In this video I didn't talk about control surfaces, which I think is an important part of the overall setup. Should I do a video about setting up control surfaces? Nothing beats having fingers on faders!
Thank you sir for providing easy to follow and explicit instruction on teaching your TH-cam audience the "how to's and what's" on audio setups for live streaming. This is a good reference point for many novice audio enthusiasts to begin.
Truly, God bless you for taking the time to make these videos. Even with the appropriate budget to duplicate your suggestions, it will still be a challenge for many to achieve the end product. It will take much time and technical knowledge. Thank you!
Wow, what a massive setup, at my church we're lucky to have one person to do the lot (me), AV slides, sound (analogue Yamaha MG20XU), two PTZ cams, and streaming (OBS), all done in the actual church, no side rooms etc. Most who walk up usually run the other way when asked to help. Luckily bands tend to be 4 mics and one guitar or keyboard.
Great stuff. I've been wanting this clear and well thought through tutorial for a while now. It really helpful. I'll only add that you post more often. 😉
Do you have any further resources or advise related to the content presented around time stamp 11:26? We are desperately fighting the audio volume of our church live stream. We are currently running out of an Allen and Heath SQ 5 into a Black Magic Atem Constellation.
What exactly is the issue you are having? Most likely it's not a connection issue, but a mix issue. Have you watched my video on volume? th-cam.com/video/Fi6cZmsHvKA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lSO67K7Jgjid7N4U
I am have issues getting digital audio from the AES device into the audio to sdi injector. The analogue avio to my analogue mixer is working fine. Do you know how to trouble shoot this?
I've been following you for years and always appreciate your content!! We are in the process of putting all this into place. My one question is how would you solo a channel without the solo going into the live stream? We are using a PC
If you’re mixing live for a broadcast mute the speakers and use some cellphones to hear what people are actually hearing. Use headphones. Use speakers last. If you use headphones use some ie500 in ear headphones and some cheaper Akg headphones to balance it better
we've got all the items in and connected according to the diagram. we're using ableton live. have Dante coming over from our A&H SQ6. I guess I'm wondering how is the output getting out to the BMD mini converter from our ableton mac? I was thinking it would come up in the Dante controller to route it, but it's not. I hope I'm making sense.
In Dante Controller, you won't see ableton, but only your Mac as the device. So just like you are routing your audio from the SQ to the Mac, you need to route output 1&2 from the mac to your Dante AES output device. (Then in Ableton route your master mix to Dante output 1&2.) Some people are confused by the fact that they route audio to input 1&2 of the Mac and then output to 1&2 as well. They are not the same thing, they are totally different audio paths. (If you'd like to do a consulting call, I can remote into your machine, I'd be happy to set that up with you sometime, just get in touch with me on my facebook page - linked up in the description of this video.)
Love your videos, and while I would love to be able to have a setup like this, my church just can’t afford this. Could I use VSTs on OBS to even get close to that second recording you showed? I’m new to this and didn’t know if you had a video on VSTs or not. Again, love your videos. Gives me something to shoot for in the future.
If you have a digital mixer, you will be able to connect to the computer through USB or Firewire instead of dante. If you use VST on OBS, you are applying the effects to just 2 channels (left/right). You can still add some effects for sure, but you will not have full control for all channels like a virtual mixer by using DAW.
Yes you can use VST plugins in OBS, but essentially, you're just inserting the plugins on your master bus/mix, which while is important, is only about 1/10th of crafting an overall mix. Like I say in the first video of this series, start a road map, what is one thing you can do to take a step in the right direction.
This seems quite complicated considering I have no knowledge on this. My church is about to get a digital board. Do you set this up for churches. How much is total church at if we need to get everything
Yes, I do offer consulting. If you just want to talk and get questions answered, or I can also do a remote session and help you solve problems/get things configured properly. I do also offer a "custom DAW template," that's where I'll take your recorded tracks and customize a setup in Reaper to your needs. As part of that process, I'll also help walk you through getting your system setup if you need through remote sessions and do some training with your operators after it's setup and working. www.ballastmedia.com/consulting
I have a few questions regarding injecting audio via AES. So it looks like you are injecting the program out. Which encoder do you guys use and how would you get that into OBS/Streamlabs? Secondly, is it possible to inject the audio into the converter and into an SDI input of the atem and would that cause a lost of audio quality?
