The metal (and bearing material, etc) that you show at the end is not the whole story. The "iridescent" appearance of the oil when you were first draining it and sloshing it around is caused by superfine metallics. The heavier particles (from the end of the video) will settle out, for the most part. The fines stay in suspension, getting pumped around and around. That's actually the stuff you really want to get rid of. I changed mine the first time at 5 hours and it looked like this. My 25 hour (really 30) still had some iridescence, but nothing like my first one. No harm in what you did though. It's out now.
It's a big hassle to use the existing oil drain plug as it is not directly in front of the access door. Save the greef and install a HON1010 "drainzit" extension hose. Just lift it out and remove the cap; bend down the hose into your collection container OUTSIDE the generator. No spills or drips and no skinned knuckles using a wrench. No accidental electrical shorts.
Great idea! So hard to get to this one, and the whole thing came out first go. I guess I should have done the second wrench thing, but I could barely get one wrench in.
Yes that oil has lots of metal in it. The color is a dead giveaway. But it is normal for first breakin oil change. Synthetic is great choice and I will use Mobile 1 full synth on mine like all my motors after breakin.
Thank you for your very helpful video. However a word to the wise. As it say remove the spark plug wire. I didn't and I got a huge shock - not fun. I think you could also undo one of the battery terminals.
I purchase this generator and we had a three day power failure tree on the power line.. I ran it three days turned it off just to change The propane tank. I previous had gas powered Generac that had ton of problems.. I,purchase this duel fuel….I will never run gasoline in it. The 20 lb bottle of propane lasted. 13 hours till ititthe low mark on the tank guard.. Changing the oil was a pain in the butt and messy…I just ordered that hose extensions That generator was outstanding…ran a window ac and refrig😊
When checking the oil level you are not supposed to screw the dipstick back in. Only seat it into the fill hole then pull it out and check. SEE PAGE #16 in the manual for details. To check oil level: ---Slowly unscrew and remove the oil dipstick. ---Clean the dipstick and reseat it inside the oil fill hole. Do not thread the dipstick. ---Remove the dipstick and verify that the oil level is within safe operating range. ---If the oil level is low, add recommended engine oil incrementally and recheck until the level is within the safe operating range. ---Replace the oil dipstick and hand-tighten.
Not sure what manual you are looking at, my manual for the 4500 in page 20 says, "5. Screw the dipstick fully into the filler neck. Remove the dipstick and verify that the oil level is within safe operating range."
@@braddowns9655 Agree. Page 22 of my manual, under step 5. says "Screw the dipstick fully into the filler neck. Remove the dipstick and verify that the oil level is within safe operating range."
Instead fo the royal purple, you might consider using a heavy duty diesel engine oil in your small engines, like Mobil Delvac 1300 super (15W-40) or Shell Rotell T-6 5W-40. Diesel engine oils have a much higher zinc content which is beneficial to these small engines, especially since there is no oil filtration.
I was told by the Honda mechanic to ignore the xxxxx's on the dipstick and fill the oil to the edge of the lower lip just before it spills out on a totally level service, also seen the exact same subject on "Steve's Small Engine Saloon" TH-cam channel and he claims the same info and went on to say that those X's are dead wrong and doesn't even represent a safe operating range. I'm no mechanic but it makes sense to me considering how little oil there is in one of these small engines.
Quick question for you. So the manual calls For .6qts (19 ounces). Looks like you have about 14 ounces that you put in. I changed the oil on my Westinghouse i4500 as well, and put in .6 quarts and it was WAY over full. So I ended up putting in about as much as you did. My question is wth is that in their manual for lol. Second, have you ever had any issues with that amount of oil? Thanks again man.
Just remembered that this is a floating ground generator like most inverter generators. They sell plugs you stick into the 110 outlet to let you use your surge protector. Otherwise you will likely get a ground fault when you plug in your surge protector and it won't work.
My man… you see how that oil looks like marble?! That is all metal shavings… if you put a flashlight on it or put it in the sun it’s gonna look like glitter!
