1: I see what you mean as Disney fans (including myself) are VERY passionate about what they like. However those same people call out Disney’s nonsense when it comes to their politically motivated productions 2: ABSOLUTELY! Ariel is a creation of Disney not Hans Christian Anderson and as such should have stayed how she was originally created. 3: I think “Token” or “DEI/politically motivated” would be a good substitute for “Woke” 4: agreed. I’ll actually go farther than that and say i don’t remember much of that movie 5: 1000%! She’s a horrendous Belle 6: I can get behind that 7: that would be interesting 8: I can get behind that 9: agreed! They absolutely intentionally started a political war (same with LA little mermaid) to boost ticket sells and that’s absolutely disgusting! As for Part 2, BRING IT ON BABY! haha
The vibe I got from Emma Watson's Belle was that she was literally playing the role of Hermione Granger dressed like a Disney Princess. My biggest issues are from the 'Be Our Guest' sequence, where she looked absolutely bored (I mean I get that that sequence was pretty much CGI, but the least she could have done was sell the performance and give the impression that she was enjoying herself). Secondly, when The Beast is eating sloppily, she LITERALLY glares at him, as if she is scolding him. In the animated movie, all she did was gasp a little and then look a little awkwardly away. That's when the Beast got the hint, and that final shot of them raising the porridge bowl was a sign that she was meeting him halfway. However, when Emma did the scene, she looked like she was just doing him a massive favor by stooping down to his level and debasing herself
My unpopular opinion is that Snow White, Cinderella & Aurora are NOT bad role models for girls Snow White remains kind, hopeful & makes do out of a horrible situation. This movie would have mostly been made by vets of WW1, an incredible message of hope in that time Cinderella was abused, lost her parents, and she never lets that define her. She DOES NOT just wait for a man. She is very active in her own movie, its just a shame that 25% of it is hijacked by Tom & Jerry nonsense 😭 also, the prince is great, it wasnt his idea to try the shoe on every girl, it was the King's idea, the advisor thinks its a dumb idea but the king doesn't care who the shoe fits, just that it fits someone, ANYONE, so he can have grandkids As for Aurora 😭😭😭!!! I will defend this girl til the day I die, I swear, everyone who complains about the princesses in these movies have never actually watched them because the narriative around Aurora is that she marries the first guy she meets after only spending like 5 minutes with him and that's it, that's the whole story- NO 😭😭😭😭!!!!! She wanted to get to know him better, just the plot didn't let them. When Aurora left Phillip in the forest, she asked to meet up later that very evening at her cottage in the glen. She would introduce him to her 3 guardians and they could get to know each other better She was HEARTBROKEN that she was already betrothed to someone else, she didn't want to get married right away It was only sheer luck that the guy she met in the forest was the same guy she was betrothed to and that's why she married him so fast and was happily married, she was forced to, and luckily it was the same guy she met that was nice to her also technically everyone slept for 100 years SO THEY DIDN'T GET MARRIED RIGHT AWAY, THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN 😂😂😂
OMG I wanna join your team to defend my girl Aurora. High five!!!! Also I think she's such a responsible woman in her age, she was not willing but tried to fulfill her royal duty😭 She's the one who can prioritize her kingdom.
@@ccdhatr RIGHT!? THE SCENE OF HER CRYING AT THE MIRROR AFTER THE CROWN GETS PUT ON HER AND THE WEIGHT OF BEING IN CHARGE OF A KINGDOM SHE'S NEVER KNOWN AND BEING RIPPED AWAY FROM EVERYTHING SHE'S EVER KNOWN IS POWERFUL She's basically just had it revealed to her that everything she knows is a lie!??? Her moms are not her moms, her home is not her home, she'll never see her room again, her clothes again, her kitchen again, her garden, animal friends, anything. Everything just got ripped Out from underneath her and she has to marry some guy she hasnt met. Also HER PARENTS HAVE BEEN ALIVE THIS WHOLE TIME AND DIDN'T CHECK IN ONCE!!!!!!!!! I can't imagine the weight of THAT 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 She just weeps but like you said, she's mature enough to move forward with this for the kingdom.
She should be a princess because she's based upon a Greek Princess. Her bf being a demigod has little to do with it, she should be even if he was without title.
I love seeing the memes of how Disney was more diverse when they weren’t pressured to be. That is when they gave us brother bear, Aladdin, lilo and stich, the princess and the frog, etc. and they actually created great stories. As soon as they were pressured to be progressive, creators seemed to create stories that they did not love or trust. They just had to appease their bosses.
Don't believe the lies that Ariel's casting was color blind or that they based it on her talent. If they did, then they would have picked an actress who can actually act and not just sing. They absolutely cast Halle Bailey for the sake of race-baiting. Not to mention they made Eric be adopted just so he could stay white. Frankly, it's just racist to cast a non-white actor as a white character. Doing that is implying that black characters need to stand on the shoulders of white characters to succeed. It's also double-standards. I mean, they would never cast David Hyde Pierce as Othello, would they? Or Danny Devito as Blade?
I like how in so many other movies they include many different kinds of people but they don’t make it the central point/ theme of the movie. I think that’s one of the reasons this casting wasn’t a success. This movie everything they did was for the sake of representation, they made the whole thing all about the race of Ariel and how they correcting now the wrong setting and the wrong viewpoint of the original animation that was all about white characters. Like, the “actress” definitely wasn’t chosen for her talent cause literally her acting skills were nonexistent. Really will never understand that suicide choice for the little mermaid.
It wasn't colorblind at all. Halle only had one acting credit under her belt before this role. And it was in a 30 minute TV show where she and her sister would give snappy one liners. She was good but never experienced or talented enough to pull off a major motion picture. I literally told my mom that she was like Kristen Stewart had one facial expression for the whole movie. Her voice is beautiful, but that's not enough to be able to be the face of the movie. They did this specifically to make controversy so they could make money. They didn't do anything with Ariel. She is the only live action princess who didn't get her gorgeous princess dress. The dress they had her in and her engagement dress were both UGLY. Why does Vanessa who is on screen for 5 min have a gorgeous dress while Halle was given that ugly dress. They used Halle to create controversy and to make money but didn't care about showing us anything valuable when making Ariel black which shows me it was a stunt.
Belle is my favorite princess! I really identified with her growing up. She set an example that it was okay to be nerdy, unique, curious, courageous, adventurous and brave while still being a beautiful romantic and kind dreamer who loved her family. She saw past the “ugly and scary “ exterior to the beauty within. She wasn’t afraid to be herself and she was not about to settle. If she didn’t meet the Beast, she probably would have ended up an old maid taking care of her father, reading books or writing them. There was nothing redeemable about the remake. They made a complex beautiful character absolutely insufferable. JoJo, I don’t think your opinions are uncommon ( a lot of us feel the same way) but they do not fit in with the political agenda which makes them unpopular . Love your work! Keep it up!
I’m going to add onto one of your opinions. Yes Ariel should’ve been played by a white girl. I completely agree with that and here’s my add-on snow. White should also be being played by a white girl. Hope you don’t mind my addition and if you already said that, sorry.
At the very least someone light skinned. If they want to pretend they care about representation and inclusivity then they can use someone Norwegian, Icelandic, none Caucasian or even fully delve into it and use an albino. Like how interesting would it be to get a snow white movie with an albino girl? Or someone who was fully affected by vitaligo?
@@TheGrossDemon exactly I completely agree with you, but let’s take the looks out of it for just a minute. Yes they do matter. They do matter a great deal but even worse is this condescending arrogant personality and please don’t tell me you’re one of the ones that buy her fake rehabbed oh I love snow white now image because I don’t and just because she’s being quiet now that’s not gonna last trust me that’s not gonna last she’ll find a way to run her mouth again.
They should have a Disney Heroine line! One that includes amazing female characters that aren’t official princesses. Esmeralda, Jim Hawkin’s freakin mom, Mulan, Jane, Wendy, Alice, Kida ect.
I agree that Ariel should have stayed white, I never related to her because she looks like me physically, I admire her for her passion, I love that she isn't afraid to bring a fresh perspective to over a decade of prejudice and finally dissolving it, I love that for all her passion and quirks, she's still able to be demure and sweet. I have her barbie doll ever since I was 10, with her beautiful pure red hair and blue eyes, and I watched The Little Mermaid as a kid for over 100 times, to the point that I remember every single line in the movie and the way that every single line was said. I don't need the character to look like me physically to love that character, if my preference was set by Disney's logic today, I should love Mulan more, but I didn't. And it was because I never needed the character to look like me when deciding what characters I should love, Disney or whatever else. I agree that Emma shouldn't have been cast as Belle, but I also feel that Disney shouldn't have done live action remake of the animated version in the first place, Emma herself wasn't bad at acting, she had years of experience in acting before she was cast as Belle. But when an experienced actress or actor is being given a bad script, it's nearly impossible to expect that he or she will perform well and it will look like she was only going through the motions because she was given a horrible script to begin with. Disney can't expect a movie to succeed with only great actresses, they also need a great script fit for the actresses, and Disney was lacking in the great script part. The death of Bambi's mother was shown off screen, we heard the gunshot, but we didn't see any blood splatter, that was enough to know that Bambi's mother died. If Bambi's mother didn't die, then we wouldn't have the story of Bambi searching for his father, which means if Disney don't want kids to see that Bambi's mother died and excluded that part, then the second half of the story where he set off to find his father would never exist, even if that exists, it would never make sense as to why he needed to set off and find his father. The reason why he needed to find his father in the book and the animated version was obvious, he lost his mother, who was supposed to be the one by his side until he can live on his own, male deer don't usually join the female to nurse the young, but because Bambi wasn't a grown deer when his mother died, he still needed support, that was why he set off to find his father. It's really interesting to me that other non-Disney adaptations of stories didn't change the characters' race when doing the adaptation while also focusing on good writing of stories succeeded, and their stories are popular, but now Disney is doing the complete opposite of the successful things done by other studios and yet they still expect the audience to pay and watch their dumpster fire.
While it is great to identify with a character we love for their theme or personality who also happens to look similar to the way we do, I agree that it is not entirely necessary. Maybe I'll do a video on it someday, but part of the reason why Black people typically do better with having representation available is because we grow up in a world where we are not seen as the beauty standard. Even though we, too, have been in this country since the very inception of it, we are still seen as second-class citizens. Same with Native Americans. When you are foundational to this land, yet you are not represented equally, it makes you feel like you still kind of don't belong...like you're a plus-one that should be happy just to exist in America. Even though we were born/raised here and our lineage has been in America as well since its creation, some of us have ancestral ties to this land long before the colonizers came. I am actually part Native American in addition to being mostly Black. While I don't particularly see myself in Pocahontas because I wasn't raised culturally as a Native (I was raised in African American culture), I do still feel loosely connected. The advantage of being white is that they never have to look too far for a character that not only has their favorite personality and set of morals and beliefs, but they also get the added benefit of that character being even more like them because of the way their skin looks. So someone can be a kind and oblivious bookworm like Belle, but also, she's white. And then an extra score if the fan also happens to be brunette. We don't have that luxury. We MUST look to the white characters. Let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with pedestalizing a white character that you love because you love them for who they are. MANY characters that I love are white. Yes, I didn't have many options for other races that simultaneously aligned with my interests, but I still gravitate to characters like Cinderella, Belle, Ardyn Izunia, Sorey, Riku/Aqua/Marluxia, and so many others. At a young age, I didn't realize that I internalized whiteness as the "leader". Now that I'm older, I really wish I had more representation available as a kid, especially as a Black male. But I'm not a kid anymore, and I have broken the spell of seeing whiteness as the lead and 'main character' of the world. Whew, sorry that was long lol.
@WondrousJoJo Yeah, I agree it’s natural to want the characters to look like you physically as a bonus, but it’s not entirely necessary, and it would be great if we have more different representation that aren’t forced for the kids. I guess that never occurred to me because I grew up with one of the most popular stories in my culture being mainly about a monkey and not human to begin with. I hope Disney really sees that what they’re doing right now don’t really serve the fans, I once heard a performer said that when you’re on stage, you make choices that’s best for the stage and best for the fans, and I think that making movies is the same in that regard, when making movies, directors and the storytellers need to make decisions that serve all fans. It will take effort to know what fans really want before they’re being steered in the right direction, but it is part of being successful. When fans want fun, new stories, new characters, and they give us boring stories with not as fun characters, it just sucks the fun out of everything.
Girl I was 100% with you until you got to Bambi’s mother’s death… it is 100% ILLEGAL to hunt and kill a breeding doe! It’s even more egregious because she had a fawn near by which illegal, you are only supposed to hunt male deers, bucks! So even if you don’t feel bad it wasn’t even LEGAL for him to do which is the saddest part of it all!
That depends on the area you live in. You can buy doe tags. But deer hunting season is usually in the fall and it did appear that the hunter in Bambi was hunting out of season making it illegal.
The thing with Bambi is that we have to consider that It came out in 1942. A very different time period than the now in all aspects. Before Bambi there was this unspoken emotional 'distance' between humans and animals to a point. We barely considered animals to be on a level of relatability same as ours because ... well they aren't human. As you stated, deer and other prey animals are hunted down all the time. Happened back then too, and people didn't really batch an eye because they knew it happened. We also need to take into account that Bambi was one of the first animated movies Disney produced, the 6th to be precise. Therefore we had never before experienced the death of a parent character in animation before. Yes, Bambis mom is the first disney parent to be killed off. That already is quite the feat and explaining why it was such a shock. But the main thing here is that the relationship between Bambi and his mom is portrayed so warm, cozy and wonderfull. They talk, anthropomorphing then and easier to relate to, while still behaving like deer. They even fake us out the first time the hunters approach the herd of deer and Bambi, his dad and his mother escape. Then the 2nd time comes, and this time they are less lucky. Out of the complete blue, Bambi's mom disappears out of frame and an ear piercing gunshot is heard. This is exactly what shocked people to the core. It was the unexpected. We knew this happens all the time, but this time we actually got to see it. And when you see it, it's a whole different thing. People were so torn apart by her death that an interest in animal rights sparked from it.
Thank you for sharing your very valid opinions. I agree with Ariel but any time I mention anything as a white woman, I get the racist card thrown at me. I hate the idea of hunting especially deer so I do get upset at all of it. HOWEVER the saddest parent death to me by far is Littlefoot’s mother from The Land Before Time. Thank you for continuing to call out Emma Watson. I hated her as Belle in all ways. Mulan is a badass but not a princess. She’s a Heroine. I think Megara has more valid status as a “princess” by being with a Demi-God same as Eilonwy and Kida. Love Jane too! Queen of the Jungle!
Lol, that is a pretty spicy take, yes. The issue would be that their race actually plays a crucial part in who they are and their story. Tiana experiences racism and sexism as a black woman. She also had to ride in the back of the bus during the Jim Crow era, and the music she sings is literally drenched in black culture, lol. You literally CANNOT change her to white because a white woman would not have gone through those trials and tribulations. For Moana, indigenous white islanders were not a thing until colonization. And even then, they weren't indigenous. If you change them to white, that would literally make no sense. The Ancient Polynesian culture is so strong in that movie that a white presence in that film just wouldn't make sense. Jasmine...is a slightly different story. The stories her movie was based on were written in Arabic. Her ethnicity is all over the place. Some say Chinese, Disney makes her Arab/Muslim... who really knows. If you look to a world map for "the middle east", those aren't really places where white people are indigenous. It's like Northern Africa and then over the Red Sea, and then China is farther off. Those people are typically more brown-skinned. Plus, people already were upset that they cast a lighter-skinned woman to be Jasmine. So, yeah, people would be very upset... but rightfully so. At least with Ariel, her race has nothing to do with the story or culture. The ocean kingdom is fictional and has no human race/ethnicity attached to it. So, it really isn't the same as changing Tiana, Jasmine, or Moana to white. I believe Disney should just keep everyone as they are and focus on new material that we can all love.
@@WondrousJoJo exactly this was very well said. Disney race swopped to pander & get the internet talking. I’m all for diversity and seeing new black characters. Ariel was introduced to us as a white girl so it was just bizzare that they switched her race. But whatever, no matter how many times I try to explain this they still don’t understand where I’m coming from lol
i absolutely hate when y'all play dumb and say ridiculous things like that because the story takes place way in the past about very specific cultures in a very specific time period. please stop playing dumb. why would a blonde haired blued eyed women be the sultans daughter in historic middle east while the story that has nothing to do being invaded? what white culture has tigers representing their country or has those outfits they have and etc? like come on. your being disingenuous now. you don't have a valid argument until disney makes a story about white peoples culture in a specific time period with white specific stories. like brave. that is very specific to historic white irish culture. the issue is MOST of the time when white people are main characters they just tell human stories. meaning that it has nothing to do with culture or tradition. so they can be easily swapped out with anybody from anywhere. but when they tell stories about minorities they specifically make it about their culture and traditions. but i don't understand why y'all pretend to not acknowledge this. i absolutely hate it when people play dumb. it bugs me to no end.
@@phillinsogood there have been plenty of minority characters race swapped to white and they never got this much hate so please stop the cap. avatar the last airbender is one prime example. people weren't happy they made all the lead characters white, well all white except for the bad guys. but no one spend years harassing those white kids telling then to kill themselves and saying racist things and making racist memes and such. and fyi, i watched ALL of the yt videos of people roasting that horrible airbender movie. and the vast majority of the videos was roasting the actual movie not the people. they got over the race swapping because it wasn't the actors fault and you just gotta live with it and move on. but y'all will NEVER keep the same energy when the roles were reversed. I hate to break it to you but a minority playing a traditionally white character IS THE WHAT IF. not the other way around. A book I LOVED called samarai girl was made into a tv movie and most of the characters were asian and guess what they did, only the main character was asian. they race swapped everyone to white. which was weird cuz them being asian was actually important to the story. i.e. the title explains it all. and people were mad but we got over it because they already made the movie and we roasted the hell out of the actual show. and there has been shows and movies with race swapping but it turned out to actually be good but people just didn't wanna admit being the hate in their hearts wouldn't let them. now i'm done ranting.
@ShantesTravelThings Nice job! I like your point about how many white-dominated tales are typically just normal stories that aren't engrossed in a solid traditionally white culture like The Little Mermaid or Cinderella. Also, that was an awesome example with Brave! If Merida was changed to any other race, that would be disrespectful.
Speaking of, I rarely use my account. Maybe I should so that any of my subscribers who want to share posts with me or give me topic ideas can share tweets with me. Hmm....
My problem with so much of the “representation“ nowadays is that is just so shallow. They’ll change the race of a character or label them as LGBT, but there’s no depth to their personality or experience otherwise. And I think the focus so much on the “identity“ of a character as a means of representation overlooks the fact that you can identify with a character for other reasons like their personality, experiences, habits, traits, etc. For example, I’m a person of color, but I always loved and identified with Belle because she loved to read just as much as I did, I even grew up to be a librarian, lol.
i'm confused on what you mean. if they change the race or sexuality of the character but kept that characters personality traits and you still hated it, then that mean you believe the original character also has no depths or personality. because all they changed was who they liked or the color of their skin but everything else stayed exactly the same. what you really meant to say is you do not like the race swapping and am big mad about it and you wish they for some strange reason talked about race in a retelling that originally had nothing to do with race. but the catch is if they actually did that, you would be mad they put race into a story that originally race didn't matter. which means the race swapping also doesn't matter to the story. 😅 lol thats a full circle.
@@ShantesTravelThings I’m not “big mad” about race swapping and never said I hated the character. Like the creator of the video responded to my comment, I agree that the race swapping is often disingenuous and a cash grab because they know many people go for that sort of thing. I actually think Halle did a good job, but can also acknowledge that Disney is trying hard to seem progressive, which comes off as performative since the only reason behind it is profit.
I’m gonna give my own unpopular Disney opinion these actresses especially the ones that played Ariel and are going to place Snow White. They knew good and damn well that they weren’t right for these rules but they took them anyway why so they could turn around and play victim when people call them out on their crap.
So as far as Bambi’s mom goes its sad because the animation anthropomorphized the animals. In real life nature is brutal and most animals don’t really have a concept of family/grieving death in the same way humans do. So loosing a mom is sad for people. For most animals loosing a mom isn’t so much “oh I am so sad about this” as it is “well… Im screwed. Wonder who’s adopting”. The animation just makes it easier to project our human feelings onto the characters.
In regards to Mulan, I've seen Chinese historical fantasies that were actually made in China where the Emperor has appointed the title of princess to women who have no ties to royalty. I've even seen some declare them as adopted daughters. I know the movie didn't actually do that, but, given how she was acknowledged, it's kind of interesting.
Okay so let’s get into the whole race swapping..I personally am not against race swapping but her being black literally felt like something they did for shock value rather than to be progressive I get your perspective but I wish they would have kept her interesting…I think Halle is beautiful and a amazing singer but her charisma dose not shine through as Ariel…..for example Annabeth Chase played by Leah Jeffries in the Live action Tv Show-Percy Jackson is a great casting because she brings the character to life and has great chemistry with the cast. I think it’s less about Halle’s race and more about her acting ability. If she were a better actor she could have sold us on Ariel but she simply didn’t…also the iconic red hair would have helped as well. Like so many people were upset about Leah being cast but every single character looks differently than there book counterpart..meanwhile in the little mermaid every single character looks like the cartoon counterpart EXCEPT Ariel and I that is a big problem…if your going to change appearances do it across the board not just for shock value/publicity stunt as you said…also Bridgerton does this as well bc they swap out a lot of characters for example the Queen, The Duke and many others and you see how successful and beloved that show is…in my opinion if the race swapping happens it has to be a majority of characters if not all..to be successful because than it’s viewed as its own thing and not just one character done for headlines. Also Disney gave us great LGBTQ representation in Strange World. I loved how the son was gay and no one in the movie made a big fuss not even grandad! That’s good representation and will make young people feel safe coming out to their elderly in the future. And I loved the way they did it! I think representation is important. But Ariel felt forced and I didn’t like it. Also I love Tiana! ❤ Great Take!
