Spanish Civil War's Influence on Soviet Tank Design

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  • The Soviets drew various conclusions from their involvement in the Spanish Civil War based on "their" (indirect) inexperience with the T-26 sent to Spain. A lot of the design ideas were drawn.
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    Samsonov, Peter: Designing the T-34: Genesis of the Revolutionary Soviet Tank. Gallantry: 2019.
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  • @rgm96x49
    @rgm96x49 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    "Chainsaw tanks"
    Alas, some things were never meant to be...**cries in Imperium**

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bayonet on tank? - Japanese put bayonets on everything else.

    • @DanielWW2
      @DanielWW2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Damn blueberry commies. They don't even fight in melee.

    • @charlesballiet7074
      @charlesballiet7074 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      well clearly its because they believed in the zar and not the emperor. #theemperorprotects

  • @MrPedroleiria
    @MrPedroleiria 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Chainsaw armed BT tank is the most awesome thing I heard on TH-cam.

    • @richardcutts196
      @richardcutts196 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, it will be in the next update for wot. then 2 updates later a gold version for those tanks the regular version wont saw through.

  • @DepressivesBrot
    @DepressivesBrot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Tanks with chainsaws? Praise be the Omnissiah!

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I could see a military use for something like this in running phone lines underground - look up a Ditch Witch.

  • @briankearney5994
    @briankearney5994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great with some morning coffee, I always love to hear you guys nerding out on tanks. I nerd our vicariously through you guys :)

  • @g.55centaurosimp18
    @g.55centaurosimp18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are producing awesome videos on both channels as of late

  • @shooter2055
    @shooter2055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Wonders! --the first notion of a "chainsaw bayonet", now available for AR-15s in the United States. ;-)

    • @user-uq1bq5wq4w
      @user-uq1bq5wq4w 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah because only america cares more about weapons then clean drinking water across its country. welcome to the united states.

    • @CedarHunt
      @CedarHunt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-uq1bq5wq4w Uh.... wut?

    • @user-uq1bq5wq4w
      @user-uq1bq5wq4w 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CedarHunt you don't know? america doesn't have clean drinking water in some states.

    • @CedarHunt
      @CedarHunt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-uq1bq5wq4w Hahaha, sure....

    • @user-uq1bq5wq4w
      @user-uq1bq5wq4w 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CedarHunt look it up! my ex is in florida and she and many others complain about how america in general doesnt care about there water. honestly, look it up. you can learn something. (this isnt meant as a dig at you, just at america as a country)

  • @MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
    @MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized  4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    If you want to check out Peter's book: Designing the T-34: Genesis of the Revolutionary Soviet Tank.
    Check it out on amazon or here: www.mortonsbooks.co.uk/product/view/productCode/15014
    »» TIMESTAMPS ««
    00:24 - T-34 vs. Wikipedia: th-cam.com/video/UhPgw6X8ubE/w-d-xo.html
    00:48 - Spanish Civil War Lessons not learned: th-cam.com/video/sAYXsf_sHBU/w-d-xo.html
    01:26 - British Tanks in the Russian Civil War: th-cam.com/video/zXKM-nPeA7M/w-d-xo.html
    02:19 - T-35: th-cam.com/video/n4nThGg3JZs/w-d-xo.html
    02:48 - Versailles: th-cam.com/video/OSXrFgG2JLk/w-d-xo.html
    04:18 - Stormtrooper Tactics: th-cam.com/video/BNqmA-if-4g/w-d-xo.html
    04:25 - Panzer I: th-cam.com/video/Gp5Q7ZIUiHE/w-d-xo.html
    13:19 - Motti Tactics in the Winter War: th-cam.com/video/yHrndb0oZEc/w-d-xo.html
    13:53 - Panzers in Spain: th-cam.com/video/iCX1Aor3cpg/w-d-xo.html

    • @user-rc6oo6tw9z
      @user-rc6oo6tw9z 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Today 115 years ago was born Alexander Alexandrovich Morozov
      . As the technical lead of the project together with M. I. Koshkin and N. A. Kucherenko headed development of the medium T-34 tank in 1940. During the Great Patriotic War, he was the chief designer of upgrades of the T-34 tank, which was recognized as the best tank of the period of the Second World War.

  • @pittsburghmcconnell
    @pittsburghmcconnell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    You hear that?
    Yeah.Just another pesky samurai on the tank...no worries

  • @whitephosphorus15
    @whitephosphorus15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The soviets did not copy the MP-44 or STG-44. The AK operates entirely differently, and only looks like a copy to a layman from the outside.

