I've got a tough one for you. I've grown a lot as a Ren'Py developer thanks to you, so if anyone can steer me in the right direction, it's you. I'm trying to craft a unique notetaking system. Some have presented something a little similar, but they go off in in different directions because their systems are still different. I want the notebook to be on its own screen [got that], have custom text entry with a very high character count [only somewhat got that], retain the content of the notes [don't got that], and be fully available to the player at any time [don't got that]. Imagine the History page except the player types in everything, or Post-It Notes in a book format. The player can open the screen and it can be a list of entries like the Save screen, or it can just be like a scroll a mile long. Either way, I need it to capture typed user input, retain it, and display all it to the player on demand. I can't find anyone doing this exact system, so I don't know how to move forward from here. Would you ever try this out and make a video on it? I've been piecing it together, but I get stuck on making the most important pieces intersect. I feel like I can do it, but I also feel like I'm missing some key information that ties all of the pieces I've smashed together into a clean and useful genre transforming feature.
That's not really difficult to do. Store each entry in a variable and put it on the custom screen. What exactly are you struggling with? You would start with an empty list notebook = [ ] and then add the notes as strings to it. The display screen them iterates through the list and displays them.
@@Milkymalk I'm struggling with getting the text entry part going. I had experimented with it before, but it seems that I can only get it to work by setting it up like a custom name entry. I'm trying to accomplish a title / subject entry, followed by a body / paragraph entry for each. I hadn't learned that I can capture data with variables yet, but I'm able to somewhat picture what you're saying. I'm stepping into a more advanced level of Ren'Py development, seeing that it can do a lot more than I initially thought. I'll see if I can dig up which variables are best suited for capturing data in this way. Your comment is a huge push in the right direction, and I greatly appreciate you investing the time to help me with this.
Great video, Vimi! I’ve been a dev for a long time and a VN fan even longer, and even I picked up some new vocab! I’ve been linking your videos on the Ren’py beginner guide page on my website. Your videos are the very best place to start for an absolute beginner and beyond! :) ❤
Even as someone who considers themselves well versed in visual novels, I learned a lot from this (Plus seeing the Clannad and New Game clips made me smile
It is kind of weird that we call them all VNs, isn't it? It's sort of like calling any console a "Nintendo" or tissues "Kleenex". Glad you covered this and talked about a lot of early VNs that a lot of people may not have experienced. Great primer. Thank you
A really cool video overall! I was suprised to learn there were terms I didn't know of (mainly some professional gamedev ones, haha). For example, I didn't realize there were names for certain narrative structures in VNs. I'm gonna have to take notes... A point I'd like to raise, though: the term "Bara" as you described it is only popular in western VN/anime/manga circles. In Japan itself, it's considered controversial - and many gay creatives there have expressed their discomfort with the term. Over there, the term they'd use (for manga at least) would be "geikomi", with subterms used for the body types they're depicting (eg. "gachimuchi" for muscly characters). Otherwise, good work!
I put a little asterisk there on the "bara" part in the upper corner that covered the controversial nature of the term, but I did not know about the subterms 🤔. If I revisit the subject, I'll do a little more research to figure out those subcategories!
I picked it up from a guy that makes light fixtures from scrap. I loved it so much, I bought it before I realized I didn't have a vehicle I could fit it in to take it home.
9:25 The cursed stock footage of Graves jungling while somebody pretends to use a gamepad haunts me. Is it some inside joke I'm not getting? You can't make that on accident Also, talking smack about Chuunige is maidenless behaviour
Wait, there are actually anthology VNs? I've seen the Kusoge label also applied to "So bad it's good" fighting games within the FGC. Also, please update more. I love your stuff.
A lot of fandiscs tend to use the anthology story structure, but it's also a good opportunity to have multiple dev teams collaborate on a singular VN - Ukraine War Stories comes to mind in particular. vndb.org/g830 I'll try my best to update more often!
Maybe at some point? Personally, I think if you have no real graphic design experience, you're better off using the default layout/settings that come with Ren'py or Naninovel - they usually design the defaults to work well enough. I could think about it for a future video, though!
I remember in school, when we were learning words associated with a new subject, as opposed to just general English, we would have obvious words on our vocab sheets. So, I’m guessing it’s just commonplace when introducing a topic, like this.
