Working from home is absolutely a financial benefit: 1) Your commuting hours are gone, which is unpaid work. That could be 8 hours a week. 2) Your commuting costs are gone, so no more gas and maintenance, or bus fare 3) You can eat lunch a lot cheaper This could be thousands of dollars a year.
It depends on a lot of things. If you want to live in the city, it really isn't. You can save so much money/quality of life by not having a home office. It is pretty miserable to work from home in a studio apartment, or difficult to work productively without a separate room if you have young kids home. WFH is great for people who make enough to splurge on a home office, or people who actually want to live far away.
A lot of people don't like feeling cooped up at home all day or working with so much with technology. I agree people should try to find jobs close to home to prevent expensive commutes, but working from home is not financially beneficial for everyone, especially if it leads to decreased productivity, eating more unhealthy food since you are around the fridge all day, having to buy expensive computers, etc.
My employer has commuter benefits which is essentially an FSA account that is used for parking or transit related expenses not the same as paying bonuses for commute time but it is pre tax and my employer contributes to it which makes my monthly parking expense effectively 35% of what it would be without it and will save me approximately $1600 annually
One thing you guys overlooked; whether you’ll actually use the benefit or not. If you never use your free gym membership, don’t include it when evaluating your total compensation
I was thinking the same thing. Benefits are only worth including IF you actually use them. I have so many co-workers who don't use my companies 401k (4.5% match), HSA ($1,000 match + that great triple tax benefit), or stock plan (15% off and you can contribute up to 20% of each check). Not to mention the healthcare benefits. Why would you not cash in on all that?!! Just those 3 benefits (if used) adds up to being a 30% pay increase for me, without factoring in the tax benefits.
Yes! Ie women who don't have kids or hubby insurance. A lot of benefits are geared towards assuming women having kids or salary being lower bc husbands benefits cover the insurance. The most important part of this video is hours worked. You can never really compare if you can't estimate hours each required. And good luck to those searching for a high salary on a 40 hour week! Only in gov!!
I thought that exact thing. And even if you are going to use it- if you didn’t have that benefit what would your alternative be? $90 a month for a gym is not what I would pay for a gym. I would pay $30 at most so in the end that benefit is only worth $30 per month to me unless it adds a a major convenience to me with the gym being at work. For example, commute’s time and gas to my gym (~20minutes away) vs a gym at work if I would like to work out before or after work ($0 in commute) is something that would tip the scales. However then I have to evaluate personally if I want to go where I work every time I want to use the gym- even on days off and evaluate the possibility of my boss being right beside me as I kill myself on a treadmill trying to get in shape. Privacy decrease the work gym’s value that way.
When running the numbers on the equivalent hourly rate, it's worth remembering that salary is taxed but benefits aren't, so they're more valuable when paid by the employer than if we had to pay for them out of pocket with post-tax income
Good point; but it depends on the benefit. Easy examples of taxed benefits are the bonus and stock compensation. Health insurance is not taxed. But 401(k) matching is taxed at distribution, so it's a third category - tax-deferred.
@@christodang - It's not as bad as you think. Pushing benefits into employee compensation and making them tax-free or tax-advantaged creates perverse incentives and has often increased the cost of these goods or services to the point that they are almost out of reach of the self-employed or under- or un-employed. The health insurance system in the USA is the biggest example of this.
3 things are missing : -Commute time should be consider -Will you use advantages like gym membership ? -Advantages are treated differently in regards to taxes (at least where I live) Otherwise great video like usual ! Sorry for potential mistakes... English isn't my first language.
There is also the fact that employers make the salary lower because of ''benefits''. Yet something like childcare for a single person or someone who won't have children for a while is just lost money.
@@WaveRider1989 The large majority of jobs, especially service and working class jobs, have no negotiation options. Also, from personal conversations with hiring managers for those kinds of jobs, trying to negotiate on benefits is often a deciding factor for *not hiring you*. They think it's a sign you will make waves later on.
@@hopelesslydull7588 The way I see it, if they don't want to let you negotiate, so be it. You shouldn't negotiate in a position where you have no better or equivalent options anyway. If I negotiate it's only to give a bad option a chance or to break a tie If I have to lose some money because of stupid benefits than so be it. Not only it may not be very easy to change the benefits package due to local regulations or corporate policy, if the regulations aren't a problem it's a matter of time until someone finds out about how every company is wasting it's money on benefits no one wants, and if the rest of there terms are worth me quitting I'll do it.