    • @AlexanderSeven
      @AlexanderSeven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes, too many myths in this interview unfortunately.

    • @mikebaker2436
      @mikebaker2436 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, if you suddenly put a diagram of a STG-44 and an AK-47 in front of all WWII hobbiests, I bet 99% of them would be guessing which one was which.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The STG-44 certainly inspired the AK-47 - the Russians were in no doubt that a large magazine select fire rifle with an intermediate cartridge was needed.

    • @johnnyz1781
      @johnnyz1781 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@allangibson8494 they already had the SKS and had adopted the PPS-43 as a dominant infantry weapon.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnnyz1781 And the Germans started field trials in 1942 with the MKb-42. The StG changed names every six months (MKb-42(H) => MP-43 => MP-44 => StG-44 => StG-45 - all are variants of the same gun). The STG-44 was merely the definitive volume production variant and is still in use today (a vast pile were shipped to Syria by France in the late 1940's).
      The StG brought the concept of a large capacity magazine & select fire to a weapon with a MUCH longer range than a submachine gun and more portability than the squad machine guns all in a cheap pressed steel package.
      The addition of InfraRed night sights added to it reputation.

  • @jorgschimmer8213
    @jorgschimmer8213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    How peter pronounce "Großtraktor"😅

  • @jonathanbaago5312
    @jonathanbaago5312 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff, thanks

  • @StarlightEater
    @StarlightEater 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How fascinating!

  • @richardcutts196
    @richardcutts196 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    No shame in copying and improving what works. Why reinvent the wheel?

    • @johnd2058
      @johnd2058 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      *SCREAMING ABOUT CULTURAL APPROPRIATION INTENSIFIES*

    • @johnnyz1781
      @johnnyz1781 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great Chinese Proverb.

    • @johnd2058
      @johnd2058 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnnyz1781 *ATTRIBUTING EVERY EASTERN SAYING TO CONFUCIUS (CHINA) AND EVERY WESTERN SAYING TO CHURCHILL (UK) INTENSIFIES* th-cam.com/video/Xn95Zm-yY8A/w-d-xo.html

  • @Pulsatyr
    @Pulsatyr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    T-14 Armata has a diamond blade chainsaw for clearing obstacles. In conjunction with it's vertical take-off and landing, super cruise, stealth and invisibility cloak it is more than a match for any western "tank," just ask any Russian.

    • @jameslawrie3807
      @jameslawrie3807 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      After the first battle of Grozny a lot of these requirements were reintroduced. Note that the Bumerang has a high angle gun for just this situation.

    • @digameme4316
      @digameme4316 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh man you hade me in the first time, ngl

    • @dymoster
      @dymoster 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also T-14 has such a great stealth capability so nobody saw it usage at war

  • @patrickcloutier6801
    @patrickcloutier6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many Soviet armored specialists served in the 1st Separate International Tank Regiment. (Page 153, "Mussolini's War in Spain").

  • @user-kl1tb4er7j
    @user-kl1tb4er7j 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    13:51 you should make that into a t-shirt.

  • @BronxBastard730
    @BronxBastard730 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This particular video really should be visualized ... Jiat sayin

  • @craighagenbruch3800
    @craighagenbruch3800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    how could armour piercing be used against mg nests?. my understanding of ap is that, the ap shell penetrates armour of course the calibre of the shell will penetrate roughly about similar amount of armour so how could a mg nest be knocked out would the shells be tampered to a degree that they'd explode (replicate the process of penetrating the armour) and triggering the little fuse?

    • @peka2478
      @peka2478 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mg nests were protected by sand sacks mainly, if I'm not mistaken, and no (reasonable) amount of bullets penetrate that, ap or not

    • @podemosurss8316
      @podemosurss8316 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He said HE shells, that is, explosives.

    • @MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      this was reality not a game. If someone shoots in your direction with a rifle, you will very likely flinch, cower or run. Now if someone shoots a cannon at you, it gets worse and just a "hit" next you with an AP shell is scary as hell.

    • @peka2478
      @peka2478 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@podemosurss8316 if AP shells cannot penetrate sand, neither can HE or APHE?
      (im thinking small calibre, hand-held weapons here.
      My guess is any tank shell can penetrate any mg nest protection)

    • @craighagenbruch3800
      @craighagenbruch3800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im WELL aware this was real life not a game im just buffled with my limited knowledge of armour piercing and really so when if no was injured or killed just the near miss was enoigh to make them think twice huh neat

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The old Soviet favorite song, "Tri Tankista" (from the hit film "Traktorista") gives a nod to the "Samurai" of the Kalkin River region. th-cam.com/video/0QOO3UWU98U/w-d-xo.html You can hear the word yourself, whether or not tih govoreesh po Rooski.

