The Classic and Vintage Commercial Show at Gaydon | Classic trucks & vans
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- My last visit to the Classic and Vintage Commercial Show held at the British Motor Museum at Gaydon was wayyyy back in 2009, so it was high time for a return trip down to J12 on the M40 to see what classic lorries and vans might be in attendance in 2023.
This is a two-day event, held in the area around the Gaydon museum building. Despite only being able to attend on the Saturday, which seems to be more of an unofficial arrivals and setup day, with the main show taking place on day two, there were still many interesting classic lorries and vans to take a close look at - not forgetting an extremely rare pre-war rear-engined Mercedes car that I was able to park alongside in the public car park!! A group of interesting Volvo road cars also make it into this upload, so fans of classic cars are will find something of interest in this video too, hopefully...
Highlights include a number of the two-stroke supercharged Commer TS3 lorries, various Dodge Kews, an immaculate Austin A40 van, a Ford Model BB truck, a Ford E88W panel van, many Bedfords, and a Vulcan lorry to name just a few. ... plus two fly-bys of a twin-tailed Beech Expeditor from 1952.
A walkaround of the main British Motor Museum will follow in a separate future video.
If you've ever driven any of the classic lorries featured in this video, please drop a note in the comments and tell us more. There are quite a few videos here on the Old Classic Car channel that feature classic trucks in them, if you've not yet seen them maybe look out for the Llandudno Transport Festival upload, and others for Astle Park, Smallwood, and the Malpas vintage rally.
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Hell Drivers is one of those classic British films that deserves to be rewatched.
The film's combination of action, drama, and strong performances continues to make it a notable entry in British cinema.
Agreed, and also memorable for a few very sped up road scenes!!! Thanks for watching
Hell Drivers is a brilliant movie! An old boy I know in his late eighties used to drive for a contractor that hauled out of one of the local quarries in the east Mendips, he told me " Y'know that film Hell Drivers, well, that's just what 'twere like!" I read somewhere that the Dodge tippers used in the film were hired from a London company, W.W.Drinkwater, whose livery was dark green, one stipulation was that the Dodges were given a quick blow over in dark red so that Drinkwaters would not be associated with the driving standards and business practices depicted in the film. The 'Parrot Nose' Dodge, Leyland Comet 90 and the Thames ET6 all used the same main cab pressings supplied by Briggs Motor Bodies.
I first saw the movie 57 years ago at an out door screening at a Beach in far North New Zealand . I never realised that the parrot nose body work were used by the three different companies,So for the last 6 decades I thought they were Thames . ha ha. I have seen however an Australian version in the outback, badged as a Desoto with very attractive stainless trim on the body.
Great . Many thanks.
What a collection of commercials. Some very interesting vehicles.
Indeed Hell Drivers is a great old black and white 1957 movie with great driving and a great cast too.
A joy to watch. Our good fortune to have collectors who keep these vehicles so pristine.
Very enjoyable thank you 10/10
Thanks Ken!
Agreed. That little rear engine MB. WOW. How rare is that! Some beautiful vans and lorries there. So many cracking bobby dazzlers. 🤣The sign writing is magnificent too. No way would you see a display like that in Australia.
Great video as always
Enjoyed watching thank you😮😮😮😮
Thanks 👍
In commemoration to Hell Drivers, I watched this video suitably speeded up. 😋👍
Those Lorry's reminds me of my old Dinky Toys.
Love most old vans, lorries, trucks of all types. Great ones here, thanks.
another lovely vid thankyou. took me back to my time as a telecoms apprentice 1970's . marina vans, morris minor vans by the score.
Looks like a dragline dredger bucket in the back of the RMS small truck
So many car shows, but very few feature commercial vehicles like this show. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
Thanks, yes it's neat to see all the lorries and vans in one place together
With regard to the old wooden frame lorry cabs, Atkinson had cabs built of fibre glass with a wooden frame right up to 1974. When Atkinson merged with Seddon around that time that was the end of the fibre glass cabs. Im not sure if any other manufacturers carried on with these cabs any later than that. Only cabs of that type that I drove were a Guy Warrior and also a few Atkinson 's. The heat and noise on the inside was very bad especially when they were working hard. Constantly overloaded in Ireland at the time. Good old days, not much money but great craic.
