qlexia_ ...how is that lucky?
@@zira4199 Well, JD is a very aesthetically pleasing character, personality wise... not so much.
@Eat_A_Friggin_Snickers So you mean you had a boyfriend who you committed three premeditated murders with and nearly got the school blow up?
Little did she know Veronica would grow up and have two kids Jonathan and Will Byers. She will hang up Christmas lights in September and go to another dimension with chief Jim hopper. She will go insane until she gets her boy back from the upside down.
MADIE Waffle
What does that mean?
Please enlighten me
god BECAUSE OF THIS I FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS VERONICA WTF
OMG THAT MAKES PERFECT SENCE THOUGH
Grettee Pham this takes place like 6 years after stranger things though lmao
September...
September 1st, 1989
The extreme always makes an impression. Awesome quote JD definitely proved that until the end.
I know the extreme definitely knows how to hold its audience. I totally agree with Mr JD.
I love how even after Veronica shoots him, he still acts friendly towards her.
In the musical it was way more emotional..
Yumi Xx [HIATUS] which just shows how the musical missed the entire point...
Mosquito milk True :33
Mosquito milk genuinely curious what was the point?
Mostly because JD was more romantic in the musical so people got more attached
That JD isn't the romantic, tragic teen that the musical presented him as.
In the alternate version, Veronica killed JD and strapped the bomb to her chest. Then it fades to black after she says "boom" and it shows all the characters (even the ones who died) dancing in heaven
Auburn Perry and the punch is drainer fluid!
Auburn Perry I want that version lmao
JD should'nt be in heaven
Dead Channel he actually burned in hell
No
the musical took this scene in a totally different way and sorta made the characters look more human, in a way
Rowan Jin I feel like the musical romanticized JD too much
Rowan Jin it was easier to see why Veronica actually loved him ya know. They made him less of a psychopath originally and more of one for her. They made him more of a misguided teenager who just wanted to make thingsbetter, while in the movie he's just batshit nope. Like the Joker but a teen almost? Guess that's why I love the character so much.
JD in this movie is more realistic. The JD in the musical, while sharing his charm, is less of a sociopath and more ... romanticized? I like the musical, I like the movie, but what the musical forgets is that JD isn't some angsty teenager that has a kink for bombs; he's a deranged sociopath that genuinely takes pleasure out of violence and death. This scene just goes to show that Veronica and JD were less in love and more out of it, you know? Like they were showing their true colors. JD made Veronica a better person because she realized how horrible of one he really was and how her angst teenage problems ceased to exist in comparison (wishing the Heathers died, etc., etc. then seeing it actually happen).
econaur I totally agree with what you say, but I also find, personally, that the romanticism of JD's character placed emphasis on how crazy he is. The way Veronica responds when ever he "serenades" her shows just how manipulative and mind controlling he is. The attachment that the audience has makes them question their moral code by sympathizing with a psychopath responsible for the death of multiple people; it makes the audience ponder if the character is so manipulative that you empathize with his "self-sacrifice". That's my personal opinion...I truly see it both ways though.
i just wanna thank this entire thread for politely discussing the situation in a matter they think about it instead of just going of and screaming at each other’s opinions like a lot of people in the comments 😅
//when you're that person that actually likes the movie WAY better than the musical// I mean, I really do enjoy the musical, yes, but nothing can beat the way you feel after watching this movie
ZeroBee agreed
@@0urlady0fsorr0wss Same. I love the movie way more.
I remember this movie!!
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I gotta say the musical makes this scene way better.
Kylee Beilschmidt indeed
Kylee Beilschmidt nah, but that's just a matter of opinion.
True, its way more emotional
Ik, but like?? This is p cool too, it seems less like J.D. loves Ronnie, you know?
i love the goddamn musical, it's HOLY
Personally I think that the ending is a masterpiece and not as cold and heartless as everyone thinks. JD has a choice at the end to carry out his plans of blowing up the school or killing himself, and he kills himself, I think because he realizes that ending all the lives in that school won’t take away his deep rooted childhood trauma that’s making him be this way. When he shows Veronica I think perhaps there could be hesitance in her, but not sympathy. She knows he has to die for all the pain he caused her, and all the lives he took. But I think they really connect in those last few scenes and I don’t think it’s cold at all. I think JD cared about her. I mean, after all, he went to say his final goodbyes to her. I think he does realize the pain he caused her. Why else would he show her that he was about to kill himself? Not sure how to explain it. Anyone else feel this way?
