I genuinely think so many Ken players would drop him with those jinrai changes. Not like it's the biggest nerf, but Ken players would cry from the rooftops at not having a safe pressure ender to buffer into.
For Jamie, maybe they can do something like G? G can do some of his power up moves by doing EX move at 0 level, so a Jamie that can breakdance / Dive Kick or Command Grab by spending Drive Meter could be a good idea or completely broken ? I don't known.
One of the best ideas I heard in a while and it's still too much for Jamie looool. But don't feel bad none of us know what should be done with Jamie. We're just waiting for the day Capcom accepts to make him Top tier.
@@Araxhii Here's another idea ; not do what you just said. Turning almost any existing character into a joke character for no good reason just results in the character's fans/players becoming baffled or alienated and rarely anything is ever gained from doing such a thing
As a Jamie main, I wish getting him to 4 drinks was actually worth all the oki/neutral sacrifice. He should become like Jealous Rage A.B.A. and becomes an absolute offense monster if he's gonna lose the powerup at Round Start anyway. OR...for every Drink he has he gets a half-bar of Super at the next Round Start, so at least getting all those drinks in don't go completely to waste.
The tweet said everyone is getting changes, but my bet is the characters we think aren't really needing changes are getting adjustments to their Modern controls.
I'm hoping they just revert the scaling on 5HK back to season 1 - selfishly I'm much better at executing that one than the 2HP combo. Getting the fastest walk back again would be nice too.
What are you talking about? Chun has been the target of numerous dumb nerfs since SF4. It's not even that she's nerfed, but the things that made her good in the past are gone now and have been stolen by buttface Cammy particularly her walkspeed and her Hazanshu's ability to counter projectiles, apply pressure and use in combos are now in Cammy's Quick Spin Knuckle.
Im gonna choose to believe someone at capcom randomly saw the patch prediction video, and was like "oh damn we havent done a patch in a while" and it led to this december patch
The timing of your earlier video was so on point, that I thought the next day I missed the announcement of the patch, and that your video was actually because of the news lmao. Both fantastic videos as well!
Hey Kimberly main here. I don't want her to have an invincible ex Tatsu because as of right now she could convert it into LV2 and a disgusting mid screen +4 strike/throw afterwards. That is way too much. Instead i would love if they would walk further down the 234LP road. It was buffed so it can be used as a footsies tool and gives a followup with good spacing but it still has horrible scaling. Cancelling into LV3 almost seems like a waste. 234LP should reward you more if you place it well, whiff punish with it or use it as a trade tech followup. Maybe Capcom can dial back some of that scaling
I've wanted EX Drink since the beginning but I don't want or need two levels. I just want a hit of Armor so i can parry a sonic boom while drinking....
Yooo they could give him a sassy animation where he like sticks his finger out going "one sec I'm drinking" too to show it's armored I would love that so much actually
With Gief’s mp target combo the thing still whiffs on second hit at unreasonable ranges if it becomes more unsafe the consistency on hit to get a full confirm needs to be buffed AGAIN to make it confirm more consistently rather than really guessing if it’s gonna connect or not
For Ryu this is definitely a selfish useless buff but I wish they would make air EX Tatsu launch higher so he can land a level 1 after it. Currently,no matter what you do after a big combo using that as an ender the enemy launches too far and hits the ground too fast for it to connect so as a combo junkie I'd like more fun for him
4:02 Maybe if they use Broskis idea, they already have the drink animation from the drink follow up after the HK -> back HK -> long delay punch target combo at LVL 4 drink. It's only 2 frames longer than regular drink, but also moves you back. I think they can either keep it like that but maybe make it 60 frames (right now it's 52) just to justify the fact that once that activates, it's like a mini command backlash that give jamie two drinks. And even when he is at LVL 4 drink, will literally be a 1 drive gauge bar command backdash, as he will probably recover one bar from the two he spent on the EX. Edit: TBH idk cause theres a lot layers on this move. Just an example, a 60 FRAME BACKDASH sounds usless, keep in mind Ed's backdash from charged flicker is only 31 frames so imagine double that. Again it is 2 drinks but idk, just buff Jamie 🙏
Grappler history. If only the other two got the same treatment as her. It's such a shame too because she's such a unique and cool character but the way the devs keep neglecting her is very questionable and feels biased
Man that AKI change is sorely needed. The hitbox for her HP Lash is so wonky it's insane, not even on jump-ins either. Sometimes it'll shave Giefs chest hair and he'll be fine but then on some Devil's Reverse entries it'll hit Bison on the head in a different timeline. That is if it hits him at all.
agree with the juri nerf, but something I was thinking about for her (and by extension Lily) is if you PC her light fuha (or any fuha but this is mainly a lk fuha nerf) then she should lose the stock. Juri will just do LK fuha over and over and even if they get hit by like a 4 frame they don’t care, they are still rewarded with a stock even if they mispace. Ig it’d be a more a system mechanic thing cause I think if you can get punish countered on a stock mechanic (juri fuha and lily M/H wind stock vs Ryu denjin and Jamie drink leaving them counter hit state) then they should lose the stock. Ps, congrats on getting in capcom cup my goat!! edit: also as Gief player id take the 5MP tc change even tho being -6 is really funny but it would still need to be fixed cause it still drops the 2nd and 3rd hits at certain spacing and it’s still infuriating. Also make tundra storming a fuha stop her from getting a stock cause that’s be deserved
Jamie can’t frame trap with his rekka. You can literally react to the recovery animation of the first hit and still punish because you can’t delay the second hit any meaningful amount.
