SamuraiGuitarist: *makes a video on the most divisive political topic in the news atm* Comment Section: *fiercely debates the merits of fade out songs endings*
I'm actually kind of glad the comment isn't talking about that, Sammy G is completely right, but considering how popular Rogan is I was afraid the comments would be a shitshow, somehow it's not
I think it has been run into the ground, plus what SG said was thoughtful enough. I dont see it 100% the same as he does but I have no issue at all with his take.
Fun fact: SRV switched back to regular strings after he got clean from cocaine. Once he could actually feel his fingers while he was playing, he didn't enjoy the difficulty of playing with huge strings anymore.
I used to think fade outs were cop outs but now I think they can communicate really cool ideas: In a lot of Beatles songs (Helter Skelter, Hey Jude, All You Need is Love) they're used to amplify the anthemic aspect of the song, it basically says "this can go on forever, we just don't have enough tape to record it forever". On the other hand, songs like "The Chain", "Ashes to Ashes" and "In the Air Tonight" use it to represent a similar endlessness, but a more restless one, of being stuck in a negative mental state that just goes on and on without chance for escape. And then there's Gustav Holt's "Neptune" which ends with a fade out (physically done live by putting the last musicians in a separate room and gradually closing the doors) to represent the extraordinary distance from us of what was at the time the farthest known astral body in our solar system.
Personally would add that while I do think fade outs can work when they're done for a deliberate reason, I think it's very easy to tell when they're not. If there's no artistic reason to have it fade out, I'd certainly rather the experience of listening to what's meant to be a "definitive" recorded version of a song be as close as possible to hearing it live.
Wow I can't believe someone actually mentioned Gustav Holst on here. "Neptune" is easily the best out of all the movements and the fade out contributes quite a lot to that (along with the dissonance that goes throughout the entire piece). Glad to see someone acknowledging Holst's work!
Lol, did I post that as a reply? I know I started writing it here but I meant to make it its own comment. ...wonder how that happened... The other one's here, too... maybe when I hit one "send" button it posted both? Anyway, I apologize for that. Never meant to double-post.
@@SplotchTheCatThing I've actually had that happen before as well, seems to be a bug on TH-cam's side. I was replying to the original commentor though, just so you're not confused
@@cedricrickdelsol9767 Oh, I didn't think you were talking to me. I was just wondering why I was getting a notification for a thread I hadn't meant to post in.
I'm usually not much a fan of fade-out endings, but occasionally they're just what a song calls for. As with all things, they are a tool that can do great things or terrible things, depending on the application.
This is such a milquetoast, fence-sitting opinion to have. I'm baffled as to why you even thought it was worth sharing. No duh, things sound good when applied correctly and bad when not.
@@nope-z5y You think wrong. I get plenty of them. Comes with having a loving family. Although, it's pretty reductive to passive-aggressively ostracize someone who you assume is deprived of affection. That doesn't solve anything, wouldn't you agree? Why perpetuate an individual's struggle?
Rogan is not a news organization, nor does he claim to be an expert. If he is going to get held to such standards, actual news organizations need to start being held to the same standard.
No, news organizations need to be held to a way higher standard. They are supposed to bring information, but it is harder to trust them as time goes by and we found out how much they lie. At least Joe Rogan doesn't lie, he makes mistakes. News channels lie and know they lie. Anyways, cheers from France mate! 🍻
@@DarthWinterMadness you can tell Samurai guitarist doesn't actually listen to Rogan because if he did He would realize his whole thing is speaking with people he may not agree with and trying to find common ground and is very happy to call people on BS if he feels like it is. What everyone seems to have forgotten in our country you collect Info on things and decide for yourself what to believe but most people just listen to FOX or CNN because its easier. This is why I don't Watch this clown any more he's a far left Ideologue like his pal Adam Neely (you remember the guy who had a Antisemitic Professor on saying some wild things on a "music" channel) People like this don't give a damn about free speech, your not in the club and don't deserve a voice, they want you to shut up and do what you're told. Well you know what? why don't you stick to playing guitar, your way out of you're depth in the political world...
My biggest problem with songs with fade outs is trying to figure out how to end them when performing them live. It's kinda a pain to have to rewrite the ending just so we can actually play it
@Jack I feel like that's a massive gray area especially when you go into cover band territory. Sometimes you get lucky and the band plays the song that fades out on the recording live so you know how to end it, but other times you just gotta be a little creative, and that's where the magic happens baby
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Issac Asimov
@@mikefloyd3152 And this comment perfectly proves the point. Choosing comforting ignorance over knowledgeable leaders that might let you feel dumb. It's like peeing in your pants - sure it's immediately warmer, but... Lots of people don't even try to think what will be after this initial warmth. You know, that there was systematic hate towards intellectuals in USSR in 70's? There is a good example of what will happen if you do so. “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill.
@@marismikitis this was all so revealing wasnt it, imagine being so dim?? its like theyve put dumb in the water or sumn. the saddest part is that they seem to LOVE it
I think most of the songs on The Queen is Dead fade out and that really changed my perspective on it. Some of the grooves on that album are so cacophonous and catchy that it's hard to imagine them ending abruptly. It's almost like those melodic and complex Johnny Marr riffs go on forever which is kinda beautiful.
Have you ever thought about all the different ways there are to end a song? Especially if you don't know how a song ends while playing?. There's a couple TH-cam Jazz channels I listen to where EVERY song ends by slowing down suddenly and holding out the last note. Live rock bands taking requests often just go crazy on their instruments when they don't know how a song ends. Just a random thought I had while you were discussing fade outs. Rock on, sir 🤘
I always make sure to write good endings for my songs or my band's songs because of it Nothing drives me crazy quite like a record that only has fadeouts. Several Aerosmith songs have endings but just...FADE OUT. Sweet emotion for example, it's an epic Joe Perry solo that just fades out.
One of my favorites is the trashcan ending. It’s exactly what you think it is. They go bonkers on, like, an A chord and you have at least one guitar player shredding over that A until they’re all just playing dozens of diamonds with the drummer on his or her cymbals. Kinda like “this is the last one! Honest! Would we lie to you? Play, one more”. 😛
On the note of fade outs, the one on Tom Sawyer really bugs me. You can hear Neil Peart still hitting awesome drum fills as it’s fading out, but we can’t hear them clearly. The ending when they played it live was so much better.
I find it funny that Joni and Niel refuse to share a platform with Joe Rogan but they were more than happy to share a platform with R.Kelly, Chris Brown etc.
That’s a bit apples & oranges, where they both are fruits with rotten bits, but Joni and Niels concerns are about one type spreading info/ideas to easily influenced masses through their content on the platform. The phys/sexual abusers require direct legal consequences, and it’s unrelated to their work/content.
@@MaxMason-nn7gv at the end of the day Niel Young's music is owned by a company named blackstone that is run by none other than an ex-pfizer CEO. The money trail always comes back to pfizer and the only reason Niel is upset about this situation is because daddy pfizer told him to be. Also I wouldn't say their sexual abuse is unrelated to their music as most of their music is misogynistic and degrading towards women and the overall message of thier music is that women are sexual objects. Plus you can find neo-nazi music on spotify in which they spread info and ideas to easily influenced people and groups of people, hateful and evil info and ideas aswell mind you.
That was one of the most thoughtful, empathetic and succinct descriptions of the misinformation problem the world is experiencing at the moment. On par, if not better than many other social commentary or political based channels/articles. Nice one Sammy G!
On fade outs, there was a thing in the 80s where the studio version would fade out, but the live song would have bit extra. It made the live version feel even more special. Gary Moore’s Empty Rooms was a good example.
Be like Helter skelter, fade out and fade back in! But for real, my music teacher was a firm believer that even if you fade out you still end the song. My fav examples of this are bohemian rhapsody and new slang by the shins. Fade outs aren't the bad part anyway, it's when radio stations cut off the song when it's only like 1 dB lower. But that's nothing in comparison to the true crime of talking over the intros until the lyrics start..... smh
The fade out that sticks out to me is Rhiannon by Fleetwood Mac. Stevie is about to go hard with the final verse but they fade out just when she starts it. Although makes it all the better when you listen to the live version!
I just hate the "I don't need education, I have experience," thing. Experience is what you learn from your mistakes. Education is what you learn from other peoples mistakes. Balance in all things, and there is more to balance than not falling over.
It’s hard to have a lot of experience without having gained knowledge about the world around you. Truth is, there is no need for a FORMAL education in most topics these days. You can get well educated without attending to a university.
Well, the impact you've had on me is pretty remarkable. I've given up on my "dream" of being a decent guitar player several times now, but then you do another video that gets the wheels in my head turning, and I end up giving up on giving up on myself. Between the music theory, the how-to videos and these HUFO videos reignight the passion for me pretty much every single time. Thank you for what you do.
Beethoven and ZZ Top, not a bad start. My folks said when I was a kid they had the original broadway soundtrack to Jesus Christ Superstar and I would groove out like crazy. Still got the album actually.
I don't see it as a censorship issue, rather it's the moral issue of paying someone huge amounts of money for putting out a lot of bad information. In turn, Spotify gets a huge amount of money for putting out a lot of bad information (or so I assume). Chances are, no ones is going to even see this message.
ZZ Top was one of my favorite bands when I was your sons age! Make sure he has access to Tres Hombres and Stevie Ray Vaughan Live At the El Macombo as he grows up.
Lots of people (like myself) challenge the experts with what other experts say. Unfortunately science most all pharmacological studies are funded from two sources and they have an interest to not bite the hand that feeds them and that’s where an inaccurate consensus can be reached. I wish I could just instantly trust something because 1,500 scientists agree because that’s how it should be but often these scientists are just nodding their heads at something handed down from on high. It’s obnoxiously easy to lie with statistics. The politics of doing science is disgusting. Having to go to this dinner and that dinner and talking with this person and that person and fake laughing your way into funding is soul crushing. (So I’m told)
I like your comment on tying self worth into into these ideas though. I self audit enough that I’m very open to having my mind changed and not have it damage my ego but I do see a lot of people who act like you spit in their face when you politely offer rebuttal or a comment. Folks on all sides of these issues who have dug their heals in and won’t budge and inch are strangely fragile.
Science itself is not political. However, when you apply science to society and the world at large is is very much about politics. This is why we hear the name Thomas Edison and not Nikola Tesla. Tesla was weak "ego-wise" and didn't think it was fruitful to be engaged in politics, he later regretted it and realized Edison fucked him over.
I can understand not trusting studies by corporations or pharmaceutical companies sure, but there aren’t only corporate studies there are other peer reviewed studies and a medical consensus on the issue as well as plenty of independent studies. There will always be a few grifters in the minority of experts, if someone can tell you water is poison to sell you there snake oil they will. Even if the medical consensus is water is safe they don’t care, they just say big pharmacy pushes drinking water cause conspiracy.
