V Rising Siege Golems Are Awful But Not in the Way that you Think They Are Please Buff Them SLS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- Here is me showcasing how miserable siege golems are at end game. They basically get 1 combo insta destroyed and absolutely mutilated by any weapon and ability combo.
Many players are using advanced forms of siege defense so even if the golem was not awful it would still take forever to punch through even a few honeycombs inside a castle. Please consider giving the golem a ranged weapon like a rock it could throw or let its health scale with gear or perhaps it could explode and shoot boulders out piercing nearby structures.
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That golem doesn't need buffed the reason people think it's so OP is because of how early you can get it. And especially on single heart servers, you can get a golem and knock their walls down before they can get good defenses up. A better solution would be to have multiple tiers of golems instead of buffing this one
Good call out Zombie. I love this idea, the tier 1 golem can be made of lumber and clay lol.
@@SoBadStrange this game is in such a great state content and performance wise for an early access game I'm sure that they will be able to look at and iron out things like this quickly
Nah, they need to add that AND make the big golem stronger. There is no way to pass trough 70 layers if you are alone, even in group is really hard.
Also, the golem isnt that strong in early, for that time you can have a really good honeycomb setted up.
The only people complaining are the ones that made their castle a esthetically masterpiece, with just 1 layer of walls.
@@manessuarezserantes9269 yeah thats my point. Not everyone wants to be sweaty and make an annoying honnycomb castle, and even if they did the majority of the player base dont do that. And even if you did, on solo play you dont have nearly enough space for it. So yes, how early you get the golem it is strong. The whole system needs reworked anyway. Having 3 bases in the way of your real one as defense isnt fun for either side
or different ways instead of golems to breatch a wall
That base spot is just stupidly op tho every fresh start people rush that place it's boring needs more than 1 approach. Right next to all the end game resources too...
I have a little tip for u with the daggers : if u cast first spell against a wall it will still push u back so u Can use this as a dash ^^ it may have saved u there, I'm not sure but I've been using this more and more in my games and I feel like it's really good in some scenarios ^^
Whoaaaa Elio with the knowledge! Big tip buddy thank you 😃
You cant bat form with a siege golem.....
I think context is really important when talking about buffing or nerfing something as controversial as siege mechanics. I can definitely see where you're coming from playing end game on a solo hardcore private server; on a official server where zergs happen it is a much different story however.
My 2 man got raided by a 12 man on official server. After that I never played official again. Better to play a private server with active admins
So let me get this right, You are attacking the hardest spot to raid, solo, againts the strongest player, whilst he is online with moded server with shorter raid times and are saying its hard ?
Do i need to explain more ?
If you check out my 1v3 siege defense video you can see that I solo’ed a golem at lvl 48 in just a few moments vs. a skull player.
I hear you though Luc and that is a good argument!
I guess you don't understand this game? I mean that could have been done at ant spot in the game. He couldn't even break 1 wall with a merciless iron weapon you can kill a golem in 10 shots... or 8 with an iron bow from a window... golem are weak and if your online no reason they should be able to break your base if you can 8 shot it with a iron crossbow through a window.
@@TehMunch1 The golem isn't made to fight people. You're contextualizing this in a 1v1 setting. The official servers aren't solo clan only. If there are any more players on the sieging team, they can absolutely be a damage threat to defenders and buy the golem time. He was just a few attacks from breaking that wall as it is. Don't take 1v1 examples and blanket apply them to all situations in the game. Most servers have a clan max of 4.
@@johnryan3622 ??? Like he said all you need to do is shoot the golem from a window, not very hard. Official or not lol siege golems are garbage against anybody who knows what they are doing/
@@johnryan3622 things called windows and you hit it throught that for free. the wall was at least 3 more hits from being dead, and it died in like 6 hits with max gear. intresting how many servers are now 1.5x hp of golems cause they die way to fast. He couldnt even break a wall and the guy didnt show up for 3 mins to attack him. watch is 1 v 3 video where he solo a golem vs a skull player as like lvl 50. There not strong, and if you prepare at all with slaves and windows almost impossible to win.
Wow he brought that golem down faster than I've ever seen. On my server no one raids alone and they usually bring 10+ golems. Most of the time they bring even more golems though. So they always break through. Usually several clans team up so at most raids there are like 6-8 people to fight + their insane amounts of golems. And the raid window is from 17:00-23:00 every day. This may help you understand why people want them nerfed. Maybe the siege golem should scale off of how many people are raiding, like the bosses in the game does but the other way around. If you're solo it should be more powerful, and if you're around a bunch of people it should be nerfed.