FYI Ken TC into first hit Medium Jinrai is a currently safejump, so making the move -5 would low key be a tangible nerf depending on how they did it. To make Jinrai -5, they’d either have to: a.) Take away 2f recovery and kill the safejump (Can still manually time it) b.) Add 2f blockstun and kill the frame trap (Can still manually delay it) c.) Add 2f blockstun but make the low followup 1-2f slower and kill some Heavy Jinrai loops d.) Add 2f blockstun but change the cancel timing so Medium Jinrai is cancelable 1-2f later and possibly kill the EX Jinrai -> Medium Jinrai loop (I’m not actually sure how tight the heavy followup is after EX Jinrai but iirc you currently can’t delay the followup for that route so widening the gap might make it stop working) Of these, b is probably the most sensible since delaying the low followup is an important skill for Ken’s mixup game anyway, but low key adding exactly 1f blockstun and making Medium Jinrai -6 instead of -5 might actually be better
Dhalsim needs float hurtbox fixed to match the visuals. Currently you can be floating well above the guy's head, and you can get hit by di, and so many things that don't visually connect.
I've been saying that Cammy should have 9500! She is like Akuma with the glass cannon aspect but doesnt have a projectile so 9500 was my thought process to balance her
The Blanka change going against system mechanics fits the character honestly. He is the only character with a divekick who can do it from a back jump. Lily used to be able to but they considered that a bug and removed it, so it's only Blanka that can break the rules.
For Chun I think to add more to the level 1,add more hitstun so she is able to get closer for Oki,but nerf damage scaling by increasing it for her level 2 to compensate
For kimberly i think restoring can between rounds would be my pick fs. Giving her more opportunities to use can outside the corner would make her gameplan more interesting and mid screen set ups usable.
To remove throw loops, all they need to do is give you 4f wakeup throw protection. It's very unlikely that it would happen in this patch, but if they don't want to go through and regulate frames and distances of every character, this would be the lazy way.
So my opinion on the patch is as follows and I’ll go alphabetically. AKI: Fine as is but she might get buffed. Akuma: I think he’s too popular of a character and too respected by Capcom but even if he does get nerfed to a degree he’ll still be doing massive damage, sorry guys. Blanka: Maybe slight buff. Cammy: She’s a pain in the ass to fight against but my one complaint is that her Cannon Strike can come out real fast to where my eyes can’t process it. She might get slightly nerfed but not enough to make a difference. Chun Li: Largely untouched. Dee Jay: Untouched Dhalsim: Untouched Ed: He’s probably getting nerfed significantly in regard to meter gain after Level 2. E Honda: Big Buff. Guile: Slight Nerf but not enough to make a difference. Jamie: He’s getting some buffs. JP: Maybe untouched but who knows. Juri: I’m largely spiteful towards this character because I don’t like her playstyle at all and she’s easily my most hated matchup by far. I would love to see Capcom break her legs but realistically she’s not getting touched. Ken: Too popular of a character so I expect he’ll survive this one. Kimberly: Also a nightmarish matchup for me but I could see her getting buffed. Lily: I would like to see Condor Spire be punishable on block because that move always messes me up but not enough people play the character so I could see her staying the same. Luke: He’s getting buffed. Manon: I would love to see her get buffed and I think she will get buffed. Marisa: She needs to get buffed and I think she will. M. Bison: I don’t think he’s getting nerfed but I do think he’s getting some buffs with him being the new Giant Attack fight. I may be wrong but if not God help us all. Rashid: He might stay the same but I’m not sure. Ryu: He’s getting some buffs not enough to make a difference though. I wish he wasn’t so Drive Gauge heavy. Terry: Guy just came out so I could see him remaining untouched or getting buffed. He’s fun as a character though. Zangief: I would love to see Gief get some buffs because he’s fun to watch at a high level but realistically I think he’s going to be unchanged this go around. That was hard to think about. Balancing a fighting game is hard guys. The realistic thing is with most of the roster being in Capcom Cup in a few months a lot of these characters might have some slight adjustments but not enough to make a noticeable difference.
Every jamie player has a different idea for him lol, but we all agree something would be nice. Ex drink is a pretty common idea, but longer animation would make it useless. Normal drink after a knockdown is still not super safe, especially against fast DRs; longer animation just means it’s never getting used. My dream is that dive kick and bakkai are not locked behind drinks but the ex versions are. That or the moves get improved someway with the drinks. There’s no reason for these to be locked behind drinks when Cammy has better versions of those moves with no resources.
May I also suggest one system change that during combos EX specials force the same drive cooldown that DRC does so you can't do 2 ex in a combo and then go into oki with like 3.5 bars still online.
I would love if Manon got a new ender to her target combos that could push the enemy back. It would be a nice 50/50 that could give her more opportunities to set up for the command throw.
