That was an illusion spin from figure skating! I always wondered if Ivan had some figure skating in his background because he was the first danseur I noticed doing sort of a scratch spin thing on his pirouettes, going from a retire position smoothly to more like a coupe (which would be good for angular momentum).
@@minissa2009 girl i- not saying this to be rude or anything but illusions are a HUGE part of dance.. that's how you eventually learn how to do an aerial
@@karlabunns and maybe sophie No, there's a spin in figure skating called an "illusion spin" where you're doing sort of a camel spin but on every other turn you back kick into a spiral, which is figure skating's version of ballet's penchee arabesque. Invented gosh ages ago by I think JoJo Starbuck. Apologize if that was a pun and you were being facetious.
@@AngelaChen1115 And really, if the company is not the size of the Bolshoi, the corps and younger soloists may be dancing something different in every act. Truly unsung heroes.
At 14 I was playing in a piano recital and realized part way through I had no clue where I was in the music. My only saving grace was that I was not playing a highly recognizable piece and therefore nobody had yet caught on. I kept playing in the same style & speed that I had been playing at up to that point while I figured out how to slot myself into the music again. It was quite stressful trying to keep up my playing while working out how to get my fingers close enough to a arbitrary section of music for an easy transition back. I managed to pull it off and even my piano teacher who had heard me practicing was none the wiser to the fact that I'd completely gone off the rails and gotten myself back on track.
Same!!! I remember I was playing the 3rd movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata, then my memory decided to bamboozle me and I ended up looping into the wrong section. I literally had a heart attack but on the outside I made myself remain calm and I transitioned myself to a part where I was most comfortable with. I thought everybody knew about my mistake and I was so embarrassed but the adjudicator didn't even realize when I was reading his comments on my performance. I know playing piano and dancing on stage are two different things but when it comes to making mistakes, what you have to do is very similar: KEEP GOING!!!
I relate to this so much! Sometimes I get so caught up in the emotion in the music that when I glance back at the piece I have no idea where I am, and I just have to let my fingers carry on while my eyes and ears try to match what I’m playing haha Well done on getting back on track so well at that moment 👍🏼
@A Mess we were encouraged to select pieces ourselves with the reasoning that if we had ownership from the beginning we would put in the time and work. When I stopped actively practicing (something I now regret) he gave me a bunch of Vivaldi. He knew that would be my way back should I choose. I still have that music more then a decade on and can still play but don't get to much because I don't like to with others about. My parents still have the piano and I prefer the intimacy of only playing for me and right now that privacy is hard to come by with me living at home. I don't like a fuss being made if I start to play.
I was playing a Christmas trio (violin, piano, cello) on my cello and skipped at least two lines. Panicked and kept tempo in the same key until I found my place again. It's so nerve- wracking.
Actually I think messing up as a soloist is "easier" than in a group because nobody can know you've made a mistake except if they knew the coreography beforehand
Yeah except if you actually fall on your face! But once I turned in the wrong direction and nobody would have noticed if the 15 other girls around me were not there doing the turn right...
Everyone's so professional with correcting their mistakes or handling faulty shoes instead of freezing up! I really respect dancers who are able to quickly put the mistake behind and keep going, whether they're a soloist or in the corps
The Misty Copeland one... it's not the first time I've seen someone have to do something like that. I would agree that if someone can't CONSISTENTLY hit 32 fouettes, they have no business being Odette/Odile, but sometimes things happen that are outside of the dancer's control, like a faulty box. Being able to recover gracefully from something like that is no less important than being able to do the fouettes.
Yeah, especially since the fouettes are nearish the end of the show, its entirely possible that Odette's shoe(s) could die by that point. She did the pique turns on the other foot, so imho it definitely looks like a problem with that shoe.
Katherine S oh so carefully put especially because of the cross there..which we all have no choice but to be. How about this? Bring it sista or let someone else get promoted.
Kathryn Morgan- who is a soloist at the Miami city ballet, had to do the ménage instead of the fuettes due to an illness. Copeland isn’t a first and won’t be the last.
She wrote a biography and I read it. I’m pretty sure it said something about that and she didn’t think she could do all of them. So I think what she did was plan b.
Misty's recovery is to be applauded, I think she obvious was able to do the fouttes in rehearsal but as you pointed out maybe due to faulty equipment on stage she discovered she would be unable to give the full routine and quickly improvised
@@TheNonMakeupGuru She has never done the full 32 and is in fact on the record as hating fouettes because they frighten her. The ones in this clip are so poorly done that a member of the corps could probably have done better. Her spotting is off, she traveled over half of the stage and was obviously dizzy afterwards. I'm not saying she shouldn't dance Odette but they should find someone else similar looking to dance Odile. Because Misty's box office draw is so strong they'll never deny her a role even when she cannot fulfill the technical requirements. :/
Misty is highly overrated regardless of her fouettes. She’s a creditable dancer. Not a great one. In a company like ABT you have Misty as a Principal and a treasure like Skylar Brandt is a soloist
@@andreamacleod1127 Oksana failed to perform the hop en pointe or where you hop while en pointe due to faulty shank. Faulty shank disables the dancer to go en pointe properly. Though, Oksana improvised well here.
@@margalindo653 I think it was her shank - you can see she couldn't hop on pointe or even get up on pointe without using her other leg. The shank might've been too soft. Once when I was doing centre on pointe, my shank just died lol.
Vasiliev handle that mistake brilliantly. You can see that by the reaction of his partner ballerina. She almost cheering him! And Misty is just genius.... I even like her improvisation. Well done! Thank you for the video!
I've not seen anything of misty's 32 turns apart from this, so i cannot comment, but she handled it so well and without fail, so i think despite the divide, her professionalism and creativity should definitely be applauded!
To be fair, I've seen her do single, single, double, but then still just stop and pose at about 22 counts. My issue with this video is that I can't really classify that turn as either a pique or an attitude---she's somewhere in between, and her arms are not exactly textbook for either. I've read of other recoveries she's made, like switching to sequential pirouettes halfway through on her debut. I've always been curious what the rest of this Black Swan looked like, if it was all a little unsteady or superb until this point, or what the rest of the coda looked like. It's nice of everyone here including Angela to be sympathetic. I *have* read on other threads where only this video was posted that she typically doesn't get through all 32. Have also read things like that, due to knee injuries, great dancers like Antoinette Sibley just did a manege of piques, but that's different than having to adapt mid-coda. Herman Cornejo of course looks fabulous.