That pronounciation of bishoujo made me think of a double meaning lol. That aside, this is a good refresher for me who haven't played many VNs but want to borrow some elements for my game. Cheers
Half way thru the video, bu im curious what VNs do you recommend for some one looking to learn more about the genre. I think the only one I played was Doki Doki Literature Club.
Depends entirely on what you're into! There's plenty of Kamige that people recommend (Danganronpa, The House in Fata Morgana, and Steins;Gate were all recommended to me), but there's also a lot of weird, interesting stuff that you might not find if you stick only to the "classics". Personally, I really enjoyed Psycholonials, Scarlet Hollow, and Florence, but I'm usually trying to find more off-beat stuff. South Scrimshaw is another weird one I've been trying to find time to play, but I have also been trying to play other classics like Narcissu, 428:Shibuya Scramble, and Clannad.
@@vimi Definitely gonna give all these a look thanks for the recs! I think I downloaded a game from the same studio that made Scarlet Hallow, Slay the Princess, I haven't tried it out yet tho but I heard good things.
"Milk inside a bag of milk inside a bag of milk" and the sequel, "Milk outside a bag of milk outside a bag of milk" have a pretty unique aesthetic to them. The original is only a dollar on itch.io, so it's worth giving it a shot, I think.
16-Bit Sensation! it's an anime about a girl who periodically gets thrown back in time, and works for a small visual novel studio during the '90s to mid '00s. I'm grabbing a bunch of footage from it for b-roll!
@@vimi Anime is cool my bra, As an Italian South African man who speaks somewhat Japanese, anime is quite common here in Africa believe it or not. So yeah my bra. I get all the waifus well you're stuck with your American styled VN's. As a game dev too. I follow kinda a black and white manga style because it gives me the right vibes, Also man, ace attorney had an anime style. And look at how western that franchise has become man. So yes my bra. That is not very billtong of you to be so vulgourous. You left me feeling quite unfathomed there man. I will send you to the shadow dimension if you don't consume every episode of The Quintessential Quintuplets my bra
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I'm realising now I probably should have learned this stuff before spending years working on a visual novel... Oops.
Some of the terms were new to me as well, but it put in context a LOT of genre conventions that I'd internalized over the years.
Hope your release went well
I've got a tough one for you. I've grown a lot as a Ren'Py developer thanks to you, so if anyone can steer me in the right direction, it's you. I'm trying to craft a unique notetaking system. Some have presented something a little similar, but they go off in in different directions because their systems are still different. I want the notebook to be on its own screen [got that], have custom text entry with a very high character count [only somewhat got that], retain the content of the notes [don't got that], and be fully available to the player at any time [don't got that]. Imagine the History page except the player types in everything, or Post-It Notes in a book format. The player can open the screen and it can be a list of entries like the Save screen, or it can just be like a scroll a mile long. Either way, I need it to capture typed user input, retain it, and display all it to the player on demand.
I can't find anyone doing this exact system, so I don't know how to move forward from here. Would you ever try this out and make a video on it?
I've been piecing it together, but I get stuck on making the most important pieces intersect. I feel like I can do it, but I also feel like I'm missing some key information that ties all of the pieces I've smashed together into a clean and useful genre transforming feature.
That's not really difficult to do. Store each entry in a variable and put it on the custom screen. What exactly are you struggling with? You would start with an empty list notebook = [ ] and then add the notes as strings to it. The display screen them iterates through the list and displays them.
@@Milkymalk I'm struggling with getting the text entry part going. I had experimented with it before, but it seems that I can only get it to work by setting it up like a custom name entry. I'm trying to accomplish a title / subject entry, followed by a body / paragraph entry for each.
I hadn't learned that I can capture data with variables yet, but I'm able to somewhat picture what you're saying. I'm stepping into a more advanced level of Ren'Py development, seeing that it can do a lot more than I initially thought.
I'll see if I can dig up which variables are best suited for capturing data in this way. Your comment is a huge push in the right direction, and I greatly appreciate you investing the time to help me with this.
I'M SO GLAD YOU UPLOADED ANOTHER AWESOME VIDEO, I LOVE THEM SO MUCH they're so useful dude, thank you 😭🤲💗
Great video, Vimi! I’ve been a dev for a long time and a VN fan even longer, and even I picked up some new vocab! I’ve been linking your videos on the Ren’py beginner guide page on my website. Your videos are the very best place to start for an absolute beginner and beyond! :) ❤
Even as someone who considers themselves well versed in visual novels, I learned a lot from this (Plus seeing the Clannad and New Game clips made me smile
Another great video!