24:25 The change I would do (in context to this Oki setup) would be to give him less frame advantage or to push him out further from the corner Either so you don't get meaty charged Flicker or you can it just won't reach I do agree that that setup needs to go though
This video is very entertaining and easy to listen to. I like listening to your videos while I’m on a walk or something, do you think maybe next time you could read out all of the proposed changes as you type them? Thanks for making all these great videos!
Why are you telling if I'm not sub Cammy's got buffed? It's obvious he is going to be nerfed (this or the next patch) Reducing health it's very bad design for character. Then why's not lowered a Zangief hp on 1000?
4:30 His level two should allow him to hold two drink stocks after use at max after the install is done. Or some sort of adjustment with the level two it would help with his pacing throughout the rounds. Idk
The only thing that makes me worried about the rashid change is that its possible that he doesnt get anything after m spike > lvl2 if they neutral get up. An increase in speed might mean you can't push them out of the way to get the strike throw mix. But maybe it can be worked around idk
For Jaimie they need to give him 2 things to make him relevant: - Remove the damage nerf on level 0 and 1 ( start at 100% and starts getting buffed at level 3) - Let him keep some of his drinks next round ( 4 drinks becomes 2 in the next round, 2 and 3 drinks become 1 and other cases he starts at 0 because he sobered up in the meantime)
I appreciate that Chun buff, I always forget how much less it does compared to the average level 1. I figured it's because it has some extra utility as an anti-air.
I want lily st LP or cr LP to combo into LK spire without wind, she has to combo into DP or EX spire if she doesn't have wind right now off a light hit, and it doesnt work consistently depending on spacing, if the enemy is crouching, if you do 3 hits etc lights into a knockdown shouldn't be a metered or hard to gauge if itll hit option IMO, i think every character can do this pretty trivially except her and maybe zangief(?)
I think for Ed, only Medium Psycho Flicker should get the DI nerf With regular throw spacing in corner, Light Flicker does not connect. As well as this, you have to meaty Flicker *insanely* precisely in order for it to beat DI on wakeup. *And* with the existence of PP, or waiting to EX DP after Ed drags you in, his options on wakeup, while still strong, are fairly limited as is. With only nerfing Medium, he has to be a lot riskier from extended ranges, which would add to the guessing games and actually be more fun to play with. I definitely don't disagree with the punish, but hurting his light and ex psycho flicker in neutral and making him even weaker to DI than he already is would be awful to play with. Honestly I'd rather get rid of the Dream Combo than have to deal with randomly Drive Impacting players being rewarded with a third to even half of my health just for trying to play in my range. The amount of times I lose games from whiffing a DP or my opponent using DI against my high commitment hit confirms is infuriating.
Both those games are great! I promise not everyone thinks they aren't "real" fighting games but the overall SF community is great and the game is super fun when you get into it, especially the drive system.
I'm not expecting anything huge like throw loops being removed or any character to be destroyed. As a Marisa players, only thing I want for her is for scutum to not leave her in a mix up when she lands it. Let her get a light confirm on hit even if they scale it.
As a Manon player I feel like your ed change would be huge. Getting in against a flicker spamming ed is pain. They’d at least have to represent the back sway cancel
13:53 I've been playing Deejay more lately and the only change I'd want for him this patch is less pushback on 2LK. He's very weak to people just walking out of his pressure right now since 5LP>2LK>2LP doesn't work without drive rush and he doesn't have a cancellable 2MK
I think another change for akuma that i think it fair is his hashogeki should be recognizable the version he used in other way that is not the startup like jinrai kicks where u can tell by audio ques by yeah that is also fine
I understand the fact that throw loops exist because if they not, wake up parry will be to strong, especially for casuals when are the most concern from Capcom. And balancing the parry is the way to go for remove throw loops, but they ALREADY DID THIS with the nerf to parry recovery and throwable range. Chun li for example, have a real throw loop if the opponent wake up parry because of the increase on recovery and range box of the parry, so i dont understand why they dont remove this already.
As a Chun player, a buff I’ve been wanting is to give OD hazanshu a 2 frame faster startup so that 4hp will naturally combo into it. This is because right now OD hazanshu is pretty useless unless you’re using it for fireballs, but even then it’s not that good. Then again, I’m not really sure if this would be too strong or if she really needs it cause she isn’t that bad right now. Capcom will probably end up doing something like letting the second part of OD legs to cancel into lvl 3 however.
to get rid of throw loops, its very easy, KOF has been doing it for many years, that is wake up chars to gain a few frames of throw inv. i suppose capcom can make that normal throws only, command throws still works
Tbh, I'd rather have less pushback on Manon's lp, than being able to do counterhit into medium. Realistically the dream buff is a 6-frame medium, which is the best of both worlds, and a consistently good punish to drive reversal, but I'll legit just take the pushback buff if I couldn't be greedy lol.
And as predicted, Cammy got basically her best neutral button nerfed in exactly the same way Karin's was, instantly eliminating Punk as a threat, by design. The only real surprise here is that they did this at the beginning of the year, rather than waiting until two days before Capcom Cup to nerf Cammy.
