Ivan, friends like those two are priceless! What one hell of a video youse guys could put out, especially if you could drag Eric O into too! Hey, new channel, stump the tech! Lol
Pulsar is an awesome tool. Keith put you on the spot because he knew you could handle it. Ivan you and Steve work real well together! 11:00 at night and you are responding Like A Champion to anything he throws at you! Ivan you are an incredible diagnostician!!!! Thank you Keith for all that you do!!!!! Looking forward to more case studies.
Thank you for the positivity, Dave! It was an epic trip, always so much to learn. And Keith is the best mentor anyone could ask for :) And Steve is always a riot haha
I'll never forget my instructor at GM training telling us you have think like the computer when diagnosing issues such as these , nice job with your channel
Ivan out of the park! NO PRESSURE AT ALL! Amongst colleagues, friends and a timer of course. Great video! I appreciate you bringing us along! Great diagnosis!
I actually think you're better at diagnostics in general than some other people, I won't mention names, but their name starts with a K. Your humility allows you to explain everything in an easy-to-follow and precise way. You talk out your thoughts and teach at the same time.
After watching some of Keith's other videos with the Pulsar, I started an email convo with IPAtools.com (who USED to manufacture the pulsar tool.) They informed me they are "considering" a new improved model of the pulsar 9000, which will either be late this year or early 2020. I'll bet if enough people inquired and influenced them to make the tool, it'd help! Keith if you see this -- let them know we want the new tool! You seem to be in contact with all major companies and their support teams :)
Good job! My guess is that the original coil failed (internal short) and blew the FET and/or damper diode in the PCM. It is sad how many of these things fail that can easily be fixed on a electronics bench. But customers want it fixed NOW! If it was mine, I certainly would take it apart and fix it myself.
New Subscriber here; Truly enjoy the video(s) ! You and Eric O. are a rare breed,Diagnosing problems,.. not today's common part slappers. You have a follower here in Indiana.
Awesome job Ivan, you nailed it. This is almost as good as being there. You three definitely make some of these jobs look darn easy. Keep up the awesome work. 👍🏻👍🏻
Keith and Steve kinda set you up for a timed test. Great job Ivan, nailed it!!! And in good time too! Like Steve said....you`re awesome! Logic rules in diagnostics.The pulsar is a cool tool. Subbed in NLA, SD, PHAD, , SMA, You guys make it look so easy.Much respect from this 62 yr old shadetree mechanic, started wrenchin on my own junk at 16. Now if I only knew how to rebuild a 700r4 trans...mine gave up the ghost around 300,000 miles. My dd 91 Silverado down At the moment
1st thing i thought was a coil circuit, after you mentioned ASD relay fuse.... I had a customer I lost as a customer because i couldn't repair their car [didn't have the technology or resource], Hyundai sonata with a blown ignition fuse! He called and told me what the dealer found [which was nice] And I never forgot... This was 6yrs ago😁 live and learn
That Pulsar tool is neat. I have a short circuit tester that you put in a circuit breaker in the place of the blown fuse. Then you use this needle gauge against the suspect wire to see which way the needle bounces (left or right). That tells you which direction the short is in the wire. Of course it only works if you can access the wire easily which isn't always the case. It works though, a very handy tool. Good video, I've thought about getting a tool like the Pulsar or maybe the "power probe", anything that will assist with electrical diagnosis.
A smart ignition IGBT pre-driver IC (or monitor circuit) for ignition will have full diagnostics on the driver itself. So, if the driver is not being commanded on by the pre-driver, but the output is on (being pulled low) then the PCM should be able to report status (PID) or fault (DTC) on this circuit. This is helpful if you want repair the module yourself (replace a shorted IGBT) or if you want to send the module out for repair. Also, we are assuming that there is not issue with the connector pins, either corrosion or a bent pin on the module side. If you look at the battery for this vehicle, if not original, many times it will look small compared to the room available on the battery tray. This is because the original battery was actually a special sub-category of the group size (special meaning high output) which is no longer available. The closest battery to the original available is actually one made for a BMW. I know for a fact that the battery replacement listing for AAA in their look-up roadside cross reference is the wrong battery. With the vehicle stand time less than two weeks and expected life or about 4 months.
