12 years of sobriety and shadow work first and then finding non duality and the fetters. So much of this has been realized and so much has been let go of Love this series and all of your pointings No interpretation or attachment or resistance.... Well on the way. ❤
"You start to see your unrealistic expectations and how they have dictated your life..." OMG rhis is right where this mass of stuff is. Unbounded gratitude. 25 years of practice has brought about this meeting. Oh f***
Hi, I just broke the last fetter. For me, I wanted life to be reliable and have 100% security guaranteed all the time. 😂 No wonder I am passionate about cybersecurity. I find it humorous that Kevin is an engineer who wanted everything to be predictable and reliable. That would be an engineer’s dream! Thank you for the series. I got through it and the fetters quickly, but I had about 25 years of therapy as a prerequisite, so that sped things up immensely. But I am so relaxed now, and my cravings for caffeine have gone down immensely during this process. Thank you both again.
@Angelo and @Kevin, Thank you for all the Fetters videos, they were very helpful to end suffering! Peace and Liberation at last. Much love to you both. ❤
This was such a good series. So methodical and busting so many myths about awakening. I like Kevin's concise, no-nonsense, explanation and Angelo, your contributions are always so valuable when you speak...Thank you, thank you...both...
Excellent pointings and explanations. Thank you Kevin for adding the Self Guidance through the Fetters to your website. These interviews have been invaluable here, especially in explaining the gap. Angelo, you have a knack of asking the perfect clarifying questions. 💞🙏🎉
I love how Angelo still has that laugh reflex when Kevin says "When the 8th fetter falls, suddenly there's no I or me." The joke probably never gets old...
This is why I think enlightenment is about feelings. We don't get enlightenment from the mind but we do get it from the body. We begin to walk a little lighter. Ease 🙏❤️
Loved the series. Kevin has a real tenderness to his words and body language. I think these last two fetters are important points to discuss on the path. A lot of people think once anatta is realized that these last two fetters just naturally drop away - which is the usual sales pitch - that hasn’t been my experience and it seems useful to normalize why this is the case for people doing this work. Thanks Angelo and Kevin, Good luck out there everyone!
lol true. I’ve been sober for 23 years (I saw your other post) and the emotion/shadow work that I really authentically did in that period was maybe 1/1000th of what happens when “God comes back for everything” 😂
Thank you both and bless you both so much. This series was really helpful. I think I'd say the 9th and 10th fetters have been more like shackles for me, and take a lot of work. Also, wanted to note if anyone is interested in linking this to western thinkers, the 10th fetter to me sounds a lot like the 'object small a' of Jacques Lacan, the French psychoanalyst. Prayers for everyone's liberation.
Definitely experienced grief, but another strange aspect was not finding the one to struggle with grief. And, paradoxically feeling great at the same time.
Golly Kevin and Angelo this is exactly where im at! What kevin says here about resisting the urge to "do something" The belief that im a failure if i cant help I have so many impulses to fix save control and it is becoming right out front and center Specifically in the current experience i am coming into contact with the fear of faulure and i have a chick(baby chicken) that is challenging me to leave it alone. It has a birth defect and is under the mother hen. It probably wont survive and im challenged to let nature take its course. This is directly challenging my deepest fear of failure and identity. Who/what will i be if i cant help? Will the sky fall if i dont do something? So grateful that you two are here and that this is available to help me navigate this!!!
amazing, thank you for all the videos from this series and for the channel in general! I find it very helpful and precise. Its funny that what was interesting to me from the start of spiritual journey was the impermanence and then when it was realized it dropped this belief from life, and then later i came across the katie byron's the work, which seems to me has the same mechanics being and then questioning beliefs. Again thank you for the series :)
My takeaway from the series is that there’s lots of work for me to do. Happiness won’t happen without serious effort on my part. Like the effort of a child playing a game seriously.
