KOI POND**pH MISTAKES I PAY FOR**🤔
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This week I spend time trying to rectify my mistake with the water quality that I took my eye off the ball with and pay for it...🤔😮
Water tests after water tests and trying to get the pH back where it should be after not paying attention to the water while treating the fish for parasites.
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Looks like grand day at Your pond and home 😊
Hi, I think you may have gone a bit off piste with this video. A pH of 8 even from 7 in a few days is unlikely to cause any problems with your koi and certainly after a few days stable at pH8-8.8 would be fine. On the other hand, something in the floss (usually polyester) has buffered the pH at 8 and also irritated the koi. polyester has to some extent an ion exchange capacity. That means it can hold onto and then release contaminants during manufacture. Some of these could be highly toxic and also buffer at pH8 and could cause all sorts of issues.. The best way to deal with this rapidly is to put the floss in a strong salt solution for about 10 mins and then wash in water. Another way that sometimes helps is using activated carbon but that doesnt always work. Then it will be fine. Long/short, its not the higher pH buffering its whatever is causing it which could be highly toxic even in small amounts. There are too many possibilities to list and it would be a guess anyway. Good luck!
Hiya, Some great comments there.. defo getting the grey matter working.. 😁🤔
Hi Andy! Great video as always! I agree with Mark and I don’t think it is the ph change that is causing your Koi’s to flash. My ph is between 8 to 8.5 with a Kh of around 12. However as soon winter starts my ph goes down to 7.5 due to rain and it happens very quick in just a couple days and my Koi’s don’t bother about it at all. All the Best and I will test filter floss here for you.
Thanks for that. You do have a high KH don't you. Looking forward to your results... 😉👍
Spring has sprung! I have a few fish that are flashing all over the place as well. Thanks for the video, sir.
My pleasure.. Thanks for watching..😉👍
Well thought through video despite not getting to the bottom of the problem. We use floss too so will ask Cat to d a similar test for comparison but all the same, a very informative vidro. Cheers Andy.
Hiya, Thanks for that. Will be interesting how others find the same tests.. 😉👍
WOW ...your fish look huge in this vid 😊
Yeah, they are putting alot of size on now the water is warmer and I can fed them more... 😉👍
Hi Andy, as your doing a few tests. It might be a good test to take some pond water measure the PH when you get it stabilised or you tap water at 7 and then add the treatments that you added to the pond and see if they have an affect in the PH after as I find it more likely it’s all the chemicals that you’ve added than the filter floss for the size of your pond. Every days a school day. Good luck
Hi Andy good video mate, I had a serious kh problem that needed bicarbonate boost to reset both kh and ph. Been stable since.
Interesting video , Andy . I`ve had similar issues with my PH fluctuating between 8.0 in the morning and 8.6 in the evening . Fish not happy . I believe one of the main causes is algae which blooms during the day and dies off at night . Ive had an issue with my UV ( blew 2 replacement bulbs) and also blanket weed is starting to sprout . I`m hoping , if I get these issues under control , then it should stabalise . Like you , my ponds not shaded , so probably wont help . I`ve also been told that adding extra air can help
Very strange Andy 🤔 the joys of the hobby 🐟😎👍🏻
Certainly keep you on your toes... 😉👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle and our hands in our wallets 🤣👍🏻
Hi. Really interesting, particularly as we've been looking at the pH swings throughout the day (although I'm not sure why that is suddenly a factor given that it must always be like that). We always run around 8, and I'll now start looking to see if there's any correlation with whether we have floss in or not. (Circumstantial evidence only)
Anyway just a thought on the filter floss. It may be possible to see if it is leaching an alkali if you do the test with a known amount of new floss in a known amount of water - then repeat with the same quantities of used floss once you take it out. It won't show you what pH change it produces in your pond volume, but it may give you an idea of whether washing the flow first will help.
Is that floss defo for aquatic use Andy, we use filter material in our spray booths at work and apparently it has anti bacterial properties added to it to stop it going mouldy.
Great vid as always 👍
We are all on a school day with Andy 😀
Hiya, Thanks for that. Yes, Its from an aquatic supplier that they use in Aquariums. I'm still keeping an eye on it as I use it just in case. Glad your enjoying the videos... 😉👍
Mate what a video crazy results will definitely be giving this a try see what results I get
Looking forward to hearing about your results... 😉👍
Hello from Portugal, Azores Islands. Thanks for sharing your experiences and always in a funny way. 😅
Was my pleasure, from me to you in the Azores Islands.. Glad your enjoying the videos.. 😉 👍
Flipping eh Andy glad your getting it under control
Thank you Carol...
