Bit of a mistake here, you cannot double redeploy into combat with the Coven Throne, you can only react once per phase, so you can only use Mannfred's ability once during the opponents turn. Also I hope Ben didn't put on Neferata's spell on the VLOZD during the tournament, it specifically states non-monster unit.
Bacchanal of blood with Cado Ezechiar gives you a pretty easy source of +2 to cast, if you really NEED to get a Krondspine (8+) or Prison of Grief off on a magical intervention, he's clutch! You can barf out hard to cast spells every round if he finds a place of power.
For the battltome: anything but a foot hero! New grave guard models, a blood knight hero, an elite infantry vampire unit. Better sub factions and enhancement options! (Also big thumbs up for a bone giant!)
soulblight was and always will be my fav armie. i had a really early game where i litteraly did not kill a single unit of my friend but i still won just because i kept his stuff away from objectives, tied up his hammers in useless combats and just won like that. never did that before and made me understand the game alot more, since before i thought its all about damage when it really isnt
Great video and very helpful. I like the list choices in the back. He also opened my eyes to the power of skeletons I was kind of sleeping on them since they don't do much damage but recursion is great and can pop out of the grave to threaten the backfield.
oh man, you guys would hate my list, its blood nights and dogs (and neffy and vhordrai). i will try something else for sure, like black knights, but it worked fine for me. im also really unsure which non unique hero i should use as none of them or the artifacts or traits really synergize with my list at all. maybe swapping out vhordrai for a gerenic vlozd but i kind of only did the list to get vhordrais buffs on the blood knights
I’m a little late to the party but I would expect to see points hikes in the first update. Even though DoT and SBGL winrates are under 55%, they are both close to it in a world where two armies are over 60%. If they were to nerf LRL and NH but not touch DoT and SBGL, both of them would just take over the power vacuum. The balance team for 40K also thought like this in the first major points update where they essentially toned down anything over 50% so they wouldn’t just become the new eldar. Furthermore some units are just out of line for their points cost. Dire wolves are a great example of this. Lightning fast, super wound dense, and recursive at 140pt, they are just the best pinning unit in the game right now. Combine that with death stench they can actually do damage. We’ve already seen this build do well, won the first big GT of the edition, and people are continuing to do well with dog spam. This is just one example but there are countless units that, mathematically, are undercosted compared most other units in their respective roles in the game.
I’m surprised they didn’t talk about the Vampire Lord. Lots of offensive utility, especially in BoB. Teleport to the opponents back line and charge their wizard for +1 w or keep him out of combat and summon a manifestation on the opponents turn then counter charge anything that tries to get him. Give him some back by summoning some skeles or grave guard to bog the enemy down (if you can get them there with terrain deployment) and you have a massive disruption piece for 160pts
Lauka Vai looks great! Vengorian Lord not so much. Would love to see a Lauka Vai build. Would a Lauka Vai + Radukar the Beast regiments, with terrorgheist and trueblade support?
How in the mortal realms is Legion of Shyish not conditional? You need: - 4 deadwalker or deathrattle units - that are all damaged/missing models - all wholly within 12" of the same hero - during any hero phase I don't have much experience on the tabletop, but that seems more conditional than having a deadwalker unit in combat and rolling a 2+ on a D3. It honestly seems niche.
@AoSCoach I had that hope originally. Settra was never a minion of Nagash and did a Gotrek at the end of the Old World giving everyone the finger heading into the realm of chaos
I believe the reference I was talking about was that if you counter charge, you can't recieve a command but if you do a similar ability without a command... you can
@AoSCoach so if you can get a free reroll charge in your charge phase it should work with counter charge, because that ability says it works as if it were your charge phase.
NOTE: Misspoke when discussing Dark Mist as we can't do it on Monsters. Apologies.
Bit of a mistake here, you cannot double redeploy into combat with the Coven Throne, you can only react once per phase, so you can only use Mannfred's ability once during the opponents turn.
Also I hope Ben didn't put on Neferata's spell on the VLOZD during the tournament, it specifically states non-monster unit.
Battletome: Bring back Krell and/or mortal infantry of Shyish that could return as zombies.
Bacchanal of blood with Cado Ezechiar gives you a pretty easy source of +2 to cast, if you really NEED to get a Krondspine (8+) or Prison of Grief off on a magical intervention, he's clutch! You can barf out hard to cast spells every round if he finds a place of power.
On the flipside, if you roll a 1 he won't have his bonus. Other than the one cast he really doesn't help. He's an extra drop.. he's really expensive
For the battltome: anything but a foot hero!
New grave guard models, a blood knight hero, an elite infantry vampire unit. Better sub factions and enhancement options!
(Also big thumbs up for a bone giant!)
Grave Guard are still Old World kits. They show their age.