Man vasiliev's encompases my biggest philisophy when dancing: almost nobody in the audience knows the actual choreography, if you mess up make it look like you didnt
As ((mainly)) an actor, but also a singer and dancer, what Misty Copeland did was the correct thing to do. On stage, if you forget your lines or mess up, you must always keep it going. She did the right thing by thinking in the moment, and whoever says she "didn't deserve to do it" isn't thinking right. If she wasn't able to do it, why would she have been given it in the first place? Everybody has their bad days, and at that time she couldn't, so she changed it so it wouldn't look bad.
@@roseg.9519 Dude, cmon, seeing those 32 fouettes go off smoothly is absolutely brain shredding! Her recovery was smooth, but not better than the intended choreo.
@@roseg.9519 If the whole ballet had just been fouettes from start to finish, you'd be right, but as it is it's just a beautiful patch of the larger texture of a masterpiece.
Regarding Misty - since I've seen Swan Lake countless times, I can see that fouettes are often consistently altered for particular dancers so let's step back from that criticism. We should be impressed that despite the issue she was having, as an experienced and talented dancer, she was able to transform her choreography so well and Siegfried just went along with it too. :)
If it had been one mistake, I'd agree. It's not. She cannot do the fouettes at all. She even admitted in an interview that she can't. There are ballets in which she is great, why is she cast in those where she cannot do the steps?
@@jewelmarkess So? Ballet has taken a massive step in caring for the dancer's health and such. That doesn't make them less talented. I'd like to see anyone try to do 32 fouettes, on pointe, through 30 hours of practice, several on stage shows, and then go back to the office for more practice. I've read interviews from even the TOP ballet dancers and they say they have trouble, couldn't do, etc the same dance. THEY'RE DIFFICULT.
@Existential Toast - yes, they are difficult, but one expects a principal dancer dancing the role that requires them to be able to do it. If a dancer isn't able to do them, there are roles that don't require them. "Anyone" is not a professional ballet dancer. I can show you a video of a 7th (ballet) year - one year before graduation - at the Vaganova academy where every girl is able to do them except for one who is likely injured (and still does more than Misty Copeland manages on a good day). Don't you think one should expect more from a principal dancer than from students most of whom will be in corps before they become soloists (and some might not even get a job.)
@Existential Toast - enjoy (at 6:50): th-cam.com/video/EWKd5sL4Md8/w-d-xo.html Don't you think a principal dancer in a major ballet company should be able to do what 17-year old ballet students can do? Yes, it's difficult, ballet is difficult, but we are talking professionals here. You seem to ignore the fact that it's not one bad night and that Misty simply cannot do them. (edited to add) Saying "this is very difficult which is why a principal dancer that keeps getting cast in the role cannot do it consistently" is like saying "this virtuoso piano/violin piece is very difficult this is why this concert pianist/violinist that plays it in concert is never able to hit the right notes. It is also the same thing as saying "Queen of the Night aria's staccatos are very difficult, so it's OK to have a singer who cannot do them accurately or hit the required high Fs cast un the role."
@@myshmallow Well, if that's the case, they shouldn't be demanding the money they earn. There are plenty of dances that can ' do 32 fouettes, on pointe, through 30 hours of practice, several on stage shows, and then go back to the office for more practice'..This is their profession they should be able to execute these steps..
Tbh I low-key like it when ballet dancers change choreo when they mess up. It shows their capability to adapt while still looking graceful and professional. It's also nice to see something new in all these classical ballets.
It's interesting how we can be more lenient with Oksana but not with Misty; after all, both had a faulty shoe box and we applaud how one recovered but doubt the talent of the other one.
Well a few years ago when Oksana was still constantly making mistakes people were talking a LOT about her too... But now she has improved immensely and is very technically stable
The fact is that we saw now Oksana do the Giselle Variation perfectly, but we still don't have a video of Misty proving that she can do the 32 fouettés. Once we have the proof she can do that, there will be no criticism anymore :)
I realised while watching this that I don't have enough knowledge of ballet to even know what the mistakes are. Except at 0:35. I think even I would have noticed something was wrong there.
My god is this true. Under ANY comment mentioning Copeland theres a whole horde of people there to tear the girl down for every little thing. What the hell is this?
I agree with you re the Copeland clip. Shoes get damaged, bodies are unpredictable - sometimes with the best preparation. To expect even a brilliant dancer to be flawless every performance is unrealistic. I admire her quick thinking, and the choreography she exhibited.
There’s a possibility that the hops on pointe in Giselle are more accurate with respect to the period, as full pointe work came later in the century. Though with further consideration, I think this variation was added later in the ballet's evolution. All the dancers are to be commended for continuing and doing their best to distract from their mistakes.
Considering how hard dancers are on their bodies and their pointe shoes I wouldn't be surprised if a shank or a toe box gave way suddenly in the middle of the performance and there wasn't time to change shoes or they ran out of back up shoes that had been broken in enough to use during this kind of performance. Trying to do some of these skills with a floppy pointe shoe is a great way to snap your ankle and literally destroy your career. Bailing out of certain moves to simplify what you're doing (while still giving an amazing performance) to save yourself an accident and possibly ruining a performance until you can swap shoes out is a sign of a good dancer. Shit happens, some just handle it better than others. Source: was a dancer, including pointe. Was always told to bail if I felt my shoe giving out.
@@alfredskilton I mean yes, but that doesn't mean that at random points during a performance it won't end up happening. Things happen, they land just perfectly awkward on a just and that starts it all falling apart necessitating them to bail on a move or something.
In regards to Misty Copeland’s situation with the 32 fouettés, if she was successful with the turns in other performances, aborting the sequence may have been due to a potential injury. In that case, she absolutely did the right thing. And yes, all dancers have their off days. I remember a legendary New York City Ballet principal many years ago struggling to get through Sugar Plum Fairy in a production of Nutcracker where she was guest artist. She was very tired, have traveled earlier in the day from NYC to Florida and simply lacked the energy to pull off the technical aspects. But she was a professional at the top of her game and she was absolutely radiant, and thanks to the partnering mastery of her partner Sean Lavery, she was able to show why she was a star. There is much more to the greatest dancers other than technique. To these true artists - BRAVO!