Nikola Tesla is taught in history in schools today, same with the fact that Thomas Edison stole inventions. While also having his last name be part of the first innovation of the electric vehicle, Thomas Edison really didn’t fuck over Tesla as much as he did other inventors. My point is those who actually learned about Thomas Edison knew that he wasn’t a good person and that most of his work was flawed even then it’s easier to remember bad people then good.
It’s great to hear your thoughts on some controversial stuff! Your thoughts about anti-expertism are something I’ve also observed but you explained it with the eloquence and nuance that I never could! Keep up the good work ❤️ Also would love to know your thoughts on the new RHCP song
If they feel obliged to pull their music, it is their right. If Spotify wants to censor or fire Rogan, it is their right as a private company. Though, the hypocrisy of these artists disgusts me. Neil Young proudly joins up with Apple, a company that has caused more damage to more people in a week than Rogan could cause in 5 life times. This is a right vs left issue. There is no proof that Rogan has damaged anyone with the information of a COUPLE of his guests. It's manufactured outrage. He's too big and too popular and certain people and groups in this country can't have that. All that being said, it was nice to avoid this bullshit from my favorite non-political content creators for a while...
In the end its dangerous to give a platform to people who clearly spread misinformation. Even if they "just want to interview people from both sides". If it comes to Covid there is really only one side that makes sense and doesnt put millions in danger. And thats going the way our governments are going.
@@metalpuppet5798 It's dangerous to restrict the free exchange of ideas. It's also dangerous to blindy trust the government when historically, they have a horrible track record at keeping the best interests of the people at heart. Just look at North Korea to see what you can make people believe when you restrict the free exchange of ideas.
@@keyboardmamma this isnt about the government or politics. This is about factual situations in our health care systems/hospitals. I dont listen to politics or media. I listen to doctors and nurses who have put themselves through life threatening situations every single day for two years now to safe unvaccinated idiots. Those same idiots have caused thousands of vaccinated people to not get treatment in time for other things. NO ONE has the right to just rule over peoples lives like that
The Spotify discussion... It's like being on two different planets talking to my musician friends about it versus talking to my Joe Rogan friends about it. Interesting topic, it's spurred some great discussions with my friends, and that's all I'll say about it here.
@@DanielHermannMusic You mean you don't? Sounds like you're living in an echo chamber. I'm not saying to upend your world view. I'm saying that you should at least seek to challenge it.
@@CristiNeagu Imo, Rogan tends to attract a certain kind of viewer, which are people I usually dont get along with that well (not talking about political views as much as just personality). There's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't necessarily mean me or the other commenter are in an echo chamber
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this hot issue! I think the deeper issues are really important to hear. Speaking as a tiny indie musician, I think that the issues affecting tiny indie musicians are a bit different from the ones that affect big name musicians with a 50-year catalogue of major label releases, like Joni and Neil. I had only one album on Spotify-a folk CD whose fans are in the dozens, not the millions. So I'm in a completely different world than Neil and Joni, and probably even a completely different world than you, now that music is the biggest part of your professional life. Even so, there are maybe MORE reasons why the smallest of the small fish should be taking a critical look at Spotify and reconsidering how much we want to support and stand behind their model. For what it's worth, as much as they say small-timers like me can't afford to abandon Spotify the way that millionaires like Neil Young can... well, I did it because it was right, not because it was moneymaking move. And even so, my little album has earned more in the last WEEK on Bandcamp than it earned in THREE YEARS of streaming on Spotify. They pay indies so, so little, and people out there who like indie music ARE willing to support it directly if you give them the chance. [shameless plug: check me out on Bandcamp if you support the little guys throwing in their hat with the big rockstars too.] Glad you enjoyed "Get Back" too. It was an incredible experience, and if anything I'm glad they didn't make a more mainstream commercial film out of it. Just restore the footage, as it was, and get out of the way of the magic.
It should be criminal how little Spotify pays their artists. Even Apple Music pays more. If you’re paying your artists even less than Apple, king of profit margins, then something has gone horribly wrong. There’s definitely more than one reason to boycott Spotify lol. Thanks for your input.
Joe giving a platform to people who spread misinformation is just wrong and it should be pointed out. And if thats done by boycotting Spotify then so be it.
You obviously didn't listen to the Rogan podcasts that were the cause of the controversy. The two people who he interviewed, were experts, one of whom invented the vaccine technology.
@Nick Vondo He holds nine patents in regard to this technology. Do some actual research not just parrot the misinformation lots of sites like Shitipedia put up. Makes him enough of an expert that his opinion is at least worth listening to and considering. I do not buy into the 'scientic consensus' stuff; after all those hundred scientists in the 30's in Germany that said Einstein was wrong re GT of Relativity were correct because there were 100 of them, right?
The man’s obvious intelligence and his resume are more than enough reason to at least listen to what he has to say. Calling him an outlier and relegating his opinion to that of a typical conspiracy nut did seem to show Sami didn’t watch the podcast. Just sayin.
Why is Spotify paying Rogan? Because of money. They are making a ton from his show. If they made more from old ass hippy musicians they would cancel Rogan. Everything is about money, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, insurance, you name it. Nothing in this world is about making the world better. It’s about making more money.
They certainly have the right to have their music removed from spotify and humanity has the right to listen to those famous and heavily published physicians.
@@ogcpw4746 it's hilarious that you think that the establishment are doctors and researchers, and not the millionaires and billionaires trying to convince everyone science is bullshit so they stop pushing for national healthcare and fixing climate change.
Robert Malone doesn’t have a perfect track record, but nor do any of the talking heads on CNN, MSNBC etc. Take some time to fact check the alarmists and then preach about Joe Rogan’s “responsibility.”
Yes and I feel society at large just wants an intelligent debate from both sides. The debate Arena is supposed to be a good clean fight where truth wins, thus we all win. But too many on all sides just degrade to passive aggressive character smears. Respect needs to be brought back into society.
If it’s demonstrably false. Putting out misinformation hurts people, which violates their freedoms. “Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my face begins.” Additionally, private companies can do whatever they want. When you’re on the side of “s-so what if everything I say is factually incorrect? Free speech!!!” Then you might want to rethink some of your positions.
@@Lingboysc2 things are rarely so clearly correct or incorrect. So just like the OP said, who gets to decided what’s demonstrably correct or not? Take a look at Russia under Putin. Putin won’t allow news organizations to refer to Russia’s invasion as an invasion. Don’t be on the side of totalitarians and authoritarians. Be on the side of freedom. People may say things we disagree with but that is not a punch to the face. Words are not violence.
I have always believed that people have a pretty good B.S. meter built in to them. I just dont believe in silencing people who have whacked out ideas that are different than mine. And about 50 years ago neither did Mr. Young…. Amazing how people change
@@creamwobbly Perhaps silencing is the wrong word to use. De platform maybe ? Anyway neither Mr. Rogan or Mr.Young , need me defending them. They are both far too successful in their chosen fields of endeavor. Rock On and Peace Out
Hi Sammy G, just hearing you said in this video that you work out of your basement - please make sure your home has been tested (and re-tested every few years) for Radon - it's a big risk for those of us spending a lot of time in our basements. Wishing you the best of health and happiness!
ok, thank you for that pre-Rogan rant, because it echoed many of the same thoughts I've had over the last few years. I don't blame people for being skeptical of "mainstream media" (more specifically news outlets like CNN and FOX), but then their main source of information becomes shows like... Info Wars? or Real Time? and they don't think to question a single thing that gets said on *those* programs? and those are only two examples; this kind of "hear now, think never" attitude is all over TH-cam and Facebook, and it's disturbing. on a lighter note, the fade-out of The Joker by Steve Miller Band is bizarre. seriously, he's doing one last verse, which is a call-back to the first two verses, and about halfway through it just fades out into nothing! why?! also, one of the songs on Omar Rodriguez-Lopez's solo album Calibration (Is Pushing Luck And Key Too Far) has this big fade-out... and then fades back in again. why? who the hell knows, it's the Mars Volta guy, do you really expect him to do anything normal?😁
I find it kind of funny that the artists pulling out, are the same ones that got famous pushing contrarian beliefs during the 60s. Problem, imo, is that research needs funding. And the entities funding the research gets to decide what field to fund. This brings unbalance to objective "truth" and you'll get a majority opinion thats not necessarilly based in objective "truth". NOT saying that Dr.Malone got it right in this case. But doing my fair share of reading peer reviewed articles i can state that hes not alone holding these "contrarian" beliefs.. My five cents. Peace and love
I never liked fadeouts because I used to think that they cut me off of a really cool jam, but then I listened to the actual ending of Grateful Dead's Doin That Rag and changed my mind
lol the live ending does kinda suck. I feel like the end section is a cool darker counterpart to the main song, and so it's weird going back into that major sounding part
@@justinmau8119 exactly! I think the 68 mix also has that. But, god, not only it flips back to major, but that cheesy harmony (Phil Lesh's part makes me burst out laughing just by thinking about it)
I was so hoping that you would start fading out while talking about fade outs, then you'd come back to answer the last question. Good enough for Zeppelin...
I dig your breakdown of the controversy, and agree with pretty much all of it. As for fade outs, there are only two ways to end a song so I like the variety. Some end on a statement, and some drift on "forever". My band mates and I don't have too much trouble coming up with endings to fade-out songs, and it even allows us a little creativity.
Guess the music industry has turned into the PMRC, now they’re the the ones calling for censorship Edit: I’ve never listened to any joe rogan podcasts but I just hate the censorship.
“If you want to challenge the expert consensus, you at least have the same knowledge of the subject as they do”. I have two issues with that statement: Firstly, that is an unquantifiable standard. Nobody has “the same” knowledge of anything as anyone else. And secondly, and more importantly, you don’t need to know everything about a specific subject to make a judgement call about those who are “experts” on said subject. In my personal experience, information that I question isn’t due to the face value of the information, but rather the sources that it comes from, which have been wrong, and outright lied in the past. If the same information came from what I deemed to be a credible source, I would be more likely to take it as a good faith attempt at truth. This doesn’t come down to education. It comes down to common sense, and a healthy skepticism in a world full of liars.
Crazy - Aerosmith fade out is a great one. It feels like it lends itself to the idea of a song about a woman that you can't seem to shake. She drives you crazy with no real resolution; just raw emotion
Fade outs can be good sometimes. Especially when the concept of the song is about a permanent thing, like the never ending grief of losing someone you love or when it's about something that's happening over and over again and seems to never stop, like being trapped in a time loop
Who says musicians are not academics... Nice job man, I really like the way you lay down your thoughts on the table and explain your reasoning. Not to mention your awesome guitar playing! Keep it up man
I don't mind fadeouts in general and I love the fadeout of "Southern Streamline" by John Fogerty. It makes me feel like the imaginary camera thats following my car stops in its tracks and films me driving into the sunset with this tune on, absolute beast of a roadtrip song! Same goes for "Hot Rod Heart" off the same album.