Be careful not to overvalue benefits, which was very likely done in the video. Benefits that aren't used or aren't used to their full potential are not worth as much -- whereas wages are money in the bank (minus taxes, of course). Examples: 1. If you wouldn't buy a gym membership at the "valued price", then it's not worth as much to you. Maybe that perk is only worth $10 per month, not the sticker price of $90 per month (which the company is absolutely not actually paying -- they probably only pay the gym a small fraction because most employees won't utilize the benefit). 2. Unless you actually max out a 401k match (hopefully more people watching this video do! and they should!), you won't get the full value. 3. On lunch, if you'd bring your own lunch at a cost of $3 per day, then valuing the perk at $12 per day is silly. On the other hand, if free lunch wasn't provided and you'd then spend $20 per day for lunch, then mark it as such. Ironically, the video warns about employers using perks as a distraction -- and then proceeds to focus on the value of perks for most of the calculations. Keep wages (which will be fully utilized by you) separate from all the perks (which won't be fully utilized by you) when doing comparisons. After all, you can't pay rent, buy a car, save for a home, etc with perks* -- only wages offer that. *Yes, sometimes employers will offer perks directly in line with these things, but the point is perks are not fungible, while money is fungible. Money works for everyone. Perks only work for a subset of people.
@@dosadoodle Provided lunch is partially fungible, as long as you use the adjective to mean "exact equivalent substitute." Another word for "partially fungible" is "trade-off," and a trade-off always has some personal, highly contextual meaning. A tangential point: I came across this video trying to find out if any benefits are *not* tax-exempt.
I think for most people, it's not even what they want to be when they grow up. It's about what they *don't* want to be. I personally don't want to be financially struggling, or working under someone terrible.
When thinking about the value of the free lunch, you should consider how much that will actually be reducing your expenses. If you usually spend $12 on lunch out, then this analysis is correct. But if you usually bring lunch from home, the benefit of a lower grocery bill is actually only a few dollars per meal. If you don't want to place a dollar value on the time you spend preparing lunch in the morning because you would do it if the lunch weren't free, then the lunch benefit isn't worth as much. It's important to consider benefits in terms of what additional income or reduced expense it is providing, rather than assigning it a value you would never actually pay if you had to pay it out of your paycheck.
Use this for negotiations. I created a graph showing my hourly wage including my tuition reimbursement, and was able to get an offer that offered about $10 an hour more than originally offered.
When we were buying our home, it felt impossible to choose “the best”. So we put every important aspect in a spreadsheet and we noted them from 1 to 10. The cheapest appartement got 10 points on price. Our building has a big elevator, enough to fit the stroller 10 points, but another apparemment was on the ground floor so it too got 10 on elevator… on every aspect one is better then the others so it gets the 10 points and the others get there’s by comparison. Also if one aspect is more important then the others (like the price or nearby transportation) then note those on 1 to 15 scale. The one that has the most points at the end should normally win 🙂
@@LG123ABC Yeah we're spoiled and lazy. But you know what? It's pretty nice being able to go on vacation for longer than 2 weeks. WHILE getting paid. Helps to gain some knowledge in the geography department as well. Plus we don't have thousands of student debt, as education is basically free. We have free healthcare as well. Social mobility is only slightly better in the US, which means the American dream is a little more likely to happen. But on the other hand side in the US there's absolutely no safety net for people who fail. So overall, living in Germany is pretty dope. You should consider it.
Wow. Wow. Wow. Of ALL the research I've done trying to figure out how to calculate my time/value versus salary + benefits have I EVER come across a formula so...... fantastic. EXCELLENT content!!! Thank you SO VERY MUCH for this video! It could not have come at a better time for me.
the thumbnail cracked me hard hahahahahahhahahahaha best thumbnail ever... keep up the great work you been a big help.. and i am not even in america.. thank you so much
7:39 You know, I wish this was a topic people talked about more. My first real job out of grad school was at a biotech startup, where I was working 50 hours/week minimum. I almost landed an offer at a company which was offering me $10,000 less on paper, but the interviewers assured me it was strictly 40 hours/week. So per hour, I would actually have made more at the other place.
Love how info is presented on this channel! That being said as a recruiter for over 10 years on the East Coast of the US, I have to say all of the management jobs I’ve hired for as well as those I’ve spoken to candidates about require more than a 40 hour work week. I would say most have an average requirement of 45-47 hours per week required, with some as high as 60 hours per week. I think the question should be asked about the hours a person should expect to work, but expecting any salaried position to be at 40 hours per week, I would be surprised.
Great video! I love the idea of a breakdown to hourly rate. Personally I would value that gym membership at about 30% of what the company pays because it's value to me is much less than the actual cost. I had a job offer years ago that offered a salary that was 45 hours/week with paid overtime over 45 hours. I'm glad I didn't take it. I average about 42/hours week now. If I could be paid 80% of my current pay and work 4 days per week I would do it in a heartbeat. I have a friend who has a job like this.. you choose your "standard hours" per week and if they need you more than that, they pay you for more time.
The thing about sales is that it's difficult to compare the compensation, one month you may be making nothing, and one month you may be making a whole lot, it's difficult to compare to a salaried position when your income is so variable.
easier to calculate yearly tc, usually the formula goes base + yearly stock + 1/4 * starting bonus Fringe benefits are usually just bonuses and not counted towards tc unless you get very close offers (health insurance, free haircuts/massages, food, transportation, etc.)
I'm a workforce analyst and you should really use 2080 for the hours because whether you work or not you're going to get paid for those hours in a year. Earned time is the same amount of money as productive time so it's just easier to add the two weeks into it.