I haven’t ever watched a full performance of ballet or danced (only if you count watching the movie black swan) so watching this is so interesting. I find ballet so beautiful and it’s such a unique dance/sport
I don't know about ms Copeland priorly so I would make an honest review without any bias . Honestly , 32 fouettes are something that excites me as a viewer cause obviously I'm looking forward to the most difficult move in ballet being done 32 times continously . Its astonishing. But as also a ballet dancer , fouette is not something that you can do with one or two year practice . It's something that takes years to perfect . Even if at that point she got a problem that made her unable to fo fouette atleast she tried and I think it was a good idea to replace it with pique manege. Pique manege may not look as hard but it's on par with fouette. Since she handled the situation well by substituting the move as soon as she could . She is already worthy of performing swanlake.
For the last one, as someone who is barely experienced with ballet, I'd say that it was a good way to continue the scene with grace, but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't get the Black Swan role again
The problem is - she gets the role all the time. Also Kitri. Yet, she cannot do the fouettes at all. She gets the role because she is popular because of her book and publicity and she sells tickets.
You could turn backstage into a reality TV show with all of the drama and emotions that happen after people make mistakes. I have seen so many people go from crying to smiling and running on stage to perform and it relly feels like your watching one of those beuty padgent drama shows. On the other hand, some people take it amazingly and laugh it off. I have been backstage and witnessed Tyler Angle fall out of his a-la-seconde turns and he just immediately recovered and when he got off backstage he just laughed it off.
As someone who doesn't dance but certainly appreciates watching it, I would have had no idea that the last dancer wasn't doing what she was "supposed" to do.
She was supposed to do 32 turns and she only did like 12 or something. That's what I got from comparing it to another swan lake video. LOL someone who actually knows should enlighten us.
Some ballerinas will do more than 32 turns and usually ballerinas will mix up the turns by doing different patterns of singles/doubles/triples, change the tempo on different turns, and even change which direction is the 'front' for them spotting. Professional ballerinas don't get to do the role if they can't do the basic technique of the 32 turns & then it is pretty standard for them to do enhanced versions. This is where the controversy comes in as people say that Misty regularly can't complete the required basic turns. I've now seen 2 videos of her not accomplishing the turns. I find her to be a beautiful lyrical expressive dancer but, aside from the turns issue, I've seen lots of sloppy ballet technique from her. Lovely dancer but not accomplished enough in ballet technique to be a principal ballerina.
@@lollylula6399 The only one, that I saw, actually doing all 32 fouettes (not throwing in those piroettes) is Nina Ananiashvili. The free leg has to "whip" for it to be a fouette.
We should all appreciate and compliment how they got back up from their mistakes. These dancers that made mistakes and got back up are the “true” dancers we should all have. Good job dancers ❤️
Ivan Vasiliev seems to rarely make mistakes, however on the rare occasion that he does, he covers it up so well. I would never have thought to do something like that on stage (or at all, probably).
Anyone who’s danced knows this is the biggest of fears and when it happens its the biggest of laughs... later, but not much later. Mikhail once opened the second half standing in front of the curtain, one night he became completely entangled some how and fell out on the stage. He turned and faced the curtain arms out stretched as if nothing happened. A full minute went by and suddenly you could see his body shake and he couldn’t hold his laughter and longer. It happens to the best of us all.
I'm all impressed with myself when I can take all three steps on my front porch in one leap. You won't ever hear me busting on a ballet dancer who trips up slightly.
i legitimately got chills watching the misty one...I'm sure it was really embarrassing for her, but she knew she really couldn't finish the fouettés so she did something else she COULD do. idk i just find that admirable, and made her look a lot better.
The issue is - she cannot do fouettes at all, she's never done them. So why do the role where she cannot do the choreography? Incidentally, she has the same issue in all classical ballets and not just with fouettes.
Do you know what it feels like to have a shank give mid performance? It feels like *actual death* so you do exactly what these pros did, and that's keep on dancing as well and safely as you can. Thanks for sharing!
I'm not a ballet dancer (theatre kid for life) but I remember I felt that same type of fear when I did Peter Pan (I was Wendy) and I could tell that my fly rail harness thingy wasn't put on right (it was too loose) so I had to hold onto it every time I went in the air. It was absolutely terrifying knowing that if I removed my hand from the strap holding my harness together, I could fall out into the audience (we were really high up too- I think we were about 7 or 8 feet above the audience- like actually above the audience, like, we were directly above the first 3 rows- it was not fun lol)
Thank you SO MUCH for pointing these “mistakes” to the uneducated observer like myself. I want to learn all about the arts. And I wish in music, opera, for example, honest critiques of singers were available from a vocal expert.
I'm always beyond impressed at the beauty of the human body, and how amazingly dancers can use their whole selves to create such beautiful moves. Unless one fell as the first young woman did, I probably wouldn't even notice anything was awry. My only concern would be if they were injured in some way. It seems as though they weren't since they all continued with their professional duties. Thank you for sharing these videos.
When I was 14, I blacked out and didn't remember how far I was suppose to leap on stage so I leaped too far forward and somehow got myself back to my spot on stage.
Honestly from all my years of dancing on stages I don’t think there’s ever been a time when the stage isn’t slippery so honestly it’s hard not to fall over
In regards to Misty, I think that literally every person, every entertainer, and every professional makes mistakes. They have off days and they have little slip ups. Sometimes singers voices crack, sometimes actors forget lines, sometimes musicians get notes wrong. Doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t. I think if she knew that the rest of the fouettés were either going to be garbage or that she was going to just fall out of them, then maybe the best call is to do something different. Now if this were happening every night or many nights a week, then maybe she would need to either take a break or they would have to change out principals. That’s my take at least
Problem is, a lot of dancers in ABT say that she doesn't master fouettes, and she never did more than 25. And some say that recently, Copeland was replaced by an other dancer of ABT (and the poor replacing girl isn't even a principle yet while she would deserve it), during the black swan act (and Copeland cam still play Odette). Plus you can see that her choreography are always simplified in comparison with other dancers from the same company (you can search for "nutcracker pdd ABT", and compare her version with Gilian Murphy's). Indeed, once you are a principle you should have the right to express yourself and change some elements in old Petipa's choreography, but you should at least be able to execute it smoothly before trying to change it IMO. :)
I remember once i had to quickly change and my outfit and i didnt have time to pull out my bloomers so i came out with my outfit tucked into my bloomers. Held it together on stage but got back there and cried with humiliation.