Which is normal for first drain like he said. I usually drain it after 30-45 or idle or low output usage But yea your always gonna see metal shavings on these One day we’ll look back at these machines and laugh😂😂
I realize that… I was commenting on how he was saying how clean the oil and metal free it was… when it clearly wasn’t free of metal… but yes it’s completely normal especially since there is no oil filter
Pull your dipstick when draining and it’ll go a lot quicker. Hold a magnet on the bottom of your pan and then swirl the pan around to catch all the metal.
I had a similar size red color Honda generator but the engine block cracked when I ran it around the clock while stuck in a blizzard camping in Sierra Nevada mountains a couple years ago . Now I ordered the blue Westinghouse generator like in your video for much less than a new Honda cost. Plus I got an Open Box discount from Westinghouse. The design appears to be quite similar in both brands . The Honda does have the engine cracking oil leak issue- mine is not the first to have that fault but I did use it pretty hard too. Any tips for pampering for longevity of these portable generators? You did mention that they are kind of delicate. I do run my machines a bit hard. Would like to see you do a video on Do’s and Don’t s.
You really should read your owner's manual. I don't believe you're supposed to screw it in when you check the oil level and the oil level should be halfway up the threads of what you're screwing the dipstick into.it's also supposed to be hot when you change it
One comment about quality vs price. These Chinese units are much cheaper than a quality unit like a Honda or Yamaha. One thing that makes these cheaper is that they won't generally last nearly as long as Honda or Yamaha. There are Honda units out there with at least 6,000 hrs on them. Some of the Honda eu6500is & newer eu7000is are used for businesses with 10k -15,000 hrs on them. These work for ocassisional use but that's why they cost so much less.
If you look at the drain plug nut you removed you’ll notice some flats on either side of the shaft. That flat is made to accept a second wrench. If you use that second wrench to hold the flats still while you unscrew the hex head bolt on the end, your oil will instead drain a bit further out away from the engine base. Hard to explain but hopefully you get my point. 👍🏼
When plugging back the battery connector that was in the way, what was the correct order to put back on, unfortunately I did not check before I dissembled
I just bought the Cummins Onans P4500i, that’s the same as your generator except the Cummins has a better inverter. I bought to replace my current Honda EU 3000is, since I needed a little bit more power in my RV because of my 1500 btu AC, and running the AC, microwave and refrigerator was sometimes making the Honda trip the circuit unless, I removed the eco mode. The difference between Cummins/Westinghouse 4500 is pretty big difference. The Honda is so much more quiet and the oil change in the Honda is so easy and no mess, no spilling oil. I wish they had a Honda with a little more power but not bigger in size of the Westinghouse or Cummins. I get 48DB with my Honda at 10 feet away and 62DB at 10 feet away. If you don’t need the extra power, spend the extra money and gat the Honda. Also, I changed my oil on the Cummins/Westinghouse one hour after the 1st startup with no load, and now changing oil again at the 24hr break in with 25% break in .
Hi have the new Igen4000dfc and noticed that the wheels in the back have alot of play and as a result they rattle. I know you have the 4500 which has the same wheels, I believe, do they rattle? I'm wondering if there is alot of play between the wheel and the washer. Thanks !!!
Nice video. I’d love to have an inverter generator that size. Mine weighs something like 280 pounds or 260 or something and it is an absolute hoss cat for me to get in and out of my truck for the races. I have to use four wheeler ramps and pull it up in my bed lol. That one would be easy peasy compared to mine. It looks small enough actually to just set inside the car trailer.
@@altarwork I got a Predator (Harbor Freight brand) super quiet 3500 watt inverter generator in November of last year that weighs 100 pounds and is much much easier to fool with. And it is exceptionally quiet.
@@matthewanderson9912 that’s what I wanted to get but when I ran across one of these Westinghouse 4500 watt ones without the co2 protection crap and remote start for $899 I had to abandon the predator idea.
@@altarwork nice. Sounds like you got a deal. I have after tax and in store replacement 2 year warranty just over $1,000 for mine. It was during Black Friday last year and the sale price was $799 I think. I’m happy with it so far. It’s shockingly quiet. Like almost unbelievable quiet.
