If I remember correctly, Dave Bickers competed at the Trans-Am race in Tulsa, Oklahoma which I attended in 1971. Shortly afterward I purchased a CZ 250 MX, which quickly proved to me that I would never be a motocrosser. But I loved that bike.
@@JackF99 If thats so, It has to be on the crank. Then you multiply that with 0,85 and you get around 33rwhp. And before you wanna play smartass and comment on this.. I work with dynos all day long.
Mind-officially-BLOWN🤯. I had no idea they had gates of so many riders in the 50’s!! Amazing! I wish the tracks had remained predominantly natural in motocross, instead of the gladiatorial circus show we are developing it into today….
I couldn’t agree more …….something Missing from the sport ever since. Fans used to like the high speed bar banging action…..the supercorss stuff really is boring to watch after a few minutes and is one of the reasons of its decline imho
@@toptiertyson1456 There's a YT video floating around from a guy wearing a helmet cam on a electric dirt bike in a race amongst 450's. Granted it seemed he was a better rider but was done and back at his truck before the rest crossed the finish.
!957? I thought I saw a Greeves 24MCS which, I'm not mistaken' was introduced in 1960. I bought one in 1961 and a 24MDS in 1962 and a Greeves Challenger in 1965/66 which just about banckupted me with gearbox repairs.
@@treskilion-9690 One thing you dont get in that film is the steep ness of some of those hills and the length of the track and the fact those big old goldies an the like were flat out along that Half mile straight also those hills were covered in large flints ready to have you off in an instant what i would say to any one who would like to see that area today is head to the top Butser hill the highest hill in Hampshire then drive down or walk down harvesting lane taking in the view over the wonderderful downland to the left and realising how lucky the riders were in those days to have the chance to ride across this magnificent landscape .
I saw mostly Greeves with a few other 2ts thrown in. Did hear a four stroke in the fray, could've been maybe a cub or two? Too early for the BSA C15 or Matchless G2s.
@@worldsnextsupercar4362 I had a '73 250, I believe. Weird thing is, I don't recall where it came from. Raced it at Carlsbad once, then ended up with new '77 RM250. I remember watching CZ supported riders practicing starts at Rawhide Raceway without using the clutch. My Montesa VR would have spit the gearbox on the ground. Wonder if Bert's is still around in LA Puenta, he used to spend time at the factory, then bring a bunch back. Miss the old days.
Nope, Bickers had Greeves in the rear view mirror, was on CZs in the '60s. I saw many iron cylinders on those bikes, signs of older units than those that were produced later on.
Unbelievable; I never had any idea that motocross racing was that good back in the 1950s, I want more.
If I remember correctly, Dave Bickers competed at the Trans-Am race in Tulsa, Oklahoma which I attended in 1971. Shortly afterward I purchased a CZ 250 MX, which quickly proved to me that I would never be a motocrosser. But I loved that bike.
Thanks for this absolutely beautiful step back in time, i grew up in this area and remember my father telling me of the racing at Oxenbourne.
14 horsepower, 6 inches of ground clearance, 3 inches of suspension travel. Plenty of great memories.
Come on now these factory Goldstars were makin 40hp
@@JackF99 true!
@@JackF99 40hp? Yeah dream on buddy.
@@swemx7403 Stone stock DBD34 was rated at 39-42hp
@@JackF99 If thats so, It has to be on the crank. Then you multiply that with 0,85 and you get around 33rwhp.
And before you wanna play smartass and comment on this.. I work with dynos all day long.
Bikes from late 50s and sound better than modern 4 strokes
Natural terrain grass tracks are the best.Super fun.The real deal.
Well... that was an eye opener for me, modern stunt stuff is so lame compared with the classics 👍❤👍
Mind-officially-BLOWN🤯. I had no idea they had gates of so many riders in the 50’s!! Amazing! I wish the tracks had remained predominantly natural in motocross, instead of the gladiatorial circus show we are developing it into today….
I couldn’t agree more …….something Missing from the sport ever since. Fans used to like the high speed bar banging action…..the supercorss stuff really is boring to watch after a few minutes and is one of the reasons of its decline imho
Ki show!!!
Muito bom resgatar essas imagens...
Absolutely love this. Wish I wasn't born in 2003 lol
The Sharpe brothers along wit the Rickman brothers were my heroes in those days
Early 70's friends had a Rickman/Zundap 125cc. A beautiful machine. Xtream light weight. Magnificent craftsmanship.
This course would still today on a modern bike. Personally I can do without the big triples you have to clear or you get landed on.
I can't help thinking the sport has lost something now with the modern technology
don’t have that counters anymore you don’t have a meet on the Monday all done online digital lap counter
Your bang on there Brian.