Take the SDI output of the audio embedder and run that to an SDI capture device (I like the AJA U-tap SDI: amzn.to/3SiNlJr) I don't think running it back to the ATEM would have the desired effect, because essentially you'd still have the same audio level issues on the output.
@@christianpirlet5494 You shouldn't have any trouble running 24 channels through Dante Virtual Soundcard - meaning just over the computer's network card, no need for the Dante PCIe card.
Thanks so much for an awesome & informative series. Please advise on specs for a budget Mac Mini or Windows alternative. We would recommend on a budget for a DAW that shall be used primarily live Live Steam Audio production. We are a small church with 2 keyboards, basic drum set & 7-10 vocals mics. Thanks again for all the great content.
So, you're looking at about 24 channels. Look for an i7 with 32GB of ram. If you're willing to take a risk on a refurbished machine something like this should work well: amzn.to/3PjZugn
Hi I tried the AES method, everything is routed correctly! Dante controller shows there is audio passing through however, it seems like I am not getting any audio output on our webpresenter. The audio works when we use a analog output avio device straight into the ATEM. I tested the cable, and dante controller is showing there is audio being pass through do you have any ideas what is wrong
Not exactly sure what issue you are having. Can you send me a message on my ballastmedia facebook page (It's linked in the description of this video) and I'll ask for some pictures of your settings, etc and we can probably get this figured out.
Hi thanks for making these videos, you have been most generous with you time. It’s interesting that you have mentioned about the switcher unable to handle modern broadcast level audio (-10 to -14 LUFS short term and -14 LUFS long term). We use a Aja Ki pro Ultra 12G and feed it with analogue audio from broadcast console, when the stream is live on TH-cam the audio sounds ok but the recorded audio on the video changes the stereo image as well as tonal balance. Wanted to know if this is also a know issue on AJA Ki pro devices when feeding analogue audio. Usually the meters on the Ki Pro are in red when receiving broadcast level audio.
The “enable sync to external” on my Yamaha TF1 is “N/A”. From what I understand it might be a limitation on the devices part. Any idea how to curve this? Is there something I’m missing?
What are you using for your Dante switch? Sync issues have been reported if you use a wireless router as your main connection for Dante. Better setup is to connect all Dante devices to a dedicated gigabit switch, and then connect your wireless router to that if you need an access point for control of the mixer, etc.
I am have issues getting digital audio from the AES device into the audio to sdi injector. The analogue avio to my analogue mixer is working fine. Do you know how to trouble shoot this?
If you're using the BM audio embedder, first thing I would say is to check the switches on the side of the unit. They are very confusing what is actually on and off, and what they are meaning in the manual as on and off. But you'll want to get the AES channel 1&2 turned on to SDI channel 1&2. And make sure in Dante Control you have gone in through the Device Config tab of the AVIO AES and set its sample rate to whatever you're using for Dante's clock frequency.
Hello ballast can i still attain such an end product with sending 16 audio channels from an analog sound board through a behringer um2 soundcard to a separate pc for daw. How would i go about setting up such a system with what i have
Unfortunately, I've been looking at the solution for analog for a while, and every time I do, the math doesn't work out. It ends up being cheaper to purchase a new digital mixer that supports some way of getting audio into your computer/DAW, then trying to come up with a way to bring in a lot of audio channels from analog.
I use dante into the mac mini ethernet port and a usb sound card out (which also has a headphone for monitoring) to the encoder's (atem mini pro) line in. I'm playing with logic pro trial at the moment. Reaper too confusing
So the church I help out has a soundcraft si impact , is it possible to do a live mix on a daw and send it over by ndi from the mix computer to the stream computer?