Purple might not be the best for sm engines i heard that the die in it will coat parts and over time will stop up passeges. I know i dont want in my generater or anything really. Got a 750 hp 351 clev. Gave to son people said not to use it. From what ive hesrd about it i wount use it in anything.
Here you go: Can A 4500 Watt Inverter Generator Run 2 Fifth Wheel AC Units? Find Out! th-cam.com/video/H3Dp9leS43Q/w-d-xo.html I have another video I will do to follow up on this 👍🏾
I use it in arizona on my 20-foot travel trailer, one ac unit, and it increases rpms. But it does nicely. I turn ac off but keep fan running if using the microwave .
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Really appreciate it bro!!!
The metal (and bearing material, etc) that you show at the end is not the whole story. The "iridescent" appearance of the oil when you were first draining it and sloshing it around is caused by superfine metallics. The heavier particles (from the end of the video) will settle out, for the most part. The fines stay in suspension, getting pumped around and around. That's actually the stuff you really want to get rid of. I changed mine the first time at 5 hours and it looked like this. My 25 hour (really 30) still had some iridescence, but nothing like my first one. No harm in what you did though. It's out now.
It's a big hassle to use the existing oil drain plug as it is not directly in front of the access door. Save the greef and install a HON1010 "drainzit" extension hose. Just lift it out and remove the cap; bend down the hose into your collection container OUTSIDE the generator. No spills or drips and no skinned knuckles using a wrench. No accidental electrical shorts.
Great idea! So hard to get to this one, and the whole thing came out first go. I guess I should have done the second wrench thing, but I could barely get one wrench in.
I'm betting your manual suggests 10w30 over 5w30.
I love my Westinghouse duel fuel. So quiet and reliable! I used the OEM oil and it runs just fine.
Thanks so much for your video. I’ve bought my first ever generator and appreciate your calm demeanor and knowledgeable advice!!
Yes that oil has lots of metal in it. The color is a dead giveaway. But it is normal for first breakin oil change. Synthetic is great choice and I will use Mobile 1 full synth on mine like all my motors after breakin.
Thank you for your very helpful video. However a word to the wise. As it say remove the spark plug wire. I didn't and I got a huge shock - not fun.
I think you could also undo one of the battery terminals.
Nice video my Brother, I added the Drainzit drain hose to mine.
I purchase this generator and we had a three day power failure tree on the power line.. I ran it three days turned it off just to change
The propane tank. I previous had gas powered Generac that had ton of problems.. I,purchase this duel fuel….I will never run gasoline in it. The 20 lb bottle of propane lasted. 13 hours till ititthe low mark on the tank guard..
Changing the oil was a pain in the butt and messy…I just ordered that hose extensions
That generator was outstanding…ran a window ac and refrig😊
When checking the oil level you are not supposed to screw the dipstick back in. Only seat it into the fill hole then pull it out and check. SEE PAGE #16 in the manual for details.
To check oil level:
---Slowly unscrew and remove the oil dipstick.
---Clean the dipstick and reseat it inside the oil fill hole. Do not thread the dipstick.
---Remove the dipstick and verify that the oil level is within safe operating range.
---If the oil level is low, add recommended engine oil incrementally and recheck until the level is within the safe operating range.
---Replace the oil dipstick and hand-tighten.
Not sure what manual you are looking at, my manual for the 4500 in page 20 says, "5. Screw the dipstick fully into the filler neck. Remove
the dipstick and verify that the oil level is within safe
operating range."
@@braddowns9655 Agree. Page 22 of my manual, under step 5. says "Screw the dipstick fully into the filler neck. Remove the dipstick and verify that the oil level is within safe operating range."
Mine has 16 hours and 4 oil changes. Just by time. Great vid
Instead fo the royal purple, you might consider using a heavy duty diesel engine oil in your small engines, like Mobil Delvac 1300 super (15W-40) or Shell Rotell T-6 5W-40. Diesel engine oils have a much higher zinc content which is beneficial to these small engines, especially since there is no oil filtration.
Just did my oil change and put in Rotella - I use this on all of my small engines.
Great video, good info. thanx
I have this same one for my Mobile Detailing business. Good value for the power.
