This car will always have a special place in my heart, it was my first EV and I got it after watching some of Björn's videos on it. I will forever be grateful for that experience, as it taught me first-hand what owning an EV looks like, without much hassle, and without any issues. I hope they will find a way to fit a custom battery in it at some point, let's say 10 years time - which will be able to hold for example 50kW, charge at 100+ kW and still retain (or lose some of its) weight.
Back in 2017 when I got my classic ioniq, in the summertime I always brought freezer elements, and small fans to feed cold air into the intake. Don't know if it helped, in my mind it helped 😊 I drove 200k in less than 3 years, one of the best cars I ever owned 👍👍
I did 249 miles (400km) in my Ioniq one day last week - leaving home with 100% charge I only needed to charge once when I got where I was going - arrived with 12% after 125 miles (200km) and charged back up to 94% at a Tesla supercharger (30 minuets) and got back home with just 8 miles (12km) remaining! A bit more than half the trip was on the motorway (70mph - 110kmh) the rest was on normal roads, probably averaging 40mph - 65kmh? My efficiency for the whole trip was 5.4mi/kWh (11.51kw/100km). The classic Ioniq is still awesome.
@@phenex551 yes, the Ioniq is SO efficient. I've had 6mi/kWh (10.36 kWh/100km) over 115 miles (185km) already this year. I look at newer EVs with larger batteries and wonder why people are buying them? 🤪
@@FFVoyagerI’m driving for 1000km , with my family (4 people) and baggage, with AC auto 22C and cruise on speed 100kmh , I can reach 160-180 km by one charge from 94% to 10% , average consumptions was 13-15 kW, how u can get 10 ?))
I made a tunnel out of plastic that runs cold air from the air vents on the back of the mid console into the air intake for the battery cooling. When driving, the battery cools down MUCH faster after I did that. Especially in the summer.
I drove the Ioniq Classic and now own the Ioniq 6 AWD, which is a worthy successor in terms of efficiency. It regularly stays below WLTP and I use about 14-15kWh/100km (1-2kWh more in Winter). The IOniq Classic was a fabulous car! I sold it, because it stayed 14 month at the dealer, because - as it turned out in the end - a electrical cable had a contact problem, that stranded me regularly with a check engine light and a warning not to drive any further. Hyundai spend roughly 25k€ (it was all on guarantee) for rental cars and spare parts until this was found, so I am not upset about it. The repair cost only a few Euros once the cause was actually found (real facepalm moment). But the service by Hyundai was excellent and that made me stay and buy another one.
I have Ioniq 28kw Premium SE. Bjorn was the reason I bought this car. The car is fantastic. I made 3900km trip with my family and the average consumption was around 15kw/100km. It is really cheap travelling. I charged every 100-120km just for peace in my soul :) but anyway I had to stop because of the dog. And also I wasnt tired at all.
I agree , I’m 193 cm and 115 kg weight , I bought Ioniq after selling my hybrid sonata 2011 , and I’m very glad because ioniq more comfortable then sonata 👌👍
The Ioniq was the perfect car to become e-mobility addicted and I definitely am. The model Y was the logical successor. Thanks for taking an Ioniq to the test again! Best wishes, Karl.
I fully concur. I got a second hand ioniq 3 years ago and we recently swapped my wife's car to a model Y. I cannot think of another car to swap the ioniq for. Mainly used for my 41mile (66km) daily commute.
Seeing your consumption,you must be really fast. In summer time i could cool down battery by driving, but max 115km/h. Now my son is driving it 115k km. Great video. Thanks
@ChrisHaupt Because it's a very practical BEV. You can easily go with 5 people or several big dogs. The driving is very good. It's driving like a "heavy" hatchback. But for an EV, it's also not that heavy. Very reliable, great warranty. Never had a problem. The build quality is also good. I didn't notice that over the years, there was a battery degradation! And it's very efficient, 1 KWh / 8,5 km. I called my Niro, Rhino! It's bulky and fast!
@@ChrisHaupt Yes, it is more spacious than the Ioniq. And if you, want to camping buy at least the 2020 version. 3 fase charging, 4g connected and plug you EV with regular connection, to charge you tablet or so. More head space. The Kia e Niro is built on the same platform as the Hyundai Ioniq. So it's drives the same....❤ And finally, it's has a much bigger battery! So you can use your bigger battery longer of the grid!
Just made a trip Riga - Zakopane (around 1100 km) with the classic Ioniq and it was flawless. I was scared of autobahn consumption and driving, but driving 120-130 kmh is pretty comfortable even with frequent charging stops. The main problem is polish charging infrastructure, which is not yet developed enough comparing to Baltic states. I think I would not notice that if I drove a car with a large battery, but driving my ioniq I could clearly see that sometimes there were situations where I could not get to the next charger if something goes wrong with the one that I was aiming for 💀 (luckily everything went perfect). For example, there is one 90 km gap between two chargers. And chargers are old 50 kw and with only one charging spot. Other than that, everything went perfect. I did not do 1100 km in one day - I stayed in Warsaw and then moved on to Krakow - Zakopane. It was my first really long trip with my ioniq in more than 2 years of ownership. Before that maximum I drove was 550 km. Thanks to this car, Bjorn to recommend it in his old videos and Polish people for the warm welcome! 😊
Thanks to your tests, I bought the 2019 Ioniq, and we are still satisfied with it. great car at a good price and very economical. Many thanks for this test. Greetings from Poland
I think the reason you are getting too much battery heat is that the internal resistance of the cells increases with age; and therefore when you increase current through the cells (during both charging and discharging) more heat is generated inside the cells. Of course the BMS is programmed for new cells which heat up much slower, and can't detect the excess heat until it's too late. It would be interesting to repeat this test at a maximum of 100kmh because the much lower power draw, improved efficiency and less rapid gating may result in a similar trip time.