It's so cool how your eyes are shining when you're talking about your kid... and the "look after yourselves/each other/the planet" ending shows how much fatherhood makes people mellower (in a VERY good way, the world really needs more of that and less hate). Thank you and keep bringing good content as always, Ol' Sammy G!
The most interesting effect of the Neil Young/Joni Mitchell decision is that oh so many people started listening to the JRE... And they love it. Which makes me happy. Very. :)
It’s a good show! Interesting conversations with interesting people. The fact that Mr Young chose to attack a differing opinion says a lot about his views and personal politics. Fitting, since Covid is all about politics and money, after all. It’s more than a little insulting that Mr Young would try to control what I hear and see. It’s sad that after the media blitz of Covid propaganda, and the amount of time and money spent pushing it, that the house of cards still feels so fragile that he needs to attack one man’s opinion. Maybe that man’s opinion holds enough credibility, to actually make people think for themselves. That’s the real danger, isn’t it Neil?
I don't generally like fade outs, but one of my favorite songs is Hotel California, and I prefer the fade out on the studio version than the finish they did on live shows.
Was Neil Young an expert on the Kent State shootings? Or his views on the ‘southern man’ as a Canadian. Do these artists truly want censorship or just censorship of alternative viewpoints? (I’m not a Rogan fan or follower)
12:55 is so wholesome 🥺 my 6yo daughter, not a baby, loves Lorna Shore, Spiritbox, and ERRA these days 😂 When she was 3 she loved RHCP and would sing Can’t Stop and Dosed in the car 😊
Neil Young lost all credibility when he sold his songs to “Blackstone” (the private equity firm who’s senior advisor is the former head of Pfizer) for $150 million. But yeah, Neil’s looking out for the little guy🙄
This times a fucking million. Also, the "oVeRwHeLmiNg CONseNsuS" is brought to you by pfizer. Why did they want 75 years to release the data? Something to do with mortality rates in the test vs placebo group? Hmmmmm 🙄
I was taken back to the movie "Idiocracy" when I complimented a person for being very smart that they must of been a very swotty student in school, and they didn't know what it meant and assume that it was sexual or something bad, and ask that I not use big words as it made people uncomfortable. We have reach a point that knowledge is now uncomfortable, that it going further than just Covid research, or CRT racial history, and the cancel culture, all because I think is because of our school system. Trying to be smart use to be a cool thing to do. Whenever I read a book, I always had my dictionary at my side in case I need to look up a word that I didn't know. Today its so freaking easy to right click on the word and google it. The internet is a vast library of knowledge, and maybe its too much? I agree that the answer is make schools much better place for a healthier society.
5:16 That's the problem right there. Because this is a public health concern, we must let the experts argue the fine details of this, which is not happening in society today. All you get to hear about is the particular experts someone who is not an expert has approved. You do not get to hear from ALL the infectious disease and immunology experts out there. You only get to hear from the experts that say the things certain people in power want to hear. *_And that is precisely WHY we need people with large outreach like Joe Rogan to give a voice to experts that have been excluded on ideological grounds._* Science does not follow popular opinion. It follows the evidence.
@@isaacmorrow7077 I would listen to my doctor if he were to give me a medical opinion, not a political one he is paid and coerced to give. It would be great if experts of all fields were allowed to have debates and sort out important problems through science and reason so all of us laypeople could get on with our lives and read the TL;DR when they're done. But since that debate is not happening and governments are colluding with big tech to make sure it does not happen, then it is left to us commoners to do our own research and figure it out. Wish that weren't the case, but it is. These days you have only two choices: do your own research or swallow the propaganda and lies. Your choose your path. I already chose mine.
@@CristiNeagu The fact that your doctor gives you political advise because he is paid to do so means that he failed his Hippocratic oath and can't be called doctor any more. The fact that you still call him your doctor means that you can't find better one. And that means that some part of country really has no doctors, just paid political advertisers. Or maybe you are telling bad things about your doctor because he has different opinion on subject matter than you. That makes me wonder if you are not a member of "anti-expertism" tribe. This is enforced by you saying that "governments are colluding with big tech". Such a bold, yet overly general claim. In either way - this is sad. I assume this kind of situation most probably comes from United States of Freedom. If so - hello from the other side of pond. In Europe news from 'Merica are considered the best reality show.
@@marismikitis _"That makes me wonder if you are not a member of "anti-expertism" tribe."_ That's rich. So here we are, two years later, with the receipts to show that the medical system in multiple countries has cheated and lied to their patients, and that is your conclusion? Well, it makes me wonder if you're not a member of the "anti-thinker" tribe... _"Such a bold, yet overly general claim."_ In light of what you just said I would suggest that you do a bare minimum of research before you talk about a topic. Both in the US and in Europe this collusion is obvious. Big Tech is censoring all content that is critical of the established state doctrine. A few years ago, when the EU parliament elections were going on, social media was actually censoring campaign pages for certain candidates because they subscribed to the wrong ideology. Right now social media is supressing all the news about the multitude of major protests all over North America and Europe. And you think it's a "bold, yet overly general claim"? i am really starting to wonder about you and those anti-thinkers. _"I assume this kind of situation most probably comes from United States of Freedom. If so - hello from the other side of pond."_ Lol, you have no idea. America has been luckier than most. At least there you could still get some frowned upon proven treatments, unlike in most of Europe, where people aren't even told there is treatment. In Austria today you have a complete abandonment of human rights, and yet the health care system isn't speaking out and are just going along with it. _"In Europe news from 'Merica are considered the best reality show."_ Yes, because most Europeans no longer have any idea what it means to be free or to fight for your freedom. They are happy to sit in their little cages just like their governments have told them. No need to think about it because the experts already did and they'll tell us what to think. They would never deceive us. Why would they? It's not like there's billions and billions of euros in the game. It's not like politicians want to stay in power. It's not like we've ever been deceived before, despite the news coming out every day, which I refuse to read.
I just gotta say, your response on the Spotify kerfuffle is one of the most well-thought out and respectful views I’ve seen on the whole thing. I actually like to listen to Rogan’s podcast while working, but I, like the vast majority of people take what I hear with a grain of salt, especially with regards to COVID. Joe just likes to talk to people, and he’s said it himself he’s no expert, and he never asked for the responsibility bestowed upon him by the size of his show. I understand both sides of the argument, as free speech should let you say what you want to who you want, but it also lets you decide who or what you want to protest, it goes both ways. Here in the states, all we ever see is one side calling the other one stupid, with no willingness to understand the other. I wish we had more thinkers like you, SammyG. Thank you for bringing an insightful opinion to the table.
Young and Mitchell are free to do what they want, but I can't support them wanting to shut down someone's free speech by giving ultimatum like that. If you don't like it, just remove your songs don't make threats. Also, isn't it ironic that these boomer musicians who used to rally against the system and support freedom are now opposes speech and supports the system? I guess it shows they really were only looking out for their own interests.
Just a really lovely and cogent expression of the challenges around some of the emotional and human cognitive problems that underpin our growing problem of misinformation and polarization. Super impressive, sir.
I definitely don't like when the fade out occurs during a guitar solo. Little wing for example. I don't know if live versions were longer, but that solo is way too short. Or Rosanna by Toto. Or Fade to black by Metallica. But this one is different because the solo already reached a "climax". But I get it when the songs fade out in order to give flow to the album, like TOCCC by Moody Blues or Boston debut. People like to say that you could figure it out to end the song on your own way. No only that is difficult, but in the case of some songs you just don't know how to end properly. Listen to I talk to the wind by King Crimson. The song fades out and cut directly into Epitaph, so you can understand why. The whole song has this relaxing pace that would make it hard to give it a proper final.
People should be allowed to share their beliefs. That's literally what it means to coexist. I'd also like to add that the people on Joe Rogan's podcast are doctors and I love sammy G but he is a guitar player, not a doctor. So for him to say that people who have PhD's know nothing and ge knows everything is a little unfair. Not saying what they said is correct, seeing as I myself am not a doctor, but they have the right to share their opinion since they are actually experts.
A "doctor" who spreads misinformation about a vaccine that is proven to already have saved millions is not a doctor. This guy has never seen an actual Covid ward from the inside and he has never actually treated Covid patients. If he would have done that he would have seen that these wards are still completely overwhelmed and the ones causing this are pretty much only unvaccinated people
The only fade out I love is when it’s at the end of an album that i just listened to, start to finish. But I don’t know many new albums that I can listen through start to finish.
Do you remember the 90s when reality TV was everywhere and was parodied with ridiculous situations and the world was like “that’ll never happen.” It’s just drama. I bet Apple Music will have Neil Young exclusively on their platform. All I’m really saying is everyone young and old knows who Joe Rogan and Neil Young is and I bet his catalog ( that he sold last year) is going to be showing up on all of the commercials because he’s a poster boy too. I’m not really a fan of either of them. But, the guy who bought Neil’s music is about to get so much more rich. And I bet Spotify will have record subscriptions too. Because there’s no such thing as bad press. I’m going go practice playing guitar now because this how I procrastinate.
Isn't it "Zed Zed Top" in Canada? Thanks for being sane. And also I love fade-outs. I think Ol' Sammy G is the kinda guy I could sit down with and knock a few back. For being so much younger than me, you sure are wise.
Gonna have to disagree on this one. I don't think Rogan wasn't given some magical spotlight, there is a reason so many people trust it as a place to get info. I do agree there is a degree of responsibility to be had with anything, but interviewing experts of their field for hours is pretty good to me. I feel the dishonesty of the government and mainstream media is what fuels this even more and rightfully so. I always thought he had gotten the name of his show from the hendrix experience since he has that picture of him but I have no idea there.
Personally would say that I do think fade outs can work when they're done for a deliberate purpose, I think it's very easy to tell when they're not. If there's no artistic reason to have it fade out, I'd certainly rather the experience of hearing the end of what's meant to be a "definitive" recorded version of a song be as close as possible to hearing it live. Although this doesn't apply so much in the age of streaming services, I can see why someone might think an unnecessary fade out feels like saying, "well come to our concert to hear the rest of this thing you already paid us for". While I don't think I take it that strongly, I can certainly see how in some contexts it might leave someone feeling ripped off, especially if they follow bands that do it a lot, and then forming strong opinions about the whole practice -- I wouldn't really blame them. :) There's also the fact that if you're someone who turns on music to block out other noise while they work on something, a particularly long fade out can be very annoying because it means you either have to skip the end of the song or let the other noise in for thirty seconds. That's mainly the thing that gets to me, if I'm trying to do creative stuff like writing while my neighbours are making noise. If the song's a radio or DJ edit that's meant to be segued into the next track without losing the momentum of the playlist, then in that case I think fading out a long outro so you can get to the next song a few seconds sooner is probably more excusable. On a side note I kinda liked what Type O Negative did on a few albums, where they'd play the endings to their songs as if they were going to fade them out, but not actually fade them, so it just sort of cut off into the next track really suddenly. It felt a little more honest, somehow, and a lot more like getting that "live experience" on a studio album. Don't know if another band could pull the same thing off without also adopting their self-deprecating sort of image and writing style, though. Their own context was part of what made "deliberately jarring" work.