Great vid OCC ....back in the early 80's, due to lack of time and an immediate need for a van, I had to ''walk away'' from a deal for a Volvo Duett van -something I've always regretted.
FWIW that van was fitted with an overdrive and limited slip differential.
Many thanks for your time and effort.
Thanks, I've seen one of those Volvo vans up for sale on ebay recently, it's been on there for a while (an orangery/red I think it is)
@@oldclassiccarUK Thanks for that, FYI there were some RHD Duett ''cars'' in the UK, but the vans were only ever made in LHD.
Thank you for a Great Father’s Day afternoon video , raining outside our Autistic son home for the weekend, and he doesn’t sit still for long with the exception of your video’s , we took him to Gaydon a few years back, 👍🏼
Great to hear that you're finding these uploads of benefit 👍
Not only I'm a car enthusiast,,but also medium,,,heavy. Duty trucks,vans,step vans,panel and tow trucks,,thank you Old Classic
Great start. I knew the model of the Mercedes only because I have the book on Mercedes otherwise not. That is such a rare car and in beautiful condition as well. It looks very fresh and if I owned it I would not have had the bravery to put it in a car park!
I was very surprised to spot it there so it had to be included :-) Thanks for watching as always
Less than a couple of minutes in, and you've already given us a Bobby Dazzler. Brilliant.
I know I used it very early in this one, but I think it was an acceptable choice :-) thanks for watching
As far as so many of the Ford Transit's on display being 4X4's makes me do a double take. Growing up in the US seeing a 4X4 van was very unusual and really have only run across two besides the odd photos in car magazines back in the day. New subscriber here and I'm learn a lot from your videos on makes and models of classic British and European autos. For some reason I have always held a respect for British Buses and Lorries as well as the Rail System from their conception up until the early 80's. Thank you for your time in shooting, editing and uploading these videos.
Glad it was of interest, thanks for subbing
Another great video as usual. My pick of the week would have been the A40 Devon van but it was beaten quite handsomely by the Morris Commercial camper. The best part of the conversion was that the materials and fittings used were in keeping with the age of the vehicle. Superb!!
Yes the interior of that Morris was spectacular for the reasons you give
@@oldclassiccarUK That Mercedes 130-H from 1934 is also seen in the movie "Conspiracy" (2001) Adolf Eichmann's car at the end of the movie.
Thank you for bringing us along. What a treat. You certainly are a fountain of information. I really enjoyed the entire video.
Thanks Paul
What a cracking video, vans and trucks are favourites of mine. Thank you.👍
Glad you enjoyed it, it was nice to get back to this one again after a lengthy break
Great movie
Thanks!!
The A40 van is 11 years older than me but I'd love to have one, if only for a few days.
Excellent video, one of the best yet 👍👍👍 The red Karrier had a dragline bucket on the back. One that worked around water judging by the way it was perforated...
Salty water perhaps! Thanks for watching
I'd give my right arm for that little Mercedes, but then l would have difficulty driving it! 😢
Now I feel suitably old, I have driven a good many of the models from the late sixty's up to the 2000s. The twin steers were usually known as Chinese six's
Love this channel brings back so many memories of my childhood watching the trucks up and down the "D" road M500 S.O.T
I learned to drive (on private land) in a Morris Minor pickup.
I must admit I'd like one of those now.
Being a yank & all, I simply love y'all's lorries. I will say this though. Aerodynamics was really a major non-thought back in the day. That Albion looked like a shed on a frame with a radiator sticking out the front. Pretty much just as bad as our cab overs here in the US. Especially like the GMC Cracker Box, the Bull Nose KW, & the Ford 2 Story. Plus so many more to name. The way cab overs look now. Especially the ones made by American companies down unda. I wish they would bring them back home. Like me, there are a good bit of other drivers that would be more than happy to buy them. Freightliner did 1 a while back that was so awesome. Open the driver's door and steps swing out of the side of the cab. Not to mention all now have flat floors. No more climbing over the dog house to get into the sleeper, or laying down to put your pants on. Yeah, those were the days, huh?