Unfortunately, the Qu16 doesn't have the capability to add an expansion card, so you'd have to use the USB connection to send audio out to a DAW. USB extenders (e.g. convert to cat cable, etc) are usually hit or miss in their ability to actually sustain data rates needed for audio. Most are made to extend keyboard and mouse, not transmit multi-channels of audio data reliably. *I have not used this product* but I have heard of people having success doing this with the Gefen EXT-USB2.0-LR (amzn.to/48O9jee). Otherwise, another approach would be to position the computer close to your mixer and remote into it for control and send long audio cables for monitoring.
its probably user error to do with you need to configure the audio input jacks on the minis to be line level instead of mic level (default). also user needs to understand things like audio follows video… also you cant use plugins on individual inputs.
Can you elaborate on the "Known Quirk" of the ATEM switchers? Or maybe point me toward information about that? I'm with you on staying D-D rather than D-A and A-back-to-D.
Does it provide each channel output to the USB? You could use USB to send to your computer. That approach does have a few obstacles though. You are limited in the distance the DAW computer can be from the mixer. (USB doesn't do well over long distances) and you will need to figure out a different monitoring/routing solution then what I show in these videos because you can't route back out to Dante.
Reaper won't show up. The computer that is running DVS (Dante Virtual Soundcard) will be what is showing up in Controller. Dante controller just sees Dante devices on the network, in most cases for the computer, when you run DVS that becomes the dante device that you will see on the network to route to and from. And if you stop DVS on your computer, the device will go away on Controller.
@@jessicag5772 Correct. Once you start DVS, it will most likely be your computer's name that shows up in Controller, so you're routing the mixer channels to your "computer" is how it will appear in Controller, but yes, you're routing the audio to DVS.
Usually you would bring audio in on an AES50 to the Wing from your stage box, and then route audio out one of the other Wing AES50 ports to go to your x32.
Yes but I use only one Dante avio AES3 plus two analog and one use avio when I connect I don’t see how transmitted o receive audio. I use iMac Pro with Dante sound card to AES3, only the analog work! I don’t know why don’t work
Sure, you could use MADI if you're console has that interface already, you could use something like this to bring your audio in to the DAW computer amzn.to/3J6V60B
Hey there. We don't have instruments. We only sing accapella. Our main issue is that we can't hear the audience singing, or when we have Bible class, our people on line can't hear people's questions that are asked or answered. 😢
@@ernomon9873I like the Rode NT5 (amzn.to/4cesUWj) but the M5 also works well for half the price. (amzn.to/4csm2VN). Check out my video on audience mics! th-cam.com/video/rOSAymbwsCY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ogi19QkgGFF9g05l
In this video I didn't talk about control surfaces, which I think is an important part of the overall setup. Should I do a video about setting up control surfaces? Nothing beats having fingers on faders!
Please do. It'd be a great resource for us.
Yes please would be great!
Eagerly waiting for it please
Absolutely
Yes please
Thank you sir for providing easy to follow and explicit instruction on teaching your TH-cam audience the "how to's and what's" on audio setups for live streaming. This is a good reference point for many novice audio enthusiasts to begin.
Truly, God bless you for taking the time to make these videos. Even with the appropriate budget to duplicate your suggestions, it will still be a challenge for many to achieve the end product. It will take much time and technical knowledge. Thank you!
Wow, what a massive setup, at my church we're lucky to have one person to do the lot (me), AV slides, sound (analogue Yamaha MG20XU), two PTZ cams, and streaming (OBS), all done in the actual church, no side rooms etc.
Most who walk up usually run the other way when asked to help.
Luckily bands tend to be 4 mics and one guitar or keyboard.
May I have the link of your church?
@@mtso1122 put "st francis xavier church frankston" in the TH-cam search bar
Came from Part one .. Thank You
Great stuff. I've been wanting this clear and well thought through tutorial for a while now. It really helpful.
I'll only add that you post more often. 😉
Just so helpful. Thanks for these great videos!
Thank you for your work...really helpful and I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the video. I am so eager for your audio template.
Do you have any further resources or advise related to the content presented around time stamp 11:26? We are desperately fighting the audio volume of our church live stream. We are currently running out of an Allen and Heath SQ 5 into a Black Magic Atem Constellation.
What exactly is the issue you are having? Most likely it's not a connection issue, but a mix issue. Have you watched my video on volume? th-cam.com/video/Fi6cZmsHvKA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lSO67K7Jgjid7N4U
I am have issues getting digital audio from the AES device into the audio to sdi injector.