I think the anti-experts are overrepresented among those who often dont agree with state intervention and public policy. Some issues are based on values. There's no objective way for me to tell you what would make you feel the best or what you should sacrifice for. Too often the values of people are dismissed as being false somehow because the onlooker doesn't realize he is treating his opinion as the objective starting point.
Imagine if all those fringe religious groups through 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s succeeded in silencing all the music they didn’t like. I bet most of our lives would be different in some ways, and probably not for the better. In my opinion, music has more influence over people than any podcast or politician. If canceling different points of view is your jam, you really ought to question yourself and what you view as being safe for public consumption
He still has a lot of influence though. I don't want him cancelled either, but I don't see anything wrong with calling him out and holding him accountable
@@Yamez-ou5sg Honestly he isnt responsible for that much, definitely not as much as the media is making it out to be. But he did encourage some people not to get vaccinated and there was the whole ivermectin thing and he's had some guests with bad viewpoints on the show and not really challenged them at all, which could cause some people to be misinformed. But youre right, it is a very slippery slope towards total cancellation, I dont know where it should stop, but I also think it would be wrong to not hold him accountable at all
@@Yamez-ou5sg I 100% agree. I just wish there was an easy way to find a middle ground between cancel culture and ignorance, because neither is a good thing
Some so-called "experts", regardless of their position on a particular matter, will eventually be proven as wrong as those who protest against them might at first seem to be. Joe Rogan has every right to express his opinions, some of which are sure to irritate those whose opinions differ, and I doubt he is deliberately malicious. Those who disagree with him are free to stop listening to him. (I never started, so I hope I am unaffected by what he says.) From my perspective the whole affair seems grossly overblown.
yeah id agree. I like watching joe since the podcast is genuinely entertaining but i feel if i want deep knowledge i feel that responsibility is on me to find out
He has the right to share his opinions but he himself states he is dumb and when you have such a cult following you have a level of responsibility that you must acknowledge, otherwise you end up with dumb shit like domestic terrorism on 1/6, attacks on places of worship etc all because people who had the freedom to showcase their nonsense incited their followers until violence became inevitable. Public health is important and he is spreading misinformation, this isn't just about the people who absorb misinformation but how that impacts the rest of us.
I think your a little confused on who's the actually "expert" or the one with the legitimate information void of politics and agendas. At the moment there are what you call the vast majority of liars putting out info that count on you not even reading the data for yourself. These entities MUST BE challenged/checked as many people who trusted blindly are now seriously injured and/or dead. I know of three people in my circle who trusted blindly and one is now in the hospital for pericarditis (inflammation of the heart) and the other two have died of sudden coronary arrest and stroke. There is a lot of actual "expert" knowledge out there that I hope you take the time to seek out to discover what is really going down. Or of course you can let the media and criminal politicians and physicians tell you how it is and hope for the best. The truth will set you free. It will also freak you the f#!K out.
I get what you're saying in regards to blind faith, but I also don't think it's fair to label all of mainstream science as "politically driven". If you take a look back at history, you'd find that maybe 80% of the time that has simply not been the case - at least in western democracies, science has, for the most part, always been independent from politics and agendas and primarily concerned with fact and knowledge. That's probably also why we've progressed so far and so quickly in fields like medicine and technology. You also talk about "truth" as if that's something concrete and certain. It's not. All we have is different pieces evidence, and it's up to the experts (not just talking about mainstream scientists) to interpret what that evidence means. Now for those of us who don't possess the requisite knowledge, wouldn't it be best to trust what the vast majority of those experts say? If we don't, wouldn't we be creating a world built upon an unhealthy amount of distrust and doubt?
I actually have some favorite fade outs. I guess in this order: Led zeppelin - Ramble on Black sabbath - Sweet leaf The Beatles - While my guitar gently weeps
Thanks for the fair take on the Spotify controversy. Personally, I think every artist has the right to have their music on whatever platform they want and anybody has the right to use or not use whatever platform they please, for whatever reason. That being said, I think the hullabaloo over the jre is kinda silly. He's had all kinds of weirdos on for years.
Except there are no "weirdos" involved (in this case). Dr Robert Malone was/is the actual inventor of the MRNA injection and he has some insight that people might want to hear out before getting regular injections of this stuff and know that it isn't even a vaccine. It is just information.... take or leave it. Last thing we need is to be denied the facts.....good or bad. It amazes me that people want to have their choices made for them and then reticule those who want to go through the process of evaluation to make an informed decision. So much brainwash these days delivered in a smug and ignorant package. No hate or judgement on you personally.... just my personal thoughts on the insane times we find ourselves. Peace and knowledge.
@@TheChristafershawn no offense bruh, but there have been many, many people who contributed to the development of mRNA vaccines over the decades. There really is no one "inventor". Dr Malone was an early reasercher in that field, yes. But he didn't invent mRNA vaccines.
I agree that fadeouts are something of a cop out, but you asked if there was one that we liked and I am going to respond 5 months later -Good Day Sunshine by the Beatles as a really good Fade Out. The vocals kind of take turns going in a round and I think it sounds really cool
"The opinions of non-experts on media platforms is a huge problem that is destroying society"... heres my video where I admit I am not an expert and give my opinion. I can respect your admitted hypocrisy lol Thanks for sharing your unfiltered opinion!
He’s not giving an opinion on virology or public health or epidemiology. He is giving an opinion on Joe Rogan’s dissemination of false and dangerous information.
@@sekedad4819 These dudes are so in their feelings about the Rogan things, they aren't listening and they don't understand any kind of nuance. That's why when public health officials change their statements as the pandemic evolves, they call them lies:/ And when you take the advice of 99% of doctors and epidemiologists they call you sheeple. 🤷♂️ Its very sad.
@@xking144 As Samurai said, you can find an isolated expert to say literally any batshit thing you want. That's why you look to scientific consensus, which is based on peer-reviewed literature.
@@jaredgibson7462 citation? Show me the peer reviewed evidence regarding vaccination that was somehow tainted by Pfizer? And talk about a clown, you’d rather listen to an MMA dudebro for your health and that of those around you than the scientific establishment that has saved hundreds of millions of lives.
I've always figured fadeouts were a production decision, not an artist one...The song gets recorded, artists are pretty much done, then in production, they get to a point where they just think "Oh crap, this song is getting too long." They decide not to call the artist back in (or the artist refuses to come back) to "end" the song, and just fade it out, regardless of what's happening in the piece.
The thing is Rogan brings on all types of experts. When Rogan is wrong he always admits it, the reason people have a problem with him is that he looks at both arguments.
12:30 also consider the fadeout of Doctor Robert from the Beatles. It almost sounds like the song is ending right as they fade out, not the usual sense that a song could carry on and on and on...
SamuraiGuitarist: *makes a video on the most divisive political topic in the news atm*
Comment Section: *fiercely debates the merits of fade out songs endings*
I'm actually kind of glad the comment isn't talking about that, Sammy G is completely right, but considering how popular Rogan is I was afraid the comments would be a shitshow, somehow it's not
I see it as a good thing that no one really cares about the Joe Rogan bs. I don't either.
I think it has been run into the ground, plus what SG said was thoughtful enough. I dont see it 100% the same as he does but I have no issue at all with his take.
i saw a lot more of those comments when the video was first released, but if some got nasty Sammy couldve just deleted em understandably
Dude I’m in the comments wondering what the fuck is everybody talking about HAHAHAHAHAH FADE OUTS WTF HAPPEND TO JOE?????
Fun fact: SRV switched back to regular strings after he got clean from cocaine. Once he could actually feel his fingers while he was playing, he didn't enjoy the difficulty of playing with huge strings anymore.
I never even knew he was a cocaine addict
going to get jamie to check the facts on that one.
@@artisticgm4647 Yeah, my understanding is he was more of a heroin guy.
So what you're saying is that I need to do cocaine to get the tone?
@@nitrobw1 Hey, it worked for Clapton
I used to think fade outs were cop outs but now I think they can communicate really cool ideas:
In a lot of Beatles songs (Helter Skelter, Hey Jude, All You Need is Love) they're used to amplify the anthemic aspect of the song, it basically says "this can go on forever, we just don't have enough tape to record it forever".
On the other hand, songs like "The Chain", "Ashes to Ashes" and "In the Air Tonight" use it to represent a similar endlessness, but a more restless one, of being stuck in a negative mental state that just goes on and on without chance for escape.
And then there's Gustav Holt's "Neptune" which ends with a fade out (physically done live by putting the last musicians in a separate room and gradually closing the doors) to represent the extraordinary distance from us of what was at the time the farthest known astral body in our solar system.
Personally would add that while I do think fade outs can work when they're done for a deliberate reason, I think it's very easy to tell when they're not.
If there's no artistic reason to have it fade out, I'd certainly rather the experience of listening to what's meant to be a "definitive" recorded version of a song be as close as possible to hearing it live.
Wow I can't believe someone actually mentioned Gustav Holst on here. "Neptune" is easily the best out of all the movements and the fade out contributes quite a lot to that (along with the dissonance that goes throughout the entire piece).
Glad to see someone acknowledging Holst's work!
Lol, did I post that as a reply? I know I started writing it here but I meant to make it its own comment.
...wonder how that happened...
The other one's here, too... maybe when I hit one "send" button it posted both?
Anyway, I apologize for that. Never meant to double-post.
@@SplotchTheCatThing I've actually had that happen before as well, seems to be a bug on TH-cam's side.
I was replying to the original commentor though, just so you're not confused
@@cedricrickdelsol9767 Oh, I didn't think you were talking to me. I was just wondering why I was getting a notification for a thread I hadn't meant to post in.
Joe Rogan totally should have Mr Young on his podcast.
I suspect he would gladly do so.
Probably old Neil would put him down
@@jfar3340 Joe Rogan is now a Texan and a southern man don't need him around, anyhow.
honestly it be cool, sometimes people disagreeing but having a conversation can be insightful
@@jamescanjuggle Those looking to ''cancel'' are not willing to have a conversation
I'm usually not much a fan of fade-out endings, but occasionally they're just what a song calls for. As with all things, they are a tool that can do great things or terrible things, depending on the application.
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to post. In general, I prefer clear endings to fade outs; but in practice, it depends on the song.