I remember some time ago I was displeased people of colour and other minorities were represented with negative sterotypical animations in one particular video. So I voiced my opioion about it and since then, I must confess the animations have become more diverese, more representative and more importantly tolerant. Thanks a lot. I am a subsriber from Ghana
Stock options vs. equity is a really important consideration. All things being equal, the opportunity to own a significant portion of a company that will be acquired or go public is a worth much more than short term benefits.
Hello my fabulous peeps!!! Love your videos as always. I always look forward to the next one. Great visuals, editing, sound, and script work. Easy to understand and super thought provoking. Keep it up! Jen
Many ESPP plans restrict the sale of stock, forcing employees to risk their principal. My last employer (Microsoft) lets you sell immediately so the 10% discount can be realized immediately, but some employers require you to hold onto the stock for a year or more - at least while you are employed there.
My husband has turned down job offers because the actual job was not worth it even with all the benefits. Granted he doesn't make as much as he would in a higher paying job. But he is much happier and has more time with the family.
I just got hired somewhere that pays more but insurance benefits aren’t as great... BUT... The most important thing for me is I will be working from home, nothing beats that.
This is very eye opening as to how to view these things. I’m definitely going to pay more attention to the math from now on All your videos are very informative, nice work!
For me, a major benefit that I appreciate is simply not having to worry about handling certain aspects of my financial life. Since my insurance and retirement options are laid out for me and the business aspects are handled by someone else, I don't have to waste time price shopping or searching for a good financial planner. And since my employer can leverage its large number of employees to get better rates, it's to their advantage as well to offer benefits rather than the additional pay that I would need to get the same results.
A few more things to consider, among others: -Taxes (affects value of base salary) -Cost of living in area (if choosing between jobs in different places) -Safety/other community issues (if jobs are in different places) -Commute time (affects economics and “quality of life”) One trick I’ve been told is to look around at the average age of employees in that company/institution. If they’re all young or all old it’s probably not a great sign.
I've always watched you guys for financial advice and this particular episode speaks to me because right now I'm trying to Traverse leaving my job in looking for a new one
Love this approach to analyzing jobs, I do the same thing every time I think about quiting mine, but the benefits are just too good to leave in my area. When I "run the numbers" on my employer's benefits it turns out to be a 38% pay increase if I utilize all of them, which I do. Side note: I noticed in the "run the numbers" picture there is no 1 or 9. I imagine that's because 1 has already crossed the finish line and of course 7 eight (ate) 9.
Thank you so much for the info!! Another big thing is staff turn-over rate.. If this is high ask why as it could either be upward promotion or them leaving the the company
This video was very informative. I like the approach you took in trying to monetize all perks into an hourly worth. Makes it really easy to compare offers.
Right now I have 2 nursing jobs where I can work whenever I want. Pay is good and there are bonuses due to shortages. I pay my own health insurance. I like the flexibility and complete scheduling control.
Good video. For those jobs that can be done at home, employers have to strongly consider allowing work from home to keep or attract the best employees. If they don't do this, then they will lose to their competitors.
It's important to calculate costs too. I have seen a few jobs where it would literally cost more to work than the salary. In some cases, the cost of transport, the increased amount of food when working, the cost of buy clothing that conform to uniform expectations, the deductions for training, deductions for using the phone to call clients, deductions to cover shrinkage, deductions for impropperly filing documents all together were litterally more than the salary and negative salary was a thing. That business didn't last long and had 70% staff turnover every two months, but it's now something to keep a very close eye on.
The paid vacation is already included in the base salary, since that was calculated based on 50 work weeks, meaning the other 2 weeks would be considered the vacation time
The 50 work weeks number is usually used to get a simple number of hours worked in a year, allowing you to compare hourly rates from different offers easily. If you prefer, you can use 2080 hours a year. This doesn't mean PTO was included in their calculation. If one job offers PTO and the other doesn't, you can still estimate benefits based on 2000 hours a year for each, or 2080 hours a year for each. Doesn't really matter if you are composting salary packages. It would only matter if you are comparing a salary offer to an hourly offer.
I love the future work idea at the end, will check out later I also wish more young people like myself would weigh ALL benefits and not just salary...........
I see a lot of debate for work at home jobs being a financial benefit, however for some jobs that require you to travel- even if that’s traveling 2x a month- or say they’re having you travel from building to building for sales- some companies will give you a car- it’s not necessarily completely yours - or pay off a set amount if you want to own/pick out your own car- bonus amounts for cars that have good miles per gallon because the company also likely pays for your gas based on your mileage each month. My mom’s company even pays for her car maintenance and cleaning. Now with the pandemic they went virtual and are just now starting to resume these benefits. So just because you have to commute- certain benefits can outweigh your costs.
Just in case your employer doesn’t offer a retirement plan, you can start an IRA with your local bank, credit union, or online bank. I didn’t get an employer sponsored plan until after college at 22. But I have been working since 17. From 17-22 I could have been contributing to my retirement. All that money made (even though little) is all gone and I won’t get back.