Well some group summoned 6 golems that's dirty as fuck.
The timer to activate also seems garbage too..it takes so long for it to summon so if the defender kills you it's insta gg?
thanks for making the video! i know how long it is to farm that gear and golem solo little alone on a hardcore pvp server so thanks for showing us :)
Sam, thank you for tuning in! Definitely heartbreaking to lose a siege if your clan can’t get on so we got very lucky here trapping two of them lol.
it's insane to me that it even takes a player to pilot, feel like having it be an NPC would free up so much but maybe that makes it too annoying on solo servers?
Whoa this is actually a great idea! They could just randomly rampage about while you protect them. Maybe their damage can hit you as well so it’s hectic 😜
it should be an npc, that's ridiculous that it isn't
There is a Sulfur Siege Golem in the game files, so I think that is one of the intended solutions, it's just not implemented yet. On solo right now I have that same spot claimed with 2 castles. I currently have a similar setup and have 2 out of the 3 unique Soul Shards. I don't think anyone is ever getting in without collusion/teaming.
Also about bat, you can't bring golem ior bombs in bat form.
EDIT: Also yeah X Strike goes through Stones and Trees, it's insane
Whoa interesting knowledge Rosuto. I want to dig in further and figure out what other further things they might have hidden in those files!
Would be a nice video to talk about future possibilities of content 😃
This is a great example of how underpowered siege golems are. They absolutely fall apart in just a few hits. The defending team doesn't even need to care about fighting you. They just ult the golem and its dead and the siege is stopped. Golem needs a complete rework--either made much MUCH tankier, or to allow explosives to be placed while inside it and to work on the first wall this way.
buffing the golem? Lmao. Dude, it's solo raid, and you're complaning about trying to raid someone solo vs hardest raiding spot. Did you try golems in 3-4 clan size server? They are OP, ppl just using 2 golems and just destroying you, and nothing just can stop them, even slaves lol. Golems need to be strong weapon, but you must have ability to deffend yourself and also they should just add more variants for raiding.
If 2 people use golem in a 4 clan server, that is 2 worthless attackers. The other 4 clan would obliterate them.
I like the variant idea, maybe a golem form that takes scouragestone to use? Can only use every 2 hours. Lots of interesting idea.
Siege weapons like acid thrower or garlic caltrops.
Are you playing by yourself on a server with clans? Because otherwise it should be 2v4 and if you lost to that you were probably gonna lose in the first place.
Totally agree. I'm playing with some settings for my next server reset. I'm going to nerf the HP and Power of all the units by 1/2 in order to make the Golem effectively twice as strong in comparison. Also I'm dropping castle size by half to reduce honeycombing. Combined with the 1/2 power setting, walls will be effectively 2x as strong against players, enhancing the need for Golems and Explosives.
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ive never seen it or used it as of yet
but think about it there is only 1 raid way in the game and if the golem is the only way to raid it needs to be stronger
because who knows the honey comb on a base and on top if that if a player dies his dead
Why didn't he defend with windows?
In fact you want to kill your target 2-3 times before the raid, cause if he got to repair you got a window to break walls + each time you kill your target have a bigger respawn time, you only need to break one wall and then better use explosives instead, you shouldn't claim your golems without killing your opponent before at least one time, then it's about to put the ennemy base in breach state asap, then it's all about how much explosives you got on you. Killing a base is more about killing your opponent first. Use first golem as a bait and not claim it too early. It's not that golems are weak, it's that you lack of strategy. Moreover, you badly use the golem dmg rotation, you have to Q + Autos only for maximum dmg output. Also there will be sulfur golems soon so i guess you'll be able to do those straight stupid assaults. To finish with at endgame golems are kinda free to make, so there is no big deal to use 1-2 golems just to bait your target for a kill on him. Peoples don't have infinite backup sets, and whatever you still can comeback after to finish the work. In conclusion : you just don't do it right.
PS : if possible you should consider a raid base nearby your target to put in explosives, backup sets ( if merciless ) and golems. If you use servants properly you'll anyway have so much backup sets at a point that you won't ever need to repair. Then they work for you to continue produce barely free backup sets. At endgame golems are just here to put a enemy base in breach state after a door/wall kill. You can even avoid most defenses by putting the breach state and then bat form behind the base and kill a wall with spells and weapon. So you directly arrive in the sweet spots without facing servants. If you are blocked with the loot, juste hide it and batform again to re-breach then take your loot back and continue.
W/E so much ways to outplay and overcome just use your imagination and try things.
PPS : hide horses at smart positions so you can free escape if pursuited. You should ALWAYS have a retreat plan. It's even more important on merciless.