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I will defend Lefou (live action) because of how they developed his character. He wasn’t an idiot like the original. He had a conscience and I loved how they added “I see there is a beast. That is no question, but I feel the wrong one has been released” regarding Gaston. I think that is huge to see in a live action. Seeing how Lefou idolized this man, but as he gradually pulled back the layers and saw how awful he was went against him. As for representation, I am glad they did not make Lefou a one note goofy sidekick like the original movie did. But they shouldn’t have it hyped like they did. For continuing this subject, Artie from Cruella, people were discussing him being on the “Disney’s first gay character” tier list. Unpopular opinion, I loved his character. I like how the actor played him and I liked how Cruella picked people she can identify with and trust to be on her team. I felt Artie bought charm and humor to the film and his character and I smile every time he showed up on screen.
I think it’s simply because Elionwey and Kida just don’t sell well with kids. If you go back into the princess line up Esmeralda, Tinkerbell, and Megara Were all featured along the girls who made the cut today. Over time they were removed- Tinkerbells reason was because she got her own series in the form of “Disney’s Fairies” while Esmeralda and Megara don’t have an explanation but it’d be safe to assume they just weren’t as popular. The Princess line up isn’t picked based on anything related to their actual title as royalty but rather based on who fits a certain criteria, we still don’t know exactly if it’s sales or not but there has to be a reason for some characters to make the cut and for some to not. It would be nice to see the actual princesses featured alongside each other but the title Princess doesn’t really mean anything in the brand. Disney also made a statement at some point saying Mulan counted because she preformed “an act of heroism/bravery” which is a lazy justification since again Esmeralda exists. The statement was made in some 2021 Disney Princess thing for “Princess Week”
Really? This was 2021?? And I agree, that's a super lazy explanation for Mulan. If all it takes is for a female to be brave or heroic; Asha united all of Rosas. Esmeralda helped to liberate her people. Megara DIED for the man she loved even after having experienced past trauma with men. Tinkerbell nearly died, saving Peter Pan from a bomb. I think Disney needs to make specific criteria for what a DP is because if not, they'll upset or confuse so many fans who love some of their best female characters that may seem like they fit the unofficial criteria.
@@WondrousJoJo unfortunately I doubt Disney would ever do it. The line up is made to primarily sell toys, in its own way it’s a genius marketing strategy by selling newer princesses alongside older ones so kids who like Moana would want Snow White too since she’s being sold alongside her. From a more critical standpoint the lineup has never really made much sense, the whole brand was made from the idea of selling costumes. I am curious since Disney has Been pushing out some new dolls of characters like Esmeralda, Megara, Wendy, Alice, and Tinkerbell again that it could mean they’re testing the waters with them once more. I feel like the line up could use some more variety with characters like Kida but I would really like to see Sally from the nightmare before Christmas since she does get with “the pumpkin king”. Monster High is a large doll brand so I wonder why Sally was never marketed in toys as much. The criteria that exists has to be based on something to do with audience appeal, I would assume that maybe the characters had stuff planned but got cut because kids weren’t drawn to them in play testing or something like that
I didn't know that Disney has released newer dolls from the older movies like Meg and Esmeralda! I'm curious to see what they look like. I'll look them up. I'd like to see Kida and Alice brought back, too. Especially Kida. I'm not the biggest fan of Atlantis: The Lost Empire, but I do like their depiction of the Atlanteans as people of color because I feel like that's most accurate. Historically, media loves making Atlantis and Atlanteans all white, which just doesn't really make sense. Anyway, we'll see where Disney wants to go with this in the future.
Yeah no, Mulan counts because she was actually the central character to the movie she was being featured in. Hell, her name was the title. Esmeralda was not the central character of the movie she was in, Quasimodo was. Same with Meg - Hercules was the central character, not Meg. It's not lazy to show a female character that was the center point of her actual movie. That's one of the few sensical decisions Disney has made. I also don't think Esmeralda's acts were on the same level as a woman like Mulan who defied the very limits of what was even possible at the time. A little insane it's being dismissed like this in the comments.
@@WondrousJoJo the official, unofficial rules to be a disney princess 1) must play a central role in a Disney or Pixar film and must not be introduced in a sequel. 2) Must be royal by birth or marriage/Do a heroic deed(Mulan) 3) Must be human/human-looking(Ariel) 4) Film must neither be a flop(Eilonwy/Kida) nor an absolute hit (Ana/Elsa: Frozen was made into their own thing)
Pretty much agree with everything, especialy in the exploitation. It's one thing to recast a character when you are doing a retelling or a remake of a film that hasn't aged well, but the OG Little Mermaid still is a great pice of cinema to this day. So live action Ariel is still the same Ariel but worst because the movie is worst, largly because they butchered the main character I disagree on the Diseny Princess definition however. By now I have accepted that Diseny Princess it's just a marketing name and they'll shove everyone in there as long as they know it will make them money. Case and point after Pochaontas' movie started to be viewed negativly, she started to be excluded in the main line-up. They still give her dolls and stuff but when it comes to "Generic Pretty Pink things to slap a princess' face on top" she is always excluded. Which I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing... because if on one hand that film didn't age well in the rappresentation department, I feel it's not as bad as peopole make it out to be since at the end of the day it still sends a good message (aka COLLONIALISM IS *BAD*) even if it stumbles more than a bit along the way. Guess it's a matter of personal sensitivity...
I agreed with all of this! Emma Watson was a bad Belle and Ariel was all around a bad remake. Bambi was only sad because the deer were humanized - speaking, living in a family unit, crying. Irl people have a harder time relating to animals because they don't behave like us. Regarding the word "woke" it has evolved so much I dont think it can be used in its original context again. The swastika used to be an indian religious icon but no one would ever use it that way because it's now so heavily associated with nazism. There's so many other words like "hot" as attractive not a physical sensation or "drag" as an insult that are not being used as originally intended. You can't close pandoras box.
Hi JoJo. I agree with most of the stuff that you said in the video, especially that Emma Watson shouldn't of been casted to play Belle. Her acting wasn't that good. It felt like she was just going through the motions in some scenes. Like during the Be Our Guest song in Beast's castle, she didn't look delighted or happy to be their guest when the original Belle would of been.
Hi! Yes, thank you for understanding where I'm coming from with that topic. I should have used the cards in the video so that people can watch my other videos that were mentioned, like my Beauty and the Beast Remake video. Maybe I'll go back and do that.
...but, but, I do cry for deer. I don't like that they're hunted🥺 Also, it was sad for me when his mom died. I did cry, and made me love my mom more I didn't fully understand the concept of death yet when I first watched it. So it was scary for me. (I'm not watching the remake, hate them all)
Agree with so many points! I missed you and really enjoyed the recent Cinderella video! Some of my thoughts; Disney adults can be loco. The Little Mermaid- I was pro-Hailey initially when I heard her sing in the trailer and saw all the racist comments/memes online. But really I now agree they should've cast a white young lady since the movie was based on the animated version. I saw Bambi when I was like 3-4 years old, so it was pretty sad to me. Dumbo was worse though. I refused to watch the live-action Beauty and The Beast primarily because I hated the casting of Emma Watson. Alba Baptista would have been PERFECT for the role.
The thing for Mulan and Kida (Fav princess AND voiced by Cree❤) is that you have to remember disney is a corporation and money is what's important. Mulan made money, Atlantis didn't make enough to push Kida merch. Movie didn't do well so "kids won't want to buy her". (Aurora is my fav princess in the line tho. All the animals and I loved her voice. Her whole life was fake...thats tough, she suddenly burdened with huge responsibilities. Also they pushed cuz there wasnt a lot of princesses at the time 🫤)
Mulan was actually the central character of her movie, much like Ariel and Belle. Kida was not, she was a supporting character to the main character Milo. So it's not accurate to compare Mulan to Kida in the context of what Disney chooses to advertise.
@@twocanplay7976 And yet disney didn't feel the need to push merch of Kida since "nobody" saw her and there wasn't "a demand for her". I remember more merch for Nala and Megara two supporting characters to the main character to movie successes. I would've loved a doll of her as a child. I had a Meg doll and few toys(?) and other merch of her and Nala toys. Do not remember having anything of Kida, or Atlantis either. Jus like Treasure Planet, merch was not pushed, disney didn't care to push merch and they let it fail. (Also Jasmine is a supporting character but she's in the princess line up)
I feel that now woke is basically associated with pandering if you think about it. I think you were on the right track with saying its politically motivated. Its used when a character is inserted or changed to check boxes in this context
Just like they ruined the term "Karen". Anyone out here can be a "Karen" now. They drastically muddied the meaning of what an actual Karen is and does. True Karens are very dangerous women in society... not just some mean and entitled punks.
So the Princess Line initially thought of and was started back in Dec. 1999 coming out unofficially in 2000 I believe 🤔(someone correct me if I'm wrong) "Standing in line in the arena [of a Disney on Ice show], I was surrounded by little girls dressed head to toe as princesses...They weren't even Disney products. They were generic princess products they'd appended to a Halloween costume. And the light bulb went off. Clearly, there was latent demand here. So the next morning I said to my team, "O.K., let's establish standards and a color palette and talk to licensees and get as much product out there as we possibly can that allows these girls to do what they're doing anyway: projecting themselves into the characters from the classic movies." -Mooney, on his creation of the Disney Princess franchise as reported by The New York Times. Gotta make that money 🤑 (Also believe that this is when Cinderella dress turned blue. Thanks a lot Mooney😑) The official, unofficial Rules to be a disney princess 1) must play a central role in a Disney or Pixar film and must not be introduced in a sequel. 2) Must be royal by birth or marriage/Do a heroic deed(Mulan) 3) Must be human/human-looking(Ariel, to bad Nala) 4) Film must neither be a flop(Eilonwy/Kida) nor an absolute hit (Ana/Elsa: frozen is its own thing)
You actually taught me a little somethin'-somethin'. I didn't know about this history of how the princess line came to be. Thank you! And if Mooney is responsible for Cinderella's dress color change, then: 👹!!
@@WondrousJoJo oh, heh😅 I've heard bout this years back and the criteria. It's jus been a while so I can't remember where everything is, 😬 like I have no proof on the dress, but I swear I read somewhere that they didn't want it to be white/silver because it looked too much like a wedding dress and they...didn't wanna give that to little girls...the heck?! I guess. 🤨 Was wondering why Ana and Elsa weren't, turns out that they are worth more alone. I think that's when I found out about the official-unofficial rules...about 2014?
The king has returned! Yassss! So I’m going to spend most of this comment talking about official Disney princesses since that’s the thing that interests me. I haven’t uploaded a video in so so long but I did make one on MY list of what should be considered Disney princesses. By definition a princess is a daughter of a king/queen or married to a royal like prince/king. And with that comes so many what ifs and situations. Do we count sequels? If so then Ariel is now a Disney QUEEN, not a princess and her daughter takes over the spot. If we don’t count sequels then certain characters who fill in representative qualities don’t get to shine, like the three princesses from Mulan 2. So let’s pretend to make this easy that the sequels just don’t exist, the list should have: Snow White, Cinderella, TigerLily, Aurora, Faline, Maid Marion(big maybe), Eilonwy, Ariel and all her sisters, Atta(if Merida counts even though she’s Pixar then bugs life characters count too!), Tiana, Rapunzel, Sofia, Elena, Anna(sort of), Merida, and Raya. Now you might have noticed a few characters cut out or missing or not named that’s because I don’t count queens, and for this no sequels(though I did in my list), and strictly kept it to royal not royal-like or daughters of chiefs. Which makes you confused as to why I excluded Pocahontas and Moana but not Tigerlily that is because Tigerlily is referred to as a princess by her own people. In the movies for Pocahontas and Moana they specifically go out of their way to not use the phrase princess, in fact Moana denies it. There is no “same difference” it is very different. They only added Pocahontas and Moana for the same reason they added Mulan, for diversity points. I also do something no one else does and count animals or human-like animals. Maid Marion is the only one who I would say may or may not be because she’s the niece of a king so she’s royal but idk what she is. Anna becomes a queen in the sequel thus the asterisk of sort of, Frozen is it’s own monster not attached to the princess line. What Disney should do with the ones deemed not good enough, the outcasts if you will, is make a Heroines line up. The boxes can be purple to offset the pink of princess and they can make accompanying blue boxes for Disney Heroes/princes which was actually something they planned on doing if Disney fairies was well received. It kind of lost its momentum and didn’t make buckets of money so they didn’t keep it around even though the fandom thrives to this day. On the subject of gay pandering, LGBT member here ✋🏾 representing the very much misunderstood B, and I’ve always abhorred Lefou in general, he’s a total Fop Flop. Which means he’s a failure at being any representation for queer or gay people, the best he can be is overtly overly queer to the point of mockery. He’s one step away from doing the limp wrist thing. Flamboyancy is only one subsect of queerness, but has often been used to make fun of us as if we are all flaming Elton John gay when some of us are understated but still loud and proud. It was insulting on many levels and if I can find time I will make a video on it! Thanks again for your passion and fire, it drives people like me who create and the others who just love you for you love you even more! Ignore the haters and keep on being you! We stan you, King. ❤️ 👑
Thank you!!! It's really an honor to have a community of people who are kind, understanding, and respectful. If I truly inspire others through my own inspired expressions, then that makes me feel like an awesome content creator. I appreciate the love and support. And you, specifically, show up to every video! Haha, thank you! While reading, I was like, "Who TF is Faline?" LOL. I looked that name up and was like "Oh...she has an official name" 😂. I always called her "that girl deer from Bambi," lol!! I know that's bad, but I never knew she had a name. I've only ever watched Bambi like once, maybe twice. I'm not sure if adding animals to the line would be very marketable for Disney. I doubt girls would choose Nala or Faline over a melodic mermaid with long red hair or a princess with bodacious curls with a dress that can be either blue or pink. Plus, I'm not sure how parents would feel about their daughters emulating and dressing up as animals, haha. I'm not saying kids wouldn't or don't also enjoy the animal characters, but I feel like most people aren't aspiring to be like them when they grow up. Maybe their character and morals, yes. I just feel like human characters are the most relatable because they're in the same form that we are in while experiencing whatever they're going through. I love the character Nuka from the 2nd Lion King, and I cried when he died. I could totally relate to him as a character. BUT, he isn't as close to my heart as he could be if he were human. In fact, I hadn't thought about him for a very long time until I started responding to your comment. Though, I never wanted to BE like Nuka... I just related to him. Speaking of all of this, I do think Disney should have made a line for boys as well. If they had, it wouldn't have taken until Aladdin to get a main human male animated character that was of reasonable depth and substance. Prior to Aladdin, the men were...well...bland. They had 0 personality and were just used as an end goal for the princess. People try to criticize how men did all the work and women were just damsels....but that isn't the whole story. Men were lacking as well and served no real meaningful purpose most of the time other than being another check-off on her list. But now, we have better examples. Other than Aladdin, we have Tarzan (can be seen as a wildlife activist and conservator), and I guess Milo can kind of fall into that as well, and he's a geeky/nerdy Explorer who never gave up on his dreams, even when everyone thought he was wasting his time. Eugene/Flynn is kind of weak, IMO, but he does show that it's better to be an honest person with integrity instead of a shady and vain thief. Kuzco learns to care about other people other than himself and to stop being such a narcissist. Naveen learns to actually love and settle down and control his partying and opulent ways. And of course, there are many other examples! And finally, I think they should have left LeFou the same. The change was stupid and left everyone confused. They should have just saved their "debut" for Strange World instead. The representation was much more meaningful.
It’s not about people trying to “justify” Mulan’s inclusion in the Disney Princess lineup, it’s the fact that Disney themselves consider Mulan to be a “Disney Princess”…so officially, by definition, she is one.
If there are no concrete rules, qualifications, or guidelines on what that means, then the title "Princess" doesn't really mean anything. It would just be a fancy and arbitrary title.
@@WondrousJoJo There have NEVER been any rules, qualifications, guidelines etc…just whichever characters Disney decides to include in their official lineup, and Mulan is one of them. Go look up dolls, clothes or any other kind of merchandise of Mulan, almost all of it will have “Disney Princess” on the box/packaging. She’s been included in the lineup since the early 2000’s, there is so much evidence of it.
I agree with you on the term woke. People are overusing it to the point it making it a meaningless buzzword. Which is a shame because there are some solid criticisms of "that" type of material. But when you start using that word it makes it harder to get across the REAL issue because the meaning is lost. It's a placeholder/filler word that leaves people unable to articulate the real problems at hand.
I love hearing your “unpopular opinions”. I think one of the worst tragedies of the 2020s is how the majority people today have lost the ability to debate, and do solid research support their opinions with facts. The Information Age is so lazy. It’s all about who has the “best” or “right” opinions. Reasoning is emotional, not logical. Everyone is in competition, and unpopular opinions become the match to start of bonfire or arguing and flaming, not debating. I’m guilty of it myself. I have my favs, and I want my favs and my opinions to be right 24/7. And that’s just impossible. It’s frankly arrogant. And it makes it hard to listen to other people’s opinions and engage with different possibilities. Works of art become good/bad and best/worst instead of the multi-faceted philosophical crafted works they are. Everything needs to have an agenda (mostly commercial), and that’s pretty exhausting. I think Disney of old was better in touch with the spirit of creativity, exploration, and storytelling. Disney today is a factory of commercialism. It lost its heart. Not everything, but most of the things I see coming from them now. Earlier Disney and renaissance Disney were more experimental, joyful, and filled with pathos. Characters weren’t afraid to fall in love, and even though love and romantic love isn’t everything, I’d rather see a story about love (romantic, familial, platonic, and national) than about a character who takes over the world and becomes the best of the best of the best. That’s me. As a Disney Adult. I miss the romance (poetic sense) of Disney, and I believe words matter. Thanks for explaining the origins of “woke” btw. I had no idea.
In my opinion I felt there were two other disney characters worthy of being a princess yet they were not chosen, Nala and Megara. Nala was a strong character, she left the pride lands searching for food or help to save her family and friends from Scar's poor leadership. She called Simba out on his attitude and tried to get him to come home, she stood by him in the hyena attack, was a great character yet all because she was an animal she wasn't a disney princess and I felt that was unfair. As for Meg, she was a relatable character, sassy, yet fun she saved Hercules and helped him become a god again, yet for some reason she wasn't a princess. Hear me out Zeus is known as King of the Gods, Hercules is his son, so technically Hercules would be considered royalty, Meg gets with Hercules so in my opinion that makes her a princess, yet sadly she didn't get the title. As for the Bambi thing, I think people cry in the movie because we gave "human" characteristics to an animal. Bambi talks, he learns about the world has friends he cares for, what started off as a normal day for him, resulted in his mother's death, it's like a human child living with their single parent only for that parent to be taken away by something the child doesn't understand, being raised by someone they never met. In reality however we view other deer as food, we have to kill them to sadly survive, which is why i think when someone shoots a deer they don't cry or care because that is life, they shoot the deer to survive. As for the Ariel casting, in the book the original little mermaid was blonde, I heard they gave Ariel red hair to stand out better. I personally don't care about remakes so I don't really have an opinion on the casting choice, my critique is if the person can play the character I remember as accurately as they can (this includes singing) So the actress playing Ariel was okay her voice was amazing the clips I saw her play as Ariel was okay so she did okay, Emma Watson just failed at playing Belle in every way, I could literally do many videos on why i dislike the live action beauty and the beast so I am just going to say Emma Watson should not have been given the role, she did a poor job. That's all I have to say so keep up the good work.
I think there's a strong case that can be argued about Meg being a legit Disney Princess. Nala... I mean... she is a queen, yes...and I guess maybe a princess if she is secretly Mufasas daughter (but covered up for younger audiences who wouldn't understand the animal world in relation to humans/monogamy). The thing is... she isn't really all that marketable as an animal. She doesn't wear clothes and doesn't have human characteristics like a hairstyle/color. I don't think people want to emulate a talking lion. That's not to say that she isn't a good example because she actually is. I personally liked how her character was adventurous and bold, and she had just as much spirit and spunk as Simba as a female character, and I LOVED that! That may have been in part because young Nala was voiced by a black girl, lol. As for Bambi, yeah, he was definitely humanized. I'm sure that did play a huge part in it.
I never heard the word “woke” used in its intended porpoise. It just turned into something similar but more exaggerated. And I think it’s fine to use it that way. People understand it.
People have taken a word with specific meaningful and cultural context and turned it into something else entirely. That reduces the meaning and importance of the word, and what's worse, it has a negative connotation now. The word is supposed to describe a state of awareness and vigilance, especially in terms of the "isms" that black people face. It's a very applicable and relevant word for the Black experience. This is just like the term "Karen". It was also a black term that meant a white woman who knows her power in society and used it to cause intentional harm or death to BIPOC people. America took it and watered it so far down that now people just think it's an entitled or mean woman.
Agreed with everything you said, especially the choice for casting Emma Watson as Belle, and that Mulan isn't technically a princess. I mean she does get a lot of cover and attention, so the fact that she's not a princess is very small in the grand scheme of things. The AI images though 😭 I'm sorry but I had to say it, they look SO bad in an otherwise great video 😭
Lol, it's ok to say that. It was my first time using it, and I wanted to see if it could help. When it came to images of "crazy Disney fans," that is a very difficult image to find in nature. Most people argue over their phones and computers and on social media, so obtaining an image to reflect that is difficult, if not impossible. Same with 'anti-wokers'... how do you find a picture of that?? Like, what exactly does that look like? 😄😅 I will admit, though, the fawn picture was probably unnecessary. I should have just used a picture of Bambi himself. I don't know why I didn't...I really have no clue why.
@@WondrousJoJo Haha, I get it, personally I find it very relatable when someone uses a stock photo with the watermark still on it, but that's just me 😂
10:51 IRL, deer are not anthropomorphic. It really is that simple. We as humans emotionally connect to other humans and are only able to connect to animals when we make parts of them human in our minds. We see human personality traits in dogs, cats, birds, fish, goats, cows, horses, and so on and all have a common characteristic: humans changed them to be useful to or part of human society via domestication. Deer are just things to us because they're outsiders, so most feel nothing about them. On the princess thing, Disney designates certain girls as princess and certain girls as not, and I don't care. I personally exclude Pocahontas from the lineup for a special case: she is a real person, and the real person was 13 when she would have met a, like, 30-year-old John Smith. Because it would have been so squick IRL, I don't bundle Pocahontas into the princess lineup even though as the daughter of the leader of a nation, she would be a princess in the literal sense. The other ones you mention (which for me include Mulan), I would include.
