I'm surprised you didn't mention that the individual who ended his life in the incident which led to the cancellation of To Catch a Predator was a district attorney. He had been caught attempting to lure what he believed was a 13-year-old boy.
So true Ryan! He couldn't even get the predator's name right. This former officer chose to go to a jury trial and was CONVICTED. If he had actually researched the topic and PCI, his opinion on predator catchers might change. Someone has to protect the children!
I have a lot of respect for the vast majority of UK teams. They do a huge amount of good, despite the ridiculously lenient response of the law, even upon conviction.
You mentioned that the person caught ended their life. You didn’t mention that they were an assistant district attorney and that the show was forced to be shut down by other law enforcement trying to protect the monsters in their ranks.
The benefits out-weigh the risk.I'm surprised at your position. Not necessarily that you feel that way, but that you feel that way strongly enough make a video speaking out against and even making fun of the people willing to try to help. The analogy about Miley Cyrus doesn't even fit. Singing and identifying a predator, one at a time, and possibly putting them on the radar of authorities without all of the red-tape that can tie the hands of authorities, are not the same thing, at all. Acknowledging the unintended consequences of their activism is fine but, again, going as far as to speak out against, and make fun of, them is not a good look, sir. I imagined more from you.
Yes, vigilantism is almost always ill-advised. However, it's also important to see it as an expression of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice system -- where it seems like perpetrators are getting off scot-free a lot of the time. Maybe it's time to start retooling our justice system so that people can trust it to function properly. When that happens, there won't be much motivation for vigilantism in the first place.
The vigilantes don't care about justice. That's why they practice on what to say and what not to say to avoid getting punished on their own wrong doings.
These people aren’t vigilantes, they don’t punish these people, they expose them. They’re essentially a private investigators. If they were vigilantes, we probably wouldn’t be seeing their videos on TH-cam
Well, the point your making would again depend on a person's perspective and their own personal biases. You say that "vigilantism is an example of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice systemc", however, others might say that our justice system already engages in over-reach with overly powerful prosecutors and a society that relies too heavily on incarceration.
Mmmm ya this one's a miss for me. Seems very bias. Not all predator catchers are the same btw....they're actually very different and use different tactics, most aren't even religious......unpopular opinion but most people in society don't actually gaf what happens to predators, and cops aren't doing enough in this area. Pretty sure setting up and filiming crimes is just the future 😂 might need to get used to it
Hard disagree about this one. Usually your videos feel very professional and concise, but not this one. First, you took one case where the vigilantee had a religious background and stretched it to make it seem like being a predator hunter (one who dislikes the idea of children being taken advantage of enough that they do something about it) is the same as being a religious fanatic (which is usually associated with delusional obsession). Can these two overlap? Definitely. Are they similar? Absolutely not. Second, you mentioned that the vigilantee used to watch a lot of Chris Hansen and that the show was cancelled because someone killed himself because of it. Truth is, someone did kill themselves. But what you didn't mention is that there is still a lot of controversy about what exactly made him do it. Some say it was because he saw the cameras outside, while others say it was due to the fact that it was the only instance in the show where the police barged into the guys home (instead of luring him to a sting house, making it less to do with the show). There's a lot more to the story (like the predator being a district attorney). Also, the show made a huge comeback around 2015 but thats unimportant. Third, I don't know why but you're making it sound like the best course of action in this situation is to "just leave it to someone else". The police does not have limitless resources. Of course the ideal scenario would be having an infinite amount of properly trained people do it, but that will never happen. Meanwhile just the thought of the sheer amount of vigilantees lurking around posing as children may be enough of a threat to potential predators and I don't want it to be dismissed. Also, people hate relying on the police to do what's right, so theres that. Fourth, you mentioned that the vigilantees may be initiating the sexual talk themselves but... what's your point? Kids and teens are stupid, and blab with their friends about things related to sex all the time. Its the job of the ADULT to immediately turn that shit down, and ideally lecture them about the dangers of these kinds of advances. Sorry for the rant. I love your other videos a lot, and because of that this video irked me so much.
Interesting perspective, however I’m still pro pred catchers. Police departments (around the world) don’t have the budget or man power to do all the work these catchers do. Yes there might be some “vigilantes” doing this too, but until there is a solution, something has to be done. Without them, they would most likely never be caught as police don’t have the time. Majority of the catchers I’ve seen work very hard in setting up a successful conviction from start to finish and a lot of police departments/prosecutors applaud them. Meta data would show if chat logs have been modified… and adding trump and religion into the mix for your argument is very strange 😂
I watched a few of this guy's videos in the past and they seemed credible, but recently he's gotten more and more on the extreme left with his Trump Derangement Syndrome, theophobia, and acceptance of creepiness.
One thing that stood out to me during the Hanson “to catch a predator “ many of the suspects knew about the show and even thought about it and how the person they were talking to online could be a sting operation. Despite this their interests in hooking up with someone under Age outweighed the known risks involved.
And Later HANSEN GOT CAUGHT TOO; he was a grifter and cheater. It Used to be in some societies you could be put to death for THAT. He was so creepy like he was some high Lord sitting above everyone licking his chops.
@@robertgiles9124 no but it is possible to be unaware of laws that exist. But everyone knows touching is illegal & wrong. Yeah some people do care like the ones that kill their abuser. They care about stopping them. And technically they are a criminal but also a low key hero… IMO… since u asked.
I watch and support a host of predator catchers and none of them are motivated by religious reasons. The police don’t take investigations seriously and don’t conduct them. Victims often don’t come forward and so many of these guys, it’s clear it’s not their first time. I normally appreciate what Dr Grande has to say, but this is over the line. I think your analysis is too narrow and represents a mischaracterization of a lot of good people who are doing the public a service.
My problem with some of these people that do these "to catch a predator" style videos is their intentions. I've seen a lot of these people (one channel in particular) that are straight up bullies. I'm not sympathizing with the people they catch, grown men trying to meet kids, but you can clearly see that some of these youtubers don't care about kids. They just found a loophole so that they can bully people, and that's ok, because those people are worse. I've seen videos of them making fun of a guy who tried to meet a boy. But not because of that, because he was gay and he talked gay. Or videos where the guy happened to be mexican, and they kept saying "go back to your country". Non of those things had anything to do with them trying to meet 13 year olds. It's like kicking a rabid dog. Some people just like kicking dogs.
Yeah but we want to get rid of them, that includes carriers to get rid of them properly. If there’s no evidence for them to get arrested, that could be misinformation or slander. I mean if you wake up the next day and everyone calls you a pedo, how would you feel? A lot of anger and scorn.
The funniest vigilante catches was when known scam artist Ramy went to Egypt and did a couple of catches where he came close to getting murdered. I look at these creep catchers as pure candid camera inspired entertainment and I really enjoy watching the catches while also realizing money is the main motivational factor for these vigilantes who will constantly talk about where one could donate to them. I also do enjoy watching someone like Alex's precise interrogation techniques where he befriends the predator and masterfully gets them to admit everything in front of thousands of live viewers.
alex is the best by far but he's also a shit person and i'm convinced he only does it to have fun destroying peoples lives in a legal way. i dont think he really cares about catching preds.
I disagree that money is the "main" motivation. Many of these guys were childhood victims or have family members who were. Most of them started this part time to seek justice, but found that there are so many creeps that they started doing it full time, necessitating income to keep going
Where we can find those shows to donate to them? I dont care if they do it for money, if they can help the good people is totally fine anyways is a job and it deserves to be paid
@@ArkaraValtare3729 predator catchers muncie, lc predator catcher, people v preds, gordon flowers, pp toronto, protect the innocent...those are a start.
Two thoughts: 1) I have watched plenty of 'predator catcher' type groups in both the US and the UK, but I have never discerned any religious motivations in any of them- ever. 2) Trained cops blundering and lying is mostly caused by years of cultural on-the-job sloppiness, mixed with a desire to protect their jobs & pensions. Predator catchers don't have those motivations.
Predator catchers have clout, money, bias, and poor judgment to have them make similar mistakes. Nobody likes peds but the fact is what these people do 9/10 isn't helpful and could become dangerous. I've also seen a few "bloopers" of different channels accusing the wrong person. The loud public shaming battle cry isn't as helpful as they think it is. We all know how TCAP ended and I feel there's very little reason for one of these people to point the gun at others before themselves. I'm not defending predators but I don't think investigations should be handled by random folk with no authority or training
@@ChillCollins616 how effectively has it protected kids? It let's a bunch of people on the internet know that someone might be a potential predator. I'm positive people in real life aren't gonna take the person holding a phone to someone's face yelling "he's here to meet a 13yo boy" as seriously as you think.
@@ChillCollins616 Glad to see wit and logic are on your side, when a conversation hits a dead end it's always nice to accuse the other side of a heinous act instead of thinking about the real world applications of vigilantism. You'll never be the punisher, the closest you'll get to is William Foster. You can't see past punishing bad people when you're meant to be protecting innocent kids. Eb homeless or jobless is a punishment but I don't think it really stops them from offending, even TCAP had repeat offenders
I hate to admit I am in two minds about this. The police are overwhelmed with work and innocent girls are being victimized. But then to be fair I had a colleague who was set-up by the police and they successfully tried and imprisoned the bastard. I was abused by older men and I was a tubby little dumpling... If only there was a program in schools to educate. I hope and trust things have changed. In the meantime, if done properly I am all for exposing these deviants for the exploitation and the shere gall of their wickedness. I just don't encourage a group of good Ole boys trying to entrap a weasel.
I was peripherally associated with two online groups that found predictors in the 90's, which was the wild, wild west of the internet. Child pornography was posted in profiles on yahoo chat. Un neither group did the members try to apprehend the subjects. They forwarded the chat logs to an appropriate law enforcement agency. Sometimes, the member was asked to continue to a meeting with the suspect. At that point, the police were supervising. I cannot recall any religious member in both groups. Times have changed apparently.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Seems America has gone 100% woke. I don't mix religion or politics with the need to persecute or expose child predators like Hunter and his Dad.