You should compared it with the 38kWh model because you only knew the faulty BMS version of the 38 kWh model. They were updated! Now the 38 kWh model charging longer at 48 kW speed. The slowdown of the 48 kW Wave is later. I got both models and i think on 500km the 38 kWh model and the 28 kWh model this would be a nice race. Especially in summer. On longer trips I prefer the 38 kWh model in summer because it doesn't rapidgate. In winter i prefer my 28 kWh model because it doesn't coldgate.
Yes one of the reasons we opted for the 38 over the 28 here in Oz is because of the cooling. It was a good decision because we've just had the opposite of Norway's cold winter. Been over 30°C for the last 6 months and only now beginning to get cold.
The classic Ioniq was and still is a great used choice. No wonder Hyundai kept the name and spawn it into its own sub-brand today and the newer Ioniq 800V architecture still kicks arse.
Recently I did a sort of 1000 km challenge with my little Dacia spring... The final adjusted time would be about 19 hours... The theoretical time would be about 13 but it rapidgates like a mofo... At one point it was at 60% and showing me I needed 2 more hours to get to 80%... So the moral of the story is this car shouldn't go more than about 800km in a day
@@wocket42 yeah it's obvious you can't get the peak numbers for any length of time... You either settle for longer waiting times charging or higher consumption numbers travelling in colder times... Or not doing any long trips... I bought it for commute and for that it's fine... I really relish the ease of driving
Well, looking at the table at 31:07 it's not efficency that made Ioniq win this challenges. i3 and e-Golf are as efficent as the Ioniq and Leaf and e-Up are even more efficent. It's the bigger battery compared with relative fast charging that in the end makes the difference.
„Hammering“ will never be the fastest way to move the classic Ioniq i guess. I never ever experienced overheating in 4 years driving around 110-120 on Autobahn, even on trips with 6 or more charging stops. It always took around >65kW on every stop!
Very cool to see the classic ioniq making a comeback. We'll be going on a 1200km trip to Sweden with my 28Khw ioniq this summer, curious to see how it will go but i think we'll do alright, i've done many 'long' trips (400-500km) in this car already. Charges quick (usually a steady 70KW up to 80%) and it doesn't noticably rapidgate. If you want reduced tyrenoise: I've recently put michelin primacy 4 tyres on the ioniq and it does make a huge difference, the car is extremely quiet now. I'm surpised by the consumption though, it's pretty high. Even at 130km/h i still only consume around 17Kwh/100km
Can confirm the comment about the Primacy 4 tires. Also make sure not to inflate them too much or they’ll become noisy. 2,6 bars at 10C ambient is just about perfectly striking the balance between comfort/efficiency. Maybe 2,5 bars is better at higher temperatures (20-30C ambient) as they’ll heat up and pressure increases while driving. All pressures measured when car has been parked for a few hours in the shade of course.
Next friday I will be doing my own 500km challenge with my classic Ioniq, I like to share the results with you Bjorn if you are interested. The test will be done in Catalonia, Spain, From Girona to Amposta and back, through the AP7 highway
Are you going to do the 500km with a Mini Cooper S E? It is basically a front wheel drive i3 but from owners I know with both an i3 and an electric Mini the Mini is more efficient despite being heavier but it has a more aerodynamic shape.
I did a 547km road trip 3 years ago in our 2017 28kWh Ioniq. We managed to do it with 4 stops to charge, but our road speeds are much lower at 100kph max. Over the 547km we did 1hr 10mins of charging abd 6hrs driving.
You can remove the floor in the trunk and then you can remove the following piece. Then you see the air channel outlet to understand where the air goes.
The air flow from the cabin is weird in this car, in mine I took apart the rear to see what the vent in the middle of the trunk does, it is likely the exhaust for all the ioniq variants, but is somewhat useless in the electric version because it’s preferable to exhaust more of the cabin air through the battery to condition it, and there is no short cycling into the cabin via the rear exhaust. I blocked mine and filled it with insulation, now in winter the trunk is no longer frozen solid, and with a thermal camera I noticed air now exits via the seatbelt upper holes in addition to battery, which is preferable for the rear passengers anyway.
Yeah, it was a great car. Still miss it sometimes. 82km/h avg. is pretty much as fast as it gets on long distance, very little potential for optimisation left. Also speed doesn't make a big difference. Anything between 100-130km/h will yield the same 80-83km/h avg.
Great channel! Considering buying a 38KWh classic Ioniq in the UK (3-4 years old, around 30k miles) as I dont want an SUV EV - increasingly difficult to avoid nowadays! Is it still relevant in 2024 or do I hold out until MG4s (for example) become more common on the 2nd hand car market? What a conundrum!
The deal-breaker with the MG4 for me is the lane keeping assist that incorrectly assesses if you are in lane and guides the steering wheel if it thinks you're out. Some reviewers have said this nearly led them to crash and it can't be turned off permanently... because of safety standards 😂
I dont know Bjørn, i have a Ioniq with 132.000km on the clock but i think this Ioniq consumption is high. Touch the rear Breaks and feel if they are hot. Because mine had defective rear Breaks and similar consumption above 20 Wh/km
Another great video on the classic Ioniq. As a side topic I whantede to ask a question to Björn and others that watchs the video: does everyone have a knowledge if there's Ioniqs equipped with a dieselheater (gasoline or ethanol would do as well)? With such aquipment a car with this small battery would be more suitable for the hash winters in this part of the word. A 3-4 kW heater would be enough to keep the cabin warm enough to not spend energy from the main battery. Sutch a heater would only consume 0,2-0,3 liters/hour ( read per 100 km), that is ca 1/20 of an dieselcar. Please let me know!