Kimberly - Oh God. I hate this change, but you also got a point. The amount of SA1 I bait is ridiculous. I think this would only increase if it was "cheaper". Ken - I really like this change. It's not an outright nerf, but it gives you more way to interact with his offense. That's kinda what they did with Bison though. Reducing pushback makes it so that he can't create spacing traps as easy as he could before, but it doesn't make the special move any less stupid. Marisa - Changing Gladius like that kinda neuters Scutum though. Scutum having an extra point of armor isn't something so important that would still make it the preferred reversal. I would say that a better change for her is making charged jHP and jHK cause tumbling state on hit. It's still too small, but at least makes previous change make sense. Ed - I agree, but how come more Eds doesn't use this? EW, Leshar, Momochi, Tachikawa, Brine, they all just dash and go for a throw. This option is bonkers, but for some reason no one uses it... Bison - Still top tier after this, but good changes honestly. I think he also needs scaling on sHP. That thing is way too safe and almost always guarantees a bomb plant on any hit.
regarding kimberly, if she doesn't get invul reversal then they should remove Rashid's invul DP for consistency. They're both mix up heavy character but then kimberly has lower dmg, no invul DP, no utility level 2, makes no sense imo
@@disonalvan Literally the point of having different characters in a videogame is to provide variety. They dont need to nerf everyone to have the same bad tools they need to give different characters a variety of unique strengths.
I hope they go with the Akuma nerf Broski suggested. It's annoying how easy he can get out of the corner w/ Demon Flip, it's basically a meterless version of Ken's season 1 EX air tatsu which had like no recovery
Keep your eyes peeled for buffs to (checks Japanese CPT qualifiers) Akuma and Ken, nerfs to all the legitimate threats like Cammy, Aki, Blanka, Ed and Zangief (sorry Itazan), and no improvements to any low tier characters that somehow made it to CC anyway, even if they legitimately need them, like Manon.
Shoutout to the guy in chat who said Manon's change should be that she's now from Belgium. Thats the buff she needs
That's a nerf
@@Aggrofool With this change, if Manon wants to say 90, she says "Nonante" instead of that ridiculous "Quatre-vingt-dix". That's objectively a buff
@@Hurtdeer Small brain take
Nah France has more rond-points than Belgium, so Manon belongs there.
@@PokAmakute typical francophone rudeness. Actually thats another buff. Now Manon is less rude
4:36 'bigger thighs? oh that's a good suggestion, im taking that one' what a cut lmao
As a 6 Deejay main, and knowing him in 4 - that's fair. The Deejay glow up was real, gotta stay grounded.
Big facts, my brodi.
I genuinely think so many Ken players would drop him with those jinrai changes. Not like it's the biggest nerf, but Ken players would cry from the rooftops at not having a safe pressure ender to buffer into.
ken players allergic to having risk to go along with their reward
For Jamie, maybe they can do something like G?
G can do some of his power up moves by doing EX move at 0 level, so a Jamie that can breakdance / Dive Kick or Command Grab by spending Drive Meter could be a good idea or completely broken ? I don't known.
One of the best ideas I heard in a while and it's still too much for Jamie looool. But don't feel bad none of us know what should be done with Jamie. We're just waiting for the day Capcom accepts to make him Top tier.
That’d be sick as heck, and I think that would make him at least decent.
@@numa2k147I can think of one.... Add in the twins, and let Jamie be the Dan character. Stupid but idk what else to do...
@@Araxhii Here's another idea ; not do what you just said. Turning almost any existing character into a joke character for no good reason just results in the character's fans/players becoming baffled or alienated and rarely anything is ever gained from doing such a thing
As a Jamie main, I wish getting him to 4 drinks was actually worth all the oki/neutral sacrifice. He should become like Jealous Rage A.B.A. and becomes an absolute offense monster if he's gonna lose the powerup at Round Start anyway.
OR...for every Drink he has he gets a half-bar of Super at the next Round Start, so at least getting all those drinks in don't go completely to waste.
The tweet said everyone is getting changes, but my bet is the characters we think aren't really needing changes are getting adjustments to their Modern controls.
Probably, that, target combos or certain EX moves that currently serve no purpose
Being a Chun Main feels good. She is never at a bad spot and never in danger of getting nuked either.
I'm hoping they just revert the scaling on 5HK back to season 1 - selfishly I'm much better at executing that one than the 2HP combo.
Getting the fastest walk back again would be nice too.
Guile and Cammy too
@@animegeorge2718juri
I just wished they fixed her supers dropping on hit from tip range, and Tensho Kicks being really inconsistent.
What are you talking about? Chun has been the target of numerous dumb nerfs since SF4. It's not even that she's nerfed, but the things that made her good in the past are gone now and have been stolen by buttface Cammy particularly her walkspeed and her Hazanshu's ability to counter projectiles, apply pressure and use in combos are now in Cammy's Quick Spin Knuckle.
Im gonna choose to believe someone at capcom randomly saw the patch prediction video, and was like "oh damn we havent done a patch in a while" and it led to this december patch
That comment about making Kimberly’s reversal being a nerf was just world-class shade
They gonna break gief knees
why is there a Translate to English option for your comment?
@@Aggrofool if you just pressed it you’d find out
@@AggrofoolGeif in Luxembourgish
The Ryu change is funny because you and Ryu have almost the same hair style :)
Omg your in the ryu discord lol
@ That is a state secret. Operatives are on their way to your location.