This is such a milquetoast, fence-sitting opinion to have. I'm baffled as to why you even thought it was worth sharing. No duh, things sound good when applied correctly and bad when not.
@@LOOMING_WRAITH_OF_BAD_OMEN That's nice.
@@LOOMING_WRAITH_OF_BAD_OMEN I think you need a hug.
@@nope-z5y
You think wrong. I get plenty of them. Comes with having a loving family. Although, it's pretty reductive to passive-aggressively ostracize someone who you assume is deprived of affection. That doesn't solve anything, wouldn't you agree? Why perpetuate an individual's struggle?
Rogan is not a news organization, nor does he claim to be an expert. If he is going to get held to such standards, actual news organizations need to start being held to the same standard.
No, news organizations need to be held to a way higher standard.
They are supposed to bring information, but it is harder to trust them as time goes by and we found out how much they lie.
At least Joe Rogan doesn't lie, he makes mistakes.
News channels lie and know they lie.
Anyways, cheers from France mate! 🍻
But he's been obviously racist?
@@DarthWinterMadness you can tell Samurai guitarist doesn't actually listen to Rogan because if he did He would realize his whole thing is speaking with people he may not agree with and trying to find common ground and is very happy to call people on BS if he feels like it is. What everyone seems to have forgotten in our country you collect Info on things and decide for yourself what to believe but most people just listen to FOX or CNN because its easier. This is why I don't Watch this clown any more he's a far left Ideologue like his pal Adam Neely (you remember the guy who had a Antisemitic Professor on saying some wild things on a "music" channel) People like this don't give a damn about free speech, your not in the club and don't deserve a voice, they want you to shut up and do what you're told. Well you know what? why don't you stick to playing guitar, your way out of you're depth in the political world...
My biggest problem with songs with fade outs is trying to figure out how to end them when performing them live. It's kinda a pain to have to rewrite the ending just so we can actually play it
Been there, bro.
Just don't end it, duh...
Especially when it's an awesome guitar solo like Comfortably Numb.
Obviously, you dovetail it with the next song
@Jack I feel like that's a massive gray area especially when you go into cover band territory. Sometimes you get lucky and the band plays the song that fades out on the recording live so you know how to end it, but other times you just gotta be a little creative, and that's where the magic happens baby
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Issac Asimov
And now that cult🤣 is inhabited by intellectuals too.
@@magnoliasstressus Is it though?
Lol so our lives should be dictated by a small group of "intellectuals" then. Lmao you guys literally want the boot on your neck
@@mikefloyd3152 And this comment perfectly proves the point. Choosing comforting ignorance over knowledgeable leaders that might let you feel dumb. It's like peeing in your pants - sure it's immediately warmer, but... Lots of people don't even try to think what will be after this initial warmth. You know, that there was systematic hate towards intellectuals in USSR in 70's? There is a good example of what will happen if you do so. “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill.
@@marismikitis this was all so revealing wasnt it, imagine being so dim?? its like theyve put dumb in the water or sumn. the saddest part is that they seem to LOVE it
I think most of the songs on The Queen is Dead fade out and that really changed my perspective on it. Some of the grooves on that album are so cacophonous and catchy that it's hard to imagine them ending abruptly. It's almost like those melodic and complex Johnny Marr riffs go on forever which is kinda beautiful.
Have you ever thought about all the different ways there are to end a song? Especially if you don't know how a song ends while playing?. There's a couple TH-cam Jazz channels I listen to where EVERY song ends by slowing down suddenly and holding out the last note. Live rock bands taking requests often just go crazy on their instruments when they don't know how a song ends. Just a random thought I had while you were discussing fade outs. Rock on, sir 🤘
I always make sure to write good endings for my songs or my band's songs because of it
Nothing drives me crazy quite like a record that only has fadeouts. Several Aerosmith songs have endings but just...FADE OUT.
Sweet emotion for example, it's an epic Joe Perry solo that just fades out.
One of my favorites is the trashcan ending. It’s exactly what you think it is. They go bonkers on, like, an A chord and you have at least one guitar player shredding over that A until they’re all just playing dozens of diamonds with the drummer on his or her cymbals. Kinda like “this is the last one! Honest! Would we lie to you? Play, one more”. 😛
Fake fade-outs can be fun though, it fades… then comes back in for a real ending.
Dude, major props for discussing this stuff on your channel. It takes balls, and I appreciate it.
On the note of fade outs, the one on Tom Sawyer really bugs me. You can hear Neil Peart still hitting awesome drum fills as it’s fading out, but we can’t hear them clearly. The ending when they played it live was so much better.
Lol imagine being the sound engineer who had to fade out on Neal Peart. Just openly weeping as they slowly slide down the faders... 😭
I feel the same way about VH’s “Mean Street”, Eddie’s playing with the rest of the band is absolutely amazing on that outro but it gets lost
I find it funny that Joni and Niel refuse to share a platform with Joe Rogan but they were more than happy to share a platform with R.Kelly, Chris Brown etc.
That’s a bit apples & oranges, where they both are fruits with rotten bits, but Joni and Niels concerns are about one type spreading info/ideas to easily influenced masses through their content on the platform. The phys/sexual abusers require direct legal consequences, and it’s unrelated to their work/content.
@@MaxMason-nn7gv at the end of the day Niel Young's music is owned by a company named blackstone that is run by none other than an ex-pfizer CEO. The money trail always comes back to pfizer and the only reason Niel is upset about this situation is because daddy pfizer told him to be. Also I wouldn't say their sexual abuse is unrelated to their music as most of their music is misogynistic and degrading towards women and the overall message of thier music is that women are sexual objects. Plus you can find neo-nazi music on spotify in which they spread info and ideas to easily influenced people and groups of people, hateful and evil info and ideas aswell mind you.
How did 3 people misspell Neil
@@ItsRevival 2 people, how did you miscount? ;)
@@Milklord47 "Counting mistake - I win"
One favorite fade out is the Talking Heads, Life During Wartime. As the verse fades out, you get the sense of never ending dread and struggle.
That was one of the most thoughtful, empathetic and succinct descriptions of the misinformation problem the world is experiencing at the moment. On par, if not better than many other social commentary or political based channels/articles. Nice one Sammy G!
I agree 100% It's good to find people who are still thoughtful and nuanced. Seems hard to find on social media these days.
The thing is Neil sided with the bad guys
💯💯💯 agree
On fade outs, there was a thing in the 80s where the studio version would fade out, but the live song would have bit extra. It made the live version feel even more special. Gary Moore’s Empty Rooms was a good example.
Free Speech is great...BUT...!?!??
I don't think any ending you could write to Hey Jude would work better than the fade out.
Be like Helter skelter, fade out and fade back in!
But for real, my music teacher was a firm believer that even if you fade out you still end the song. My fav examples of this are bohemian rhapsody and new slang by the shins.
Fade outs aren't the bad part anyway, it's when radio stations cut off the song when it's only like 1 dB lower. But that's nothing in comparison to the true crime of talking over the intros until the lyrics start..... smh
The fade out that sticks out to me is Rhiannon by Fleetwood Mac. Stevie is about to go hard with the final verse but they fade out just when she starts it. Although makes it all the better when you listen to the live version!
You're so good at putting things into words. Something I've always struggled with.
Fade out done right: And All Things Will End (Avenged Sevenfold). It's complemented with slow down, sounds awesome
I just hate the "I don't need education, I have experience," thing. Experience is what you learn from your mistakes. Education is what you learn from other peoples mistakes. Balance in all things, and there is more to balance than not falling over.
It’s hard to have a lot of experience without having gained knowledge about the world around you.
Truth is, there is no need for a FORMAL education in most topics these days. You can get well educated without attending to a university.
Well, the impact you've had on me is pretty remarkable. I've given up on my "dream" of being a decent guitar player several times now, but then you do another video that gets the wheels in my head turning, and I end up giving up on giving up on myself. Between the music theory, the how-to videos and these HUFO videos reignight the passion for me pretty much every single time. Thank you for what you do.
bro has helped scientists and the field of science tremendously and will continue to ..there's that.
Beethoven and ZZ Top, not a bad start. My folks said when I was a kid they had the original broadway soundtrack to Jesus Christ Superstar and I would groove out like crazy. Still got the album actually.
Sami I liked a lot of your points but what would you say about whether or not it is right for one artist to call for the censorship of another
Yeah he totally avoided that answer right.
The only right answer is anti censorship
I don't see it as a censorship issue, rather it's the moral issue of paying someone huge amounts of money for putting out a lot of bad information. In turn, Spotify gets a huge amount of money for putting out a lot of bad information (or so I assume).
Chances are, no ones is going to even see this message.
ZZ Top was one of my favorite bands when I was your sons age! Make sure he has access to Tres Hombres and Stevie Ray Vaughan Live At the El Macombo as he grows up.
Lots of people (like myself) challenge the experts with what other experts say. Unfortunately science most all pharmacological studies are funded from two sources and they have an interest to not bite the hand that feeds them and that’s where an inaccurate consensus can be reached. I wish I could just instantly trust something because 1,500 scientists agree because that’s how it should be but often these scientists are just nodding their heads at something handed down from on high. It’s obnoxiously easy to lie with statistics. The politics of doing science is disgusting. Having to go to this dinner and that dinner and talking with this person and that person and fake laughing your way into funding is soul crushing. (So I’m told)
I like your comment on tying self worth into into these ideas though. I self audit enough that I’m very open to having my mind changed and not have it damage my ego but I do see a lot of people who act like you spit in their face when you politely offer rebuttal or a comment. Folks on all sides of these issues who have dug their heals in and won’t budge and inch are strangely fragile.
Science itself is not political. However, when you apply science to society and the world at large is is very much about politics. This is why we hear the name Thomas Edison and not Nikola Tesla. Tesla was weak "ego-wise" and didn't think it was fruitful to be engaged in politics, he later regretted it and realized Edison fucked him over.
I can understand not trusting studies by corporations or pharmaceutical companies sure, but there aren’t only corporate studies there are other peer reviewed studies and a medical consensus on the issue as well as plenty of independent studies. There will always be a few grifters in the minority of experts, if someone can tell you water is poison to sell you there snake oil they will. Even if the medical consensus is water is safe they don’t care, they just say big pharmacy pushes drinking water cause conspiracy.
Nikola Tesla is taught in history in schools today, same with the fact that Thomas Edison stole inventions. While also having his last name be part of the first innovation of the electric vehicle, Thomas Edison really didn’t fuck over Tesla as much as he did other inventors. My point is those who actually learned about Thomas Edison knew that he wasn’t a good person and that most of his work was flawed even then it’s easier to remember bad people then good.
It’s great to hear your thoughts on some controversial stuff! Your thoughts about anti-expertism are something I’ve also observed but you explained it with the eloquence and nuance that I never could!