The analogue avio to my analogue mixer is working fine. Do you know how to trouble shoot this?
This is great! Thank you so much!!
I've been following you for years and always appreciate your content!! We are in the process of putting all this into place. My one question is how would you solo a channel without the solo going into the live stream? We are using a PC
I'll cover that in the next video! Good question.
If you’re mixing live for a broadcast mute the speakers and use some cellphones to hear what people are actually hearing. Use headphones. Use speakers last. If you use headphones use some ie500 in ear headphones and some cheaper Akg headphones to balance it better
Congratulations on the content. It helped me a lot, but I can't download the PDF file in the video description. I'm waiting for a new link, please.
Next level bro!😊😢
on your diagram of the dante avio connecting to the BMD audio to sdi, is the Avio XLR converting from xlr to 1/4" to connect to it?
If you look at my PDF diagram, cable J is an AES xlr to 1/4" cable.
we've got all the items in and connected according to the diagram. we're using ableton live. have Dante coming over from our A&H SQ6. I guess I'm wondering how is the output getting out to the BMD mini converter from our ableton mac? I was thinking it would come up in the Dante controller to route it, but it's not. I hope I'm making sense.
If this is more in depth, we're totally open to paying you to consult with our church.
In Dante Controller, you won't see ableton, but only your Mac as the device. So just like you are routing your audio from the SQ to the Mac, you need to route output 1&2 from the mac to your Dante AES output device. (Then in Ableton route your master mix to Dante output 1&2.) Some people are confused by the fact that they route audio to input 1&2 of the Mac and then output to 1&2 as well. They are not the same thing, they are totally different audio paths. (If you'd like to do a consulting call, I can remote into your machine, I'd be happy to set that up with you sometime, just get in touch with me on my facebook page - linked up in the description of this video.)
Love your videos, and while I would love to be able to have a setup like this, my church just can’t afford this. Could I use VSTs on OBS to even get close to that second recording you showed? I’m new to this and didn’t know if you had a video on VSTs or not. Again, love your videos. Gives me something to shoot for in the future.
If you have a digital mixer, you will be able to connect to the computer through USB or Firewire instead of dante. If you use VST on OBS, you are applying the effects to just 2 channels (left/right). You can still add some effects for sure, but you will not have full control for all channels like a virtual mixer by using DAW.
Yes you can use VST plugins in OBS, but essentially, you're just inserting the plugins on your master bus/mix, which while is important, is only about 1/10th of crafting an overall mix. Like I say in the first video of this series, start a road map, what is one thing you can do to take a step in the right direction.
This seems quite complicated considering I have no knowledge on this. My church is about to get a digital board. Do you set this up for churches. How much is total church at if we need to get everything
Yes, I do offer consulting. If you just want to talk and get questions answered, or I can also do a remote session and help you solve problems/get things configured properly. I do also offer a "custom DAW template," that's where I'll take your recorded tracks and customize a setup in Reaper to your needs. As part of that process, I'll also help walk you through getting your system setup if you need through remote sessions and do some training with your operators after it's setup and working. www.ballastmedia.com/consulting
I have a few questions regarding injecting audio via AES. So it looks like you are injecting the program out. Which encoder do you guys use and how would you get that into OBS/Streamlabs?
Secondly, is it possible to inject the audio into the converter and into an SDI input of the atem and would that cause a lost of audio quality?
Take the SDI output of the audio embedder and run that to an SDI capture device (I like the AJA U-tap SDI: amzn.to/3SiNlJr) I don't think running it back to the ATEM would have the desired effect, because essentially you'd still have the same audio level issues on the output.
Great video. Lots to think about. The Dante PCIe card is currently 1600. using a USB connection to the computer?
How many channels are you running?
@@BallastMedia About 24 on our X32. Thanks for the reply btw.
@@christianpirlet5494 You shouldn't have any trouble running 24 channels through Dante Virtual Soundcard - meaning just over the computer's network card, no need for the Dante PCIe card.