I big problem with the compensation packages that are offered today include things that are harder to factor into your salary. Like the video has mentioned things like: - Ping pong tables - Games to play - Remote work - Bring your dog to work - Relax rooms Are just incredibly hard to know if down the line if it is worth it taking the offer. I also think companies do this to also save on costs to entice new hires which is real scummy to me. One thing I'd like a video done on is if the job market is easier to enter than it was years before. Also has the interview process is improved and who specifically gets multiple offers. I just don't see the median candidate getting multiple offers and it's more of a confirmation bias set with just because top candidate got multiple offers then everyone must be getting multiple offers.
@White wolf the way it's advertised is the key issue. Job postings should be really transparent on what they are offering and with today's job market being so digital it's not easy to see that. Perks are good when it's utilized to the full potential of it. A good one with real contention is "unlimited vacation" like how can you exactly define that? I think it's more problematic in the software industry but that's why it would be good to know if entire job market has shifted on how compensation is offered.
@White wolf see that's based more on your opinion rather than actual stats factored in which I like what this video does. No one has ever recorded how easy it is to get multiple offers and I feel the media is really misleading people. If you can provide me citation on who and how easy it is to get multiple offers I'd gladly read it.
"candidate getting multiple offers" Job seekers need to get creative in responding to offers (delay “yes") b/c in my experience, offers often come sequentially, not simultaneously.
@White wolf the perks are good but sometimes a trap by scummy employers. Try to talk to an employee or two before hiring and ask if they actually get to use the fun perks
In my country you are extremely lucky if you have the opportunity to choose between jobs! Usually there are little things and not always on your career path!
I would argue that to properly calculate value of the health insurance in your scenarios you need to deduct the amount you need to pay from the total hourly pay. In the first example where the employer pays 2/3s of the premium, you will need to spend 1/3 of the value in order to reap the benefit. Thus, the true hourly pay should factor that in.
I love how this channel is quality over quantity. Every content is like a chapter in a book.
Agreed
Support your local PBS! :)
@@GrowWithWill good one
It really is tho. I love every single chapter!
And almost everything is explained in less than 15 minutes!! That's gold now
Working from home is absolutely a financial benefit:
1) Your commuting hours are gone, which is unpaid work. That could be 8 hours a week.
2) Your commuting costs are gone, so no more gas and maintenance, or bus fare
3) You can eat lunch a lot cheaper
This could be thousands of dollars a year.
It depends on a lot of things. If you want to live in the city, it really isn't. You can save so much money/quality of life by not having a home office. It is pretty miserable to work from home in a studio apartment, or difficult to work productively without a separate room if you have young kids home.
WFH is great for people who make enough to splurge on a home office, or people who actually want to live far away.
Yes! I was able to pay off all of my consumer debt with the money I saved on commuting when my company went to WFH due to the pandemic.
Here you get money to cover those costs. If you have kilometers that weren't paid for whatever reason you can get it deducted on your taxes.
A lot of people don't like feeling cooped up at home all day or working with so much with technology. I agree people should try to find jobs close to home to prevent expensive commutes, but working from home is not financially beneficial for everyone, especially if it leads to decreased productivity, eating more unhealthy food since you are around the fridge all day, having to buy expensive computers, etc.
My employer has commuter benefits which is essentially an FSA account that is used for parking or transit related expenses not the same as paying bonuses for commute time but it is pre tax and my employer contributes to it which makes my monthly parking expense effectively 35% of what it would be without it and will save me approximately $1600 annually
One thing you guys overlooked; whether you’ll actually use the benefit or not.
If you never use your free gym membership, don’t include it when evaluating your total compensation
I was thinking the same thing. Benefits are only worth including IF you actually use them. I have so many co-workers who don't use my companies 401k (4.5% match), HSA ($1,000 match + that great triple tax benefit), or stock plan (15% off and you can contribute up to 20% of each check). Not to mention the healthcare benefits. Why would you not cash in on all that?!! Just those 3 benefits (if used) adds up to being a 30% pay increase for me, without factoring in the tax benefits.
Lol. I had jobs with gyms. Went once to check it out and then never again. It's a real benefit
Yes! Ie women who don't have kids or hubby insurance. A lot of benefits are geared towards assuming women having kids or salary being lower bc husbands benefits cover the insurance. The most important part of this video is hours worked. You can never really compare if you can't estimate hours each required. And good luck to those searching for a high salary on a 40 hour week! Only in gov!!
I thought that exact thing. And even if you are going to use it- if you didn’t have that benefit what would your alternative be? $90 a month for a gym is not what I would pay for a gym. I would pay $30 at most so in the end that benefit is only worth $30 per month to me unless it adds a a major convenience to me with the gym being at work. For example, commute’s time and gas to my gym (~20minutes away) vs a gym at work if I would like to work out before or after work ($0 in commute) is something that would tip the scales. However then I have to evaluate personally if I want to go where I work every time I want to use the gym- even on days off and evaluate the possibility of my boss being right beside me as I kill myself on a treadmill trying to get in shape. Privacy decrease the work gym’s value that way.
You get a free gym membership and you don’t go? Wow, keep working to pay off those hospital bills later on in life.