I think that people like phunter007 have a better approach. He has a calm conversation and puts there face on the internet, then he files a police report If a bunch of people see his videos a lot of reports start flooding into police. He's a very brave man and much more civil than the other vigilantes There have been men that he's helped with mental health issues and he's also found alternatives to getting police involved for the younger ones. But those faces have to be exposed, that way we can know if there are other victims or if it's really "just my first time I swear man" And my rebuttal To your comment about this just being an attempt It's solving a complex problem, The key is someone is trying something, These predator catchers Will both numbers as high as 300 a year but policeWon't catch that many in their career
I'd have to agree. Phunter007 is more tame then the others.. he does get worked up and prolong the videos sometimes tho .. but he seems to be chiller then most
First time and young age means nothing. The life and health of an innocent child is more important. You know that the world has morally gone down the drain when we have "false compassion for perverts" as Bishop Fulton Sheen put it. Next, we'll be blaming investigative journalists who expose Catholic priests...
@@eternalrewind2190 I'm so scared for him. I don't even live in Canada but I admire him so much. People like him prove that the world isn't just an unchecked free-for-all
@@neighbor472 yeah that's the one. I'd have to admit if it were me "stinging" these guys it would become a much more extortion/slavery/blackmail type relationship rather than an interview
I honestly wish these types of groups were somehow able to get licensed after receiving proper training in order to work alongside law-enforcement, but the few I’ve observed on YT seem more about getting views, potential sponsorships, and monetizing content.
@@neighbor472 they are in the most minuscule minority then. As the original comment pointed out, many are not trained, do not conduct proper investigations, do not understand entrapment, and end up making sure nothing can be done in court against these predators.
Law enforcement isn't even well-trained enough to be trusted to apprehend people -- why should we trust any other rando violent people who are on a crusade to be any better?
Many of them do work alongside lae enforcement. They have a big book of evidence that they give to the reasoning officers. From there it is up to the officers to decide if they want to just let the pxdophiles roam or do something about it. Typically they just let them roam. Really sad we as a country don't just lxnch these people.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Yet they still do more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government which is content to sit back and let children be abused so long as they have their power and mountains of our stolen tax money to play God with.
Proper training? These people need a shrink more often then not, you wouldn't want them working with law enforcement (who could often use shrinks themselves).
I disagree with the sentiment that self-appointed vigilantes don’t understand the risks or dubiousness of their behavior. They do comprehend these things, but view their own actions as “justifiable enough” considering those that they go after. Knowing this about them goes a long way in understanding the vigilante mindset, which is comparable to a destructive activist that feels justified by reason of their cause.
Reminds me of the Internet Sleuths involved in the Elisa Lam case and how they ruined the metal musician's life, I think such organisations need more legal training and definitely need to establish an ethical behaviour through which they interact with targets. There are several OSINT Organisations who work on unsolved cases, and they always submit their findings to law-enforcement.
Entrapment is when law enforcement creates a situation wherein a person commits a crime that they would not have committed on their own. I don’t know if it applies to vigilantes. But that seems likely to be what happened with the guy who ended up in prison.
VIGILANTE(pronounced: vig•i•lan•te) - noun: a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
I know I’m thinking with my emotions more than I’m being logical, because I hear what you’re saying, but as a dad to a 4 year old, I wish we had these vigilantes in every city in America. Just because predator kills himself here and there, or just because a few people go crazy sometimes, I have nooooo issues with these people protecting our kids. More often than not, these hero’s put people behind bars or at least make the community aware of them. Here’s a crazy thought…..if people stop fucking with our children, predator catchers will have to go back to their day jobs. I don’t get this video, Dr. Grande. Jason was guilty. Maybe instead of scolding the vigilantes, scold the slow ass police departments who aren’t doing anything. You mention the vigilantes interrupting the cops…..maybe the cops should actually do something. I do agree with you on the candor of the vigilantes. I definitely don’t condone the violent rhetoric. Simply catch them and send them to jail. If anyone comments, I’m willing to listen to reason. My thoughts aren’t written in stone.
I was really interested in hearing your analysis on this subject. Ask and you shall receive, haha. The speed in which you make these detailed and insightful videos is incredible, Dr. Grande. Thank you for another in depth analysis. I appreciate your hard work. 🙏
This! I literally just left a comment that echos very similar sentiments. How Dr. G manages to put out so many of these blows my mind. I’m assuming he has some sort of private practice/clinical job , a family and life, he may even teach classes too- a lot of psychiatrists/mental health professionals also teach college courses here and there too…and he still manages to release well researched high quality videos more often than I change my damn socks. 😂😭
The speed in which these videos are produced could also signify a gap in research. Grande is making sweeping claims about an entire group of people based on the actions and persona of one pred catcher. I think the Dr could have watched a few more predator catchers.
@@Breakstop It definitely would’ve been interesting had he covered other predator investigations for sure. I at first thought there would be a bit more on him talking about to catch a predator the show because that’s what I originally requested. But still, I’ll take what I can get I guess.
@@Breakstop agreed. He seems like he's probably a really smart guy in other contexts, but you can't just read a few articles and think you have your finger on the pulse of what you just read.
A man in my former neighborhood had too much to drink and put his hand up the dress of his 15 year old daughters friend. Not far up, just above her knee. He served a year in jail, is on the Megan's Law website and has had his house burned down, has been beaten up several times and in the hospital many weeks because of self apoinyed vigilantes. He has never reoffended. He is very disabled now because of this and lives in a tent on the river bed. Hos assailants have never faced justice. Eric needs to be stopped.
I’m sorry but if one of my friends fathers had put his hands up my skirt when I was 15, I don’t care if he was drunk or not, that would’ve traumatized me or any other young teenager who trusts that the parents of their friends won’t see them like that. Not saying I agree with burning the man’s house down, but you don’t get to stick your hands up your teen daughters friends skirt, and not face consequences.
Jesus said, "whoever offends these little ones, it is better that a large stone was tied around his neck and he were cast into the sea." Alcoholics don't get a pass.
“Not far up,just above the knee”. 😮 The Justice system tried and convicted and punished him. What people took upon themselves to do to him was wrong. I am glad that 15 year old he assaulted was not silenced and forced to live with what was done to her without any justice.
As police departments and District Attorneys practice their social experiment on their population by not prosecuting or letting criminals out, vigilantes will only increase.
Over 50 pct of children live in a single parent home with very little supervision and schools don't help, that's where grade schoolers learn things concerning, sex, orientation and trans genderism that I didn't learn till I was out of school. Hopefully any moral minded person would be concerned. So what the problem really is, is that government agency aren't doing what taxpayers want them to do. I guess if you don't try and meet a child for sex you won't have anything to worry about.
Having watched several of these social media vigilante videos, it always seems their primary motivation is gaining notoriety and financial support, not the protection of children.
@Sky L They're innocent until proven guilty. If a vigilante is willing to risk their life for a child, that's admirable, regardless of the potential financial gain. Nothing good comes without potential risk.
@@MiguelDLewis absolutely however in a lot of cases like this they have evidence in advance and then perverts showing up after making plans to have sex with children so there's really not much that needs to be done except a bullet
They literally canceled to catch a predator because a piece of crap sick pervert killed themselves? Honestly that's disgusting the vast majority of people I know think that's the best route.
REQUEST: Hi Dr. Grande! I do not know if you listen to Swindled podcast (my favorite), but there is an extensive episode about Budd Dwyer and his suicide during his resignation speech on live television. Could you please cover this case and make a case for his guilt/innocence in regard to the charges brought against him? I just watched your video about Christine Chubbuck and it reminded me of Budd Dwyer's live suicide (a very disturbing and incredibly sad case as well).
Some of these groups have legit stopped some child abductions and caught registered sex offenders. The problem is (this is common among vigilante groups who take on these) they begin overstepping their grounds..To keep things exciting for their viewers (a lot of them is about views and subscribes) they get more edgy. I've seen one channel as their popularity grew they started getting more aggressive & confrontational on their "catches." In other words, they get more cocky and "comfortable" the more they do it. I think that's a problem.
Eventually one of them is going to get killed. Chris Hansen and his qualified security personnel (and present law enforcement) knew how to handle potential dangerous situations. These wannabe vigilante guys however tend to deliberately be provocative.
Making the internet less comfortable for predators to lure children is a benefit. It's necessary to expose these monsters. I'm subscribed to a few poachers. I will agree that it's dangerous. There are so many deviants out there, I commend these groups for doing their part to protect children.
The system The courts The judges The DAs If they would do their jobs...they would not have this problem. They deserve what they get. Vigilantes will do the job if they won't met out justice, TRUE justice.
Hi Dr Grande. This time I have to disagree with you and your choice of who you have chosen to be the representation for all predator catchers. There are many of these groups that work with the police and they appreciate their work catching these pedaphiles. They take their 'style' from the To Catch A Predator program which was highly regarded as an educational program about how these predators work to lure children from their homes. There are even groups that work with schools to educate the parents on how these predators work and what kinds of techniques they use. Police simply do not have the resources to do this work and children end up sexually abused or go missing. Please consider not selecting one group as a representative of all groups. Thank you.
I've watched a lot of this stuff. It's entertaining.. but I feel like they do it for money not to actually help anyone.. they tend to act like fools when catching preds..
I don't think most of these Vigilantes really care about predators being put behind bars. Most of the time, they just shove a camera in people's faces without their consent (which is not admissible in court) and threaten to call the cops if they don't speak/confess to them. Some of the time they never actually call the cops because the predator confesses to them for the spectacle on their TH-cam channel. All they care about is the confrontation and the power trip of holding a camera in someone's face while they yell at them and have all their viewers laugh along.
We ruin the predators' lives so badly that it often doesn't matter if they go to prison or not. After we perform these stings, their friends/family often abandons them, their wives leave them, they get fired from their jobs, etc. So it often doesn't even matter if they go to jail or not. One of my guys is also getting charged by the state.
Just a correction, you don’t need someones consent to record them, and that wouldn’t make it inadmissible in court. You may be confusing the state by state idea of one party/ two party consent, but that only applies to recording a conversation over the phone, not walking up in public and recording an interaction
@@troyevitt2437 The only difference here is that some people doing those first amendment audit videos have caught aggressive and corrupt police officers. Those auditors only exist because police can abuse their power and trust, and society inherently takes their word
I've always thought that it's a big ego trip for the vigilantes. They think they're something because they do this when it's actually quite foolish behavior. I wasn't impressed with Hanson's show either because all that was going on there was monetizing foolishness. Great video as always, Dr Grande.