Great to see the old lorries, another enjoyable from OCC!👍😃🚗
Your camera angles are excellent. Peter Lindop.
Glad it was of interest! Thanks
Just started watching this video, and I find the little 1934 Mercedes fascinating. It's the history of a vehicle which is interesting, how have they survived etc.
I wonder where the 1934 Merc hung out during WW11?
Agreed it must have quite a back story
Actually,they keep turning up in Europe as old farmers and so on pass away and farms ,buildings and other places are opened for the first time in Years to reveal some vehicle great grandfather liberated from retreating Nazis. There is actually a pretty good vid featuring a lot of these discoveries on Dr Mark Feltons channel about WW2 history. At the end of the war,Mercedes was chosen by the US etc to be the one to recieve money to rebuild and the first cars they built were in fact prewar 170V mercedes that they rebuilt as utility cars for police,post office and other government agencies. So by the 1950's when they were producing the 170S it tended to look a bit prewar .
Great video especially as my late father used to drive a Bedford J type tipper truck my brother and I did many happy miles in it in the school holidays.
Bedford KM the gearbox was like stirring porridge and in the middle of the Bedfords was a Seddon nice lorry to drive
Wonderful ' value ' video as always, the M-B 130H is beautiful and in such appropriate ' continental ' period colours .The Morris FG at 1-10-16 takes me back to being an apprentice with the Post Office, later BT as these were so extensively used as gang & cable jointers wagons.I was always fascinated by the curved front windows and the struggle the gang leader used to have getting into the cab with the narrow angled doors - can see him now !.
Thanks, glad the FGs in particular were of interest, such distinctive small lorries
Allways loved Bedford's of any weight and indeed vintage!
British Trucking enthusiasts enjoy these historical lorries! Great video tour and narration. Thanks! From a Texas truck yard.
Glad you enjoyed it
The "scoop" on the Karrier is a dragline bucket.
Amazing display of all the old favorites. I'm from New Zealand and started driving in 1973. First truck I drove was a 1958 Morris 5 litre diesel tipper. I drove most of BMC 5 tonne range and Bedford TK's and KM's and D series Fords - up to the D1000 V8 cumins and Commers. International Harvester out of the US marketed Australian built Internationals, the most common the S Line and T Line models. These were a huge jump in horsepower, alo g with ERF, Foden and Atkinson (which eventually became International) Leylands were a very prominent truck in the day. Around the mid to late 70's the Japanese. manufacturers Nissan, Mitsubishi Fuso and Hino became common place. Big on reliability but no big on power. Scania, Mercedes and Volvo were very popular and still. American Mack and Kenworth were very popular in heavy haul harsh conditions. One of my favourite trucks was a 1988 F12 Volvo 6x4 with the wrap around dash with all the whistles and bells. 50 years on I have a 2004 Freightliner C120 with a C15 Cat 480 hp and RR18 speed auto. I bought this when I retired as a hobby which I use with a semi tanker for water delivery.
Loved this video. Thanks
Pleased that you liked this one!!
Yeah, I liked the Albion, the quality of the restoration on some of these trucks is truly magnificent.
My pick, well it was easy the blue Commer with the TS3, with the two mufflers out the front, doesn't make any difference how many mufflers you put on, you will not shut it up. Thank goodness for that, for me its all about the sound they make! Sounds better with no muffler. Thanks for showing this, really enjoyed watching.
Great to see two examples of TK and FG in the same video! Very thin on the ground these days
hi there, great video, lots of great lorries,but as i used to work at AEC in the 70s these are the ones i favour, Tony Mcgovern has a good collection of old trucks,the Austin 1 ton wireles truck of the late 50s were good, i remember them when i was in germany with BOAR in 69, as usual duble-de-clutching was the order of the day, you forgot that yellow S type Bedford which looks FAB, have the DVD of hells drivers, just great,the lovely Peggy Cummings is in it as well driving a willys jeep
I must watch it again sometime myself, it's been a while
nice video, thankks, fyi. commer hearse: hearses had handles and foot pegs for pall bearers, flat head screws are aligned verticaly not just for aesthetics, when they inevitably get painted over, it allows the paint to run through the groove and not clog it up, making it easier to unscrew., thats a dragline excavator bucket in the karrier,
Thanks for watching and the info!