1:18 I consider sound novel a relevant term only because Ryukishi adopted it to describe Higurashi and he's the GOAT to me.
Your background lighting reminds me of the movie "eyes wide shut" which played with visual elements, like these colors. Each had a specific meaning.
I'm glad you have a word for Visual novels with no gameplay. Kinetic Novels, "KNs" fit my series better.
I'm glad I catch onto a lot of these terms subconsciously before I learn the terminology.
Please keep those content! I got into building VNs because of you. Thank you!!
Nice!
Your channel is incredible, dude. Cheers from a Brazillian visual novel enjoyer.
A great overview for someone starting out in VN development!
19:12 Don't know why it bugs me so much, but bishoujo and bishonen are pronounced beeshoujo and beeshonen.
Sorry, had to get it out.
It's fine, I've been getting called out for it on discord plenty lol.
@@vimiI hope no one being rude about it. Mistakes happen afterall.
@@genera1013 Haha, no worries, it's just trash talk between friends.
thank you so much for uploading more, you help a lot of people
I subscribed a few weeks ago and was hoping you'd upload again soon, so it's really cool to see this video!!
It is kind of weird that we call them all VNs, isn't it? It's sort of like calling any console a "Nintendo" or tissues "Kleenex". Glad you covered this and talked about a lot of early VNs that a lot of people may not have experienced. Great primer. Thank you
or calling any transparent plastic tape Sellotape, or calling any small convection oven an Airfryer... wait...
Some of these terms are useful for any form of game or software development too. This is a handy guide
This was great. It’s a really cool primer not just for devs, but fans and newcomers too.
Glad to see you back!
Why did I know most of these terms at age 11 and why did I not learn any additional ones throughout the next 8 years?!
Your content creation is getting better and better!
Thanks!
A really cool video overall! I was suprised to learn there were terms I didn't know of (mainly some professional gamedev ones, haha). For example, I didn't realize there were names for certain narrative structures in VNs. I'm gonna have to take notes...
A point I'd like to raise, though: the term "Bara" as you described it is only popular in western VN/anime/manga circles. In Japan itself, it's considered controversial - and many gay creatives there have expressed their discomfort with the term. Over there, the term they'd use (for manga at least) would be "geikomi", with subterms used for the body types they're depicting (eg. "gachimuchi" for muscly characters).
Otherwise, good work!
I put a little asterisk there on the "bara" part in the upper corner that covered the controversial nature of the term, but I did not know about the subterms 🤔. If I revisit the subject, I'll do a little more research to figure out those subcategories!
@@vimi Oh, awesome! Thanks so much for that, I appreciate it… 🥹
yoo, thanks for the video! ❤️
I'm glad TH-cam recommended this to me.. I really needed it🥺
You caught me I did just jump in
Been a while since Vimi uploaded renpy tutorials, thank you for sharing more depth about VN!
Digging whole entire traffic light you've got chilling in your setup xD
I picked it up from a guy that makes light fixtures from scrap. I loved it so much, I bought it before I realized I didn't have a vehicle I could fit it in to take it home.
@@vimi That's awesome 😂
9:25 The cursed stock footage of Graves jungling while somebody pretends to use a gamepad haunts me. Is it some inside joke I'm not getting? You can't make that on accident
Also, talking smack about Chuunige is maidenless behaviour
You heard smack but I spoke truth. Embrace the cringe.
Good videos for total newbs in GD and VN!
But nevertheless, you can find here some things even if you are not new to the VN and GameDev;
Thank you!
the goat dropped a new video pause everything
YES!! A NEW VIDEO!! LETS GOOOO
Wait, there are actually anthology VNs?
I've seen the Kusoge label also applied to "So bad it's good" fighting games within the FGC.
Also, please update more. I love your stuff.
A lot of fandiscs tend to use the anthology story structure, but it's also a good opportunity to have multiple dev teams collaborate on a singular VN - Ukraine War Stories comes to mind in particular. vndb.org/g830
I'll try my best to update more often!
Just found your channel! Looking forward to binging your channel
it's funny that people try to make these without playing one. I'm waiting to finish 10 before I start mine.
Great video. Helped me learn alot!!!
Monokuma?! :O This is serious puhuhuhuhuhuuhu
I guess GDLC is way more complex than standard SDLC huh.
Thank you! Can you please do the graphics tutorial for people who know nothing about graphical design? Like where to start?
