recentley hoped on war thunder in my cheifton, and got frontal anialated by some inter-diamentional goofery from the 40mm sap, and instantley rage quit
The radar is easy to compensate for and the proxy rounds are extremely accurate. I've never had an issue taking down things in that beast and I love it for being such a sneaky bastard. Only if it had its previous pen I would be less afraid of other tanks, but as seen in the video it can still eek out those generous pens and overpressures with how much ammo it has.
The most depressing 'non-pen' situation I've ever had was hitting an M50 with the HE from a British 17-pounder *twice* and it doing absolutely nothing.
M50 as in the Super Sherman and was it the front armor? It doesn't sound that crazy since HE rounds suck at penetrating armor compared to solid AP. EDIT: Unless he meant the M50 Ontos, in which case that makes zero sense.
Probably a little out of left field, but can I just say a HUGE "Thank You" for, for in the first few seconds of the video when you're making a humorous shot at the M247, *NOT USING* AI-upscaled/AI-frame-generated historical footage of that factory floor? I see blob-like and randomly morphing video so often now with historical footage that I feel like it deserves some thanks so that it is known that it is encouraged!
since you said the ratel 90 wasn't bad, you should play the objectively awful ratel version; the ratel 20. it has the same bad mobility as the 90, but with the same weapons as the marder IFV, which doesn't sound bad at first, until you realise you're expected to fight king tigers and jumbo pershings with 7 slow to reload MILANs and an autocannon that can't even pen a panther's side (day 5)
A 40 year old hull using 50 year old guns firing cutting edge munitions guided by a radar meant to be in the air. What do you mean it wasn't a smashing success?!
"In 1982 I participated in both cooperative and non-cooperative tests at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland, flying an Air Force CH-3E helicopter against a Sergeant York. I would have been dead many times over had it been shooting live rounds at us instead of just video. The Sergeant York was the front-runner in a program intended to provide the Army with a sorely needed “division air defense” (DIVAD) weapon system. It was based on a novel concept: re-purposing M48 Patton tank chassis’ with a new turret incorporating twin Swedish Bofors 40mm cannons and two radar systems - one for area surveillance (the rectangular antenna) and one for targeting (the conical antenna, an off-the-shelf application of the F-16′s radar). (Compare the picture below with that of the Sergeant York to see how this adaptation worked.) A firing control system integrated the two radars, with on-board software prioritizing targets based on the threat they were assessed to pose to the system itself. (For the late ’70s /early ’80s, this was cosmic.) If the operator elected to allow the system to engage targets hands-off, it would slew the turret around at a nauseatingly rapid rate, taking on each in turn automatically. On the next-to-last day of the test, my aircraft was joined by an Army AH-1 Cobra and OH-58 Kiowa and two Air Force A-10s. My H-3 was part of the test profile because its radar signature was essentially the same as that of an Mi-24 HIND assault helicopter of the day, which was heavily armed with both anti-tank missiles and rockets. We all converged on it simultaneously from about 6000 meters. My aircraft was the first to die, followed by the two A-10s, then the Cobra, and finally the Kiowa. It took less than 15 seconds to put plenty of hypothetical rounds into each of us. I spent a depressing amount of that week watching myself get tracked and killed on video. Trying to “mask” behind anything other than rising terrain simply didn’t work; the DIVAD radar got a nice Doppler return off my rotor system if any part of it was within its line of sight, and it burned right through trees just fine. I couldn’t outrun or out-maneuver it laterally; when I moved, it tracked me. I left feeling pretty convinced that it was the Next Big Thing, especially since I’d come into the test pretty cocky thanks to having had a lot of (successful) exercise experience against current Army air defense systems. So, what happened to the program itself? I think it was a combination of factors. First, the off-the-shelf concept was cool as far as it went, but the Patton design already was a quarter-century old; the DIVAD was awfully slow compared with the M1 Abrams tanks it was supposed to protect. It would have had a lot of trouble keeping up with the pack. Second, The Atlantic Monthly published a really nasty article (bordering on a hatchet job) purporting to show the program was a complete failure and a ruinous waste of money. One of its most impressive bits of propaganda was an anecdote about a test where the system - on full automatic - took aim at a nearby trailer full of monitoring equipment. Paraphrasing, “It tracked and killed an exhaust fan,” chortled the author. (See The Gun That Shoots Fans for a recounting of this.) Yeah, it did. It was designed to look for things that rotate (like helicopter main rotor systems) and prioritize them for prompt destruction. If any bad guys were on the battlefield in vehicles with unshrouded exhaust fans, they might have been blown away rather comprehensively. (My understanding at the time was that said fan was part of a rest room in one of the support vehicles and not a “latrine,” but why mess up a good narrative, right?) To my knowledge, neither ventilated latrines nor RVs full of recording devices are part of a typical Army unit’s table of allowance, so I really doubt there was much of a fratricide threat there. However, the bottom line was that this particular piece of partisan reporting beat the crap out of a program that I believe the Army needed, but already was facing a few developmental issues, and helped hasten its cancellation. (The New York Times opinion piece linked to above was equally laden with innuendo and assumptions. It made a fair point about possible anti-radiation attacks it might have invited… but there are radars on every battlefield, and there are means of controlling emissions. It compared a late-Fifties era Soviet system - the ZSU-23-4 - with one fully twenty years newer in design. It asserted that it couldn’t hit fixed-wing aircraft, which to my mind and personal observation was arrant nonsense. The only issue it raised that I agree with was possible NATO compatibility problems with the unique 40mm caliber shells the Sergeant York’s guns fired. Funny - the Times pontificated that it wouldn’t be cancelled, too. Oops.) Third, the hydraulics that were used in the prototype were a 3000 psi system that really couldn’t handle the weight of the turret in its Awesome Hosing Things mode. One of the only times I actually got a score on the system was when I cheated; I deliberately exploited that vulnerability. I flew straight toward the system (which would have blown us out of the sky about twenty times over had I tried to do so for real) until directly over it, then tried to defeat the system from above. If memory serves, the system specifications called for the guns to elevate to more than 85 degrees if something was coming up and over; it then would lower them quickly, slew the turret 180 degrees around, and raise the guns again to re-engage. It was supposed to be able to do that in perhaps ten seconds (but I’m here to tell you it did it a lot faster than that). So, I had my flight engineer tell me the moment the guns dropped, at which point I did a course reversal maneuver to try to catch it pointed the wrong way. What the video later showed was: Helicopter