It's ok if it's a ego trip that doesn't hurt anyone and saves the lives of innocent children. Would you rather the vigilantes not take the risk and let child offenders run free? As an aspiring father myself, I'd prefer decoys and vigilantes doing what they do, regardless of their ego trip if it helps put creeps behind bars.
It depends on their actions. I went on two coupes in my late teens. Nothing recorded. Just confrontation and fights. But it turns out to be hearsay because the guy was messing with a group member’s ex. But regarding vigilantes there’s more than just pedo vigilantes. There’s all sorts like ones that seek out drug dealers and ones with many free time who seek out commentators. If you look up Myron may, he had dealt with the commentator one.
I agree, it’s an ego trip, and a self-righteous one. I don’t side with the targets of these vigilantes, but Dr. G is right - the second these guys pick on a target their own size, or one that is truly unhinged, it’s gonna end badly for everyone involved. While I’ll admit these guys provide a certain level of schadenfreude-style entertainment, they ultimately accomplish nothing.
I support most of the child predator catchers. They deserve to be exposed and humiliated. The police do very little to bring these predators to justice. There are so many creeps out there who are abusing our precious children. Even infants are victims. My wish is for them to serve time in general population. Always appreciate your analysis Dr. Grande.
Ok another comment. I also catch predators and had the honor of working with who you called a vigilante. Eric and PCI conducted themselves professionally and for the purpose of exposing child predators with in our constitutional rights. None of this is wrong and to be discouraged nor would it matter if it was. Also prosecutors taking cases is the problem? No it's the solution. When you expose an online predator and commit to not enforcing the law degrades the principle of law and order that holds a society together. Eric is an honorable person who is devoting his life for the betterment of others with little to no return on value.
I write from Ireland and I really enjoy your videos. Your analysis of this phenomenon is absolutely correct. I myself was accused of a crime in my youth and the Police officers involved lied through their teeth throughout the process. It was only after my Lawyer was able to discredit their version of events, using CCTV footage from the alleged crime scene, that the charges against me were dropped. The whole experience taught me that the so called, good guys, are more than capable of criminal behavior in pursuit of a conviction. If the men in uniform are so untrustworthy, how can religious zealots be allowed to operate with impunity?
Pedophile catchers cannot "operate with impunity", the law obviously applies to them too, I don't know where you got that from. Your story is irrelevant to the morality and acceptability of people tricking and calling the police on pedophiles who believe they are meeting children.
@@maitiucibhleachain5139 I was merely pointing out that the Police often get tunnel vision when it comes to getting a conviction. The vigilantes are also often people who employ tunnel vision, usually because of warped religious beliefs, as pointed out in the video.
@@robg5958 I have watched tons of videos of pedophiles being caught attempting to meet children, many are quite long as they wait for police to arrive. The majority I've seen have been from the UK, but a good few from America too. Not one comment made in any of those hours of footage I've was about religion in any way. I have never seen pedophile catcher I thought was doing what they were doing because of their religion. "usually" - gonna need a source for that. This seems to be a ridiculous stereotype, and even if people were inspired by their faith to catch those attempting to meet and r*pe children, what's the problem in that being an inspiration for such a public service?
Hey doc first and foremost I love your jokes I love your content, however I do have to stick up for some of those channels they're not all fanatical. Some of them are even executed very well with security. It's everybody's responsibility to protect children. If these guys are getting monetized while doing it, then so be it. But as a single father, I'd rather predators in my area be identified and pegged. This fanatic kid is a different breed altogether. And I do think the police department gets a little butt hurt considering how many people they catch are either current or former police officers
I can. Nobody, not a single set of individuals on the planet wants child predators around (except child predators), doesn't matter who you are. But being a vigilante is not the solution, at least not untrained and unsupervised. If there was a program, assistance for mentally questionable people to avoid becoming a predator, good reporting for families and a less aggressive and targeted police force or an independent task force, this would be a lot less of an issue. Sadly no matter what, most child assault happens from family members meaning the biggest thing we can do is teach people how to raise kids and report things when we see any hints.
Very glad to get back to your episodes. I've been deeply distracted by hurricane Ian. My prayers to all who have suffered loss. We were spared, but my heart is with those who were not.
I have observed these so-called "creep catchers" and I feel they are motivated by some prurient need to exact vengeance or "justice" on someone who is not worthy of sympathy. Furthermore, they seem to try to present themselves as "winners" in the fight against child exploitation and I think that's pretty messed up. There really are no winners here.
The creep catchers are doing more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government, but then again you got to think the federal government is infested with pxdophiles who are just trying to look out for their own kind. Look at uncle Joe and his rxpe showers and comments about him being 30 and "her" being 14. Imagine living in the timeline where we elected a pxdophile.
the winners are the preds. these idiots mess up and current or future investigation. now the pred nearly has to be found with a live boy or ded girl. to get anything to stick.
Have a word with yourself and stop feeling sorry for predators! Of course they feel a sense of winning, these stings are hard work and horrible but what keeps them going is the hope they will catch the man who is trying to abuse children. They deserve a medal. There is a few prominent groups in the U.K. who have had excellent success and have been on TV etc. As long as they are organised and do not break any laws or harm the abuser and let the law deal with them. No sympathy for them. This isn’t a “both sides” thing.
Thanks for bringing this up. its a huge area of very sick people preying on innocent kids. But, what solution is there to prevent and police this??? I cant think of another better than this.
To Catch A Predator has a dirty secret; NBC doesn't want you to know that after the T.C.A.P. arrests, judges and DAs dropped a significant amount of the charges. That fact was brought to light by a competing network, ABC. ABC dug in and found out that DAs and judges had problems with the way evidence was collected by non-police entities-NBC Television and Perverted Justice. The police played too small a role, compromising chain-of-custody, and were often just the muscle that tackled the sickos as they left the decoy houses. When evidence is gathered by a TV network motivated by ratings and ad revenue, it gives defense attorneys ammo to prove the network was biased in favor of landing the arrest footage.
@@MiguelDLewis I didn't remember he was an assistant DA. OOF! So does that mean that they are seriously still making new ones? I thought Hansen said they were done when I saw him on YHM, fairly recently.
While I agree with some of what Dr. Grande is saying, I think this guy did get it right in this situation. Some people, through experience or intuition do get it right. I’m not saying that it’s ok for vigilantes to act without lots of evidence, but it seems this guy was kind of a psychopath and was going to commit crimes regardless
Can you make a video talking about the following case? The girl-push incident, involving Dutch cyclist Mathieu van der Poel, and 2 teen girls. Was he treated too severe by law and the media/fans etc? (In my opinion he obviously was)
@@johnengland8619 just to practically stand on a track where individuals have trained their whole life to race on is insane, let alone how many injuries were there, aside from someone coulda been killed. What an ass🤣🤣🤣
Where did these teams identify with ‘religion?’ I think your bias snuck into your post. Were these people those who care about children or of some type or a mental illness. You need to apologize.
Ahh, ok. So, you have no problem in being wrongly accused by vigilantes, and feeling their wrath? At least with police, they are trained to investigate and take appropriate action, and are actually have checks and balances. Vigilantes have no checks and balances. Vigilante justice has proven to be an overall negative on society. If it was an overall positive, we wouldn't have police.
@@Locutus No viligante justice as in thinking someone is guilty and killing them is wrong. In this case it being used to catch pedophiles i see nothing wrong with it. As an adult male there is no way anyone could entice me to meet up with an underage person for sexual purposes if I wasn't into that thing. He wasn't forced to meet her, and even tho she was supposenly 14 he kept saying ur 18 hoping she would play along and say yes giving himself an excuse if caught. So he knew what he was doing was wrong. Police catch people after a crime is committed no real resources to stop these sort of crime before someone kid is abused.
@@Locutus wrongly being accused is bad, but it's not wrongly accused when they have a whole ass conversation with someone that thinks you're a child and then you confront them. That's a very net positive to society. If police were any good at their job, they wouldn't have a need to do what they do.
Vigilantes are always a bad thing, no matter what. There needs to be a set of rules on how to properly behave and make sure that the person/persons rights and dignities are proteced. That's why we have trained people to do that. Justice can never be based on feelings and never be served based on emotions. All people no matter what the crime they are accused of (or guilty of) shall be treated equally. Vigilantes can on the surface seem like a good thing but in reality it's a bad thing. They don't have the skills required and they don't know the law. Sharing videos of people "getting caught" online with faces and names is a bad thing. People if found guilty of a crime, are according to law inncocent when they have done time served in jail, and must therefore be treated as innocent. They have paid their debt to society. Vigilantes do not have the skills required to do what they are doing.
Garbage. These people aren't "vigilantes", they turn the chatlogs over to the police. If the cops were doing their job there would be no space for public catchers.
@@kristoffersmith8289 It's the principle of the rights of people in the legal system i am defending. If you say that these 'vigilantes', are setting up sting operations and then handing the chatlogs over to the authorities, then it woud never e accepted as evidence and these same people have also violated the law. You cannot pretend to be an investigator and think that somwhow you you are allowed to do an illegal act or bend the rules, which not even the police are allowed to d, the police also have to obtain legal justification in order to spy on someone and that's a good thing, otherwise it would easy to violate teh right of privacy. You must have a specific reason to investigate some individual or group and i do believe that the authorities are doing everythig they can to arrest individuals who violates the law, but they need to prove without doubt and the evidence has to be obtained in a correct manner, to ensure that no corrupt evidence has been submitted. There has to be stringent rules for evidence collecting in order to protect the innocent and to make sure that a fair trial will be taking place. What we see from vigilantes is video of someone they "caught" and then they try to humiliate them, but we havent seen any actual evidence and we do not hear from the accused party their side of the story. We can also assume that any evidence obtained from these vigilantes, would be wrongfully collected. Vigilantes are not above the law, and to interfere (violate) with other peple privacy is illegal. We must have unbiased people (judges, lawyers etc.) to make an fair judgement call in any criminal case.