Keep up the good work ❤️
Also would love to know your thoughts on the new RHCP song
If they feel obliged to pull their music, it is their right. If Spotify wants to censor or fire Rogan, it is their right as a private company. Though, the hypocrisy of these artists disgusts me. Neil Young proudly joins up with Apple, a company that has caused more damage to more people in a week than Rogan could cause in 5 life times. This is a right vs left issue. There is no proof that Rogan has damaged anyone with the information of a COUPLE of his guests. It's manufactured outrage. He's too big and too popular and certain people and groups in this country can't have that. All that being said, it was nice to avoid this bullshit from my favorite non-political content creators for a while...
At the end of the day, people just need to use their brains. If you choose to trust or not to trust Joe Rogan, that's your choice.
In the end its dangerous to give a platform to people who clearly spread misinformation. Even if they "just want to interview people from both sides". If it comes to Covid there is really only one side that makes sense and doesnt put millions in danger. And thats going the way our governments are going.
@@metalpuppet5798 It's dangerous to restrict the free exchange of ideas. It's also dangerous to blindy trust the government when historically, they have a horrible track record at keeping the best interests of the people at heart. Just look at North Korea to see what you can make people believe when you restrict the free exchange of ideas.
@@keyboardmamma this isnt about the government or politics. This is about factual situations in our health care systems/hospitals. I dont listen to politics or media. I listen to doctors and nurses who have put themselves through life threatening situations every single day for two years now to safe unvaccinated idiots. Those same idiots have caused thousands of vaccinated people to not get treatment in time for other things. NO ONE has the right to just rule over peoples lives like that
@@kaield4763 yes
The Spotify discussion... It's like being on two different planets talking to my musician friends about it versus talking to my Joe Rogan friends about it. Interesting topic, it's spurred some great discussions with my friends, and that's all I'll say about it here.
same here
You have Joe Rogan friends?
Neil Young sold half his catalog to a vaccine company.
And now Rogan interviewed an actual expert.
Mandates and censorship are never the answer.
@@DanielHermannMusic You mean you don't? Sounds like you're living in an echo chamber. I'm not saying to upend your world view. I'm saying that you should at least seek to challenge it.
@@CristiNeagu Imo, Rogan tends to attract a certain kind of viewer, which are people I usually dont get along with that well (not talking about political views as much as just personality). There's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't necessarily mean me or the other commenter are in an echo chamber
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this hot issue!
I think the deeper issues are really important to hear. Speaking as a tiny indie musician, I think that the issues affecting tiny indie musicians are a bit different from the ones that affect big name musicians with a 50-year catalogue of major label releases, like Joni and Neil.
I had only one album on Spotify-a folk CD whose fans are in the dozens, not the millions. So I'm in a completely different world than Neil and Joni, and probably even a completely different world than you, now that music is the biggest part of your professional life. Even so, there are maybe MORE reasons why the smallest of the small fish should be taking a critical look at Spotify and reconsidering how much we want to support and stand behind their model.
For what it's worth, as much as they say small-timers like me can't afford to abandon Spotify the way that millionaires like Neil Young can... well, I did it because it was right, not because it was moneymaking move. And even so, my little album has earned more in the last WEEK on Bandcamp than it earned in THREE YEARS of streaming on Spotify. They pay indies so, so little, and people out there who like indie music ARE willing to support it directly if you give them the chance.
[shameless plug: check me out on Bandcamp if you support the little guys throwing in their hat with the big rockstars too.]
Glad you enjoyed "Get Back" too. It was an incredible experience, and if anything I'm glad they didn't make a more mainstream commercial film out of it. Just restore the footage, as it was, and get out of the way of the magic.
It should be criminal how little Spotify pays their artists. Even Apple Music pays more. If you’re paying your artists even less than Apple, king of profit margins, then something has gone horribly wrong. There’s definitely more than one reason to boycott Spotify lol. Thanks for your input.
If you can't attack the arguement of a person, you attack the person. That's what is being done to Joe.
Pretty much, them pulling their stuff out of Spotify is just another version of cancel culture
Joe giving a platform to people who spread misinformation is just wrong and it should be pointed out. And if thats done by boycotting Spotify then so be it.
You obviously didn't listen to the Rogan podcasts that were the cause of the controversy. The two people who he interviewed, were experts, one of whom invented the vaccine technology.
@Nick Vondo He holds nine patents in regard to this technology. Do some actual research not just parrot the misinformation lots of sites like Shitipedia put up. Makes him enough of an expert that his opinion is at least worth listening to and considering. I do not buy into the 'scientic consensus' stuff; after all those hundred scientists in the 30's in Germany that said Einstein was wrong re GT of Relativity were correct because there were 100 of them, right?
The man’s obvious intelligence and his resume are more than enough reason to at least listen to what he has to say. Calling him an outlier and relegating his opinion to that of a typical conspiracy nut did seem to show Sami didn’t watch the podcast. Just sayin.
Why is Spotify paying Rogan? Because of money. They are making a ton from his show. If they made more from old ass hippy musicians they would cancel Rogan.
Everything is about money, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, insurance, you name it. Nothing in this world is about making the world better. It’s about making more money.
Who hurt you?
but doesnt making the world better cost money?
Look up The Venus Project
While disagree with the Joe Rogan opinion, I appreciate the artful and thought out response. Good video
They certainly have the right to have their music removed from spotify and humanity has the right to listen to those famous and heavily published physicians.
Hippies against free speech, siding with the establishment. Hilarious.
@@ogcpw4746 it's hilarious that you think that the establishment are doctors and researchers, and not the millionaires and billionaires trying to convince everyone science is bullshit so they stop pushing for national healthcare and fixing climate change.
@@ogcpw4746 perfect example of how dumb the "right wing revolution" is, you don't even know what the establishment is
Robert Malone doesn’t have a perfect track record, but nor do any of the talking heads on CNN, MSNBC etc. Take some time to fact check the alarmists and then preach about Joe Rogan’s “responsibility.”
Yes and I feel society at large just wants an intelligent debate from both sides. The debate Arena is supposed to be a good clean fight where truth wins, thus we all win. But too many on all sides just degrade to passive aggressive character smears. Respect needs to be brought back into society.
I can’t support any artists that are against free speech, even if you call it disinformation who is the deciders of misinformation ?
Exactly!! Well said agreed 💯
If it’s demonstrably false. Putting out misinformation hurts people, which violates their freedoms. “Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my face begins.” Additionally, private companies can do whatever they want. When you’re on the side of “s-so what if everything I say is factually incorrect? Free speech!!!” Then you might want to rethink some of your positions.
@@Lingboysc2 things are rarely so clearly correct or incorrect. So just like the OP said, who gets to decided what’s demonstrably correct or not? Take a look at Russia under Putin. Putin won’t allow news organizations to refer to Russia’s invasion as an invasion. Don’t be on the side of totalitarians and authoritarians. Be on the side of freedom. People may say things we disagree with but that is not a punch to the face. Words are not violence.
@@danielviets4427 Words can be violence though. Calling for the death of someone, telling a large group of people to hurt themselves or other people.
@@Lingboysc2 that is called threatening. It’s already illegal.
I have always believed that people have a pretty good B.S. meter built in to them. I just dont believe in silencing people who have whacked out ideas that are different than mine. And about 50 years ago neither did Mr. Young…. Amazing how people change
@@creamwobbly Perhaps silencing is the wrong word to use. De platform maybe ? Anyway neither Mr. Rogan or Mr.Young , need me defending them. They are both far too successful in their chosen fields of endeavor. Rock On and Peace Out
Hi Sammy G, just hearing you said in this video that you work out of your basement - please make sure your home has been tested (and re-tested every few years) for Radon - it's a big risk for those of us spending a lot of time in our basements. Wishing you the best of health and happiness!
ok, thank you for that pre-Rogan rant, because it echoed many of the same thoughts I've had over the last few years. I don't blame people for being skeptical of "mainstream media" (more specifically news outlets like CNN and FOX), but then their main source of information becomes shows like... Info Wars? or Real Time? and they don't think to question a single thing that gets said on *those* programs? and those are only two examples; this kind of "hear now, think never" attitude is all over TH-cam and Facebook, and it's disturbing.
on a lighter note, the fade-out of The Joker by Steve Miller Band is bizarre. seriously, he's doing one last verse, which is a call-back to the first two verses, and about halfway through it just fades out into nothing! why?!
also, one of the songs on Omar Rodriguez-Lopez's solo album Calibration (Is Pushing Luck And Key Too Far) has this big fade-out... and then fades back in again. why? who the hell knows, it's the Mars Volta guy, do you really expect him to do anything normal?😁
The Polices entire first album is a fade out. Seriously, every damn song on the album.
I find it kind of funny that the artists pulling out, are the same ones that got famous pushing contrarian beliefs during the 60s.
Problem, imo, is that research needs funding. And the entities funding the research gets to decide what field to fund. This brings unbalance to objective "truth" and you'll get a majority opinion thats not necessarilly based in objective "truth".
NOT saying that Dr.Malone got it right in this case. But doing my fair share of reading peer reviewed articles i can state that hes not alone holding these "contrarian" beliefs..
My five cents.
Peace and love
I never liked fadeouts because I used to think that they cut me off of a really cool jam, but then I listened to the actual ending of Grateful Dead's Doin That Rag and changed my mind
lol the live ending does kinda suck. I feel like the end section is a cool darker counterpart to the main song, and so it's weird going back into that major sounding part
@@justinmau8119 exactly! I think the 68 mix also has that. But, god, not only it flips back to major, but that cheesy harmony (Phil Lesh's part makes me burst out laughing just by thinking about it)
Bottom line is censorship is bad no matter who it is
Let’s go Rogan!!!
I was so hoping that you would start fading out while talking about fade outs, then you'd come back to answer the last question. Good enough for Zeppelin...
the beach boys' good vibrations fade out always catches me kind of off guard. It's so fast
I dig your breakdown of the controversy, and agree with pretty much all of it.
As for fade outs, there are only two ways to end a song so I like the variety. Some end on a statement, and some drift on "forever". My band mates and I don't have too much trouble coming up with endings to fade-out songs, and it even allows us a little creativity.
Guess the music industry has turned into the PMRC, now they’re the the ones calling for censorship
Edit: I’ve never listened to any joe rogan podcasts but I just hate the censorship.
“If you want to challenge the expert consensus, you at least have the same knowledge of the subject as they do”. I have two issues with that statement: Firstly, that is an unquantifiable standard. Nobody has “the same” knowledge of anything as anyone else. And secondly, and more importantly, you don’t need to know everything about a specific subject to make a judgement call about those who are “experts” on said subject. In my personal experience, information that I question isn’t due to the face value of the information, but rather the sources that it comes from, which have been wrong, and outright lied in the past. If the same information came from what I deemed to be a credible source, I would be more likely to take it as a good faith attempt at truth. This doesn’t come down to education. It comes down to common sense, and a healthy skepticism in a world full of liars.
