I'm from Brazil, my name's Jose Carlos, I'm a judo Sensei, shodan, thanks for the video, I'm already know the technique but is always good see a master doing the thing, one day I'll pay a visit to the great Kodokan Institute of fraternity, arigato Sensei.
Thanks for the video, for the sake of completeness, I would be interested to see the "new" video of this technique also for the yoko-sutemi variant, I already have the one from the last edition but I stress that for completeness it would be great to be able to find it also in the 2021 version. Thanks again
Difference between hikikomi-gaeshi and sumi-gaeshi: uke executing the technique from a defensive grappling posture (sumi) or while holding uke's arm (hikikomi.) Also, as the other person said, gripping back vs. belt (with one exception according to the kodokan, because it's never just that easy!)
Some techniques have another names but is the same, like Morote Seoi Nague, I have listen 2 other names I'm my time studying, only Seoi Nague and Kata Eri Seoi Nague, but is the same technique, some Sensei say the Kata Eri Seoi Nague is grappling in the opposite side of the wagui, but I have see some Senseis explaining like the Morote Seoi Nague, Nice question Brother, living and learning, Oss.
They are not the same techniques.Obitori geshi is a Te Waza movement.Hikikomi gaeshi is a Sutemi Waza.In the last revision on April 2017,Obitori geshi was included by the Kodokan in the official list of 68 Nage Waza techiques.
Most folks call this obi-tori-gaeshi, and the similar throw with the ippon-seoi-nage grip as hikikomi-gaeshi. Kodokan changed the definition on obi-tori-gaeshi to be a te-waza and it's no longer performed as a self sacrifice throw. They have a video about it on this same channel.
Both techniques came from the koryu (the old jiujitsu schools). They were both included in the 1895 gokyo but Hikikomi gaeshi was removed in the 1920 revision. The kodokan decided to keep this technique and others under Habukareta waza (preserved techniques). If you ignore the historical context, you can say one is the variation of the other but historically one did not come out of the other. In the beginning of these videos, they show how these techniques were practiced in the koryu: th-cam.com/video/kod5QHdmE7E/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/tCHmSSpVvdU/w-d-xo.html
@ but that would not necessarily be enough to change the name of the technique. I can throw uchimata with two hands on the sleeve and it remains UCHIMATA . But Geepu has clarified my question.
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My Judo days are long past but I still enjoy watching experts performing perfect technique. Thank you for making this video.
I had no idea, that these throws have different names. I thought all of them are called sumi gaeshi
昔よく使ってたな😂相手が前のめりになってたらこれやるとよく決まる
Gracias. Thank you. From Puerto Rico
I'm from Brazil, my name's Jose Carlos, I'm a judo Sensei, shodan, thanks for the video, I'm already know the technique but is always good see a master doing the thing, one day I'll pay a visit to the great Kodokan Institute of fraternity, arigato Sensei.
Me too, Sensei! We´ll do it!
Thanks for the video, for the sake of completeness, I would be interested to see the "new" video of this technique also for the yoko-sutemi variant, I already have the one from the last edition but I stress that for completeness it would be great to be able to find it also in the 2021 version. Thanks again
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良い です
Eu amo fazer judo
this is my weapon against wrestlers that shoot a single leg
But they wouldn't necessarily be wearing a belt.
@@ashutoshsingh3204well, just adjust it for nogi and you are golden
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 obrigado!
The initial setup is just like obi tori gaeshi.
Same setup and entry, correct
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引込返しは、なかなかでない技やなー
Isnt this the same as sumi gaeshi?
place to grab the belt or back
Oss
Is there a variation for taller opponent?🙏🏽
I thought this was Sumi gaeshi?
place to grab the belt or back
Difference between hikikomi-gaeshi and sumi-gaeshi: uke executing the technique from a defensive grappling posture (sumi) or while holding uke's arm (hikikomi.) Also, as the other person said, gripping back vs. belt (with one exception according to the kodokan, because it's never just that easy!)
赤帯！
i learned this as obi-tori-gaeshi.
if there is a difference can someone please explain
It is just an unofficial name for this technique.
Some techniques have another names but is the same, like Morote Seoi Nague, I have listen 2 other names I'm my time studying, only Seoi Nague and Kata Eri Seoi Nague, but is the same technique, some Sensei say the Kata Eri Seoi Nague is grappling in the opposite side of the wagui, but I have see some Senseis explaining like the Morote Seoi Nague, Nice question Brother, living and learning, Oss.
same but this is how the kodokan defines it.
Here is what they consider obi tori gaeshi:
th-cam.com/video/bpc82SrunUU/w-d-xo.html
They are not the same techniques.Obitori geshi is a Te Waza movement.Hikikomi gaeshi is a Sutemi Waza.In the last revision on April 2017,Obitori geshi was included by the Kodokan in the official list of 68 Nage Waza techiques.
Most folks call this obi-tori-gaeshi, and the similar throw with the ippon-seoi-nage grip as hikikomi-gaeshi. Kodokan changed the definition on obi-tori-gaeshi to be a te-waza and it's no longer performed as a self sacrifice throw. They have a video about it on this same channel.
Why hikikomi gaeshi is not just considered a variation of sumi gaeshi?
Because Hikikomi use another Kumi-kata.
Both techniques came from the koryu (the old jiujitsu schools). They were both included in the 1895 gokyo but Hikikomi gaeshi was removed in the 1920 revision. The kodokan decided to keep this technique and others under Habukareta waza (preserved techniques). If you ignore the historical context, you can say one is the variation of the other but historically one did not come out of the other.
In the beginning of these videos, they show how these techniques were practiced in the koryu:
th-cam.com/video/kod5QHdmE7E/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/tCHmSSpVvdU/w-d-xo.html
@ but that would not necessarily be enough to change the name of the technique.
I can throw uchimata with two hands on the sleeve and it remains UCHIMATA
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But Geepu has clarified my question.
@@geepu-t9b Thanks, Geepu.
Oss