Batman comes to mind as fictional character vigilantes. a moral compass is often compromised when it comes to these real life types of vigilantes. sometimes people have to make a stand but usually thier moral justification is sketchy.
I enjoyed the Yoko Ono comment, very funny. Your analyses of your subjects are interesting, interspersed with humour. Thank you for the uploads Dr Grande.
Hi Rejane - Children must be protected. But the psychology of these predators is so very sad! They seem to be very resistant to any treatment and re-offend! They can't be allowed to endanger kids but how to stop them in time is so problematic! We need better resources but I don't know what they are?🤔😓
@@bthomsonWe definitely need more resources to protect our children. However, I do think that mental health treatment is the cure to so many ailments in society. If we had more easily available resources such as mental health counseling and psychiatric consults, maybe we would have more stability in the overall population and less crime.
They have huge egos. Justice system already is unfair at times, no need to add a bunch of untrained yahoos trying to catch people. Great points always. Thanks Dr G😊💞💞
I’ve never seen a group with huge egos and I follow a lot of these channels. You could argue the police would also be untrained yahoos as they would most likely be thrown on a 1 week course as “training”. These catchers focus solely on predator hunting, see it as a specialty which they get better and better at the more they do because that’s all they do. Police have a much broader scope on what they cover and are busy enough as it is on a day to day basis. So you could actually argue - “a jack of all trades is a master of none”
@@montana6489 As Dr G said they make many mistakes. Good intent doesn't always mean great outcomes. They have no law degrees and could wrongly set someone up/cause them to go to jail.. They are mostly yahoos. Bringing cops issues into this is off subject and deflecting.
Wait, a police officer takes a gun to have sex with an underage girl but the guys who busted him are the dangerous conspiracy loons? I think at the end you went way overboard and painted these groups with a very broad and unfair brush. Some of them may be grandiose and fall for conspiracy theories for sure, but many of these groups certainly do not fall into that category and actually try to have real conversations with the predators. Some even get the predators connected with mental health professionals. Great video but I feel you jumped the shark at the end.
@@althunder4269 So you're cool with a pedo bringing his gun to molest an underage girl? I am 2nd amendment all the way and own several guns including 2 semi-automatic sporting riffles but bringing a gun to molest a child just screams kidnapper to me. Regardless the point is he expressed more outrage over the rude behavior from supposed conspiracy theory goofs than an armed pedo doing God knows what to a helpless child. That's unfortunate.
I’m not sure if you take request from your comment section but I would love if you would review the case of Hailey Dunn. I just recently found your channel and would love to see your insight on this particular case because of its many ups and downs.
@@adulthumanfemale8666 the problem with hunters is they can completely ruin a case against a potential predator if they step out of the bounds of the law.
It is very dependent on the group - in the UK they have been prominent for quite a while now, and whilst they also trace back to TCAP they were more common earlier on. This is a general statement, so there are exceptions on either side of the pond, but the UK groups tend to be better than the US ones. This is because Citizens Arrest laws are far more established and well understood in the UK - or at least in England, Scotland is a different matter but the behaviour of the groups is not dissimilar - and as a result usually they will arrest the predator and hold them until the police arise. Many groups attempt to keep the families out of shot, and attempt to avoid identifying places of work and homes. Now, this is not to say they are all as well behaved as this, there are prominent examples of having the predators arrive dressed up as clowns, getting dwarf predators to kick themselves in the head and the usual humiliation tactics. With that said, these are less common than in the US, where phoning the families up to get a reaction and filming it are common place tactics and there are examples of groups intentionally avoiding drawing police attention for further clout. The problem as I see it, is on the average US "vigilantes" are more in it for the clout, whereas in the UK whereas clout is a concern, the primary one involves them working within the law to get these creeps arrested. Maybe the US should have clearer Citizens Arrest laws, although actually with all the guns available... maybe not.
Idk, a lot of these groups have caught legitimately scary people who needed to be caught, but the police weren’t doing anything about it. I just don’t think there’s ever a reason for a middle aged man to meet with a 13 year old 🤷♀️
Nah, man. These vigilantes often don't have a proper grasp of what constitutes entrapment, so no matter how wrong the person they "catch" is, there is no legal recourse. This means that these groups end up just teaching predators how to be better predators, which makes everyone less safe.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 yeh it’s better if they just meet them and hand out a floging. It’s less likely someone would meet up with a kid, if they just got bashed trying too do so
@@Hydro-od2rt doubtful. But it will make them better predators, because they will learn from their mistakes. Meaning that they are more likely to victimize more people for much longer. They just become better at it with every beating.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Idk tho they’re most likely too do thos same things any ways right, at least have them get there head stomped on by a couple guys there more likely to reconsider there actions in future, It’s better then nothing tho right
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the individual who ended his life in the incident which led to the cancellation of To Catch a Predator was a district attorney. He had been caught attempting to lure what he believed was a 13-year-old boy.
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Good riddance
"A self...[UUP-ointet] and self...[PROOO-claimed]...district attorney who frequently elected to make use of the.........[VAH-mit] emoji.🤮"
probably why it ended tcap. cant have them catching important people!
It was the district attorney's sister who filed a lawsuit and won, what caused the show to be cancelled.
🤦♂️ He got so much wrong in this video I can't even...
So true Ryan! He couldn't even get the predator's name right. This former officer chose to go to a jury trial and was CONVICTED. If he had actually researched the topic and PCI, his opinion on predator catchers might change. Someone has to protect the children!
Hunting teams have got 963 predators arrested in 245 days here in the UK. No violence and with solid evidence to get them convicted.
Awesome 👍
No violence…impressive
Solid evidence and convictions fantastic!
Keep up your great methods
Way to go, gotta catch em all! Go get em hunters... never stop hunting!
I have a lot of respect for the vast majority of UK teams. They do a huge amount of good, despite the ridiculously lenient response of the law, even upon conviction.
Unless they are Muslim….then they just go free right? In the uk?
Your dry humor catches me off guard at times, but it is absolutely hilarious. It definitely brings levity to the subject matter. Thank you.
As an Englishman, this humour is just normal speech 😊
Me too! 😂
@@RaferJeffersonIII British humour is best humour!!!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure his jokes are his way of letting people know not to take his vids too seriously and to protect himself from lawsuits.
You mentioned that the person caught ended their life. You didn’t mention that they were an assistant district attorney and that the show was forced to be shut down by other law enforcement trying to protect the monsters in their ranks.
The police do not dictate what programming NBC airs.
No. The district attorney's sister filed a lawsuit against NBC and local law enforcement, and won, therefore cancelling the show.
THANK YOU
This dude is controlled opposition, or just suffers from severe cognitive dissonance. Maybe even both.
The benefits out-weigh the risk.I'm surprised at your position. Not necessarily that you feel that way, but that you feel that way strongly enough make a video speaking out against and even making fun of the people willing to try to help. The analogy about Miley Cyrus doesn't even fit. Singing and identifying a predator, one at a time, and possibly putting them on the radar of authorities without all of the red-tape that can tie the hands of authorities, are not the same thing, at all. Acknowledging the unintended consequences of their activism is fine but, again, going as far as to speak out against, and make fun of, them is not a good look, sir. I imagined more from you.
seems like they did a great job. I'm amazed they gave him 6 years. that's good. and i don't think I could ever feel sympathy for these people
And you shouldn't
Yes, vigilantism is almost always ill-advised. However, it's also important to see it as an expression of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice system -- where it seems like perpetrators are getting off scot-free a lot of the time. Maybe it's time to start retooling our justice system so that people can trust it to function properly. When that happens, there won't be much motivation for vigilantism in the first place.
The vigilantes don't care about justice. That's why they practice on what to say and what not to say to avoid getting punished on their own wrong doings.
These people aren’t vigilantes, they don’t punish these people, they expose them. They’re essentially a private investigators. If they were vigilantes, we probably wouldn’t be seeing their videos on TH-cam
Well, the point your making would again depend on a person's perspective and their own personal biases. You say that "vigilantism is an example of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice systemc", however, others might say that our justice system already engages in over-reach with overly powerful prosecutors and a society that relies too heavily on incarceration.
Agreed 👍
Your completely right, and there's so many pedo apologists an criminal forgiving weirdos now I totally expected responses like the ones above...
Mmmm ya this one's a miss for me. Seems very bias. Not all predator catchers are the same btw....they're actually very different and use different tactics, most aren't even religious......unpopular opinion but most people in society don't actually gaf what happens to predators, and cops aren't doing enough in this area. Pretty sure setting up and filiming crimes is just the future 😂 might need to get used to it
“If a police officer collected it using the same tactics.” Regarding evidence….
OKAY WHERE ARE THEY???
@@GilaMonster971 hiiiiii! 👋
Thank God someone is doing something, these guys are heroes 👍
Hard disagree about this one. Usually your videos feel very professional and concise, but not this one.
First, you took one case where the vigilantee had a religious background and stretched it to make it seem like being a predator hunter (one who dislikes the idea of children being taken advantage of enough that they do something about it) is the same as being a religious fanatic (which is usually associated with delusional obsession). Can these two overlap? Definitely. Are they similar? Absolutely not.
Second, you mentioned that the vigilantee used to watch a lot of Chris Hansen and that the show was cancelled because someone killed himself because of it. Truth is, someone did kill themselves. But what you didn't mention is that there is still a lot of controversy about what exactly made him do it. Some say it was because he saw the cameras outside, while others say it was due to the fact that it was the only instance in the show where the police barged into the guys home (instead of luring him to a sting house, making it less to do with the show). There's a lot more to the story (like the predator being a district attorney). Also, the show made a huge comeback around 2015 but thats unimportant.
Third, I don't know why but you're making it sound like the best course of action in this situation is to "just leave it to someone else". The police does not have limitless resources. Of course the ideal scenario would be having an infinite amount of properly trained people do it, but that will never happen. Meanwhile just the thought of the sheer amount of vigilantees lurking around posing as children may be enough of a threat to potential predators and I don't want it to be dismissed. Also, people hate relying on the police to do what's right, so theres that.