Maybe at some point?
Personally, I think if you have no real graphic design experience, you're better off using the default layout/settings that come with Ren'py or Naninovel - they usually design the defaults to work well enough.
I could think about it for a future video, though!
imagine making a video where you feel you have to explain the concept of "Choices"
I remember in school, when we were learning words associated with a new subject, as opposed to just general English, we would have obvious words on our vocab sheets. So, I’m guessing it’s just commonplace when introducing a topic, like this.
That pronounciation of bishoujo made me think of a double meaning lol. That aside, this is a good refresher for me who haven't played many VNs but want to borrow some elements for my game. Cheers
My pronunciation is horrible :(
i had this in my background as i do my chores. had to double take when i heard (Bi)shounen and (Bi)shoujo😂
what are the blurry pictures from he is referencing in the eroge section? @18:50
your channel is amazing
Does anybody know the sauce for the anime in the bg?
12:55 - story mechanics
15:18 - types of endings
16:38 - categorizing
16:50 - Moege
16:59 -Chuunige
18:24 - Romance
19:50 - for women
Half way thru the video, bu im curious what VNs do you recommend for some one looking to learn more about the genre. I think the only one I played was Doki Doki Literature Club.
Depends entirely on what you're into!
There's plenty of Kamige that people recommend (Danganronpa, The House in Fata Morgana, and Steins;Gate were all recommended to me), but there's also a lot of weird, interesting stuff that you might not find if you stick only to the "classics".
Personally, I really enjoyed Psycholonials, Scarlet Hollow, and Florence, but I'm usually trying to find more off-beat stuff. South Scrimshaw is another weird one I've been trying to find time to play, but I have also been trying to play other classics like Narcissu, 428:Shibuya Scramble, and Clannad.
@@vimi Definitely gonna give all these a look thanks for the recs! I think I downloaded a game from the same studio that made Scarlet Hallow, Slay the Princess, I haven't tried it out yet tho but I heard good things.
@@malcolmholliday9710 I've heard good things about it too!
I’m curious about that rvn thing, any recommendations for rvn games?
"Milk inside a bag of milk inside a bag of milk" and the sequel, "Milk outside a bag of milk outside a bag of milk" have a pretty unique aesthetic to them. The original is only a dollar on itch.io, so it's worth giving it a shot, I think.
@@vimi i didn’t know that was Russian actually, thank you for the recommendation ^^
lets gooo new vid!!
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That was interesting, thanks. So, I'm a Dev... OK :)
Yes you are! Congrats!
btw. what anime is on the intro?
16-Bit Sensation! it's an anime about a girl who periodically gets thrown back in time, and works for a small visual novel studio during the '90s to mid '00s.
I'm grabbing a bunch of footage from it for b-roll!
Ah, the 90s visual novels. That era of vn certainly had unique souls in them. Thanks for the video and the anime ref@@vimi
Is there a genre that is both visual novel and soulslike with roguelike elements?
Not a genre, really, but it would probably be classified as either a hybrid visual novel, or a straight up soulslike.
Tell me about RGA patch shown in joi play emulator
10:20 you spelled "bugs" as "bubs".
Did someone play Everlasting Summer here? Russian visual novel
A man of culture appeared.
@@multijohnen йеах
GL and Yuri are like comparing Ero and P*rn, first is centered around an idea, and the other - around n*dity.
Same goes for BL and Yaoi.
Why should any visual novel game dev die from not learning these terms?
What I literary don't understand is why 99% of the VN are made in bloody freaking Japanese anime style. Honestly, why?
Most VNs are made by hobbyists that want to make visual novels like the ones they enjoy, and the most famous VNs are in an anime style.
@@vimi that's shame imho. Feel scarcity of not-anima-style VNs
@@ПавлоК-з9н Be the change you want to see in the world
@@vimiNicely said, mate
@@vimi Anime is cool my bra, As an Italian South African man who speaks somewhat Japanese, anime is quite common here in Africa believe it or not. So yeah my bra. I get all the waifus well you're stuck with your American styled VN's. As a game dev too. I follow kinda a black and white manga style because it gives me the right vibes, Also man, ace attorney had an anime style. And look at how western that franchise has become man. So yes my bra. That is not very billtong of you to be so vulgourous. You left me feeling quite unfathomed there man. I will send you to the shadow dimension if you don't consume every episode of The Quintessential Quintuplets my bra
Very good video thx
I misss you