And... My back has given out... I literally have the physical manifestation of a pain in my ass if i dont stop if i dont take it easy if i dont slow down ... And yes trauma in the body. Being here for me and with me so to speak not abandoning my body to help "you" or to not fail to fix manage or control It is bittersweet because im so grateful to have gotten to this point but also as you say its a lot to let go of and tears... What was it? Whatever it is or was its going awayy.....
Love the series so much 🙏❤️ I’m committed to follow each one of them and work on it. Still working on fetter 4&5 😢 but so glad to see more and more subtle reactivities come to surface
I tho k that’s so important tho as so many overlook it and it’s the most directly related to love/compassion perhaps aside from the realization of no-self.
I definetely prefer Angelo s playlists and pointings to Truth,sometimes presented in a humouros manner. I guess this series is extremely accurate and valuable,yet it has a flavour of seriousness,severe suffering almost like its a curse for "one😂" to wake up,not a blessing. I might be wrong ,yet the eastern traditions tendency of emphasising that "life is suffering" and repeteadely dissmising the body&mind experiences sounds unnecesarily dramatic especially in our days. Might be wrong of course,just a humble opinion.
I really appreciate this series on the fetters. It makes them much clearer and more intuitive than the Theravada/Suttavada approach did. In the absence of the "I am/I exist" conceit after the 8th fetter falls, does the sense of making choices or of a "doer" still persist? It seems that it doesn't and that everything just seems to be happening. Maybe it's difficult to talk about these subtle shifts precisely with the conventional language available. Thanks again 🧡
"You become more effective at noticing circumstances that can change and work towards that change". This statement epitomizes my confusion with being told that life is just happening and there is not only no self but only emptiness. What or whom is noticing and creating change? My understanding has been there is no free will. Isn't noticing and working towards a desired change needing a doer? Feel I take 2 steps forward then hearing this 3 steps back. Is this just another case of how words can not explain this. Thanks.❤
well that's the strange and obvious thing isn't it? when there is realization that there is no doer this won't be a proble, but when there is a sense of being a doer, that teaching will make no sense. So I say do not adopt a belief about non-doership, it's simply not helpful and just binds up the mind or ads to doubt and hesitation :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake yes, thank you Angelo. Can see how I fall into doubt and hesitation, as you say and get tripped up. In appreciation for the reminder bells. Laughing at the memory of once being proud of having a strong philosophical mind. 💞
@@Sashas-mom Hi, Have you seen The Awakening Curriculum channel? Pernilla (who Angelo interviewed a while ago) has an awesome curriculum of many videos going through the Fetters (find in order on her playlist) and her husband Todd has a channel Unfettered Mindfulness. They are totally dedicated to aiding folks through the Fetters. Endless Blessings 🙏💞
@@ravenofthewild I sure have thank you. Same thing, a year ago I though Pernilla was speaking another language 😁 and it was hard! Now it’s beginning to click. Her and Todd are a tremendous blessing! Thank you 🙏🏻😊
Jesus says: (1) “The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds. (2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed. (3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished. (4) And he will be king over the All.” Jesus says: (1) “If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. (2) If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you. (3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.” (4) “When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father. (5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty.”
You are lucky you can still somehow explain something to make a sense of that apparent something. What do you when this living ungraspable weirdness becomes so normal that you can’t even talk about it anymore 😂
i think the 8th just fell yesterday and now everything feels effortless ( i didnt know but had been stuck at the 8th for about 6 moinths not knwing it )
A point of curiosity on the topic of the end of suffering, isn't pain a form of suffering? I saw a video of David Hawkins recently talking about how he went through major surgery with no anasthetic several times without feeling pain, because he could surrender deeply - so let go of resistance fully each moment. So I understood the end of suffering to be the end of all suffering no exception. Thoughts welcome :)
The 9th and 10th fetters sound a lot equanimity. Once we see that the self is impermanent and the world is as changing as water is, anything that arises are just movements, emotions are just movements, self is just a movement, life and death are just movements. There is no more doing because how can anyone change this moment . So what’s the difference between equanimity and these fetters?
@@birgit8996 yes thoughts. I was interested in subtle differences between the two. Equanimity being w thought/self and fetter 9 and 10 without thought/self. Why does the self/thought believe it’s an entity, when it’s clearly seen itself as a thought?