I was told by the Honda mechanic to ignore the xxxxx's on the dipstick and fill the oil to the edge of the lower lip just before it spills out on a totally level service, also seen the exact same subject on "Steve's Small Engine Saloon" TH-cam channel and he claims the same info and went on to say that those X's are dead wrong and doesn't even represent a safe operating range. I'm no mechanic but it makes sense to me considering how little oil there is in one of these small engines.
Thanks for sharing, I did see the oil just before the lip so it seems like it’s measuring the right level 👍🏾
To the bottom of the threads in the case.
Quick question for you. So the manual calls
For .6qts (19 ounces). Looks like you have about 14 ounces that you put in.
I changed the oil on my Westinghouse i4500 as well, and put in .6 quarts and it was WAY over full. So I ended up putting in about as much as you did.
My question is wth is that in their manual for lol. Second, have you ever had any issues with that amount of oil?
Thanks again man.
I have the same question. I only got out 14 ounces of oil when I drained the generator.
Just remembered that this is a floating ground generator like most inverter generators. They sell plugs you stick into the 110 outlet to let you use your surge protector. Otherwise you will likely get a ground fault when you plug in your surge protector and it won't work.
Good to know! What are those plugs called?
Great video! Also if you move the red power cord don’t let it touch anything metal..it will spark
My man… you see how that oil looks like marble?! That is all metal shavings… if you put a flashlight on it or put it in the sun it’s gonna look like glitter!
Which is normal for first drain like he said. I usually drain it after 30-45 or idle or low output usage
But yea your always gonna see metal shavings on these
One day we’ll look back at these machines and laugh😂😂
I realize that… I was commenting on how he was saying how clean the oil and metal free it was… when it clearly wasn’t free of metal… but yes it’s completely normal especially since there is no oil filter
Pull your dipstick when draining and it’ll go a lot quicker.
Hold a magnet on the bottom of your pan and then swirl the pan around to catch all the metal.
Thanks, I had it undone, it was just sitting in there. Great idea for the magnet 👍🏾👍🏾
I put a magnetic dipstick in mine to catch any loose metal shavings.
I’ve been thinking about getting one 👍🏾
Exactly the magnetic dipstick stops a lot of the shavings recirculating back in the oil and through the system, I use the plug on my Honda 2200
I was gonna mention the same thing… I’ve heard people recommending both magnetic dipsticks and magnetic drain plugs!
I had a similar size red color Honda generator but the engine block cracked when I ran it around the clock while stuck in a blizzard camping in Sierra Nevada mountains a couple years ago .
Now I ordered the blue Westinghouse generator like in your video for much less than a new Honda cost. Plus I got an Open Box discount from Westinghouse. The design appears to be quite similar in both brands . The Honda does have the engine cracking oil leak issue- mine is not the first to have that fault but I did use it pretty hard too.
Any tips for pampering for longevity of these portable generators? You did mention that they are kind of delicate. I do run my machines a bit hard. Would like to see you do a video on Do’s and Don’t s.
You really should read your owner's manual. I don't believe you're supposed to screw it in when you check the oil level and the oil level should be halfway up the threads of what you're screwing the dipstick into.it's also supposed to be hot when you change it
One comment about quality vs price. These Chinese units are much cheaper than a quality unit like a Honda or Yamaha. One thing that makes these cheaper is that they won't generally last nearly as long as Honda or Yamaha. There are Honda units out there with at least 6,000 hrs on them. Some of the Honda eu6500is & newer eu7000is are used for businesses with 10k -15,000 hrs on them. These work for ocassisional use but that's why they cost so much less.
If you look at the drain plug nut you removed you’ll notice some flats on either side of the shaft. That flat is made to accept a second wrench. If you use that second wrench to hold the flats still while you unscrew the hex head bolt on the end, your oil will instead drain a bit further out away from the engine base. Hard to explain but hopefully you get my point. 👍🏼
I noticed that after the fact. Hard to get that sucker threaded back on
When plugging back the battery connector that was in the way, what was the correct order to put back on, unfortunately I did not check before I dissembled
Great video. I only got 14 ounces out of my generator. How much did you get?
Did you install a new crush washer on the drain plug?