Is it weird that I shipped JD and Veronica until the very end.....?
Phoebe Sosa nope
Yes
You're not alone
nah i did too
yea especially in the “dead girl walking” song from the musical was fantastic and not to mention “seventeen” xd
When he said nobody loved him a few scenes back I started to cry
he looks like a boy at my school...like dead on looks like him
ItsTypicalGrace lol
Samantha z RUN
send him to me
oh no
Samantha z Would you say that...blew you away?
You can see Veronica trying to hold back tears, proving that a part of her still loved him
looks like team rockets blasting off again
HAAAHJQKSNZHAAJJAHZZZ
Veronica: Meowth that’s right
This is what killed the dinosaurs darling
I think it'd be nice if he didn't set off the bomb because imagine.
Veronica talks him out of it, gets him to a hospital. J.D. gets help, tries to become a better person. Mabye they become seperated, and if they did:
One day Veronica is just living her life like normal, and one day a new neighbor moves in. She doesn't go and greet him or anything, but mabye a few days later the neighbor comes and knocks on the door. When she opens it she sees an older J.D. and all he says is, " Wanna go get a slushie?"
Napstablook No, more likely he'd try to murder more people, because he's a deranged monster who just likes to kill people.
Napstablook okay but that would stretch out the movie way more longer than it already was and that kinda seems cheesy, romanticized, unrealistic especially since Jason doesn't love Veronica. He was manipulating her into thinking he loved her when really he was just using her to get revenge, so this plot would just bring everything back to square one
It was an idea, it didn't have to be in the movie. Hell yeah it was cheesy, because I'm cheesy. But it didn't really have to be romantic or anything, just imagine a dude you thought loved you showed up on your door step. She'd be pissed, but it's always nice to see someone change for the better in my opinion. It's just the way I am.
Napstablook whoops sorry I bet my comment came off as rude and defensive it really wants w
Meant to go like that :/
You're fine! You put reason into it, I like it when you have a reason. I know it wasn't supposed to be like that, so that's what fanfiction is for!
I love both the movie and the musical, but they really feel like completely different stories. I love how the movie portrays them as two strong personalities locked in a power struggle. Veronica doesn't have any strong values at first, she's disgusted by the bullying and fakes but still joins in. It's only when fighting other strong personalities like Heather Chandler and JD that she finds her own strength. JD is both attracted to and jealous of Veronica's own power, and tries to dominate her whenever she gets out from under his thumb. This ending is him finally admitting that she beat him at his own game.
Yeah, it's really really unhealthy to like someone like JD but, it was inevitable. An attractive, witty, smart, but kinda insane boy who looks cool doing literally everything. You can't have a character like that and not expect people to swoon.
What do you think was better: the gesture of pulling out an unlit cigarette or the line 'say hi to God'? I think the film did it better personally.
Horace the Cheese I love the musical so much but the movie was better. the musical she gives him a lot of weird chances even though he's a psychopath stalker. In the movie she's just done with his shit
Yoitsjai I agree! I actually saw the musical first and I love it too but the Veronica in this is just better - I like her as a character more and it feels clearer JD is a literal psychopath, as it should.
i actually really like the idea of the lines "our love is god" and "say hi to god" in the movie. maybe not in the same context as they were in the musical, but it could had been a good tool to show jd being manipulative. they could have had veronica and jd repeating "our love is god" back and forth to each other throughout the movie (usually after they do some bad shit like kill someone, jd always saying it first, lowkey pressuring veronica into saying it too so she thinks she loves him back). then at the end, his last words are "our love is god", but she replies, "say hi to god," in the most dry, sarcastic manner so it represents that their love is dead.
