My 7th great-grandfather was actually a parish priest in the 1600s, but the records for his parish haven't [yet] been transcribed. I had to view them on microfiche at my local records office - helpfully only a couple of hundred yards from where I live! For many of his own chindren, he didn't just record the date of birth, but the exact time.
Parish records are useful for information about the local parish. If you have the time stop and read the introductory pages as they may provide incidental details of your family. For instance I found some information about my wife's TRUNCHION family being vaccinated for pox in the late 1700s...
James... Thanks for that tip. I'm still a newbie to Parish records and didn't know this was available. I SHOULD know to always check the front of the book. But, it's nice to learn new things or be reminded of what we know. You're the best!
The only time that I've really found the mother's surname in the baptism is when she and the father were unmarried. It's always a nice find. I recently found an ancestor who was unmarried and had a child in 1856. He, the father, then died in 1858 (of course this all happened between censuses). Their child ended up with his surname and I was able to trace him in the rest of the records. It seems to depend on which family the child grows up with whether they end up with the mother's or the father's surname. In this case he seems to have lived with his father's family, but the 1861 census for the parish of his father's family isn't online, so I can't check.
That's so interesting. We are dependent upon what the record makers chose to record. With illegitimate children, the parish wanted to hold the father financially responsible, rather than the child and mother becoming dependent on the parish for support. They had a vested interest in finding out the names of the children. The surname situation you mentioned was something I haven't seen often. Thanks for sharing as it gave me something more to consider.
Devon, I must have really bad luck with my ancestors as they all try really hard to hide or confuse me. I fell into a trap where there were too many baptisms for a named couple. The occupation was the same in every record as was abode but it was only looking hard at the date of birth that gave it away as two cousins with the same names had married 2 ladies with the same first name. Births 3 to 6 months apart was the clue that this man and woman weren't a single couple. At first I didn't think it could be 2 couples as the village was very small and the surname is extremely rare (200 or so people alive today worldwide). And this wasn't the only time this happened although the second time (different surname/area) I spotted it sooner as they were census records to show it was 2 families.
Oh, you're kidding me. I know it happens, but seriously? Come on ancestors. Use a little variety in names so I can find you! I hope you still have hair left because this would have made me pull all of mine out.
Re Copy to Clipboard (Chat wouldn't let me send - argh!) yep - if you look on the transcription page, top right, there's a new Copy to Clipboard button...I blogged about it yesterday ... of course, you still need to double-check against the image, but incredibly useful.
British place names can be confusing at times. I was looking for Henry Degg b. 1860 and his place of birth must have been recorded 3 or 4 different ways: parish, rural district, civil district, and possibly just as the county. The parish Ramshorn was even recorded as people said it locally, Ramsor. Apparently it has some significance to Methodist history, and sure enough his vital events were recorded at the Methodist Free Church and Chapel.
I have purchased a number of state atlases which I've found very helpful. The map pages include such features as small back roads, higher elevation landmarks such as hills, mountains or even lower ones such as valleys, coves, hollows, etc. Also waterways down to ponds and creeks. Major highways in cities and most of them have more zoomed in maps of at least downtowns to show the more minor streets there. Wanting to find something similar for UK research but have not received any confirmation such atlases exist. All I can find on Ebay are atlases suitable for traveling. To me a historically helpful UK atlas would show the traditional county boundaries as well as the modern ones, historic sites such as castles and other important buildings of noble families, sites of important battles as well as the same as the American state atlases -- waterways and other landmarks. Has anyone found such an atlas or series of atlases? Or are they all primarily designed simply for motorists getting around? Which can work, but, it's not really what I'm looking for. Thanks so much.
I was familiar with Internet Archive just forgot what it was. However, neither of those are what I mean. I think precisely what I'm wanting is to purchase a Topographical Atlas of England or perhaps of the British Isles or maybe of different regions or traditional counties in different volumes. I have purchased these for various states. I have searched online and am beginning to think that, other than some similar books published in the 1840s, such a thing does not exist. As I said before all of the modern atlases of the UK are primarily road atlases designed for motorists not designed for any genealogical or historical research. Some enterprising cartographers might find a market for a book like that because there seems to be a complete absence of one. I think the American publishers of state atlases and gazetteers find it lucrative to publish and sell them here.