General rule of thumb is to hammer it as long as charging speed is higher than discharging speed. At 220 Wh/km and 125 km/h, average discharge is 27.5 kW only. And charging speed is 55-60 kW.
Moin... Aus Niedersachsen Deutschland. Wie hoch war der Reifendruck? Ich habe die Erfahrung gemacht, das 2,8 bar optimal zwischen Komfort u effizients ist. Bei drei bar sind die Abrollgeräusche der Reifen schon sehr laut und jede kleinere Unebenheit ist dann zu spüren. Also bei 2,8 bar habe ich ein Verbrauch um 11 kWh/100 km bei Temperaturen um 20° plus und Tempo 115 kmh GPS Noch nie hatte ich ein Verbrauch über 18 kWh/100 km. Selbst im Winter bei Minusgraden nicht! Habe ich das etwa falsch verstanden, mit dem Verbrauch von über 21 kWh/100 km, in dem 500 km Test? Auch die Ladegeschwindigkeit ist bei meinem ioniq VfL fast immer über 65 kW bis etwa 77% Dann fällt die Geschwindigkeit sehr langsam auf 50 kW bei etwa 87% Was ich bestätigen kann, ist die Temperatur des Akkus und die Geschwindigkeit des Lüfters zur Kühlung. Mein ioniq VfL hat ebenfalls 70.000 km gelaufen.
Do you have a link for the “wall e” 3-phase 16A to 1-phase transformer? I like your setup with an adapter from the Type 2 charger to 3-phase 380V plug. Did it come with the “wall e”?
With these "lilli-butt"-battery classics the outside temperature has a huge effect on the consumption. I have to test this challenge with my 24kWh eGolf.
I know that Is not intresting but you should try this challenge with the 38kWh Ioniq, i Think It Is faster than 28. 500km i Think Is the right range for te 38😉
V4 works for everyone, very easy. For V3 you may need to fiddle with the charging plug so it fits below the LED in the port. It worked for me for my FL fine a couple of times. But not every Ioniq port may be the same
This car seems to rapid gate a lot strangely. My classic hyundai ioniq almost never rapid gate and when it rapid gate, at the next charging stop it already don't rapid gate anymore
As you mentioned.. I would love to see you testing the i3 120Ah. version with the 500 km challenge You never tested it during summer anyway . Could you? Anyway, an amazing result of the ionic!! Do you know what the battery degradation is of this car? It must be very good I assume!
More expensive with thicker wires. And then the fuse needs to be for 22 kW which means I can't have 3x22 kW Easee there. Since I most cars today supports 11 kW, 22 kW is overkill. And only a few older cars support 1-phase. In those cases, 25 A with the transformer is already good enough. That's 78 % of the maximum power.
@@bjornnyland I checked that 3times. Can't really sure which one would be the right one. :( Only some discount links, repair shops, Tesla stuff, app, you're gear, OBD, etc.
I tend to think, they did it on purpose. Though there's a drawback: the motor / gear noise and the fact that the definitive solution is not clear. It affects Kona and Niro too
Same here, seems odd. My 2019 on stock rims and tires gets about 150Wh/km at 110kmh. Even on 18" Rays CE28 with 235 wide performance tires, highway consumption is still only about 190Wh/km.
@@bjornnyland Normally at German Autobahn with 120-130 kmh. I also tested some times full throttle. Then the battery was empty after 100 km and the Gom says around 25-26 kWh. I make also holiday drives across Europe and then the consumption was so 15-16 kWh. But I never see in normally life over 20 kWh.
You could go a bit further before having to stop, but you would still need to charge twice in 500km and I think you would be plugged in for close to 90 minutes. Bjorn only has to stop 3 times for a total of around 60 minutes with the 28.
@@FFVoyager at 215Wh/km (which I think is high) you need 108 kWh. That's not economic with 2 charges on the 38kWh as charging to 100% takes many hours. You need three at 33 or more minutes each (charging up from 5 to 55-60%).
There is nothing to fix. If you drive this car @110km/h, no rapid gate, no crazy consumption. Yes, you lose a few minutes on a 500km trip, but it costs way less and the car is not being stressed so hard. I don't get the point of consuming 200Wh/km on an Ioniq and charge every 100km. This is no real usecase.
@@bjornnyland If I calculate a trip in a better route planner from Frankfurt to Hamburg, which has a length of nearly 500km, I get the following results with the Ioniq28: Travel time @ max. 150km/h: 5h 26m with 4 charging stops and 190Wh/km (95,8kWh spend in 503km). With 110km/h I get 5h 49m with 3 charging stops and 141Wh/km (70,7kwh spend in 502km). 25kWh less equals to roughly 15,5€ on long trips in Germany, as an exchange for 23 minutes. This equals to a salary of net 40€ per hour. Most people do not earn 40€/h net in Germany. 23 Minutes....thats 6,6% of total trip duration. So, I would rather prefer to travel with 110km/h on long trips with the Ioniq and get for my both children a big icecream for the saved energy cost.