The timing of your earlier video was so on point, that I thought the next day I missed the announcement of the patch, and that your video was actually because of the news lmao. Both fantastic videos as well!
Hey Kimberly main here. I don't want her to have an invincible ex Tatsu because as of right now she could convert it into LV2 and a disgusting mid screen +4 strike/throw afterwards. That is way too much.
Instead i would love if they would walk further down the 234LP road. It was buffed so it can be used as a footsies tool and gives a followup with good spacing but it still has horrible scaling. Cancelling into LV3 almost seems like a waste.
234LP should reward you more if you place it well, whiff punish with it or use it as a trade tech followup. Maybe Capcom can dial back some of that scaling
Nah man, Ryu gotta have his Outfit 3 be free.
How dare Capcom give him drip and be charged 15 dollars
I think it's still on sale now.Around five bucks, if you can get it.
Its 8, but rn all outfit 3 is $5 until dec 6 i believe
Honestly, I don't like the sandals lol. I always hate sandals in a fit for whatever reason lol
@@mickeybat5816based take! Sandals are gross 🤮
I've wanted EX Drink since the beginning but I don't want or need two levels. I just want a hit of Armor so i can parry a sonic boom while drinking....
Yooo they could give him a sassy animation where he like sticks his finger out going "one sec I'm drinking" too to show it's armored
I would love that so much actually
Lol so pretty much the drinking meme in Archer? XD@@Poison_Paradise
With Gief’s mp target combo the thing still whiffs on second hit at unreasonable ranges if it becomes more unsafe the consistency on hit to get a full confirm needs to be buffed AGAIN to make it confirm more consistently rather than really guessing if it’s gonna connect or not
It's funny how flicker in sfv and sf6 are both op despite them being different moves
It’s weird cuz most Ed players went with v skill 2 at the end of SFV’s life. I really don’t get it
Aki-buffed
Juri- nerfed
Totally unbiased broski take
Fortnite Ryu 2 soon. Even more buffs
Nerf Gief by replacing him with Abigail. No trailer, no announcement, Gief is gone and Abigail suddenly shows up
That's a killer buff. I'm all for it
All you hear is a deep vroom vroom when you pick gief
I fucking dreamed this today
That would give me a good laugh 🤣
Vrooom vrooom
For Ryu this is definitely a selfish useless buff but I wish they would make air EX Tatsu launch higher so he can land a level 1 after it. Currently,no matter what you do after a big combo using that as an ender the enemy launches too far and hits the ground too fast for it to connect so as a combo junkie I'd like more fun for him
He could do that in SF 4
if you are 3/4ths of the way to the corner ex tatsu actually links into level 1
@@rockyino99Yep and Combo trials show I think but either way can be done On both M and C (M can go all Manual for the same damage to)
4:02 Maybe if they use Broskis idea, they already have the drink animation from the drink follow up after the HK -> back HK -> long delay punch target combo at LVL 4 drink. It's only 2 frames longer than regular drink, but also moves you back. I think they can either keep it like that but maybe make it 60 frames (right now it's 52) just to justify the fact that once that activates, it's like a mini command backlash that give jamie two drinks. And even when he is at LVL 4 drink, will literally be a 1 drive gauge bar command backdash, as he will probably recover one bar from the two he spent on the EX.
Edit: TBH idk cause theres a lot layers on this move. Just an example, a 60 FRAME BACKDASH sounds usless, keep in mind Ed's backdash from charged flicker is only 31 frames so imagine double that. Again it is 2 drinks but idk, just buff Jamie 🙏
Manon will go untouched in any meaningful way.
Grappler history. If only the other two got the same treatment as her. It's such a shame too because she's such a unique and cool character but the way the devs keep neglecting her is very questionable and feels biased
You wish. She will be ignored for 5 years and then receive a major nerf in the last balance update when they announce Street Fighter 7.
Being a grappler means people want you nerfed
Makes sense. She has some tournament success, and Capcom doesn't want another overbuffed Gief situation.
@@butterfreedom5357 this is the troof right here lmao.
Man that AKI change is sorely needed. The hitbox for her HP Lash is so wonky it's insane, not even on jump-ins either. Sometimes it'll shave Giefs chest hair and he'll be fine but then on some Devil's Reverse entries it'll hit Bison on the head in a different timeline. That is if it hits him at all.
agree with the juri nerf, but something I was thinking about for her (and by extension Lily) is if you PC her light fuha (or any fuha but this is mainly a lk fuha nerf) then she should lose the stock. Juri will just do LK fuha over and over and even if they get hit by like a 4 frame they don’t care, they are still rewarded with a stock even if they mispace. Ig it’d be a more a system mechanic thing cause I think if you can get punish countered on a stock mechanic (juri fuha and lily M/H wind stock vs Ryu denjin and Jamie drink leaving them counter hit state) then they should lose the stock.
Ps, congrats on getting in capcom cup my goat!!
edit: also as Gief player id take the 5MP tc change even tho being -6 is really funny but it would still need to be fixed cause it still drops the 2nd and 3rd hits at certain spacing and it’s still infuriating. Also make tundra storming a fuha stop her from getting a stock cause that’s be deserved
Jamie can’t frame trap with his rekka. You can literally react to the recovery animation of the first hit and still punish because you can’t delay the second hit any meaningful amount.
