Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy CLASH over if Steven Gerrard should coach in Saudi Arabia 🔥
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- Should Steven Gerrard coach in Saudi Arabia? Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy debate the topic!
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If Jim and Simon were offered more to take their show to Saudi, they would be off in a flash!
Only a matter of time
@@pessf400 😂 where is the market for them there 🙈
What has that got to do with Steven Gerrard becoming a decent manager! How on earth have people even liked this comment.
Simon would have to ask Levy for his permission
@@dom4534
If that was hypothetically the case, it would be a definite no.
What he went through at Villa...by that you mean how his lack of tactical awareness or coaching ability coupled with non-existent man management skills resulted in him getting sacked far later than he should have been?
"A pub league in Saudi Arabia!" That's an oxymoron Simon, old chap.
Yeah it's a mocktail league clearly
You smart for that one.😂😂
It refers to the standard not the cash involved
@@ChristopherHarress1 actually it refers to the fact it's a Muslim country and their relationship with alcohol
@@DavidBaillie1986 haha. Didn’t even think of that. Quite right.
what he went through at villa was completely his own fault
Gerrard and Lampard clearly have things to learn as managers. The turnaround at Villa once Emery arrived was very striking. What Gerrard and Lampard need to do is try and become a number 2 for a top class coach to learn more about the job.
Or drop to championship
Thank you...they have big egos they won't do so...they won't be 2nd like Zidane was to Ancelotti for several years
@@Elbe8245 Yeah and also they get these jobs cause there face fits
Why mention lampard. U always gotta bring lampard down to Gerrard level u "fans"
Xavi managed in Qatar for a few years, and he looks to be a great young manager. It could help Gerrard to go and work with lesser players away from the media for a while, so he can experiment with tactics, methods, and man management.
That was my first thought as well. If Danny thought of Xavi it would have lend credence to his argument.
It's true you need to keep working to hone your craft, even if it's not your preferred option. Most would take a bag and coach in Saudi Arabia over coaching in the Championship.
Milk league tbf......
lets be real, Xavi is the only outlier and even then, was his mentor not more so the reason he looks to be a good young manager because he played under Guardiola? Gerrard could easily get a job in Europe or even South America even if it meant dropping down a level and if he did well, he would then start to open more doors higher up - you don't do that playing in Qatar or Saudi Arabia
But Xavis first managerial job was in Qatar, then he moved up by managing Barca.
Gerrard is very much on a downwards spiral with his managerial career.
@@Coxy_Wreckednone knows
Danny Murphy looking like a cross between Count Olaf and Princess Leia with the headphones on his head like that 😂😅😂
Why is it that Simon, never ever wears headphones?
Roy Hodgson coached for nearly 20 years in Scandinavia and Switzerland.....then got Inter Milan. Would Gerrard do that graft?
Roy Hodgson 😂😂😂 he’s shite as well
Hodgson didn't have the silk pyjamas back then.
Scandinavia leagues are alot better than Saudis league. He is getting a shed load of cash
Maybe Gerrard doesn’t care about how you view him Jim and Simon. Maybe he wants to go and earn some money and develop his coaching with top players and build his confidence. Whilst doing that he probably doesn’t care what people think of him, he probably cares more about building his confidence and developing his skill set. Just because you don’t value it doesn’t mean it’s not a credible option for him.
Obv the truth is he doesn’t have any alternatives where he can develop his skill set freely yet still get top dollar. This is probably a smart move for him xavi esque
Well said mate. Jordan and White talking absolute crap again.
Danny protecting his mate. Decent managers will wait for the right job. Fair play if you're going for money, just don't pretend it's something else
Exactly! Danny is making it out like he's testing himself abroad, well, there's plenty of foreign leagues he could ply his trade, out of all those leagues he just so happened to have landed on the richest one. What a coincidence 🤔😂
Why shouldn't he stick up for his mate? Everyone else on TalkSport does. Anyway I think it's better than sticking the knife in and ruining your friendships. I mean, for what? So the audience can have two minutes of opinions they don't even particularly need? Yeah really worth it, that.
Bingo
I can’t take this video seriously with Danny wearing his headphones like that 😂
Your a joker 😂😂😂😂
How can Danny Murphy say "what Stevie G went through at Villa" he was awful at Villa, brought in his ex Rangers staff and none of it worked. He made awful decisions some tactical and bought in the wrong players eg Coutinho, there is a reason he was sacked eg he was out of his league.