Fourth, you mentioned that the vigilantees may be initiating the sexual talk themselves but... what's your point? Kids and teens are stupid, and blab with their friends about things related to sex all the time. Its the job of the ADULT to immediately turn that shit down, and ideally lecture them about the dangers of these kinds of advances.
Sorry for the rant. I love your other videos a lot, and because of that this video irked me so much.
Thoughtful and presise objections.
Interesting perspective, however I’m still pro pred catchers. Police departments (around the world) don’t have the budget or man power to do all the work these catchers do. Yes there might be some “vigilantes” doing this too, but until there is a solution, something has to be done. Without them, they would most likely never be caught as police don’t have the time. Majority of the catchers I’ve seen work very hard in setting up a successful conviction from start to finish and a lot of police departments/prosecutors applaud them. Meta data would show if chat logs have been modified… and adding trump and religion into the mix for your argument is very strange 😂
I watched a few of this guy's videos in the past and they seemed credible, but recently he's gotten more and more on the extreme left with his Trump Derangement Syndrome, theophobia, and acceptance of creepiness.
One thing that stood out to me during the Hanson “to catch a predator “ many of the suspects knew about the show and even thought about it and how the person they were talking to online could be a sting operation. Despite this their interests in hooking up with someone under Age outweighed the known risks involved.
And Later HANSEN GOT CAUGHT TOO; he was a grifter and cheater. It Used to be in some societies you could be put to death for THAT. He was so creepy like he was some high Lord sitting above everyone licking his chops.
@Predator Catchers PA ShAFiQ
*most* of the people committing SA crimes know that they are doing so……they just don’t care who gets hurt in the process.
@@TCoyTheDecoy As opposed to OTHER criminals....who care so much? Are you kidding?
@@robertgiles9124 no but it is possible to be unaware of laws that exist. But everyone knows touching is illegal & wrong. Yeah some people do care like the ones that kill their abuser. They care about stopping them. And technically they are a criminal but also a low key hero… IMO… since u asked.
I watch and support a host of predator catchers and none of them are motivated by religious reasons. The police don’t take investigations seriously and don’t conduct them. Victims often don’t come forward and so many of these guys, it’s clear it’s not their first time. I normally appreciate what Dr Grande has to say, but this is over the line. I think your analysis is too narrow and represents a mischaracterization of a lot of good people who are doing the public a service.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
My problem with some of these people that do these "to catch a predator" style videos is their intentions. I've seen a lot of these people (one channel in particular) that are straight up bullies. I'm not sympathizing with the people they catch, grown men trying to meet kids, but you can clearly see that some of these youtubers don't care about kids. They just found a loophole so that they can bully people, and that's ok, because those people are worse.
I've seen videos of them making fun of a guy who tried to meet a boy. But not because of that, because he was gay and he talked gay. Or videos where the guy happened to be mexican, and they kept saying "go back to your country". Non of those things had anything to do with them trying to meet 13 year olds.
It's like kicking a rabid dog. Some people just like kicking dogs.
When I was in high school girls always bragging about their 20 something year old boyfriends
High schoolers are fools. They have no idea how the world works or what's good for them. I was a fool in hs and every girl I knew was a fool too.
My boyfriend was 38 and I was 16. Now my bf is 36 and I am 56!
I was sadly one of those girls. Groomers do a lot of love bombing & have the upper hand due to high-schoolers being so pure & naive.
I dont think exposing pedophiles is a bad thing. Expose them, even if they don't get arrested their life gets ruined.
Yeah but we want to get rid of them, that includes carriers to get rid of them properly. If there’s no evidence for them to get arrested, that could be misinformation or slander. I mean if you wake up the next day and everyone calls you a pedo, how would you feel? A lot of anger and scorn.
Not at All
The funniest vigilante catches was when known scam artist Ramy went to Egypt and did a couple of catches where he came close to getting murdered. I look at these creep catchers as pure candid camera inspired entertainment and I really enjoy watching the catches while also realizing money is the main motivational factor for these vigilantes who will constantly talk about where one could donate to them. I also do enjoy watching someone like Alex's precise interrogation techniques where he befriends the predator and masterfully gets them to admit everything in front of thousands of live viewers.
alex is massive sociopath!!!
alex is the best by far but he's also a shit person and i'm convinced he only does it to have fun destroying peoples lives in a legal way. i dont think he really cares about catching preds.
I disagree that money is the "main" motivation. Many of these guys were childhood victims or have family members who were. Most of them started this part time to seek justice, but found that there are so many creeps that they started doing it full time, necessitating income to keep going
Where we can find those shows to donate to them? I dont care if they do it for money, if they can help the good people is totally fine anyways is a job and it deserves to be paid
@@ArkaraValtare3729 predator catchers muncie, lc predator catcher, people v preds, gordon flowers, pp toronto, protect the innocent...those are a start.
Two thoughts: 1) I have watched plenty of 'predator catcher' type groups in both the US and the UK, but I have never discerned any religious motivations in any of them- ever.
2) Trained cops blundering and lying is mostly caused by years of cultural on-the-job sloppiness, mixed with a desire to protect their jobs & pensions. Predator catchers don't have those motivations.
Good comment
@@AlphanumericCharacters You kidding, right?
Predator catchers have clout, money, bias, and poor judgment to have them make similar mistakes. Nobody likes peds but the fact is what these people do 9/10 isn't helpful and could become dangerous. I've also seen a few "bloopers" of different channels accusing the wrong person. The loud public shaming battle cry isn't as helpful as they think it is. We all know how TCAP ended and I feel there's very little reason for one of these people to point the gun at others before themselves. I'm not defending predators but I don't think investigations should be handled by random folk with no authority or training
@@ChillCollins616 how effectively has it protected kids? It let's a bunch of people on the internet know that someone might be a potential predator. I'm positive people in real life aren't gonna take the person holding a phone to someone's face yelling "he's here to meet a 13yo boy" as seriously as you think.
@@ChillCollins616 Glad to see wit and logic are on your side, when a conversation hits a dead end it's always nice to accuse the other side of a heinous act instead of thinking about the real world applications of vigilantism. You'll never be the punisher, the closest you'll get to is William Foster. You can't see past punishing bad people when you're meant to be protecting innocent kids. Eb homeless or jobless is a punishment but I don't think it really stops them from offending, even TCAP had repeat offenders
I hate to admit I am in two minds about this.
The police are overwhelmed with work and innocent girls are being victimized. But then to be fair I had a colleague who was set-up by the police and they successfully tried and imprisoned the bastard.
I was abused by older men and I was a tubby little dumpling...
If only there was a program in schools to educate. I hope and trust things have changed.
In the meantime, if done properly I am all for exposing these deviants for the exploitation and the shere gall of their wickedness.
I just don't encourage a group of good Ole boys trying to entrap a weasel.
With some groups their hearts are in the right place but others do it for a weird power trip , internet clout and TH-cam money.
@@ChillCollins616 you’re missing the point they say they’re all about saving kids
Tbh as long as they catch the guys, I don't care if they're motivated by selfish reasons.
I was peripherally associated with two online groups that found predictors in the 90's, which was the wild, wild west of the internet. Child pornography was posted in profiles on yahoo chat. Un neither group did the members try to apprehend the subjects. They forwarded the chat logs to an appropriate law enforcement agency. Sometimes, the member was asked to continue to a meeting with the suspect. At that point, the police were supervising. I cannot recall any religious member in both groups. Times have changed apparently.
The good doctor hates Trump and Religion. He has bad TDS. He is too smart for that. At least he thinks so.
Were you in America? The kookiest religious folk ruin all sorts of things in America.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Seems America has gone 100% woke. I don't mix religion or politics with the need to persecute or expose child predators like Hunter and his Dad.
“They” have changed? What does that mean? As if “religious” people are a single bloc huh. Wow just wow
non of these catchers are doing it for religious morality reasons
I think that people like phunter007 have a better approach. He has a calm conversation and puts there face on the internet, then he files a police report
If a bunch of people see his videos a lot of reports start flooding into police. He's a very brave man and much more civil than the other vigilantes
There have been men that he's helped with mental health issues and he's also found alternatives to getting police involved for the younger ones.
But those faces have to be exposed, that way we can know if there are other victims or if it's really "just my first time I swear man"
And my rebuttal To your comment about this just being an attempt It's solving a complex problem, The key is someone is trying something, These predator catchers Will both numbers as high as 300 a year but policeWon't catch that many in their career
I'd have to agree. Phunter007 is more tame then the others.. he does get worked up and prolong the videos sometimes tho .. but he seems to be chiller then most
First time and young age means nothing. The life and health of an innocent child is more important. You know that the world has morally gone down the drain when we have "false compassion for perverts" as Bishop Fulton Sheen put it. Next, we'll be blaming investigative journalists who expose Catholic priests...
@@eternalrewind2190 I'm so scared for him. I don't even live in Canada but I admire him so much. People like him prove that the world isn't just an unchecked free-for-all
@@neighbor472 yeah that's the one. I'd have to admit if it were me "stinging" these guys it would become a much more extortion/slavery/blackmail type relationship rather than an interview
Chet Goldstein/Alex/Gordon ia my favorite
I honestly wish these types of groups were somehow able to get licensed after receiving proper training in order to work alongside law-enforcement, but the few I’ve observed on YT seem more about getting views, potential sponsorships, and monetizing content.
@@neighbor472 they are in the most minuscule minority then. As the original comment pointed out, many are not trained, do not conduct proper investigations, do not understand entrapment, and end up making sure nothing can be done in court against these predators.
Law enforcement isn't even well-trained enough to be trusted to apprehend people -- why should we trust any other rando violent people who are on a crusade to be any better?
Many of them do work alongside lae enforcement. They have a big book of evidence that they give to the reasoning officers. From there it is up to the officers to decide if they want to just let the pxdophiles roam or do something about it. Typically they just let them roam. Really sad we as a country don't just lxnch these people.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Yet they still do more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government which is content to sit back and let children be abused so long as they have their power and mountains of our stolen tax money to play God with.