flies over. Traverse/re-acquire movement starts. Helicopter initiated hammerhead turn (gorgeous, if I say so myself). Guns started to elevate to re-engage. Clunk. Guns fall helplessly down; DIVAD crew uses bad language. The hydraulics hadn’t been able to support the multiple close-on, consecutive demands of movement in multiple axes and failed. Like I said, I cheated. The Army and the contractors already knew about this problem and were going to fit out production models with a 5000 psi system. That might have had some survivability issues of its own, but the Army was perfectly happy that we’d done what we did - it proved the test wasn’t rigged and underscored the need for the production change. Finally, the Army itself honestly appraised the system based on its progress (and lack of progress) versus their requirements. Wikipedia provides a passage that encapsulates this end-game well: “The M247 OT&E Director, Jack Krings, stated the tests showed, ‘...the SGT YORK was not operationally effective in adequately protecting friendly forces during simulated combat, even though its inherent capabilities provided improvement over the current [General Electric] Vulcan gun system. The SGT YORK was not operationally suitable because of its low availability during the tests.’ ” I guess I’m forced to conclude that the Sergeant York was a really good concept with some definite developmental flaws - some recognized and being dealt with, perhaps one or two that would have made it less than fully effective in its intended role - that was expensive enough for bad PR to help bring it down before it fully matured. The Army was under a lot of political pressure to get it fielded, but to their credit they decided not to potentially throw good money after bad. On balance, a lot of the contemporaneous criticisms mounted against the M247 really don’t hold up very well over time. Short-range air defense currently is provided by the latest generation of the AN/MPQ-64F1 Improved Sentinel system. Radar emitting on the battlefield? Check. Target prioritization capabilities? Check. Towed (which equals “slow”) versus self-propelled? Check. I’m glad we never wound up in the position of needing it but not having it. My personal judgment was and is that it probably could have wound up a heck of a lot more capable and useful than its developmental history might suggest, but its cancellation probably was justified given other acquisition priorities at the time. Bottom line: I repeatedly flew a helicopter against it over the course of many hours of testing, including coming at it as unpredictably as I knew how, and it cleaned my clock pretty much every time." -Tom Ferrier
How close did it get to being fielded? There were people in the U.S. military, career officers at the Air Defense School at Ft. Bliss at the time, who swore by the Sgt. York and just assumed that the military would eventually field it. I was told that there were officers several classes ahead of me that went through the Air Defense School that received a briefing on it and were expecting to be assigned to it once production started and the Army started phasing out the Vulcan. By the time I showed up though, there was nothing to be found regarding the Sgt. York except the memories of the people who were assigned to Ft. Bliss. We were however briefed on the new Patriot System that was still in the early stages of being fielded in active duty units, replacing the Hawk. You will never see the Patriot system in the game. It would be unfair. lol
@@TheTeehee11111it's the Bofors L/70, it's a standard NATO gun and there's even one with an ammunition data link available for programmable airburst rounds.
Whats absolutely hilarious about this thing besides being a sky broom that slays once you get used to it. If you flank a T series tank (t64, t72, etc) they have a small section of there side at the bottom that is 20mm thick and this thing DELETES them if you get a round or 2 in.
or you could gaijin by aiming at the top of their engine deck (from side, close range, like the edge top edge of the side). it """works""" on t55's not consistant at all, but remember when panicking and pray for them having a 500% booster
Fun fact: the Army fielded an SPAA based on the Bradley, it was called the M6 Linebacker. It’s a regular Bradley but instead of a TOW launcher it carried four Stingers in a pod.
Shame Stingers are super nerfed because the dev can't fathom that western MANPADS can be better than the Igla. One would say Gaijin is biased in favor of Russia.If only there was a term for this.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 Stingers aren't nerfed its just people expect more from them then what stingers are actually capable of as they have rather short range like all manpads.
@@DeathlordSlavik "Stingers aren't nerfed its just people expect more from them then what stingers are actually capable of as they have rather short range like all manpads." They are nerfed, just for starters in game they are only capable of pulling 13gs, actual military documents state it is 20-22gs. Furthermore the in game lock on range against helicopters is a joke, the IR/UV seekers should be capable of locking onto them much further then they can in game, that was in fact another reason they even had UV.
@@aflyingcowboy31 No as the actual documents refer to the acceleration Gs not the turning Gs which are different. On top of this the amount of Gs the missile can endure in a turn while maintaining lock is actually lower then what the missile is actually capable of turning. No stingers had the UV seeker to give them better resilience to flares not for better locking of helicopters. As for the in game locking all AA suffer not just those with stingers.
@@DeathlordSlavik "No as the actual documents refer to the acceleration Gs not the turning Gs which are different" You do know lateral acceleration refers to how well a missile (or any moving object) can turn or manoeuvre right? Specifically, it's the acceleration acting perpendicular to the direction of travel, which determines how quickly the missile can change its direction. The British documents for instance are explicit, the lateral acceleration for the Stingers is 20gs, i.e. in game that means it should have a max g-load of 20gs i.e. Max g-load is actually referring to lateral acceleration. So no, it wasn't and you have no clue what you are talking about. "No stingers had the UV seeker to give them better resilience to flares not for better locking of helicopters." This statement further proves you have no clue what you are talking about.
Day 28 of telling spookston to play the IT1. its a ATGM launcher on the t62 chassis, it has decent-ish mobility, the turret is squished. You can hide behind cover and shoot ATGM over the cover like a gremlin and you overpressure tanks (tho it can be rare, but it does happen without you realizing) and its MG is really werid. Also it has a cool reload animation.
this bad boy is the reason I got my first nuke 2 weeks ago and I had 7 ground kills just with this. I think the biggest advantage york got against other tanks is how much they underestimate you and die out of some random overpressure magic
9:43 as an actual italian (like from Italy, not like an average American that just say "oh the cousin of the best friend of my uncle is italian so I'm italian") I have to say one thing: the first pronunciation you did was way closer to the actual one than the second one.
wow you're an italian? like from italy? that's so unique and special of you. thanks for elaborating that you're not fake, because you're so real. since you're the real deal can you explain why so many italians are violent child diddlers? is that a cultural thing or something?