I think I'm probably just an incurable bibliophile especially when it comes to genealogy books or accessory reference books for that (such as atlases, histories, etc.) ;-) I mean I know (got this straight from British genealogists in fact) that Burkes' books are full of inconsistencies, but, even with that I still would love to have a large collection of them one day for my library. Call it a "guilty pleasure" I guess ;-)
Lovely tidbits found in Parish records: Illegitimate, Bastard, Spurious son of, Illbegotten son of Check quarter session records in early 1800s for bastardy orders that name the reputed father Some parishes list mother’s maiden name
Jim, I don't work for Findmypast, I only tell me people how to use various collections. I didn't know that including subscription information was something I should include. I'll take that into account in future videos.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics like many of your audience I am a hobbyist genealogist and have limited (or no) budget for all the extras after the tests themselves. I've tested with 3 companies and uploaded to 4 other sites, I'm constantly coming up against the limits of the 'free' part the often promoted part, of this process. Findmypast is a particular example which allows you to search and work your way to an actual record but as soon as you click to read a transcript of see an image the payment screen is triggered. It seems to be a ploy used by other major players, too. As a guest Ancestry allows me to find a tree of interest but clicking on any part of it triggers the subs page. MyHeritage takes a different approach turning off the message system, which it forces all testers to use to communicate with matches. All the while our tests are the raw material they require to do their thing.
Hi Devin my name is Lisa I'm currently using my brother-in-law's account I have a question about the parish registries and records for reasons of my own determining who someone is in the parish records in England is very hard and I have three or four missing baptismals the question is what would military baptismal records look like are those available
I'm unfamiliar with military baptismal records. Reach out to Jen Baldwin at Findmypast. Perhaps she or her colleagues can better respond to your question.
QOTD: What have you found in UK Parish records? Either on Findmypast or other platforms.
My 7th great-grandfather was actually a parish priest in the 1600s, but the records for his parish haven't [yet] been transcribed. I had to view them on microfiche at my local records office - helpfully only a couple of hundred yards from where I live! For many of his own chindren, he didn't just record the date of birth, but the exact time.
The exact time!?!?! That's above and beyond. What an awesome ancestor.
Parish records are useful for information about the local parish. If you have the time stop and read the introductory pages as they may provide incidental details of your family. For instance I found some information about my wife's TRUNCHION family being vaccinated for pox in the late 1700s...
James... Thanks for that tip. I'm still a newbie to Parish records and didn't know this was available. I SHOULD know to always check the front of the book. But, it's nice to learn new things or be reminded of what we know. You're the best!
I came in late, so missed most of this ... going back to watch the replay... FMP is one of my favourite resources.
No worries. That's why the video is available for replay any time you want. Plus, you can share it with others.
The only time that I've really found the mother's surname in the baptism is when she and the father were unmarried. It's always a nice find. I recently found an ancestor who was unmarried and had a child in 1856. He, the father, then died in 1858 (of course this all happened between censuses). Their child ended up with his surname and I was able to trace him in the rest of the records. It seems to depend on which family the child grows up with whether they end up with the mother's or the father's surname. In this case he seems to have lived with his father's family, but the 1861 census for the parish of his father's family isn't online, so I can't check.
That's so interesting. We are dependent upon what the record makers chose to record. With illegitimate children, the parish wanted to hold the father financially responsible, rather than the child and mother becoming dependent on the parish for support. They had a vested interest in finding out the names of the children. The surname situation you mentioned was something I haven't seen often. Thanks for sharing as it gave me something more to consider.
Devon, I must have really bad luck with my ancestors as they all try really hard to hide or confuse me.
I fell into a trap where there were too many baptisms for a named couple. The occupation was the same in every record as was abode but it was only looking hard at the date of birth that gave it away as two cousins with the same names had married 2 ladies with the same first name. Births 3 to 6 months apart was the clue that this man and woman weren't a single couple. At first I didn't think it could be 2 couples as the village was very small and the surname is extremely rare (200 or so people alive today worldwide).
And this wasn't the only time this happened although the second time (different surname/area) I spotted it sooner as they were census records to show it was 2 families.
Oh, you're kidding me. I know it happens, but seriously? Come on ancestors. Use a little variety in names so I can find you! I hope you still have hair left because this would have made me pull all of mine out.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Some hair still. Just.