Gerrard is not a coach. He was found out when his Head Coach Michael Beale went to QPR.
Is Beale such a good couch ? The way he left QPR after when results had turned for the worse backtracking on his previously stated commitment, to go for another 'walk in the park' in Scotland with Rangers.
Is Danny wearing his headphones like that to stop his brain slipping out?
What I want to know is why the hell Simon, never ever wears headphones?
@@stevenjohnson7442 Didn't he say the chattering from the producer puts him off?
@@MarcoSpeaksNadsat Is that the reason why then?
I didn't know that.
@@MarcoSpeaksNadsat No, the real reason is clearly because he doesn't want to flatten his awful haircut, which is funny because maybe it'd improve it.
How would his brain slip out exactly? Surely you must know, as I'm assuming your brain fell out prior to you writing your comment.
I'm convinced there is an official footballing Old Boys club and they've positioned Danny Murphy at Talksport to defend the position of any members of the club being discussed
I'm convinced that it is unreasonable to expect these people to throw their friends under the bus for the sake of what? The gospel truth of football opinion? Would you go on live radio and talk crap about your friends just for the sake of giving the audience a minute or two's worth of relatively useless opinion? If this was vitally important, world-changing stuff, I'd agree with your sentiments on principle, but it's just banal football chatter, not worth ruining relationships over.
Is that a subsidiary of the official footballing owners club which Simon is card carrying member of so he can defend any owner, any time, and decision.
@@josephkerrigan733 I would assume, separately organisations
Once a pundit starts defending the undefendable for nothing other than being sycophantic that pundit should be no more.
Unfortunately Gerrards credibility and possibility of being a manager is in rapid decline.
There were whispers of him being a future replacement for Klopp at Liverpool and as a Liverpool fan that would a dream appointment providing Gerrard has the quality to be an adequate successor to Klopp.
But he hasn't shown anything in his managerial career to suggest he could fill Klopps shoes.
@@PhillColl1nsas a Utd fan, I would love to see Gerrard managing Liverpool
How much do you charge 😂
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@@keiron.4612 You're in luck, discount for virgins.
He needs to build his experience. Klopp started at Mainz. Xavi was managing there before Barcelona approached him.
Gerrard has still got a career for the next 20 years within management (if all goes well) no need to write him off yet
Just laughing at Danny’s headphones lol
Simon, never ever wears headphones...why?
@@stevenjohnson7442 it’s the do
@@stevenjohnson7442 He don’t want that hairpiece falling off
I agree with Simon Jordan for once, Stevie G isn't an elite level manager.
Gerrard and Lampard couldn't successfully play in the same team. Now they can't successfully manage at the same time. What is it with these guys?
That's a big reach isn't it??
@@johnandrews4144 It's a bit of a joke. Emphasis on 'bit'.
gerrard won the scottish title and lampard kept everton up, they should be proud of that
@@lennon1482 The Scottish League is like putting two Championship teams in the National League South. It is a very weak league.
Stevie good luck lad,i played to a decent enough level back in the mid 90s,things went south,on a site now with brickies,geting a living,there is alot of bridges to cross in the pro game,good luck to the lads that make it and earn a few quid.
The reality is there's only a few top class managers. Yet there's absolute hundreds worldwide. Why dose someone not being the best of the best mean they are rubbish.??? Many managers who are classed as good managers
Simon is right, as normal. Stevie G was a top player. but playing and management are different. As a manager he won a Scottish league, but failed in PL. he's not by any shape an elite coach. he needs to build himself back up before he's even considered for a decent PL job. He should go to the Championship or even back to Scotland or League 1/2. Manage Tranmere or Wigan cos they're not far from Liverpool.
A manager is only as good as his players.. It’s that simple. He managed a top side in Scotland and he managed a mid-table side in England. Doesn’t take a genius to understand why his results weren’t the same in England.
@supermillwall what a load of old cobblers sure uni emery took over villa and transformed them into a top 10 side, if Gerrard hadnt of left AV would have been in the same position as Leeds and Leicester
@@SuperMillwall He was 17th when he got sack from Villa. They've now finished in European places. A managers job is to find different ways of winning when it isn't going well, to improve players 1 on 1. He did neither of that after spending plenty.