This thing in AB is a serious menace:the shells can travel up to 4km,and most planes spawn at 4km!So you wait for them to pop up,turn the turret at ludicrous speed,F+ALT to lock on,2-3 bursts of M822 and they're done for.I have thousands of air kills and a surpising amount of ground kills with this thing and i love it so much Also SPOOKSTON CONFIRMED ITALIAN E ANNAMOOOOOOO
Dear Spookston, recently I had a colonoscopy and the prep was hell and I would always watch your videos during the prep and that was the only thing carrying me through it and I would watch your vids right before the procedure in the hospital. Thank you very much
I read from a person who did testing on the york and it was great actually in the mock tests the pilot failed to evade it but the pilot did mention they did find a blindspot more or less and even that was going to be fixed in the updated software the test were using a slightly dated version of it. So from the ppl who actually were there testing the york it was pretty amazing for its time and worked for at least one account.
Something I'm surprised that no one else knows is that the only guns/turrets that are visibly stabilized are the ones on your vehicle only, no one else's. This means that the turrets can be way off center for you when you shoot someone else's track off at high speeds, etc. This leads to the entire thing of people claiming "turret desync" and things like that when in reality it's just old code that a Gaijin dev hasn't bothered changing. Something else about the stabilizers is that they don't actually "stabilize", they just snap your gun (or whatever you're using) to the crosshair and remove the acceleration/waviness of turret/gun movements from non-stabilized turrets. This also means that stabilized turrets technically move faster since they don't need wait to accelerate because instead they're instantly at their full speed. Thank you for being here at my TED talk.
TH-cam did the funny glitch so im going to say it again, Spooksto you need to play the french menace known as the AMX M4 and destroy non french tanks with its autoloading 90mm
The York not getting AP is just a long track of American getting neglected in the AA tree. Though at least now we're getting the Skink and one other AA
@@aiedenoldstien9751 Nah, put down your [giving gaijin credit] card before it gives you "be happy" Soviet AIDS. They purposely did it like this out of laziness and spite, and that is not okay. The Chaffee is 50cals only, which would be okay to replace the forever use of M16 if it wasn't the only thing shoved in there and they unnerfed the belts. The Skink is being put there in place of full US vehicles that should be; it is essentially an excuse to not add the others while giving you a nerf bat. The T85E1 should be in the game, because it can be put lower than the Skink by a lot while having 20mm's and enough mobility. The Bofors M3 (T36) could go where the Skink is.
@@aiedenoldstien9751 yes, but it is like they werent there... why would you use any of them when realistically you can only engage planes within a km (or more likely like 700m) while you do little to no damage, while they can just 1shot you with cannons or miss you with a rocket/bomb and you are done... even the best SPAAs will get outranged by pretty much every CAS in the game, very often by multiple BR lower CAS too, and this is also true in top tier. and gaijin will only nerf SPAAs even further while buffing CAS even more, since CAS players are so utterly bad that they still can barely do anything with their purposefully OP class
Attempt number i'm guessing 5 cuz i missed a few videos but anyway, to get spooks to just play one of these: CV90120, Lvkv 9040C, Pbv 302 Bill, Swedish T 80 U, Any leclerc, M36 Slugger/Jackson and the WMA 301, and the MBT-70. And for something for low tier, the D2 or the french crusader specifically because baguettes are better than crumpets.... also play Ground Arcade or Ground Sim for a video, it would make people like me who only play either arcade or sim very happy, specially if said video features swedish vehicles. Or something with eye tracker cuz yes.
4:12 me watching spookston call the boxer garbage after spending the last two weeks of my life slaving my soul away to the snail, 8 hours a day in front of the computer trying to grind the event for it:
So from my experience the proxy round is far better than the AP round for anti tank role, I guess the barrage of explosive filler from the twin bofors overpresures tanks in certain areas, I've managed to frontally kill Turms in that way by hitting the driver's port.
From what I read (US Army manual TM 43-0001-28-3 CHG-11) there was no 40mm AP round adopted for the SGT York. They do list a 40mm AP round, but these are for the older L60 Bofors as the M1, M2, and Mk 1. It does list an inert dummy (M851), proximity (M822), contact fuze with delay (M811), and practice (M813), and specifically mentions these as "FOR SGT YORK". The M811 SAP round's use according to the manual is "...against low-flying aircraft and also ground targets." As much as I hate to say it, Gaijin did model the ammunition correctly somewhat.
Since you mentioned the Bradley hull and Stinger pods, there was the M6 Linebacker. Though that still had the same gun as a Bradley, it got a four tube Stinger launcher. I remember hearing that the main issue it had was the low elevation on the Stingers themselves. No clue if it had proxy rounds or such.
Reminder that the York was better back then. It may have had tracers back then but it had solid AP which could side pen most targets quite well. The proxies used to have tracers but were changed to not have tracers some time around when the York was made absolutely busted with overpressure stacking. It also used to have a single 560 round belt: very long trigger time for a decently effective AA. It was also 8.3, then raised up to 8.7 and now 9.0. Now, it can't even carry 2 of any non-default belts, meaning the effective ammo capacity for the proxies has been halved and the SAP usually quite bruh to use against most ground targets, tho hilarious when it kills.
I recently got to see a Sergeant York in person and they are so much bigger than I thought, absolute behemoth. Anyway, once more asking for a video on the LVT-4/40
Ive been trying to stock grind this thing lately and it is painful. No proxy, no mobility upgrades and not even a laser rangefinder. I truly hate this vehicle
Most western MBTs have 30-35mm of side armor, you can glitch through the turret face of a leo 1, and T series tanks have a little bit of the floor that's curved up that you can pen.
F3H-2 was grossly underpowered but was the predecessor to the F4 Phantom. Grandfather flew those as well as the F9F family, and he said the Demon was a significant upgrade to the 9Fs.