That buff to Terry would be SIGNIFICANT
FYI Ken TC into first hit Medium Jinrai is a currently safejump, so making the move -5 would low key be a tangible nerf depending on how they did it. To make Jinrai -5, they’d either have to:
a.) Take away 2f recovery and kill the safejump (Can still manually time it)
b.) Add 2f blockstun and kill the frame trap (Can still manually delay it)
c.) Add 2f blockstun but make the low followup 1-2f slower and kill some Heavy Jinrai loops
d.) Add 2f blockstun but change the cancel timing so Medium Jinrai is cancelable 1-2f later and possibly kill the EX Jinrai -> Medium Jinrai loop (I’m not actually sure how tight the heavy followup is after EX Jinrai but iirc you currently can’t delay the followup for that route so widening the gap might make it stop working)
Of these, b is probably the most sensible since delaying the low followup is an important skill for Ken’s mixup game anyway, but low key adding exactly 1f blockstun and making Medium Jinrai -6 instead of -5 might actually be better
Dhalsim needs float hurtbox fixed to match the visuals. Currently you can be floating well above the guy's head, and you can get hit by di, and so many things that don't visually connect.
This probably a way bigger update than we getting
I've been saying that Cammy should have 9500! She is like Akuma with the glass cannon aspect but doesnt have a projectile so 9500 was my thought process to balance her
The Blanka change going against system mechanics fits the character honestly. He is the only character with a divekick who can do it from a back jump. Lily used to be able to but they considered that a bug and removed it, so it's only Blanka that can break the rules.
For Chun I think to add more to the level 1,add more hitstun so she is able to get closer for Oki,but nerf damage scaling by increasing it for her level 2 to compensate
lmfao 14:38 I literally said out loud while watching "light counter hit into a medium"... 1 second before you did... amazing
Big boy with big brains 😮
For kimberly i think restoring can between rounds would be my pick fs.
Giving her more opportunities to use can outside the corner would make her gameplan more interesting and mid screen set ups usable.
still waiting for fei wong and mokoto next season!
Broski being an undead unluck fan? Based
The only change I want for deejay is for ex sway medium to have the same bounce as sway medium pc
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To remove throw loops, all they need to do is give you 4f wakeup throw protection. It's very unlikely that it would happen in this patch, but if they don't want to go through and regulate frames and distances of every character, this would be the lazy way.
3f, not 4f. 3f lets you mash 4f buttons on wakeup to beat throw loops, 4f makes meaty throws always whiff even outside of throw loop situations
So my opinion on the patch is as follows and I’ll go alphabetically.
AKI: Fine as is but she might get buffed.
Akuma: I think he’s too popular of a character and too respected by Capcom but even if he does get nerfed to a degree he’ll still be doing massive damage, sorry guys.
Blanka: Maybe slight buff.
Cammy: She’s a pain in the ass to fight against but my one complaint is that her Cannon Strike can come out real fast to where my eyes can’t process it. She might get slightly nerfed but not enough to make a difference.
Chun Li: Largely untouched.
Dee Jay: Untouched
Dhalsim: Untouched
Ed: He’s probably getting nerfed significantly in regard to meter gain after Level 2.
E Honda: Big Buff.
Guile: Slight Nerf but not enough to make a difference.
Jamie: He’s getting some buffs.
JP: Maybe untouched but who knows.
Juri: I’m largely spiteful towards this character because I don’t like her playstyle at all and she’s easily my most hated matchup by far. I would love to see Capcom break her legs but realistically she’s not getting touched.
Ken: Too popular of a character so I expect he’ll survive this one.
Kimberly: Also a nightmarish matchup for me but I could see her getting buffed.
Lily: I would like to see Condor Spire be punishable on block because that move always messes me up but not enough people play the character so I could see her staying the same.
Luke: He’s getting buffed.
Manon: I would love to see her get buffed and I think she will get buffed.
Marisa: She needs to get buffed and I think she will.
M. Bison: I don’t think he’s getting nerfed but I do think he’s getting some buffs with him being the new Giant Attack fight. I may be wrong but if not God help us all.
Rashid: He might stay the same but I’m not sure.
Ryu: He’s getting some buffs not enough to make a difference though. I wish he wasn’t so Drive Gauge heavy.
Terry: Guy just came out so I could see him remaining untouched or getting buffed. He’s fun as a character though.
Zangief: I would love to see Gief get some buffs because he’s fun to watch at a high level but realistically I think he’s going to be unchanged this go around.
That was hard to think about. Balancing a fighting game is hard guys.
The realistic thing is with most of the roster being in Capcom Cup in a few months a lot of these characters might have some slight adjustments but not enough to make a noticeable difference.
Every jamie player has a different idea for him lol, but we all agree something would be nice. Ex drink is a pretty common idea, but longer animation would make it useless. Normal drink after a knockdown is still not super safe, especially against fast DRs; longer animation just means it’s never getting used.
My dream is that dive kick and bakkai are not locked behind drinks but the ex versions are. That or the moves get improved someway with the drinks. There’s no reason for these to be locked behind drinks when Cammy has better versions of those moves with no resources.