Unfortunately Simon and as a consequence you are wrong. Just listen to yourselves. If Championship owners think like you and Simon ( which has a lot of merit). They won’t give him a job. His ego took him to Villa, too soon. You are both assuming because he done well at Rangers that he is any good at management. When Mourinho, Conte fail in the premier league, along with many others more capable than Gerard. What makes you think he has what it takes. Unless he really believes in himself which I’m guessing, Villa challenged that ego, he’d be a bloody fool not to take the money. As for Simon he mainly talks sense but asking what relevance Saudi money has in football is the height of stupidity. They own Newcastle and Middle Eastern money is embedded now fully in European football. What relevance? Their money makes them relevant. They are not spending because they are bored, they are not stupid. Far from it.
What if Tranmere and Wigan don't want him?
Utter stupid comment
Xavi coached Alsadd club in Qatar for many years and build his confidence as a coach and now he la liga winner.
I think if Gerrard is gonna go abroad it should be America, where he's out the limelight of the British media and
he's working with good upcoming players with excellent facilities and in a half decent league
MLS is a really tough league. Most of the teams have very similar standards of squad
mls is like league 2, don't waste years out there
Jim White is loving saying the name ‘Al Etifak’ … engineering any opportunity to say it 😂
Here's an idea Jim, ask your question and let people answer it before constantly interrupting them. Danny Murphy only got half his sentences out
potter was on his way to england manager till he took the silly chelsea job, and just when he was sorting the silliness out there was sacked, madness
He’s gone for the money and that’s fine but you can’t go and manage in Saudi and expect that puts you in the thoughts of owners in the prem or top of championship
the villa players downed tools, the rangers players didn't...who knows where he is as a manager tbh, go to saudi and get away from the doubters for a while
Gerrard has found his managerial level in the 12th top league
Struggled there too tho
Nuno Santos was brilliant with Wolves,promotion and top half EPL finish but got brunt at Spurs,now he just won the Saudi League and won't be surprised if a middle EPL team brings him back mid season
Nuno is already proven as mid-table Premier League manager, so he would get another mid-table Premier league team, regardless if he won the Saudi League or not.
Winning the Saudi league proves naff all.
@@FreshAlchemy to you and your small minded way of thinking
@@shaunleo9319 my point is after a terrible spell at spurs he needed that extra re-boost of confidence in his career and Saudi did the jo,it would have been hard if he just sat around waiting for an European gig which was never guaranteed
@bofelo-Craig He won't get a new job at the same level as Spurs, just because he won the Saudi league.
Gerrard wants assurances ''on the project?'' Imagine being as shameless a sycophant around someone as Murphy is with Gerrard. The only thing 'Stevie G' will be wanting assurances on is the number of zeroes on the end of his pay the Saudis are daft enough to give him.
If it wasn't for financial reasons, no player or coach would think about moving to the Saudi Arabian league.
Even if he is thinking of taking the money, he's young enough for it only be experience for dealing with different things, as it can only make u stronger. So if its one of the one main offers then he should seriously consider it
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Steven Gerrard's acute generation X personality and credentials means he's not open minded enough to be a successful manager in the modern game with the plethora of Generation Z players. As lay testament to his England days during the Golden Generation and general Generation X characteristics, he forms cliques and doesn't get on well with outsiders. He might start off well at Clubs but eventually his personality will get found out and he will always lose the dressing room because he comes across as not a very friendly guy to people he doesn't know.
That says more about the players then the manager though. Professionalism works both ways. There's plenty of players who don't even like football but they're good at their job.
Now that is a very insightful comment. Well said.
I would rather wait for the right job, Gerrard has time on his side.
Just because I wrapped sweets well on the factory floor it doesn't mean I have the qualities to run Cadburys
I 100% agree with Simon, but everyone forgetting that Xavi went from over there to now manage Barcelona….
Only because he is a Barca Icon duh,no other coach would be afforded that opportunity.
Danny Murphy was distracting me with his Princess Leia impression
I like Danny and will always be grateful for what he did at Fulham. But I'm so sick of the Liverpool Mafia sticking together. Gerrard is a non-entity as a manager. What Emery did with the same personnel at Villa tells you all you need to know about Gerrard's ineptitude....and Emery is no Guardiola.