I was a dancer for nine years ( I unfortunately had to stop for six) and I mostly do musical theater now but on the black swan piece it was the right thing to do any director or choreographer that has had a similar situation will tell you to simply improvise and keep going no matter what
Wether or not the turnsole the ménage was performed correctly is something else to be considered entirely and in my opinion I have certainly seen both performed much nicer cleaner sharper and properly by other dancers.
Hello Elizabeth, thank you so much! I just thought it would be important to get this message through as there are quite a few other ballet mistake videos on TH-cam, however they are riddled with "humourous" sound affect that accompany the dancer's mistakes or falls which I found super disrespectful, considering all the blood, sweat, and tears they had spent on preparing their routine just so they can have a few minutes on stage. Myself being a performer, I would've been heartbroken if someone treated my mistake that way. Anyways... it makes me glad you understood! :)
@@AngelaChen1115 I think ALL dancers/performers - at least the intelligent ones - would understand that your intent in not to make fun but to show the pitfalls that are inevitable in a dancing career - and thereby "humanise" the profession for those of the general public.
i think missy copeland’s graceful recovery is a big reason why people are so critical. it’s so seamless that it looks planned. usually that would be a good thing, but with choreography that’s so famously difficult, people assume it actually was the plan all along and get upset
The reason people are critical is because this was not one mistake. She cannot do the fouettes, she has never done it, she's admitted in an interview that she can't. Why do the role where she cannot do the required choreography?
Hi there! I don’t know when the footage is from, but thought on Misty Copeland’s fouettés is that it’s possibly footage from either before she had surgery on her leg for a fractured tibia (in 6 places, yikes!) while she was still injured with or right after her return and she may have made the decision to protect her body. I don’t know if you agree, but that’s my two cents on the matter. Thank you for sharing!
The black swan one looks like she was just having an off night and bobbled her beginning which threw her off for the rest. She finished the fouettés at a good time and continued doing something that fit just as well
About Misty. She is for sure a great dancer and mistakes happen and everyone has bad days.. I have more questions about her pique circle.... where is passe ??????
about the misty one. i do think that a dancer should be able to constantly hit 32 fouettés in order to perform odile/odette but sometimes things happen that the dancer cannot control, that’s why i think that changing the choreography is a better choice than falling on stage, plus misty handled the situation beautifully
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THE FIRST ONE OH MY GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME THAT MANS A LEGEND
That was an illusion spin from figure skating! I always wondered if Ivan had some figure skating in his background because he was the first danseur I noticed doing sort of a scratch spin thing on his pirouettes, going from a retire position smoothly to more like a coupe (which would be good for angular momentum).
BRO FR I DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE THE MISTAKE IS
@@minissa2009 illusions aren't only used in figure skating lol they're used in a lot of dancing techniques
@@minissa2009 girl i- not saying this to be rude or anything but illusions are a HUGE part of dance.. that's how you eventually learn how to do an aerial
@@karlabunns and maybe sophie No, there's a spin in figure skating called an "illusion spin" where you're doing sort of a camel spin but on every other turn you back kick into a spiral, which is figure skating's version of ballet's penchee arabesque. Invented gosh ages ago by I think JoJo Starbuck. Apologize if that was a pun and you were being facetious.
The first guy had the best recovery I've ever seen.
I do ballet
Jaco Potgieter And that has nothing to do with the comment lol
Didn't he do it with class😊
It's a pretty simple trick actually, easy to learn and it's great for recovery as he proved us.
Valisiev is one of the best ballet dancers I have ever seen he and Asipova are legendary
0:34 people falling or messing up in a group like that hurts me more than soloists tbh :(((
so professional though!! I think i'd cry lol
Not all heroes wear capes...
@@AngelaChen1115 And really, if the company is not the size of the Bolshoi, the corps and younger soloists may be dancing something different in every act. Truly unsung heroes.
ohnowo I don’t know why I can’t stop laughing at it I feel so bad
@@minissa2009 also the double performances a day crazy.
I laughed rlly hard on that one lol I’m going to hell
Ballet is so beautiful that even the mistakes looks graceful.
@** biLsexual ** still flying at least.
0:35 yes so graceful
At 14 I was playing in a piano recital and realized part way through I had no clue where I was in the music. My only saving grace was that I was not playing a highly recognizable piece and therefore nobody had yet caught on. I kept playing in the same style & speed that I had been playing at up to that point while I figured out how to slot myself into the music again. It was quite stressful trying to keep up my playing while working out how to get my fingers close enough to a arbitrary section of music for an easy transition back. I managed to pull it off and even my piano teacher who had heard me practicing was none the wiser to the fact that I'd completely gone off the rails and gotten myself back on track.
Same!!! I remember I was playing the 3rd movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata, then my memory decided to bamboozle me and I ended up looping into the wrong section. I literally had a heart attack but on the outside I made myself remain calm and I transitioned myself to a part where I was most comfortable with.
I thought everybody knew about my mistake and I was so embarrassed but the adjudicator didn't even realize when I was reading his comments on my performance. I know playing piano and dancing on stage are two different things but when it comes to making mistakes, what you have to do is very similar: KEEP GOING!!!
Wow! Great Respect! This more than professional! You are quite intelligent and talented! 👍🏻
I relate to this so much! Sometimes I get so caught up in the emotion in the music that when I glance back at the piece I have no idea where I am, and I just have to let my fingers carry on while my eyes and ears try to match what I’m playing haha
Well done on getting back on track so well at that moment 👍🏼
@A Mess we were encouraged to select pieces ourselves with the reasoning that if we had ownership from the beginning we would put in the time and work. When I stopped actively practicing (something I now regret) he gave me a bunch of Vivaldi. He knew that would be my way back should I choose. I still have that music more then a decade on and can still play but don't get to much because I don't like to with others about. My parents still have the piano and I prefer the intimacy of only playing for me and right now that privacy is hard to come by with me living at home. I don't like a fuss being made if I start to play.