I'd rather Jaime's versions just be better than Cammy's
The only change I need is a new hairstyle for ed.
To put it politely - YOOOOO AN UNDEAD UNLUCK COLLAB!
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May I also suggest one system change that during combos EX specials force the same drive cooldown that DRC does so you can't do 2 ex in a combo and then go into oki with like 3.5 bars still online.
As a Marisa main I expect nothing and will probably still be disappointed
The akuma change would be a slight buff too on h.fist oki. He would never have to worry about side switching and putting himself in the corner.
Manon lvl3 should give a medal
I would love if Manon got a new ender to her target combos that could push the enemy back. It would be a nice 50/50 that could give her more opportunities to set up for the command throw.
I wonder, how hard would it be to modify the install timer to show how many hits things like Rashid and Ed Level 2 have left
29:58 The pushback change on OD psycho crusher would actually help Bison's burn out pressure lol
24:25
The change I would do (in context to this Oki setup) would be to give him less frame advantage or to push him out further from the corner
Either so you don't get meaty charged Flicker or you can it just won't reach
I do agree that that setup needs to go though
Also while the opponent is in Burnout, it still works
I think it should be gone period
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@Broski Are you from New Zealand? What are the fighting animals in your intro called again? Also, great vid and great patch ideas.
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This video is very entertaining and easy to listen to. I like listening to your videos while I’m on a walk or something, do you think maybe next time you could read out all of the proposed changes as you type them? Thanks for making all these great videos!
Why are you telling if I'm not sub Cammy's got buffed? It's obvious he is going to be nerfed (this or the next patch)
Reducing health it's very bad design for character. Then why's not lowered a Zangief hp on 1000?
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Chun-Li's 1700 of Grounded SA 1 damage sounds-a like a SP+Heavy input from M without the Manual input way which can also be done on-a M
4:30 His level two should allow him to hold two drink stocks after use at max after the install is done. Or some sort of adjustment with the level two it would help with his pacing throughout the rounds. Idk
can we talk about light privledge? i really think some characters lights are infinitely better than others
Random but the recent Broski vs Walker set was one of the illest sets ive seen this year
The only thing that makes me worried about the rashid change is that its possible that he doesnt get anything after m spike > lvl2 if they neutral get up. An increase in speed might mean you can't push them out of the way to get the strike throw mix. But maybe it can be worked around idk
Good, the less options rashid gets the better
For Jaimie they need to give him 2 things to make him relevant:
- Remove the damage nerf on level 0 and 1 ( start at 100% and starts getting buffed at level 3)
- Let him keep some of his drinks next round ( 4 drinks becomes 2 in the next round, 2 and 3 drinks become 1 and other cases he starts at 0 because he sobered up in the meantime)
I don't like the first change. Yeah it's a buff, but it encourages Jamie to drink less. I'd rather unique characters lean into their unique mechanics
ouuff can't wait for Ryus hairstyle improvments
I wish they would give Chun a little bit of movement control after her air stomps like she did in 3rd Strike.
I appreciate that Chun buff, I always forget how much less it does compared to the average level 1.
I figured it's because it has some extra utility as an anti-air.
I want lily st LP or cr LP to combo into LK spire without wind, she has to combo into DP or EX spire if she doesn't have wind right now off a light hit, and it doesnt work consistently depending on spacing, if the enemy is crouching, if you do 3 hits etc
lights into a knockdown shouldn't be a metered or hard to gauge if itll hit option IMO, i think every character can do this pretty trivially except her and maybe zangief(?)
I think for Ed, only Medium Psycho Flicker should get the DI nerf
With regular throw spacing in corner, Light Flicker does not connect. As well as this, you have to meaty Flicker *insanely* precisely in order for it to beat DI on wakeup. *And* with the existence of PP, or waiting to EX DP after Ed drags you in, his options on wakeup, while still strong, are fairly limited as is.
With only nerfing Medium, he has to be a lot riskier from extended ranges, which would add to the guessing games and actually be more fun to play with.
I definitely don't disagree with the punish, but hurting his light and ex psycho flicker in neutral and making him even weaker to DI than he already is would be awful to play with. Honestly I'd rather get rid of the Dream Combo than have to deal with randomly Drive Impacting players being rewarded with a third to even half of my health just for trying to play in my range. The amount of times I lose games from whiffing a DP or my opponent using DI against my high commitment hit confirms is infuriating.
Why am i watching this at 7:00 am? I play rivals and gg not sf.
Eventually you'll pick up a real fighting game. This is a good entry point
You should play SF though
Both those games are great! I promise not everyone thinks they aren't "real" fighting games but the overall SF community is great and the game is super fun when you get into it, especially the drive system.
@@Dhampire1976Anime fighters are real. Stfu
@@Dhampire1976I am so sad that I have to share a community with obnoxious gatekeepers
just becuz capcom is likely gonn nerf zangief doesnt mean u hav to???
I'm not expecting anything huge like throw loops being removed or any character to be destroyed. As a Marisa players, only thing I want for her is for scutum to not leave her in a mix up when she lands it. Let her get a light confirm on hit even if they scale it.
As a Manon player I feel like your ed change would be huge. Getting in against a flicker spamming ed is pain. They’d at least have to represent the back sway cancel
It would be cool if Jaime could spend drinks to buff his moves.