When running the numbers on the equivalent hourly rate, it's worth remembering that salary is taxed but benefits aren't, so they're more valuable when paid by the employer than if we had to pay for them out of pocket with post-tax income
Good point; but it depends on the benefit. Easy examples of taxed benefits are the bonus and stock compensation. Health insurance is not taxed. But 401(k) matching is taxed at distribution, so it's a third category - tax-deferred.
That is what employers should focus on give employees benefits more than the wage so it doesn't get taxed like the wage
*cries in Quebec where most benefits are taxable*
@@christodang - It's not as bad as you think. Pushing benefits into employee compensation and making them tax-free or tax-advantaged creates perverse incentives and has often increased the cost of these goods or services to the point that they are almost out of reach of the self-employed or under- or un-employed. The health insurance system in the USA is the biggest example of this.
Interesting so maybe calculating the taxes off of the hourly rate for taxable benefits and salary is worth noting
3 things are missing :
-Commute time should be consider
-Will you use advantages like gym membership ?
-Advantages are treated differently in regards to taxes (at least where I live)
Otherwise great video like usual !
Sorry for potential mistakes... English isn't my first language.
There is also the fact that employers make the salary lower because of ''benefits''. Yet something like childcare for a single person or someone who won't have children for a while is just lost money.
You gotta negotiate what you need instead.
@@WaveRider1989 The large majority of jobs, especially service and working class jobs, have no negotiation options.
Also, from personal conversations with hiring managers for those kinds of jobs, trying to negotiate on benefits is often a deciding factor for *not hiring you*. They think it's a sign you will make waves later on.
I was just thinking of this the other day. I would benefit with everything having more money.
@@hopelesslydull7588 yea I guess I'm not aware. I work in a finance and accounting field.
@@hopelesslydull7588 The way I see it, if they don't want to let you negotiate, so be it. You shouldn't negotiate in a position where you have no better or equivalent options anyway. If I negotiate it's only to give a bad option a chance or to break a tie
If I have to lose some money because of stupid benefits than so be it. Not only it may not be very easy to change the benefits package due to local regulations or corporate policy, if the regulations aren't a problem it's a matter of time until someone finds out about how every company is wasting it's money on benefits no one wants, and if the rest of there terms are worth me quitting I'll do it.
I never considered "running the numbers" for benefits like this. I'm planning on job hopping soon too, so this is incredibly useful info
Be careful not to overvalue benefits, which was very likely done in the video. Benefits that aren't used or aren't used to their full potential are not worth as much -- whereas wages are money in the bank (minus taxes, of course). Examples:
1. If you wouldn't buy a gym membership at the "valued price", then it's not worth as much to you. Maybe that perk is only worth $10 per month, not the sticker price of $90 per month (which the company is absolutely not actually paying -- they probably only pay the gym a small fraction because most employees won't utilize the benefit).
2. Unless you actually max out a 401k match (hopefully more people watching this video do! and they should!), you won't get the full value.
3. On lunch, if you'd bring your own lunch at a cost of $3 per day, then valuing the perk at $12 per day is silly. On the other hand, if free lunch wasn't provided and you'd then spend $20 per day for lunch, then mark it as such.
Ironically, the video warns about employers using perks as a distraction -- and then proceeds to focus on the value of perks for most of the calculations. Keep wages (which will be fully utilized by you) separate from all the perks (which won't be fully utilized by you) when doing comparisons. After all, you can't pay rent, buy a car, save for a home, etc with perks* -- only wages offer that.
*Yes, sometimes employers will offer perks directly in line with these things, but the point is perks are not fungible, while money is fungible. Money works for everyone. Perks only work for a subset of people.
@@dosadoodle Provided lunch is partially fungible, as long as you use the adjective to mean "exact equivalent substitute." Another word for "partially fungible" is "trade-off," and a trade-off always has some personal, highly contextual meaning.
A tangential point: I came across this video trying to find out if any benefits are *not* tax-exempt.
I think for most people, it's not even what they want to be when they grow up. It's about what they *don't* want to be. I personally don't want to be financially struggling, or working under someone terrible.
Amazing comment
@@thatgui88 Thanks mate 😊
@@feynstein1004 yeah I just want to be financially stable that's all I want to be. I don't really care about getting rich or becoming a millionaire
27 years of my life. And I've never fucking thought about it this way
@@Oinkiepiggy Better late than never 😉
"people quit their bosses, not their jobs" 😮😮😮
A stupid saying
True a lot of the time. People get fed up with how they're treated a lot nowadays
Not true
USA: “healthcare costs covered at 75% and 10 days vacation? that’s a deal!”
Europe: (laughs)
I learned this the hardway lately. Healthcare here is a joke.
Commute time is another factor that should be included, that I think a lot of people don’t properly factor in.
When thinking about the value of the free lunch, you should consider how much that will actually be reducing your expenses. If you usually spend $12 on lunch out, then this analysis is correct. But if you usually bring lunch from home, the benefit of a lower grocery bill is actually only a few dollars per meal. If you don't want to place a dollar value on the time you spend preparing lunch in the morning because you would do it if the lunch weren't free, then the lunch benefit isn't worth as much. It's important to consider benefits in terms of what additional income or reduced expense it is providing, rather than assigning it a value you would never actually pay if you had to pay it out of your paycheck.