Day 133 You should play a tank with hydropneumatic suspension (recommend the MBT-70) But the catch is you have to drop the suspension as low as it can go for the whole match.
The prox-fuse on this thing is no joke, i thought the york was okay-ish as a AA, then i finally got the prox-fuse and now i just wipe the Airspace when i spawn in it.
5:48 I felt the pain seeing this a lot of people in this game don't look at their minimap like in that one match I went into the ennemy spawn and hid in a corner but I was marked on the map because of the spawn and ennemies spawning didn't see me and got caught off guard
You should totally play the Turan III, it's got a great cannon with some great ammunition (I love penning a T-34 through its front plate because it charged me and thought it was invincible), and its like the only non-lend-lease/captured Italian medium tank that doesn't get one shot that I've experienced in the early BRs
M247s HE-VT shells stack overpressure and can kill ridiculously armored vehicles if you shoot the face of a tank for a second or two, it also blinds the guy and you get the second or two to just ignore its armor in most cases
Day 16 of asking spookston to play the marder A1: its a fun light tank with 4 milan missiles and a 20mm sprayer to shake off CAS and a little machinegun to cover your back and it's the vehicle oddBawZ used for his first nuke
Idk if it still is, but the Sgt York's AP was actually changed at one point to be SAPHE. Which means it can overpressure, though it's wildly inconsistent given the caliber. I did, once, overpressure a T-72B3 in an actual match with this thing Other than the random lucky overpressure tho, the SAPHE is awful, somehow worse than the AP on the M163
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@@Spookston ty for the heart spookston!!!
Please play crusader with secondary turret this is the 124th time I've asked
Day 222 of asking spookston to play the AMR.35 ZT3
Attempt number 4 at asking Spookston to play the T34E at 4.0
Tech tree version
38mm of penetration against RHA but we forget that the SAP has 1000mm inter-dimensional phase shift penetration also.
sekret yank quantum tech
recentley hoped on war thunder in my cheifton, and got frontal anialated by some inter-diamentional goofery from the 40mm sap, and instantley rage quit
Yeah I opressured a Obj 279 using it once
The number of TURMs I've killed with this thing cannot be counted easily.
@@satnav9699 the court rules this homicide justified, on grounds of the "victim" driving an Obj 279
The Sergeant York not having tracers is the greatest jump scare in this game.
For real,the moment you see on your camera that a York is shooting in your direction,you're basically done
I fear no radar AA, but that thing, it scares me
Tracers? That thing doesn't have even a sound of gun fire. For some reason it's guns have like 5% volume for other players.
The radar is easy to compensate for and the proxy rounds are extremely accurate. I've never had an issue taking down things in that beast and I love it for being such a sneaky bastard. Only if it had its previous pen I would be less afraid of other tanks, but as seen in the video it can still eek out those generous pens and overpressures with how much ammo it has.
I never realized how scary this thing was until I started grinding other nations. I took the York for granted when I grinded US
The most depressing 'non-pen' situation I've ever had was hitting an M50 with the HE from a British 17-pounder *twice* and it doing absolutely nothing.
Awfull
@@德菈赛 It is THE Thing so of course
How about veak😂
M50 as in the Super Sherman and was it the front armor? It doesn't sound that crazy since HE rounds suck at penetrating armor compared to solid AP.
EDIT: Unless he meant the M50 Ontos, in which case that makes zero sense.
I have non penned an xm800T with 105mm apds and a Gepard with 120mm apds
Probably a little out of left field, but can I just say a HUGE "Thank You" for, for in the first few seconds of the video when you're making a humorous shot at the M247, *NOT USING* AI-upscaled/AI-frame-generated historical footage of that factory floor?
I see blob-like and randomly morphing video so often now with historical footage that I feel like it deserves some thanks so that it is known that it is encouraged!
This isn't out of left field, it's out of left continent my guy 😂 I know what you mean though, just a very niche thank you
since you said the ratel 90 wasn't bad, you should play the objectively awful ratel version; the ratel 20. it has the same bad mobility as the 90, but with the same weapons as the marder IFV, which doesn't sound bad at first, until you realise you're expected to fight king tigers and jumbo pershings with 7 slow to reload MILANs and an autocannon that can't even pen a panther's side (day 5)
Now that is an evil suggestion
i think marder can in fact pen a panther's side at the right angle and range
You spent five days requesting, and I spent 22, sadge
@@zxcymbal point blank lol
the marder 1a3, on the other hand...
I have a feeling that ratels was buffed, they feel much more controllable and faster now
A 40 year old hull using 50 year old guns firing cutting edge munitions guided by a radar meant to be in the air. What do you mean it wasn't a smashing success?!
"In 1982 I participated in both cooperative and non-cooperative tests at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland, flying an Air Force CH-3E helicopter against a Sergeant York. I would have been dead many times over had it been shooting live rounds at us instead of just video.
The Sergeant York was the front-runner in a program intended to provide the Army with a sorely needed “division air defense” (DIVAD) weapon system. It was based on a novel concept: re-purposing M48 Patton tank chassis’ with a new turret incorporating twin Swedish Bofors 40mm cannons and two radar systems - one for area surveillance (the rectangular antenna) and one for targeting (the conical antenna, an off-the-shelf application of the F-16′s radar). (Compare the picture below with that of the Sergeant York to see how this adaptation worked.)
A firing control system integrated the two radars, with on-board software prioritizing targets based on the threat they were assessed to pose to the system itself. (For the late ’70s /early ’80s, this was cosmic.) If the operator elected to allow the system to engage targets hands-off, it would slew the turret around at a nauseatingly rapid rate, taking on each in turn automatically.
On the next-to-last day of the test, my aircraft was joined by an Army AH-1 Cobra and OH-58 Kiowa and two Air Force A-10s. My H-3 was part of the test profile because its radar signature was essentially the same as that of an Mi-24 HIND assault helicopter of the day, which was heavily armed with both anti-tank missiles and rockets. We all converged on it simultaneously from about 6000 meters. My aircraft was the first to die, followed by the two A-10s, then the Cobra, and finally the Kiowa. It took less than 15 seconds to put plenty of hypothetical rounds into each of us.