PPPS : As a slashers player please play rogue 100%, so no one can track you down. Warrior is more for Axes player eventualy. With Slashers Movespeed is the win condition. You wasn't enough prepared at all for a top player takedown. You aren't really at endgame pvp if you don't have permanently a 100% blood on you.
This requires your opponent to run out of his castle into your open arms to die 3 times in a row, each time within the window that will increase his deathtimer. This will NEVER happen and has never happened. It requires one guy with chaos volley and ult to go out there, use chaos volley, ult, chaos volley and your golem is dead. Even with ultra oneshot build you can only do 65% of someone's hp noncrit and there is no way to stop him. And that is if there is only ONE guy defending. Any extra guys and its impossible
@@awildbrownieappears9987 im the shardkeeper on 3 servers and wiped everyone i absolutely know what im talking about
@@awildbrownieappears9987 but well everyone seems to be progamers in the comments it's not what i observe in game , what i observe is in game DMs to whine about the game design and the shards buffs being too strong or at how much my skill is about being lucky so i guess i'm lucky 24/24 7/7 and know nothing about the game and only say bullshit. Let's say this. Ohh dude that's my first survival " competitive " game and dunno if it is always like this with the community but people feelings are 100% harder to overcome than the whole game , god. All the guys i defeated was thinking of being the best players ever until i saw them ragequit after my siege to another more casual regions. I'm at a point where admins ask me to be more gentle with peoples to don't make them ragequit, hey it's not fking animal crossing it's pissing me so hard. Sorry to not being another of those famous streamer/ytber you give your trust in a blink of an eye without contesting.
@@harkayn8053 Judging from what you are saying you do not know how it goes on most server. Ive played 10 different servers now, from hardcore to normal pvp. I run around on the server killing people 1v1 1v2 1v3 for a long time. Life is great. Early to midgame the game functions properly. However then suddenly lategame start. There isnt much to farm for anymore (apart from high repair costs but follower can get most of that). People hardly leave their bases anymore because there is fuckall to do. Also I am the guy that runs around looking for good fights to be had so I will look to kill people whereas every other carebear on the server is friendly to eachother so they will all team up when they get sieged. People dont leave their base anymore so your premise of being able tokill them a couple of times before the siege is a scenario that only happens in an ideal dream world. Then when you go to attack them all the nutcups mean there is 8 people looking to defend a base. It all has the potential to be great for pvp. HOWEVER. It doesnt matter how many opponents there are. You only need 1 GUY to come out and use 10 seconds to take down a siege golem. If you were just able to break down one wall with a golem before it gets destroyed its all good. Then you can all go and play the game and have an actual siege defence. But it takes 1,5 minutes to take a castle door down and 10 seconds to take down a golem (spawned or in the siege stone form). It is currently not possible to siege people that are online, have gear and are actively defending. O and the guy doesnt even have to come out of the base to defend. Right now you can just have a window next to the door that is being hit (just have windows all around the base in the outer shell) and keep peaking with chaos volley up. they will never oneshot you through the wall and after 3 rotations the golem is down.
What I expect happened to you is that you have been raiding new players or just early game server. In the beginning I was managing to raid fine but now that people have figured out how easy it is to kill a golem there is no way to siege anymore
The golem needs to be an npc which you defend
im so confused when i summoned a siege golem i did 0 damage to this other guys castle??
You can only deal castle damage during a server’s siege window.
How do you get to 84? I have what I thought was endgame gear and I am 81.
Kill the three unique bosses and craft the final necklace! Also during a bloodmoon you can get to 85 maybe even 86 with brute blood 😜
I don’t know if the golem is broken or weak because it changes in efficacy depending on whether it’s mid or end game, solo or 4 man servers, against good players or weak, whether the person is there or not.
There are just so many variables. I think in it’s current state, the siege system doesn’t work and isn’t really fun. There need to be more options to toggle for private servers to make it work for that server. That or create a different system that people can use instead.
Perfectly written.
How are you level 84? Is it from the shards?
Brute blood gives +1 or I think +2 during blood moon, sets give ilvl bonuses, the final quest necklace brings you up around lvl 85!
You said you can fly and place the golem in the middle....but I thought you couldn't carry resources or golems in bat form. Is that a server setting you guys have?