@@Homeownerassociation69 SHE WAS MANIPULATEDDDDDDDD
@@glueinmyveins while smoking her cigarette
Calm down about that movie and the musical, I think they both made different points. Musical JD is more likable as a character so more people sympathize with him. I don't think he was necessarily in love with Veronica, but wanted the idea. The idea of everything being beautiful, and a place to live in. Somebody who genuinely cared for other people, and didn't ridicule him. Movie JD is much more manipulative and not made out to be as much of a likable character. I think both of them have a charm though. A clever wit and words that make you go along with the plan. That's the point. JD is the antihero, he can't win. It's a moral compass. But that small part of you wishes it was different. In the end no other ending would be justified. JD is a killer. But he is a complex character. That's what makes him interesting. The way he was presented in the musical is very different than the movie. The ending is still essentially the same, he *CAN'T* be with Veronica. He got what he deserved. I don't think it's as much the musicals fault of romanticizing JD as it is the fandom's fault.
And it could be fair to say that he didn't love Veronica and Veronica didn't love him. It's just they wanted something.
JD is still manipulative, and a psycho.
You say psycho like it's a bad thing
THANK GOD SOMEBODY SAID IT. I'm really pissed off with people arguing " ThE mOvIe iS bEttEr" "nO tHe mUsIcAl iS bEttEr" I mean you guys can have ur own opinions but you don't have to shit on the different version of Heathers
@@asias4463 because it IS bad thing
I mug Yes, but that doesn't excuse him killing 3 people, abusing Veronica, and attempting a mass genocide on all the students in the school. It shouldn't matter how hot and psychotic he might be. He should be punished.
@@pickles4613 no shit sherlock, we're not trying to say he was good, we're saying he had realistic motivations.
I might be biased but I don't like this scene simply because there's no "I am damaged" song. And because in the musical Veronica doesn't want JD to kill himself but the movie one feels completely OK with it (which is totally reasonable I just think the musical ending is more emotional)
yep
Drew DeKeyrel
The Movie is the original. Cannonly, JD isnt some yandere. He doesnt love Veronica. He sees her as an object. A possession.
And tbh...you people going all over Movie posts screeching that the Musical was better is fucking annoying.
Just Using This For TH-cam I know this was the original I just said that I like the musical much better.
Drew DeKeyrel The musical is about hope and changing thing to make them better. The movie is an exaggeration of highschool in American society. It doesn't have the ending, "we can be beautiful" moral. It's more of a,"we're fucked up. society is fuck up moral." Therefore it is less emotional because the characters don't necessarily believe in a better reality waiting to be discovered. They're more in the now.
Nova Gray Exactly. Heathers was social commentary about how the media was sensationalizing teenage suicide in the 1980s.
So basically, JD is like one of those anime girls who would kill for the one's they love the most...
The BOOS Pug nah jd doesn't love veronica here, in this movie he doesn't give a fuck if he explodes into tiny little jd pieces
The BOOS Pug They're are called Yanderes, my friend
The BOOS Pug nope, in the movie he didn't give a crap about Veronica he only used her to kill people because he wanted too
i'm pretty sure he does love her, it's just that he can't express emotions. and he doesn't kill for fun, he kills because he thinks he's making the world a better place.
Himawari Person ok, I'll give you the second part because jd did THINK he was making the world a better place, but in the movie he did NOT love Veronica. Anyone can see that. In the musical,however, he did love her. J.D through the whole movie was just using her and didn't really care about her. He only started respecting Veronica after she shot him.
Conspiracy Theory-
When Veronica bit JD in the beginning of the movie she gave him rabies and he slowly went into insanity
lol kill me
Katy Pharrel 😂😂😂
If only movies were still this good
Lets see how I'm managing to find connections between everything I watch.
Watches stranger things.
Enjoys.
Meets Friend.
Friend likes heathers: the musical
Watches.
Enjoys.
Finds out Heathers: the musical is based off the movie
Watches.
Enjoys.
Finds out about Mr. Robot.
Watches.
Enjoys.
Finds out Christian Slater was in Mr Robot and Heathers.