Hi Andy I would say get some one else to do awater. Test on your personal Al water and see if the test is different if they use different items / stuff ? .
As I wall runa tap first over the garden then use the water from the tap into my delcor first as your way then my reading lower ?
Hiya, thanks for that. Not tried that yet. Interesting running the tap first before using it on the pond...🤔😉👍
Whatever you put on the filter system. Rinse it twice, soak in water for 3 days before using it.
Hi Andy, not quite sure what the manufacturing process of that stuff is but I think it might be an agent that is used to produce it. Unfortunately it looks like the fibre is retaining that agent.
Also as a fellow stokie keep the vids coming mate I look forward to watching them every time!
Hiya, Thanks for that fellow Stokie... 😉👍
Great video Andy love your school days im not sure its the ph thats causing them to flash sulk maybe but if i get a ph swing they dont flash they just sulk.
But there must be a chemical of some kind on the filter floss that is causing the ph crashes and what ever that chemical is that is causing the ph to change that itself could be whats causing the flashing good luck though 👍
Thank for that mate. Yeah strange one I've not had ro deal with before...🤔🤔
Here in Surbiton @ 6pm, my tap water is 8ph and the pond is 9ph. I'll test again in the morning.
Just makes you wonder how the expensive fish manage to survive in their muddy silt ponds in the Japanese hills. I bet they dont fiddle with their water quality all the time. Maybe the fault is all ours because we strive to have crystal waters. Heyho PS love your videos.
Hiya, glad your enjoying the videos.. Yeah we spend time playing with the water so we can see those expensive fish which may have an impact on the fish at times.. no good having the fish if you can't see them.. 😉👍
Hi Andy, now this one has got me curious mate. Last year, in the couple of months leading up to winter my koi were flashing, but with no further symptoms and nothing from any scrapes. To keep it short, it calmed down in the winter, but there was far less need to change the filter wool as I was hardly feeding. I also wasn’t keeping my KH as high as I should have been. As the temps came up the flashing started again and I did eventually find costia, but could be coincidence and due to stress from something else. Anyway, all has appeared ok so far this year, with the exception of last week, I saw a couple of koi flash after a water and filter wool change. Calmed down the next day tho. But I think it may be worth me carrying out a few tests like you have done, just to check. Not sure when I will get the chance tho, as just had my day off today. Just finished a water and filter change 10 minutes ago actually, so too late to test this time. Cheers for now, I’ll let you know 👍🏼
Thanks for that. Don't ya just love it when the thought process gets a good testing.. Looking forward to hearing about your results so I can share them.. 😉👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle HaHa, yes mate. Always good to think things through. I had months of trying to suss this one out. I perhaps blamed the entire period on the Costia, when that may just have been the latter stages. I’ll let you know when I can mate. 👍🏼
Have you done a control where you leave a bucket of just tap water overnight. Maybe the there a chemical in your tap water that dissipates.
now that is a really good point I will have to try.. 😉👍
Also, on the contrary to koi but relative, a higher KH of around 6-8 in my tropical tanks will always stable back to 7. I have this problem with my African Chiclid tank (pushing down) and my C02 planted (pushing up). I can't quite work out why it always works in the tropical tanks, but not in the koi pond.
A fair few school days in this video Andy, hope you've managed to stabilise your ph. My pH is normally around 8, I think I was told up to 8.5 and the fish won't mind
Hiya, Yeah pH is back where it should be thank goodness. I thought the video was going to go on forever...😁😉👍
Found it helpful!, my tap water was looking like 6.5!, and my pond 7, I added a little bit of Kh/gh buffer
The floss comment someone posted was interesting too
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it... 😉👍
Great video mate 👍 I remember getting rediculed for saying we're all water keepers instead of Koi keepers. Thing is, if you don't look after your water you won't be Koi keepers for long.... just saying.
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Super your rain and tap are 7 More acid rain this spring 😳 Tap water had been > 8.5 So crazy But part of the hobby 😊
Hiya, yes so many in's and Out's of the hobby to keep us on our toes...😉👍
Hi Andy. What is the difference in pH between morning and Evening? If its pretty stable then its probably not likely to be that causing the flashing, albeit I would still prefer to lower it if its been at 8.8.
In regards to why it's risen from the level that your tap water is at, have you added any more air/air stones to the pond? Is there any more Algae build up than usual? Have you used a different food? Used Bi-carb at all?