@@bjornnyland Oh, thats weird, I just wrote you a non offensive answer in order to explain, that for a real trip from Frankfurt to Hamburg you only save 23 minutes by driving max. 150km/h instead 110km/h as an exchange for 15,5€ of energy cost difference. All calculated with abetterroutplanner with details. But somehow my response is gone...or 'g..o..n'. I hope, that I'm only blind and not able to find it anymore.
Your big mistake is speed, at 120 km/h you are seriously draining the battery, once you pass 100 km/h the battery usage ramps up drastically, you will basically increase usage by about 30% to gain the extra 20 km/h and over a 500 km drive that extra 20 km will save you 50 minutes driving time but cost you more than that in extra charging time not to mention the extra energy costs.
@@larsenpetter He had done the test with the 38kwh whitout the BMS update I think. I own a 2022 38kwh Ioniq and it has a much better charging speed that the one in his video...
It doesn't charge fast enough. My ioniq charges much faster than this. On a Tesla charger, it charges 69 kW between 65-78%. Most likely, there is newer software on it. No car charges as fast as my ioniq. It's weird because mine doesn't even heat up that much.
When you compare older EVs you should compare same generations/year therefore its more fair to compare the Ionic to a 2017 I3 or golf. Keep up testing older evs.
@@samusaran7317 It was a brilliant car in its day. I bought one in 2017 and kept it 5 years, and I still miss it sometimes. Range aside, it still beats most current EVs overall. And it's extremely well made, durable and reliable. Mine didn't need a single repair or spare part outside of wiper blades, cabin air filters and tires in 5 years and 250'000km.
I bought ioniq classic in Ukraine for my family , very nice car , I bought it because you done full serial of Ioniq tests , thx u :)
Classic Ioniq videos are my favorite! Thank you Björn for good work!
Classic ENV200 videos are my favorites
This car will always have a special place in my heart, it was my first EV and I got it after watching some of Björn's videos on it. I will forever be grateful for that experience, as it taught me first-hand what owning an EV looks like, without much hassle, and without any issues. I hope they will find a way to fit a custom battery in it at some point, let's say 10 years time - which will be able to hold for example 50kW, charge at 100+ kW and still retain (or lose some of its) weight.
Back in 2017 when I got my classic ioniq, in the summertime I always brought freezer elements, and small fans to feed cold air into the intake. Don't know if it helped, in my mind it helped 😊 I drove 200k in less than 3 years, one of the best cars I ever owned 👍👍
200 000km in 3 years? My god, you have my respect😁
How many faults did you have with the car in the 200k distance
@@raptorpome2577 one of the three lights indicating seat heating went wrong, warranty took care of that👍nothing else👍
200k in 3 years? Bro was probably doing Uber cause there's no way you'll reach that numbers with just normal driving routine! 😅
I did 249 miles (400km) in my Ioniq one day last week - leaving home with 100% charge I only needed to charge once when I got where I was going - arrived with 12% after 125 miles (200km) and charged back up to 94% at a Tesla supercharger (30 minuets) and got back home with just 8 miles (12km) remaining!
A bit more than half the trip was on the motorway (70mph - 110kmh) the rest was on normal roads, probably averaging 40mph - 65kmh?
My efficiency for the whole trip was 5.4mi/kWh (11.51kw/100km).
The classic Ioniq is still awesome.
Incredible!
I’m averaging that efficiency in my 2014 i3 REx, however that is without using HVAC and 90% city driving. 😢
@@phenex551 yes, the Ioniq is SO efficient. I've had 6mi/kWh (10.36 kWh/100km) over 115 miles (185km) already this year.
I look at newer EVs with larger batteries and wonder why people are buying them? 🤪
@@FFVoyagerI’m driving for 1000km , with my family (4 people) and baggage, with AC auto 22C and cruise on speed 100kmh , I can reach 160-180 km by one charge from 94% to 10% , average consumptions was 13-15 kW, how u can get 10 ?))
I made a tunnel out of plastic that runs cold air from the air vents on the back of the mid console into the air intake for the battery cooling. When driving, the battery cools down MUCH faster after I did that. Especially in the summer.
I drove the Ioniq Classic and now own the Ioniq 6 AWD, which is a worthy successor in terms of efficiency. It regularly stays below WLTP and I use about 14-15kWh/100km (1-2kWh more in Winter). The IOniq Classic was a fabulous car! I sold it, because it stayed 14 month at the dealer, because - as it turned out in the end - a electrical cable had a contact problem, that stranded me regularly with a check engine light and a warning not to drive any further. Hyundai spend roughly 25k€ (it was all on guarantee) for rental cars and spare parts until this was found, so I am not upset about it. The repair cost only a few Euros once the cause was actually found (real facepalm moment). But the service by Hyundai was excellent and that made me stay and buy another one.
Just bought myself an classic ioniq. Partly thanks to your videos!
Same here!
I have Ioniq 28kw Premium SE. Bjorn was the reason I bought this car. The car is fantastic. I made 3900km trip with my family and the average consumption was around 15kw/100km. It is really cheap travelling. I charged every 100-120km just for peace in my soul :) but anyway I had to stop because of the dog. And also I wasnt tired at all.
I agree , I’m 193 cm and 115 kg weight , I bought Ioniq after selling my hybrid sonata 2011 , and I’m very glad because ioniq more comfortable then sonata 👌👍
I got this 28kw Hyundai IONIQ because of your old videos :) Thank you because it is really the best EV for the money! :)
*28 kWh
The Ioniq was the perfect car to become e-mobility addicted and I definitely am. The model Y was the logical successor.
Thanks for taking an Ioniq to the test again!
Best wishes, Karl.
I fully concur. I got a second hand ioniq 3 years ago and we recently swapped my wife's car to a model Y.