Feeling triggered rn 😬😂, jesus christ whyd this process unfold in this time of my life! Well whatever theres no going back anyways This doesnt care about the inidividuals limitations or life situation, itll just burn through it all, holy moly.
Well at that point you are not pure consciousness you are simply not. With the self structure or illusion of identity out of the way and resistance pattern with associated beliefs will have literally nowhere to hide. It's quite intense but the nowhere to hide aspect is the perfect medicine actually.
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake I see, yes, I meant you are not (pure Consciousness is the term for "it" in Advaita Vedanta, but feels the same). Just, for me, already the knowledge that I am not is a full acceptance of what ever arises, so I did not really get that. I must say that I looked all the series, and somehow for me it feels the other way round, that is, once there is an understanding, the whole concepts and beliefs fall one by one and the "work" (for example 4/5) just happens sort of automatically. Here the approach seems the other way round, I work with changing my experiences to get the full understanding. Right? The other question I have is: the "I" sense does not really disappear, just the ignorance about it. Because, we must function.
@@nbenda well part of this is that it is quite deep stage realization we’re talking about with 8th fetter. I know very few people who ok confidant have actually realized it. And to be clear the I sense actually does disappear. Nisargadatta described it like this “if you regress properly the I Am sense will disappear.” Turns out you actually function just fine without it. But you have no filters anymore :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake Do you mean just like in a flow state where there is no "I" sense, but we function fine? only all the time? ok, I will inquire into that. Now I abide as the Witness, I am very in peace, bliss, happy, but there is a sort of "I" sense.
This helped me so much, I’m all reactivity now. These fetters crystallized all the work I have left. Much thanks to both of you. Healing humanity one human at a time.
I know this is about the last fetters but there was a point when Kevin was talking when the 1st fetter fell for me. No big deal but there are no big deals for me anymore.
This should be called, The sanity guide to loosing your mind. lol Loved this series, thanks to you both.
This is soo good😂
Te228w@@helenormes404
12 years of sobriety and shadow work first and then finding non duality and the fetters.
So much of this has been realized and so much has been let go of
Love this series and all of your pointings
No interpretation or attachment or resistance....
Well on the way.
❤
Thanks for taking the time to point to this
"You start to see your unrealistic expectations and how they have dictated your life..." OMG rhis is right where this mass of stuff is. Unbounded gratitude. 25 years of practice has brought about this meeting. Oh f***
Hi, I just broke the last fetter. For me, I wanted life to be reliable and have 100% security guaranteed all the time. 😂 No wonder I am passionate about cybersecurity. I find it humorous that Kevin is an engineer who wanted everything to be predictable and reliable. That would be an engineer’s dream!
Thank you for the series. I got through it and the fetters quickly, but I had about 25 years of therapy as a prerequisite, so that sped things up immensely. But I am so relaxed now, and my cravings for caffeine have gone down immensely during this process.
Thank you both again.
@Angelo and @Kevin, Thank you for all the Fetters videos, they were very helpful to end suffering! Peace and Liberation at last.
Much love to you both. ❤
@@la5832 Wonderful! I’m glad it was helpful!
This was such a good series. So methodical and busting so many myths about awakening. I like Kevin's concise, no-nonsense, explanation and Angelo, your contributions are always so valuable when you speak...Thank you, thank you...both...
Wonderful thank you both!!
Excellent pointings and explanations. Thank you Kevin for adding the Self Guidance through the Fetters to your website. These interviews have been invaluable here, especially in explaining the gap. Angelo, you have a knack of asking the perfect clarifying questions. 💞🙏🎉
Kevin and Angelo
Much appreciate your efforts for us all. Provided wisdom and clarity. Salute!
The birth right of all human beings 🥳🙏
14:00 - 14:40 This really sums it up. Pure gold.
This may have been the most helpful of all the fetters series. I don’t know why that seems to be so. Thank you both . 🙏🏻
Felt that too, including wondering about why this one seemed more so.