That's AWESOME! Due to my own lack of experience, I would have replaced the coil since their wasn't any spark from it, thinking it was the internal short....(I admit, I have been humbled, again...lol..)
That's a cool tool, you guys are up late and wow. Record time in diagnosis. That was interesting as well. Thanks for the step by step procedure with your commentary. It all made sense. :)
Man this one one of the coolest videos ive seen in a while. U guys should do more like this when u have an extra few mins. Very entertaining and also great job ivan. U nailed it bud
Glad you liked it Dylan! Didn't really plan it that way, Keith and Steve just decided to put me on the spot haha. Maybe this can be a new format...diagnostics with a stop watch ;)
Very Nice. That Pulsar is a nice tool. For now I just have my clamp meter and homemade fused wire loop and a bucket of fuses. I've been trying to talk myself into one of those circuit breaker fuses but I haven't done it yet. I don't get to do as much troubleshooting as I'd like and video like this are super helpful learning experiences.
Was thinking the same thing about a circuit breaker since I'm not a mech any fancy tools outside of a scope and amp clamp wouldn't be worth my needs. Not sure even that would be necessary since it was blowing the fuse we knew current was high and a short to ground was suspect. I wonder if the coil had anything to do with it frying though and would be hesitant to slap a new computer in without checking everything on that circuit. As a dyi person my main goal is to save money and not use spendy tools if I can.
Ivan, you make the difference between a "mechanic" / parts changer and a real technician that does a proper trouble shooting diagnostic. Any other shop will say you need coil pack, spark plug, wires and a PCM.
Awesome! Aw inspiring to see so many of your talents come together as one in this video and of course the diagnosis was on point as always. Thanks for sharing again!
I got carted away when Eric O went live... but returning to finish this.... hahaha "because, Staten Island" lol. Ahhh the case studies. Not bad... pinpointed an issue rather quickly.
Thank you, sir 🙏 for these videos. They help me so much. My fuse #15 keeps blowing. Every time I start the car .I looked at my transmission controller module plug ,and some of my wires were down to bear wire and touching. I'm now trying to figure out where the short is now ?
I was wondering if when you unplug that connector at the PCM is that the same connector is powering up the coil side of the asd relay and now de energize no current flow unless I miss some thing in your testing, nice to see 3 great teachers .
I followed what you did. I think the grounding in the pcm can pass 6 amps but not all circuits can do this? In the old days the device was always grounded to the frame and the on switch was before the load. Today, since there is voltage drop through the load, the Pcm can more easily handle the reduced current.
So, it's been a while, and I'd love someone to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong... Weren't there two coilpack designs on the Chrysler 4s of that era, and weren't they wired differently? I feel like I've seen this before, replace the coil, wrong connector, get new connector, power and control are swapped, takes out PCM driver?
Would it be worth it to check and see how if coils are operating normally before calling it a fix? I remember an old case study on the South Main channel where a Caravan's misbehaving coil killed the PCM and probably wasn't far off from damaging the good PCM Eric O. put in it. These cases are probably mostly unrelated outside of correlating Chrysler product of this vintage + ignition-related problem + damaged PCM, but it does make you think. Well done under pressure.
Your videos are so interesting to watch. Ivan, you are no buddies fool to.say the least. Your knowledge and analytical method is amazing. Is a new PCM pricey??
Why didn't you test the 3rd harness wires that goes to the coil with the harness disconnected from the pcm? Couldn't there have been a short to ground in the wire?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ah, I didn't know there was an ignition coil on that circuit until I looked up the wiring diagram. Thanks! You are amazing!
So would you just put in a PCM or see if you can find what killed the driver in the PCM. Could that crappy coil have caused the PCM to fail. Just seems scary to replace the PCM without knowing if something caused it to fail.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Hope you weren't thinking I was being a smart ass. I just didn't thin k you could check the coil without having a the new PCM installed to periodically apply the ground, and at that point it could fry it again. I just didn't get how you could check that stuff without the new PCM being installed and at risk for another failure.
We have been having TONS of problems with chrysler pcms here. Our problem is that we can program the pcms but we cant get pin numbers from the dealer anymore. We are a transmission shop and 50% of their trans problems are pcms.