I cannot think of another car to swap the ioniq for. Mainly used for my 41mile (66km) daily commute.
Seeing your consumption,you must be really fast. In summer time i could cool down battery by driving, but max 115km/h. Now my son is driving it 115k km. Great video. Thanks
I sell my Ioniq classic to buy an e Niro 64KWh, but I still kinda miss it. Both, in my opinion, are the best BEV for reasonable prices!
what do you prefer about the Niro?
@ChrisHaupt
Because it's a very practical BEV. You can easily go with 5 people or several big dogs. The driving is very good. It's driving like a "heavy" hatchback. But for an EV, it's also not that heavy.
Very reliable, great warranty. Never had a problem. The build quality is also good. I didn't notice that over the years, there was a battery degradation!
And it's very efficient, 1 KWh / 8,5 km.
I called my Niro, Rhino! It's bulky and fast!
@@yingmustang67 So it's more spacious than the ioniq? Trying to work out which one is best for car camping.
@@ChrisHaupt
Yes, it is more spacious than the Ioniq. And if you, want to camping buy at least the 2020 version. 3 fase charging, 4g connected and plug you EV with regular connection, to charge you tablet or so. More head space.
The Kia e Niro is built on the same platform as the Hyundai Ioniq. So it's drives the same....❤
And finally, it's has a much bigger battery! So you can use your bigger battery longer of the grid!
Love your tests of these classic EVs 👍 So many aspects to discuss besides the pure fun of you challenging the old(er) tech. Never boring...
Great car! unfortunately no follow-up model from Hyundai. In 2017 we bought a classic Ioniq and it was a good choice! We still own it today!
Facelift was great as well, despite the unfortunately terrible CCS charging speed, but same low consumption and in summer 300km range.
This one can do the 1000km in under 12,5h. Crazy for that tiny battery!
Ioniq Classic and Ionic Facelift are to this day legend and the best you can get for your money. Ioniq Classic was the best car i have ever owned!
I have both, classic and Facelift. I am Happy with both. 😊
Just made a trip Riga - Zakopane (around 1100 km) with the classic Ioniq and it was flawless. I was scared of autobahn consumption and driving, but driving 120-130 kmh is pretty comfortable even with frequent charging stops. The main problem is polish charging infrastructure, which is not yet developed enough comparing to Baltic states. I think I would not notice that if I drove a car with a large battery, but driving my ioniq I could clearly see that sometimes there were situations where I could not get to the next charger if something goes wrong with the one that I was aiming for 💀 (luckily everything went perfect). For example, there is one 90 km gap between two chargers. And chargers are old 50 kw and with only one charging spot. Other than that, everything went perfect. I did not do 1100 km in one day - I stayed in Warsaw and then moved on to Krakow - Zakopane. It was my first really long trip with my ioniq in more than 2 years of ownership. Before that maximum I drove was 550 km. Thanks to this car, Bjorn to recommend it in his old videos and Polish people for the warm welcome! 😊
Best in class. Miss my old Ioniq Classic, probably buying some for my wife soon.
Thanks to your tests, I bought the 2019 Ioniq, and we are still satisfied with it. great car at a good price and very economical. Many thanks for this test. Greetings from Poland
I think the reason you are getting too much battery heat is that the internal resistance of the cells increases with age;
and therefore when you increase current through the cells (during both charging and discharging) more heat is generated inside the cells.
Of course the BMS is programmed for new cells which heat up much slower, and can't detect the excess heat until it's too late.
It would be interesting to repeat this test at a maximum of 100kmh because the much lower power draw, improved efficiency and less rapid gating may result in a similar trip time.
You should compared it with the 38kWh model because you only knew the faulty BMS version of the 38 kWh model.
They were updated! Now the 38 kWh model charging longer at 48 kW speed. The slowdown of the 48 kW Wave is later.
I got both models and i think on 500km the 38 kWh model and the 28 kWh model this would be a nice race. Especially in summer.
On longer trips I prefer the 38 kWh model in summer because it doesn't rapidgate. In winter i prefer my 28 kWh model because it doesn't coldgate.
Yes one of the reasons we opted for the 38 over the 28 here in Oz is because of the cooling. It was a good decision because we've just had the opposite of Norway's cold winter. Been over 30°C for the last 6 months and only now beginning to get cold.
We need more tests of used EVs! Amazing work!
IONIQ ftw!
The classic Ioniq was and still is a great used choice. No wonder Hyundai kept the name and spawn it into its own sub-brand today and the newer Ioniq 800V architecture still kicks arse.
I have a Classic Ioniq Premium, a Twizy and a Tesla, and all fine.❤😊
Recently I did a sort of 1000 km challenge with my little Dacia spring... The final adjusted time would be about 19 hours... The theoretical time would be about 13 but it rapidgates like a mofo... At one point it was at 60% and showing me I needed 2 more hours to get to 80%... So the moral of the story is this car shouldn't go more than about 800km in a day
Or only charge at destination chargers/at home. Seems perfect for that.
@@wocket42 yeah it's obvious you can't get the peak numbers for any length of time... You either settle for longer waiting times charging or higher consumption numbers travelling in colder times... Or not doing any long trips... I bought it for commute and for that it's fine... I really relish the ease of driving
Efficiency King. Hyundai hit it out of the park on it's first go!
Do you have the efficiency king as a daily? I do, I drove a lot of KM's and I got a very good efficiency number, how about you?
Consumption was around 20 kWh/100km. That is not bad, but I expected less. Or was Bjorn driving 130km/h continuously?