My heros ❤🙏
I love how Angelo still has that laugh reflex when Kevin says "When the 8th fetter falls, suddenly there's no I or me." The joke probably never gets old...
It never does.... 😂😂😂😂
It’s so not funny anymore, but it is 😂
This is why I think enlightenment is about feelings. We don't get enlightenment from the mind but we do get it from the body. We begin to walk a little lighter. Ease 🙏❤️
Loved the series. Kevin has a real tenderness to his words and body language.
I think these last two fetters are important points to discuss on the path. A lot of people think once anatta is realized that these last two fetters just naturally drop away - which is the usual sales pitch - that hasn’t been my experience and it seems useful to normalize why this is the case for people doing this work.
Thanks Angelo and Kevin,
Good luck out there everyone!
I was here four months ago and what a gd four months it has been. Hell!
I kept saying what the fuck do you want from me god.
The answer...
Everything.
lol true. I’ve been sober for 23 years (I saw your other post) and the emotion/shadow work that I really authentically did in that period was maybe 1/1000th of what happens when “God comes back for everything” 😂
Thank you both and bless you both so much. This series was really helpful. I think I'd say the 9th and 10th fetters have been more like shackles for me, and take a lot of work. Also, wanted to note if anyone is interested in linking this to western thinkers, the 10th fetter to me sounds a lot like the 'object small a' of Jacques Lacan, the French psychoanalyst. Prayers for everyone's liberation.
Thank you Kevin & Angelo
❤❤
I really appreciate this series. Thank you. ❤
so good to find out what is happening to us. or happened-
Lovely conversation. Really helpful. Thank you both 💗
Finally ready to make use of this! Thank you both. 🎉😊
Thank you for sharing this!
Revisiting thanks guys ❤
Definitely experienced grief, but another strange aspect was not finding the one to struggle with grief. And, paradoxically feeling great at the same time.
I know what you mean, quite paradoxical
Thank you, this has been very helpful. So appreciative of you both. 🙏🏽❤️
"every last scrap of identity disappears". I'm going through a bit of this and not sure what's ahead.
This is it, thanks Angelo and Kevin
🍀❤️🕉️🙏😄✌️
Golly Kevin and Angelo this is exactly where im at!
What kevin says here about resisting the urge to "do something"
The belief that im a failure if i cant help
I have so many impulses to fix save control and it is becoming right out front and center
Specifically in the current experience i am coming into contact with the fear of faulure and i have a chick(baby chicken) that is challenging me to leave it alone. It has a birth defect and is under the mother hen. It probably wont survive and im challenged to let nature take its course. This is directly challenging my deepest fear of failure and identity. Who/what will i be if i cant help?
Will the sky fall if i dont do something?
So grateful that you two are here and that this is available to help me navigate this!!!
amazing, thank you for all the videos from this series and for the channel in general! I find it very helpful and precise.
Its funny that what was interesting to me from the start of spiritual journey was the impermanence and then when it was realized it dropped this belief from life, and then later i came across the katie byron's the work, which seems to me has the same mechanics being and then questioning beliefs. Again thank you for the series :)
Thank you both so much....
My takeaway from the series is that there’s lots of work for me to do. Happiness won’t happen without serious effort on my part. Like the effort of a child playing a game seriously.
What an awesome series, thanks so much, this kind of guidance is priceless
Thank you SO much, Kevin and Angelo! This series was so incredible insightful!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Seems strange that anyone would ever think that life is predictable.. how could it be? It never has been..
Fruition!
And... My back has given out... I literally have the physical manifestation of a pain in my ass if i dont stop if i dont take it easy if i dont slow down ... And yes trauma in the body. Being here for me and with me so to speak not abandoning my body to help "you" or to not fail to fix manage or control
It is bittersweet because im so grateful to have gotten to this point but also as you say its a lot to let go of and tears... What was it? Whatever it is or was its going awayy.....