@@BallastMedia awesome thank you
Hi, can you maybe explain how you do the same thing via usb out from the mixer instead of the dante card.
Thanks so much for an awesome & informative series.
Please advise on specs for a budget Mac Mini or Windows alternative.
We would recommend on a budget for a DAW that shall be used primarily live Live Steam Audio production.
We are a small church with 2 keyboards, basic drum set & 7-10 vocals mics.
Thanks again for all the great content.
So, you're looking at about 24 channels. Look for an i7 with 32GB of ram. If you're willing to take a risk on a refurbished machine something like this should work well: amzn.to/3PjZugn
Hi I tried the AES method, everything is routed correctly! Dante controller shows there is audio passing through however, it seems like I am not getting any audio output on our webpresenter. The audio works when we use a analog output avio device straight into the ATEM. I tested the cable, and dante controller is showing there is audio being pass through do you have any ideas what is wrong
@@nathangoh834 how are you getting AES to the webpresenter? I don't believe it had AES audio inputs?
@@BallastMedia Hi, I am getting it through an SDI audio injector like the one you linked.
Not exactly sure what issue you are having. Can you send me a message on my ballastmedia facebook page (It's linked in the description of this video) and I'll ask for some pictures of your settings, etc and we can probably get this figured out.
Hi thanks for making these videos, you have been most generous with you time.
It’s interesting that you have mentioned about the switcher unable to handle modern broadcast level audio (-10 to -14 LUFS short term and -14 LUFS long term). We use a Aja Ki pro Ultra 12G and feed it with analogue audio from broadcast console, when the stream is live on TH-cam the audio sounds ok but the recorded audio on the video changes the stereo image as well as tonal balance. Wanted to know if this is also a know issue on AJA Ki pro devices when feeding analogue audio. Usually the meters on the Ki Pro are in red when receiving broadcast level audio.
The “enable sync to external” on my Yamaha TF1 is “N/A”. From what I understand it might be a limitation on the devices part. Any idea how to curve this? Is there something I’m missing?
What are you using for your Dante switch? Sync issues have been reported if you use a wireless router as your main connection for Dante. Better setup is to connect all Dante devices to a dedicated gigabit switch, and then connect your wireless router to that if you need an access point for control of the mixer, etc.
Man, this is a lot 😮
I am have issues getting digital audio from the AES device into the audio to sdi injector.
The analogue avio to my analogue mixer is working fine. Do you know how to trouble shoot this?
If you're using the BM audio embedder, first thing I would say is to check the switches on the side of the unit. They are very confusing what is actually on and off, and what they are meaning in the manual as on and off. But you'll want to get the AES channel 1&2 turned on to SDI channel 1&2. And make sure in Dante Control you have gone in through the Device Config tab of the AVIO AES and set its sample rate to whatever you're using for Dante's clock frequency.
Hello ballast can i still attain such an end product with sending 16 audio channels from an analog sound board through a behringer um2 soundcard to a separate pc for daw. How would i go about setting up such a system with what i have
Unfortunately, I've been looking at the solution for analog for a while, and every time I do, the math doesn't work out. It ends up being cheaper to purchase a new digital mixer that supports some way of getting audio into your computer/DAW, then trying to come up with a way to bring in a lot of audio channels from analog.
I use dante into the mac mini ethernet port and a usb sound card out (which also has a headphone for monitoring) to the encoder's (atem mini pro) line in. I'm playing with logic pro trial at the moment. Reaper too confusing
So the church I help out has a soundcraft si impact , is it possible to do a live mix on a daw and send it over by ndi from the mix computer to the stream computer?
Potentially NDI could work. What DAW are you using? What are you streaming with on the streaming computer?
@@BallastMedia I was going to use reaper, not currently using one. And I’m streaming with vmix
We have allen & heath qu16 how to expand multitrack signal which 60feet, where the live stream audio computer is placed.
Unfortunately, the Qu16 doesn't have the capability to add an expansion card, so you'd have to use the USB connection to send audio out to a DAW. USB extenders (e.g. convert to cat cable, etc) are usually hit or miss in their ability to actually sustain data rates needed for audio. Most are made to extend keyboard and mouse, not transmit multi-channels of audio data reliably. *I have not used this product* but I have heard of people having success doing this with the Gefen EXT-USB2.0-LR (amzn.to/48O9jee). Otherwise, another approach would be to position the computer close to your mixer and remote into it for control and send long audio cables for monitoring.