Well, looking at the table at 31:07 it's not efficency that made Ioniq win this challenges. i3 and e-Golf are as efficent as the Ioniq and Leaf and e-Up are even more efficent. It's the bigger battery compared with relative fast charging that in the end makes the difference.
@@EinzigfreierName he drove the other cars a lot slower
@@OenkePoenke Really? Isn't the lower average speed of the other cars just because of more and longer charging stops?
„Hammering“ will never be the fastest way to move the classic Ioniq i guess. I never ever experienced overheating in 4 years driving around 110-120 on Autobahn, even on trips with 6 or more charging stops. It always took around >65kW on every stop!
Yeah I’d expect driving 110 km/h would result in overall faster time than driving 120-130 km/h with lots more charging stops required.
Very cool to see the classic ioniq making a comeback. We'll be going on a 1200km trip to Sweden with my 28Khw ioniq this summer, curious to see how it will go but i think we'll do alright, i've done many 'long' trips (400-500km) in this car already. Charges quick (usually a steady 70KW up to 80%) and it doesn't noticably rapidgate. If you want reduced tyrenoise: I've recently put michelin primacy 4 tyres on the ioniq and it does make a huge difference, the car is extremely quiet now. I'm surpised by the consumption though, it's pretty high. Even at 130km/h i still only consume around 17Kwh/100km
Can confirm the comment about the Primacy 4 tires. Also make sure not to inflate them too much or they’ll become noisy. 2,6 bars at 10C ambient is just about perfectly striking the balance between comfort/efficiency. Maybe 2,5 bars is better at higher temperatures (20-30C ambient) as they’ll heat up and pressure increases while driving. All pressures measured when car has been parked for a few hours in the shade of course.
Is there any Hyundai Kona 39kWh in Norway? It would be a good one for 500km challenge 😉
A funnel that moves outside air directly to the battery air cooling inlet can be Pauls next mod ;)
Someone did that already.
Next friday I will be doing my own 500km challenge with my classic Ioniq, I like to share the results with you Bjorn if you are interested. The test will be done in Catalonia, Spain, From Girona to Amposta and back, through the AP7 highway
how did it go?
@@ChrisHaupt I share more info soon!!! Went very well, final time: 6h 18m even with some problems
While Ioniq 6 is quite efficient, I wish they'd make another full-on efficiency focused EV like the classic Ioniq.
Something below 1700 kg.
It would be good to be able to control the fan speed manually. It would require a deeper dive into the wiring diagram.
Classic Ioniq content is the best!
¿How is possible that the Ioniq dont has battery air filter in the intake of rear seats? Will dust and dirt get in?
Heat is blown out over the right wheel well :)
Let's go!!!
I am really that person: Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh I insta click :P
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I did the same "frunk" mod. Got mine from the UK. Probably the same manufacturer. I need to do the other mods this guy has
Does it have a filter in the battery air inlet or is it meant to get the pure air from interior?
Are you going to do the 500km with a Mini Cooper S E? It is basically a front wheel drive i3 but from owners I know with both an i3 and an electric Mini the Mini is more efficient despite being heavier but it has a more aerodynamic shape.
I did a 547km road trip 3 years ago in our 2017 28kWh Ioniq. We managed to do it with 4 stops to charge, but our road speeds are much lower at 100kph max. Over the 547km we did 1hr 10mins of charging abd 6hrs driving.
You can remove the floor in the trunk and then you can remove the following piece. Then you see the air channel outlet to understand where the air goes.
What about testing 38kwh ioniq?
The air flow from the cabin is weird in this car, in mine I took apart the rear to see what the vent in the middle of the trunk does, it is likely the exhaust for all the ioniq variants, but is somewhat useless in the electric version because it’s preferable to exhaust more of the cabin air through the battery to condition it, and there is no short cycling into the cabin via the rear exhaust. I blocked mine and filled it with insulation, now in winter the trunk is no longer frozen solid, and with a thermal camera I noticed air now exits via the seatbelt upper holes in addition to battery, which is preferable for the rear passengers anyway.
Yeah, it was a great car. Still miss it sometimes. 82km/h avg. is pretty much as fast as it gets on long distance, very little potential for optimisation left. Also speed doesn't make a big difference. Anything between 100-130km/h will yield the same 80-83km/h avg.
Great channel! Considering buying a 38KWh classic Ioniq in the UK (3-4 years old, around 30k miles) as I dont want an SUV EV - increasingly difficult to avoid nowadays! Is it still relevant in 2024 or do I hold out until MG4s (for example) become more common on the 2nd hand car market? What a conundrum!
The deal-breaker with the MG4 for me is the lane keeping assist that incorrectly assesses if you are in lane and guides the steering wheel if it thinks you're out. Some reviewers have said this nearly led them to crash and it can't be turned off permanently... because of safety standards 😂
Bolt EV/Opel Ampere-e would be cool to see you test again
keen to know whats the degradation, would be great if you can show the energy.
Heh, how does the 38kWh Ioniq handle the 500km challenge. I guess you'd charge from 10-60% giving you around 6:30?
I dont know Bjørn, i have a Ioniq with 132.000km on the clock but i think this Ioniq consumption is high. Touch the rear Breaks and feel if they are hot. Because mine had defective rear Breaks and similar consumption above 20 Wh/km
You didn't drive that fast and it wasn't that cold.
@@bjornnyland We can Drive 130 on Autobahn in Austria and 12 degrees is not that cold. I say ABC Always be Controlling.