He needs to learn in l1 or l2 with a good assistant with him like a bigsam,redknapp,
where was the CLASH
Hi, I'm from Liverpool, but have been working in Saudi for the last 11 years. I work/live in Dammam the home of Al Ettifaq. I have been a few times to watch Al Ettifaq. 26,000 stadium. Each time I was there less than 3,000. It's a very, very weak team in terms of the Saudi League. That said, maybe MBS (Prince Mohammed Bin Salman) has earmarked $500m to suffocate the club with ageing greats, or overpaid Euro failures. It's all in the name. No one here in the Eastern Province of Saudi is expecting any real quality of football.
Murphy once said Eriksen will never play in same team as Bruno Fernandes - clueless guy
the modern game with ex-players like Steve G becoming managers and getting top jobs all have a missing vital key, An experience Manager under them
somebody like a Harry Redknapp or Roy Hodgson, Just somebody to bounce off and turn to and say help what do I next
These top players get top management jobs too soon and end up going down the pyramid rather than up it.
Simon = Top Lad Proper Clobber
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Danny Murphy's argument is so weak and ridiculous. Put simply if not for the money would he consider the move? Absoultely not! There are mutiple leagues in Europe that don't have high quality champions league participation, and are miles ahead of the teams in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi league is much weaker, it will be difficult with a bigger language barrier as most players will be Saudi/Arabic and not speak english, and providing any sort of achievement is not merit by itself in making it back to an english premier league team! And it definitely is not SG's only option, that I can guarantee, the only reason Saudi want him is for his name based on his reputation as a player.
Is somebody going to mention xavi in Qatar.
Maybe Stevie G just needs to start again
There are other options look at what Eddie Howe did between leaving Bournemouth and taking over at Newcastle
Gerard's problem is 'Simples' he is not a good coach!
In the same way players are taking this as a retirement pot, I think managers are doing the same. I would be suprised if you see Gerrard managing anywhere else after if he goes.
Gerrard has a family to take care of. Simon needs to mind his own business!!! 🤡🤡🤡
Hard to listen to Danny with the headphones on his head like that. Whats he doing?
Arsene Wenger managed in Japan before taking over at Arsenal.
He hasd already done a great job with Monaco though, the french league was stronger than the Scottish league back then, Wenger had an amazing rep Gerrard is tarnished, plus Japanese players are very good now maybe Wenger could see potential even back then.
Xavi played for a coached Al Saad and won the trophies just bliek with Barca. People actually think Leeds is better prospect with a top Saudi team lmfao. Leeds to get relegated in Saudi league let alone compete in the champions league.
Interesting that Jim White chooses to take such a patronising tone when he refers to 'Al Ettifaq'. The Saudi League is clearly on the up and will continue to grow in the next few years, and also I am not sure there is any evidence that clubs in the Championship are currently wanting to bring in Gerrard so it is a mute point. In contrast Danny Murphy makes a sound point about getting more coaching hours and under your belt to develop as opposed to sitting on the sofa or in a TV studio not doing a great deal.
It's rubbish. It's everything that's wrong with football and corruption
Saudi league is not on the up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well if clubs in Championship won't take a punt on him then maybe he should just chuck it completely - which is kind of what he is doing anyhow..
@@stevethedweeb3846it obviously is.
@@Adam-pf1nk
How?
I hate these pundits who just protect there mates.
Danny is right. A side from money - the is Branding/ Reputation and Competence. Saudi will do nothing for Gerrards Branding/ Reputation for getting a new job in UK. However it could do something for his competence, for sure. Managing at all levels come with their problems and grow competence in some way.
Why does Jim White always look like he’s high on some very weird substances?
I don’t remember that at STV🏴😂
If Gerrard is what we think a bad manager then he's stupid not to go there
Where was the "CLASH"? I must've sneezed and missed it.
The championship would be much more rewarding for him,
I thought for a second they wanted him to play in Saudi rather than managing 😂
Jim is a proper goblin mate. Always knocking people down when they move somewhere or trying something new. Doesn’t matter we’re gerrard goes next he will still be negative about his next move. Jim you are a goblin lad
If Scott Parker could find another job not so far away, then Gerrard could without a doubt find himself another more respectful managerial role close by, to get his name back on the radar. Moving to KSA isn't career suicide, but it's a career stands still.