Dragline Bucket on the back for ballast.
Love the Morris vans.
Proper "Pin Stripping".
The Bartlett truck is fior cattle, it says it on it ! 😂
@45:08 these are pressed plates but that is the post-2001 font with 50mm wide characters which is inaccurate for most classic vehicles, which should use one of many fonts with 57mm wide characters. Serck were one such manufacturer with their own unusual font which most noticeably featured a 4 with no diagonal lines (a bit like a calculator)
1:27:22 The red ERF with a Gardner 240 Straight Eight engine. These are rare because they're so long they won't fit under a standard cab, only an extended sleeper cab. This was Gardner's most powerful engine before they reluctantly turned to turbo charging, but it was too late in the end.
The step and handle on the Commer hearse would have been for the flower rack on the roof. Great video.
1:20:23 ,the Vulcan truck company had a long and fascinating history ,even making pretty good cars prior to WW1. A few years back I was employed restoring a 1913 Vulcan,one of two bought to Brisbane Qld in 1914 .A one family owner car from new although it took a lot of time and money to restore.
Vulcan trucks were taken over by Tillings Stephens , they of the TS3 Diesel engine fame.
Very informative and well filmed. I liked them all but since I'm a '53 vintage I lean towards the '53 tow truck. Always wondered what the Hell Drivers were running, film must have been twice speed or they would have driven the wheels off those trucks😂. Not that they would go that fast. Loved trucks all my life and these were beauties. Great narrative, thanks a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it
The thing in the back of that comer Karrier is a bucket of an old drag line normally attached to a Royston Bucks crawler crane…I’m sure there are many that could give you more detail I was a lorry driver who often got loaded by these things and most of the operators were just superb
Yes drag line bucket is what I was trying to remember, I knew that I'd seen them in various lorry magazines over the years but the name escaped me!! Thanks for watching.
My father served in the Royal Engineers in India and often talked about the difficulty in driving a drag line. I have driven most things but I would love to have a go at one. Next level I think.
I remember being told by someone at a Perkins dealership that the Perkins badge withe the 4 circles and square stood for “square deal all round” thought that was interesting
Apropos of nothing Ron (which are sometimes the best sort of comment I feel) do you have access to The Forester? (for the benefit of non locals this is the local rag). If not you may be interested to see that this week there are not one but two items relevant to PW. There has been a charity concert which raised over £800 for the fund for the re-opening of the Mireystock tunnel. Topically, there has been a celebration to mark the re-opening of the Tidenham Tunnel Local MP and Secretary of State for Transport Mark Harper unveiled a commemorative plaque. It is worth a read . Back to the film: I have travelled the SVR many times but I realise that I have never visited the museum. The next time, I must. Thanks for another interesting instalment Ron.
Another great video. It's a pity that you didn't have Big Dodge there. I was hoping that there might have been some Scammell Scarabs there.
Thanks, occasionally I see a Scarab or two at a show, I'll look out for them in future!
@@oldclassiccarUK Thanks. We never got them in Australia.
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That snorkel fire engine is ex Merthyr Tydfil south wales
A Chinese six is a twin steer with a single rear axle. The load in Karrier is a bucket for a dragline excavator.
Thanks I'll try and remember that :)
Great event and video, wish i had attended in my 1957 mk1 commer cob the ford E88W was lovely seen it some yrs back been restored since then by the look of it, i also own cox's of rugbys old commer van, keep up the good work my good man.
It's a dragline bucket.
Have you ever come across a Jensen Commercial , built by the Jensen Brothers of West Bromwich, i have only ever seen photos .
Yes I've seen a couple over the years, with "JNSN" set into their front panel and bodied, I think, in aluminium
Interesting the small Mercedes. I thought it was an old Morris as you were approaching it. I always think of Mercedes Benz as large cars.
I was very surprised to stumble across it there
@@oldclassiccarUK I have never seen one like it before. Not even in a car book. It would be very valuable because of its rarity. I gave watched some of your son Harleys videos. He reminds me of myself when i was his age. I was car mad when I was young. He's a very well spoken lad.
At about 14:14, you can;t OVERESTIMATE, not UNDERESTIMATE!