Hello, would you be able to explain the quirk that happens with ATEM audio? This is my first time hearing of this issue.
its probably user error to do with you need to configure the audio input jacks on the minis to be line level instead of mic level (default). also user needs to understand things like audio follows video… also you cant use plugins on individual inputs.
Is it possible to use Dante Virtual Sound card as your input for OBS on the same computer?
Yes, but you need to install the ASIO plugin for OBS. (OBS doesn't support asio by default.)
Can you elaborate on the "Known Quirk" of the ATEM switchers? Or maybe point me toward information about that? I'm with you on staying D-D rather than D-A and A-back-to-D.
forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=124529 And for some more info. forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18474
Hi ,
We use soundcraft uir24 which doesn't have Dante.
Can you help with it
Does it provide each channel output to the USB? You could use USB to send to your computer. That approach does have a few obstacles though. You are limited in the distance the DAW computer can be from the mixer. (USB doesn't do well over long distances) and you will need to figure out a different monitoring/routing solution then what I show in these videos because you can't route back out to Dante.
Hello. Reaper isn’t showing up in Dante Controller. How do I get controller to see Reaper?
Reaper won't show up. The computer that is running DVS (Dante Virtual Soundcard) will be what is showing up in Controller. Dante controller just sees Dante devices on the network, in most cases for the computer, when you run DVS that becomes the dante device that you will see on the network to route to and from. And if you stop DVS on your computer, the device will go away on Controller.
@@BallastMedia thanks for the reply. So, I’m basically routing the mixer channels to the dvs in controller?
@@jessicag5772 Correct. Once you start DVS, it will most likely be your computer's name that shows up in Controller, so you're routing the mixer channels to your "computer" is how it will appear in Controller, but yes, you're routing the audio to DVS.
@@BallastMedia thank you so much!
How do you setup a live stream when am using Wing for front of house and x32 for live streaming
Usually you would bring audio in on an AES50 to the Wing from your stage box, and then route audio out one of the other Wing AES50 ports to go to your x32.
How I can get in contact with you to speak with you
Best way is to go to my ballasmedia Facebook page that is linked in the description of this video and send me a message there.
can i just use an aux mix and send my sound through an audio interface to my computer and streamlabs?
Yes, you can.
I saw this video and I but Dante Avio AES3 for digital but for some reason don’t work! How can I use adapter aes3 Dante how many I need?
Are you powering the AVIO with a POE switch?
Yes but I use only one Dante avio AES3 plus two analog and one use avio when I connect I don’t see how transmitted o receive audio. I use iMac Pro with Dante sound card to AES3, only the analog work! I don’t know why don’t work
@@microdoulo2250 What device are you connecting the AVIO AES device to?
Similar issue. I wanted to use 4 aes ebu channels to embed with the mini converter but can only get one channel to send audio.
Did you figure out a solution I can only get the analog to pass audio as well not the digital
How much of this could be done with MADI?
Sure, you could use MADI if you're console has that interface already, you could use something like this to bring your audio in to the DAW computer amzn.to/3J6V60B
reaper is a great choice because its cpu efficient, its windows, linux, and mac compatible, it’s inexpensive, and its not protools 😂
Hey there. We don't have instruments. We only sing accapella. Our main issue is that we can't hear the audience singing, or when we have Bible class, our people on line can't hear people's questions that are asked or answered. 😢
Do you have audience mics?
@@BallastMedia not at the moment, we're just in the process of putting together so that we can accommodate audience mics. Any recommendations?
@@ernomon9873I like the Rode NT5 (amzn.to/4cesUWj) but the M5 also works well for half the price. (amzn.to/4csm2VN). Check out my video on audience mics! th-cam.com/video/rOSAymbwsCY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ogi19QkgGFF9g05l
I don’t understand anymore, I’m not used to these terminologies..
well then, you have work to do. plenty of youtube videos on all these technologies.