Proper training? These people need a shrink more often then not, you wouldn't want them working with law enforcement (who could often use shrinks themselves).
Police wait until crimes happen to do anything. At least these guys are trying to stop kids from being abused before it happens.
I also LOVE hearing any jokes by Dr. Grande, Honestly these quips crack me up sometimes 🤣
"mostly because of the murder part..."
One should always make jokes when discussing vile men that fuk kids. Laugh cry emoji....sooo funny!
Chatlogs are physically extracted off of devices….
Doesn't help that some of these vigilantes think they are Judge Jury and Executioner.
No. It doesn’t help the predator.
@@2legit2Kwit wtf is your profile 😂😂
They call the cops and turn over evidence actuallu
Cancel culture
If authorities fail to enforce the law, it will be enforced by the people. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. It's human nature.
I disagree with the sentiment that self-appointed vigilantes don’t understand the risks or dubiousness of their behavior. They do comprehend these things, but view their own actions as “justifiable enough” considering those that they go after. Knowing this about them goes a long way in understanding the vigilante mindset, which is comparable to a destructive activist that feels justified by reason of their cause.
Reminds me of the Internet Sleuths involved in the Elisa Lam case and how they ruined the metal musician's life, I think such organisations need more legal training and definitely need to establish an ethical behaviour through which they interact with targets. There are several OSINT Organisations who work on unsolved cases, and they always submit their findings to law-enforcement.
Entrapment is when law enforcement creates a situation wherein a person commits a crime that they would not have committed on their own. I don’t know if it applies to vigilantes. But that seems likely to be what happened with the guy who ended up in prison.
VIGILANTE(pronounced: vig•i•lan•te) - noun: a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
Sounds like we need more vigilantes.
Who else was watching Anxiety War doing this long before the boom in the market?
Wait Jason was carrying a gun when he went to meet an underage girl?
Nah it’s fine he was just gonna take her hunting after dinner.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The undercover group got lucky! He could have opened fire on then
@@robd1329 seriously 😳
Two words: role playing chat room, dude.
That's literally 5 words though...
Roleplaying* Chatroom*
You look like law enforcement, and I know law enforcement. Lol
@@kristenjustkristen9462 Hey, I don't wanna be on TV dawg. 😁
Yeah that's not vigilantism.. 🤦♂️
I know I’m thinking with my emotions more than I’m being logical, because I hear what you’re saying, but as a dad to a 4 year old, I wish we had these vigilantes in every city in America. Just because predator kills himself here and there, or just because a few people go crazy sometimes, I have nooooo issues with these people protecting our kids. More often than not, these hero’s put people behind bars or at least make the community aware of them.
Here’s a crazy thought…..if people stop fucking with our children, predator catchers will have to go back to their day jobs.
I don’t get this video, Dr. Grande. Jason was guilty. Maybe instead of scolding the vigilantes, scold the slow ass police departments who aren’t doing anything.
You mention the vigilantes interrupting the cops…..maybe the cops should actually do something.
I do agree with you on the candor of the vigilantes. I definitely don’t condone the violent rhetoric. Simply catch them and send them to jail.
If anyone comments, I’m willing to listen to reason. My thoughts aren’t written in stone.
The civilian vigilantes sounds like a hip-hop or post punk group. 🤣
I picture them as jazz rap group from the 90s.
@@kauswekazilimani3736 like Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest, or Arrested Development?
@@DreamingInTechnicolor Black Sheep, De La Soul 😂
@@kauswekazilimani3736 or almost anything touched by J Dilla!
@@kauswekazilimani3736 Mad Villain
A lot of things you say in this video simply aren’t true. Child predators don’t deserve rights. You should check your facts before making videos.
I was really interested in hearing your analysis on this subject. Ask and you shall receive, haha. The speed in which you make these detailed and insightful videos is incredible, Dr. Grande. Thank you for another in depth analysis. I appreciate your hard work. 🙏
This! I literally just left a comment that echos very similar sentiments. How Dr. G manages to put out so many of these blows my mind. I’m assuming he has some sort of private practice/clinical job , a family and life, he may even teach classes too- a lot of psychiatrists/mental health professionals also teach college courses here and there too…and he still manages to release well researched high quality videos more often than I change my damn socks. 😂😭
Ah! Another analysis (I like it!)
The speed in which these videos are produced could also signify a gap in research. Grande is making sweeping claims about an entire group of people based on the actions and persona of one pred catcher. I think the Dr could have watched a few more predator catchers.
@@Breakstop It definitely would’ve been interesting had he covered other predator investigations for sure. I at first thought there would be a bit more on him talking about to catch a predator the show because that’s what I originally requested. But still, I’ll take what I can get I guess.
@@Breakstop agreed. He seems like he's probably a really smart guy in other contexts, but you can't just read a few articles and think you have your finger on the pulse of what you just read.
Burning that midnight oil again! Loving on us insomnia folks! Always a treat Dr. Grande!
Ha!
A man in my former neighborhood had too much to drink and put his hand up the dress of his 15 year old daughters friend. Not far up, just above her knee. He served a year in jail, is on the Megan's Law website and has had his house burned down, has been beaten up several times and in the hospital many weeks because of self apoinyed vigilantes. He has never reoffended. He is very disabled now because of this and lives in a tent on the river bed. Hos assailants have never faced justice. Eric needs to be stopped.
I’m sorry but if one of my friends fathers had put his hands up my skirt when I was 15, I don’t care if he was drunk or not, that would’ve traumatized me or any other young teenager who trusts that the parents of their friends won’t see them like that. Not saying I agree with burning the man’s house down, but you don’t get to stick your hands up your teen daughters friends skirt, and not face consequences.
Jesus said, "whoever offends these little ones, it is better that a large stone was tied around his neck and he were cast into the sea." Alcoholics don't get a pass.
@@jessica_jam4386 Don't be sorry Jessica. You are completely right to say exactly what you said and the perfect person to say it.
“Not far up,just above the knee”. 😮
The Justice system tried and convicted and punished him. What people took upon themselves to do to him was wrong.
I am glad that 15 year old he assaulted was not silenced and forced to live with what was done to her without any justice.
Thanks for the good news!
11:40 this has nothing to do with the police and everything to do with the district attorney. Show some integrity and acknowledge that.
The district attorneys should allow illegally obtained and unreliable evidence in court?
@@MrAerohank "illegally obtained and unreliable" how so?
@@MrAerohank no, I said it’s up to the district attorney to use evidence by these groups, it’s not up to the police.
@@MrAerohank The evidence was so ,,illegal'' that the predator was convicted based on them :)
As police departments and District Attorneys practice their social experiment on their population by not prosecuting or letting criminals out, vigilantes will only increase.
Interesting commentary. The Miley Cyrus comment though seems like bullying
Over 50 pct of children live in a single parent home with very little supervision and schools don't help, that's where grade schoolers learn things concerning, sex, orientation and trans genderism that I didn't learn till I was out of school. Hopefully any moral minded person would be concerned. So what the problem really is, is that government agency aren't doing what taxpayers want them to do. I guess if you don't try and meet a child for sex you won't have anything to worry about.
Having watched several of these social media vigilante videos, it always seems their primary motivation is gaining notoriety and financial support, not the protection of children.
Chris Hanson was one guy who came unstuck with his program "take a seat".
Maybe that's ok as long as creeps are arrested and no actual children are involved. Profit and passion aren't mutually exclusive.
@Sky L They're innocent until proven guilty. If a vigilante is willing to risk their life for a child, that's admirable, regardless of the potential financial gain. Nothing good comes without potential risk.
As long as they catch perverts who really cares
@@MiguelDLewis absolutely however in a lot of cases like this they have evidence in advance and then perverts showing up after making plans to have sex with children so there's really not much that needs to be done except a bullet
They literally canceled to catch a predator because a piece of crap sick pervert killed themselves? Honestly that's disgusting the vast majority of people I know think that's the best route.
You are a friend of Putin. Go join up! He will welcome you. Enjoy your life now. Find friends who appreciate you.
REQUEST: Hi Dr. Grande! I do not know if you listen to Swindled podcast (my favorite), but there is an extensive episode about Budd Dwyer and his suicide during his resignation speech on live television. Could you please cover this case and make a case for his guilt/innocence in regard to the charges brought against him? I just watched your video about Christine Chubbuck and it reminded me of Budd Dwyer's live suicide (a very disturbing and incredibly sad case as well).
Some of these groups have legit stopped some child abductions and caught registered sex offenders. The problem is (this is common among vigilante groups who take on these) they begin overstepping their grounds..To keep things exciting for their viewers (a lot of them is about views and subscribes) they get more edgy. I've seen one channel as their popularity grew they started getting more aggressive & confrontational on their "catches." In other words, they get more cocky and "comfortable" the more they do it. I think that's a problem.
Heavy sack beatings are up a whopping 900%
Eventually one of them is going to get killed. Chris Hansen and his qualified security personnel (and present law enforcement) knew how to handle potential dangerous situations. These wannabe vigilante guys however tend to deliberately be provocative.
Trump is living in the good doctor's head rent free like it's AirBnB. The TDS is strong in the Good Doctor Todd.
Making the internet less comfortable for predators to lure children is a benefit. It's necessary to expose these monsters. I'm subscribed to a few poachers. I will agree that it's dangerous. There are so many deviants out there, I commend these groups for doing their part to protect children.
Amen!
The system
The courts
The judges
The DAs
If they would do their jobs...they would not have this problem. They deserve what they get. Vigilantes will do the job if they won't met out justice, TRUE justice.
Hi Dr Grande. This time I have to disagree with you and your choice of who you have chosen to be the representation for all predator catchers. There are many of these groups that work with the police and they appreciate their work catching these pedaphiles. They take their 'style' from the To Catch A Predator program which was highly regarded as an educational program about how these predators work to lure children from their homes. There are even groups that work with schools to educate the parents on how these predators work and what kinds of techniques they use. Police simply do not have the resources to do this work and children end up sexually abused or go missing. Please consider not selecting one group as a representative of all groups. Thank you.
I've watched a lot of this stuff. It's entertaining.. but I feel like they do it for money not to actually help anyone.. they tend to act like fools when catching preds..