Absolutely spot on. Pseudo intellectualism, as he partially displays here, is far a greater threat than, "anti-expertism."
Crazy - Aerosmith fade out is a great one. It feels like it lends itself to the idea of a song about a woman that you can't seem to shake. She drives you crazy with no real resolution; just raw emotion
Censorship = bad. Not that hard.
@The voice of... Call it what you like. silencing free speech is the worst solution to a problem
@The voice of... Who is "they" that decides this? Who is in charge of what we can buy or not buy?
@The voice of... So Niel Young's depiction of all Southern Men as slave owners is the same kind of dis-information?
@The voice of... perfect, discount my point instead of responding to it.
Fade outs can be good sometimes. Especially when the concept of the song is about a permanent thing, like the never ending grief of losing someone you love or when it's about something that's happening over and over again and seems to never stop, like being trapped in a time loop
Censorship and cancel-culture is never a solution…
Spreading misinformation and giving people a platform that spread misinformation is also not a solution
When I finally heard the Night Owl Blues extended version-I realize the fade out was WAY BETTER!
I think every song on Pet Sounds ends with a fade out
It would be one thing if these artists actually owned any of their own music to begin with.
seems much of neil's catalogue was sold to northrock which also happens to own shares in big pharma.
Who says musicians are not academics... Nice job man, I really like the way you lay down your thoughts on the table and explain your reasoning. Not to mention your awesome guitar playing! Keep it up man
I don't mind fadeouts in general and I love the fadeout of "Southern Streamline" by John Fogerty. It makes me feel like the imaginary camera thats following my car stops in its tracks and films me driving into the sunset with this tune on, absolute beast of a roadtrip song! Same goes for "Hot Rod Heart" off the same album.
And he's back on Spotify. Turn out it was all virtue signaling and trying to make him relevant again.
It's so cool how your eyes are shining when you're talking about your kid... and the "look after yourselves/each other/the planet" ending shows how much fatherhood makes people mellower (in a VERY good way, the world really needs more of that and less hate). Thank you and keep bringing good content as always, Ol' Sammy G!
The most interesting effect of the Neil Young/Joni Mitchell decision is that oh so many people started listening to the JRE... And they love it. Which makes me happy. Very. :)
It’s a good show! Interesting conversations with interesting people. The fact that Mr Young chose to attack a differing opinion says a lot about his views and personal politics. Fitting, since Covid is all about politics and money, after all. It’s more than a little insulting that Mr Young would try to control what I hear and see. It’s sad that after the media blitz of Covid propaganda, and the amount of time and money spent pushing it, that the house of cards still feels so fragile that he needs to attack one man’s opinion. Maybe that man’s opinion holds enough credibility, to actually make people think for themselves. That’s the real danger, isn’t it Neil?
I don't generally like fade outs, but one of my favorite songs is Hotel California, and I prefer the fade out on the studio version than the finish they did on live shows.
Was Neil Young an expert on the Kent State shootings? Or his views on the ‘southern man’ as a Canadian. Do these artists truly want censorship or just censorship of alternative viewpoints? (I’m not a Rogan fan or follower)
Joe Rogan took Iv*****tin and liberals hate the fact that it worked
12:55 is so wholesome 🥺 my 6yo daughter, not a baby, loves Lorna Shore, Spiritbox, and ERRA these days 😂 When she was 3 she loved RHCP and would sing Can’t Stop and Dosed in the car 😊
Neil Young lost all credibility when he sold his songs to “Blackstone” (the private equity firm who’s senior advisor is the former head of Pfizer) for $150 million. But yeah, Neil’s looking out for the little guy🙄
This times a fucking million. Also, the "oVeRwHeLmiNg CONseNsuS" is brought to you by pfizer. Why did they want 75 years to release the data? Something to do with mortality rates in the test vs placebo group? Hmmmmm 🙄
I was taken back to the movie "Idiocracy" when I complimented a person for being very smart that they must of been a very swotty student in school, and they didn't know what it meant and assume that it was sexual or something bad, and ask that I not use big words as it made people uncomfortable. We have reach a point that knowledge is now uncomfortable, that it going further than just Covid research, or CRT racial history, and the cancel culture, all because I think is because of our school system. Trying to be smart use to be a cool thing to do. Whenever I read a book, I always had my dictionary at my side in case I need to look up a word that I didn't know. Today its so freaking easy to right click on the word and google it. The internet is a vast library of knowledge, and maybe its too much? I agree that the answer is make schools much better place for a healthier society.
5:16 That's the problem right there. Because this is a public health concern, we must let the experts argue the fine details of this, which is not happening in society today. All you get to hear about is the particular experts someone who is not an expert has approved. You do not get to hear from ALL the infectious disease and immunology experts out there. You only get to hear from the experts that say the things certain people in power want to hear. *_And that is precisely WHY we need people with large outreach like Joe Rogan to give a voice to experts that have been excluded on ideological grounds._* Science does not follow popular opinion. It follows the evidence.
The fact that public health has become a political topic is just sad, listen to your fucking doctor
@@isaacmorrow7077 I would listen to my doctor if he were to give me a medical opinion, not a political one he is paid and coerced to give. It would be great if experts of all fields were allowed to have debates and sort out important problems through science and reason so all of us laypeople could get on with our lives and read the TL;DR when they're done. But since that debate is not happening and governments are colluding with big tech to make sure it does not happen, then it is left to us commoners to do our own research and figure it out. Wish that weren't the case, but it is. These days you have only two choices: do your own research or swallow the propaganda and lies. Your choose your path. I already chose mine.
@@CristiNeagu The fact that your doctor gives you political advise because he is paid to do so means that he failed his Hippocratic oath and can't be called doctor any more. The fact that you still call him your doctor means that you can't find better one. And that means that some part of country really has no doctors, just paid political advertisers.
Or maybe you are telling bad things about your doctor because he has different opinion on subject matter than you. That makes me wonder if you are not a member of "anti-expertism" tribe. This is enforced by you saying that "governments are colluding with big tech". Such a bold, yet overly general claim.
In either way - this is sad. I assume this kind of situation most probably comes from United States of Freedom. If so - hello from the other side of pond. In Europe news from 'Merica are considered the best reality show.
@@marismikitis
_"That makes me wonder if you are not a member of "anti-expertism" tribe."_
That's rich. So here we are, two years later, with the receipts to show that the medical system in multiple countries has cheated and lied to their patients, and that is your conclusion? Well, it makes me wonder if you're not a member of the "anti-thinker" tribe...
_"Such a bold, yet overly general claim."_
In light of what you just said I would suggest that you do a bare minimum of research before you talk about a topic. Both in the US and in Europe this collusion is obvious. Big Tech is censoring all content that is critical of the established state doctrine. A few years ago, when the EU parliament elections were going on, social media was actually censoring campaign pages for certain candidates because they subscribed to the wrong ideology. Right now social media is supressing all the news about the multitude of major protests all over North America and Europe. And you think it's a "bold, yet overly general claim"? i am really starting to wonder about you and those anti-thinkers.
_"I assume this kind of situation most probably comes from United States of Freedom. If so - hello from the other side of pond."_
Lol, you have no idea. America has been luckier than most. At least there you could still get some frowned upon proven treatments, unlike in most of Europe, where people aren't even told there is treatment. In Austria today you have a complete abandonment of human rights, and yet the health care system isn't speaking out and are just going along with it.
_"In Europe news from 'Merica are considered the best reality show."_
Yes, because most Europeans no longer have any idea what it means to be free or to fight for your freedom. They are happy to sit in their little cages just like their governments have told them. No need to think about it because the experts already did and they'll tell us what to think. They would never deceive us. Why would they? It's not like there's billions and billions of euros in the game. It's not like politicians want to stay in power. It's not like we've ever been deceived before, despite the news coming out every day, which I refuse to read.
Thx for a great take on the Young, Mitchell, Rogan issue, which is not easy
I just gotta say, your response on the Spotify kerfuffle is one of the most well-thought out and respectful views I’ve seen on the whole thing. I actually like to listen to Rogan’s podcast while working, but I, like the vast majority of people take what I hear with a grain of salt, especially with regards to COVID. Joe just likes to talk to people, and he’s said it himself he’s no expert, and he never asked for the responsibility bestowed upon him by the size of his show.
I understand both sides of the argument, as free speech should let you say what you want to who you want, but it also lets you decide who or what you want to protest, it goes both ways. Here in the states, all we ever see is one side calling the other one stupid, with no willingness to understand the other. I wish we had more thinkers like you, SammyG. Thank you for bringing an insightful opinion to the table.
The song wishlist by Pearl Jam fades out right as Eddie sings “I wish I was the radio song, the one that you turned up”
Young and Mitchell are free to do what they want, but I can't support them wanting to shut down someone's free speech by giving ultimatum like that. If you don't like it, just remove your songs don't make threats.
Also, isn't it ironic that these boomer musicians who used to rally against the system and support freedom are now opposes speech and supports the system? I guess it shows they really were only looking out for their own interests.
Fade to Black by Metallica ironically has a fade out at the end
Just a really lovely and cogent expression of the challenges around some of the emotional and human cognitive problems that underpin our growing problem of misinformation and polarization. Super impressive, sir.
I definitely don't like when the fade out occurs during a guitar solo. Little wing for example. I don't know if live versions were longer, but that solo is way too short.
Or Rosanna by Toto.
Or Fade to black by Metallica. But this one is different because the solo already reached a "climax".
But I get it when the songs fade out in order to give flow to the album, like TOCCC by Moody Blues or Boston debut.
People like to say that you could figure it out to end the song on your own way. No only that is difficult, but in the case of some songs you just don't know how to end properly. Listen to I talk to the wind by King Crimson. The song fades out and cut directly into Epitaph, so you can understand why. The whole song has this relaxing pace that would make it hard to give it a proper final.
People should be allowed to share their beliefs. That's literally what it means to coexist. I'd also like to add that the people on Joe Rogan's podcast are doctors and I love sammy G but he is a guitar player, not a doctor. So for him to say that people who have PhD's know nothing and ge knows everything is a little unfair. Not saying what they said is correct, seeing as I myself am not a doctor, but they have the right to share their opinion since they are actually experts.
A "doctor" who spreads misinformation about a vaccine that is proven to already have saved millions is not a doctor. This guy has never seen an actual Covid ward from the inside and he has never actually treated Covid patients. If he would have done that he would have seen that these wards are still completely overwhelmed and the ones causing this are pretty much only unvaccinated people
@@metalpuppet5798 Have you listened to the show?
@@henrikpetersson3463 no and I dont have to. Someone who is anti vaccine is an uneducated and dangerous liar
The only fade out I love is when it’s at the end of an album that i just listened to, start to finish. But I don’t know many new albums that I can listen through start to finish.