Another great video on the classic Ioniq. As a side topic I whantede to ask a question to Björn and others that watchs the video: does everyone have a knowledge if there's Ioniqs equipped with a dieselheater (gasoline or ethanol would do as well)? With such aquipment a car with this small battery would be more suitable for the hash winters in this part of the word. A 3-4 kW heater would be enough to keep the cabin warm enough to not spend energy from the main battery. Sutch a heater would only consume 0,2-0,3 liters/hour ( read per 100 km), that is ca 1/20 of an dieselcar. Please let me know!
Isn't the speed a bit high for optimal time with that charging power?
General rule of thumb is to hammer it as long as charging speed is higher than discharging speed.
At 220 Wh/km and 125 km/h, average discharge is 27.5 kW only. And charging speed is 55-60 kW.
Moin... Aus Niedersachsen Deutschland.
Wie hoch war der Reifendruck? Ich habe die Erfahrung gemacht, das 2,8 bar optimal zwischen Komfort u effizients ist. Bei drei bar sind die Abrollgeräusche der Reifen schon sehr laut und jede kleinere Unebenheit ist dann zu spüren.
Also bei 2,8 bar habe ich ein Verbrauch um 11 kWh/100 km bei Temperaturen um 20° plus und Tempo 115 kmh GPS
Noch nie hatte ich ein Verbrauch über 18 kWh/100 km. Selbst im Winter bei Minusgraden nicht!
Habe ich das etwa falsch verstanden, mit dem Verbrauch von über 21 kWh/100 km, in dem 500 km Test?
Auch die Ladegeschwindigkeit ist bei meinem ioniq VfL fast immer über 65 kW bis etwa 77%
Dann fällt die Geschwindigkeit sehr langsam auf 50 kW bei etwa 87%
Was ich bestätigen kann, ist die Temperatur des Akkus und die Geschwindigkeit des Lüfters zur Kühlung.
Mein ioniq VfL hat ebenfalls 70.000 km gelaufen.
Does it have 17 rims? It's more efficient with 16 😁 better consumption and less rapid gate
Do you have a link for the “wall e” 3-phase 16A to 1-phase transformer? I like your setup with an adapter from the Type 2 charger to 3-phase 380V plug. Did it come with the “wall e”?
trafomic.fi/?lang=en
I also had special adapter from Metron Institute that converted type 2 to 400 V 16 A red plug.
Which is better the E-Golf 2017-2019 or the Ioniq 2018?
Ioniq for sure
With these "lilli-butt"-battery classics the outside temperature has a huge effect on the consumption. I have to test this challenge with my 24kWh eGolf.
Yeah seems a bit unfair to the other cars as the Ioniq was tested at temperatures +10C higher. Still would have been faster but maybe not by as much.
I like my ioniq but I don't like the reduction gearbox bearing failure 🙁
I know that Is not intresting but you should try this challenge with the 38kWh Ioniq, i Think It Is faster than 28. 500km i Think Is the right range for te 38😉
Wait, Bjørn. How can you charge at V4? I can't charge my Ioniq at V3.
You can! I charged my IONIQs on V2 V3 V4.. on V3 you should make a little bit of adjustments on your charging port. "Dremel time" I would call it.
V4 works for everyone, very easy. For V3 you may need to fiddle with the charging plug so it fits below the LED in the port. It worked for me for my FL fine a couple of times. But not every Ioniq port may be the same
@@wocket42 Was this in the EU? I will try tomorrow at a Tesla V3 destination, just fiddle after you select the charger in the Tesla App, right?
This car seems to rapid gate a lot strangely. My classic hyundai ioniq almost never rapid gate and when it rapid gate, at the next charging stop it already don't rapid gate anymore
As you mentioned.. I would love to see you testing the i3 120Ah. version with the 500 km challenge You never tested it during summer anyway . Could you? Anyway, an amazing result of the ionic!! Do you know what the battery degradation is of this car? It must be very good I assume!
How about the drive unit issue ? Is it still expensive to change the faulty drive unit ?
Bjorn, why you did not go with 22kW charger in the garage? Then you would had 32A (7,4kW) on single phase.
More expensive with thicker wires. And then the fuse needs to be for 22 kW which means I can't have 3x22 kW Easee there. Since I most cars today supports 11 kW, 22 kW is overkill. And only a few older cars support 1-phase. In those cases, 25 A with the transformer is already good enough. That's 78 % of the maximum power.
Can I have a link for the owner's TH-cam videos about the modification?
Video description.
@@bjornnyland I checked that 3times. Can't really sure which one would be the right one. :(
Only some discount links, repair shops, Tesla stuff, app, you're gear, OBD, etc.
my first EV car, the best for me...
I tend to think, they did it on purpose. Though there's a drawback: the motor / gear noise and the fact that the definitive solution is not clear. It affects Kona and Niro too
IONIQ FTW!!! Why do you not fire the airco and freeze the cabine for battery cooling?
No need to. Opening the doors is plenty. AC would also suck more power.
Can someone explain the rapid gate @23 min? Almost same power as when Bjørn left for food. Voltage up, current down but power is the same. P=UxI.
Curren is supposed to be 173 A.
I didnt understand this. I drove a ioniq a view years and wonder why is your consumption so high? I get never over 20 kWh.
Same here, seems odd. My 2019 on stock rims and tires gets about 150Wh/km at 110kmh. Even on 18" Rays CE28 with 235 wide performance tires, highway consumption is still only about 190Wh/km.
You didn't drive at speed limit + VAT?