For Belle and Emma Watson, 100% agree. She comes off so Hermoine Granger. I also feel like its a self insert type of situation. Watson wanted to add more of HERSELF to Belle. She didnt really want to embody the Belle from the original. Disney should have went with an actress who was a stronger singer than Watson. The songs in Beauty and the Beast are part of what make the movie beautiful. I absolutely hated her singing, it felt fake af. They should have found a broadway or broadway quality singer. Overall, I think Watson called Disney and wanted the role really bad. They just gave in because of who she was. Just my opinion.
I don’t agree with the Belle take because they didn’t give Emma much to work with when it came to the script…like the lines were bad and I think that is because the movie has very little exposition between belle and beast when she gets to the castle in the og movie…the girl literally was talking to cups and furniture because the beast wouldn’t talk to her until about half way through the movie lol
In regards to Bambi, you can still feel sympathy for an animal even though it's regularly killed. As a child, I really didnt know jack about hunting and didnt know anyone who hunted. Most people's first time viewing Bambi was as a child and its sad to see animals die ss a child.
You have the best take on the term "woke" and the lack of conversation about subjects. If you don't see it the way the other side wants, you are dismissed or labeled whatever. I disagree about Bambi. It is more a symbol of loss of innocence than hunting. At least that is why I love it ❤. Keep on speaking your thoughts and by gum be a dork. You always shine
I stumbled over your Video and I must say: THANK YOU! I agree 100%. It sucks so mich how other "Wannabe hardcore Disney Fans" treat others who say Ariel should have been white in the Live Action movie. Me Included. And I am white so I got called racist. So I have wished, if they NEED a black mermaid, why not Using the original material, with the tragic ending and giving her another Name like Serena or so. This Movie could have been so great. Maybe they could use the original songs in another context and put new with them. It would have been not so much out of place as they did. And for Emma Whatson. Another thing that bothered me except for her playing Hermine again as Belle. She Can't sing!!! Paige O Hara was a Broadway Performer, as she recorded Belle. I guess same goes for Jodie Benson. I mean well Emma sounded better as her german dub, but it could be better for a Musical. This is what I hate as a Musical Fan. They Cast people who can't sing in EVERY Musical Movie they Produced in the last 20 Years. So this Comment got longer then I Intended, but well, Thanks for this Video ❤❤❤
You're very welcome! 💜 I personally don't think I would want to see our first official Black mermaid die and turn into seafoam, lol. That's depressing, especially for a Disney film. I don't want the Black mermaid to go through a story of torture with no happy ending. That's just cruel. 😂 I personally would LOVE a story about a mermaid who is, in her own natural right, an ocean activist. She tries to save the ocean and her sea neighbors (whales, fish, all sorts of sea life) from dying or going extinct in the future due to human destruction, over-fishing, and pollution. Maybe she can fall in love with a human conservator who is also passionate about saving the ocean. Together, they operate in their own respective worlds to help turn the tides of human destruction. Sidenote: The picture of Skitty is cute, lol. Gen 3 is my favorite generation!
@@WondrousJoJo oh thats a even better Idea! 😁 And for your Sidenote: i have this pic because I Love Gatomon/Tailmon. For Pokemon I love the 2. Generation more, my Favorite Pokemon of them all is Lugia 😁 Sidenote: I love your Sailor Moon Figurines in the background 🥰
@rebeccaschneider5223 Lugia is amazing and one of my favorite legendaries! My favorite Pokémon of all time has been Alakazam since the 3rd grade! I had to have one in my party in every generation I played! And thank you!! It has been DECADES since I watched Sailor Moon, but I do have almost the entire series on Blu-ray and DVD, and one day, I will rewatch the entire thing! 😁
I suppose some people might find the tragic ending problematic, especially if she is meant to be a source of inspiration and fun for little Black girls---or any little girls, really. Kids, especially young ones, tend to hate sad movies, even if adults find them interesting. If we're talking originality here, I honestly like the idea of something NOT based on the Little Mermaid----hear me out!---I've read plenty of media about mermaids, from webcomics to novels, and an insane amount of it seems to be a rehash of Hans Christian Anderson's fairy tale, or a terrible knockoff of Disney's Little Mermaid. People talk about originality, and what could be more original than a mermaid story NOT based on that fairy tale? I remember reading a webcomic where a girl (who happened to be Black how convinient for this discussion!), worked at an aquarium, stopped some hooligans taking selfies on top of a tank and accidentally fell into it, and got pulled down with some kind of magic. I guess she was supposed to turn into a mermaid after that, but sadly it was dropped by the creator before the exact logistics of her transformation could be revealed. But I feel like if Disney did a story without any connection to the original, a 'modern fairy tale', it could be excellent if they put the right creatives in charge and didn't meddle too much. Better yet if they don't have it focus on romance, or have it be a minor subplot, because it feels like EVERY story about mermaids I read is about true love!
I feel you on that first point. I think most fandoms are like that. Like when it comes to DC Comics I ship Superman x Wonder Woman. They've always had such a beautiful and deep relationship and it's always been clear that they've had strong romantic feelings for each other that they weren't allowed to act on because of their existing partners(status quo). But if you even MENTION their relationship in the DC fandom you'll get blasted with comments calling them trash and all sorts of accusations. The very act of liking it is considered blasphemy and you'll pretty much be labeled a heretic in any fandom space you go to. For the grand crime of not putting Lois Lane on a pedestal like everyone else. Thing is she's really just not that great and Clark's relationship with Diana is so much better but the fandom will NOT hear anything that isn't relentless praise for Lois. It sucks because it leaves me with so little places to actually sit down and talk about this one thing I love.
Yes, like, what's the point of fighting and disrespecting one another over something that is supposed to bring us all together? Yes, a small minority of people might do or support strange and unethical things (like romantic and sex stuff involving kids), but most people just have appreciation for what personally gravitates them to a show/movie/series/book/media, and want to share and celebrate it.
@@WondrousJoJo Exactly. I understand that we as nerds love to pointlessly debate about shit that no one else cares about. Thats our thing. It's normal and comes with the territory. But straight up disrespecting someone for liking something that you don't is taking it too far and is wildly unnecessary.
My unpopular Disney opinion is that it’s okay to like “bad” Disney movies for example big hero 6 what is wrong with big hero 6 or Finding Dory? What is wrong with finding dory it seems that so many people snub these movies (I’ll include turning red) because they are not big box office hits like Frozen or Toy Story. I think these movies are great but Big hero 6, turning red, and even Atlantis for that matter are GREAT movies some of my favorite animated movies of all time and why we are at it let’s add Brother Bear-underrated gem..I think these movies have so much charm and nuance that the average viewer just dosen’t under them..also raya and the last dragon got so much hate and for what? Every Disney movie cannot be frozen…I think people criticize Disney unfairly and harshly…all of these so called bad Disney movies are actually amazing and great for kids and adults imo
I personally didn't care all that much for Finding Dory, but I wouldn't call it a bad movie. I personally think Toy Story is overrated, and I checked out after the 2nd one. I loved the first, and the 2nd one was awesome. I got tired of them making them, so I didn't watch 3, and I have no idea what 4 is even about. I thought Atlantis was ok, but I wish we had more time actually IN Atlantis instead of over half the movie being the adventure TO Atlantis (which I get it's hard to do all in 90 minutes). From what I recall, Brother Bear was fine... but I really want Disney/associates to stop turning people of color into non-humans for the sake of story-telling (Princess and the Frog, Soul, Brother Bear, Emperor's New Groove, and now Turning Red). I personally thought Raya was boring, and I never finished it. 😬 I'm not saying it's a bad movie... I just found it boring. Frozen is overrated, IMO.
Preach it! I agree Political agenda should used. In regard to Bambi, I saw it with my mother and I wasn’t scared or cry. Love your take on these issues ❤
I do agree with some of these takes. And everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you're not hurting anyone, people should not get pissy over some takes that don't align with theirs. My take is that Disney makes more than enough money to make movies with original black princesses. There is so many stories they could turn into a movie but we get race swapped garbage instead. In my opinion it's just kinda sloppy seconds. I'm Autistic and for me personally I would love to see some good representation. I don't want someone making Cinderella autistic and just tossing that at me. Disney could make something original and bring more attention to black stories and fairy tales with black characters, but no they'd rather give us half-baked stories where the only effort they put in is race swapping characters. I personally think Halle Bailey is an amazing singer. I didn't like her acting. It kind of reminded me of when I was in theatre and it sounded very half delivered. But she is young so she's still improving on her craft. Everyone else though didn't really have an excuse for being a bad actor. That whole movie was just a mess. Tiana is one of my favourite princesses because of her hard work and determination and in the end that pays off and I admire her for that. Why can't we have more original and good movies like that? And I'm not saying that movies have to be exact same as their fairy tale counter part, not at all. Because the original Princess and the Frog was so much darker and the princess in it was blonde haired and white. My problem with the Little Mermaid was that this was their own property they were race swapping. If it were an original fairy tale, truth be told I wouldn't care as much because it's a reimagining, not a shot for shot adaptation. There are so many fairy tales they could make and give us another black main character like - The Swan Princess - The Princess and the Pea - The Twelve Princesses - The Princess Bride - Hansel and Grettle (Not princesses but still) - Earthsea (That book series was done so frigging dirty) And that's just to name a few. Instead we get a race swapped character instead of something original I think I've ranted long enough. I enjoyed the video
Thank you for pointing out how often "representation" is used as a publicity tool, because it is! There are so many like, race swapped or whatever characters that would be easy for me to at least try to enjoy if I didn't have movie publicity teams and then stirred up fandoms saying "You have to like this version of the character" (like for me, Halle's Ariel) rather than Jodie Benson's because in the original, she's white and not feminist enough compared to Halle's. No. If you tell me who to like and how to like them, regardless of how good the actor may be or if it IS needed representation, you have already poisoned the well. Let me discover and enjoy all these swaps and actors who were supposedly hired for their talent and merits rather whatever representation on my own. If you tell me who to like and how to like them and that I'm a horrible person for liking someone else...you're why there are people who struggle with swapping whatever in remakes. Directors and writers who do them need to make stories that can both bring in new audiences AND not make lovers of the original work (that was popular enough to warrant a remake in the first place,) not feel like horrible people. Don't you want as big an audience as possible for your work? Why write and promote something in a way that pushes potential audience members away? I don't get it.
Concerning Ariel and Mulan: 2023's TLM could've avoided a lot more controversy by making it an original TLM film; no Ariel and co, and all original songs, set in the Caribbean. I feel like the support would've been a lot stronger. And I REALLY wish we had more non-princess Disney princesses like Mulan since so many people think the title is literal.
I loved what you said in the intro so I clicked 'like' right away. I agree totally with what you said (and you reminded me I should rewatch a couple of movies) except for Belle... When I saw the movie at the cinema I really liked it. She is also my favourite princess and the movie is so colorful, and all the songs (I looooove Nevermore and Dan Stevens), so... Watching Belle in live action... I could not love it. But yes, she is a bit of Hermione more than Belle, I give you that, but I'm ok with it.
6:12 My own unpopular opinion is rhat I can see why many people are starting to think of everything as "woke". Because "woke" things have been pushed in our faces, in all places where it really doesnt belong. Entertainment, politics, jobs, etc, and it's pretty obvious that Disney is capitalizing on that and is using it to lecture and insult its audience, to the point where their movies and shows are just not entertaining anymore - and that's Disney's one job, is to entertain. Maybe we do need a new word, but it is absolutely there, and glaringly so. Humans are good at nothing if not recognizing patterns, and at this point the pattern has been beat to death over and over again for years and years to the point where we can't really deny that it's there anymore. I agree that maybe some people call things woke when it may not deserve it, however I honestly don't blame them considering just how much this toxicity has invaded every aspect of Western life.
Society can be like sheep... they just follow what everyone else does. Many people never actually looked into the word. They just used it because it was the popular buzzword to describe a common social/media trend.
I can't believe that people feel that Mulan was the worst Disney remake..... the Remake needs to be able to stand on its own I think they use the original movies too heavy😊..... I just hope Disney doesn't mess up the Pocahontas remake😊
Alright, drag racing time! 😉 Finally had time to watch this! 1) I think there is that toxicity in a lot of fandoms because you're dealing with things that people have very strong feelings and attachments about, and none of it is helped by the outrage engine that is the Internet. Disney's entire brand is built on close emotional connections, so when Disney disappoints, it really comes across like a betrayal. When you say something "wrong" the fans can act like you just spoke blasphemy, because it has deep meaning to them. But Disney fandom isn't even the most toxic fandom I've been involved in... Pro-wrestling fandom is an absolute cesspool, Godzilla power scalers are terrible, and I was literally driven out of Steampunk 😆 3) Yeah, "woke" is too charged of a word... I think you can actually define how it is used today to represent a kind of disingenuous left wing radicalism, but while it is kinda' useful among people who know what you mean by it, it too easily bogs down discussions when people start quibbling over its meaning. When trying to actually make a point, I will say progressive, left-authoritarian, or left-wing extremist or something along those lines. 5) Emma Watson was absolutely terrible. But Beauty and the Beast was really where the live-action remakes lost their shine for me. Cinderella was good for elaborating on the story, Jungle Book was fantastic, but Beauty and the Beast just reminded me of what a good movie the original was. 7) Apparently I only have opinions on your odd-numbered hot takes... I frickin' LOVE Atlantis, but I totally understand why it didn't do well. It was exactly the kind of movie I WOULD love, THEREFORE nobody else did 😆 And at the end of the day, yes, that's why Kida isn't a princess. The Disney Princesses are just a marketing campaign, and they didn't feel that Kida would have benefitted from it or vice versa. Likewise, Anna and Elsa aren't official Princesses either, because Frozen merchandise sells well enough on its own that they don't need to be. However, all that said, I think there's another reason why Kida isn't an official princess... Atlantis isn't HER story. It's Milo's story. It's one of the VERY few Disney animated films that is a story about a male character, in which the male character isn't subservient to the princess' self-actualization. Philip, Flynn, Charming, Florian, Kristoff, Aladdin, Beast, Tramp... They all exist to help the princess achieve her goals. Milo doesn't. Yes he DOES help Kida, but the story isn't ABOUT that. It's ABOUT his own self-actualization, to which Kida is an accessory. It pretty nearly reverses the traditional male-female dynamic of Disney films. So I can see girls not really being into Kida the same way boys aren't really into Philip. 9) I actually used to be really involved in pro-LGBTQ activism in university 20 years ago, before we got marriage equality here in Canada. Once we got that, I fell out of it because... well... mission accomplished. There weren't any more legal hurdles to cross. But since then, and especially in the last 5 years or so, I've become really cynical with the direction of the activism and "corporate pride." I remember when I had to field conservative strawmen about how "they're coming for our kids with their gay agenda" kind of crap, so it's absolutely INFURIATING to me to see us actually DOING THAT NOW. Like, just stay away from people's kids. It's not that hard, but then here we are singing about coming for children and acting like it's our job to protect children from their parents and interjecting into cartoons for no other reason than for Disney - a megacorporation - to act like they're all progressive, and it's all backfiring spectacularly. Acceptance for LGBTQ people is actually DECLINING, which is unbelievable to me. If you told me that 20 years ago I would have been incredulous. There... BAM. Shots fired! Oh, P.S.: read the original Bambi novel by Felix Salten. It is an absolute MASTERPIECE of nature writing. It gave me a new appreciation for the film, but the film doesn't even come close to the novel. Same with Disney's Wind in the Willows compared to the novel, which is also a masterpiece.
Oh... I have to add hot takes of my own. Um... Given the historical context, Song of the South was actually a racially progressive film. The original redhead in Pirates of the Caribbean was actually a more powerful female figure than the new pirate redhead. Disney movies have always been empowering to women, often at the cost of men. Frollo's song is terrible. Fantasia is the single greatest movie ever made.
True, fandoms can be so toxic in general, and I believe you when you say that there are far worse ones out there. I usually don't actively get involved in any of them and have been that way all my life. I usually just keep to myself, but there are times when I will go to some forums just to be a fly on the wall... and I have seen some WEIRD stuff. I'm not all that knowledgeable on Steampunk (even though I really enjoy the aesthetic). But... I also rarely ever see black people participating. I'm not sure why. I want to see more of everyone dress up like that. What happened with you and steampunk, if you dont mind me asking? It's really cool. Godzilla is cool, but I'm not very much into it. I assume maybe people fight over the different Kaijus, and who is stronger? And I'm sorry, NO ONE should be legit fighting over WWE. I respect that community... but we all know what those wrestlers do is scripted and performative. How do people legit fight over that when those dudes go home together laughing and hanging out and getting drinks afterward? With the term "woke," people always do this with Black lingo. It's the same story with the word "Karen." Greater society has absolutely stripped it of how serious the term actually is. Real Karens are horrible people who use their power and privilege as white women to cause intentional harm or death to black/POC folks. When you think of a true Karen, think the 'Central Park Birdwatching Incident'. If she could have, she would have gladly gotten that man killed, all because she felt she was above the law and certainly wasn't going to let a 3rd-rate lesser human (a black man) tell her otherwise. She knew her power in white society and wielded it against the man. She knows how the power structure works and that if she 'A pure, crying, and frail' white woman is being aggresed by the big scary blk guy, then the police will most likely be on her side. She could have gotten a *completely innocent* man shot that day. All he wanted to do was watch the birds. I totally see where you're coming from about Kida. I like Milo because he represents the male nerds/geeks, as Belle does for women. The grand theme of that narrative really bothers me, but it's something that Hollywood loves to do historically. I plan on making a video about it in the future, so I won't really touch on it here. Emma Watson butchered the character. 'Nuff said, haha. I remember back when the marriage laws were changed, and my friend at the time was very happy that he had all the same rights as everyone else. He was content and happy. Fast-forward, a few years after that, he admitted that all this extra newer stuff is absolutely out of control and that it should have stopped with marriage equality since that was the last legitimate legal frontier. He was just as irritated with all the new wave politics. One of your hot takes is going to cause us to fight 🤣🤣🤣 But I won't say which one because it is literally a part of a hot take in Part 2's video. So I'll see your ass in part 2!! 😂😂😂😂
@@WondrousJoJo // I'm not all that knowledgeable on Steampunk (even though I really enjoy the aesthetic). But... I also rarely ever see black people participating. I'm not sure why. I want to see more of everyone dress up like that. What happened with you and steampunk, if you dont mind me asking? // The lack of Black people is pretty easy to understand... Steampunk is fundamentally rooted in the aesthetics of 19th century industrialization, colonialism, and science fiction. As a result, it mostly mirrors countries that had a strong tradition of 19th century industrialization, colonialism, and science fiction, which is basically Europe, North America, and Japan. It's not only difficult for Black people to eke out a space there, but to even WANT to, considering what the 19th century meant to Africans and the African diaspora. As for what happened, prior to 2007 Steampunk was just a genre of science fiction and the nerds who were into it. But then around 2007 it was "discovered" and colonized by Makers, Punks, and post-Goths, whereupon it was turned more into a cosplay lifestyle with pretentions of political activism. Those people proceeded to take over the majority of Steampunk online spaces, insinuate themselves into positions of power, and then bully, harass, or outright ban the old time Steampunk fans. And I HATE that kind of sh*t, so I didn't react to it well and eventually had to brand my own blog and things away from Steampunk and back towards Victorian science fiction (I only finally gave up entirely on my blog last year or so). But it was the classical story of how if you don't gatekeep your fandom, you will eventually be gatekept OUT of your fandom. The paradox of tolerance. // It's really cool. Godzilla is cool, but I'm not very much into it. I assume maybe people fight over the different Kaijus, and who is stronger? // Yep... The whole thing over Godzilla vs. Kong was insufferable. Die hard Godzilla fanboys were offended that Kong could even written to be an equal to Godzilla and made sure to take it out on everyone who was a fan of both monsters. // And I'm sorry, NO ONE should be legit fighting over WWE. I respect that community... but we all know what those wrestlers do is scripted and performative. How do people legit fight over that when those dudes go home together laughing and hanging out and getting drinks afterward? // It's more about conflict between companies. I'm a fan of All Elite Wrestling and you can't go to any post anywhere about AEW and NOT see it spammed up by people relentlessly criticizing the company, its wrestlers, its ratings, and its fans, simply for the fact of it existing as an alternative to WWE. It would be like fans of McDonald's constantly complaining that Wendy's exists on every Tweet made by Wendy's. They would do the same to companies like New Japan Pro-Wrestling too if they weren't all racists who weren't aware of anything that happens outside the United States. It almost makes me want to dip out of wrestling altogether. // The grand theme of that narrative really bothers me, but it's something that Hollywood loves to do historically. I plan on making a video about it in the future, so I won't really touch on it here. // I look forward to it! // Fast-forward, a few years after that, he admitted that all this extra newer stuff is absolutely out of control and that it should have stopped with marriage equality since that was the last legitimate legal frontier. He was just as irritated with all the new wave politics. // I'm gratified that I'm not alone in that 😆 // One of your hot takes is going to cause us to fight But I won't say which one because it is literally a part of a hot take in Part 2's video. So I'll see your ass in part 2!! // Uh oh, bro either loves Frollo's song or hates Fantasia 😆
I'm not even gonna touch the Ariel thing, because while I vastly disagree, I do get where you're coming from, and others have responded on it to death. On the other hand, I do agree that Emma Watson wasn't the best choice for Belle, but for different reasons. Two words: Auto Tune. Granted, Auto tune is used universally in just about every piece of modern music recording, but the fact that they had to heavily rely on using it so much specifically on her and it was REALLY noticeable only on her, they should have just cast a better singer. (Which ties into part of why I think Halle Bailey was a perfect Ariel; her voice made me cry tears of joy and any issue I had with the movie had absolutely nothing to do with casting, but I digress!) Also, we can't act like Disney didn't create a specific rubric for who qualifies as a Disney princess that may or may not have anything to do with the actual definition of a princess irl. Mulan is not an actual princess: fact. Mulan is a Disney princess: ALSO fact. Both are true!