I spent a depressing amount of that week watching myself get tracked and killed on video. Trying to “mask” behind anything other than rising terrain simply didn’t work; the DIVAD radar got a nice Doppler return off my rotor system if any part of it was within its line of sight, and it burned right through trees just fine. I couldn’t outrun or out-maneuver it laterally; when I moved, it tracked me. I left feeling pretty convinced that it was the Next Big Thing, especially since I’d come into the test pretty cocky thanks to having had a lot of (successful) exercise experience against current Army air defense systems.
So, what happened to the program itself? I think it was a combination of factors. First, the off-the-shelf concept was cool as far as it went, but the Patton design already was a quarter-century old; the DIVAD was awfully slow compared with the M1 Abrams tanks it was supposed to protect. It would have had a lot of trouble keeping up with the pack.
Second, The Atlantic Monthly published a really nasty article (bordering on a hatchet job) purporting to show the program was a complete failure and a ruinous waste of money. One of its most impressive bits of propaganda was an anecdote about a test where the system - on full automatic - took aim at a nearby trailer full of monitoring equipment. Paraphrasing, “It tracked and killed an exhaust fan,” chortled the author. (See The Gun That Shoots Fans for a recounting of this.)
Yeah, it did. It was designed to look for things that rotate (like helicopter main rotor systems) and prioritize them for prompt destruction. If any bad guys were on the battlefield in vehicles with unshrouded exhaust fans, they might have been blown away rather comprehensively. (My understanding at the time was that said fan was part of a rest room in one of the support vehicles and not a “latrine,” but why mess up a good narrative, right?)
To my knowledge, neither ventilated latrines nor RVs full of recording devices are part of a typical Army unit’s table of allowance, so I really doubt there was much of a fratricide threat there. However, the bottom line was that this particular piece of partisan reporting beat the crap out of a program that I believe the Army needed, but already was facing a few developmental issues, and helped hasten its cancellation.
(The New York Times opinion piece linked to above was equally laden with innuendo and assumptions. It made a fair point about possible anti-radiation attacks it might have invited… but there are radars on every battlefield, and there are means of controlling emissions. It compared a late-Fifties era Soviet system - the ZSU-23-4 - with one fully twenty years newer in design. It asserted that it couldn’t hit fixed-wing aircraft, which to my mind and personal observation was arrant nonsense. The only issue it raised that I agree with was possible NATO compatibility problems with the unique 40mm caliber shells the Sergeant York’s guns fired. Funny - the Times pontificated that it wouldn’t be cancelled, too. Oops.)
Third, the hydraulics that were used in the prototype were a 3000 psi system that really couldn’t handle the weight of the turret in its Awesome Hosing Things mode. One of the only times I actually got a score on the system was when I cheated; I deliberately exploited that vulnerability. I flew straight toward the system (which would have blown us out of the sky about twenty times over had I tried to do so for real) until directly over it, then tried to defeat the system from above.
If memory serves, the system specifications called for the guns to elevate to more than 85 degrees if something was coming up and over; it then would lower them quickly, slew the turret 180 degrees around, and raise the guns again to re-engage. It was supposed to be able to do that in perhaps ten seconds (but I’m here to tell you it did it a lot faster than that). So, I had my flight engineer tell me the moment the guns dropped, at which point I did a course reversal maneuver to try to catch it pointed the wrong way. What the video later showed was:
Helicopter flies over.
Traverse/re-acquire movement starts.
Helicopter initiated hammerhead turn (gorgeous, if I say so myself).
Guns started to elevate to re-engage.
Clunk. Guns fall helplessly down; DIVAD crew uses bad language.
The hydraulics hadn’t been able to support the multiple close-on, consecutive demands of movement in multiple axes and failed. Like I said, I cheated. The Army and the contractors already knew about this problem and were going to fit out production models with a 5000 psi system. That might have had some survivability issues of its own, but the Army was perfectly happy that we’d done what we did - it proved the test wasn’t rigged and underscored the need for the production change.
Finally, the Army itself honestly appraised the system based on its progress (and lack of progress) versus their requirements. Wikipedia provides a passage that encapsulates this end-game well: “The M247 OT&E Director, Jack Krings, stated the tests showed, ‘...the SGT YORK was not operationally effective in adequately protecting friendly forces during simulated combat, even though its inherent capabilities provided improvement over the current [General Electric] Vulcan gun system. The SGT YORK was not operationally suitable because of its low availability during the tests.’ ”
I guess I’m forced to conclude that the Sergeant York was a really good concept with some definite developmental flaws - some recognized and being dealt with, perhaps one or two that would have made it less than fully effective in its intended role - that was expensive enough for bad PR to help bring it down before it fully matured. The Army was under a lot of political pressure to get it fielded, but to their credit they decided not to potentially throw good money after bad.
On balance, a lot of the contemporaneous criticisms mounted against the M247 really don’t hold up very well over time. Short-range air defense currently is provided by the latest generation of the AN/MPQ-64F1 Improved Sentinel system. Radar emitting on the battlefield? Check. Target prioritization capabilities? Check. Towed (which equals “slow”) versus self-propelled? Check.
I’m glad we never wound up in the position of needing it but not having it. My personal judgment was and is that it probably could have wound up a heck of a lot more capable and useful than its developmental history might suggest, but its cancellation probably was justified given other acquisition priorities at the time.
Bottom line: I repeatedly flew a helicopter against it over the course of many hours of testing, including coming at it as unpredictably as I knew how, and it cleaned my clock pretty much every time."
-Tom Ferrier
How close did it get to being fielded? There were people in the U.S. military, career officers at the Air Defense School at Ft. Bliss at the time, who swore by the Sgt. York and just assumed that the military would eventually field it. I was told that there were officers several classes ahead of me that went through the Air Defense School that received a briefing on it and were expecting to be assigned to it once production started and the Army started phasing out the Vulcan. By the time I showed up though, there was nothing to be found regarding the Sgt. York except the memories of the people who were assigned to Ft. Bliss. We were however briefed on the new Patriot System that was still in the early stages of being fielded in active duty units, replacing the Hawk. You will never see the Patriot system in the game. It would be unfair. lol
Did it only get SAP rounds or did it also get AP? Also how effective were the SAP rounds?