Hiya, Thanks for that. No more air added, Water is very clear, food is the same and treats used last year, No Bicarb.. Very Weird mate... Still looking into a number of things but no solid result yet... 🤔🤔😉
Lemon Juice in the pond brings down PH put 8 halves in the pond if it’s very high then quarter cup of Distilled Vinegar.
I did thin about the Vinegar but didn't want to mess anything else up if I got it wrong... 🤔🤔
Andy, the ph of tap water goes up when it’s settled. So if you take a sample of water and let it sit for 24hrs it will naturally go up. So that’s what’s likely happened with your test on the filter floss, not that the floss has made the ph rise.
Your ponds ph will have gone up from lots of fresh water going in and that fresh water settling. When you start to put less water in the kh will be consumed by the filters and that will steadily lower the ph as the kh level drops 👍
I feel another test coming on now..😉👍
As mentioned above you need to do a control test with just water overnight and test before/after
Yeah good idea...
im not a fish keeper im a learnard water filtration manager and when i was running my reef marine system a very special water filtration monitor lol. what is near your air pump and how long is it running because there might be something the pump is picking up and pumping it through the water
ive always used floss even on my mariane system and alot if the time if the airpump was in a high co2 rich area that can affect the ph of the water here in coventry ive had ph from the tap as high as 8 as a normal. the ph on your floss could be coming off dust or fumes in the air that have landed on the outer layer of your roll it looks like you have a good gas exchange from the surface so id look into the where the pump is and the enviroment of the air being pumped
Thanks for that. Some good comments there. My air pump is located in the garage and has been there from day one and I can't think of any changes in the garage at the time if the increase 🤔. However now you've mentioned it I'm going to take a good look in the garage...😉👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle It could be something as simple as a clogged intakes filter
The pH from tape water is not representing of the actual pH. Once the chlorine gases off and the water stabilises, usually around 3 days you'll find the pH will have increased to it's actual level. Also with the shear amount of sun we are having at present, photosynthesis will increase the pH levels during the day. Once the sun starts to go down, the pH starts to lower in the pond. Anything more than .2 on the pH scale and your fish will respond. They hate it. Your fish will have been flashing more in the evening I'd bet. So just adding fresh water to combat it is only giving you a false positive. You'll also be stressing the fish a bit with the pH swings. The only true way of stabilizing the pH is to run RO or Recycle RO. Do not start adding pH up/down products. The filter wool is not the problem.
Hiya, Thanks for that. Iv'e rejected the wool for now due to the small amount I use. Good points there as well to pursue. Thank you...😉👍
Hi Andy. We have just put out a new video with a similar test on the filter floss done by Cat. Hope it helps.
Excellent. Thank you... Looking forward to seeing it..😉👍
Hi mate I've used filter floss for years and not noticed anything affecting the pond. Has something got onto the floss to contaminate it? But i will give mine a test and let you know. Every days a school day. Stay safe Andy 👍
Thanks for that Andy.. 😉👍
I think you’re chasing your tail around thinking a high PH would cause fish to flash. I only see my fish flash if my PH is low. My pond and tap water is normally 8.5. We have had a very wet year here in Australia. I’m constantly having to put Bi carb to keep the PH in check.
I used filter floss in my bakki shower last year and ph was always fine. Maybe it's due the amount of treatments you put in maybe 🤔
Might have a point there Dave... 🤔
Did you use PP? Just thinking potassium has a higher PH. The other thing I was thinking about is ammonia, as that's got a strong alkaline pH.
Beneficial bacteria (Aquascapes especially) and using NT Labs Health mixed with other things has been good. I'm also going to install a cyclone pre filter today and try JPD Shori Growth out
Hiya, thanks for that. FM&G for the first couple of weeks then Fluke solve, so shouldn't really have affected the PH so badly to begin with.. Defo got the grey matter working.. 😉👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle F-M-G has a pH of around 6-7, so fine. I had a high pH with Oyster Shells also early last year, so may well be them?
I had same problem put shade on all day it worked
Hiya, thanks for that. I do have a large brolly to shade half the pond for the majority of the day when the sun is out. Maybe I need to see if I can get a larger brolly to cover more of the pond?
Try and put a flame to a peace and see if it lights . As it maybe as a chemical to stop fires . Lick quilting material. my old koi delear told my to stay away from any thing that was for in a home as you don't now what's been added to it .apparently the foams were weres. Just a thought cheers
Thanks for that.. I see another test coming on there using flames... Now that could be interesting..😀🤔👍😁
@KoiPondLifestyle it's going to be interesting i know if you get some old fomes, have a white powder that comes out
Could it be the fluke treatment sending the pH up ?