I`d like to do this race on a 76 Yamaha TT500.....Cheers from WA ST
Im liking all the off camber stuff....Some people say Ive been a little off camber my whole life. Im ok w/that.
Racing like it should be. COOOOL!
I'd like to go back to then and show up with a modern bike! Still looks rough after a couple dozen laps!
Imagine their eyes looking at a 2021 ktm 450 SX f
@@toptiertyson1456 There's a YT video floating around from a guy wearing a helmet cam on a electric dirt bike in a race amongst 450's.
Granted it seemed he was a better rider but was done and back at his truck before the rest crossed the finish.
Man...if only I would have been able to race these guys on my new dirtbike. I would have been a pro! :)
If the old pros like Bickers could get to ride a current senior motocross bike they would slaughter you!
Actually more watchable than the freak show sport we have today
!957? I thought I saw a Greeves 24MCS which, I'm not mistaken' was introduced in 1960. I bought one in 1961 and a 24MDS in 1962 and a Greeves Challenger in 1965/66 which just about banckupted me with gearbox repairs.
I think this was Mike LaRocco's first race.
Such a great time and racing anybody could race there wasn’t a lot of difference between the bikes performance 👍🏍🏍🇬🇧
Was there that day
Incredible! If you don't mind, can you describe it?
@@treskilion-9690 One thing you dont get in that film is the steep ness of some of those hills and the length of the track and the fact those big old goldies an the like were flat out along that Half mile straight also those hills were covered in large flints ready to have you off in an instant what i would say to any one who would like to see that area today is head to the top Butser hill the highest hill in Hampshire then drive down or walk down harvesting lane taking in the view over the wonderderful downland to the left and realising how lucky the riders were in those days to have the chance to ride across this magnificent landscape .
2021
"Big Air" (1.5 feet) "Modern Suspension" (3 inches)
Greeves with leading-link suspension up-front.....!!
Oho good,machine 250 power
I would like to ride that track.
Intense
Moto. Stands for motorcycle,cross stands for cross country. Motocrosss ,a off road race on a Grand Prix type track.
................. except that this is called 'scrambling' the 1950s and 60s forerunner to motocross
Greeves...cottons...cool
When men were men,and bikes weighed 400 pounds
eeeerrr NO. NO NO NO. That was scrambling NOT motocross
I just watched a 1959 race and they all were 4 strokes
No one mentioned....2 stroke noises from 4 stroke bikes....
A fair amount of those WERE 2 stokes..Bickers and Stonebridge and the winner were all on Greeves..
I saw mostly Greeves with a few other 2ts thrown in. Did hear a four stroke in the fray, could've been maybe a cub or two? Too early for the BSA C15 or Matchless G2s.
Mr. Nunna- same producers made the old Godzilla movies, the people speak and 2 sec later you hear it. Ha.
Imagine if this announcer replaced Larry Huffman in the 1980s Supercross series. 🤣
Larry Huffman is the GOAT of announcers. Miss his voice calling races. I still watch Winners Take All all the time on DVD.
Thanks great full 👍
The off cambers were fierce !
I miss my CZ.....
I have 3 CZ bikes ! One was sitting for almost 15 years and started first kick after minimal maitenance and gas draining. Amazing bikes !!
@@worldsnextsupercar4362 I had a '73 250, I believe. Weird thing is, I don't recall where it came from. Raced it at Carlsbad once, then ended up with new '77 RM250. I remember watching CZ supported riders practicing starts at Rawhide Raceway without using the clutch. My Montesa VR would have spit the gearbox on the ground. Wonder if Bert's is still around in LA Puenta, he used to spend time at the factory, then bring a bunch back. Miss the old days.
THE OLD FOXHILL 🤣😂
🇧🇷🤠👍
Impossible 1957
2 t proly cz mz mayb bsa triumph
GREAT BRITAIN
500cc 4 stroke lito
hannah was 1 year old lol
You sound young by that statement but man has motocross come along way !!
1957? 1967 is more like it.
Nope, Bickers had Greeves in the rear view mirror, was on CZs in the '60s. I saw many iron cylinders on those bikes, signs of older units than those that were produced later on.
I cannot believe my eyes, riders working on the bikes?????????
Would like to see todays riders wallo around in their pink leathers on these off cambers.
@@davemenzimer5721 Umm.. there are off cambers on mx tracks today bud. The bikes of today just make ruts that would swallow these bikes.
Honey, let's sit on this conveniently placed woodpile.......
caschi all avvanguardia HAHAHA
There was no band music in the air of the bike races then. It's distracting, so, detracting, IRritaTinG.