Golems are such fucking trash, anyone whining about it HAD to be offline when they got raided because any competent defender can EASILY tear down a golem. Even if you die defeating the golem it doesn’t matter because if you can’t break first wall or door you can’t be sieged at all.
can you transport a siege golem on a bat ? i though you couldnt, also not all the bases have that amount of walls, its basically some specific spots, you prolly need some kind of help doing it, you cant do it solo for sure, its impossible, prolly the tier system would be good, but i think in a full loot pvp if he got by himself for that long enough to make all those walls, well it becomes crazy hard fast
raid solo near impossible, yea probably and thats not a bad thing. because soloing every boss is a hard fuckin grind
Golem is fine its incredibly OP lol you can get it so early without much effort at all if anything it should cost MORE to make. Pretty sure within the 2-3 days of gameplay you could make one in a fresh start server to grief if you wanted
who cares if you can get it if the other guys kill it instantly? lol, I guess if you're max level and get it and go raid a bunch of gear level 60s or something but even then what you get from their bases won't even give you enough mats to make another golem.
@@austinhiner8695 thinking about in the context of this video lol its very strong with literally zero limits/drawbacks in duo / squad servers. The golem is extremely cheap to make after you get to around 60 ilvl you can literally farm the scourgestone needed to craft in like 10-15 mins manually or even have servants setup to farm the scourgestone overnight which is easily over 60+ scourgestone. Doesn't matter if i cant make another golem from raiding someone because you literally don't need to because of how CHEAP it is to make.
from what hes saying it seems like its more of how easy they die... it takes a while to take down a wall from what it looks like and that player ran up and killed it in under 10 seconds.... 10 seconds??? really?? thats a little too quick imo i feel like they should buff the health or defense of them so they dont die near as quick but nerf how much it takes to actually make them
you can do it in 6 hours if youre lucky now
@@drizzdrazz in the context of the video yes its very underwhelming. The point is that its very OP because its cheap af to make with how effective it can be in duo/squad servers there's no limits on spawning it.
Lets say you're getting sieged on in a 4 man server they could spawn 2 golems at once and you have to kill them both sure they die quickly but what's stopping them from chain spawning golems beyond the time to takes to actually spawn one
Siege golems are not supposed to be Op. It’s supposed to be hard to raid someones castle. You have to be able to defend your stuff :P imagine if they made it a 100% chance to raid any castle, not good.
High risk but high reward if they are online :)
hey bro, can you tell me how did you hit level 84? I have literally all the research and knowledge itens and I'm at 82 (With 100% brute blood)
after you kill all 3 bosses you can make another neck
Follow that quest chain through to the end. The quest chain you've had since day one, crafting bone weapons. When you follow it to completion you'll find a new option on the jewel table.
It’s not worth for pvp though imo crit chance is better
What are the health settings the server has on the Golem, seems to be a lot lower than official servers. You should get way more Shield.
They are actually the same. See my 1v3 siege defense video. After I get a real weapon, even an iron axe, I smoke the golem.
The issue is if you arent online, the golem just steam rolls your entire base in less than five minutes, THAT needs to change.
if you aren't online, nothing will change you getting offlined
So after you broke 1 wall you can use weapon damage, but for how long?
It's in a state of vulnerability for around 5 minutes, maybe a couple longer.
why did you lose half of our hp when guy destroyed your golem?
Your vampire health is connected to golem health so you need to get out of golem before it dies or loses its shields!
@@SoBadStrange wow thats fkd up mechanics
Wait he said he could fly with bat form and drop golem between castles.Is that a thing? You can carry golem while in bat form?
No he’s either mistaken or on a private server that’s settings are different than official
@@shaneo8432 this^ my fault it was really late lol. You can’t fly with resources.
The thing is they are supper cheap. Our sever had 5 go up in 1 day. It was pretty funny tho
this is a terrible example
Exactly, you put the golem in the worst spot(against best geared player, best castle spot) to say it's bad??? Vs using golem against average or even offline player....
"terrible example" ok so you have to offline people I guess, the point is it's not viable once you get iron weapons. You can kill a golem so fast regardless of context lmao.
Don't bring 4clan server balance into solo arguments, he's pointing out that by nerfing it for other rulesets it becomes even more useless for the growing competitive scene.
dude thats so rough yeah that base spot is crazy strong idk what they could do to balance it to be honest
People ask for the golem to be nerfed for a reason its pretty cheap to make and is one of the most powerfull raiding tools in any game compare it to rust and u see its far superior to rockets u just dont have to be bad... u went to siege with 50% blood without any kind of buff preparation and ran away like a chicken the moment he showed up... U expect to take a lategame base like this? U can make siege bases with followers to aid u in battle, as attacker u should always be buffed u got all time in the world to prepare and its probably not a bad idea to just prepare 2 summons asap if u know its gonna be a fight also on full loot servers the summon time and announcement of the golem should probably be editted cause greedy 3rd parties will probably always come
How would you have your servants help?