@@TheTeehee11111it's the Bofors L/70, it's a standard NATO gun and there's even one with an ammunition data link available for programmable airburst rounds.
XM246 turret and Phalanx derived radar with the 40mm HEVT on an M1 hull would have been actually good.
Did they ever considered using an M60 chassis or even M1 chassis to be paired with this turret or was it only intended for M48 chassis?
"Flushed out the rat" immediately hides down an alleyway with his engine off... like a rat
You know what else is dumb? THE AMX M4! PERCHANCE!
(Perchance day 76)
You can't just say perchance!
@@Deadbeat-Senpaipurchase
i love the AMX M4
vive la france!
Whats absolutely hilarious about this thing besides being a sky broom that slays once you get used to it. If you flank a T series tank (t64, t72, etc) they have a small section of there side at the bottom that is 20mm thick and this thing DELETES them if you get a round or 2 in.
or you could gaijin by aiming at the top of their engine deck (from side, close range, like the edge top edge of the side). it """works""" on t55's
not consistant at all, but remember when panicking and pray for them having a 500% booster
The Cloaker sound for a locked on missile is so good.
The best worst sound there is
Fun fact: the Army fielded an SPAA based on the Bradley, it was called the M6 Linebacker. It’s a regular Bradley but instead of a TOW launcher it carried four Stingers in a pod.
Shame Stingers are super nerfed because the dev can't fathom that western MANPADS can be better than the Igla.
One would say Gaijin is biased in favor of Russia.If only there was a term for this.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 Stingers aren't nerfed its just people expect more from them then what stingers are actually capable of as they have rather short range like all manpads.
@@DeathlordSlavik "Stingers aren't nerfed its just people expect more from them then what stingers are actually capable of as they have rather short range like all manpads."
They are nerfed, just for starters in game they are only capable of pulling 13gs, actual military documents state it is 20-22gs. Furthermore the in game lock on range against helicopters is a joke, the IR/UV seekers should be capable of locking onto them much further then they can in game, that was in fact another reason they even had UV.
@@aflyingcowboy31 No as the actual documents refer to the acceleration Gs not the turning Gs which are different. On top of this the amount of Gs the missile can endure in a turn while maintaining lock is actually lower then what the missile is actually capable of turning. No stingers had the UV seeker to give them better resilience to flares not for better locking of helicopters. As for the in game locking all AA suffer not just those with stingers.
@@DeathlordSlavik "No as the actual documents refer to the acceleration Gs not the turning Gs which are different"
You do know lateral acceleration refers to how well a missile (or any moving object) can turn or manoeuvre right? Specifically, it's the acceleration acting perpendicular to the direction of travel, which determines how quickly the missile can change its direction.
The British documents for instance are explicit, the lateral acceleration for the Stingers is 20gs, i.e. in game that means it should have a max g-load of 20gs i.e. Max g-load is actually referring to lateral acceleration.
So no, it wasn't and you have no clue what you are talking about.
"No stingers had the UV seeker to give them better resilience to flares not for better locking of helicopters."
This statement further proves you have no clue what you are talking about.
Wtf just opened youtube and this just got uploaded here.
Day 28 of telling spookston to play the IT1. its a ATGM launcher on the t62 chassis, it has decent-ish mobility, the turret is squished. You can hide behind cover and shoot ATGM over the cover like a gremlin and you overpressure tanks (tho it can be rare, but it does happen without you realizing) and its MG is really werid. Also it has a cool reload animation.
Both Spookston and PolarFuch made videos about the m247?!?!?!
was coming here to say the same thing lmao
Yeah same
Great furry minds think alike
Wait is Polar a furry?@@Paronak
@@Blackphantom622i don't think so, his name is just polar fox
this bad boy is the reason I got my first nuke 2 weeks ago and I had 7 ground kills just with this. I think the biggest advantage york got against other tanks is how much they underestimate you and die out of some random overpressure magic
Giorno 23 of asking Spookston to play Lancia R3o (100/17), best all-you-can-do truck.
AVANTI SAVOIA, ITALIAN TRUCK SUPERIORITY!
AVANTI SAVOIA
Bro is restless when spookston uploads
Pasta waggon cmon spookston AVANTI SAVOIA
AVANTI SAVOIA!
12:20 Brother, what allergy do you have? Its middle of the autumn! Is it for pumpkin spice or some thing?
I think he lives in the Midwest and we’re going through a drought right now so the ground is super dusty.
i live in south central US and my allergies have been horrific for the past couple weeks and still are right now.
its mould and fungi season, some people are allergic to that I think.
@@Shaun_Jones he lives in ohio. 🙂
14:47 that guy is not having It today
9:43 as an actual italian (like from Italy, not like an average American that just say "oh the cousin of the best friend of my uncle is italian so I'm italian") I have to say one thing: the first pronunciation you did was way closer to the actual one than the second one.
wow you're an italian? like from italy? that's so unique and special of you. thanks for elaborating that you're not fake, because you're so real. since you're the real deal can you explain why so many italians are violent child diddlers? is that a cultural thing or something?
I've never heard an American say that.
@@cogcog5264 this kind of american live on reddit
This thing in AB is a serious menace:the shells can travel up to 4km,and most planes spawn at 4km!So you wait for them to pop up,turn the turret at ludicrous speed,F+ALT to lock on,2-3 bursts of M822 and they're done for.I have thousands of air kills and a surpising amount of ground kills with this thing and i love it so much
Also SPOOKSTON CONFIRMED ITALIAN E ANNAMOOOOOOO
Dear Spookston, recently I had a colonoscopy and the prep was hell and I would always watch your videos during the prep and that was the only thing carrying me through it and I would watch your vids right before the procedure in the hospital. Thank you very much
2:42 *nostalgic ptsd noises*
There on that day Sergeant York entered the fray saving the day
3:30 "we did get the kill for that Alouette"
Me, a somewhat patriotic Canadian: *desparately holding back the urge to start singing*
I read from a person who did testing on the york and it was great actually in the mock tests the pilot failed to evade it but the pilot did mention they did find a blindspot more or less and even that was going to be fixed in the updated software the test were using a slightly dated version of it.