    • @WildBillCox13
      @WildBillCox13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That movie is worth a watch, btw. It's extremely well made, well written, and well acted. And 1st rate pro-soviet propaganda. By the standards of propaganda, it is a perfect example of genre and probably the best ever made.

  • @oscarsusan3834
    @oscarsusan3834 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can see the samurai fighting the rear mounted chainsaw.Humours not the Russians strong suit.Gold comedy gold.

  • @patrickcloutier6801
    @patrickcloutier6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the Spanish Civil War, Soviet tanks were the biggest dogs on the block. However, they tended to be deployed as platoon or company-size units, so while they achieved impressive local results, they were never really used to their full potential. Many were destroyed or captured by infantry in the towns, where their large size made it difficult to maneuver on ancient, narrow streets. Italian tankettes, on the other hand, could navigate in those confined spaces. Interestingly, after the Spanish Civil War, some Soviet military specialists thought that the Italians were more forward-thinking in their armored doctrine.
    See "Mussolini's War in Spain", p. 234.

    • @MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Since you are likely the author of the book, what is the exact source on this?

    • @patrickcloutier6801
      @patrickcloutier6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized The source is Nikolay Platoshkin's "Grazhdanskaya Voyna v Ispanii" (Civil War in Spain). Olma Press, 2005, page 407. www.livelib.ru/book/1000488342-grazhdanskaya-vojna-v-ispanii-19361939-nikolaj-platoshkin

    • @patrickcloutier6801
      @patrickcloutier6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For day-to-day combat operations, as seen from the Russian and Spanish Popular Front viewpoint, "Voyna v Ispanii. Khronika Boevikh Deystviy 1936-1939" (War in Spain. A Chronicle of Combat Actions 1936-1939) is quite excellent. www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/28800926/

    • @TankArchives
      @TankArchives 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@patrickcloutier6801 I have a different edition of "Grazhdanskaya Voyna v Ispanii" so the page numbers don't match up, but can you tell me which chapter these comments are in? I can find no mention of superior mobility of Italian tankettes or praise of Italian tank doctrine. In fact the book states exactly the opposite: Italian tank doctrine worked well only against troops that had already been beaten, fighting against functional defenses resulted in poor performance.

    • @patrickcloutier6801
      @patrickcloutier6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TankArchives They are in "Глава 14. Воскрешение из Мертвих. Апрель-ноябрь 1938 г." - are you sure you have the same author? There are a number of books in Russian, by the title of "Гражданская война в Испании".

  • @hicknopunk
    @hicknopunk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wasn't it a bad WoT patch that caused the fighting girlfriend t-34 to be developed because of the Indofinnish war?

  • @TheIfifi
    @TheIfifi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If stalin insults your mother.... You don't object...

    • @AlexanderSeven
      @AlexanderSeven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Especially if it's just another "evil Stalin" myth.

    • @TankArchives
      @TankArchives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@AlexanderSeven that was actually my mistake, Stalin did not mention the source's mother, but the sentiment was similar: tankarchives.blogspot.com/2015/08/harsh-language.html

    • @TheIfifi
      @TheIfifi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TankArchives Well, I think there are a few people I would let insult my mother, Stalin would be there... Alongside Genghis Khan, Reinhard Heydrich, Che Guevara, and some other people I'd... Well I would let them insult my mother.

    • @jeffreyroot7346
      @jeffreyroot7346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheIfifi Or you plot quietly for years until the time for fruition of your cold wrath presents itself and they and everything they love is left in smoking ruins Mwah Ha Ha Hahaaa!

    • @AlexanderSeven
      @AlexanderSeven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @ "GULAG" was nothing more than administration building in Moscow, you physically cannot send millions there. You need to check your sources.

  • @kingslushie1018
    @kingslushie1018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So what if The Soviet Union never joined the Spanish civil War? Would it have been easier for Germany to steamroll over them?

    • @jurisprudens
      @jurisprudens 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Germany would've never learned from the war experience, either.

    • @kingslushie1018
      @kingslushie1018 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      jurisprudens hmm...fair enough.

  • @VikingTeddy
    @VikingTeddy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Peters voice is like a chainsaw.

  • @neglesaks
    @neglesaks 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, Stalin made "your mom" jokes?

  • @abc68130
    @abc68130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Erster!