Freaks out.
Finds out Winona Ryder was in Stranger Things, Heathers, and Beetlejuice.
Freaks out.
Friend is also friends with another friend of mine.
Freaks out.
Kill me.
Did you watch Friends? She was also in one episode
R.I.P JD
Rest in pieces
lex he deserved to die
Rest in pepperoni
@@anunexpectedname6609 no he didn't
If they didnt cast a hot actor for J.D everyone would probably hate him lol
True
I really prefer this ending more than the musical's because if I was Veronica I wouldn't care as much either. She knew he would do something like that if he didn't win. And he probably would've let himself blow up too I'm the movie as well. Either way I prefer the ending of the movie but I prefer Martha of the musical so I guess it evens out in my opinion
The Musical ruined this by making everyone "sweet angelic babies who are just misunderstood and damaged uwu" when the entire point is that it's horrible people doing horrible things to other horrible people
Matt Trulock the music was good but yeah i get your point.i think it went down hill once JD came out.still better than the fucking reboot
Dude finally someone understands!
Matt Trulock I think they just didn’t make JD a cold blooded killer. They gave him depth and showed that he would really trade his life for Veronica. It was more romantic, yes, but I do not believe that they made everyone “sweet angelic babies who are just misunderstood and damaged uwu”. They probably even made H. Chandler more horrible and less humane by not having her raped by college boys and gave her self confidence that when the movie made her have very, very little self confidence. H. Duke still had bulimia but it is less pronounced in the musical.
if you really saw the musical and thought that’s what they were going for your perception of human behavior is extremely flawed
But for me, the musical makes more sense, movie JD is straight up evil, musical JD is like idk? He lost everything, his mom is the only person he cares about, he also have depression btw. Anyways, when he met Veronica, she cares about him, unlike everyone, so JD would do everything to make her happy, musical JD shows that he is just a broken kid, by the end of the musical, JD realized his mistake and redeem himself by blowing himself up
“Power I didnt think you hhadd…” You could really feel the pain in his words.
I like the movies version of JD's death, it leaves you with suspense and it's super twisted and dark like the character himself, it's not cheesy like the play, c'mon be honest would a character like JD really go holding his ex girlfriend and saying how he worships her or would he go strapped to a bomb smiling?
Y E S
Veronica in the musical was like “NOOOOOOOO JD NOT THIS WAYYYYY” and Veronica in the movie is like “light my cigarette”
Though I love the musical, I definitely think the film portrayed the characters in a more corrupted and interesting light. JD always thought he was doing everything right, he believed that society was so much better with him killing away anyone who lay a hand on him, Veronica and anyone else. He knew exactly how to control and manipulate Veronica even till the end. The musical portrays a more romantic and funny side to JD and while I love that, I think he much suits an antagonist who prides himself with the death of others who wrong him. I love both the musical and the movie but the movie definitely portrays the characters better.
I prefer the movie WAY more than the musical... Maybe because i saw the movie fist idk... But the musical romanticises their relationship too much, like in the movie JD had an infatuation with Veronica, but he didn't show as much emotion towards her as he did in the musical, the musical makes it out to seem as if they were in love or "could've been" in love but in all reality JD is a sociopath who most definitely cannot feel love like the rest of us. The relationship was doomed from the start, there was no hope. JD never actually loved Veronica, did Veronica love him? Maybe? But in the musical she also had wayyy too many feelings towards him, in the movie she was smarter and seemed to be able to grasp that everything in her teenage years was just hormone fueled angst, and that their thing wasn't love, They were just teenagers messing around, but then it got serious as people started dying, and she felt trapped. In the musical it seems as if she's fine with this situation in 'Our love is God' but really she was never fine with it. Shes glad that he dies because she is then freed from him and the troubles that he caused her. It was not a romance as the musical made it seem. The movie was more realistic.
I think in the end, JD did love veronica in his own way. Maybe not really since he was a psychopath, but I think he "fell in love" with the idea that veronica understands him so much and that they're so alike and that no one else understands. Since he doesn't exactly have a real discerning for right and wrong, it would be extremely difficult to say that JD loved veronica because it'd be hard to figure out his exact definition of love. But he seemed to love his mother very much, which could show he had feelings?