Like he can spend a drink at lvl 1 to get the max drink version of a move.
13:53 I've been playing Deejay more lately and the only change I'd want for him this patch is less pushback on 2LK. He's very weak to people just walking out of his pressure right now since 5LP>2LK>2LP doesn't work without drive rush and he doesn't have a cancellable 2MK
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I think another change for akuma that i think it fair is his hashogeki should be recognizable the version he used in other way that is not the startup like jinrai kicks where u can tell by audio ques by yeah that is also fine
I understand the fact that throw loops exist because if they not, wake up parry will be to strong, especially for casuals when are the most concern from Capcom.
And balancing the parry is the way to go for remove throw loops, but they ALREADY DID THIS with the nerf to parry recovery and throwable range.
Chun li for example, have a real throw loop if the opponent wake up parry because of the increase on recovery and range box of the parry, so i dont understand why they dont remove this already.
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Chun - EX taunt, creates rolling juggle on punish counter
so hairstyle improves meads a slight lowering of his hurt box, like two ticks
As a Chun player, a buff I’ve been wanting is to give OD hazanshu a 2 frame faster startup so that 4hp will naturally combo into it. This is because right now OD hazanshu is pretty useless unless you’re using it for fireballs, but even then it’s not that good. Then again, I’m not really sure if this would be too strong or if she really needs it cause she isn’t that bad right now. Capcom will probably end up doing something like letting the second part of OD legs to cancel into lvl 3 however.
My suggested DeeJay change is for his default costume to have the MAXIMUM pants as well
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Hope for Cammy downfall get the Luke treatment of put more Scaling in her CMP-MK cancels in Drive Rush.
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@@Dhampire1976it's facts tho
I don't care what nerfs she gets, I just wanna see her less often. She's so damn annoying. Genuinely the only character I've never had fun fighting
@@_ADiSSY And already have 6 Cammys in CCXI (3 Mains and 3 Secondaries)
to get rid of throw loops, its very easy, KOF has been doing it for many years, that is wake up chars to gain a few frames of throw inv. i suppose capcom can make that normal throws only, command throws still works
Tbh, I'd rather have less pushback on Manon's lp, than being able to do counterhit into medium. Realistically the dream buff is a 6-frame medium, which is the best of both worlds, and a consistently good punish to drive reversal, but I'll legit just take the pushback buff if I couldn't be greedy lol.
so basically you have a plug.
jokes on you i mained deejay since ssf4 lmao
Wow Broski actually knows John Capcom. He's made it
Congrats to Broski for beating Endingwalker and going to CPT🎉🎉
And as predicted, Cammy got basically her best neutral button nerfed in exactly the same way Karin's was, instantly eliminating Punk as a threat, by design. The only real surprise here is that they did this at the beginning of the year, rather than waiting until two days before Capcom Cup to nerf Cammy.
Kimberly - Oh God. I hate this change, but you also got a point. The amount of SA1 I bait is ridiculous. I think this would only increase if it was "cheaper".
Ken - I really like this change. It's not an outright nerf, but it gives you more way to interact with his offense. That's kinda what they did with Bison though. Reducing pushback makes it so that he can't create spacing traps as easy as he could before, but it doesn't make the special move any less stupid.
Marisa - Changing Gladius like that kinda neuters Scutum though. Scutum having an extra point of armor isn't something so important that would still make it the preferred reversal. I would say that a better change for her is making charged jHP and jHK cause tumbling state on hit. It's still too small, but at least makes previous change make sense.
Ed - I agree, but how come more Eds doesn't use this? EW, Leshar, Momochi, Tachikawa, Brine, they all just dash and go for a throw. This option is bonkers, but for some reason no one uses it...
Bison - Still top tier after this, but good changes honestly. I think he also needs scaling on sHP. That thing is way too safe and almost always guarantees a bomb plant on any hit.
Bison’s sHP does has starter scaling, but not combo scaling.
regarding kimberly, if she doesn't get invul reversal then they should remove Rashid's invul DP for consistency. They're both mix up heavy character but then kimberly has lower dmg, no invul DP, no utility level 2, makes no sense imo
@@disonalvan Literally just got out of a Rashid match and came back to this comment I saw earlier. Dude needs to get a grip.
If you have trouble against Kim you got a reaction problem. You probably hate Drive Rush too even tho its easy to stop.
@@disonalvan Literally the point of having different characters in a videogame is to provide variety. They dont need to nerf everyone to have the same bad tools they need to give different characters a variety of unique strengths.
The thing about John Capcom is, he buffs Cammy whether you do what he says or not.
I hope they go with the Akuma nerf Broski suggested. It's annoying how easy he can get out of the corner w/ Demon Flip, it's basically a meterless version of Ken's season 1 EX air tatsu which had like no recovery
Broski should start giving us some numbers to play the lottery.
Keep your eyes peeled for buffs to (checks Japanese CPT qualifiers) Akuma and Ken, nerfs to all the legitimate threats like Cammy, Aki, Blanka, Ed and Zangief (sorry Itazan), and no improvements to any low tier characters that somehow made it to CC anyway, even if they legitimately need them, like Manon.
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