I was playing a Christmas trio (violin, piano, cello) on my cello and skipped at least two lines. Panicked and kept tempo in the same key until I found my place again. It's so nerve- wracking.
I love that when Misty ends there's sort of a confused clap lol
Actually I think messing up as a soloist is "easier" than in a group because nobody can know you've made a mistake except if they knew the coreography beforehand
Yeah except if you actually fall on your face! But once I turned in the wrong direction and nobody would have noticed if the 15 other girls around me were not there doing the turn right...
Everyone's so professional with correcting their mistakes or handling faulty shoes instead of freezing up! I really respect dancers who are able to quickly put the mistake behind and keep going, whether they're a soloist or in the corps
Kaisu Rei I would die of embarrassment. Like I would fall, and then very very quickly run off the stage
*Dragon Fruit*
Which proves you wouldn't be a Dancer. A Dancer assumes and continues.
The Misty Copeland one... it's not the first time I've seen someone have to do something like that. I would agree that if someone can't CONSISTENTLY hit 32 fouettes, they have no business being Odette/Odile, but sometimes things happen that are outside of the dancer's control, like a faulty box. Being able to recover gracefully from something like that is no less important than being able to do the fouettes.
Yeah, especially since the fouettes are nearish the end of the show, its entirely possible that Odette's shoe(s) could die by that point. She did the pique turns on the other foot, so imho it definitely looks like a problem with that shoe.
Or they're injured... Misty Copeland had several stress fractures in her tibia at one point during her career and she actually had to stop dancing.
Katherine S oh so carefully put especially because of the cross there..which we all have no choice but to be. How about this? Bring it sista or let someone else get promoted.
Kathryn Morgan- who is a soloist at the Miami city ballet, had to do the ménage instead of the fuettes due to an illness. Copeland isn’t a first and won’t be the last.
She wrote a biography and I read it. I’m pretty sure it said something about that and she didn’t think she could do all of them. So I think what she did was plan b.
Misty's recovery is to be applauded, I think she obvious was able to do the fouttes in rehearsal but as you pointed out maybe due to faulty equipment on stage she discovered she would be unable to give the full routine and quickly improvised
Problem is, a lot of people in ABT say she doesn't master fouettes and never passed 20 :/
Moyûga Chan see I’m calling bulshit in that because I’m certain there’s footage of her doing the full 32
@@TheNonMakeupGuru She has never done the full 32 and is in fact on the record as hating fouettes because they frighten her. The ones in this clip are so poorly done that a member of the corps could probably have done better. Her spotting is off, she traveled over half of the stage and was obviously dizzy afterwards. I'm not saying she shouldn't dance Odette but they should find someone else similar looking to dance Odile. Because Misty's box office draw is so strong they'll never deny her a role even when she cannot fulfill the technical requirements. :/
She can’t do the fouettés???? Why the hell is she the 1st ballerina??? Ahh I know, she played the race card... smh.
Misty is highly overrated regardless of her fouettes. She’s a creditable dancer. Not a great one. In a company like ABT you have Misty as a Principal and a treasure like Skylar Brandt is a soloist
Ugh, the Giselle variation must’ve been heartbreaking to do because it’s such a famous piece and it wasn’t even her fault
the pointe shoe looked like a flat shoe crazy🙁
Reminded me of Ould-Braham’s right dead pointe amidst her Rose Adagio. She nailed it, though.
As a layperson, I wouldn't have a clue that it's wrong. Unless someone actually falls, most "regular" folks have no idea about the choreography tba.
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Oksana failed to perform the hop en pointe or where you hop while en pointe due to faulty shank.
Faulty shank disables the dancer to go en pointe properly. Though, Oksana improvised well here.
@@margalindo653 I think it was her shank - you can see she couldn't hop on pointe or even get up on pointe without using her other leg. The shank might've been too soft. Once when I was doing centre on pointe, my shank just died lol.
Vasiliev handle that mistake brilliantly. You can see that by the reaction of his partner ballerina. She almost cheering him! And Misty is just genius.... I even like her improvisation. Well done! Thank you for the video!
I've not seen anything of misty's 32 turns apart from this, so i cannot comment, but she handled it so well and without fail, so i think despite the divide, her professionalism and creativity should definitely be applauded!
To be fair, I've seen her do single, single, double, but then still just stop and pose at about 22 counts. My issue with this video is that I can't really classify that turn as either a pique or an attitude---she's somewhere in between, and her arms are not exactly textbook for either. I've read of other recoveries she's made, like switching to sequential pirouettes halfway through on her debut. I've always been curious what the rest of this Black Swan looked like, if it was all a little unsteady or superb until this point, or what the rest of the coda looked like. It's nice of everyone here including Angela to be sympathetic. I *have* read on other threads where only this video was posted that she typically doesn't get through all 32. Have also read things like that, due to knee injuries, great dancers like Antoinette Sibley just did a manege of piques, but that's different than having to adapt mid-coda. Herman Cornejo of course looks fabulous.
I've wondered the same tho' I admit to having seen other videos that left me unimpressed by her.
Man vasiliev's encompases my biggest philisophy when dancing: almost nobody in the audience knows the actual choreography, if you mess up make it look like you didnt
As ((mainly)) an actor, but also a singer and dancer, what Misty Copeland did was the correct thing to do. On stage, if you forget your lines or mess up, you must always keep it going. She did the right thing by thinking in the moment, and whoever says she "didn't deserve to do it" isn't thinking right. If she wasn't able to do it, why would she have been given it in the first place? Everybody has their bad days, and at that time she couldn't, so she changed it so it wouldn't look bad.
Not only that, I like her improvisation more than the actual choreography
@@roseg.9519 Dude, cmon, seeing those 32 fouettes go off smoothly is absolutely brain shredding! Her recovery was smooth, but not better than the intended choreo.
@@jdagilliland well, they are only impressive, but not interesting to watch her repeat the same move for 1 min.
@@roseg.9519 If the whole ballet had just been fouettes from start to finish, you'd be right, but as it is it's just a beautiful patch of the larger texture of a masterpiece.
Why do I get so anxious everytime I anticipate their fall?
Im sorry but i cant stop laughing at the two wills who got raised early and then slowly put down again😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's not a mistake. Mirth wakes them up from their grave
Dancing is a dangerous profession. Bravo to these artists who assume their "mistakes" and continue their performance.