This is actually an excellent point I hadn't considered. Thanks!
Use this for negotiations. I created a graph showing my hourly wage including my tuition reimbursement, and was able to get an offer that offered about $10 an hour more than originally offered.
When we were buying our home, it felt impossible to choose “the best”. So we put every important aspect in a spreadsheet and we noted them from 1 to 10. The cheapest appartement got 10 points on price. Our building has a big elevator, enough to fit the stroller 10 points, but another apparemment was on the ground floor so it too got 10 on elevator… on every aspect one is better then the others so it gets the 10 points and the others get there’s by comparison. Also if one aspect is more important then the others (like the price or nearby transportation) then note those on 1 to 15 scale. The one that has the most points at the end should normally win 🙂
So few paid vacation days? In Germany, that's usually about 30 days.
That's because you're spoiled and lazy. We see hard work as a virtue here.
In Sweden it's usually 25 days/year. It can be 30 days also, but then it's usually with non-paid overtime.
Lol. Sigh. I know. It SHOULD be that.
@@LG123ABC Yeah we're spoiled and lazy. But you know what? It's pretty nice being able to go on vacation for longer than 2 weeks. WHILE getting paid. Helps to gain some knowledge in the geography department as well.
Plus we don't have thousands of student debt, as education is basically free. We have free healthcare as well.
Social mobility is only slightly better in the US, which means the American dream is a little more likely to happen. But on the other hand side in the US there's absolutely no safety net for people who fail. So overall, living in Germany is pretty dope. You should consider it.
@@LG123ABC i pray youre never let into a managerial position.
breaking down the job benefits into the hourly compensation is such great advice.
Thank you so much for including OT into the calculation. I've seen so many people's lives evaporate because of OT.
This is why I love yall. So simple but effective way of breaking down total compensation by hourly rate to see how they compare.
I’m over here making $17.00 and thinking both of those options at the start up seem like a damn dream
Wow. Wow. Wow. Of ALL the research I've done trying to figure out how to calculate my time/value versus salary + benefits have I EVER come across a formula so...... fantastic. EXCELLENT content!!! Thank you SO VERY MUCH for this video! It could not have come at a better time for me.
the thumbnail cracked me hard hahahahahahhahahahaha best thumbnail ever... keep up the great work you been a big help.. and i am not even in america.. thank you so much
7:39 You know, I wish this was a topic people talked about more. My first real job out of grad school was at a biotech startup, where I was working 50 hours/week minimum. I almost landed an offer at a company which was offering me $10,000 less on paper, but the interviewers assured me it was strictly 40 hours/week. So per hour, I would actually have made more at the other place.
This is really great advice! I do this all the time when I’m comparing jobs as well.
Love how info is presented on this channel! That being said as a recruiter for over 10 years on the East Coast of the US, I have to say all of the management jobs I’ve hired for as well as those I’ve spoken to candidates about require more than a 40 hour work week. I would say most have an average requirement of 45-47 hours per week required, with some as high as 60 hours per week. I think the question should be asked about the hours a person should expect to work, but expecting any salaried position to be at 40 hours per week, I would be surprised.
For me its all about PTO, stock options, and how big of a 401k match they offer.
I am starting out my first job. I am glad that I came across this. Will use this next time to evaluate on my next offer letter
If the good part of your ice cream is the toppings you're eating the wrong ice cream tho (seriously talking about ice cream 😂)
Lol. I sort of agree. The quality of the ice cream is everything. ; )
This is perhaps my favorite episode y’all have ever done
This couldn’t have come at a better time for me. Thank you.
The thumbnail>>
The content>>>>>
Y’all are amazing! Keep it up
Great video! I love the idea of a breakdown to hourly rate. Personally I would value that gym membership at about 30% of what the company pays because it's value to me is much less than the actual cost. I had a job offer years ago that offered a salary that was 45 hours/week with paid overtime over 45 hours. I'm glad I didn't take it. I average about 42/hours week now. If I could be paid 80% of my current pay and work 4 days per week I would do it in a heartbeat. I have a friend who has a job like this.. you choose your "standard hours" per week and if they need you more than that, they pay you for more time.
Learning a lot from your channel. Wish someone taught me all this at an early age. Your kids are really lucky!!! Thanks for the great videos!!
The thing about sales is that it's difficult to compare the compensation, one month you may be making nothing, and one month you may be making a whole lot, it's difficult to compare to a salaried position when your income is so variable.
easier to calculate yearly tc, usually the formula goes base + yearly stock + 1/4 * starting bonus
Fringe benefits are usually just bonuses and not counted towards tc unless you get very close offers (health insurance, free haircuts/massages, food, transportation, etc.)
I'm a workforce analyst and you should really use 2080 for the hours because whether you work or not you're going to get paid for those hours in a year. Earned time is the same amount of money as productive time so it's just easier to add the two weeks into it.