Actually I retract that as if the PCM was looking for a ground the amperage would have remained on the other circuits. Great Job Ivan to stay the course with those guys looking on.
Initial guess; plugged fuel tank fuel pump screen/filters. I'm thinking the fuel rail pressure sensor says that the pressure is low. PCM powers up the tank fuel pump but the fuel filter is plugged. The same sequence loops until the fuse blows.
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At that time of night after working all day i'd be too knackered to think straight. Kudos to the stamina of you guys, you are awesome.
Not only teaching but testing each other. You make it look easy. Great job.
Every day is a school day. Impressive diag when faced with 2 guys that have already found the problem. Big balls to tackle that on camera. Respect.
Ivan, friends like those two are priceless! What one hell of a video youse guys could put out, especially if you could drag Eric O into too! Hey, new channel, stump the tech! Lol
Thank you Ivan, Steve, and Keith. Good job. Have a blessed and safe week.
Ivan big pressure and you passed....
Your the man.
Pulsar is an awesome tool. Keith put you on the spot because he knew you could handle it. Ivan you and Steve work real well together! 11:00 at night and you are responding Like A Champion to anything he throws at you! Ivan you are an incredible diagnostician!!!! Thank you Keith for all that you do!!!!! Looking forward to more case studies.
Thank you for the positivity, Dave! It was an epic trip, always so much to learn. And Keith is the best mentor anyone could ask for :) And Steve is always a riot haha
Ivan congratulations on a accurate, swift diagnosis!!!! You three guys are excellent!!!!
Who'd have thought such entertainment would come from a repair shop on Staten Island! Great job, Ivan.
I'll never forget my instructor at GM training telling us you have think like the computer when diagnosing issues such as these , nice job with your channel
Ivan out of the park! NO PRESSURE AT ALL! Amongst colleagues, friends and a timer of course.
Great video! I appreciate you bringing us along! Great diagnosis!
Congratulations!!! You passed your yearly Keith Certification.
I actually think you're better at diagnostics in general than some other people, I won't mention names, but their name starts with a K. Your humility allows you to explain everything in an easy-to-follow and precise way. You talk out your thoughts and teach at the same time.
I wish I had these professors when I was studying way back in 1998. What a good way to learn. Best regards friends. You are the best.
Ivan, Keith, Steve,
Great to see you guys working together. Great video and case study - thank you!
God bless
Paul (in MA)
Keith really adds value to your channel Ivan. I love the Staten Island series
For the final step I would Ohm'd or Toned those 3 wires with ECM end but it was way too late and Keith told the problem so ok hands down. Loved it.
After watching some of Keith's other videos with the Pulsar, I started an email convo with IPAtools.com (who USED to manufacture the pulsar tool.) They informed me they are "considering" a new improved model of the pulsar 9000, which will either be late this year or early 2020. I'll bet if enough people inquired and influenced them to make the tool, it'd help! Keith if you see this -- let them know we want the new tool! You seem to be in contact with all major companies and their support teams :)
I spent a half hour this afternoon on the phone with their VP. 😉 Awesome company
@@NewLevelAuto Let me know when they're in production!
I want that tool so bad.
Saw this tool in one of New levels videos a few months back. Tried to buy one from several sources. Can't find one anywhere. What a drag.
Good job! My guess is that the original coil failed (internal short) and blew the FET and/or damper diode in the PCM. It is sad how many of these things fail that can easily be fixed on a electronics bench. But customers want it fixed NOW! If it was mine, I certainly would take it apart and fix it myself.
You 3 running around Staten Island looked like you were all having a blast!
Actually I think they looked a bit like mob enforcers collecting protection money. Appeared to be a motley crew to me.
New Subscriber here; Truly enjoy the video(s) !
You and Eric O. are a rare breed,Diagnosing problems,.. not today's common part slappers.
You have a follower here in Indiana.
Thank you for the motivation!
Awesome job Ivan, you nailed it. This is almost as good as being there.
You three definitely make some of these jobs look darn easy. Keep up the awesome work. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for the comment! Keith was kind on this one and didn't make it too hard. Some of the cars that he sends me on are much more involved...
Glad to see you didn't disappoint when the pressure was on. Well done Ivan.
You East Coast Brothers Are Having T00 Much Fun
Ivan Love The New Lingo.