I haven't bothered checking but I'm sure you knew what I must have been getting at
It's a dragline bucket in the back of the Karrier
That beautifully restored Commer ts3 in the Tate and Lyle livery is sadly so wrong!!!!! T & L did not run artics when that was a working truck!!
what a video love it this channel just gets better and better well done also would love to see one on rolls royce and bentley cars there so special thanks lads
They are no more "special" than anything else............
Volvo Duett 65'
Volvo 140 series
2 door 142
4 door 144
5 door 145 estate
Yep, we've had examples of 144 and 145 in the past (I don't think the 142 was sold here)
Interesting video, 😊but I you and your camera person kept to the same script, at one time you were talking of Datsun 120y
I was there on my own, so it was just me talking and doing the camera. Thanks for watching.
Didn't those Albion trucks have worm drive differential? Not many like that.
I'm not sure but sounds very likely for the early examples
Is that first green vehicle an Austin? Looks like the early 1950s Austin sedan cars.
This is a great video, thank you. Is there decent interest in foreign commercial vehicles or do the uk models have more of a following. Asking as I am considering a purchase. Thanks. .Phil.
There is I think yes, there are loads of 1970s-1990s Volvos and Scanias at the truck events we go to, although I focus on the older vehicles in the main - which yes are usually British - as they are where my interests are
Thanks for reply. The lorry I have in my sights is a 1931 Rochet Schneider. Quite a rare beast which is partly why I am a bit scared of it!
Hi,great video as usual. I think I read somewhere that Karrier was the brand used for sales to local authorities etc and Commer for commercial sales. Most of the vehicles bearing the Karrier brand name would have originally been used by local councils and sold off at some point.The original Karrier company was based in Huddersfield and made municipal appliances,light commercials and were bought out by the Rootes Group in 1943.Keep up the good work.
Ah right that might explain things nicely, thanks for watching
It was sold to Commer, (Rootes Group) in 1934.....................
Thanks for spotting the Volvos. A friend of mine (now retired) was a restorer of Amazons. However he also had a cream coloured Duet. It was a beaut. Additionally, in the late 80s early 90s, I was the proud owner of a bronze coloured N Reg 145 - the estate version of the 144, with a brown vinyl roof. I loved it but, once it was down to measurable compression in only 2 cylinders, I had to let it go. Unfortunately it went for scrap.
1:47:29 This is a Chinese 6.
Hello Richard . I don't do commmercial's but l love the passion these enthusiasts pour into these vehicals . Interestingly that aircraft was a Lockheed Electra and that type has an absorbing history .. Sidney Cotton , the father of Photo Reconnaissance was gifted one from MI6 to take photos of important German areas only weeks before the outbreak of war and a German VIP (Kesselring ) was given a trip whilst Cotton calmly took photos of German landmarks ! Amelia Earhart lost her life whilst trying to orbit the world and on a brighter note it was used in the Bond Movie " Moon raker "
Hi John, I remember watching a programme where an Electra was restored (I think the example you refer to), I looked up the registration of the aircraft I saw (G-BKGM) and it comes up as the Beech Expeditor. Thanks for watching.
Hey OCC fella, If it were practical for you, I'd love to see snippets of the restoration of any of these beautiful lorries added to these great videos you shoot. Maybe a video of the effort and artistry that goes into the lettering, too?
It may be possible, I did a quick video compiled from photos of my old truck, from pre-restoration to completion(ish) a while ago, see th-cam.com/video/YC8rSKSJNvE/w-d-xo.html thanks
As I remember the Bedford Midi was based on Isuzu,I converted a mini bus in to a camper back in the 80s I would love to have now!
hay what are doing about keeping warm in the cold climate
Pretty warm here at the mo!
@@oldclassiccarUK no shit
Good Show, I would love to know more about that old Mercedes, it looks highly unusual. I am very curious about the headlight type shapes on the boot and trying o work out what they could possibly be.
It was a real surprise just seeing it there in the car park, and with space to park alongside it too
i think the Dodge cab was the same as the ford Thames and as you say the layland , indeed hell drivers was a great 1950`s film , sid james was allso in it
The Dodge cab was used on the Leyland Comet but never by Ford. The Thames Trader cab looked similar from the front but was actually very different.