Love the series so much 🙏❤️ I’m committed to follow each one of them and work on it. Still working on fetter 4&5 😢 but so glad to see more and more subtle reactivities come to surface
I tho k that’s so important tho as so many overlook it and it’s the most directly related to love/compassion perhaps aside from the realization of no-self.
This series i so helpful❤ Thank you so much
I definetely prefer Angelo s playlists and pointings to Truth,sometimes presented in a humouros manner.
I guess this series is extremely accurate and valuable,yet it has a flavour of seriousness,severe suffering almost like its a curse for "one😂" to wake up,not a blessing.
I might be wrong ,yet the eastern traditions tendency of emphasising that "life is suffering" and repeteadely dissmising the body&mind experiences sounds unnecesarily dramatic especially in our days.
Might be wrong of course,just a humble opinion.
interview Shinzen Young
I really appreciate this series on the fetters. It makes them much clearer and more intuitive than the Theravada/Suttavada approach did. In the absence of the "I am/I exist" conceit after the 8th fetter falls, does the sense of making choices or of a "doer" still persist? It seems that it doesn't and that everything just seems to be happening. Maybe it's difficult to talk about these subtle shifts precisely with the conventional language available. Thanks again 🧡
Gratitude.
We have ceased fighting anything or anyone. ❤
Thank you 🫒
You’re welcome 😊
25:00 We relax and take it easy we don't struggle
Sorry I disappeared I'm back lol 11:35
Thanks!
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
"You become more effective at noticing circumstances that can change and work towards that change". This statement epitomizes my confusion with being told that life is just happening and there is not only no self but only emptiness. What or whom is noticing and creating change? My understanding has been there is no free will. Isn't noticing and working towards a desired change needing a doer? Feel I take 2 steps forward then hearing this 3 steps back. Is this just another case of how words can not explain this. Thanks.❤
well that's the strange and obvious thing isn't it? when there is realization that there is no doer this won't be a proble, but when there is a sense of being a doer, that teaching will make no sense. So I say do not adopt a belief about non-doership, it's simply not helpful and just binds up the mind or ads to doubt and hesitation :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake yes, thank you Angelo. Can see how I fall into doubt and hesitation, as you say and get tripped up. In appreciation for the reminder bells. Laughing at the memory of once being proud of having a strong philosophical mind. 💞
Wow what a difference a year makes going through this particular series. Thank you both.
🙏🏻♥️
@@Sashas-mom Hi, Have you seen The Awakening Curriculum channel? Pernilla (who Angelo interviewed a while ago) has an awesome curriculum of many videos going through the Fetters (find in order on her playlist) and her husband Todd has a channel Unfettered Mindfulness. They are totally dedicated to aiding folks through the Fetters.
Endless Blessings 🙏💞
@@ravenofthewild I sure have thank you. Same thing, a year ago I though Pernilla was speaking another language 😁 and it was hard! Now it’s beginning to click. Her and Todd are a tremendous blessing! Thank you 🙏🏻😊
Jesus says:
(1) “The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All.”
Jesus says:
(1) “If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.”
(4) “When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty.”
You are lucky you can still somehow explain something to make a sense of that apparent something. What do you when this living ungraspable weirdness becomes so normal that you can’t even talk about it anymore 😂
It takes care of itself, just live. Then maybe words will come about that which is beyond words, and maybe they won’t :)))
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake
It loves to laugh at itself for sure since it can’t explain itself no more 😆
❤❤❤
i think the 8th just fell yesterday and now everything feels effortless ( i didnt know but had been stuck at the 8th for about 6 moinths not knwing it )
Awesome
A point of curiosity on the topic of the end of suffering, isn't pain a form of suffering? I saw a video of David Hawkins recently talking about how he went through major surgery with no anasthetic several times without feeling pain, because he could surrender deeply - so let go of resistance fully each moment. So I understood the end of suffering to be the end of all suffering no exception. Thoughts welcome :)
Intensity of pain definitely can and will ease up. Controlling what we feel or don't feel won't happen, though. ❤
27:53 !!!❤❤❤
The 9th and 10th fetters sound a lot equanimity. Once we see that the self is impermanent and the world is as changing as water is, anything that arises are just movements, emotions are just movements, self is just a movement, life and death are just movements. There is no more doing because how can anyone change this moment . So what’s the difference between equanimity and these fetters?