I don't think most of these Vigilantes really care about predators being put behind bars. Most of the time, they just shove a camera in people's faces without their consent (which is not admissible in court) and threaten to call the cops if they don't speak/confess to them. Some of the time they never actually call the cops because the predator confesses to them for the spectacle on their TH-cam channel. All they care about is the confrontation and the power trip of holding a camera in someone's face while they yell at them and have all their viewers laugh along.
They're the same sort of disingenuous clout-chasers you get with "First Amendment audit" videos.
We ruin the predators' lives so badly that it often doesn't matter if they go to prison or not. After we perform these stings, their friends/family often abandons them, their wives leave them, they get fired from their jobs, etc. So it often doesn't even matter if they go to jail or not. One of my guys is also getting charged by the state.
Just a correction, you don’t need someones consent to record them, and that wouldn’t make it inadmissible in court. You may be confusing the state by state idea of one party/ two party consent, but that only applies to recording a conversation over the phone, not walking up in public and recording an interaction
@@Tortilla.Reform yep, it's 100% legal to record anywhere in public in the United States.
@@troyevitt2437 The only difference here is that some people doing those first amendment audit videos have caught aggressive and corrupt police officers.
Those auditors only exist because police can abuse their power and trust, and society inherently takes their word
Someone has to do it. If any child is saved from their perpetrators I don't care.
That comparison between Miley Cyrus and Yoko Ono was spot on! 😂
I've always thought that it's a big ego trip for the vigilantes. They think they're something because they do this when it's actually quite foolish behavior. I wasn't impressed with Hanson's show either because all that was going on there was monetizing foolishness.
Great video as always, Dr Grande.
FEY...I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR PERFORMANCE
TH-camrs are making money too. Police do their job. I've watched a lot of both tho 🤷♀️
It's ok if it's a ego trip that doesn't hurt anyone and saves the lives of innocent children. Would you rather the vigilantes not take the risk and let child offenders run free? As an aspiring father myself, I'd prefer decoys and vigilantes doing what they do, regardless of their ego trip if it helps put creeps behind bars.
It depends on their actions. I went on two coupes in my late teens. Nothing recorded. Just confrontation and fights. But it turns out to be hearsay because the guy was messing with a group member’s ex.
But regarding vigilantes there’s more than just pedo vigilantes. There’s all sorts like ones that seek out drug dealers and ones with many free time who seek out commentators. If you look up Myron may, he had dealt with the commentator one.
I agree, it’s an ego trip, and a self-righteous one. I don’t side with the targets of these vigilantes, but Dr. G is right - the second these guys pick on a target their own size, or one that is truly unhinged, it’s gonna end badly for everyone involved.
While I’ll admit these guys provide a certain level of schadenfreude-style entertainment, they ultimately accomplish nothing.
Waiting for Gordon Flowers or Chet Goldstein to enter the chat
You made the dude catching predators sound like a jerk. You made the predator seem like a victim. That's talent! Great job! 👍
Soul sucking talent lol
Seriously, I'm surprised this video made the cut.
I support most of the child predator catchers. They deserve to be exposed and humiliated.
The police do very little to bring these predators to justice.
There are so many creeps out there who are abusing our precious children. Even infants are victims.
My wish is for them to serve time in general population.
Always appreciate your analysis Dr. Grande.
Most of these dudes are larping clowns
Ok another comment. I also catch predators and had the honor of working with who you called a vigilante. Eric and PCI conducted themselves professionally and for the purpose of exposing child predators with in our constitutional rights. None of this is wrong and to be discouraged nor would it matter if it was.
Also prosecutors taking cases is the problem? No it's the solution. When you expose an online predator and commit to not enforcing the law degrades the principle of law and order that holds a society together. Eric is an honorable person who is devoting his life for the betterment of others with little to no return on value.
I think you were a bit harsh on the vigilantes. They are trying to prevent children having sex with grown men. That’s a worthwhile cause.
You’re so wrong about so much it’s ridiculous. I believe a well known catcher requested a debate with you, you really should respond.
@@GilaMonster971 Alex did too
I write from Ireland and I really enjoy your videos. Your analysis of this phenomenon is absolutely correct. I myself was accused of a crime in my youth and the Police officers involved lied through their teeth throughout the process. It was only after my Lawyer was able to discredit their version of events, using CCTV footage from the alleged crime scene, that the charges against me were dropped. The whole experience taught me that the so called, good guys, are more than capable of criminal behavior in pursuit of a conviction. If the men in uniform are so untrustworthy, how can religious zealots be allowed to operate with impunity?
Pedophile catchers cannot "operate with impunity", the law obviously applies to them too, I don't know where you got that from. Your story is irrelevant to the morality and acceptability of people tricking and calling the police on pedophiles who believe they are meeting children.
@@maitiucibhleachain5139 I was merely pointing out that the Police often get tunnel vision when it comes to getting a conviction. The vigilantes are also often people who employ tunnel vision, usually because of warped religious beliefs, as pointed out in the video.
@@robg5958 I have watched tons of videos of pedophiles being caught attempting to meet children, many are quite long as they wait for police to arrive. The majority I've seen have been from the UK, but a good few from America too. Not one comment made in any of those hours of footage I've was about religion in any way. I have never seen pedophile catcher I thought was doing what they were doing because of their religion. "usually" - gonna need a source for that. This seems to be a ridiculous stereotype, and even if people were inspired by their faith to catch those attempting to meet and r*pe children, what's the problem in that being an inspiration for such a public service?
Hey doc first and foremost I love your jokes I love your content, however I do have to stick up for some of those channels they're not all fanatical. Some of them are even executed very well with security. It's everybody's responsibility to protect children. If these guys are getting monetized while doing it, then so be it. But as a single father, I'd rather predators in my area be identified and pegged. This fanatic kid is a different breed altogether. And I do think the police department gets a little butt hurt considering how many people they catch are either current or former police officers
It's your job to protect your daughter. No one else. Just you.
@@martybass7376 Sinister and resentful drivel.
@@martybass7376 you sound fun
I can't fault vigilantes, not like law enforcement does anything substantial against predators on their own...
You sound really intelligent
@@willnill7946 big thank
@@willnill7946 predator?
I can. Nobody, not a single set of individuals on the planet wants child predators around (except child predators), doesn't matter who you are. But being a vigilante is not the solution, at least not untrained and unsupervised.
If there was a program, assistance for mentally questionable people to avoid becoming a predator, good reporting for families and a less aggressive and targeted police force or an independent task force, this would be a lot less of an issue.
Sadly no matter what, most child assault happens from family members meaning the biggest thing we can do is teach people how to raise kids and report things when we see any hints.
I doubt this was Jason's first time.
Very glad to get back to your episodes. I've been deeply distracted by hurricane Ian. My prayers to all who have suffered loss. We were spared, but my heart is with those who were not.
I have observed these so-called "creep catchers" and I feel they are motivated by some prurient need to exact vengeance or "justice" on someone who is not worthy of sympathy. Furthermore, they seem to try to present themselves as "winners" in the fight against child exploitation and I think that's pretty messed up. There really are no winners here.
Children are the winners.
The creep catchers are doing more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government, but then again you got to think the federal government is infested with pxdophiles who are just trying to look out for their own kind. Look at uncle Joe and his rxpe showers and comments about him being 30 and "her" being 14. Imagine living in the timeline where we elected a pxdophile.
the winners are the preds. these idiots mess up and current or future investigation. now the pred nearly has to be found with a live boy or ded girl. to get anything to stick.
IMHO, in terms of character traits, many of them are grade a creep material themselves.
That said: At least they don't really harm non-creeps.
Have a word with yourself and stop feeling sorry for predators! Of course they feel a sense of winning, these stings are hard work and horrible but what keeps them going is the hope they will catch the man who is trying to abuse children. They deserve a medal. There is a few prominent groups in the U.K. who have had excellent success and have been on TV etc. As long as they are organised and do not break any laws or harm the abuser and let the law deal with them. No sympathy for them. This isn’t a “both sides” thing.
You sure look like the type of person to have a problem with pdf-hunters.
Ah yes, he read the Bible. He must be a good guy.
Thanks for bringing this up. its a huge area of very sick people preying on innocent kids. But, what solution is there to prevent and police this??? I cant think of another better than this.
It would be great if they would bring back that show. To Catch a Predator is an oldie, but goodie.
To Catch A Predator has a dirty secret; NBC doesn't want you to know that after the T.C.A.P. arrests, judges and DAs dropped a significant amount of the charges. That fact was brought to light by a competing network, ABC. ABC dug in and found out that DAs and judges had problems with the way evidence was collected by non-police entities-NBC Television and Perverted Justice.
The police played too small a role, compromising chain-of-custody, and were often just the muscle that tackled the sickos as they left the decoy houses. When evidence is gathered by a TV network motivated by ratings and ad revenue, it gives defense attorneys ammo to prove the network was biased in favor of landing the arrest footage.
@@PrettyFLY4aWiFi. those aren't new, I don't think. I think the suicide of that one guy made the networks drop the show due to liability.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Nah others offed themselves too. He was just a rich, important assistant DA.
@@MiguelDLewis I didn't remember he was an assistant DA. OOF!
So does that mean that they are seriously still making new ones? I thought Hansen said they were done when I saw him on YHM, fairly recently.
Chris Hansen is rolling out a new show in November
While I agree with some of what Dr. Grande is saying, I think this guy did get it right in this situation. Some people, through experience or intuition do get it right. I’m not saying that it’s ok for vigilantes to act without lots of evidence, but it seems this guy was kind of a psychopath and was going to commit crimes regardless
Can you make a video talking about the following case? The girl-push incident, involving Dutch cyclist Mathieu van der Poel, and 2 teen girls. Was he treated too severe by law and the media/fans etc? (In my opinion he obviously was)
YES!!!!!! WTF WAS SHE THINKING!!!???
He didn't finish the race either
@@johnengland8619 just to practically stand on a track where individuals have trained their whole life to race on is insane, let alone how many injuries were there, aside from someone coulda been killed. What an ass🤣🤣🤣
@@1stcal11-b2she probably knew she would win a large compensation sum and make her a bit more famous.