I remember some time ago I was displeased people of colour and other minorities were represented with negative sterotypical animations in one particular video. So I voiced my opioion about it and since then, I must confess the animations have become more diverese, more representative and more importantly tolerant. Thanks a lot. I am a subsriber from Ghana
I love how inclusive they are!
Stock options vs. equity is a really important consideration. All things being equal, the opportunity to own a significant portion of a company that will be acquired or go public is a worth much more than short term benefits.
Hello my fabulous peeps!!! Love your videos as always. I always look forward to the next one. Great visuals, editing, sound, and script work. Easy to understand and super thought provoking.
Keep it up!
Jen
If your job offers you espp and they offer it at a discount, that's a guaranteed return on investment if you sell after you buy
Many ESPP plans restrict the sale of stock, forcing employees to risk their principal. My last employer (Microsoft) lets you sell immediately so the 10% discount can be realized immediately, but some employers require you to hold onto the stock for a year or more - at least while you are employed there.
My husband has turned down job offers because the actual job was not worth it even with all the benefits. Granted he doesn't make as much as he would in a higher paying job. But he is much happier and has more time with the family.
My personal finance teacher introduced me to your content in class and it has been a big help
I just got hired somewhere that pays more but insurance benefits aren’t as great... BUT... The most important thing for me is I will be working from home, nothing beats that.
I like how brief and detailed the videos are from this channel. I learn more about money in a few minutes. Keep it up guys 💯❤!
This is very eye opening as to how to view these things. I’m definitely going to pay more attention to the math from now on
All your videos are very informative, nice work!
Love all your videos! Super informative & the neat graphics are very memorable!
You guys give some of the most applicable financial advice on TH-cam thank you and keep it up👍
Coming from a pension actuary, this is a great explanation!
For me, a major benefit that I appreciate is simply not having to worry about handling certain aspects of my financial life. Since my insurance and retirement options are laid out for me and the business aspects are handled by someone else, I don't have to waste time price shopping or searching for a good financial planner. And since my employer can leverage its large number of employees to get better rates, it's to their advantage as well to offer benefits rather than the additional pay that I would need to get the same results.
A few more things to consider, among others:
-Taxes (affects value of base salary)
-Cost of living in area (if choosing between jobs in different places)
-Safety/other community issues (if jobs are in different places)
-Commute time (affects economics and “quality of life”)
One trick I’ve been told is to look around at the average age of employees in that company/institution. If they’re all young or all old it’s probably not a great sign.
The run the numbers was awesome.
Keep em coming! The more the better off society will be! Thank you
I've always watched you guys for financial advice and this particular episode speaks to me because right now I'm trying to Traverse leaving my job in looking for a new one
Love this approach to analyzing jobs, I do the same thing every time I think about quiting mine, but the benefits are just too good to leave in my area. When I "run the numbers" on my employer's benefits it turns out to be a 38% pay increase if I utilize all of them, which I do.
Side note: I noticed in the "run the numbers" picture there is no 1 or 9. I imagine that's because 1 has already crossed the finish line and of course 7 eight (ate) 9.
this is a great video! So important the run the numbers before you make a big decision!
Thank you so much for the info!! Another big thing is staff turn-over rate.. If this is high ask why as it could either be upward promotion or them leaving the the company
These guys deserve millions of subs
This video was very informative. I like the approach you took in trying to monetize all perks into an hourly worth. Makes it really easy to compare offers.
LOOOOOOVE!!!! YOU CONTENT! So much quality in this channel. Thank you guys! Keep it up!
I love this channel
Excellent video as always, glad to see the original animator is back!
Right now I have 2 nursing jobs where I can work whenever I want. Pay is good and there are bonuses due to shortages. I pay my own health insurance. I like the flexibility and complete scheduling control.
I'd shit myself if I was offered a 70k/year job. It's hard out here.
depending on your line of work and location
You can expect that pay if you have the credentials. It's all about what jobs you can qualify for, there are 100a of jobs that pay more then $70k
You're lucky try 30k+ . Where you make enough but automatic disqualified yourself from Medical.
Why?? I'm 27 and I make 120k a year as a software guy in the Midwest.
What an amazing thumbnail 😂 Another great video from you guys!
I love this! I am on the job hunt and this is super relevant and helpful for me right now. Thank you guys very much!
Good video. For those jobs that can be done at home, employers have to strongly consider allowing work from home to keep or attract the best employees. If they don't do this, then they will lose to their competitors.
Love you videos, lots of learning with interactive pictures and fun, thanks for posting fun learning educational videos...!!!
I think it’s more important to enjoy the job you have, almost regardless of pay/ benefits
It's important to calculate costs too. I have seen a few jobs where it would literally cost more to work than the salary. In some cases, the cost of transport, the increased amount of food when working, the cost of buy clothing that conform to uniform expectations, the deductions for training, deductions for using the phone to call clients, deductions to cover shrinkage, deductions for impropperly filing documents all together were litterally more than the salary and negative salary was a thing. That business didn't last long and had 70% staff turnover every two months, but it's now something to keep a very close eye on.