When in doubt, illusion it out
Regarding Misty - since I've seen Swan Lake countless times, I can see that fouettes are often consistently altered for particular dancers so let's step back from that criticism. We should be impressed that despite the issue she was having, as an experienced and talented dancer, she was able to transform her choreography so well and Siegfried just went along with it too. :)
If it had been one mistake, I'd agree. It's not. She cannot do the fouettes at all. She even admitted in an interview that she can't. There are ballets in which she is great, why is she cast in those where she cannot do the steps?
@@jewelmarkess So? Ballet has taken a massive step in caring for the dancer's health and such. That doesn't make them less talented.
I'd like to see anyone try to do 32 fouettes, on pointe, through 30 hours of practice, several on stage shows, and then go back to the office for more practice. I've read interviews from even the TOP ballet dancers and they say they have trouble, couldn't do, etc the same dance.
THEY'RE DIFFICULT.
@Existential Toast - yes, they are difficult, but one expects a principal dancer dancing the role that requires them to be able to do it. If a dancer isn't able to do them, there are roles that don't require them. "Anyone" is not a professional ballet dancer. I can show you a video of a 7th (ballet) year - one year before graduation - at the Vaganova academy where every girl is able to do them except for one who is likely injured (and still does more than Misty Copeland manages on a good day). Don't you think one should expect more from a principal dancer than from students most of whom will be in corps before they become soloists (and some might not even get a job.)
@Existential Toast - enjoy (at 6:50): th-cam.com/video/EWKd5sL4Md8/w-d-xo.html Don't you think a principal dancer in a major ballet company should be able to do what 17-year old ballet students can do? Yes, it's difficult, ballet is difficult, but we are talking professionals here. You seem to ignore the fact that it's not one bad night and that Misty simply cannot do them. (edited to add) Saying "this is very difficult which is why a principal dancer that keeps getting cast in the role cannot do it consistently" is like saying "this virtuoso piano/violin piece is very difficult this is why this concert pianist/violinist that plays it in concert is never able to hit the right notes. It is also the same thing as saying "Queen of the Night aria's staccatos are very difficult, so it's OK to have a singer who cannot do them accurately or hit the required high Fs cast un the role."
@@myshmallow Well, if that's the case, they shouldn't be demanding the money they earn. There are plenty of dances that can ' do 32 fouettes, on pointe, through 30 hours of practice, several on stage shows, and then go back to the office for more practice'..This is their profession they should be able to execute these steps..
Tbh I low-key like it when ballet dancers change choreo when they mess up. It shows their capability to adapt while still looking graceful and professional. It's also nice to see something new in all these classical ballets.
As a ballet dancer myself I believe these principal dancers are wonder, with or without mistakes!
yess same :)
It's interesting how we can be more lenient with Oksana but not with Misty; after all, both had a faulty shoe box and we applaud how one recovered but doubt the talent of the other one.
Well a few years ago when Oksana was still constantly making mistakes people were talking a LOT about her too... But now she has improved immensely and is very technically stable
The fact is that we saw now Oksana do the Giselle Variation perfectly, but we still don't have a video of Misty proving that she can do the 32 fouettés.
Once we have the proof she can do that, there will be no criticism anymore :)
This whole comment section is very telling on that, and not in a good way
I realised while watching this that I don't have enough knowledge of ballet to even know what the mistakes are.
Except at 0:35. I think even I would have noticed something was wrong there.
same
Today I learned that the ballet community is savage.
cantankeruz They really are. You have to have a thick skin.
Ha! You think that theatre, cinema, politics, business...are any different?
My god is this true. Under ANY comment mentioning Copeland theres a whole horde of people there to tear the girl down for every little thing. What the hell is this?
I agree with you re the Copeland clip. Shoes get damaged, bodies are unpredictable - sometimes with the best preparation. To expect even a brilliant dancer to be flawless every performance is unrealistic. I admire her quick thinking, and the choreography she exhibited.
There’s a possibility that the hops on pointe in Giselle are more accurate with respect to the period, as full pointe work came later in the century. Though with further consideration, I think this variation was added later in the ballet's evolution. All the dancers are to be commended for continuing and doing their best to distract from their mistakes.
That variation was added in a revival that Petipa made in 1887 (or 1889). Music by Riccardo Drigo.
1:04 Ouch! Hope she wasn't penalized or dismissed from performing again in the theater.
I hope so too, it was quite noticeable! 😅
the Wilis thing made me laugh lol.
Considering how hard dancers are on their bodies and their pointe shoes I wouldn't be surprised if a shank or a toe box gave way suddenly in the middle of the performance and there wasn't time to change shoes or they ran out of back up shoes that had been broken in enough to use during this kind of performance.
Trying to do some of these skills with a floppy pointe shoe is a great way to snap your ankle and literally destroy your career. Bailing out of certain moves to simplify what you're doing (while still giving an amazing performance) to save yourself an accident and possibly ruining a performance until you can swap shoes out is a sign of a good dancer.
Shit happens, some just handle it better than others.
Source: was a dancer, including pointe. Was always told to bail if I felt my shoe giving out.
principal dancers in big companies usually use a different pair for each act, making catastrophic shoe failure somewhat less likely
@@alfredskilton I mean yes, but that doesn't mean that at random points during a performance it won't end up happening. Things happen, they land just perfectly awkward on a just and that starts it all falling apart necessitating them to bail on a move or something.
In regards to Misty Copeland’s situation with the 32 fouettés, if she was successful with the turns in other performances, aborting the sequence may have been due to a potential injury. In that case, she absolutely did the right thing. And yes, all dancers have their off days. I remember a legendary New York City Ballet principal many years ago struggling to get through Sugar Plum Fairy in a production of Nutcracker where she was guest artist. She was very tired, have traveled earlier in the day from NYC to Florida and simply lacked the energy to pull off the technical aspects. But she was a professional at the top of her game and she was absolutely radiant, and thanks to the partnering mastery of her partner Sean Lavery, she was able to show why she was a star. There is much more to the greatest dancers other than technique. To these true artists - BRAVO!
That first one is absolutely incredible I have never seen anyone cover up a mistake that well
The wobble during Kingdom of the Shades is 100% understandable because JEEZUS that's a brutal number!