Wouldn't surprrise me if GG get a new model
@@AoSCoach there was a recent rumour engine that looked very much like a GG glaive so🤞
soulblight was and always will be my fav armie. i had a really early game where i litteraly did not kill a single unit of my friend but i still won just because i kept his stuff away from objectives, tied up his hammers in useless combats and just won like that. never did that before and made me understand the game alot more, since before i thought its all about damage when it really isnt
Great video and very helpful. I like the list choices in the back. He also opened my eyes to the power of skeletons I was kind of sleeping on them since they don't do much damage but recursion is great and can pop out of the grave to threaten the backfield.
Ben! The legendest of legends
oh man, you guys would hate my list, its blood nights and dogs (and neffy and vhordrai). i will try something else for sure, like black knights, but it worked fine for me. im also really unsure which non unique hero i should use as none of them or the artifacts or traits really synergize with my list at all. maybe swapping out vhordrai for a gerenic vlozd but i kind of only did the list to get vhordrais buffs on the blood knights
I’m a little late to the party but I would expect to see points hikes in the first update. Even though DoT and SBGL winrates are under 55%, they are both close to it in a world where two armies are over 60%. If they were to nerf LRL and NH but not touch DoT and SBGL, both of them would just take over the power vacuum. The balance team for 40K also thought like this in the first major points update where they essentially toned down anything over 50% so they wouldn’t just become the new eldar.
Furthermore some units are just out of line for their points cost. Dire wolves are a great example of this. Lightning fast, super wound dense, and recursive at 140pt, they are just the best pinning unit in the game right now. Combine that with death stench they can actually do damage. We’ve already seen this build do well, won the first big GT of the edition, and people are continuing to do well with dog spam. This is just one example but there are countless units that, mathematically, are undercosted compared most other units in their respective roles in the game.
I’m surprised they didn’t talk about the Vampire Lord. Lots of offensive utility, especially in BoB. Teleport to the opponents back line and charge their wizard for +1 w or keep him out of combat and summon a manifestation on the opponents turn then counter charge anything that tries to get him. Give him some back by summoning some skeles or grave guard to bog the enemy down (if you can get them there with terrain deployment) and you have a massive disruption piece for 160pts
Lauka Vai looks great! Vengorian Lord not so much. Would love to see a Lauka Vai build. Would a Lauka Vai + Radukar the Beast regiments, with terrorgheist and trueblade support?
Question for Unhinged Rampager + Counter Charge. Counter charge say use the charge ability as if it WERE your charge phase, so would it work?
New battletome: remove 3+ roll for VLords teleport :D
I get that it needs a fail mechanice but i'd rather it be limited to once per game teleport
How in the mortal realms is Legion of Shyish not conditional? You need:
- 4 deadwalker or deathrattle units
- that are all damaged/missing models
- all wholly within 12" of the same hero
- during any hero phase
I don't have much experience on the tabletop, but that seems more conditional than having a deadwalker unit in combat and rolling a 2+ on a D3.
It honestly seems niche.
I agree that Blood Knights should be 4 wounds given the current meta.
I want Settra back as a counter to Negash. Like the Crone in DoK
I always though Ushoran might be that counter to Nagash
@AoSCoach I had that hope originally. Settra was never a minion of Nagash and did a Gotrek at the end of the Old World giving everyone the finger heading into the realm of chaos
Thanks.
For the Sylvaneth introduction? I kid, still great work!
Copy / Pasta error that's been resolved
Great video
thanks mate
Darkmist can only be used on non monster units
It feels designed to be used on blood knights and Vampire lords
Yeah we misspoke. Thanks for the pick up
Counter charge says "as if it were your charge phase" so can't you use the reroll charge?
You can't use the command point reroll because you can only give a unit one command per phase
@@RoganGDok. Valid. That's not the reason Coach was giving
I believe the reference I was talking about was that if you counter charge, you can't recieve a command but if you do a similar ability without a command... you can
@AoSCoach so if you can get a free reroll charge in your charge phase it should work with counter charge, because that ability says it works as if it were your charge phase.
Bergstrom Lake
I refuse to use morbid conjuration out of principles. but then again I just play for fun.
I get it. It's strong... but it's also a death lore
nagash + mortis engine combo
Unhinged rampager is still not great because the vlozd is not worth the points (meh meh damage way too expensive to justify in a list)
please stop talking over each other jesus. just wait til the other one is done
Thanks for the feedback. Streaming across the world can cause lag issues which sometimes cause this. It’s not intentional
53:00 Beast ability says "Has a maximum control score of 1." This means you can't add to it, doesn't it?
Lauka vai is with monsters and belladamma has a spell that makes fire wolves ignore the beast rule. Bit fiddly, but you can get their control up.