We'll That's Your Problem
Keith
👍👍
Keith and Steve kinda set you up for a timed test. Great job Ivan, nailed it!!! And in good time too! Like Steve said....you`re awesome! Logic rules in diagnostics.The pulsar is a cool tool. Subbed in NLA, SD, PHAD, , SMA, You guys make it look so easy.Much respect from this 62 yr old shadetree mechanic, started wrenchin on my own junk at 16. Now if I only knew how to rebuild a 700r4 trans...mine gave up the ghost around 300,000 miles. My dd 91 Silverado down At the moment
1st thing i thought was a coil circuit, after you mentioned ASD relay fuse.... I had a customer I lost as a customer because i couldn't repair their car [didn't have the technology or resource], Hyundai sonata with a blown ignition fuse! He called and told me what the dealer found [which was nice] And I never forgot... This was 6yrs ago😁 live and learn
Yup as long as you learn every day, there are no limits!
Bad PCM. Nice Diag. You passed Keith and Steve"s test!
GREAT diagnosis! well done Ivan not easy to keep your thought process under pressure! although it was only for fun!
The last thing I would check is if the connector is knackerd somehow, shorting across the pins to ground.
"The scientific method never fails". That's why you are so good,Ivan. You always follow it.👍
Nice job, I was going to say next step ohm test the coil. Good call on checking the control side.
Great work ivan, especially being under the pressure of those two guys. Way to hold your own buddy
Thanks Cody, Keith is a fantastic teacher. This was like a timed pop quiz for me :)
Man, 3 experts having fun...can you ask for more?.
I think you just passed the Staten Island Sniff Test with flying colors.
23 minutes is awesome. You must be a Russian Bot!
The coffee sure seems to be brewed strong in S.I.
Good banter guys. Watching from Australia
That Pulsar tool is neat. I have a short circuit tester that you put in a circuit breaker in the place of the blown fuse. Then you use this needle gauge against the suspect wire to see which way the needle bounces (left or right). That tells you which direction the short is in the wire. Of course it only works if you can access the wire easily which isn't always the case. It works though, a very handy tool. Good video, I've thought about getting a tool like the Pulsar or maybe the "power probe", anything that will assist with electrical diagnosis.
Keith's "I wonder what" look should have been the main photo for this vid... priceless...
A smart ignition IGBT pre-driver IC (or monitor circuit) for ignition will have full diagnostics on the driver itself. So, if the driver is not being commanded on by the pre-driver, but the output is on (being pulled low) then the PCM should be able to report status (PID) or fault (DTC) on this circuit. This is helpful if you want repair the module yourself (replace a shorted IGBT) or if you want to send the module out for repair. Also, we are assuming that there is not issue with the connector pins, either corrosion or a bent pin on the module side.
If you look at the battery for this vehicle, if not original, many times it will look small compared to the room available on the battery tray. This is because the original battery was actually a special sub-category of the group size (special meaning high output) which is no longer available. The closest battery to the original available is actually one made for a BMW. I know for a fact that the battery replacement listing for AAA in their look-up roadside cross reference is the wrong battery. With the vehicle stand time less than two weeks and expected life or about 4 months.
Interesting solving real life mysteries . God Bless !!!
That's AWESOME! Due to my own lack of experience, I would have replaced the coil since their wasn't any spark from it, thinking it was the internal short....(I admit, I have been humbled, again...lol..)
Nice to see you hold your own against those two...👍 Looking forward to seeing some payback...😉
He smashed it out the park, live Diag, under scrutiny, timed, at near midnight. 5⭐ Diag from Ivan.
That's a cool tool, you guys are up late and wow. Record time in diagnosis. That was interesting as well. Thanks for the step by step procedure with your commentary. It all made sense. :)
Man this one one of the coolest videos ive seen in a while. U guys should do more like this when u have an extra few mins. Very entertaining and also great job ivan. U nailed it bud
Glad you liked it Dylan! Didn't really plan it that way, Keith and Steve just decided to put me on the spot haha. Maybe this can be a new format...diagnostics with a stop watch ;)
Love that automatic breaker, unplug the suspect coil tower
That collaboration was awesome! Brilliant cheers sandy
Very Nice. That Pulsar is a nice tool. For now I just have my clamp meter and homemade fused wire loop and a bucket of fuses. I've been trying to talk myself into one of those circuit breaker fuses but I haven't done it yet. I don't get to do as much troubleshooting as I'd like and video like this are super helpful learning experiences.