The auto tune was horrible! I forgot to mention that in the video, but I did mention it in a video I did about that movie. At least Halle could sing, yes. Side note, it would've been nice if Ariel had gotten more than just 1 (arguably 1.5 songs) song in the original. While the reprise of POYW is great and iconic, I would have liked one more song. I do like that Ariel got a little more in the remake. And as for the line, yeah... it is true that a Princess is whomever Disney says they are. I feel that if there are no concrete rules, then the term "princess" has no real meaning. It just becomes a pretty title that makes them look special.
Another unpopular opinion, I disagree with yours and many other commenter's dismissal of Mulan's status in the Disney lineup. Y'all act like she gets way more attention than she actually gets. Mulan is my favorite Disney character, and let me tell you how absolutely difficult it is to find any merch for her. Yeah, she appears on some promos, and there is some limited stuff for her but that's about the extent of it. It's not accurate to compare her to Kida or Meg, because those two were not even the focus of the movies they were in. Mulan was the central character of her movie, hell her name was the title. I don't agree on all of that being the same level as the others she's being compared to. Surprised to see the blatant dismissal of Mulan here. Also, way to use a ridiculous screenshot of Mulan's face from that terrible second movie that really never should have been made.
Mulan is an amazing character. There is no doubt about that. The problem is that she gets a special pass that some other amazing female protagonists/characters don't get. If being the title lead alone makes a female character worthy, why don't we see Raya in the official lineup? Not only is she the title lead, but she's an actual princess. You'd think those 2 strong factors would make her golden, right? Truthfully, all of the princesses of color get less merchandise than their white counterparts. I rarely ever see Pocahontas merchandise. Tiana has only been more prevalent because of MLK day in January, Black History Month in February, and Juneteenth (obviously in June). I'm not sure about Jasmine, but she can't be getting as much as the white girls if I can barely recall anything, lol. But Mulan should definitely get more merchandise. I would never be opposed to that. Though I still believe Disney slid her in for diversity purposes, I still do love the variety she adds to the line. EDIT: "ridiculous screenshot." "Terrible second movie" 😂😂😂 Anyone who can get me to laugh gets a heart for their comment! I was originally going to use the one where she first woke up in the morning at the beginning of the original film. I don't care about the second movie, to be honest. I don't even think I've ever watched the whole thing.
Hm I don't agree that Mulan gets a special pass. I think the absolute monumental weight of her actions earns her a rightful place in the line. Especially with this whole insistence on having good role models for girls, in my opinion she's one of the only ones who actually meets that criteria fully. But maybe I am biased as a woman in the Army. That shit is still hard to do, even now. I can't imagine doing it during Imperial China, especially not with the very real threat of being caught and killed looming above me. As far as why Raya isn't in the lineup, I couldn't tell you. My own opinion is that her movie was just not very good. It did not come even close to the impact of a movie like Mulan. It was dry and boring, and I could not stay engaged the entire time I was watching it. Also, Raya is not a classical Disney character. When I see Disney featuring Mulan in a lineup, it's usually next to other classics like Ariel, Belle, Aurora, and Tiana (Tiana was in late 2000s, so she was in the transition phase from 2D to 3D - but I do believe she gets to be considered a classic at this point). I believe that's important context. Maybe it's possible that Disney included Mulan because of diversity purposes, however given the true power and impact of her story (not to mention our ever increasing tensions with China) I'm finding that harder and harder to believe. But again, I was a woman in the army so maybe her story just hits me deeper. Others who don't have that experience probably cannot understand the weight of her actions.
Dismissal? 🤔 I love Mulan, but she's not a princess technically. That is a fact. I was actually so angry with the remake in what they did to her and think Mulan II is a masterpiece compared to it. I don't want her taken out either. Mulan is my mom's favorite movie so I watched it a lot with her. Aurora and Jasmine are both secondary characters but are included in the lineup.(Sleeping Beauty was following the fairies and how they prevented and helped save Aurora) But I don't want them taken out. Aurora is my favorite.
Instead of "woke" a better word would be activism. Because politics and philosophy have always been a part of storytelling. But they've primarily been in service of telling an ENTERTAINING story first and foremost. When people call something "woke" they're referring to a story that exists for the sole purpose of pushing an ideological activist message FIRST and telling a good story second. Said message will often be for the goal of subverting the norms and beliefs of the society at large.
Or, the point is the social storytelling but to pack them in a nice way. If it isn't packed well, it isn't art but a soapbox shouting. If we wanted to be preached to, we would go to church. A story is supposed to make you think. The breadwinner by cartoon saloon is a great example.
Almost agree with every single opinion of yours! Can't wait for part 2👍 And yes, I'd love to see the addition of more mature girls to Disney princesses line. Disney wants to make it diverse, but why not age range? For young girls it's nothing wrong to want to be mature women. Youth is not everything for girls, it's so wholesome if we have more mature role models!!!❤
I feel that the exploitation is a direct result of the aporoach taken by a lot of loud people of various groups. Their approach seems to be "we want to be seen, we want to be heard, give us characters, fix the pale male stale, gibs us dat" and then when the cynical money-grubbing corporate wolves throw them scraps, they get all like "why are you disrespecting us, do better." Good, respectful, sincere representation is the result of patient work and piling up grains of sand, as blacks who lived through the era of black-sploitation can attest. It took a long, long time before blacks got characters like Uhura in Star Trek, or actors like James Earl Jones and Billy Dee Williams being iconic in Star Wars, or actors like Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Samuel L. Jackson, and others being cool as hell on the silver screen. It's a very long and unpleasant road to be taken seriously after being treated as a cheap joke, and I feel like the GLBT+ people are encouraging the corporate moguls to continue to feed them processed animal product instead of good red meat and are prolonging the pain instead of gathering grains of sand to build up to their "Uhura and Kirk kiss" moment.
I think there is a lot of truth in this take because oh my GOODNESS Black people had to wait for so long. And we are still waiting for certain things to this day. I do see SOME lgbt representatives trying to force change too fast, and as a result, it hurts the organic growth. You should want media to change because people *genuinely* WANT to change it from within, and not because there's a lot of thirsty and desperate people who are ready to throw their money at anything that may potentially be promising. I agree that that is how people end up disappointed or feeling disrespected by a soulless creation. But honestly, Black people have been guilty of this, too. While some of us spoke out against the LA Little Mermaid casting, there were a large number of my people who were in support of it. I understand we want to see ourselves as amazing fantasy creatures, too, but that wasn't the best way to go about it.
@@WondrousJoJo Yeah, I pointed at the GLBT+ community because at the moment I wrote that post, that was the community you were discussing in the video. But that community is not the only ones who have made mistakes in getting themselves represented in a wholesome, sincere way. I also want to +1 your point about media *wanting* to change being important. I don't know how many people are aware of this, but in that moment where Uhura and Kirk kissed on screen, the directors tried to hedge their bets by recording alternate takes where the kiss didn't happen, or it was on the cheek instead of the lips. Because William Shatner *wanted* the change that the kiss represented, he deliberately ruined all of the alternate takes by making various mistakes so that the show runners would have no choice but to throw caution to the wind and air that important media moment. THAT is what it looks like when media *wants* to change, individual people taking action to push the change along. When it's being changed under the gun, or for cynical and exploitative reasons? Well, we get a 2-second take of LeFou dancing with a man at the last possible moment to cynically do "representation." Media people are creative, the number of ways that they can practice malicious obedience and show flagrant disrespect are infinite. If you want them to NOT do that, you patiently create a culture where being respectful and authentic is something they want to do of their own free will. Thank you for this video, by the way. I may not be vibing with your every point, but I enjoyed myself. I want to see more. :)
Thank you! I will definitely give more! Stay tuned within the next few days so that you too can participate in an upcoming poll that will directly affect part 2's video! 😊😊😊 Hope to see you there!
The way I've always heard "woke" used is in a combination of ironic and mocking. In original usage, it's the same as telling someone to keep their wits about them, to stay aware of what's going on, to keep an eye out for trouble. In colloquial usage, it's mocking a person or entity of being so hyperalert that they've crossed right over into imaginjng problems that do not exist, and purposefuply blind themselves to the implications of what they're doing. A woke person in original vintage notices a store letting a white boy off with a scolding for shoplifting while calling the police on the black boy, because that is a thing that is real, did happen, and is important to be aware of so you can avoid a crappy person. A woke person will notice a store clerk bagging many items in a large white plastic bag for a white customer while then putting a single purchased item in a small brown paper bag for a black customer, and make a big stink about it because they are so hyperaware that they assign magical meanings to bags that were selected for purely utility reasons: one is suitable for a small numbet of items, the other for a large number.
To be honest I hate the word woke that’s been used in politics including right wing media stories i probably would support the gay stuff but it needs to be done respectfully to other families you can support the gay movement but needs to be done respectfully to others instead of the word let’s use untraditional.
You’re thinking of “princess” in the traditional sense, when Disney uses it in terms of dollar signs. A quick google search tells me Disney counts princesses as those either born into royalty/ traditional reasons OR they do a heroic deed, aka Mulan. Mulan is not a princess princess, but she is a Disney princess…just let me have my crumb of representation 😂😂😂
I believe Mulan has the most powerful and inspiring story out of all of them and she deserves her place in the line. Yeah she's not a princess but she's a woman who faced down certain death and dishonor to join the Imperial Chinese army to save her father and her country, and personally I think that carries more weight than being born into a certain bloodline.
woke is like gay or the rainbow. these things did not mean originally what they mean now. woke has gone the same way. woke may have meant the 'be aware' before but now it's a message that it's focused on political pandering of some sort or another for a special interest group who wants to damage some subject or some product. the definition has changed basically. and they were basically doing the same the racism, sexism and being a nazi. though those failed but they were trying to change the definitions of such too. and on added note, for some reason media consider asians 'white'. check the assassin's creed game for the whole controvery there. the animal thing people do feel sad when they know about it. there's a video on here of youtube talking about a baby rhino who needed a caretaker for it to fall asleep as it would cry to sleep because it's momma was killed by poachers. and people feel sad when they hear of poachers killing a cheetah or lion and they leave cubs. but when it's food they often don't feel sad. and agreed on keita and the princess and the cauldron. not sure why they don't get included. and agreed on lilo and stitch. they should readd the scene just like they should add the two tower trailer in spiderman that was an original commercial. also agreed on belle.
It bothers me that people who aren't even part of an ethnicity/group can just take a word and develop it into what they want it to be. Like I said in the video, I don't even know how that shift happened. I will research it sometime to try to find out. I didn't know media considers Asians white. Probably just the Far East ones. I doubt they count brown Asians. That's interesting, though. I may look into that as well. I do know that in this country, Arabs and jews get to be classified as "white" as well. It looks like you're the first person to specifically mention the Lilo & Stitch take. Yes, I think all the scenes should go back in, including Spider Man. Again, if it was literally about the towers burning and collapsing down by means of an airplane, I would totally get it. But many of these scenes aren't even like that at all. Lilo & Stitch took place on an island in Hawaii, not even New York!
@@WondrousJoJo well with assassin's creed they've been trying to defend that 'they don't need another asian samurai for the lead' in a game based in japan. the japanese are getting very pissed off at it and consider it insulting. they're actually calling it cultural appropriation from western developers. and yeah, i think woke just happened to be like 'gay' or like the rainbow. these didn't mean to be homosexual once. one was specifically a religious symbol. and if you're heard about racism and sexism they've been trying to alter it to being 'priveledged authority' to excuse bigotry against certain groups of people. so i kind of take woke undergoing or having undergone the same thing. (to tell the truth until it had been appropriated i'd never heard woke used in such a way. before then i'd known woke as the past tense of waking from sleep.) and yeah, i'm sure you can see the trailer now of spiderman on youtube where he webbed up two mercenary coptors between the towers. i think things like this should be returned and people should be able to view the original. or more like the song you mentioned with aladdin that it had the line of slitting your thoat. like when i was a kid that was so shocking but made the song more memorable and fun. it shouldn't be censored because some get fifi's in a knott about it.
Wait a moment... another samurai? Who was the first one? I have been loosely interested in the series but never took the plunge. So, if there already was a first samurai, I don't know who it was. So are you saying Japan doesn't like the idea of the historically true black samurai? I thought the Japanese liked him and that he was always a part of their pop culture?? Are they considering it cultural appropriation now? As for Woke, it's also just like the term "Karen." It was also a black term that meant a white woman who knew her power in society and used it to cause intentional harm or death to BIPOC people. America took it and watered it so far down that now people just think it's an entitled or mean woman.
@@WondrousJoJo it's the gamedevs who are saying 'there's plenty of japanese samurai' but fans of assassins creed wanted to play a japanese character when it's a japanese setting and they've been asking for it for awhile now only to have it turned around and be yasuke who has a questionable history as there's quite a bit of debate on wether he was a samurai at all. and when the developers are trying to say it's historically accurate there seems to be problems there as well. (also seems to be problems in the entire design of japan itself in the game as it's being said they took things from china to set there and put things out of season since they have sakura trees blooming but people harvesting, ect. there seem to be a lot of problems with the game in relation to japan and yasuke.) karen is another one i hadn't been aware of until it got changed to be 'entitled white woman with a bob trying to demean others, generally men' cuz it's actually funny i'd created a oc who fit the physical description of 'karen' who had the name karen and the word use of it kind of ruins the name unfortunately.
@feuryie Hmmm... I sense some *potential* racism with this debacle. I don't want to make any major judgment calls too early on before I do my own research. Going off of what you said, it seems to me that people just don't want to see a black guy, lol. Japanese is a nationality, meaning a black man can be Japanese. I think what they actually mean is that they want to play as an Asian character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall a fan of the series telling me that the game centers around playing as the *ascendants* of the white main character's bloodline, right? If that is true, am I to believe that he is white/viking/Anglo, Egyptian/Black, Arab, and now Asian ALL at the same time??? I mean, we have to draw the line somewhere. Also, I believe the voices that matter the most in this are Japanese voices. Americans should largely be quiet and take the back seat on this. I personally think it's very cool that the devs chose Yasuke. But, if the Japanese collectively hate the idea, then I would respect that.
Halle Bailey being cast as Ariel isn’t a choice based on diversity. Do your research. Because assuming that Halle’s casting as Ariel was just so Disney could give the black community “white scraps” is just as bad as saying that she shouldn’t have gotten the role just because of her skin color. And it’s also plain racist choosing to ignore how perfect Halle is for the specific role of ARIEL. And all that talk about how they shouldn’t “race swap” white characters and make new stories based on black culture is bullcrap. While there should be more stories based on poc culture, there are room for poc in well known stories too! If your casting an iconic traditionally white role and the characters race has nothing to do with their status in the story you can’t just exclude people of color just because of their skin color. That’s why COLORBLIND CASTING is a thing. Because if not for Halle the live action little mermaid would have sucked. Halle looks like ARIEL and sounds like ARIEL and is a good fit for ARIEL. You can’t just ignore that only due to the color of her skin! She isn’t even that dark anyways! What we should be complaining about with her casting is how the COSTUME DESIGNER gave her a DESIGN that looked nothing like Ariel. It’s not Halles fault you can’t see Ariel in her. It’s the fault of the director and costume designer. Also in correct usage of the term. Something like Mulan is “woke” because it’s shedding light on a social issue while the little mermaid is not. And since we’re in agreement that Emma Waston was a terrible Belle, would you rather have her play Belle, or a person of color who fit the role of Belle perfectly?
Hmmm.... By your logic, that would also mean that Cinderella, Belle, or pretty much any white princess that isn't a born royal can be changed to any race. I say "born royal" because if the story is based on a European kingdom, the princes and princesses will be white since the royal family will be white. However, if the princess is not born royal and instead marries into royalty, then she can be any color because, in some cases, a royal can marry whoever they want. Not only that, if the princess is born European royalty, then that is part of her culture, meaning she should be white. With that being said, Ariel is white and born royal, BUT the ocean kingdom is fictional and does not exist. Therefore, yes, a mermaid princess can be any color, race, ethnicity, etc. My issue is that Disney claimed this a REMAKE of the original film. It's not a reimagining. It's not a retelling of the original book by Hans Christian Anderson...it is a remake of the 1989 film. Have you seen the Cinderella with Brandy that was done by Disney? I loved that film and had no issues with it, even now as an adult. Do you know why it's not seen as an issue? It's because that was a different take on a Cinderella story, Rodgers & Hammerstein's, specifically. It was not a remake of the 1950 film, and so people respected that. Notice how the remake of the 1950 film starred a white woman, Lily James. And also notice how Belle in the remake was also played by a white woman. Up until the Little Mermaid remake, Disney was very precise, calculated, and selective with how they brought representation to the table. When they announced who was going to play Ariel, it felt like a total publicity stunt because of Disney's track record. Had Disney always had a history of race-swapping THEIR traditionally white characters, then it wouldn't be a huge deal. But they just one day woke up and decided to make one of their princesses Black? They KNEW this would cause problems, and yet they did it anyway. And yes, I believe it was in hopes of making more money while simultaneously attempting to shut up Black people when it comes to lack of diversity. Now, back to the fictional ocean kingdom. Yes, any woman/girl can play the Little Mermaid, but "Ariel" specifically is Disney's adaptation of Hans Christian Anderson's story. I don't even think the little mermaid had a name in the original book. This is the first time I can think of where Disney racially changed one of their "original" chatacters. Like I said, if Disney was always known for this, people wouldn't have been as surprised. But historically, Disney did not promote "any girl can play any princess" in their media. Yes, Ariel is part fish, but when she gets her legs, she becomes a full white woman. Also, Ariel becomes a mom in the sequels. Melody is a royal-born white girl from a European kingdom (Eric's kingdom). Therefore...Ariel is better off white. It just makes more sense in the long run. Disney produced the movie "Splash" in the past, so we know they're capable of telling new mermaid stories. I think Halle deserved better. And yes, I can admit that Halle does have some features that reflect Ariel. And also, yes, Halle has a great voice... but consistency is best, in my opinion. Also, yes, I agree that her outfits were horrible! Maybe if the hair and outfits were better, maybe people wouldn't have been as bummed about the final product.
@@WondrousJoJo If you are struggling read this~ I know I’m young but I would just like to say that, In 7th grade I was in a very dark place. I couldn’t feel much emotion and I had thoughts of revenge and the other things. But God saved me, He gave me the people in my life and he showed himself to me. Even in my darkest days He was there with me, He never left me. One day while I was in bed I started to pray with my hand go the sky and I felt something holding my hand. At that very moment I knew it was Him. I repent of all of the sins I have committed. I am ready to begin a new life with Him. There is still time go repent love one another and believe in Christ for He will forgive you❤️ He helped me in hard and he will help you too:). Just pray!
@@sabrinamiller3671 If you are struggling read this~ I know I’m young but I would just like to say that, In 7th grade I was in a very dark place. I couldn’t feel much emotion and I had thoughts of revenge and the other things. But God saved me, He gave me the people in my life and he showed himself to me. Even in my darkest days He was there with me, He never left me. One day while I was in bed I started to pray with my hand go the sky and I felt something holding my hand. At that very moment I knew it was Him. I repent of all of the sins I have committed. I am ready to begin a new life with Him. There is still time go repent love one another and believe in Christ for He will forgive you❤️ He helped me in hard and he will help you too:). Just pray!
@@sabrinamiller3671 face shape and body shape are similar if u don’t stop looking when u realize she’s black and the only thing that has to be different about Halle’s Ariel from orginal Ariel is that she has darker skin and dark brown eyes. It’s really her live action design that makes her not look like Ariel with the desaturated ginger hair in a middle instead of side part, and the ugly blue green and purple scale top. Ariel’s known for her red hair purple seashell top and green tail. The only thing the costume designer got right was her tail
I don’t agree with the Belle take because they didn’t give Emma much to work with when it came to the script…like the lines were bad and I think that is because the movie has very little exposition between belle and beast when she gets to the castle in the og movie…the girl literally was talking to cups and furniture because the beast wouldn’t talk to her until about half way through the movie lol
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1: I see what you mean as Disney fans (including myself) are VERY passionate about what they like. However those same people call out Disney’s nonsense when it comes to their politically motivated productions
2: ABSOLUTELY! Ariel is a creation of Disney not Hans Christian Anderson and as such should have stayed how she was originally created.
3: I think “Token” or “DEI/politically motivated” would be a good substitute for “Woke”
4: agreed. I’ll actually go farther than that and say i don’t remember much of that movie
5: 1000%! She’s a horrendous Belle
6: I can get behind that
7: that would be interesting
8: I can get behind that
9: agreed! They absolutely intentionally started a political war (same with LA little mermaid) to boost ticket sells and that’s absolutely disgusting!
As for Part 2, BRING IT ON BABY! haha
Handle it? Man, we're *_waiting_* for it. Give us more!
The vibe I got from Emma Watson's Belle was that she was literally playing the role of Hermione Granger dressed like a Disney Princess. My biggest issues are from the 'Be Our Guest' sequence, where she looked absolutely bored (I mean I get that that sequence was pretty much CGI, but the least she could have done was sell the performance and give the impression that she was enjoying herself). Secondly, when The Beast is eating sloppily, she LITERALLY glares at him, as if she is scolding him. In the animated movie, all she did was gasp a little and then look a little awkwardly away. That's when the Beast got the hint, and that final shot of them raising the porridge bowl was a sign that she was meeting him halfway. However, when Emma did the scene, she looked like she was just doing him a massive favor by stooping down to his level and debasing herself
Ugh, you're right!! She was such a judgmental and snobby performance. 😭
My unpopular opinion is that Snow White, Cinderella & Aurora are NOT bad role models for girls
Snow White remains kind, hopeful & makes do out of a horrible situation. This movie would have mostly been made by vets of WW1, an incredible message of hope in that time
Cinderella was abused, lost her parents, and she never lets that define her. She DOES NOT just wait for a man. She is very active in her own movie, its just a shame that 25% of it is hijacked by Tom & Jerry nonsense 😭 also, the prince is great, it wasnt his idea to try the shoe on every girl, it was the King's idea, the advisor thinks its a dumb idea but the king doesn't care who the shoe fits, just that it fits someone, ANYONE, so he can have grandkids
As for Aurora 😭😭😭!!! I will defend this girl til the day I die, I swear, everyone who complains about the princesses in these movies have never actually watched them because the narriative around Aurora is that she marries the first guy she meets after only spending like 5 minutes with him and that's it, that's the whole story- NO 😭😭😭😭!!!!!