Do you remember the 90s when reality TV was everywhere and was parodied with ridiculous situations and the world was like “that’ll never happen.” It’s just drama. I bet Apple Music will have Neil Young exclusively on their platform. All I’m really saying is everyone young and old knows who Joe Rogan and Neil Young is and I bet his catalog ( that he sold last year) is going to be showing up on all of the commercials because he’s a poster boy too. I’m not really a fan of either of them. But, the guy who bought Neil’s music is about to get so much more rich. And I bet Spotify will have record subscriptions too. Because there’s no such thing as bad press. I’m going go practice playing guitar now because this how I procrastinate.
Isn't it "Zed Zed Top" in Canada?
Thanks for being sane. And also I love fade-outs. I think Ol' Sammy G is the kinda guy I could sit down with and knock a few back. For being so much younger than me, you sure are wise.
Gonna have to disagree on this one. I don't think Rogan wasn't given some magical spotlight, there is a reason so many people trust it as a place to get info. I do agree there is a degree of responsibility to be had with anything, but interviewing experts of their field for hours is pretty good to me. I feel the dishonesty of the government and mainstream media is what fuels this even more and rightfully so. I always thought he had gotten the name of his show from the hendrix experience since he has that picture of him but I have no idea there.
Personally would say that I do think fade outs can work when they're done for a deliberate purpose, I think it's very easy to tell when they're not.
If there's no artistic reason to have it fade out, I'd certainly rather the experience of hearing the end of what's meant to be a "definitive" recorded version of a song be as close as possible to hearing it live. Although this doesn't apply so much in the age of streaming services, I can see why someone might think an unnecessary fade out feels like saying, "well come to our concert to hear the rest of this thing you already paid us for". While I don't think I take it that strongly, I can certainly see how in some contexts it might leave someone feeling ripped off, especially if they follow bands that do it a lot, and then forming strong opinions about the whole practice -- I wouldn't really blame them. :)
There's also the fact that if you're someone who turns on music to block out other noise while they work on something, a particularly long fade out can be very annoying because it means you either have to skip the end of the song or let the other noise in for thirty seconds. That's mainly the thing that gets to me, if I'm trying to do creative stuff like writing while my neighbours are making noise.
If the song's a radio or DJ edit that's meant to be segued into the next track without losing the momentum of the playlist, then in that case I think fading out a long outro so you can get to the next song a few seconds sooner is probably more excusable.
On a side note I kinda liked what Type O Negative did on a few albums, where they'd play the endings to their songs as if they were going to fade them out, but not actually fade them, so it just sort of cut off into the next track really suddenly. It felt a little more honest, somehow, and a lot more like getting that "live experience" on a studio album.
Don't know if another band could pull the same thing off without also adopting their self-deprecating sort of image and writing style, though. Their own context was part of what made "deliberately jarring" work.
Keep in mind SRV played in a dropped tuning, so he needed higher gauge strings to have the same feel.
Thumbs up for the part about anti-expertism. I've been watching this trend grow in the western world for years and it's so frustrating.
I think the anti-experts are overrepresented among those who often dont agree with state intervention and public policy. Some issues are based on values. There's no objective way for me to tell you what would make you feel the best or what you should sacrifice for. Too often the values of people are dismissed as being false somehow because the onlooker doesn't realize he is treating his opinion as the objective starting point.
Imagine if all those fringe religious groups through 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s succeeded in silencing all the music they didn’t like. I bet most of our lives would be different in some ways, and probably not for the better.
In my opinion, music has more influence over people than any podcast or politician.
If canceling different points of view is your jam, you really ought to question yourself and what you view as being safe for public consumption
He still has a lot of influence though. I don't want him cancelled either, but I don't see anything wrong with calling him out and holding him accountable
@@jacobmillen751 what’s he to be held accountable for? And when does accountability end?
@@Yamez-ou5sg Honestly he isnt responsible for that much, definitely not as much as the media is making it out to be. But he did encourage some people not to get vaccinated and there was the whole ivermectin thing and he's had some guests with bad viewpoints on the show and not really challenged them at all, which could cause some people to be misinformed. But youre right, it is a very slippery slope towards total cancellation, I dont know where it should stop, but I also think it would be wrong to not hold him accountable at all
@@jacobmillen751 it’s a terribly slippery slope. I think none of us will be happy long term if the current cancellation/censorship trend continues.
@@Yamez-ou5sg I 100% agree. I just wish there was an easy way to find a middle ground between cancel culture and ignorance, because neither is a good thing
I'm not a huge fan of fade outs. But I do like the fade out in Sultans of Swing.
Some so-called "experts", regardless of their position on a particular matter,
will eventually be proven as wrong as those who protest against them might at first seem to be.
Joe Rogan has every right to express his opinions, some of which are sure to irritate those whose opinions differ,
and I doubt he is deliberately malicious. Those who disagree with him are free to stop listening to him.
(I never started, so I hope I am unaffected by what he says.)
From my perspective the whole affair seems grossly overblown.
yeah id agree.
I like watching joe since the podcast is genuinely entertaining but i feel if i want deep knowledge i feel that responsibility is on me to find out
He has the right to share his opinions but he himself states he is dumb and when you have such a cult following you have a level of responsibility that you must acknowledge, otherwise you end up with dumb shit like domestic terrorism on 1/6, attacks on places of worship etc all because people who had the freedom to showcase their nonsense incited their followers until violence became inevitable. Public health is important and he is spreading misinformation, this isn't just about the people who absorb misinformation but how that impacts the rest of us.
Somebody finally said it! THANK YOU!
I think your a little confused on who's the actually "expert" or the one with the legitimate information void of politics and agendas. At the moment there are what you call the vast majority of liars putting out info that count on you not even reading the data for yourself. These entities MUST BE challenged/checked as many people who trusted blindly are now seriously injured and/or dead. I know of three people in my circle who trusted blindly and one is now in the hospital for pericarditis (inflammation of the heart) and the other two have died of sudden coronary arrest and stroke. There is a lot of actual "expert" knowledge out there that I hope you take the time to seek out to discover what is really going down. Or of course you can let the media and criminal politicians and physicians tell you how it is and hope for the best. The truth will set you free. It will also freak you the f#!K out.
I get what you're saying in regards to blind faith, but I also don't think it's fair to label all of mainstream science as "politically driven". If you take a look back at history, you'd find that maybe 80% of the time that has simply not been the case - at least in western democracies, science has, for the most part, always been independent from politics and agendas and primarily concerned with fact and knowledge. That's probably also why we've progressed so far and so quickly in fields like medicine and technology.
You also talk about "truth" as if that's something concrete and certain. It's not. All we have is different pieces evidence, and it's up to the experts (not just talking about mainstream scientists) to interpret what that evidence means. Now for those of us who don't possess the requisite knowledge, wouldn't it be best to trust what the vast majority of those experts say? If we don't, wouldn't we be creating a world built upon an unhealthy amount of distrust and doubt?
I actually have some favorite fade outs. I guess in this order:
Led zeppelin - Ramble on
Black sabbath - Sweet leaf
The Beatles - While my guitar gently weeps
Thanks for the fair take on the Spotify controversy. Personally, I think every artist has the right to have their music on whatever platform they want and anybody has the right to use or not use whatever platform they please, for whatever reason. That being said, I think the hullabaloo over the jre is kinda silly. He's had all kinds of weirdos on for years.
Honestly this take is the most reasonable of all, on any side. If people could just be civil we could actually get things done.
Except there are no "weirdos" involved (in this case). Dr Robert Malone was/is the actual inventor of the MRNA injection and he has some insight that people might want to hear out before getting regular injections of this stuff and know that it isn't even a vaccine. It is just information.... take or leave it. Last thing we need is to be denied the facts.....good or bad. It amazes me that people want to have their choices made for them and then reticule those who want to go through the process of evaluation to make an informed decision. So much brainwash these days delivered in a smug and ignorant package. No hate or judgement on you personally.... just my personal thoughts on the insane times we find ourselves. Peace and knowledge.
i think the criticism about how much spotify pays him vs the artists is pretty fair though
@@TheChristafershawn malone probably has some insight but too bad he lies or presents stuff as facts without enough evidence.
@@TheChristafershawn no offense bruh, but there have been many, many people who contributed to the development of mRNA vaccines over the decades. There really is no one "inventor". Dr Malone was an early reasercher in that field, yes. But he didn't invent mRNA vaccines.
I agree that fadeouts are something of a cop out, but you asked if there was one that we liked and I am going to respond 5 months later -Good Day Sunshine by the Beatles as a really good Fade Out. The vocals kind of take turns going in a round and I think it sounds really cool
"The opinions of non-experts on media platforms is a huge problem that is destroying society"... heres my video where I admit I am not an expert and give my opinion. I can respect your admitted hypocrisy lol Thanks for sharing your unfiltered opinion!
He’s not giving an opinion on virology or public health or epidemiology. He is giving an opinion on Joe Rogan’s dissemination of false and dangerous information.
@@sekedad4819 These dudes are so in their feelings about the Rogan things, they aren't listening and they don't understand any kind of nuance. That's why when public health officials change their statements as the pandemic evolves, they call them lies:/ And when you take the advice of 99% of doctors and epidemiologists they call you sheeple. 🤷♂️ Its very sad.
@@xking144 As Samurai said, you can find an isolated expert to say literally any batshit thing you want. That's why you look to scientific consensus, which is based on peer-reviewed literature.
@@sekedad4819 and brought to you by pfizer 🤡
@@jaredgibson7462 citation? Show me the peer reviewed evidence regarding vaccination that was somehow tainted by Pfizer?
And talk about a clown, you’d rather listen to an MMA dudebro for your health and that of those around you than the scientific establishment that has saved hundreds of millions of lives.
I've always figured fadeouts were a production decision, not an artist one...The song gets recorded, artists are pretty much done, then in production, they get to a point where they just think "Oh crap, this song is getting too long." They decide not to call the artist back in (or the artist refuses to come back) to "end" the song, and just fade it out, regardless of what's happening in the piece.
The thing is Rogan brings on all types of experts. When Rogan is wrong he always admits it, the reason people have a problem with him is that he looks at both arguments.
Because in that case the other side DOES NOT HAVE proper arguments. Thats a fact. They are just passively killing people by spreading misinformation
@@metalpuppet5798 what miss information has he spread? Do you know or are you just jumping on the bandwagon.
12:30 also consider the fadeout of Doctor Robert from the Beatles. It almost sounds like the song is ending right as they fade out, not the usual sense that a song could carry on and on and on...
I became anti expert the second science became political. Which was immediately.
Well I'm not a Beatles fan at all, but the documentary is extremely interesting for a musician, I couldn't stop watching it!