Was thinking the same thing about a circuit breaker since I'm not a mech any fancy tools outside of a scope and amp clamp wouldn't be worth my needs. Not sure even that would be necessary since it was blowing the fuse we knew current was high and a short to ground was suspect. I wonder if the coil had anything to do with it frying though and would be hesitant to slap a new computer in without checking everything on that circuit. As a dyi person my main goal is to save money and not use spendy tools if I can.
Thinking out loud, love it ,excellent
Ivan, you make the difference between a "mechanic" / parts changer and a real technician that does a proper trouble shooting diagnostic. Any other shop will say you need coil pack, spark plug, wires and a PCM.
Well they already replaced the coil pack and plug wires...then they called Keith haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 😆 you proof my point. I rest my case.
Awesome! Aw inspiring to see so many of your talents come together as one in this video and of course the diagnosis was on point as always. Thanks for sharing again!
You sir ..... are Awesome! I knew you'd like that tool 😉
New Level Auto come on then Keith..... how long did it take you 😉😉
@@JBTaylor86 7 minutes , but I didn't have to make video 😉
New Level Auto absolute machine 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
After this diag, I want a Pulsar in my toolbox for sure :)
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics I’ve wanted one ever since I see a videos of Keith’s a long time back...... can’t seem to get one in the UK 😫😫
Nice.. it's like a game show version... tic tic tic tic... lol.
Get to see the Pulsar tool in action too! 😊😍
Oh man I was on the timer for this one haha! Actually that's a pretty good idea for a game show, Cuba ;)
I got carted away when Eric O went live... but returning to finish this.... hahaha "because, Staten Island" lol. Ahhh the case studies. Not bad... pinpointed an issue rather quickly.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics wow! Less than 30 mns! What a brain Ivan!! I love it! Logic for the WIN!! 😊😊🤗🤗👏👏👏
@@CubasAutomotive - Whatever time it takes Ivan to diagnose, you can multiply that by 20 for me, and that should be in the ballpark. 🤣🤣
@@SmittySmithsonite lol... I'm probably the same as you Smitty! 😅😅😂😂😂 I 'want' to be on the same geek level as Ivan, believe me!! 🤓🤓🤓
Another great video Ivan! No real pressure. You worked right thru it and found the culprit. I gotta find that Pulsar. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you, sir 🙏 for these videos. They help me so much. My fuse #15 keeps blowing. Every time I start the car .I looked at my transmission controller module plug ,and some of my wires were down to bear wire and touching. I'm now trying to figure out where the short is now ?
I was thinking maybe a pin issue. When plugging in a bent pin. That would be the only other possibility. Nice vid!!
Outstanding diag under pressure!
I was wondering if when you unplug that connector at the PCM is that the same connector is powering up the coil side of the asd relay and now de energize no current flow unless I miss some thing in your testing, nice to see 3 great teachers .
Test light was connected straight to B+ so testing a direct short to ground :)
Great job. Wish I could get that pulsar tool. Wondered it is not sold anymore
Already looking forward to next year!
Well done Ivan!!!!
you guys are amazing techs. hats off to you all.
I followed what you did. I think the grounding in the pcm can pass 6 amps but not all circuits can do this? In the old days the device was always grounded to the frame and the on switch was before the load. Today, since there is voltage drop through the load, the Pcm can more easily handle the reduced current.
They do low side switching because NMOS FETs are cheap and easy to drive. Current does not change by moving the switching point.
Ivan, this video is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome diagnostic work
Keith
Is Incredible
Yoda tests the Padawan youngling to determine if he's worthy enough to be a Jedi. Ivan, you know that's what this was all about don't you?
That's so awesome you have friends like that where you can learn and have some fun doing this I'm so jelly lol.
outstanding Diag. Keith with his smile. 👍👍👍👍
That pulsar is really cool, lots of great feature. I’m guessing a vantage pro would work too changing a few fuses maybe.