Where did these teams identify with ‘religion?’ I think your bias snuck into your post. Were these people those who care about children or of some type or a mental illness. You need to apologize.
These vigilantes are 100% a net positive to society. Even if they look foolish, they are exposing pedophiles, and that's a good thing.
Ahh, ok. So, you have no problem in being wrongly accused by vigilantes, and feeling their wrath? At least with police, they are trained to investigate and take appropriate action, and are actually have checks and balances. Vigilantes have no checks and balances.
Vigilante justice has proven to be an overall negative on society. If it was an overall positive, we wouldn't have police.
I agree with you.
@@Locutus No viligante justice as in thinking someone is guilty and killing them is wrong. In this case it being used to catch pedophiles i see nothing wrong with it. As an adult male there is no way anyone could entice me to meet up with an underage person for sexual purposes if I wasn't into that thing. He wasn't forced to meet her, and even tho she was supposenly 14 he kept saying ur 18 hoping she would play along and say yes giving himself an excuse if caught. So he knew what he was doing was wrong. Police catch people after a crime is committed no real resources to stop these sort of crime before someone kid is abused.
@@Locutus wrongly being accused is bad, but it's not wrongly accused when they have a whole ass conversation with someone that thinks you're a child and then you confront them. That's a very net positive to society. If police were any good at their job, they wouldn't have a need to do what they do.
@@billyirvine1914 100%
Noone feels "sympathy" for a child predator, no matter how much they are insulted by vigilantes.
Vigilantes are always a bad thing, no matter what. There needs to be a set of rules on how to properly behave and make sure that the person/persons rights and dignities are proteced. That's why we have trained people to do that. Justice can never be based on feelings and never be served based on emotions. All people no matter what the crime they are accused of (or guilty of) shall be treated equally. Vigilantes can on the surface seem like a good thing but in reality it's a bad thing. They don't have the skills required and they don't know the law. Sharing videos of people "getting caught" online with faces and names is a bad thing. People if found guilty of a crime, are according to law inncocent when they have done time served in jail, and must therefore be treated as innocent. They have paid their debt to society. Vigilantes do not have the skills required to do what they are doing.
Garbage. These people aren't "vigilantes", they turn the chatlogs over to the police.
If the cops were doing their job there would be no space for public catchers.
You don't have children. OBVIOUSLY.
@@ChillCollins616 Was thinking the same thing when I read your comment. I need a shower, I feel dirty
Good thing pred catchers are not vigilantes then, homeboy.
@@kristoffersmith8289 It's the principle of the rights of people in the legal system i am defending. If you say that these 'vigilantes', are setting up sting operations and then handing the chatlogs over to the authorities, then it woud never e accepted as evidence and these same people have also violated the law. You cannot pretend to be an investigator and think that somwhow you you are allowed to do an illegal act or bend the rules, which not even the police are allowed to d, the police also have to obtain legal justification in order to spy on someone and that's a good thing, otherwise it would easy to violate teh right of privacy. You must have a specific reason to investigate some individual or group and i do believe that the authorities are doing everythig they can to arrest individuals who violates the law, but they need to prove without doubt and the evidence has to be obtained in a correct manner, to ensure that no corrupt evidence has been submitted. There has to be stringent rules for evidence collecting in order to protect the innocent and to make sure that a fair trial will be taking place. What we see from vigilantes is video of someone they "caught" and then they try to humiliate them, but we havent seen any actual evidence and we do not hear from the accused party their side of the story. We can also assume that any evidence obtained from these vigilantes, would be wrongfully collected. Vigilantes are not above the law, and to interfere (violate) with other peple privacy is illegal.
We must have unbiased people (judges, lawyers etc.) to make an fair judgement call in any criminal case.
Love your analogy about Yoko and Miley. But remember that old proverb, "In the land of the Blind the one-eyed man is King".
LOL
Chomo hunters are great , at least they are trying 🎉
Batman comes to mind as fictional character vigilantes. a moral compass is often compromised when it comes to these real life types of vigilantes. sometimes people have to make a stand but usually thier moral justification is sketchy.
Everyone in this comments section is misusing the word “vigilante”
"get a confession on camera to show the cops" seems like pretty easy moral justification
I enjoyed the Yoko Ono comment, very funny. Your analyses of your subjects are interesting, interspersed with humour. Thank you for the uploads Dr Grande.
I think it’s a dangerous game when people take justice into their own hands.
Brilliant review, you made some excellent points. Thank you, Dr. Grande!❤
Those groups are about exposure. There's not handing out justice.
Hi Rejane - Children must be protected. But the psychology of these predators is so very sad! They seem to be very resistant to any treatment and re-offend! They can't be allowed to endanger kids but how to stop them in time is so problematic! We need better resources but I don't know what they are?🤔😓
@@bthomsonWe definitely need more resources to protect our children. However, I do think that mental health treatment is the cure to so many ailments in society. If we had more easily available resources such as mental health counseling and psychiatric consults, maybe we would have more stability in the overall population and less crime.
What's with the religious conspiracy theory, Todd? That's why I unsubbed a year ago.
Maybe some kind of religious trauma associated with having attended a religious college for his doctorate in philosophy?
Hell yeah! Now I can stay up even later tonight. Thank you sir.
They have huge egos. Justice system already is unfair at times, no need to add a bunch of untrained yahoos trying to catch people. Great points always. Thanks Dr G😊💞💞
Hello beautiful replied to your message. Poor Steve the addict that broke his arm was wearing brass knuckles on his fingers 😣❤💙💙💙
I’ve never seen a group with huge egos and I follow a lot of these channels. You could argue the police would also be untrained yahoos as they would most likely be thrown on a 1 week course as “training”. These catchers focus solely on predator hunting, see it as a specialty which they get better and better at the more they do because that’s all they do. Police have a much broader scope on what they cover and are busy enough as it is on a day to day basis. So you could actually argue - “a jack of all trades is a master of none”
@@montana6489 As Dr G said they make many mistakes. Good intent doesn't always mean great outcomes. They have no law degrees and could wrongly set someone up/cause them to go to jail.. They are mostly yahoos. Bringing cops issues into this is off subject and deflecting.
@@cottontails9003 Hi beautiful back. Didn't see your other reply. Will try to find it😊💙🧡💙🧡💙🧡💙🧡
@@zenawarrior7442 How many current pred catchers have been convicted of setting someone up? How many?
Wait, a police officer takes a gun to have sex with an underage girl but the guys who busted him are the dangerous conspiracy loons? I think at the end you went way overboard and painted these groups with a very broad and unfair brush. Some of them may be grandiose and fall for conspiracy theories for sure, but many of these groups certainly do not fall into that category and actually try to have real conversations with the predators. Some even get the predators connected with mental health professionals. Great video but I feel you jumped the shark at the end.
The guy likely always carried. It wasn't just for this meet-up. Vigilantism is mob mentality and that never turns out well.
The ones on tCap did the same thing. One even brought an AR and a few 1911s.
@@althunder4269 So you're cool with a pedo bringing his gun to molest an underage girl? I am 2nd amendment all the way and own several guns including 2 semi-automatic sporting riffles but bringing a gun to molest a child just screams kidnapper to me. Regardless the point is he expressed more outrage over the rude behavior from supposed conspiracy theory goofs than an armed pedo doing God knows what to a helpless child. That's unfortunate.
I’m not sure if you take request from your comment section but I would love if you would review the case of Hailey Dunn. I just recently found your channel and would love to see your insight on this particular case because of its many ups and downs.
You had me until you tried to lump President Trump in with these people. Shame on you.
I'm so glad you covered this topic, as it's something that has become more and more prevalent online.
@@ChillCollins616 ruff ruff!
It worries me that YOU are worried that pdf catchers are becoming MORE prevalent. That is really, really worrying.
Sussy comment. Stay away from kids please
@@adulthumanfemale8666 maybe she is worried that crimes of this nature online is what is increasing?
@@adulthumanfemale8666 the problem with hunters is they can completely ruin a case against a potential predator if they step out of the bounds of the law.
It is very dependent on the group - in the UK they have been prominent for quite a while now, and whilst they also trace back to TCAP they were more common earlier on.
This is a general statement, so there are exceptions on either side of the pond, but the UK groups tend to be better than the US ones. This is because Citizens Arrest laws are far more established and well understood in the UK - or at least in England, Scotland is a different matter but the behaviour of the groups is not dissimilar - and as a result usually they will arrest the predator and hold them until the police arise. Many groups attempt to keep the families out of shot, and attempt to avoid identifying places of work and homes.
Now, this is not to say they are all as well behaved as this, there are prominent examples of having the predators arrive dressed up as clowns, getting dwarf predators to kick themselves in the head and the usual humiliation tactics. With that said, these are less common than in the US, where phoning the families up to get a reaction and filming it are common place tactics and there are examples of groups intentionally avoiding drawing police attention for further clout.
The problem as I see it, is on the average US "vigilantes" are more in it for the clout, whereas in the UK whereas clout is a concern, the primary one involves them working within the law to get these creeps arrested. Maybe the US should have clearer Citizens Arrest laws, although actually with all the guns available... maybe not.
Idk, a lot of these groups have caught legitimately scary people who needed to be caught, but the police weren’t doing anything about it. I just don’t think there’s ever a reason for a middle aged man to meet with a 13 year old 🤷♀️
Facts.
Nah, man. These vigilantes often don't have a proper grasp of what constitutes entrapment, so no matter how wrong the person they "catch" is, there is no legal recourse. This means that these groups end up just teaching predators how to be better predators, which makes everyone less safe.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 yeh it’s better if they just meet them and hand out a floging. It’s less likely someone would meet up with a kid, if they just got bashed trying too do so
@@Hydro-od2rt doubtful. But it will make them better predators, because they will learn from their mistakes. Meaning that they are more likely to victimize more people for much longer. They just become better at it with every beating.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Idk tho they’re most likely too do thos same things any ways right, at least have them get there head stomped on by a couple guys there more likely to reconsider there actions in future, It’s better then nothing tho right
Idk, Steven Segal and Charles Bronson would probably not agree with your analysis.
If they get the job done, good on them