@@bjornnyland Normally at German Autobahn with 120-130 kmh. I also tested some times full throttle. Then the battery was empty after 100 km and the Gom says around 25-26 kWh. I make also holiday drives across Europe and then the consumption was so 15-16 kWh. But I never see in normally life over 20 kWh.
@@martink.9442 same here.
The 38kWh ioniq with Nice température can challenge the 28kWh ioniq on 500kms.😊
Way slower charging.
You could go a bit further before having to stop, but you would still need to charge twice in 500km and I think you would be plugged in for close to 90 minutes. Bjorn only has to stop 3 times for a total of around 60 minutes with the 28.
@@bjornnyland i know but 10kWh extend battery capacity, with a departure at 100%, on 500kms, i think the final time will close between 28 vs 38.
@@FFVoyager at 215Wh/km (which I think is high) you need 108 kWh. That's not economic with 2 charges on the 38kWh as charging to 100% takes many hours. You need three at 33 or more minutes each (charging up from 5 to 55-60%).
Hm, something doesn't add up if he only charged 28+2x22,5= 95 kWh in total. What do I miss?
Oh😮😮 i have never seen a broken cabel at the SuC.
Please make a 75D Test
There is nothing to fix. If you drive this car @110km/h, no rapid gate, no crazy consumption. Yes, you lose a few minutes on a 500km trip, but it costs way less and the car is not being stressed so hard. I don't get the point of consuming 200Wh/km on an Ioniq and charge every 100km. This is no real usecase.
Incorrect. You lose a lot of time if you drive that slow.
@@bjornnyland If I calculate a trip in a better route planner from Frankfurt to Hamburg, which has a length of nearly 500km, I get the following results with the Ioniq28:
Travel time @ max. 150km/h: 5h 26m with 4 charging stops and 190Wh/km (95,8kWh spend in 503km). With 110km/h I get 5h 49m with 3 charging stops and 141Wh/km (70,7kwh spend in 502km). 25kWh less equals to roughly 15,5€ on long trips in Germany, as an exchange for 23 minutes. This equals to a salary of net 40€ per hour. Most people do not earn 40€/h net in Germany. 23 Minutes....thats 6,6% of total trip duration. So, I would rather prefer to travel with 110km/h on long trips with the Ioniq and get for my both children a big icecream for the saved energy cost.
@@bjornnyland Oh, thats weird, I just wrote you a non offensive answer in order to explain, that for a real trip from Frankfurt to Hamburg you only save 23 minutes by driving max. 150km/h instead 110km/h as an exchange for 15,5€ of energy cost difference. All calculated with abetterroutplanner with details. But somehow my response is gone...or 'g..o..n'.
I hope, that I'm only blind and not able to find it anymore.
The ioniq bms was probably optimised for 50kw fast chargers
Maybe
Your big mistake is speed, at 120 km/h you are seriously draining the battery, once you pass 100 km/h the battery usage ramps up drastically, you will basically increase usage by about 30% to gain the extra 20 km/h and over a 500 km drive that extra 20 km will save you 50 minutes driving time but cost you more than that in extra charging time not to mention the extra energy costs.
Nope
Put an open freezer near the air intake :D
Do the 38kwh version also...pretty please
He has done 1000 km challenge with 38 kWh. It took several hours longer than the 28 kWh
@@larsenpetter He had done the test with the 38kwh whitout the BMS update I think. I own a 2022 38kwh Ioniq and it has a much better charging speed that the one in his video...
@@ConstantinBanciu what charging speed do you get? EVdatabase says 44kw max with a 36kw average
Last time I got 49kwh for around 10 minutes.
Still pales in comparison to the 28kWh Ioniq which averages 65kW between 10-80%
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Hyundai is great.
Always bring yor Salad 😂
Hopefully you can still check out Cybertruck for interior review soon
I really hope to see the 36KW UP in this challenge
I would like to see Zoe and one of the triplets ;)
I will make soon the same challenge with my classic Ioniq from 2017 and 163.000km!!! I will make a video for my channel
It doesn't charge fast enough. My ioniq charges much faster than this. On a Tesla charger, it charges 69 kW between 65-78%. Most likely, there is newer software on it. No car charges as fast as my ioniq. It's weird because mine doesn't even heat up that much.
Env200 40kWh for the win 😂
Mines says 251km at 100%
U need to drive your Ioniq above 45km/h :D
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When you compare older EVs you should compare same generations/year therefore its more fair to compare the Ionic to a 2017 I3 or golf. Keep up testing older evs.
As already mentioned in the video, they still can't beat Ioniq.
i think they are better in some areas even if the Ionic beat them on range/time, but it will be a more fair comparison@@bjornnyland
@@andders2477 in what way do you think they are better?
Hyundai was plain stupid for killing the Ioniq off too early
No, it was logical. Nobody bought it by the time it was discontinued.
@@adrianguggisberg3656Good car but battery prices where too high at the time. Way to glaze over that fact though
@@samusaran7317 It was a brilliant car in its day. I bought one in 2017 and kept it 5 years, and I still miss it sometimes. Range aside, it still beats most current EVs overall. And it's extremely well made, durable and reliable. Mine didn't need a single repair or spare part outside of wiper blades, cabin air filters and tires in 5 years and 250'000km.
Copper cables are now being stolen from public EV chargers in the UK…….😫😫😫
One or two have been - I don't think it's a crime wave. Yet.
Ioniq was faster than the others because your average speed was a lot higher and the temperature was warmer
Average speed is including charging stops. Driving speed was the same as i3. e-Golf had to drive slower due to rapidgate.
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Onlyfans would likely be way more energy efficient compared to opening the window.
I didn't keep the window open.
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