So from the ppl who actually were there testing the york it was pretty amazing for its time and worked for at least one account.
Yet another military project cancelled right before it would have been mission-ready.
1:55 spookston, always remember that friendlies are just enemies in blue. JUST DO IT
Red?
@@cisarovnajosefina4525 my bad im -colorblind- dyslexic
3:53 The TAM literally has Cardboard armor. There are IFVs in the game that are more armored than the TAM. The Marder 1A for example
You know what would be EPIC? Playing the M56 ratatouille with ONLY HESH
Something I'm surprised that no one else knows is that the only guns/turrets that are visibly stabilized are the ones on your vehicle only, no one else's. This means that the turrets can be way off center for you when you shoot someone else's track off at high speeds, etc. This leads to the entire thing of people claiming "turret desync" and things like that when in reality it's just old code that a Gaijin dev hasn't bothered changing.
Something else about the stabilizers is that they don't actually "stabilize", they just snap your gun (or whatever you're using) to the crosshair and remove the acceleration/waviness of turret/gun movements from non-stabilized turrets. This also means that stabilized turrets technically move faster since they don't need wait to accelerate because instead they're instantly at their full speed.
Thank you for being here at my TED talk.
Polarfuchs and spookston making an M247 video on the same day? What a coincidence
Almost 100k views in a few hours. Spookston is a legend and I'm glad he's getting the views and community he deserves. Keep up these great videos man
TH-cam did the funny glitch so im going to say it again, Spooksto you need to play the french menace known as the AMX M4 and destroy non french tanks with its autoloading 90mm
I'm so happy the ending music is back.
Spookston should play the French premium VBCI. That would be funny I think.
now you have to play the sargent bjork
Day 65 of asking spookie pookie to play the sheridan with just the shillelie
"it did have some issues" A warning sign with that crushed arm instantly foreshadowed something...
Recently you played the Jagdpanzer, the SU-85 or SU-100 should be a little like that, but you have stalinium protecting you :)
8:36 classic war thunder moment. Enemy looks at you and you die. Doesn’t have to aim at you, doesn’t have to see you, just blind fire and you’re dead.
The York not getting AP is just a long track of American getting neglected in the AA tree.
Though at least now we're getting the Skink and one other AA
both the skink and the M24 based one will be utterly useless (as all AA tbh, but those 2 are exceptionally useless)
@o-hogameplay185 To be honest though, at least they put something there? It's just kind of been an awkward gap.
@@aiedenoldstien9751 Nah, put down your [giving gaijin credit] card before it gives you "be happy" Soviet AIDS.
They purposely did it like this out of laziness and spite, and that is not okay. The Chaffee is 50cals only, which would be okay to replace the forever use of M16 if it wasn't the only thing shoved in there and they unnerfed the belts. The Skink is being put there in place of full US vehicles that should be; it is essentially an excuse to not add the others while giving you a nerf bat.
The T85E1 should be in the game, because it can be put lower than the Skink by a lot while having 20mm's and enough mobility. The Bofors M3 (T36) could go where the Skink is.
@@aiedenoldstien9751 yes, but it is like they werent there...
why would you use any of them when realistically you can only engage planes within a km (or more likely like 700m) while you do little to no damage, while they can just 1shot you with cannons or miss you with a rocket/bomb and you are done...
even the best SPAAs will get outranged by pretty much every CAS in the game, very often by multiple BR lower CAS too, and this is also true in top tier.
and gaijin will only nerf SPAAs even further while buffing CAS even more, since CAS players are so utterly bad that they still can barely do anything with their purposefully OP class
it used to have like a 90mm AP belt, of course that was back when you could only have 1 500 round belt so it was either AP or proxy
I always look forward to these Friday uploads. They're a nice treat while im having lunch
Attempt number i'm guessing 5 cuz i missed a few videos but anyway, to get spooks to just play one of these: CV90120, Lvkv 9040C, Pbv 302 Bill, Swedish T 80 U, Any leclerc, M36 Slugger/Jackson and the WMA 301, and the MBT-70. And for something for low tier, the D2 or the french crusader specifically because baguettes are better than crumpets.... also play Ground Arcade or Ground Sim for a video, it would make people like me who only play either arcade or sim very happy, specially if said video features swedish vehicles. Or something with eye tracker cuz yes.
i’m so happy this video was made, it’s exactly what i needed to see after a bad work friday
14:50 Your premium account has expired 🗣‼️, day 25 of asking Spookston to play with a controller
4:12 me watching spookston call the boxer garbage after spending the last two weeks of my life slaving my soul away to the snail, 8 hours a day in front of the computer trying to grind the event for it:
I love that you’re bringing back the old outro music, as well as the Patreon shoutout. You should keep those in the future.
Ahhh, Deference for Darkness for the outro brings back memories.
Complains when turret doesn't traverse quickly, then complains when turrets traverses quickly 🙌😤
Love the videos keep them coming
12:44 oh my god the fucking wheels flying off absolutely SENT me lmao
“WEEE”
Heard you like goblin tanks, then you will like the LePKz M41. It is essentially a M41 bulldog with HEATFS.
Day 24.
So from my experience the proxy round is far better than the AP round for anti tank role, I guess the barrage of explosive filler from the twin bofors overpresures tanks in certain areas, I've managed to frontally kill Turms in that way by hitting the driver's port.
The fuze delay round have 250 grams of explosive mass is crazy on the m247
Isn't that literally 4x the explosive mass of the 40mm HE shells on the M42?
@@PraetorianMan yeah but it's the same HE filler as the york's non-proxy HE shell. It's pretty much the non-proxy HE with a less sensitive fuze
From what I read (US Army manual TM 43-0001-28-3 CHG-11) there was no 40mm AP round adopted for the SGT York. They do list a 40mm AP round, but these are for the older L60 Bofors as the M1, M2, and Mk 1. It does list an inert dummy (M851), proximity (M822), contact fuze with delay (M811), and practice (M813), and specifically mentions these as "FOR SGT YORK". The M811 SAP round's use according to the manual is "...against low-flying aircraft and also ground targets."