I think they should do a second strongest golem for late game, because for the medium game phase it is still broken
Agree they need to make a second golem, if you used that same golem against a player than just started he would get destroyed. Yea for endgame its weak but the golem is wayyy too easy to make right now just make a second stronger one.
it looks like it just takes insane amounts of damage, died very quickly. maybe give it higher damage reduction against certain types of damage. it definitely shouldnt die before it can knock down one wall. that seems weak af.
How r u 84 im only 81 does killing last bosses give gear lvl?
It unlocks the recipe for the final trinket in the game, The Blood Key, which gives you another 3 ilvl
Wait wait wait you saying a teir 1(2 )item needs to be buffed because it doesn't scale well for teir 3+ combat....... do u hear yourself dude. Your saying a T1(2) item needs to be buffed because it loses to T3+. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
up golem cost and buff bombs
Seige golem just starts the seige. Drop large bombs after ..... the golems trash even early game we killed 2 day one of our server
You still need to break at least one wall with the golem!
On what ever server u are playing, the golems hp is set 2 Very Low, u need 2 up it 2 medium or higher! Very low hp for golem 500 ez pez kill Medium 1500 hp a bit harder, Very high 2500 hp rly hard 2 kill
This was the default setting actually. Gear lvl 72+ really annihilates the golems!
I think it’s disingenuous to talk about the golems effectiveness in a 4v4 or pvp sense when the main complaint people have is that 1 golem shouldn’t be able to solo clear a base if the opponent is afk
Pretty sure it has a timer on it, so it naturally decays.
This makes no sense. Regardless you are offline if they want to raid you then they are going to have an easy time. Making them make another golem isnt going to change an outcome of an offline raid. For instance in rust people with pickaxe your base to get in. They dont care if it takes 5 mins or an hour they will still do it. Lol plus what none of you are considering too is counter raiders. Lmao.
can you use 2 golems at the same time?
If you have two players to control them then yes!
Ppl just wait to u going to work or just disconnect to raid u, if they buff it it will be more easy, btw i understand the problem of a 4v4 raid, the defenders + servants vs 4 players and golem its not really balanced
people=casual noobs that dont care about anything exept rubbing dirt in someones face
you didn't even fight the guy when he came to defend his base and you're saying it's bad but you're just bad at the game, you also can't fly with the siege golem so get your facts straight
Damn
It's a totally different story on servers with clans. Players cannot be expected to all be online during siege hours every day of the week. In clan v clan this siege doesn't play out like this. There are players protecting the golem, probably more than one golem, probably more than two. All the thing needs to do is pop one wall. Defense SHOULD be heavily favored. It should not be free to walk into people's castles and take their things. The AI defenses SHOULD be strong enough to pose a real threat when players aren't online. This is a problem most games like this have, that lead to people not playing on PvP servers. If you're not on a pvp server, what's the point of this game? People need to feel their base is fairly secure without needing to monitor it during raid hours 100% of the time. I think you're just frustrated here because you can't 1v1 siege his base and lost your gear.
This. On my server yesterday one dude got offlined by 3 clans that happened to join in and he was cleaned instantly
balancing issues shouldn't be administered by devs. period. you also shouldnt be playing on official servers, period.
devs should be focusing on producing more content which can be balanced out to each server's individual needs and feels.
for example, I do agree that in soloQ the golem health and damage should be probs increased, because golem's attacks are so easily avoidable and you only get one chance to raid - you die you die, your teammate won't clutch it or pick you back up.
Tho in duo,trio,quads - golems as it is right now are in I'd say oktier shape. If your enemies nuke the golem - chances are your teammates can nuke THEM in return as they've wasted all their abilities and ults on golem now.
This whole ordeal also applies to many other things, say for instance research (paper/scrolls/schematics) cost should be reduced on soloq by like 90%, and increased again the more teammates you allow in your server as it's easier to gather these things in larger groups than it is to do solo.
At this point I just play duo with my mate, and never on a 1x server. The complaint I would make is that siege times in most servers are just too long. Someone who has soulshards and bloodmoon gear can end up raiding everyone for 5+hours in most servers every evening. That's just way too much time. Give 1-2hours max raid window and you can't atleast physically raid eeeveryone in one evening.
Remove the golem all together actually garbage mechanic for offline raiding
Golem is brokenly overpowered and should be removed/disabled from the game until it's fixed. Raiding is completely and utterly broken atm. 1 golem can wipe any base.
You demonstrated poorly, and also chose the absolute single most optimal spot for a base on the entire map, and you very obviously died on purpose (or you're actually that garbage at raiding).