Anyways, I like this scene for the sole reason of veronica's reaction: she doesn't have one. She couldn't care less. Which means, if you think about it, did the murders, that she and JD commited, get to her head? Because regardless of how awful Kurt, Ram, and Heather C were, a life is still a life, and a human who understood that concept would have some sort of regret or feel remorse in some form for a life that's gone. But she didn't. And I love that concept. The musical was very emotional with the death, which was the way that a normal veronica would have reacted, but the movie just further shines light on the fact that veronica is not normal at all. I love both though. Musical and Movie. It's nice to see different interpretations of these characters.
I love the movie and the musical for different reasons, the musical is (to me at least) more relatable and explains how Veronica ended up a heather and explains her more as a victim then a villain it also makes jd seem like less of a prick the movie however makes jd crazy and makes it seem like Veronica knows what she is doing, it is more about wanting love but also vengeance movie Veronica was smart and wanted to live in the edge she saw the worst in most things musical Veronica cared deeply about everyone at her school and wasn't as strong she was motivated by love and friendship. These two characters are the same person but I don't find them comparable
Ashley Paige I
To me, this one makes me more sad than the musical death. Mostly because of Veronica’s emotionless reaction. JD loved her, but she realized he was a monster, not loving him back, even in his death.
The sequel was going to involve Winona Ryder seeing him in her head
Holy frick veronica just holding her cigarette staring at the remains of JD
*_holy hell_*
I love how at the end Veronica had a single tear rolling down her cheek slowly
They, thankfully, shelved the plans for a sequel. If only more potentially horrible followups could be avoided.
Corey R. Scales like the musical?
Like the new remake?
i never liked jd. probably because i was watching it with someone who had seen it before and said "thats the psychopath" when he appeared for the first time
Anna Nyoom and the irony is he wasn't even a psychopath.
My cousin did it to me when I was a kid watching frozen for the first time. That bitch.
He is not a psychopath he is a sociopath
Fun fact: I haven’t watched heathers and I don’t know the slightest about it and have no clue how I got here. All I know is that drama is about to go down, and that when you write “Fun fact”, people will read the whole comment.
Your profile picture makes it 10 times better
It’s sad that he dies (because he’s hot) but I think this movie has a really nice ending. Most stories, you assume the main character won’t die. They’ll all live happily ever after. It’s nice to see a change where the person who should die, does actually die
People really romanticize this situation way more than they need too. We need to remember this was NOT a healthy, loving relationship. It was pure manipulation, lies, and business I would say on JD's part.
I'd say the movie represents that it's not really about their relationship well.
I think the only reason people "romanticize" this is because of the musical. The musical made you sympathise and/or relate to JD, especially in the song "Freeze Your Brain".
*Veronica watches her boyfriend about to blow up*
Veronica: **casually sticks cigar in mouth**
I love how chill Veronica was about it
Lmao the way she just LITS her FUCKING CIGARETTE with his EXPLODING BODY and then takes a casual drag before walking away like "cool bye bitch" im WHEEZING-
Heather Duke: "Veronica, you look like Hell!"
My Friends:JD is hot
Me: JD is a psychopath.
but he's a hot psychopath
xiomara luque JD is sociopath...hot sociopath🔪❤️
He's a sociopath
*cough* Sociopath *cough*
"Hope you miss me, wish you'd kiss me, then you'd know I worship youuuuu" -JD, probably
"I'd trade my life for yours"
Moonlight Heartless OUR LOVE IS GONE
cat maery _literally_
Why do I have Dead Girl Walking stuck in my head??? And also Blue, idk why.
@@svccubuspup And once I disappear
What an "explosive" ending
Cream Soda should i be disappointed or happy
I love how veronica looks so calm when JD about to blow up himself.
"You're tearing me apart, Veronica!"
Oh man! This guy's about to kill himself in front me!