She wanted to get to know him better, just the plot didn't let them. When Aurora left Phillip in the forest, she asked to meet up later that very evening at her cottage in the glen. She would introduce him to her 3 guardians and they could get to know each other better
She was HEARTBROKEN that she was already betrothed to someone else, she didn't want to get married right away
It was only sheer luck that the guy she met in the forest was the same guy she was betrothed to and that's why she married him so fast and was happily married, she was forced to, and luckily it was the same guy she met that was nice to her
also technically everyone slept for 100 years SO THEY DIDN'T GET MARRIED RIGHT AWAY, THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN 😂😂😂
OMG I wanna join your team to defend my girl Aurora. High five!!!! Also I think she's such a responsible woman in her age, she was not willing but tried to fulfill her royal duty😭 She's the one who can prioritize her kingdom.
@@ccdhatr RIGHT!? THE SCENE OF HER CRYING AT THE MIRROR AFTER THE CROWN GETS PUT ON HER AND THE WEIGHT OF BEING IN CHARGE OF A KINGDOM SHE'S NEVER KNOWN AND BEING RIPPED AWAY FROM EVERYTHING SHE'S EVER KNOWN IS POWERFUL
She's basically just had it revealed to her that everything she knows is a lie!??? Her moms are not her moms, her home is not her home, she'll never see her room again, her clothes again, her kitchen again, her garden, animal friends, anything. Everything just got ripped Out from underneath her and she has to marry some guy she hasnt met. Also HER PARENTS HAVE BEEN ALIVE THIS WHOLE TIME AND DIDN'T CHECK IN ONCE!!!!!!!!! I can't imagine the weight of THAT 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
She just weeps but like you said, she's mature enough to move forward with this for the kingdom.
I love you♥️♥️(Sorry not trying to be weird I love Aurora. Also I agree about Cinderella and Snow White)
Meg from Hercules should be a Disney Princess. Hercules is the prince of Mount Olympus.
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She should be a princess because she's based upon a Greek Princess. Her bf being a demigod has little to do with it, she should be even if he was without title.
“Don’t need a pillow to protect us before I give my opinion” YES!
People always saying Elsa was the first Disney Queen but NO it was Kida
I love seeing the memes of how Disney was more diverse when they weren’t pressured to be. That is when they gave us brother bear, Aladdin, lilo and stich, the princess and the frog, etc. and they actually created great stories.
As soon as they were pressured to be progressive, creators seemed to create stories that they did not love or trust. They just had to appease their bosses.
Don't believe the lies that Ariel's casting was color blind or that they based it on her talent. If they did, then they would have picked an actress who can actually act and not just sing. They absolutely cast Halle Bailey for the sake of race-baiting. Not to mention they made Eric be adopted just so he could stay white. Frankly, it's just racist to cast a non-white actor as a white character. Doing that is implying that black characters need to stand on the shoulders of white characters to succeed. It's also double-standards. I mean, they would never cast David Hyde Pierce as Othello, would they? Or Danny Devito as Blade?
I like how in so many other movies they include many different kinds of people but they don’t make it the central point/ theme of the movie. I think that’s one of the reasons this casting wasn’t a success. This movie everything they did was for the sake of representation, they made the whole thing all about the race of Ariel and how they correcting now the wrong setting and the wrong viewpoint of the original animation that was all about white characters.
Like, the “actress” definitely wasn’t chosen for her talent cause literally her acting skills were nonexistent. Really will never understand that suicide choice for the little mermaid.
I think Beyoncé buying Halle the role was how she was cast
@@SunshineBarbie-sv4biThis actually seems like a plausible explanation
@@twocanplay7976 it’s actually pretty well known because I believe Beyoncé agreed to voice nala if Halle was cast
It wasn't colorblind at all. Halle only had one acting credit under her belt before this role. And it was in a 30 minute TV show where she and her sister would give snappy one liners. She was good but never experienced or talented enough to pull off a major motion picture. I literally told my mom that she was like Kristen Stewart had one facial expression for the whole movie. Her voice is beautiful, but that's not enough to be able to be the face of the movie.
They did this specifically to make controversy so they could make money. They didn't do anything with Ariel. She is the only live action princess who didn't get her gorgeous princess dress. The dress they had her in and her engagement dress were both UGLY. Why does Vanessa who is on screen for 5 min have a gorgeous dress while Halle was given that ugly dress. They used Halle to create controversy and to make money but didn't care about showing us anything valuable when making Ariel black which shows me it was a stunt.
Belle is my favorite princess! I really identified with her growing up. She set an example that it was okay to be nerdy, unique, curious, courageous, adventurous and brave while still being a beautiful romantic and kind dreamer who loved her family. She saw past the “ugly and scary “ exterior to the beauty within. She wasn’t afraid to be herself and she was not about to settle. If she didn’t meet the Beast, she probably would have ended up an old maid taking care of her father, reading books or writing them.
There was nothing redeemable about the remake. They made a complex beautiful character absolutely insufferable.
JoJo, I don’t think your opinions are uncommon ( a lot of us feel the same way) but they do not fit in with the political agenda which makes them unpopular . Love your work! Keep it up!
Thank you! 💜
Instead of "woke", you can use "disingenuous". I think that's really what people are trying to say when they misappropriate that word.
"Disingenuous" is definitely what it is!
IMO Not having Lilly Collin’s as Belle was such a waste of an opportunity 😅 I did not like EW I’m this role at all.
You are correct about Ariel. Go off King.
I’m going to add onto one of your opinions. Yes Ariel should’ve been played by a white girl. I completely agree with that and here’s my add-on snow. White should also be being played by a white girl. Hope you don’t mind my addition and if you already said that, sorry.
At the very least someone light skinned. If they want to pretend they care about representation and inclusivity then they can use someone Norwegian, Icelandic, none Caucasian or even fully delve into it and use an albino. Like how interesting would it be to get a snow white movie with an albino girl? Or someone who was fully affected by vitaligo?
@@TheGrossDemon exactly I completely agree with you, but let’s take the looks out of it for just a minute. Yes they do matter. They do matter a great deal but even worse is this condescending arrogant personality and please don’t tell me you’re one of the ones that buy her fake rehabbed oh I love snow white now image because I don’t and just because she’s being quiet now that’s not gonna last trust me that’s not gonna last she’ll find a way to run her mouth again.
They should have a Disney Heroine line! One that includes amazing female characters that aren’t official princesses. Esmeralda, Jim Hawkin’s freakin mom, Mulan, Jane, Wendy, Alice, Kida ect.
I wouldn't be opposed to that. Don't forget Megara!
I agree that Ariel should have stayed white, I never related to her because she looks like me physically, I admire her for her passion, I love that she isn't afraid to bring a fresh perspective to over a decade of prejudice and finally dissolving it, I love that for all her passion and quirks, she's still able to be demure and sweet. I have her barbie doll ever since I was 10, with her beautiful pure red hair and blue eyes, and I watched The Little Mermaid as a kid for over 100 times, to the point that I remember every single line in the movie and the way that every single line was said.
I don't need the character to look like me physically to love that character, if my preference was set by Disney's logic today, I should love Mulan more, but I didn't. And it was because I never needed the character to look like me when deciding what characters I should love, Disney or whatever else.
I agree that Emma shouldn't have been cast as Belle, but I also feel that Disney shouldn't have done live action remake of the animated version in the first place, Emma herself wasn't bad at acting, she had years of experience in acting before she was cast as Belle. But when an experienced actress or actor is being given a bad script, it's nearly impossible to expect that he or she will perform well and it will look like she was only going through the motions because she was given a horrible script to begin with. Disney can't expect a movie to succeed with only great actresses, they also need a great script fit for the actresses, and Disney was lacking in the great script part.
The death of Bambi's mother was shown off screen, we heard the gunshot, but we didn't see any blood splatter, that was enough to know that Bambi's mother died. If Bambi's mother didn't die, then we wouldn't have the story of Bambi searching for his father, which means if Disney don't want kids to see that Bambi's mother died and excluded that part, then the second half of the story where he set off to find his father would never exist, even if that exists, it would never make sense as to why he needed to set off and find his father. The reason why he needed to find his father in the book and the animated version was obvious, he lost his mother, who was supposed to be the one by his side until he can live on his own, male deer don't usually join the female to nurse the young, but because Bambi wasn't a grown deer when his mother died, he still needed support, that was why he set off to find his father.
It's really interesting to me that other non-Disney adaptations of stories didn't change the characters' race when doing the adaptation while also focusing on good writing of stories succeeded, and their stories are popular, but now Disney is doing the complete opposite of the successful things done by other studios and yet they still expect the audience to pay and watch their dumpster fire.
While it is great to identify with a character we love for their theme or personality who also happens to look similar to the way we do, I agree that it is not entirely necessary. Maybe I'll do a video on it someday, but part of the reason why Black people typically do better with having representation available is because we grow up in a world where we are not seen as the beauty standard. Even though we, too, have been in this country since the very inception of it, we are still seen as second-class citizens. Same with Native Americans. When you are foundational to this land, yet you are not represented equally, it makes you feel like you still kind of don't belong...like you're a plus-one that should be happy just to exist in America. Even though we were born/raised here and our lineage has been in America as well since its creation, some of us have ancestral ties to this land long before the colonizers came. I am actually part Native American in addition to being mostly Black. While I don't particularly see myself in Pocahontas because I wasn't raised culturally as a Native (I was raised in African American culture), I do still feel loosely connected. The advantage of being white is that they never have to look too far for a character that not only has their favorite personality and set of morals and beliefs, but they also get the added benefit of that character being even more like them because of the way their skin looks. So someone can be a kind and oblivious bookworm like Belle, but also, she's white. And then an extra score if the fan also happens to be brunette. We don't have that luxury. We MUST look to the white characters. Let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with pedestalizing a white character that you love because you love them for who they are. MANY characters that I love are white. Yes, I didn't have many options for other races that simultaneously aligned with my interests, but I still gravitate to characters like Cinderella, Belle, Ardyn Izunia, Sorey, Riku/Aqua/Marluxia, and so many others. At a young age, I didn't realize that I internalized whiteness as the "leader". Now that I'm older, I really wish I had more representation available as a kid, especially as a Black male. But I'm not a kid anymore, and I have broken the spell of seeing whiteness as the lead and 'main character' of the world.
Whew, sorry that was long lol.
@WondrousJoJo Yeah, I agree it’s natural to want the characters to look like you physically as a bonus, but it’s not entirely necessary, and it would be great if we have more different representation that aren’t forced for the kids. I guess that never occurred to me because I grew up with one of the most popular stories in my culture being mainly about a monkey and not human to begin with.
I hope Disney really sees that what they’re doing right now don’t really serve the fans, I once heard a performer said that when you’re on stage, you make choices that’s best for the stage and best for the fans, and I think that making movies is the same in that regard, when making movies, directors and the storytellers need to make decisions that serve all fans. It will take effort to know what fans really want before they’re being steered in the right direction, but it is part of being successful.
When fans want fun, new stories, new characters, and they give us boring stories with not as fun characters, it just sucks the fun out of everything.
Girl I was 100% with you until you got to Bambi’s mother’s death… it is 100% ILLEGAL to hunt and kill a breeding doe! It’s even more egregious because she had a fawn near by which illegal, you are only supposed to hunt male deers, bucks!
So even if you don’t feel bad it wasn’t even LEGAL for him to do which is the saddest part of it all!
You gave me an education today about deer laws! 🙂
That depends on the area you live in. You can buy doe tags. But deer hunting season is usually in the fall and it did appear that the hunter in Bambi was hunting out of season making it illegal.
The thing with Bambi is that we have to consider that It came out in 1942. A very different time period than the now in all aspects.
Before Bambi there was this unspoken emotional 'distance' between humans and animals to a point. We barely considered animals to be on a level of relatability same as ours because ... well they aren't human. As you stated, deer and other prey animals are hunted down all the time. Happened back then too, and people didn't really batch an eye because they knew it happened.
We also need to take into account that Bambi was one of the first animated movies Disney produced, the 6th to be precise. Therefore we had never before experienced the death of a parent character in animation before. Yes, Bambis mom is the first disney parent to be killed off. That already is quite the feat and explaining why it was such a shock.
But the main thing here is that the relationship between Bambi and his mom is portrayed so warm, cozy and wonderfull. They talk, anthropomorphing then and easier to relate to, while still behaving like deer. They even fake us out the first time the hunters approach the herd of deer and Bambi, his dad and his mother escape.
Then the 2nd time comes, and this time they are less lucky. Out of the complete blue, Bambi's mom disappears out of frame and an ear piercing gunshot is heard. This is exactly what shocked people to the core. It was the unexpected. We knew this happens all the time, but this time we actually got to see it. And when you see it, it's a whole different thing.
People were so torn apart by her death that an interest in animal rights sparked from it.
I LOVE BELLE her and jasmine were my favs!
Ariel should have definitely had a more accurate actress
I grew up with Jasmine. Aladdin was one of the few Disney movies I watched in my childhood. I'm sure I wore that VHS out! Lol
@@WondrousJoJo I just love original Disney sm! I still have my childhood jasmine doll! I loved her because I’m Arab like her!
Thank you for sharing your very valid opinions.
I agree with Ariel but any time I mention anything as a white woman, I get the racist card thrown at me.
I hate the idea of hunting especially deer so I do get upset at all of it. HOWEVER the saddest parent death to me by far is Littlefoot’s mother from The Land Before Time.
Thank you for continuing to call out Emma Watson. I hated her as Belle in all ways.
Mulan is a badass but not a princess. She’s a Heroine. I think Megara has more valid status as a “princess” by being with a Demi-God same as Eilonwy and Kida. Love Jane too! Queen of the Jungle!
Hot take if they changed Tiana, Jasmine & Moana to white gurls for the live action films people would’ve been mad
Lol, that is a pretty spicy take, yes. The issue would be that their race actually plays a crucial part in who they are and their story. Tiana experiences racism and sexism as a black woman. She also had to ride in the back of the bus during the Jim Crow era, and the music she sings is literally drenched in black culture, lol. You literally CANNOT change her to white because a white woman would not have gone through those trials and tribulations.
For Moana, indigenous white islanders were not a thing until colonization. And even then, they weren't indigenous. If you change them to white, that would literally make no sense. The Ancient Polynesian culture is so strong in that movie that a white presence in that film just wouldn't make sense.
Jasmine...is a slightly different story. The stories her movie was based on were written in Arabic. Her ethnicity is all over the place. Some say Chinese, Disney makes her Arab/Muslim... who really knows. If you look to a world map for "the middle east", those aren't really places where white people are indigenous. It's like Northern Africa and then over the Red Sea, and then China is farther off. Those people are typically more brown-skinned. Plus, people already were upset that they cast a lighter-skinned woman to be Jasmine.
So, yeah, people would be very upset... but rightfully so. At least with Ariel, her race has nothing to do with the story or culture. The ocean kingdom is fictional and has no human race/ethnicity attached to it. So, it really isn't the same as changing Tiana, Jasmine, or Moana to white. I believe Disney should just keep everyone as they are and focus on new material that we can all love.
@@WondrousJoJo exactly this was very well said. Disney race swopped to pander & get the internet talking. I’m all for diversity and seeing new black characters. Ariel was introduced to us as a white girl so it was just bizzare that they switched her race. But whatever, no matter how many times I try to explain this they still don’t understand where I’m coming from lol
i absolutely hate when y'all play dumb and say ridiculous things like that because the story takes place way in the past about very specific cultures in a very specific time period. please stop playing dumb. why would a blonde haired blued eyed women be the sultans daughter in historic middle east while the story that has nothing to do being invaded? what white culture has tigers representing their country or has those outfits they have and etc? like come on. your being disingenuous now. you don't have a valid argument until disney makes a story about white peoples culture in a specific time period with white specific stories. like brave. that is very specific to historic white irish culture. the issue is MOST of the time when white people are main characters they just tell human stories. meaning that it has nothing to do with culture or tradition. so they can be easily swapped out with anybody from anywhere. but when they tell stories about minorities they specifically make it about their culture and traditions. but i don't understand why y'all pretend to not acknowledge this. i absolutely hate it when people play dumb. it bugs me to no end.
@@phillinsogood there have been plenty of minority characters race swapped to white and they never got this much hate so please stop the cap. avatar the last airbender is one prime example. people weren't happy they made all the lead characters white, well all white except for the bad guys. but no one spend years harassing those white kids telling then to kill themselves and saying racist things and making racist memes and such. and fyi, i watched ALL of the yt videos of people roasting that horrible airbender movie. and the vast majority of the videos was roasting the actual movie not the people. they got over the race swapping because it wasn't the actors fault and you just gotta live with it and move on. but y'all will NEVER keep the same energy when the roles were reversed. I hate to break it to you but a minority playing a traditionally white character IS THE WHAT IF. not the other way around. A book I LOVED called samarai girl was made into a tv movie and most of the characters were asian and guess what they did, only the main character was asian. they race swapped everyone to white. which was weird cuz them being asian was actually important to the story. i.e. the title explains it all. and people were mad but we got over it because they already made the movie and we roasted the hell out of the actual show. and there has been shows and movies with race swapping but it turned out to actually be good but people just didn't wanna admit being the hate in their hearts wouldn't let them. now i'm done ranting.
@ShantesTravelThings Nice job! I like your point about how many white-dominated tales are typically just normal stories that aren't engrossed in a solid traditionally white culture like The Little Mermaid or Cinderella. Also, that was an awesome example with Brave! If Merida was changed to any other race, that would be disrespectful.
Unpopular? I dunno, all your points make sense to me... Might make Twitter mad, but Twitter's always mad lol
Speaking of, I rarely use my account. Maybe I should so that any of my subscribers who want to share posts with me or give me topic ideas can share tweets with me. Hmm....
My problem with so much of the “representation“ nowadays is that is just so shallow. They’ll change the race of a character or label them as LGBT, but there’s no depth to their personality or experience otherwise. And I think the focus so much on the “identity“ of a character as a means of representation overlooks the fact that you can identify with a character for other reasons like their personality, experiences, habits, traits, etc. For example, I’m a person of color, but I always loved and identified with Belle because she loved to read just as much as I did, I even grew up to be a librarian, lol.
Yup. When they do surface-level "representation" like that, it comes off as disingenuous and a soulless cash grabs.
i'm confused on what you mean. if they change the race or sexuality of the character but kept that characters personality traits and you still hated it, then that mean you believe the original character also has no depths or personality. because all they changed was who they liked or the color of their skin but everything else stayed exactly the same. what you really meant to say is you do not like the race swapping and am big mad about it and you wish they for some strange reason talked about race in a retelling that originally had nothing to do with race. but the catch is if they actually did that, you would be mad they put race into a story that originally race didn't matter. which means the race swapping also doesn't matter to the story. 😅 lol thats a full circle.
@@ShantesTravelThings I’m not “big mad” about race swapping and never said I hated the character. Like the creator of the video responded to my comment, I agree that the race swapping is often disingenuous and a cash grab because they know many people go for that sort of thing. I actually think Halle did a good job, but can also acknowledge that Disney is trying hard to seem progressive, which comes off as performative since the only reason behind it is profit.
I’m gonna give my own unpopular Disney opinion these actresses especially the ones that played Ariel and are going to place Snow White. They knew good and damn well that they weren’t right for these rules but they took them anyway why so they could turn around and play victim when people call them out on their crap.
So as far as Bambi’s mom goes its sad because the animation anthropomorphized the animals. In real life nature is brutal and most animals don’t really have a concept of family/grieving death in the same way humans do. So loosing a mom is sad for people. For most animals loosing a mom isn’t so much “oh I am so sad about this” as it is “well… Im screwed. Wonder who’s adopting”. The animation just makes it easier to project our human feelings onto the characters.
In regards to Mulan, I've seen Chinese historical fantasies that were actually made in China where the Emperor has appointed the title of princess to women who have no ties to royalty. I've even seen some declare them as adopted daughters. I know the movie didn't actually do that, but, given how she was acknowledged, it's kind of interesting.
Okay so let’s get into the whole race swapping..I personally am not against race swapping but her being black literally felt like something they did for shock value rather than to be progressive I get your perspective but I wish they would have kept her interesting…I think Halle is beautiful and a amazing singer but her charisma dose not shine through as Ariel…..for example Annabeth Chase played by Leah Jeffries in the Live action Tv Show-Percy Jackson is a great casting because she brings the character to life and has great chemistry with the cast. I think it’s less about Halle’s race and more about her acting ability. If she were a better actor she could have sold us on Ariel but she simply didn’t…also the iconic red hair would have helped as well. Like so many people were upset about Leah being cast but every single character looks differently than there book counterpart..meanwhile in the little mermaid every single character looks like the cartoon counterpart EXCEPT Ariel and I that is a big problem…if your going to change appearances do it across the board not just for shock value/publicity stunt as you said…also Bridgerton does this as well bc they swap out a lot of characters for example the Queen, The Duke and many others and you see how successful and beloved that show is…in my opinion if the race swapping happens it has to be a majority of characters if not all..to be successful because than it’s viewed as its own thing and not just one character done for headlines. Also Disney gave us great LGBTQ representation in Strange World. I loved how the son was gay and no one in the movie made a big fuss not even grandad! That’s good representation and will make young people feel safe coming out to their elderly in the future. And I loved the way they did it! I think representation is important. But Ariel felt forced and I didn’t like it. Also I love Tiana! ❤ Great Take!
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I will defend Lefou (live action) because of how they developed his character. He wasn’t an idiot like the original. He had a conscience and I loved how they added “I see there is a beast. That is no question, but I feel the wrong one has been released” regarding Gaston. I think that is huge to see in a live action. Seeing how Lefou idolized this man, but as he gradually pulled back the layers and saw how awful he was went against him.