Thanks for that. Possibly, I'm looking at mixing some into some pond water then testing the water.. 🤔😉👍
You need to do a control test of pond water left in just that bucket for the same length of time as the filter wool ... that is a cheap builders bucket made from recycled plastic which could have also been in contact with all manner of caustic and toxic chemicals in the past.
Just as a matter of interest what is your yearly expected budget for fish parasite and water treatments? ... have you ever had a year when you got no parasite outbreaks?
Hiya, treatments continue to be very expensive again year on year. I always have a few treatments in just in case I can't get to my supplier so can just get on with it. I currently have around £150 of different treatments in stock which include blanket weed treatments. I would estimate maybe another £60 if more treatments are required through the season? I've not added any fish this year so hoping it's just last year's legacy that's come and gone through spring..🤞🤞😉👍
Lost a load of fish to ph crash when using a treatment, gutted me tbh absolutely gutted me
If the floss is the cause OMG. Nylon floss must be inert. One issue with cheap floss intended for home stuffing is fire retardant. Just a thought….
Hiya, Thanks for that.. Your not the first to think about that so wondering if its been contaminated somehow? 🤔
@@KoiPondLifestyle will certainly make me think twice when buying non aquarium branded floss. More “scientific” investigation required by KPL😀
Where are you storing your floss .. is it in a bag ? .. is something in the enviroment youre keeping the floss in contaminating it giving the ph change ?
Hiya, Now there is a good point. it was in a bag until winter then I started storing it on the roll hanging it in the garage.. Could it be picking something up in there now its put of the bag... 🤔🤔
@@KoiPondLifestyle that is my thought it's getting contaminated with something
I don’t think it’s much of a comparison pal to compare a little floss in half a bucket compared to a massive load of water pal tbh I think you’re looking in the wrong place there buddy but I do appreciate your thoroughness
Good points there mate... 😉👍
I can NOT believe that the filter floss is doing it. How many gallons is your pond? Even if it changes the PH of 2-3 inches in a bucket…it would take TONS more to alter your ponds PH just because of the shear fact of volume.
Jij moet er ook meer zuurstof in jou vijver doen teweinig zuurstof gaan de koi ook schuren
Bedankt voor je reacties. Goed punt. Ik zorgde ervoor dat ik tijdens de behandelingen al mijn lucht leeg had, dus er had een penty lucht in de vijver en de filters moeten zijn.. Proost.. 😉👍
My ph out of tap is 6.6 but i let it in a bucket for 24 hours then it goes bk up to 7.4 maybe you have alot of co2 in you're tap water like me
Really good observation..😉👍
@KoiPondLifestyle I'm just here to help pal has I'm still learning :) 👍
Every day is a school day mate...😉👍
Its very strange how your getting these results now !! Specially as you've been using the floss for a while now and its never happened to you before...
Yep. Hit the nail on the head there mate... 🤔🤔
My pond has lowered it self to 6.0
What is it usually..🤔
I dont see where you have made a 'mistake'. Unless i missed something I dont see what you 'did' so that the ph went high ??? I had this issue a few weeks ago..my ph is always either 7.4 or 7.7 and all of a sudden it went to 8.6. I did a few water changes and for some reason it dropped back to 7.7. My alk/kh is always around 5.0. As far as I can tell/remember nothing changed and yet this swing disappeared as quickly as it appeared. Filter floss...W T F.....hells bells.....but you've always used filter floss..is this a new batch ??. That said..I don't use filter floss so I still have no idea why my ph spiked and then dropped....there must be a chemical in the filter floss you bought...
Hiya, Some good pints there.. The floss is the same roll I used last year, so was thinking as its rolled up could it have been contaminated during production, but again with the small pieces I use why would it produce such a sudden increase... 'School Day' ...😀🤔👍
Skimmer now fixed in one place so does not lift out of the pond. th-cam.com/video/fLuX9LIF3Bs/w-d-xo.html
Plants are lacking
Hiya, unfortunately I don't have anywhere to put them as the pond is 5ft deep and no ledges. I have thought about hanging something off the edges. Nitrate has never been an issue for me so never really put any effort into vegetation. 🤔😉👍
th-cam.com/video/q_NOdF3cZsU/w-d-xo.html Pond Treatments can make a differance to PH even after a few days of finishing the treatments.