That was a dragline bucket on the back of the red Carrier. Hard to tell what capacity but I'd hazard a guess and say 1 1/2 cubic yard.
Ahh dragline bucket, I knew I'd seen mention of them in lorry magazines before now but couldn't for the life of me remember what they were called!
I would have walked past the foreign trucks and just concentrated on the British lorries :) I think the Leyland Octopus is part of the same collection that includes the Hingley's AEC. i have seen both parked in front of the same house quite close to where I live.
Richard great to see stuff we didn't get much of in NZ. Back in the day it was mostly "Bedsteads" and Fords and some Commer, Leyland and IH. That Mercedes is a "bobby dazzler", a real rare one and it probably stole your show before you got to the trucks. Weather does look great. My daughter has just moved to London (second stint) and says you are having an early heatwave ( while we settle into winter down here). That Bedford van would be based on an Isuzu van as Isuzu had a tie up with GM ..Fargo?
I like the early P1800 , good event. Cheers Bob
Same here, the detailing on the earlier car in particular is very neat
Lovely truck - VJ and FO are old Hereford plates, i believe Gammonds Transport Ltd is still trading in Hereford today.
That early Volvo estate looks like a very useful vehicle. I have never understood why Sweden used left hand drive cars when they also drove on the left.
BEDFORD WENT BUST approx 1985/ 1988 . DAVID BROWN / TRACTORS BOUGHT OUT BEDFORD TK/ TL RANGE REBADGE THEM AWD BUT only lasted few years AWD stoped production early 1990s. j/ k plate
Ah thanks I hadn't realised that
@@oldclassiccarUK YEP 1990s LOT ENGLISH truck companys bought out . ERF 2000 bought buy german MAN foden went to paccar , FORD merged , fiat IVECO . LEYLAND trucks bought out by DAF seddon atkingson dissapeared. SPECHAILIST builder dennis still going .
Was going to say the same. I was working for Vauxhall/Bedford when it happened. Bedford were going to buy the ailing Leyland commercial vehicle company, but would only do so if they could buy Land Rover as part of the deal. All very sad, because dear old Maggie, after selling off most of British industry to the highest bidder, suddenly came over all patriotic and decided that Land Rover couldn't possibly be sold to Bedford because they were US owned. So GM pulled out and the rest is history. Bedford are no more, Land Rover is owned by an Indian multinational and Leyland were sold to DAF. And just to rub it in, Vauxhall are now using their Britishness in their advertising.
Just a footnote to my previous post. Bedford didn't actually go bust, they just pulled out of the commercial vehicle market for the reason I've stated. In fact their light commercial vehicles (car based and panel vans) continued to be badged as Bedfords for quite a long time after.
Whatever happened to English lorry manufacturers after the 1980's? They seemed to be keeping ahead of their rivals in terms of technology but they all disappeared...
Various mergers and increasing competition from foreign manufacturers that really got a foothold in the UK market during the 1970s/80s did for them I think.
@@oldclassiccarUK Yes, I guess so. The British motorcycle industry went the same way...
The bike industry is having a second shot at suicide by not making small bikes for beginners
Impossible to watch full of adverts
Fordson was the male…Thames was the model, or part of the model name….
That makes sense in this case, in the 1950s the E83Ws were only badged as Fordson initially, then they switched to Thames, so in that instance it was one or the other, not both. Thanks for watching.
At what point does a lorry become a truck, is it a capacity ? thing or a weight thing?.
I'm not really sure tbh, I tend to refer to more recent vehicles, and those from the US, as trucks, while older vehicles built in Britain I tend to refer to as lorries, but I also use both to help with the search rankings.
i would disagree with youre opinion of the first merc shown personally i find it ugly n the color leaves a lot to be desired but love youre vids
Hi, it wouldn't be my first choice of colour scheme but perhaps it's the original combination, I love the rarity and the fact that it was out and about, and just parked up in the regular public parking area. Thanks for watching!
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sorry but a vid thats 1.50 mins long is way to long it needs cutting into 2 or even 3
Just watch it in 3 goes, that's what I think a lot of people do anyway, thanks for checking it out
@@a1c3c3u no limited time