As much as I hate to say it, Gaijin did model the ammunition correctly somewhat.
"What flak shells"
"The york has flak shells."
"BULLSHIT-"
"You're so predisposition. You're like WHAT F--KING FLAK SHELL!? DOn'T TRIGGER ME."
Since you mentioned the Bradley hull and Stinger pods, there was the M6 Linebacker. Though that still had the same gun as a Bradley, it got a four tube Stinger launcher. I remember hearing that the main issue it had was the low elevation on the Stingers themselves. No clue if it had proxy rounds or such.
Watching you use the F3H-2 makes me happy. It's very underrated. It may not be the best at air vs air but it's amazing at air vs ground
Reminder that the York was better back then. It may have had tracers back then but it had solid AP which could side pen most targets quite well. The proxies used to have tracers but were changed to not have tracers some time around when the York was made absolutely busted with overpressure stacking. It also used to have a single 560 round belt: very long trigger time for a decently effective AA. It was also 8.3, then raised up to 8.7 and now 9.0.
Now, it can't even carry 2 of any non-default belts, meaning the effective ammo capacity for the proxies has been halved and the SAP usually quite bruh to use against most ground targets, tho hilarious when it kills.
I recently got to see a Sergeant York in person and they are so much bigger than I thought, absolute behemoth. Anyway, once more asking for a video on the LVT-4/40
Day one of asking spookston if he can play the american M19A1
Sargent York without radar deployed has the same vibe as a cat with its ears back
Ive been trying to stock grind this thing lately and it is painful. No proxy, no mobility upgrades and not even a laser rangefinder. I truly hate this vehicle
Most western MBTs have 30-35mm of side armor, you can glitch through the turret face of a leo 1, and T series tanks have a little bit of the floor that's curved up that you can pen.
"some radar issues"
Confused a latrine for a helicopter and aimed directly at the audience during a demonstration.
wth are the odds that polarfuchs and spookston uploads a video on the same tank the exact same day lol
Its even more incredible when they dont even know each other. Ive seen oddz and phly upload the same tanks
The US Army did have a small number of Bradley's that had their TOW pods replaced with a Stinger pod that was designated the M6 Linebacker.
War thunder match cant be complete without that one blind team mate charging enemy spawn
Coincidentally the F3H demon was know for being extremely underpowered lol. So your comment was pretty spot on even without comparing it to an F4
I think the reason why the Sergeant York lost it's solid shot was because some one Reddit said it never got it.
Ayyy thanks for bringing out the York!
F3H-2 was grossly underpowered but was the predecessor to the F4 Phantom. Grandfather flew those as well as the F9F family, and he said the Demon was a significant upgrade to the 9Fs.
Day 133 You should play a tank with hydropneumatic suspension (recommend the MBT-70) But the catch is you have to drop the suspension as low as it can go for the whole match.
The prox-fuse on this thing is no joke, i thought the york was okay-ish as a AA,
then i finally got the prox-fuse and now i just wipe the Airspace when i spawn in it.
“All planes are enemy” unless you’re playing with TheCodMineMan. You seem to enjoy his shinanigans
good to hear the old outro music again. classic
5:48 I felt the pain seeing this a lot of people in this game don't look at their minimap like in that one match I went into the ennemy spawn and hid in a corner but I was marked on the map because of the spawn and ennemies spawning didn't see me and got caught off guard
You should totally play the Turan III, it's got a great cannon with some great ammunition (I love penning a T-34 through its front plate because it charged me and thought it was invincible), and its like the only non-lend-lease/captured Italian medium tank that doesn't get one shot that I've experienced in the early BRs
M247s HE-VT shells stack overpressure and can kill ridiculously armored vehicles if you shoot the face of a tank for a second or two, it also blinds the guy and you get the second or two to just ignore its armor in most cases
Spookston using SPAA to actually kill air crafts? This is not what I'm here for!
I WANTED THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG YOU DONT EVEN KNOW
Fun fact: The F-4 Phantom originally began its conceptual life as an upgraded F3H, aka the “Super Demon”
Day 16 of asking spookston to play the marder A1: its a fun light tank with 4 milan missiles and a 20mm sprayer to shake off CAS and a little machinegun to cover your back and it's the vehicle oddBawZ used for his first nuke
Inside me there are two wolves. One wolf loves anti-CAS Spookston. The other loves CAS Spookston. They live in total chaos.
describes his perfect modern AA,
Bradley linebacker: am i a joke to you?
AMX-13 SS11, the only 6.7 MCLOS carrier that has a cannon as well as missiles. Can meet the Maus, can kill the Maus.
Attempt 20 at getting Spookston to play the Soviet rank 2 ZSU-37 ratmobile
An underrated feature of the M247 is that the search radar can actually be toggled up to 40km range.
The magic of a BVR and ACM radar,this thing is straight up OP at the BR it sits
7:20
Two Begleits destroy enemy Type 74 (E) with a TOW at the same time
Incredible
Spookston: It's garbage now
Also Spookston: [goes full ham]
Petition to have spookston us the M109 strictly as SPAA
Jour 101 of asking Spookston to play the Vextra-105 🇫🇷
spookston uploaded as i was watching spookston
Idk if it still is, but the Sgt York's AP was actually changed at one point to be SAPHE. Which means it can overpressure, though it's wildly inconsistent given the caliber. I did, once, overpressure a T-72B3 in an actual match with this thing
Other than the random lucky overpressure tho, the SAPHE is awful, somehow worse than the AP on the M163
Polarfuchs and Spookston playing the York on the same day, double deal for me
11:30 NOOOOOO.
Where is my ending to the Kamikaze drone.
You cant just edge me like that.
Not cool.
14:50 did not expect to get jumpscared by a chad David Martinez
Yesssss!!! Definitely my fav anti air (when it has proxy) atm
“Take the Bradley chassis and put a 40 mil on it”
So LVKV9040 at home 😂
Early radar AA at low tier especially with decent proxy is an absolute menace to any CAS that doesn't have lock-on rockets