So, it's been a while, and I'd love someone to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong... Weren't there two coilpack designs on the Chrysler 4s of that era, and weren't they wired differently? I feel like I've seen this before, replace the coil, wrong connector, get new connector, power and control are swapped, takes out PCM driver?
Good point, I did not know that tricky trick.
Would it be worth it to check and see how if coils are operating normally before calling it a fix? I remember an old case study on the South Main channel where a Caravan's misbehaving coil killed the PCM and probably wasn't far off from damaging the good PCM Eric O. put in it. These cases are probably mostly unrelated outside of correlating Chrysler product of this vintage + ignition-related problem + damaged PCM, but it does make you think. Well done under pressure.
Test known good coil.
Check wiring for short to ground
extreme pressure when you know keith is there starring at you... i'm sure he got a kick out of it.lol
What's another tool/setup to use that would be like the pulsar? Circuit breaker where the fuse goes
Your videos are so interesting to watch. Ivan, you are no buddies fool to.say the least. Your knowledge and analytical method is amazing. Is a new PCM pricey??
Cool video. Another vote for the Pulsar Mk2 to be manufactured 👍
Buy a pulsar. But a pulsar. You know you want to. $300 is only 60 Dunkin coffees. Nice demo and video, thanks.
Great video!! What would the recommended testing device if one didn't have the pulsar?
Why didn't you test the 3rd harness wires that goes to the coil with the harness disconnected from the pcm? Couldn't there have been a short to ground in the wire?
That would just melt the coil, not blow the fuse :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ah, I didn't know there was an ignition coil on that circuit until I looked up the wiring diagram. Thanks! You are amazing!
So would you just put in a PCM or see if you can find what killed the driver in the PCM. Could that crappy coil have caused the PCM to fail. Just seems scary to replace the PCM without knowing if something caused it to fail.
Of course the plugs, wires, and new coil would need to be checked to avoid burning up another PCM :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Hope you weren't thinking I was being a smart ass. I just didn't thin k you could check the coil without having a the new PCM installed to periodically apply the ground, and at that point it could fry it again. I just didn't get how you could check that stuff without the new PCM being installed and at risk for another failure.
Great job you guys, loved watching it!!!
very good diagnosis!
You can do it Ivan
Where can I get that tool
You're awesome 👍
Was that a TIPM with a replaceable fuel pump relay??? It seems like I've done a bunch of intergrated FPR's bypasses. I must not work on enough Mopars.
that one was fun hey guys where can you get the pulsar?
Good job diagnosing. You show those boys who's boss. Lol
Double THUMBS UP!
Probably a burned output transistor in the PCM.
Next question, what caused it to fail?
Most likely a shorted ignition coil!
I would love to do stuff like this with you guys, sadly I think it would have took me longer to get there! Maybe 28 days rather than 28 minutes 😂
Where is the link to the tool for purchase or even the full name?
www.toolsource.com/misc-c-318/pulsar-current-limitter-reader-parastic-draw-p-154885.html
What was that, less than 30 minutes 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Just goes to show Ivan doesn't really need a fancy pulsar, just a good old fashioned Bulb and as Bodgit would say Sorted.
Amazing. Well done Ivan!
We have been having TONS of problems with chrysler pcms here. Our problem is that we can program the pcms but we cant get pin numbers from the dealer anymore. We are a transmission shop and 50% of their trans problems are pcms.
Luv the process of elimination. But wait. Is there still one more check before condemning the PCM.
Computer grounds?
Actually I retract that as if the PCM was looking for a ground the amperage would have remained on the other circuits.
Great Job Ivan to stay the course with those guys looking on.
Ivan, what bulbs are you using in the 5amp test lite and how is it wired? Love the videos.
Thanks Dave! The custom PHAD test light is a trade secret haha. Should I market this to the public?
Did you ever purchase that tool for yourself?
Initial guess; plugged fuel tank fuel pump screen/filters. I'm thinking the fuel rail pressure sensor says that the pressure is low. PCM powers up the tank fuel pump but the fuel filter is plugged. The same sequence loops until the fuse blows.
Simplest fix. Replace fuse, pull fuse, replace vehicle, re-insert new fuse. Whoalah Particimo. Repair complete.
The method.,nice !