As for representation, I am glad they did not make Lefou a one note goofy sidekick like the original movie did. But they shouldn’t have it hyped like they did.
For continuing this subject, Artie from Cruella, people were discussing him being on the “Disney’s first gay character” tier list. Unpopular opinion, I loved his character. I like how the actor played him and I liked how Cruella picked people she can identify with and trust to be on her team.
I felt Artie bought charm and humor to the film and his character and I smile every time he showed up on screen.
I think it’s simply because Elionwey and Kida just don’t sell well with kids. If you go back into the princess line up Esmeralda, Tinkerbell, and Megara Were all featured along the girls who made the cut today. Over time they were removed-
Tinkerbells reason was because she got her own series in the form of “Disney’s Fairies” while Esmeralda and Megara don’t have an explanation but it’d be safe to assume they just weren’t as popular. The Princess line up isn’t picked based on anything related to their actual title as royalty but rather based on who fits a certain criteria, we still don’t know exactly if it’s sales or not but there has to be a reason for some characters to make the cut and for some to not.
It would be nice to see the actual princesses featured alongside each other but the title Princess doesn’t really mean anything in the brand. Disney also made a statement at some point saying Mulan counted because she preformed “an act of heroism/bravery” which is a lazy justification since again Esmeralda exists. The statement was made in some 2021 Disney Princess thing for “Princess Week”
Really? This was 2021?? And I agree, that's a super lazy explanation for Mulan. If all it takes is for a female to be brave or heroic; Asha united all of Rosas. Esmeralda helped to liberate her people. Megara DIED for the man she loved even after having experienced past trauma with men. Tinkerbell nearly died, saving Peter Pan from a bomb.
I think Disney needs to make specific criteria for what a DP is because if not, they'll upset or confuse so many fans who love some of their best female characters that may seem like they fit the unofficial criteria.
@@WondrousJoJo unfortunately I doubt Disney would ever do it. The line up is made to primarily sell toys, in its own way it’s a genius marketing strategy by selling newer princesses alongside older ones so kids who like Moana would want Snow White too since she’s being sold alongside her. From a more critical standpoint the lineup has never really made much sense, the whole brand was made from the idea of selling costumes. I am curious since Disney has Been pushing out some new dolls of characters like Esmeralda, Megara, Wendy, Alice, and Tinkerbell again that it could mean they’re testing the waters with them once more. I feel like the line up could use some more variety with characters like Kida but I would really like to see Sally from the nightmare before Christmas since she does get with “the pumpkin king”. Monster High is a large doll brand so I wonder why Sally was never marketed in toys as much. The criteria that exists has to be based on something to do with audience appeal, I would assume that maybe the characters had stuff planned but got cut because kids weren’t drawn to them in play testing or something like that
I didn't know that Disney has released newer dolls from the older movies like Meg and Esmeralda! I'm curious to see what they look like. I'll look them up. I'd like to see Kida and Alice brought back, too. Especially Kida. I'm not the biggest fan of Atlantis: The Lost Empire, but I do like their depiction of the Atlanteans as people of color because I feel like that's most accurate. Historically, media loves making Atlantis and Atlanteans all white, which just doesn't really make sense.
Anyway, we'll see where Disney wants to go with this in the future.
Yeah no, Mulan counts because she was actually the central character to the movie she was being featured in. Hell, her name was the title. Esmeralda was not the central character of the movie she was in, Quasimodo was. Same with Meg - Hercules was the central character, not Meg. It's not lazy to show a female character that was the center point of her actual movie. That's one of the few sensical decisions Disney has made. I also don't think Esmeralda's acts were on the same level as a woman like Mulan who defied the very limits of what was even possible at the time. A little insane it's being dismissed like this in the comments.
@@WondrousJoJo the official, unofficial rules to be a disney princess
1) must play a central role in a Disney or Pixar film and must not be introduced in a sequel.
2) Must be royal by birth or marriage/Do a heroic deed(Mulan)
3) Must be human/human-looking(Ariel)
4) Film must neither be a flop(Eilonwy/Kida) nor an absolute hit (Ana/Elsa: Frozen was made into their own thing)
Pretty much agree with everything, especialy in the exploitation. It's one thing to recast a character when you are doing a retelling or a remake of a film that hasn't aged well, but the OG Little Mermaid still is a great pice of cinema to this day. So live action Ariel is still the same Ariel but worst because the movie is worst, largly because they butchered the main character
I disagree on the Diseny Princess definition however. By now I have accepted that Diseny Princess it's just a marketing name and they'll shove everyone in there as long as they know it will make them money. Case and point after Pochaontas' movie started to be viewed negativly, she started to be excluded in the main line-up. They still give her dolls and stuff but when it comes to "Generic Pretty Pink things to slap a princess' face on top" she is always excluded.
Which I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing... because if on one hand that film didn't age well in the rappresentation department, I feel it's not as bad as peopole make it out to be since at the end of the day it still sends a good message (aka COLLONIALISM IS *BAD*) even if it stumbles more than a bit along the way. Guess it's a matter of personal sensitivity...
I agreed with all of this! Emma Watson was a bad Belle and Ariel was all around a bad remake. Bambi was only sad because the deer were humanized - speaking, living in a family unit, crying. Irl people have a harder time relating to animals because they don't behave like us.
Regarding the word "woke" it has evolved so much I dont think it can be used in its original context again. The swastika used to be an indian religious icon but no one would ever use it that way because it's now so heavily associated with nazism. There's so many other words like "hot" as attractive not a physical sensation or "drag" as an insult that are not being used as originally intended. You can't close pandoras box.
You're right about Pandora's box...ugh. Well, maybe the usage will die out within the next few years or so.
Hi JoJo. I agree with most of the stuff that you said in the video, especially that Emma Watson shouldn't of been casted to play Belle. Her acting wasn't that good. It felt like she was just going through the motions in some scenes. Like during the Be Our Guest song in Beast's castle, she didn't look delighted or happy to be their guest when the original Belle would of been.
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Yes, thank you for understanding where I'm coming from with that topic. I should have used the cards in the video so that people can watch my other videos that were mentioned, like my Beauty and the Beast Remake video. Maybe I'll go back and do that.
@@WondrousJoJo What other actresses do you think would of been better as Belle?
...but, but, I do cry for deer. I don't like that they're hunted🥺
Also, it was sad for me when his mom died. I did cry, and made me love my mom more I didn't fully understand the concept of death yet when I first watched it. So it was scary for me. (I'm not watching the remake, hate them all)
Agree with so many points! I missed you and really enjoyed the recent Cinderella video! Some of my thoughts;
Disney adults can be loco.
The Little Mermaid- I was pro-Hailey initially when I heard her sing in the trailer and saw all the racist comments/memes online. But really I now agree they should've cast a white young lady since the movie was based on the animated version.
I saw Bambi when I was like 3-4 years old, so it was pretty sad to me. Dumbo was worse though. I refused to watch the live-action Beauty and The Beast primarily because I hated the casting of Emma Watson. Alba Baptista would have been PERFECT for the role.
Thank you so much!! I always appreciate it! 😊
The thing for Mulan and Kida (Fav princess AND voiced by Cree❤) is that you have to remember disney is a corporation and money is what's important. Mulan made money, Atlantis didn't make enough to push Kida merch. Movie didn't do well so "kids won't want to buy her".
(Aurora is my fav princess in the line tho. All the animals and I loved her voice. Her whole life was fake...thats tough, she suddenly burdened with huge responsibilities. Also they pushed cuz there wasnt a lot of princesses at the time 🫤)
Mulan was actually the central character of her movie, much like Ariel and Belle. Kida was not, she was a supporting character to the main character Milo. So it's not accurate to compare Mulan to Kida in the context of what Disney chooses to advertise.
@@twocanplay7976 And yet disney didn't feel the need to push merch of Kida since "nobody" saw her and there wasn't "a demand for her". I remember more merch for Nala and Megara two supporting characters to the main character to movie successes. I would've loved a doll of her as a child. I had a Meg doll and few toys(?) and other merch of her and Nala toys. Do not remember having anything of Kida, or Atlantis either. Jus like Treasure Planet, merch was not pushed, disney didn't care to push merch and they let it fail. (Also Jasmine is a supporting character but she's in the princess line up)
I feel that now woke is basically associated with pandering if you think about it. I think you were on the right track with saying its politically motivated. Its used when a character is inserted or changed to check boxes in this context
I remember a time when being woke was actually a good thing, and now the word has morphed into some thing ugly.
Sick of that stupid word 2. Smh.
Just like they ruined the term "Karen". Anyone out here can be a "Karen" now. They drastically muddied the meaning of what an actual Karen is and does. True Karens are very dangerous women in society... not just some mean and entitled punks.
So the Princess Line initially thought of and was started back in Dec. 1999 coming out unofficially in 2000 I believe 🤔(someone correct me if I'm wrong)
"Standing in line in the arena [of a Disney on Ice show], I was surrounded by little girls dressed head to toe as princesses...They weren't even Disney products. They were generic princess products they'd appended to a Halloween costume. And the light bulb went off. Clearly, there was latent demand here. So the next morning I said to my team, "O.K., let's establish standards and a color palette and talk to licensees and get as much product out there as we possibly can that allows these girls to do what they're doing anyway: projecting themselves into the characters from the classic movies."
-Mooney, on his creation of the Disney Princess franchise as reported by The New York Times.
Gotta make that money 🤑 (Also believe that this is when Cinderella dress turned blue. Thanks a lot Mooney😑)
The official, unofficial Rules to be a disney princess
1) must play a central role in a Disney or Pixar film and must not be introduced in a sequel.
2) Must be royal by birth or marriage/Do a heroic deed(Mulan)
3) Must be human/human-looking(Ariel, to bad Nala)
4) Film must neither be a flop(Eilonwy/Kida) nor an absolute hit (Ana/Elsa: frozen is its own thing)
You actually taught me a little somethin'-somethin'. I didn't know about this history of how the princess line came to be. Thank you!
And if Mooney is responsible for Cinderella's dress color change, then: 👹!!
@@WondrousJoJo oh, heh😅 I've heard bout this years back and the criteria. It's jus been a while so I can't remember where everything is, 😬 like I have no proof on the dress, but I swear I read somewhere that they didn't want it to be white/silver because it looked too much like a wedding dress and they...didn't wanna give that to little girls...the heck?! I guess. 🤨
Was wondering why Ana and Elsa weren't, turns out that they are worth more alone. I think that's when I found out about the official-unofficial rules...about 2014?
The king has returned! Yassss! So I’m going to spend most of this comment talking about official Disney princesses since that’s the thing that interests me. I haven’t uploaded a video in so so long but I did make one on MY list of what should be considered Disney princesses. By definition a princess is a daughter of a king/queen or married to a royal like prince/king. And with that comes so many what ifs and situations. Do we count sequels? If so then Ariel is now a Disney QUEEN, not a princess and her daughter takes over the spot. If we don’t count sequels then certain characters who fill in representative qualities don’t get to shine, like the three princesses from Mulan 2. So let’s pretend to make this easy that the sequels just don’t exist, the list should have: Snow White, Cinderella, TigerLily, Aurora, Faline, Maid Marion(big maybe), Eilonwy, Ariel and all her sisters, Atta(if Merida counts even though she’s Pixar then bugs life characters count too!), Tiana, Rapunzel, Sofia, Elena, Anna(sort of), Merida, and Raya. Now you might have noticed a few characters cut out or missing or not named that’s because I don’t count queens, and for this no sequels(though I did in my list), and strictly kept it to royal not royal-like or daughters of chiefs. Which makes you confused as to why I excluded Pocahontas and Moana but not Tigerlily that is because Tigerlily is referred to as a princess by her own people. In the movies for Pocahontas and Moana they specifically go out of their way to not use the phrase princess, in fact Moana denies it. There is no “same difference” it is very different. They only added Pocahontas and Moana for the same reason they added Mulan, for diversity points. I also do something no one else does and count animals or human-like animals. Maid Marion is the only one who I would say may or may not be because she’s the niece of a king so she’s royal but idk what she is. Anna becomes a queen in the sequel thus the asterisk of sort of, Frozen is it’s own monster not attached to the princess line. What Disney should do with the ones deemed not good enough, the outcasts if you will, is make a Heroines line up. The boxes can be purple to offset the pink of princess and they can make accompanying blue boxes for Disney Heroes/princes which was actually something they planned on doing if Disney fairies was well received. It kind of lost its momentum and didn’t make buckets of money so they didn’t keep it around even though the fandom thrives to this day.
On the subject of gay pandering, LGBT member here ✋🏾 representing the very much misunderstood B, and I’ve always abhorred Lefou in general, he’s a total Fop Flop. Which means he’s a failure at being any representation for queer or gay people, the best he can be is overtly overly queer to the point of mockery. He’s one step away from doing the limp wrist thing. Flamboyancy is only one subsect of queerness, but has often been used to make fun of us as if we are all flaming Elton John gay when some of us are understated but still loud and proud. It was insulting on many levels and if I can find time I will make a video on it! Thanks again for your passion and fire, it drives people like me who create and the others who just love you for you love you even more! Ignore the haters and keep on being you! We stan you, King. ❤️ 👑
Thank you!!! It's really an honor to have a community of people who are kind, understanding, and respectful. If I truly inspire others through my own inspired expressions, then that makes me feel like an awesome content creator. I appreciate the love and support. And you, specifically, show up to every video! Haha, thank you!
While reading, I was like, "Who TF is Faline?" LOL. I looked that name up and was like "Oh...she has an official name" 😂. I always called her "that girl deer from Bambi," lol!! I know that's bad, but I never knew she had a name. I've only ever watched Bambi like once, maybe twice. I'm not sure if adding animals to the line would be very marketable for Disney. I doubt girls would choose Nala or Faline over a melodic mermaid with long red hair or a princess with bodacious curls with a dress that can be either blue or pink. Plus, I'm not sure how parents would feel about their daughters emulating and dressing up as animals, haha. I'm not saying kids wouldn't or don't also enjoy the animal characters, but I feel like most people aren't aspiring to be like them when they grow up. Maybe their character and morals, yes. I just feel like human characters are the most relatable because they're in the same form that we are in while experiencing whatever they're going through. I love the character Nuka from the 2nd Lion King, and I cried when he died. I could totally relate to him as a character. BUT, he isn't as close to my heart as he could be if he were human. In fact, I hadn't thought about him for a very long time until I started responding to your comment. Though, I never wanted to BE like Nuka... I just related to him. Speaking of all of this, I do think Disney should have made a line for boys as well. If they had, it wouldn't have taken until Aladdin to get a main human male animated character that was of reasonable depth and substance. Prior to Aladdin, the men were...well...bland. They had 0 personality and were just used as an end goal for the princess. People try to criticize how men did all the work and women were just damsels....but that isn't the whole story. Men were lacking as well and served no real meaningful purpose most of the time other than being another check-off on her list. But now, we have better examples. Other than Aladdin, we have Tarzan (can be seen as a wildlife activist and conservator), and I guess Milo can kind of fall into that as well, and he's a geeky/nerdy Explorer who never gave up on his dreams, even when everyone thought he was wasting his time. Eugene/Flynn is kind of weak, IMO, but he does show that it's better to be an honest person with integrity instead of a shady and vain thief. Kuzco learns to care about other people other than himself and to stop being such a narcissist. Naveen learns to actually love and settle down and control his partying and opulent ways. And of course, there are many other examples!
And finally, I think they should have left LeFou the same. The change was stupid and left everyone confused. They should have just saved their "debut" for Strange World instead. The representation was much more meaningful.
It’s not about people trying to “justify” Mulan’s inclusion in the Disney Princess lineup, it’s the fact that Disney themselves consider Mulan to be a “Disney Princess”…so officially, by definition, she is one.
If there are no concrete rules, qualifications, or guidelines on what that means, then the title "Princess" doesn't really mean anything. It would just be a fancy and arbitrary title.
@@WondrousJoJo There have NEVER been any rules, qualifications, guidelines etc…just whichever characters Disney decides to include in their official lineup, and Mulan is one of them. Go look up dolls, clothes or any other kind of merchandise of Mulan, almost all of it will have “Disney Princess” on the box/packaging. She’s been included in the lineup since the early 2000’s, there is so much evidence of it.
I agree with you on the term woke. People are overusing it to the point it making it a meaningless buzzword. Which is a shame because there are some solid criticisms of "that" type of material. But when you start using that word it makes it harder to get across the REAL issue because the meaning is lost. It's a placeholder/filler word that leaves people unable to articulate the real problems at hand.
I love hearing your “unpopular opinions”. I think one of the worst tragedies of the 2020s is how the majority people today have lost the ability to debate, and do solid research support their opinions with facts. The Information Age is so lazy. It’s all about who has the “best” or “right” opinions. Reasoning is emotional, not logical. Everyone is in competition, and unpopular opinions become the match to start of bonfire or arguing and flaming, not debating. I’m guilty of it myself. I have my favs, and I want my favs and my opinions to be right 24/7. And that’s just impossible. It’s frankly arrogant. And it makes it hard to listen to other people’s opinions and engage with different possibilities. Works of art become good/bad and best/worst instead of the multi-faceted philosophical crafted works they are. Everything needs to have an agenda (mostly commercial), and that’s pretty exhausting. I think Disney of old was better in touch with the spirit of creativity, exploration, and storytelling. Disney today is a factory of commercialism. It lost its heart. Not everything, but most of the things I see coming from them now. Earlier Disney and renaissance Disney were more experimental, joyful, and filled with pathos. Characters weren’t afraid to fall in love, and even though love and romantic love isn’t everything, I’d rather see a story about love (romantic, familial, platonic, and national) than about a character who takes over the world and becomes the best of the best of the best. That’s me. As a Disney Adult. I miss the romance (poetic sense) of Disney, and I believe words matter. Thanks for explaining the origins of “woke” btw. I had no idea.
In my opinion I felt there were two other disney characters worthy of being a princess yet they were not chosen, Nala and Megara. Nala was a strong character, she left the pride lands searching for food or help to save her family and friends from Scar's poor leadership. She called Simba out on his attitude and tried to get him to come home, she stood by him in the hyena attack, was a great character yet all because she was an animal she wasn't a disney princess and I felt that was unfair. As for Meg, she was a relatable character, sassy, yet fun she saved Hercules and helped him become a god again, yet for some reason she wasn't a princess. Hear me out Zeus is known as King of the Gods, Hercules is his son, so technically Hercules would be considered royalty, Meg gets with Hercules so in my opinion that makes her a princess, yet sadly she didn't get the title. As for the Bambi thing, I think people cry in the movie because we gave "human" characteristics to an animal. Bambi talks, he learns about the world has friends he cares for, what started off as a normal day for him, resulted in his mother's death, it's like a human child living with their single parent only for that parent to be taken away by something the child doesn't understand, being raised by someone they never met. In reality however we view other deer as food, we have to kill them to sadly survive, which is why i think when someone shoots a deer they don't cry or care because that is life, they shoot the deer to survive. As for the Ariel casting, in the book the original little mermaid was blonde, I heard they gave Ariel red hair to stand out better. I personally don't care about remakes so I don't really have an opinion on the casting choice, my critique is if the person can play the character I remember as accurately as they can (this includes singing) So the actress playing Ariel was okay her voice was amazing the clips I saw her play as Ariel was okay so she did okay, Emma Watson just failed at playing Belle in every way, I could literally do many videos on why i dislike the live action beauty and the beast so I am just going to say Emma Watson should not have been given the role, she did a poor job. That's all I have to say so keep up the good work.
I think there's a strong case that can be argued about Meg being a legit Disney Princess. Nala... I mean... she is a queen, yes...and I guess maybe a princess if she is secretly Mufasas daughter (but covered up for younger audiences who wouldn't understand the animal world in relation to humans/monogamy). The thing is... she isn't really all that marketable as an animal. She doesn't wear clothes and doesn't have human characteristics like a hairstyle/color. I don't think people want to emulate a talking lion. That's not to say that she isn't a good example because she actually is. I personally liked how her character was adventurous and bold, and she had just as much spirit and spunk as Simba as a female character, and I LOVED that! That may have been in part because young Nala was voiced by a black girl, lol.
As for Bambi, yeah, he was definitely humanized. I'm sure that did play a huge part in it.
Kida, Esmeralda (who was included once) and Elonwy.
I never heard the word “woke” used in its intended porpoise. It just turned into something similar but more exaggerated. And I think it’s fine to use it that way. People understand it.
People have taken a word with specific meaningful and cultural context and turned it into something else entirely. That reduces the meaning and importance of the word, and what's worse, it has a negative connotation now. The word is supposed to describe a state of awareness and vigilance, especially in terms of the "isms" that black people face. It's a very applicable and relevant word for the Black experience.
This is just like the term "Karen". It was also a black term that meant a white woman who knows her power in society and used it to cause intentional harm or death to BIPOC people. America took it and watered it so far down that now people just think it's an entitled or mean woman.
Agreed with everything you said, especially the choice for casting Emma Watson as Belle, and that Mulan isn't technically a princess. I mean she does get a lot of cover and attention, so the fact that she's not a princess is very small in the grand scheme of things.
The AI images though 😭 I'm sorry but I had to say it, they look SO bad in an otherwise great video 😭
Lol, it's ok to say that. It was my first time using it, and I wanted to see if it could help. When it came to images of "crazy Disney fans," that is a very difficult image to find in nature. Most people argue over their phones and computers and on social media, so obtaining an image to reflect that is difficult, if not impossible. Same with 'anti-wokers'... how do you find a picture of that?? Like, what exactly does that look like? 😄😅 I will admit, though, the fawn picture was probably unnecessary. I should have just used a picture of Bambi himself. I don't know why I didn't...I really have no clue why.
@@WondrousJoJo Haha, I get it, personally I find it very relatable when someone uses a stock photo with the watermark still on it, but that's just me 😂
I don’t know if you’ve seen Hannah Dodd in season three of Bridgerton, but in so many scenes she’s a dead ringer for Belle.
I looked her up just now. I can see it working just based on looks alone. I don't know anything about her resumé or acting skills, though.