The thumbnail is golden
That thumbnail is 10/10
The paid vacation is already included in the base salary, since that was calculated based on 50 work weeks, meaning the other 2 weeks would be considered the vacation time
The 50 work weeks number is usually used to get a simple number of hours worked in a year, allowing you to compare hourly rates from different offers easily. If you prefer, you can use 2080 hours a year. This doesn't mean PTO was included in their calculation.
If one job offers PTO and the other doesn't, you can still estimate benefits based on 2000 hours a year for each, or 2080 hours a year for each. Doesn't really matter if you are composting salary packages. It would only matter if you are comparing a salary offer to an hourly offer.
I love the future work idea at the end, will check out later
I also wish more young people like myself would weigh ALL benefits and not just salary...........
I see a lot of debate for work at home jobs being a financial benefit, however for some jobs that require you to travel- even if that’s traveling 2x a month- or say they’re having you travel from building to building for sales- some companies will give you a car- it’s not necessarily completely yours - or pay off a set amount if you want to own/pick out your own car- bonus amounts for cars that have good miles per gallon because the company also likely pays for your gas based on your mileage each month. My mom’s company even pays for her car maintenance and cleaning. Now with the pandemic they went virtual and are just now starting to resume these benefits. So just because you have to commute- certain benefits can outweigh your costs.
Thank you so much for this video! I'm graduating college this year, and I will be looking for jobs, so this video came in a really good time for me. 🙂
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you Two Cents.
Vacation days are most important to me. I will take a lower pay for more Vacation time
I predict you are a teacher, maybe a tutor
@@wreckingopossum Or just lazy.
@@wreckingopossum I'm a mental health counselor
@@LG123ABC I have a family and like to travel. Our lives aren't spent to work all the time. We have to enjoy ourselves too.
What a great video to put out during the 2021 Great Resignation!
Thank You for these videos!! They are awesome!
Thank you for sharing this important information.
I factor mine with the following:
-location
-workload
-work nature (retail is the worst)
Etc
Excellent video and very sensible advice.
Weighing a job option this weekend, great timing.
Thank you for talking about the 50+ hours a week at start ups! It's such a huge problem and people need to know about it. You arent being paid hourly
Just in case your employer doesn’t offer a retirement plan, you can start an IRA with your local bank, credit union, or online bank. I didn’t get an employer sponsored plan until after college at 22. But I have been working since 17. From 17-22 I could have been contributing to my retirement. All that money made (even though little) is all gone and I won’t get back.
Wow! What a beast!!
I love mint chocolate chip ice cream, Julia. It’s so good. 🍨
You had me at mint chocolate chip. That's my favorite ice cream too. My daddy always said look at those bennies (benefits) too.
The knight costume got my sub. Great moving tapestry cannot be denied.
this should be taught in school
great work !!
I big problem with the compensation packages that are offered today include things that are harder to factor into your salary. Like the video has mentioned things like:
- Ping pong tables
- Games to play
- Remote work
- Bring your dog to work
- Relax rooms
Are just incredibly hard to know if down the line if it is worth it taking the offer. I also think companies do this to also save on costs to entice new hires which is real scummy to me.
One thing I'd like a video done on is if the job market is easier to enter than it was years before. Also has the interview process is improved and who specifically gets multiple offers. I just don't see the median candidate getting multiple offers and it's more of a confirmation bias set with just because top candidate got multiple offers then everyone must be getting multiple offers.
@White wolf the way it's advertised is the key issue. Job postings should be really transparent on what they are offering and with today's job market being so digital it's not easy to see that.
Perks are good when it's utilized to the full potential of it. A good one with real contention is "unlimited vacation" like how can you exactly define that? I think it's more problematic in the software industry but that's why it would be good to know if entire job market has shifted on how compensation is offered.
@White wolf see that's based more on your opinion rather than actual stats factored in which I like what this video does. No one has ever recorded how easy it is to get multiple offers and I feel the media is really misleading people. If you can provide me citation on who and how easy it is to get multiple offers I'd gladly read it.
"candidate getting multiple offers" Job seekers need to get creative in responding to offers (delay “yes") b/c in my experience, offers often come sequentially, not simultaneously.
@White wolf the perks are good but sometimes a trap by scummy employers. Try to talk to an employee or two before hiring and ask if they actually get to use the fun perks
In my country you are extremely lucky if you have the opportunity to choose between jobs! Usually there are little things and not always on your career path!
This was a great video for me to watch as comparing offers. Thank you very much!
AMazing content! Love yall channel
I love you guys. Sharp advice all the time.
The thumbnail for this video was hilarious.
Really fantastic informative video...keep up the good work 👍
If only I could remember the calculations used for the next job search...for now I'm ok
Awsome topic guys a lot of this going on right now. Good info. 😉
Perfect video for me right now, cause I'm currently in between jobs
Thanks for the value!
I would argue that to properly calculate value of the health insurance in your scenarios you need to deduct the amount you need to pay from the total hourly pay. In the first example where the employer pays 2/3s of the premium, you will need to spend 1/3 of the value in order to reap the benefit. Thus, the true hourly pay should factor that in.