I haven’t ever watched a full performance of ballet or danced (only if you count watching the movie black swan) so watching this is so interesting. I find ballet so beautiful and it’s such a unique dance/sport
I’m not good at subtle recovery for anything. These dancers are amazing.
I don't know about ms Copeland priorly so I would make an honest review without any bias .
Honestly , 32 fouettes are something that excites me as a viewer cause obviously I'm looking forward to the most difficult move in ballet being done 32 times continously . Its astonishing.
But as also a ballet dancer , fouette is not something that you can do with one or two year practice . It's something that takes years to perfect . Even if at that point she got a problem that made her unable to fo fouette atleast she tried and I think it was a good idea to replace it with pique manege. Pique manege may not look as hard but it's on par with fouette. Since she handled the situation well by substituting the move as soon as she could . She is already worthy of performing swanlake.
the first one he did something like a figure skater -- SO BEAUTIFUL
For the last one, as someone who is barely experienced with ballet, I'd say that it was a good way to continue the scene with grace, but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't get the Black Swan role again
The problem is - she gets the role all the time. Also Kitri. Yet, she cannot do the fouettes at all. She gets the role because she is popular because of her book and publicity and she sells tickets.
You could turn backstage into a reality TV show with all of the drama and emotions that happen after people make mistakes. I have seen so many people go from crying to smiling and running on stage to perform and it relly feels like your watching one of those beuty padgent drama shows. On the other hand, some people take it amazingly and laugh it off. I have been backstage and witnessed Tyler Angle fall out of his a-la-seconde turns and he just immediately recovered and when he got off backstage he just laughed it off.
We all have our off days, but those dancers carried on professionally and continued on without any fuss! A saying goes, “The show must go on!”.
Okay but seeing the prop slowly rise and then go back down made me laugh so damn hardd
Daaaaaaamn that first recovery!
As someone who doesn't dance but certainly appreciates watching it, I would have had no idea that the last dancer wasn't doing what she was "supposed" to do.
She was supposed to do 32 turns and she only did like 12 or something. That's what I got from comparing it to another swan lake video. LOL someone who actually knows should enlighten us.
Some ballerinas will do more than 32 turns and usually ballerinas will mix up the turns by doing different patterns of singles/doubles/triples, change the tempo on different turns, and even change which direction is the 'front' for them spotting. Professional ballerinas don't get to do the role if they can't do the basic technique of the 32 turns & then it is pretty standard for them to do enhanced versions. This is where the controversy comes in as people say that Misty regularly can't complete the required basic turns. I've now seen 2 videos of her not accomplishing the turns. I find her to be a beautiful lyrical expressive dancer but, aside from the turns issue, I've seen lots of sloppy ballet technique from her. Lovely dancer but not accomplished enough in ballet technique to be a principal ballerina.
@@lollylula6399 The only one, that I saw, actually doing all 32 fouettes (not throwing in those piroettes) is Nina Ananiashvili. The free leg has to "whip" for it to be a fouette.
@@lollylula6399 for clarification it is not 32 turns it is 32 fouettes for swan lake. The great Maya Pliesetskya opted not to do fouettes at all.
poor Misty, love her sm though.
We should all appreciate and compliment how they got back up from their mistakes. These dancers that made mistakes and got back up are the “true” dancers we should all have. Good job dancers ❤️
Your knowledge is huge Sadly I have noticed misty c messing up more than I I care to remember
Yup, too many
I did a Misty the other day. I was playing the piano and I forgot what I was playing. So I began playing scales up and down until I remembered.
I thought you were playing "Misty" by Erroll Garner...!
when u said prepare for this recovery, it took me a good while to figure out what it was. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 good job man
Ivan Vasiliev seems to rarely make mistakes, however on the rare occasion that he does, he covers it up so well. I would never have thought to do something like that on stage (or at all, probably).
Anyone who’s danced knows this is the biggest of fears and when it happens its the biggest of laughs... later, but not much later. Mikhail once opened the second half standing in front of the curtain, one night he became completely entangled some how and fell out on the stage. He turned and faced the curtain arms out stretched as if nothing happened. A full minute went by and suddenly you could see his body shake and he couldn’t hold his laughter and longer. It happens to the best of us all.
失敗すると、批判どころか、余計力入れて応援しちゃいますね❣️頑張れ、ダンサー達‼️
Funny how the audience gets just as excited for mistakes as for perfection
The second clip was so satisfying
(falling down aside)
You ballet fans are very kind. We opera people used to make 'party tapes' just to illustrate how awful people could sound.
Indeed, I've seen a video deliberately making fun of a tenor's voice crack. It was brutal!
omg the wobbly knees totally got me i can sooooo relate
I'm all impressed with myself when I can take all three steps on my front porch in one leap. You won't ever hear me busting on a ballet dancer who trips up slightly.
Oh the first one I had to watch it over and over again because I didn't see it LOL HE WAS SO GOOOD
i legitimately got chills watching the misty one...I'm sure it was really embarrassing for her, but she knew she really couldn't finish the fouettés so she did something else she COULD do. idk i just find that admirable, and made her look a lot better.
The issue is - she cannot do fouettes at all, she's never done them. So why do the role where she cannot do the choreography? Incidentally, she has the same issue in all classical ballets and not just with fouettes.
I don't know why but the one that horrified me was Oksana falling off pointe on such an iconic moment. At least Copeland did some fouettes!
Copeland
The shank on her shoe snapped, that's why she didn't do any of the piques en pointe.
@@jangeltrain Oh what a pity, I messed up the token PoC's name, lol.
@@Charoula1608 what a disgusting comment.
Anyone else watching this after having a bad dance class to feel better about themselves?
That third one made me laugh so much 😂
American dancers' mistakes are a usual thing
Ivan Vasiliev is a legend and the two Wilis make me laugh so hard, if you move sloooowly nobody will notice, right? lol
The first one was so smooth I thought it added quite a bit of flair to the performance.
Omg that tech difficulty around 0:44 was so funny 😂
Do you know what it feels like to have a shank give mid performance? It feels like *actual death* so you do exactly what these pros did, and that's keep on dancing as well and safely as you can. Thanks for sharing!