Definitely getting a generator soon. May look for the next size down. But then again you make a good case for this one🤔🇺🇸💪
I got some videos coming within the next week or so which will help your decision 💪🏾🇺🇸
@@JB_WhoWork great thanks!
Here’s a fun fact the Cummins branded generator is made by westing house.
Thanks for the video. I enjoy my iGen4500
does this require one to use a spark plug?
I just bought the Cummins Onans P4500i, that’s the same as your generator except the Cummins has a better inverter. I bought to replace my current Honda EU 3000is, since I needed a little bit more power in my RV because of my 1500 btu AC, and running the AC, microwave and refrigerator was sometimes making the Honda trip the circuit unless, I removed the eco mode. The difference between Cummins/Westinghouse 4500 is pretty big difference. The Honda is so much more quiet and the oil change in the Honda is so easy and no mess, no spilling oil. I wish they had a Honda with a little more power but not bigger in size of the Westinghouse or Cummins. I get 48DB with my Honda at 10 feet away and 62DB at 10 feet away. If you don’t need the extra power, spend the extra money and gat the Honda. Also, I changed my oil on the Cummins/Westinghouse one hour after the 1st startup with no load, and now changing oil again at the 24hr break in with 25% break in .
get a drainz-it less messy and easy to install. I use cheap oil in mine just because I use mine all the time and change my oil every 50 hours.
Read your manual. More than not you fill oil until it's on the threads & almost draining out.
Can I use 10-30 ?
Hi have the new Igen4000dfc and noticed that the wheels in the back have alot of play and as a result they rattle. I know you have the 4500 which has the same wheels, I believe, do they rattle? I'm wondering if there is alot of play between the wheel and the washer. Thanks !!!
No rattle, at all
Anyone know where to get service parts for these generators??? I can’t parts to save my life. Bonus points if they’re OEM parts!
Nice video. I’d love to have an inverter generator that size. Mine weighs something like 280 pounds or 260 or something and it is an absolute hoss cat for me to get in and out of my truck for the races. I have to use four wheeler ramps and pull it up in my bed lol.
That one would be easy peasy compared to mine. It looks small enough actually to just set inside the car trailer.
Thanks, I can lift it up into my truck by myself although it’s a chore due to it being awkward 👍🏾
This one weighs in at just over 100lbs. Couldn’t imagine lugging one as heavy as you have been. Hopefully you can get a lighter one soon
@@altarwork I got a Predator (Harbor Freight brand) super quiet 3500 watt inverter generator in November of last year that weighs 100 pounds and is much much easier to fool with. And it is exceptionally quiet.
@@matthewanderson9912 that’s what I wanted to get but when I ran across one of these Westinghouse 4500 watt ones without the co2 protection crap and remote start for $899 I had to abandon the predator idea.
@@altarwork nice. Sounds like you got a deal. I have after tax and in store replacement 2 year warranty just over $1,000 for mine. It was during Black Friday last year and the sale price was $799 I think.
I’m happy with it so far. It’s shockingly quiet. Like almost unbelievable quiet.
Good stuff....
Does anyone know how to use the inverter?
Purple might not be the best for sm engines i heard that the die in it will coat parts and over time will stop up passeges. I know i dont want in my generater or anything really. Got a 750 hp 351 clev. Gave to son people said not to use it. From what ive hesrd about it i wount use it in anything.
Thanks Howard, I’ve always heard good things about RP but I will keep this in mind 👍🏾
No oil filter? Manual doesn't mention one, just want to make sur im not missing anything.
Jb have you had much luck with this running your ac or at least on of them.
Here you go:
Can A 4500 Watt Inverter Generator Run 2 Fifth Wheel AC Units? Find Out!
th-cam.com/video/H3Dp9leS43Q/w-d-xo.html
I have another video I will do to follow up on this 👍🏾
I have same unit. I run my camper ac just fine.
I use it in arizona on my 20-foot travel trailer, one ac unit, and it increases rpms. But it does nicely. I turn ac off but keep fan running if using the microwave .
It's made in China.have read the faults.sticking with honda.QA is far better.parts any town.T800Aust
It looks so tiny :)
Lol
Thanks!
Thank you for the Super!!!