10:51 IRL, deer are not anthropomorphic. It really is that simple. We as humans emotionally connect to other humans and are only able to connect to animals when we make parts of them human in our minds. We see human personality traits in dogs, cats, birds, fish, goats, cows, horses, and so on and all have a common characteristic: humans changed them to be useful to or part of human society via domestication. Deer are just things to us because they're outsiders, so most feel nothing about them.
On the princess thing, Disney designates certain girls as princess and certain girls as not, and I don't care. I personally exclude Pocahontas from the lineup for a special case: she is a real person, and the real person was 13 when she would have met a, like, 30-year-old John Smith. Because it would have been so squick IRL, I don't bundle Pocahontas into the princess lineup even though as the daughter of the leader of a nation, she would be a princess in the literal sense. The other ones you mention (which for me include Mulan), I would include.
You hit the nail on the head with Bambi. Bambi was literally drawn using baby expressions as references to make him seem more human and cute.
For Belle and Emma Watson, 100% agree. She comes off so Hermoine Granger. I also feel like its a self insert type of situation. Watson wanted to add more of HERSELF to Belle. She didnt really want to embody the Belle from the original.
Disney should have went with an actress who was a stronger singer than Watson. The songs in Beauty and the Beast are part of what make the movie beautiful. I absolutely hated her singing, it felt fake af. They should have found a broadway or broadway quality singer.
Overall, I think Watson called Disney and wanted the role really bad. They just gave in because of who she was. Just my opinion.
I don’t agree with the Belle take because they didn’t give Emma much to work with when it came to the script…like the lines were bad and I think that is because the movie has very little exposition between belle and beast when she gets to the castle in the og movie…the girl literally was talking to cups and furniture because the beast wouldn’t talk to her until about half way through the movie lol
In regards to Bambi, you can still feel sympathy for an animal even though it's regularly killed. As a child, I really didnt know jack about hunting and didnt know anyone who hunted. Most people's first time viewing Bambi was as a child and its sad to see animals die ss a child.
You have the best take on the term "woke" and the lack of conversation about subjects. If you don't see it the way the other side wants, you are dismissed or labeled whatever. I disagree about Bambi. It is more a symbol of loss of innocence than hunting. At least that is why I love it ❤.
Keep on speaking your thoughts and by gum be a dork. You always shine
Thank you!! 🙏🏽
They literally queerbated everyone in the inside out sequel 😭
I just saw the movie, like maybe 45 minutes ago. I'm not really sure how you got that vibe. Maybe I'm just oblivious? I didn't see it.
you're so real for all this
I stumbled over your Video and I must say: THANK YOU!
I agree 100%.
It sucks so mich how other "Wannabe hardcore Disney Fans" treat others who say Ariel should have been white in the Live Action movie. Me Included. And I am white so I got called racist. So I have wished, if they NEED a black mermaid, why not Using the original material, with the tragic ending and giving her another Name like Serena or so. This Movie could have been so great. Maybe they could use the original songs in another context and put new with them. It would have been not so much out of place as they did.
And for Emma Whatson. Another thing that bothered me except for her playing Hermine again as Belle. She Can't sing!!! Paige O Hara was a Broadway Performer, as she recorded Belle. I guess same goes for Jodie Benson. I mean well Emma sounded better as her german dub, but it could be better for a Musical. This is what I hate as a Musical Fan. They Cast people who can't sing in EVERY Musical Movie they Produced in the last 20 Years.
So this Comment got longer then I Intended, but well, Thanks for this Video ❤❤❤
You're very welcome! 💜
I personally don't think I would want to see our first official Black mermaid die and turn into seafoam, lol. That's depressing, especially for a Disney film. I don't want the Black mermaid to go through a story of torture with no happy ending. That's just cruel. 😂
I personally would LOVE a story about a mermaid who is, in her own natural right, an ocean activist. She tries to save the ocean and her sea neighbors (whales, fish, all sorts of sea life) from dying or going extinct in the future due to human destruction, over-fishing, and pollution. Maybe she can fall in love with a human conservator who is also passionate about saving the ocean. Together, they operate in their own respective worlds to help turn the tides of human destruction.
Sidenote: The picture of Skitty is cute, lol. Gen 3 is my favorite generation!
@@WondrousJoJo oh thats a even better Idea! 😁
And for your Sidenote: i have this pic because I Love Gatomon/Tailmon. For Pokemon I love the 2. Generation more, my Favorite Pokemon of them all is Lugia 😁
Sidenote: I love your Sailor Moon Figurines in the background 🥰
@rebeccaschneider5223 Lugia is amazing and one of my favorite legendaries! My favorite Pokémon of all time has been Alakazam since the 3rd grade! I had to have one in my party in every generation I played!
And thank you!! It has been DECADES since I watched Sailor Moon, but I do have almost the entire series on Blu-ray and DVD, and one day, I will rewatch the entire thing! 😁
I suppose some people might find the tragic ending problematic, especially if she is meant to be a source of inspiration and fun for little Black girls---or any little girls, really. Kids, especially young ones, tend to hate sad movies, even if adults find them interesting. If we're talking originality here, I honestly like the idea of something NOT based on the Little Mermaid----hear me out!---I've read plenty of media about mermaids, from webcomics to novels, and an insane amount of it seems to be a rehash of Hans Christian Anderson's fairy tale, or a terrible knockoff of Disney's Little Mermaid. People talk about originality, and what could be more original than a mermaid story NOT based on that fairy tale?
I remember reading a webcomic where a girl (who happened to be Black how convinient for this discussion!), worked at an aquarium, stopped some hooligans taking selfies on top of a tank and accidentally fell into it, and got pulled down with some kind of magic. I guess she was supposed to turn into a mermaid after that, but sadly it was dropped by the creator before the exact logistics of her transformation could be revealed. But I feel like if Disney did a story without any connection to the original, a 'modern fairy tale', it could be excellent if they put the right creatives in charge and didn't meddle too much. Better yet if they don't have it focus on romance, or have it be a minor subplot, because it feels like EVERY story about mermaids I read is about true love!
I feel you on that first point. I think most fandoms are like that. Like when it comes to DC Comics I ship Superman x Wonder Woman. They've always had such a beautiful and deep relationship and it's always been clear that they've had strong romantic feelings for each other that they weren't allowed to act on because of their existing partners(status quo). But if you even MENTION their relationship in the DC fandom you'll get blasted with comments calling them trash and all sorts of accusations. The very act of liking it is considered blasphemy and you'll pretty much be labeled a heretic in any fandom space you go to. For the grand crime of not putting Lois Lane on a pedestal like everyone else. Thing is she's really just not that great and Clark's relationship with Diana is so much better but the fandom will NOT hear anything that isn't relentless praise for Lois. It sucks because it leaves me with so little places to actually sit down and talk about this one thing I love.
Yes, like, what's the point of fighting and disrespecting one another over something that is supposed to bring us all together? Yes, a small minority of people might do or support strange and unethical things (like romantic and sex stuff involving kids), but most people just have appreciation for what personally gravitates them to a show/movie/series/book/media, and want to share and celebrate it.
@@WondrousJoJo Exactly. I understand that we as nerds love to pointlessly debate about shit that no one else cares about. Thats our thing. It's normal and comes with the territory. But straight up disrespecting someone for liking something that you don't is taking it too far and is wildly unnecessary.
I am a major Tiana fan ❤ and that's facts.
#DisneyDiva ❤
I like Tiana too she worked so hard and was so strong. Goals!!
Looking forward to part 2!! ❤Esmeralda will always be a princess to me!
My unpopular Disney opinion is that it’s okay to like “bad” Disney movies for example big hero 6 what is wrong with big hero 6 or Finding Dory? What is wrong with finding dory it seems that so many people snub these movies (I’ll include turning red) because they are not big box office hits like Frozen or Toy Story. I think these movies are great but Big hero 6, turning red, and even Atlantis for that matter are GREAT movies some of my favorite animated movies of all time and why we are at it let’s add Brother Bear-underrated gem..I think these movies have so much charm and nuance that the average viewer just dosen’t under them..also raya and the last dragon got so much hate and for what? Every Disney movie cannot be frozen…I think people criticize Disney unfairly and harshly…all of these so called bad Disney movies are actually amazing and great for kids and adults imo
I personally didn't care all that much for Finding Dory, but I wouldn't call it a bad movie. I personally think Toy Story is overrated, and I checked out after the 2nd one. I loved the first, and the 2nd one was awesome. I got tired of them making them, so I didn't watch 3, and I have no idea what 4 is even about. I thought Atlantis was ok, but I wish we had more time actually IN Atlantis instead of over half the movie being the adventure TO Atlantis (which I get it's hard to do all in 90 minutes). From what I recall, Brother Bear was fine... but I really want Disney/associates to stop turning people of color into non-humans for the sake of story-telling (Princess and the Frog, Soul, Brother Bear, Emperor's New Groove, and now Turning Red). I personally thought Raya was boring, and I never finished it. 😬 I'm not saying it's a bad movie... I just found it boring. Frozen is overrated, IMO.
You have an endearing sense of humor.
Preach it! I agree Political agenda should used. In regard to Bambi, I saw it with my mother and I wasn’t scared or cry. Love your take on these issues ❤
I do agree with some of these takes. And everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you're not hurting anyone, people should not get pissy over some takes that don't align with theirs.
My take is that Disney makes more than enough money to make movies with original black princesses. There is so many stories they could turn into a movie but we get race swapped garbage instead. In my opinion it's just kinda sloppy seconds. I'm Autistic and for me personally I would love to see some good representation. I don't want someone making Cinderella autistic and just tossing that at me. Disney could make something original and bring more attention to black stories and fairy tales with black characters, but no they'd rather give us half-baked stories where the only effort they put in is race swapping characters.
I personally think Halle Bailey is an amazing singer. I didn't like her acting. It kind of reminded me of when I was in theatre and it sounded very half delivered. But she is young so she's still improving on her craft. Everyone else though didn't really have an excuse for being a bad actor. That whole movie was just a mess.
Tiana is one of my favourite princesses because of her hard work and determination and in the end that pays off and I admire her for that. Why can't we have more original and good movies like that? And I'm not saying that movies have to be exact same as their fairy tale counter part, not at all. Because the original Princess and the Frog was so much darker and the princess in it was blonde haired and white. My problem with the Little Mermaid was that this was their own property they were race swapping. If it were an original fairy tale, truth be told I wouldn't care as much because it's a reimagining, not a shot for shot adaptation.
There are so many fairy tales they could make and give us another black main character like
- The Swan Princess
- The Princess and the Pea
- The Twelve Princesses
- The Princess Bride
- Hansel and Grettle (Not princesses but still)
- Earthsea (That book series was done so frigging dirty)
And that's just to name a few. Instead we get a race swapped character instead of something original
I think I've ranted long enough. I enjoyed the video
This!!
Thank you for pointing out how often "representation" is used as a publicity tool, because it is! There are so many like, race swapped or whatever characters that would be easy for me to at least try to enjoy if I didn't have movie publicity teams and then stirred up fandoms saying "You have to like this version of the character" (like for me, Halle's Ariel) rather than Jodie Benson's because in the original, she's white and not feminist enough compared to Halle's. No. If you tell me who to like and how to like them, regardless of how good the actor may be or if it IS needed representation, you have already poisoned the well. Let me discover and enjoy all these swaps and actors who were supposedly hired for their talent and merits rather whatever representation on my own. If you tell me who to like and how to like them and that I'm a horrible person for liking someone else...you're why there are people who struggle with swapping whatever in remakes. Directors and writers who do them need to make stories that can both bring in new audiences AND not make lovers of the original work (that was popular enough to warrant a remake in the first place,) not feel like horrible people. Don't you want as big an audience as possible for your work? Why write and promote something in a way that pushes potential audience members away? I don't get it.
100% agree about Ariel! Hallie Bailey would have made an awesome Tiana. She’s a great singer. Unfortunately, Disney doesn’t know how to create anymore
Concerning Ariel and Mulan: 2023's TLM could've avoided a lot more controversy by making it an original TLM film; no Ariel and co, and all original songs, set in the Caribbean. I feel like the support would've been a lot stronger. And I REALLY wish we had more non-princess Disney princesses like Mulan since so many people think the title is literal.
I loved what you said in the intro so I clicked 'like' right away.
I agree totally with what you said (and you reminded me I should rewatch a couple of movies) except for Belle... When I saw the movie at the cinema I really liked it. She is also my favourite princess and the movie is so colorful, and all the songs (I looooove Nevermore and Dan Stevens), so... Watching Belle in live action... I could not love it. But yes, she is a bit of Hermione more than Belle, I give you that, but I'm ok with it.
6:12 My own unpopular opinion is rhat I can see why many people are starting to think of everything as "woke". Because "woke" things have been pushed in our faces, in all places where it really doesnt belong. Entertainment, politics, jobs, etc, and it's pretty obvious that Disney is capitalizing on that and is using it to lecture and insult its audience, to the point where their movies and shows are just not entertaining anymore - and that's Disney's one job, is to entertain. Maybe we do need a new word, but it is absolutely there, and glaringly so. Humans are good at nothing if not recognizing patterns, and at this point the pattern has been beat to death over and over again for years and years to the point where we can't really deny that it's there anymore. I agree that maybe some people call things woke when it may not deserve it, however I honestly don't blame them considering just how much this toxicity has invaded every aspect of Western life.
Society can be like sheep... they just follow what everyone else does. Many people never actually looked into the word. They just used it because it was the popular buzzword to describe a common social/media trend.
@@WondrousJoJolike I said, maybe we need a new word. But the trend that it's describing is absolutely there and it's a legitimate complaint.
I haven't seen Bambi in years so I can't comment on that one. lol.
I can't believe that people feel that Mulan was the worst Disney remake..... the Remake needs to be able to stand on its own I think they use the original movies too heavy😊..... I just hope Disney doesn't mess up the Pocahontas remake😊
Mulan is more Joan of Arc than Cinderella.
Alright, drag racing time! 😉 Finally had time to watch this!
1) I think there is that toxicity in a lot of fandoms because you're dealing with things that people have very strong feelings and attachments about, and none of it is helped by the outrage engine that is the Internet. Disney's entire brand is built on close emotional connections, so when Disney disappoints, it really comes across like a betrayal. When you say something "wrong" the fans can act like you just spoke blasphemy, because it has deep meaning to them. But Disney fandom isn't even the most toxic fandom I've been involved in... Pro-wrestling fandom is an absolute cesspool, Godzilla power scalers are terrible, and I was literally driven out of Steampunk 😆
3) Yeah, "woke" is too charged of a word... I think you can actually define how it is used today to represent a kind of disingenuous left wing radicalism, but while it is kinda' useful among people who know what you mean by it, it too easily bogs down discussions when people start quibbling over its meaning. When trying to actually make a point, I will say progressive, left-authoritarian, or left-wing extremist or something along those lines.
5) Emma Watson was absolutely terrible. But Beauty and the Beast was really where the live-action remakes lost their shine for me. Cinderella was good for elaborating on the story, Jungle Book was fantastic, but Beauty and the Beast just reminded me of what a good movie the original was.
7) Apparently I only have opinions on your odd-numbered hot takes... I frickin' LOVE Atlantis, but I totally understand why it didn't do well. It was exactly the kind of movie I WOULD love, THEREFORE nobody else did 😆 And at the end of the day, yes, that's why Kida isn't a princess. The Disney Princesses are just a marketing campaign, and they didn't feel that Kida would have benefitted from it or vice versa. Likewise, Anna and Elsa aren't official Princesses either, because Frozen merchandise sells well enough on its own that they don't need to be. However, all that said, I think there's another reason why Kida isn't an official princess... Atlantis isn't HER story. It's Milo's story. It's one of the VERY few Disney animated films that is a story about a male character, in which the male character isn't subservient to the princess' self-actualization. Philip, Flynn, Charming, Florian, Kristoff, Aladdin, Beast, Tramp... They all exist to help the princess achieve her goals. Milo doesn't. Yes he DOES help Kida, but the story isn't ABOUT that. It's ABOUT his own self-actualization, to which Kida is an accessory. It pretty nearly reverses the traditional male-female dynamic of Disney films. So I can see girls not really being into Kida the same way boys aren't really into Philip.
9) I actually used to be really involved in pro-LGBTQ activism in university 20 years ago, before we got marriage equality here in Canada. Once we got that, I fell out of it because... well... mission accomplished. There weren't any more legal hurdles to cross. But since then, and especially in the last 5 years or so, I've become really cynical with the direction of the activism and "corporate pride." I remember when I had to field conservative strawmen about how "they're coming for our kids with their gay agenda" kind of crap, so it's absolutely INFURIATING to me to see us actually DOING THAT NOW. Like, just stay away from people's kids. It's not that hard, but then here we are singing about coming for children and acting like it's our job to protect children from their parents and interjecting into cartoons for no other reason than for Disney - a megacorporation - to act like they're all progressive, and it's all backfiring spectacularly. Acceptance for LGBTQ people is actually DECLINING, which is unbelievable to me. If you told me that 20 years ago I would have been incredulous.
There... BAM. Shots fired! Oh, P.S.: read the original Bambi novel by Felix Salten. It is an absolute MASTERPIECE of nature writing. It gave me a new appreciation for the film, but the film doesn't even come close to the novel. Same with Disney's Wind in the Willows compared to the novel, which is also a masterpiece.
Oh... I have to add hot takes of my own. Um... Given the historical context, Song of the South was actually a racially progressive film. The original redhead in Pirates of the Caribbean was actually a more powerful female figure than the new pirate redhead. Disney movies have always been empowering to women, often at the cost of men. Frollo's song is terrible. Fantasia is the single greatest movie ever made.
True, fandoms can be so toxic in general, and I believe you when you say that there are far worse ones out there. I usually don't actively get involved in any of them and have been that way all my life. I usually just keep to myself, but there are times when I will go to some forums just to be a fly on the wall... and I have seen some WEIRD stuff. I'm not all that knowledgeable on Steampunk (even though I really enjoy the aesthetic). But... I also rarely ever see black people participating. I'm not sure why. I want to see more of everyone dress up like that. What happened with you and steampunk, if you dont mind me asking? It's really cool. Godzilla is cool, but I'm not very much into it. I assume maybe people fight over the different Kaijus, and who is stronger? And I'm sorry, NO ONE should be legit fighting over WWE. I respect that community... but we all know what those wrestlers do is scripted and performative. How do people legit fight over that when those dudes go home together laughing and hanging out and getting drinks afterward?
With the term "woke," people always do this with Black lingo. It's the same story with the word "Karen." Greater society has absolutely stripped it of how serious the term actually is. Real Karens are horrible people who use their power and privilege as white women to cause intentional harm or death to black/POC folks. When you think of a true Karen, think the 'Central Park Birdwatching Incident'. If she could have, she would have gladly gotten that man killed, all because she felt she was above the law and certainly wasn't going to let a 3rd-rate lesser human (a black man) tell her otherwise. She knew her power in white society and wielded it against the man. She knows how the power structure works and that if she 'A pure, crying, and frail' white woman is being aggresed by the big scary blk guy, then the police will most likely be on her side. She could have gotten a *completely innocent* man shot that day. All he wanted to do was watch the birds.
I totally see where you're coming from about Kida. I like Milo because he represents the male nerds/geeks, as Belle does for women. The grand theme of that narrative really bothers me, but it's something that Hollywood loves to do historically. I plan on making a video about it in the future, so I won't really touch on it here.
Emma Watson butchered the character. 'Nuff said, haha.
I remember back when the marriage laws were changed, and my friend at the time was very happy that he had all the same rights as everyone else. He was content and happy. Fast-forward, a few years after that, he admitted that all this extra newer stuff is absolutely out of control and that it should have stopped with marriage equality since that was the last legitimate legal frontier. He was just as irritated with all the new wave politics.
One of your hot takes is going to cause us to fight 🤣🤣🤣 But I won't say which one because it is literally a part of a hot take in Part 2's video. So I'll see your ass in part 2!! 😂😂😂😂
@@WondrousJoJo // I'm not all that knowledgeable on Steampunk (even though I really enjoy the aesthetic). But... I also rarely ever see black people participating. I'm not sure why. I want to see more of everyone dress up like that. What happened with you and steampunk, if you dont mind me asking? //
The lack of Black people is pretty easy to understand... Steampunk is fundamentally rooted in the aesthetics of 19th century industrialization, colonialism, and science fiction. As a result, it mostly mirrors countries that had a strong tradition of 19th century industrialization, colonialism, and science fiction, which is basically Europe, North America, and Japan. It's not only difficult for Black people to eke out a space there, but to even WANT to, considering what the 19th century meant to Africans and the African diaspora.
As for what happened, prior to 2007 Steampunk was just a genre of science fiction and the nerds who were into it. But then around 2007 it was "discovered" and colonized by Makers, Punks, and post-Goths, whereupon it was turned more into a cosplay lifestyle with pretentions of political activism. Those people proceeded to take over the majority of Steampunk online spaces, insinuate themselves into positions of power, and then bully, harass, or outright ban the old time Steampunk fans.
And I HATE that kind of sh*t, so I didn't react to it well and eventually had to brand my own blog and things away from Steampunk and back towards Victorian science fiction (I only finally gave up entirely on my blog last year or so). But it was the classical story of how if you don't gatekeep your fandom, you will eventually be gatekept OUT of your fandom. The paradox of tolerance.
// It's really cool. Godzilla is cool, but I'm not very much into it. I assume maybe people fight over the different Kaijus, and who is stronger? //
Yep... The whole thing over Godzilla vs. Kong was insufferable. Die hard Godzilla fanboys were offended that Kong could even written to be an equal to Godzilla and made sure to take it out on everyone who was a fan of both monsters.
// And I'm sorry, NO ONE should be legit fighting over WWE. I respect that community... but we all know what those wrestlers do is scripted and performative. How do people legit fight over that when those dudes go home together laughing and hanging out and getting drinks afterward? //
It's more about conflict between companies. I'm a fan of All Elite Wrestling and you can't go to any post anywhere about AEW and NOT see it spammed up by people relentlessly criticizing the company, its wrestlers, its ratings, and its fans, simply for the fact of it existing as an alternative to WWE. It would be like fans of McDonald's constantly complaining that Wendy's exists on every Tweet made by Wendy's. They would do the same to companies like New Japan Pro-Wrestling too if they weren't all racists who weren't aware of anything that happens outside the United States. It almost makes me want to dip out of wrestling altogether.