I'm not a ballet dancer (theatre kid for life) but I remember I felt that same type of fear when I did Peter Pan (I was Wendy) and I could tell that my fly rail harness thingy wasn't put on right (it was too loose) so I had to hold onto it every time I went in the air. It was absolutely terrifying knowing that if I removed my hand from the strap holding my harness together, I could fall out into the audience (we were really high up too- I think we were about 7 or 8 feet above the audience- like actually above the audience, like, we were directly above the first 3 rows- it was not fun lol)
Oh heck yeah. I’m a musician but same thing applies exactly.
Thank you SO MUCH for pointing these “mistakes” to the uneducated observer like myself. I want to learn all about the arts. And I wish in music, opera, for example, honest critiques of singers were available from a vocal expert.
Check out the This is Opera! channel for a really enlightening critique of vocal technique in opera :)
th-cam.com/channels/ZmPxGnYwbE-mrhuI0UivHQ.html
Yassss to his intro message! Ur the shiz niz for saying those kind words!
The two group ballets you never want to mess up are waltz of the snowflakes and swan waltz
MARAVILHOSO🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 fantástico trabalho PARABÉNS Obrigada por partilhar SAUDADES 🇵🇹
Namdoaiskkd the first guy tho, he recovered real good and now im in like shock because of how smooth he recovered from that real quick
Shows that ballerinas always carry on
I'm always beyond impressed at the beauty of the human body, and how amazingly dancers can use their whole selves to create such beautiful moves. Unless one fell as the first young woman did, I probably wouldn't even notice anything was awry. My only concern would be if they were injured in some way. It seems as though they weren't since they all continued with their professional duties. Thank you for sharing these videos.
When I was 14, I blacked out and didn't remember how far I was suppose to leap on stage so I leaped too far forward and somehow got myself back to my spot on stage.
Honestly from all my years of dancing on stages I don’t think there’s ever been a time when the stage isn’t slippery so honestly it’s hard not to fall over
I think she was super professional and amazing 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
In regards to Misty, I think that literally every person, every entertainer, and every professional makes mistakes. They have off days and they have little slip ups. Sometimes singers voices crack, sometimes actors forget lines, sometimes musicians get notes wrong. Doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t. I think if she knew that the rest of the fouettés were either going to be garbage or that she was going to just fall out of them, then maybe the best call is to do something different. Now if this were happening every night or many nights a week, then maybe she would need to either take a break or they would have to change out principals. That’s my take at least
Problem is, a lot of dancers in ABT say that she doesn't master fouettes, and she never did more than 25.
And some say that recently, Copeland was replaced by an other dancer of ABT (and the poor replacing girl isn't even a principle yet while she would deserve it), during the black swan act (and Copeland cam still play Odette). Plus you can see that her choreography are always simplified in comparison with other dancers from the same company (you can search for "nutcracker pdd ABT", and compare her version with Gilian Murphy's).
Indeed, once you are a principle you should have the right to express yourself and change some elements in old Petipa's choreography, but you should at least be able to execute it smoothly before trying to change it IMO. :)
I remember once i had to quickly change and my outfit and i didnt have time to pull out my bloomers so i came out with my outfit tucked into my bloomers. Held it together on stage but got back there and cried with humiliation.
#2 is a classic.
I just love when
0:35 damn she did not miss a beat getting back up though. That's great :)
The two wilis one has to be the funniest
I just Love Misty. There is something unique about her.
Personally Michaela Depribce is far better.
I was a dancer for nine years ( I unfortunately had to stop for six) and I mostly do musical theater now but on the black swan piece it was the right thing to do any director or choreographer that has had a similar situation will tell you to simply improvise and keep going no matter what
Wether or not the turnsole the ménage was performed correctly is something else to be considered entirely and in my opinion I have certainly seen both performed much nicer cleaner sharper and properly by other dancers.
I'm probably gonna be the only one to say it, but Angela, BRAVO on the first 3 paragraphs, that was very well said!
Hello Elizabeth, thank you so much! I just thought it would be important to get this message through as there are quite a few other ballet mistake videos on TH-cam, however they are riddled with "humourous" sound affect that accompany the dancer's mistakes or falls which I found super disrespectful, considering all the blood, sweat, and tears they had spent on preparing their routine just so they can have a few minutes on stage. Myself being a performer, I would've been heartbroken if someone treated my mistake that way. Anyways... it makes me glad you understood! :)
@@AngelaChen1115 I think ALL dancers/performers - at least the intelligent ones - would understand that your intent in not to make fun but to show the pitfalls that are inevitable in a dancing career - and thereby "humanise" the profession for those of the general public.
i think missy copeland’s graceful recovery is a big reason why people are so critical. it’s so seamless that it looks planned. usually that would be a good thing, but with choreography that’s so famously difficult, people assume it actually was the plan all along and get upset
The reason people are critical is because this was not one mistake. She cannot do the fouettes, she has never done it, she's admitted in an interview that she can't. Why do the role where she cannot do the required choreography?
I used to do dancing and making a mistake or slipping was one of my worse fears on stage, I feel bad for majority of them
Hi there! I don’t know when the footage is from, but thought on Misty Copeland’s fouettés is that it’s possibly footage from either before she had surgery on her leg for a fractured tibia (in 6 places, yikes!) while she was still injured with or right after her return and she may have made the decision to protect her body. I don’t know if you agree, but that’s my two cents on the matter. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing, Erin! That sounds really painful. I hope she had a successful recovery!
When I make mistakes on stage (I'm also a ballerina) I keep a smile on my face then have a meltdown in the wings lol
0:34 imagine if they all fell the same way in sync. Now that would be impressive.
ivan vasiliev cover up that mistake so well!!!
I have a relationship of hate and love with the fouetté haha
0:17 how I’m tryna recover from 2019 going into 2020
Damn, I have the funniest viewers ever
and i thought that me playing it off when my ankle gives out in the middle of the hallway was good
I can relate to this, as a former ballet dancer. 🩰
The black swan one looks like she was just having an off night and bobbled her beginning which threw her off for the rest. She finished the fouettés at a good time and continued doing something that fit just as well
About Misty. She is for sure a great dancer and mistakes happen and everyone has bad days.. I have more questions about her pique circle.... where is passe ??????
about the misty one. i do think that a dancer should be able to constantly hit 32 fouettés in order to perform odile/odette but sometimes things happen that the dancer cannot control, that’s why i think that changing the choreography is a better choice than falling on stage, plus misty handled the situation beautifully