But.....who is seeing this?
@@birgit8996 thoughts
@@Kim-sherie
and what's the difference between equanimity and these fetters?
@@birgit8996 yes thoughts. I was interested in subtle differences between the two. Equanimity being w thought/self and fetter 9 and 10 without thought/self.
Why does the self/thought believe it’s an entity, when it’s clearly seen itself as a thought?
If there is no thought of equanimity, then what is equanimity?
Can a thought see itself....or isn't that also a thought "I see a thought"?
Feeling triggered rn 😬😂, jesus christ whyd this process unfold in this time of my life! Well whatever theres no going back anyways
This doesnt care about the inidividuals limitations or life situation, itll just burn through it all, holy moly.
Yeah... the "well whatever" naturally comes up right as more grieving settles in. And then it feels warm. ❤
i’ve never liked olives and still don’t ;)
super video. l thank you !
Can it be permanent predictable controllable?
Can it be satisfying can we always feel good?
Can we know what's happening?
Yum
I wish Kevin was my neighbor ❤❤❤❤
Yes but you have to keep those trash cans out of the street!
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake HAHA 🤣 DEFCON 5 ON THE NEATNESS BUTTON!!! 🤣🫶💥
@@zerkton2648
Sounds quite depressing to me 😥
It’s not depressing.
It's depressing and regressing
@@CHarris1066Says the identity with something to lose. ❤
@@indef93 Wow that thing you just said was profound. Are YOU a guru? 🩷 Heart emoji
22:08
Are you certain that there isn't an 11th fetter ?
😂😂
🤎🤎🤎 6:58 . 22:07 💎 23:19 😂😂😂
Definitely long car journeys should be shorter!!
I don't get it: how can you be not happy with what is, if there is no "i" sense and you are just pure Consciousness?
Well at that point you are not pure consciousness you are simply not. With the self structure or illusion of identity out of the way and resistance pattern with associated beliefs will have literally nowhere to hide. It's quite intense but the nowhere to hide aspect is the perfect medicine actually.
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake I see, yes, I meant you are not (pure Consciousness is the term for "it" in Advaita Vedanta, but feels the same).
Just, for me, already the knowledge that I am not is a full acceptance of what ever arises, so I did not really get that.
I must say that I looked all the series, and somehow for me it feels the other way round, that is, once there is an understanding, the whole concepts and beliefs fall one by one and the "work" (for example 4/5) just happens sort of automatically.
Here the approach seems the other way round, I work with changing my experiences to get the full understanding. Right?
The other question I have is: the "I" sense does not really disappear, just the ignorance about it. Because, we must function.
@@nbenda well part of this is that it is quite deep stage realization we’re talking about with 8th fetter. I know very few people who ok confidant have actually realized it. And to be clear the I sense actually does disappear. Nisargadatta described it like this “if you regress properly the I Am sense will disappear.” Turns out you actually function just fine without it. But you have no filters anymore :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake Do you mean just like in a flow state where there is no "I" sense, but we function fine? only all the time?
ok, I will inquire into that. Now I abide as the Witness, I am very in peace, bliss, happy, but there is a sort of "I" sense.
counting numbers is made up by the mind
But I thought... I would find out the metaphysics of the universe 😅
Well you do but only directly… 😂😂
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake 🥴
I found this fetter model didn’t resonate much with me tbh. If you’re like me, maybe check out Loch Kelly’s for a different model.
What's a fetter? I need to start this series from the top.
Yeah I recommend starting with the first vid on the playlist
This helped me so much, I’m all reactivity now. These fetters crystallized all the work I have left. Much thanks to both of you. Healing humanity one human at a time.
I know this is about the last fetters but there was a point when Kevin was talking when the 1st fetter fell for me. No big deal but there are no big deals for me anymore.
❤