*causally pops cigarette into mouth*
bah biatch
Musical veronica: J.D NOO
movie veronica: haha boyfriend go brr
I don't care how crazy JD was I still loved him, and I will always love him!
The benefit of being with the villain rather than the hero is that the hero would sacrifice you to save the world....... The villain would sacrifice the world.. To save you.
“My date for the pep rally kinda blew me off”
So I was wondering....if you weren't doing anything tonight.... maybe we could pop some jiffy pop? Rent a video? Something with a happy ending....
In the musical you cry when he deads but in here you're like "bye bye physchopath!!!
Musical: *JD accepts defeat and decides blow himself up.*
Veronica: No! Don't do this!😭
Movie: *JD accepts defeat and decides to blow himself up*
Veronica: Sweet! Thanks so much for this. I forgot my lighter.
then: Heather's
now: the emoji movie
Now, this is how you write good female characters! Not the Strong Female Character tropes that you see these days in movies!
one of the most tragic but lifesaving movie redemptions.
He didn't need to die, he needed help, like professional help. That's what made it sad, he is a psychopath but you can tell he was just messed up. Of course it does not excuse his actions, but his life could've turned out better. This sounds stupid, but do you know what I mean?
If you comment please do constructive criticism, I'm trying to have an open mind.
saraoic he killed people he deserved to die
tinysaro he’s sociopath...
I get what you're saying; if he's a sociopath, it's not necessarily entirely his fault that he's like that, because his brain cannot process the difference between right and wrong. And yeah, he killed people but it's because there's something wrong with his brain and he couldn't stop himself if he tried.
I read on the wiki that Christian Slater (the actor who played JD for anyone who didn’t know) confirmed that JD didn’t die at the end of the movie
I personally feel like the movie version is more emotional than the musical. They’re two different types of emotions, that’s all. The way veronica pulls out a cigarette for JD to light by blowing himself up, and her not saying a word throughout it, makes it so emotionally intense in my opinion.
To me its the premise or theme of a movie that should dictate what the charecters will or will not do, in this case the ending make sense for this particular premise, you can still see veronica crying in the film but shes still holding her tears because she wants to be strong, that's emotional to me just as the musical is but it's just different kind of emotional and I personally think the movie is better structured and sticks to its premise way better, some subtle scenes like facial expressions fly over people's heads, this scene gives you more hints of what they feel instead of just having a manipulative scene, that's more interesting to me
when I first watched the movie I did NOT see this coming, I was actually a little sad to see it happen to such an interesting character. J.D. makes the plot of the story so much more intriguing and fun to watch. Great film!!
Winona Ryder will always be the best Veronica Sawyer. She's a badass queen, the "sherrif" as she calls herself in the end. One of the best films I've watch.
I never seen this movie, but my favorite part of J.D.s death scene in this clip is when it shows an aerial view of Veronica as she folds her arms while patiently waiting for the bomb to explode.
I thought he was gonna ask if she wanted to go for a slushy😂
it’s wild to me that this video is 15 years old on yt
0:27 this lime bas always stuck with me. And may well be my favorite line in all of cinema history
Not gonna lie, I kinda feel bad for JD. He might be the antagonist and crazy psychotic, but he's basically also the definition of a scary childhood, let me go down my list: He was neglected by his father, he witnessed his mother dying, and he before coming to sherwood Ohio, who knows how many times JD has had to move, plus at Westerberg, he gets bullied and there's always a part of saying "Well, he's not wrong." JD might be the antagonist but I don't think he deserved to suffer through his childhood, if anything his dad is the real antagonist, if he didn't neglect his own son, JD wouldn't be a murderer. JD has gone through a lot of scary, devastating, and sad times, if you ask me he didn't deserve suffering when he was a child besides look what happened to his hand, and in the end, he basically sacrifices himself so the school wouldn't blow up. He may be a murderer but its actually theoried that he had schizophrenia ao i dont blame him. Anyone else agree?
She used his pain to light her cigarette like he did
Now im looking at this scene second time and it had me to realize she is sad in this scene and holding tears back, winona ryders face expresions make me confused in the car when the argued i was thinking that she was smiling to him lol