Re Copy to Clipboard (Chat wouldn't let me send - argh!)
yep - if you look on the transcription page, top right, there's a new Copy to Clipboard button...I blogged about it yesterday ... of course, you still need to double-check against the image, but incredibly useful.
Put a link to your blog here. That way others can know about this feature.
British place names can be confusing at times. I was looking for Henry Degg b. 1860 and his place of birth must have been recorded 3 or 4 different ways: parish, rural district, civil district, and possibly just as the county.
The parish Ramshorn was even recorded as people said it locally, Ramsor. Apparently it has some significance to Methodist history, and sure enough his vital events were recorded at the Methodist Free Church and Chapel.
I have purchased a number of state atlases which I've found very helpful. The map pages include such features as small back roads, higher elevation landmarks such as hills, mountains or even lower ones such as valleys, coves, hollows, etc. Also waterways down to ponds and creeks. Major highways in cities and most of them have more zoomed in maps of at least downtowns to show the more minor streets there.
Wanting to find something similar for UK research but have not received any confirmation such atlases exist. All I can find on Ebay are atlases suitable for traveling. To me a historically helpful UK atlas would show the traditional county boundaries as well as the modern ones, historic sites such as castles and other important buildings of noble families, sites of important battles as well as the same as the American state atlases -- waterways and other landmarks.
Has anyone found such an atlas or series of atlases? Or are they all primarily designed simply for motorists getting around? Which can work, but, it's not really what I'm looking for. Thanks so much.
Have you tried the David Rumsey collection or the Internet Archive? That's where I start.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I was not familiar with those. I will check those out. Thanks.
I was familiar with Internet Archive just forgot what it was. However, neither of those are what I mean.
I think precisely what I'm wanting is to purchase a Topographical Atlas of England or perhaps of the British Isles or maybe of different regions or traditional counties in different volumes.
I have purchased these for various states. I have searched online and am beginning to think that, other than some similar books published in the 1840s, such a thing does not exist. As I said before all of the modern atlases of the UK are primarily road atlases designed for motorists not designed for any genealogical or historical research.
Some enterprising cartographers might find a market for a book like that because there seems to be a complete absence of one. I think the American publishers of state atlases and gazetteers find it lucrative to publish and sell them here.
I think I'm probably just an incurable bibliophile especially when it comes to genealogy books or accessory reference books for that (such as atlases, histories, etc.) ;-) I mean I know (got this straight from British genealogists in fact) that Burkes' books are full of inconsistencies, but, even with that I still would love to have a large collection of them one day for my library. Call it a "guilty pleasure" I guess ;-)
Here's a name for Andy, UK Professor of Physics and Engineering, Dr William Garnett 1850 to 1932 has a Webpage on Wikipedia.
Awesome. Thanks so much.
Lovely tidbits found in Parish records:
Illegitimate, Bastard, Spurious son of, Illbegotten son of
Check quarter session records in early 1800s for bastardy orders that name the reputed father
Some parishes list mother’s maiden name
Thanks so much for the feedback.
The other one is the "Allegged father XXXXX"
This is just what I need to do.....but I do not have Aus$300 to spare.....no mention is made upfront of subs.
Jim, I don't work for Findmypast, I only tell me people how to use various collections. I didn't know that including subscription information was something I should include. I'll take that into account in future videos.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics like many of your audience I am a hobbyist genealogist and have limited (or no) budget for all the extras after the tests themselves. I've tested with 3 companies and uploaded to 4 other sites, I'm constantly coming up against the limits of the 'free' part the often promoted part, of this process. Findmypast is a particular example which allows you to search and work your way to an actual record but as soon as you click to read a transcript of see an image the payment screen is triggered. It seems to be a ploy used by other major players, too. As a guest Ancestry allows me to find a tree of interest but clicking on any part of it triggers the subs page. MyHeritage takes a different approach turning off the message system, which it forces all testers to use to communicate with matches. All the while our tests are the raw material they require to do their thing.
Hi Devin my name is Lisa I'm currently using my brother-in-law's account I have a question about the parish registries and records for reasons of my own determining who someone is in the parish records in England is very hard and I have three or four missing baptismals the question is what would military baptismal records look like are those available
I'm unfamiliar with military baptismal records. Reach out to Jen Baldwin at Findmypast. Perhaps she or her colleagues can better respond to your question.
If only there was actual HELP!