// The grand theme of that narrative really bothers me, but it's something that Hollywood loves to do historically. I plan on making a video about it in the future, so I won't really touch on it here. //
I look forward to it!
// Fast-forward, a few years after that, he admitted that all this extra newer stuff is absolutely out of control and that it should have stopped with marriage equality since that was the last legitimate legal frontier. He was just as irritated with all the new wave politics. //
I'm gratified that I'm not alone in that 😆
// One of your hot takes is going to cause us to fight But I won't say which one because it is literally a part of a hot take in Part 2's video. So I'll see your ass in part 2!! //
Uh oh, bro either loves Frollo's song or hates Fantasia 😆
I'm not even gonna touch the Ariel thing, because while I vastly disagree, I do get where you're coming from, and others have responded on it to death.
On the other hand, I do agree that Emma Watson wasn't the best choice for Belle, but for different reasons. Two words: Auto Tune. Granted, Auto tune is used universally in just about every piece of modern music recording, but the fact that they had to heavily rely on using it so much specifically on her and it was REALLY noticeable only on her, they should have just cast a better singer. (Which ties into part of why I think Halle Bailey was a perfect Ariel; her voice made me cry tears of joy and any issue I had with the movie had absolutely nothing to do with casting, but I digress!)
Also, we can't act like Disney didn't create a specific rubric for who qualifies as a Disney princess that may or may not have anything to do with the actual definition of a princess irl. Mulan is not an actual princess: fact. Mulan is a Disney princess: ALSO fact. Both are true!
The auto tune was horrible! I forgot to mention that in the video, but I did mention it in a video I did about that movie. At least Halle could sing, yes. Side note, it would've been nice if Ariel had gotten more than just 1 (arguably 1.5 songs) song in the original. While the reprise of POYW is great and iconic, I would have liked one more song. I do like that Ariel got a little more in the remake.
And as for the line, yeah... it is true that a Princess is whomever Disney says they are. I feel that if there are no concrete rules, then the term "princess" has no real meaning. It just becomes a pretty title that makes them look special.
I love Tiana♡
Another unpopular opinion, I disagree with yours and many other commenter's dismissal of Mulan's status in the Disney lineup. Y'all act like she gets way more attention than she actually gets. Mulan is my favorite Disney character, and let me tell you how absolutely difficult it is to find any merch for her. Yeah, she appears on some promos, and there is some limited stuff for her but that's about the extent of it. It's not accurate to compare her to Kida or Meg, because those two were not even the focus of the movies they were in. Mulan was the central character of her movie, hell her name was the title. I don't agree on all of that being the same level as the others she's being compared to. Surprised to see the blatant dismissal of Mulan here. Also, way to use a ridiculous screenshot of Mulan's face from that terrible second movie that really never should have been made.
Mulan is an amazing character. There is no doubt about that. The problem is that she gets a special pass that some other amazing female protagonists/characters don't get. If being the title lead alone makes a female character worthy, why don't we see Raya in the official lineup? Not only is she the title lead, but she's an actual princess. You'd think those 2 strong factors would make her golden, right? Truthfully, all of the princesses of color get less merchandise than their white counterparts. I rarely ever see Pocahontas merchandise. Tiana has only been more prevalent because of MLK day in January, Black History Month in February, and Juneteenth (obviously in June). I'm not sure about Jasmine, but she can't be getting as much as the white girls if I can barely recall anything, lol. But Mulan should definitely get more merchandise. I would never be opposed to that. Though I still believe Disney slid her in for diversity purposes, I still do love the variety she adds to the line.
EDIT: "ridiculous screenshot." "Terrible second movie" 😂😂😂 Anyone who can get me to laugh gets a heart for their comment! I was originally going to use the one where she first woke up in the morning at the beginning of the original film. I don't care about the second movie, to be honest. I don't even think I've ever watched the whole thing.
Hm I don't agree that Mulan gets a special pass. I think the absolute monumental weight of her actions earns her a rightful place in the line. Especially with this whole insistence on having good role models for girls, in my opinion she's one of the only ones who actually meets that criteria fully. But maybe I am biased as a woman in the Army. That shit is still hard to do, even now. I can't imagine doing it during Imperial China, especially not with the very real threat of being caught and killed looming above me. As far as why Raya isn't in the lineup, I couldn't tell you. My own opinion is that her movie was just not very good. It did not come even close to the impact of a movie like Mulan. It was dry and boring, and I could not stay engaged the entire time I was watching it. Also, Raya is not a classical Disney character. When I see Disney featuring Mulan in a lineup, it's usually next to other classics like Ariel, Belle, Aurora, and Tiana (Tiana was in late 2000s, so she was in the transition phase from 2D to 3D - but I do believe she gets to be considered a classic at this point). I believe that's important context. Maybe it's possible that Disney included Mulan because of diversity purposes, however given the true power and impact of her story (not to mention our ever increasing tensions with China) I'm finding that harder and harder to believe. But again, I was a woman in the army so maybe her story just hits me deeper. Others who don't have that experience probably cannot understand the weight of her actions.
Dismissal? 🤔 I love Mulan, but she's not a princess technically. That is a fact. I was actually so angry with the remake in what they did to her and think Mulan II is a masterpiece compared to it. I don't want her taken out either. Mulan is my mom's favorite movie so I watched it a lot with her. Aurora and Jasmine are both secondary characters but are included in the lineup.(Sleeping Beauty was following the fairies and how they prevented and helped save Aurora) But I don't want them taken out. Aurora is my favorite.
Instead of "woke" a better word would be activism. Because politics and philosophy have always been a part of storytelling. But they've primarily been in service of telling an ENTERTAINING story first and foremost. When people call something "woke" they're referring to a story that exists for the sole purpose of pushing an ideological activist message FIRST and telling a good story second. Said message will often be for the goal of subverting the norms and beliefs of the society at large.
Or, the point is the social storytelling but to pack them in a nice way. If it isn't packed well, it isn't art but a soapbox shouting. If we wanted to be preached to, we would go to church. A story is supposed to make you think. The breadwinner by cartoon saloon is a great example.
@@MissMoontree> if we wanted to be preached to we would go to church
Thank you 🙌🙌🙌
PERIOD JoJo, no expectations needed 😁✨️
Almost agree with every single opinion of yours! Can't wait for part 2👍
And yes, I'd love to see the addition of more mature girls to Disney princesses line. Disney wants to make it diverse, but why not age range? For young girls it's nothing wrong to want to be mature women. Youth is not everything for girls, it's so wholesome if we have more mature role models!!!❤
I feel that the exploitation is a direct result of the aporoach taken by a lot of loud people of various groups. Their approach seems to be "we want to be seen, we want to be heard, give us characters, fix the pale male stale, gibs us dat" and then when the cynical money-grubbing corporate wolves throw them scraps, they get all like "why are you disrespecting us, do better." Good, respectful, sincere representation is the result of patient work and piling up grains of sand, as blacks who lived through the era of black-sploitation can attest. It took a long, long time before blacks got characters like Uhura in Star Trek, or actors like James Earl Jones and Billy Dee Williams being iconic in Star Wars, or actors like Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Samuel L. Jackson, and others being cool as hell on the silver screen. It's a very long and unpleasant road to be taken seriously after being treated as a cheap joke, and I feel like the GLBT+ people are encouraging the corporate moguls to continue to feed them processed animal product instead of good red meat and are prolonging the pain instead of gathering grains of sand to build up to their "Uhura and Kirk kiss" moment.
I think there is a lot of truth in this take because oh my GOODNESS Black people had to wait for so long. And we are still waiting for certain things to this day. I do see SOME lgbt representatives trying to force change too fast, and as a result, it hurts the organic growth. You should want media to change because people *genuinely* WANT to change it from within, and not because there's a lot of thirsty and desperate people who are ready to throw their money at anything that may potentially be promising. I agree that that is how people end up disappointed or feeling disrespected by a soulless creation. But honestly, Black people have been guilty of this, too. While some of us spoke out against the LA Little Mermaid casting, there were a large number of my people who were in support of it. I understand we want to see ourselves as amazing fantasy creatures, too, but that wasn't the best way to go about it.
@@WondrousJoJo Yeah, I pointed at the GLBT+ community because at the moment I wrote that post, that was the community you were discussing in the video. But that community is not the only ones who have made mistakes in getting themselves represented in a wholesome, sincere way. I also want to +1 your point about media *wanting* to change being important. I don't know how many people are aware of this, but in that moment where Uhura and Kirk kissed on screen, the directors tried to hedge their bets by recording alternate takes where the kiss didn't happen, or it was on the cheek instead of the lips. Because William Shatner *wanted* the change that the kiss represented, he deliberately ruined all of the alternate takes by making various mistakes so that the show runners would have no choice but to throw caution to the wind and air that important media moment. THAT is what it looks like when media *wants* to change, individual people taking action to push the change along. When it's being changed under the gun, or for cynical and exploitative reasons? Well, we get a 2-second take of LeFou dancing with a man at the last possible moment to cynically do "representation." Media people are creative, the number of ways that they can practice malicious obedience and show flagrant disrespect are infinite. If you want them to NOT do that, you patiently create a culture where being respectful and authentic is something they want to do of their own free will.
Thank you for this video, by the way. I may not be vibing with your every point, but I enjoyed myself. I want to see more. :)
Thank you! I will definitely give more! Stay tuned within the next few days so that you too can participate in an upcoming poll that will directly affect part 2's video! 😊😊😊 Hope to see you there!
@@WondrousJoJo I will absolutely be there. I'm subbed and keeping as close an eye as I can on my notifications.
Fully agree on Emma Watson.
The way I've always heard "woke" used is in a combination of ironic and mocking. In original usage, it's the same as telling someone to keep their wits about them, to stay aware of what's going on, to keep an eye out for trouble. In colloquial usage, it's mocking a person or entity of being so hyperalert that they've crossed right over into imaginjng problems that do not exist, and purposefuply blind themselves to the implications of what they're doing. A woke person in original vintage notices a store letting a white boy off with a scolding for shoplifting while calling the police on the black boy, because that is a thing that is real, did happen, and is important to be aware of so you can avoid a crappy person. A woke person will notice a store clerk bagging many items in a large white plastic bag for a white customer while then putting a single purchased item in a small brown paper bag for a black customer, and make a big stink about it because they are so hyperaware that they assign magical meanings to bags that were selected for purely utility reasons: one is suitable for a small numbet of items, the other for a large number.
To be honest I hate the word woke that’s been used in politics including right wing media stories i probably would support the gay stuff but it needs to be done respectfully to other families you can support the gay movement but needs to be done respectfully to others instead of the word let’s use untraditional.
You’re thinking of “princess” in the traditional sense, when Disney uses it in terms of dollar signs. A quick google search tells me Disney counts princesses as those either born into royalty/ traditional reasons OR they do a heroic deed, aka Mulan. Mulan is not a princess princess, but she is a Disney princess…just let me have my crumb of representation 😂😂😂
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I believe Mulan has the most powerful and inspiring story out of all of them and she deserves her place in the line. Yeah she's not a princess but she's a woman who faced down certain death and dishonor to join the Imperial Chinese army to save her father and her country, and personally I think that carries more weight than being born into a certain bloodline.
woke is like gay or the rainbow. these things did not mean originally what they mean now. woke has gone the same way. woke may have meant the 'be aware' before but now it's a message that it's focused on political pandering of some sort or another for a special interest group who wants to damage some subject or some product. the definition has changed basically.
and they were basically doing the same the racism, sexism and being a nazi. though those failed but they were trying to change the definitions of such too.
and on added note, for some reason media consider asians 'white'. check the assassin's creed game for the whole controvery there.
the animal thing people do feel sad when they know about it. there's a video on here of youtube talking about a baby rhino who needed a caretaker for it to fall asleep as it would cry to sleep because it's momma was killed by poachers. and people feel sad when they hear of poachers killing a cheetah or lion and they leave cubs. but when it's food they often don't feel sad.
and agreed on keita and the princess and the cauldron. not sure why they don't get included.
and agreed on lilo and stitch. they should readd the scene just like they should add the two tower trailer in spiderman that was an original commercial.
also agreed on belle.
It bothers me that people who aren't even part of an ethnicity/group can just take a word and develop it into what they want it to be. Like I said in the video, I don't even know how that shift happened. I will research it sometime to try to find out.
I didn't know media considers Asians white. Probably just the Far East ones. I doubt they count brown Asians. That's interesting, though. I may look into that as well. I do know that in this country, Arabs and jews get to be classified as "white" as well.
It looks like you're the first person to specifically mention the Lilo & Stitch take. Yes, I think all the scenes should go back in, including Spider Man. Again, if it was literally about the towers burning and collapsing down by means of an airplane, I would totally get it. But many of these scenes aren't even like that at all. Lilo & Stitch took place on an island in Hawaii, not even New York!
@@WondrousJoJo well with assassin's creed they've been trying to defend that 'they don't need another asian samurai for the lead' in a game based in japan. the japanese are getting very pissed off at it and consider it insulting. they're actually calling it cultural appropriation from western developers.
and yeah, i think woke just happened to be like 'gay' or like the rainbow. these didn't mean to be homosexual once. one was specifically a religious symbol. and if you're heard about racism and sexism they've been trying to alter it to being 'priveledged authority' to excuse bigotry against certain groups of people. so i kind of take woke undergoing or having undergone the same thing. (to tell the truth until it had been appropriated i'd never heard woke used in such a way. before then i'd known woke as the past tense of waking from sleep.)
and yeah, i'm sure you can see the trailer now of spiderman on youtube where he webbed up two mercenary coptors between the towers. i think things like this should be returned and people should be able to view the original. or more like the song you mentioned with aladdin that it had the line of slitting your thoat. like when i was a kid that was so shocking but made the song more memorable and fun. it shouldn't be censored because some get fifi's in a knott about it.
Wait a moment... another samurai? Who was the first one? I have been loosely interested in the series but never took the plunge. So, if there already was a first samurai, I don't know who it was. So are you saying Japan doesn't like the idea of the historically true black samurai? I thought the Japanese liked him and that he was always a part of their pop culture?? Are they considering it cultural appropriation now?
As for Woke, it's also just like the term "Karen." It was also a black term that meant a white woman who knew her power in society and used it to cause intentional harm or death to BIPOC people. America took it and watered it so far down that now people just think it's an entitled or mean woman.
@@WondrousJoJo it's the gamedevs who are saying 'there's plenty of japanese samurai' but fans of assassins creed wanted to play a japanese character when it's a japanese setting and they've been asking for it for awhile now only to have it turned around and be yasuke who has a questionable history as there's quite a bit of debate on wether he was a samurai at all. and when the developers are trying to say it's historically accurate there seems to be problems there as well. (also seems to be problems in the entire design of japan itself in the game as it's being said they took things from china to set there and put things out of season since they have sakura trees blooming but people harvesting, ect. there seem to be a lot of problems with the game in relation to japan and yasuke.)
karen is another one i hadn't been aware of until it got changed to be 'entitled white woman with a bob trying to demean others, generally men' cuz it's actually funny i'd created a oc who fit the physical description of 'karen' who had the name karen and the word use of it kind of ruins the name unfortunately.
@feuryie Hmmm...
I sense some *potential* racism with this debacle. I don't want to make any major judgment calls too early on before I do my own research. Going off of what you said, it seems to me that people just don't want to see a black guy, lol. Japanese is a nationality, meaning a black man can be Japanese. I think what they actually mean is that they want to play as an Asian character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall a fan of the series telling me that the game centers around playing as the *ascendants* of the white main character's bloodline, right? If that is true, am I to believe that he is white/viking/Anglo, Egyptian/Black, Arab, and now Asian ALL at the same time??? I mean, we have to draw the line somewhere. Also, I believe the voices that matter the most in this are Japanese voices. Americans should largely be quiet and take the back seat on this. I personally think it's very cool that the devs chose Yasuke. But, if the Japanese collectively hate the idea, then I would respect that.
Halle Bailey being cast as Ariel isn’t a choice based on diversity. Do your research. Because assuming that Halle’s casting as Ariel was just so Disney could give the black community “white scraps” is just as bad as saying that she shouldn’t have gotten the role just because of her skin color. And it’s also plain racist choosing to ignore how perfect Halle is for the specific role of ARIEL. And all that talk about how they shouldn’t “race swap” white characters and make new stories based on black culture is bullcrap. While there should be more stories based on poc culture, there are room for poc in well known stories too! If your casting an iconic traditionally white role and the characters race has nothing to do with their status in the story you can’t just exclude people of color just because of their skin color. That’s why COLORBLIND CASTING is a thing. Because if not for Halle the live action little mermaid would have sucked. Halle looks like ARIEL and sounds like ARIEL and is a good fit for ARIEL. You can’t just ignore that only due to the color of her skin! She isn’t even that dark anyways! What we should be complaining about with her casting is how the COSTUME DESIGNER gave her a DESIGN that looked nothing like Ariel. It’s not Halles fault you can’t see Ariel in her. It’s the fault of the director and costume designer. Also in correct usage of the term. Something like Mulan is “woke” because it’s shedding light on a social issue while the little mermaid is not. And since we’re in agreement that Emma Waston was a terrible Belle, would you rather have her play Belle, or a person of color who fit the role of Belle perfectly?
Hmmm....
By your logic, that would also mean that Cinderella, Belle, or pretty much any white princess that isn't a born royal can be changed to any race. I say "born royal" because if the story is based on a European kingdom, the princes and princesses will be white since the royal family will be white. However, if the princess is not born royal and instead marries into royalty, then she can be any color because, in some cases, a royal can marry whoever they want. Not only that, if the princess is born European royalty, then that is part of her culture, meaning she should be white.
With that being said, Ariel is white and born royal, BUT the ocean kingdom is fictional and does not exist. Therefore, yes, a mermaid princess can be any color, race, ethnicity, etc. My issue is that Disney claimed this a REMAKE of the original film. It's not a reimagining. It's not a retelling of the original book by Hans Christian Anderson...it is a remake of the 1989 film. Have you seen the Cinderella with Brandy that was done by Disney? I loved that film and had no issues with it, even now as an adult. Do you know why it's not seen as an issue? It's because that was a different take on a Cinderella story, Rodgers & Hammerstein's, specifically. It was not a remake of the 1950 film, and so people respected that. Notice how the remake of the 1950 film starred a white woman, Lily James. And also notice how Belle in the remake was also played by a white woman. Up until the Little Mermaid remake, Disney was very precise, calculated, and selective with how they brought representation to the table. When they announced who was going to play Ariel, it felt like a total publicity stunt because of Disney's track record. Had Disney always had a history of race-swapping THEIR traditionally white characters, then it wouldn't be a huge deal. But they just one day woke up and decided to make one of their princesses Black? They KNEW this would cause problems, and yet they did it anyway. And yes, I believe it was in hopes of making more money while simultaneously attempting to shut up Black people when it comes to lack of diversity.
Now, back to the fictional ocean kingdom. Yes, any woman/girl can play the Little Mermaid, but "Ariel" specifically is Disney's adaptation of Hans Christian Anderson's story. I don't even think the little mermaid had a name in the original book. This is the first time I can think of where Disney racially changed one of their "original" chatacters. Like I said, if Disney was always known for this, people wouldn't have been as surprised. But historically, Disney did not promote "any girl can play any princess" in their media. Yes, Ariel is part fish, but when she gets her legs, she becomes a full white woman. Also, Ariel becomes a mom in the sequels. Melody is a royal-born white girl from a European kingdom (Eric's kingdom). Therefore...Ariel is better off white. It just makes more sense in the long run.
Disney produced the movie "Splash" in the past, so we know they're capable of telling new mermaid stories. I think Halle deserved better. And yes, I can admit that Halle does have some features that reflect Ariel. And also, yes, Halle has a great voice... but consistency is best, in my opinion. Also, yes, I agree that her outfits were horrible! Maybe if the hair and outfits were better, maybe people wouldn't have been as bummed about the final product.
How does she look like Ariel?
@@WondrousJoJo If you are struggling read this~ I know I’m young but I would just like to say that, In 7th grade I was in a very dark place. I couldn’t feel much emotion and I had thoughts of revenge and the other things. But God saved me, He gave me the people in my life and he showed himself to me. Even in my darkest days He was there with me, He never left me. One day while I was in bed I started to pray with my hand go the sky and I felt something holding my hand. At that very moment I knew it was Him. I repent of all of the sins I have committed. I am ready to begin a new life with Him. There is still time go repent love one another and believe in Christ for He will forgive you❤️ He helped me in hard and he will help you too:). Just pray!
@@sabrinamiller3671 If you are struggling read this~ I know I’m young but I would just like to say that, In 7th grade I was in a very dark place. I couldn’t feel much emotion and I had thoughts of revenge and the other things. But God saved me, He gave me the people in my life and he showed himself to me. Even in my darkest days He was there with me, He never left me. One day while I was in bed I started to pray with my hand go the sky and I felt something holding my hand. At that very moment I knew it was Him. I repent of all of the sins I have committed. I am ready to begin a new life with Him. There is still time go repent love one another and believe in Christ for He will forgive you❤️ He helped me in hard and he will help you too:). Just pray!
@@sabrinamiller3671 face shape and body shape are similar if u don’t stop looking when u realize she’s black and the only thing that has to be different about Halle’s Ariel from orginal Ariel is that she has darker skin and dark brown eyes. It’s really her live action design that makes her not look like Ariel with the desaturated ginger hair in a middle instead of side part, and the ugly blue green and purple scale top. Ariel’s known for her red hair purple seashell top and green tail. The only thing the costume designer got right was her tail
All of these takes were great.
Thank you!
I don’t agree with the Belle take because they didn’t give Emma much to work with when it came to the script…like the lines were bad and I think that is because the movie has very little exposition between belle and beast when she gets to the castle in the og movie…the girl literally was talking to cups and furniture because the beast wouldn’t talk to her until about half way through the movie lol