I could hand on heart say I wouldn't take the money to go manage in Saudi Arabia, maybe at the end of my career i'd take a payday like the big boys do but certainly not while I'm trying to progress my career. Nothing he does at Saudi Arabia will translate when/if he comes back to the UK.
totally agree with Simon
I would like to ask Danny Murphy one question: are you trying to start a new trend in wearing Headphones?
Ange Postecoglou managed in austrillia and then the J league for years then gets the celtic job all of which I don't suspect are amazing football playing leagues and goes on to the Premier league... So don't see how going to Saudi can damage Gerrards career if he does a decent job and plays an attractive brand of football he can still go on to bigger clubs...
Never known someone contradict themselves as much as Simon Jordan
Can someone show Danny how to use headphones
The english go on about people only going to saudi for money. Never occured to them why the top players around the world come to europe to play? How did the european leagues develop their dominance over south america and co? 😂😂😂
Mite be money 😂😂😂
this is silly. the saudi league wealth is personal wealth. the wealth of the english league came from tv broadcasters, the only reason the broadcasters put so much money into it is because they knew they could make even more from people watching it because it was popular.
@@oniondesu9633 it doesn't matter where the money comes from
so chelsea, city and co just got their money from tv rights?
@@stantheman11
Chelsea are one of the founders of the premier league, also it’s a LONDON club. A city with history and heritage. Saudi Arabia was a complete desert with Bedouin tribesmen a few decades ago
i believe it gives him a chance to develop his coaching style for 2-3 years then will be back
That’s like saying someone who failed PhD a in maths, can go back to doing basic additions and subtractions to developing maths skills, before trying the PhD again. There are levels to it.
Al Ettifaq now shows Chairman as Simon Jordan and manager as Danny Murphy 😂😂🤣🤣
Did Xavi not coach in the middle east and follow that with taking the Barca job? Not impossible to bounce back if he goes there.
Forget doing it at Stoke on a rainy night anymore...its all about doing it in the heat of Arabia
Murphy started off so confident about the footballing merits of his mate Gerrard taking a job in Saudi Arabia.
That backyourmate-delusion unraveled and he was backtracking within a minute or so, Simon barely even had to try.
Football is the only business where if you fail you get another job in the top division. Gerrard can do whatever he likes, it's not going to damage his reputation
He should have gone to a club as an assistant manager to learn his trade properly.
Wasn't he already a assistant for klop .His ego won't allow him
Take the money. Simples.
Sorry Danny, you don't learn by coaching at "any level". By that logic, top class managers would be flying to the likes of Indonesia or Philippines to coach there!
Call a spade a spade - Gerrard, right now, isn't able to manage in the Premier League. His best bet would be to coach in the Championship, get a club promoted and possibly have a decent run in the FA Cup.
Go back 30 years this same conversation was being had about the J League
I thought Stevie G and Gary McAllister were off to Leeds? 🤔
I am not gonna bash him for taking the money but he could have easily got a job in the championship to build his stock again.
Danny mate just great points here. Staying in the game getting away from the English press etc
According to Wikipedia, Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy are chairman and manager of the club
I think he should coach in Antarctica
Isn't that where you white people are originally from
The saudi league makes ighalo look like prime henry
Urghh danny says 'hypotheses' constantly, think its the only big word he knows
What’s Danny talking about?? Of course he has other options!! For example if Cheltenham or Yeovil don’t have a manager he could well take it!!! He’s just lazy and don’t walk to climb ladders again
If Gerrard goes to Saudi, with the massive problems that country has with human rights, then Gerrard is FINISHED in english football.
Your right the human rights in Saudi bad and Gerrard goes there no respect for him
I'd take that job as well. Coaching football in the UAE, best working holiday going 😂
Al-Ittifag manager according to wiki is...Simon Jordan 😂
now danny murphy :)
Wikipedia it now. It shows as Simon Jordan as manager! Haha
Leeds if he's lucky, a swansea side who's going to have its squad stripped by the departing manager or a league 1 reading side. I think unless he gets leeds job saudi isbthe way
The example and path to follow for Gerard is what Xavi did.
Why not be the first one in.
Imagine in 3yrs.
They will have every single top player and then managers anyway
Danny Murphy is now the manager of the club according to wiki 😂😂