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It’s so interesting that you brought up alchemy, it’s a great metaphor but I don’t think it’s exactly right. Taking some that can be risky and using to propel you forward is engineering and art.
I always tell young guys to start weight lifting if they aren't already. The sedentary life will just depress you and eventually kill you if you don't do something about it. Weight lifting is one of the best things you can do for your mental health.
Lifting weights is fine. But I believe that young men need to embrace physical activity in as many venues as possible. Look at the older men who are in shape and have never been to a gym. They cut grass, shovel snow, chop wood, walk everywhere, stand more, and carry more stuff. Young men yes lift weights but make moving a lifestyle. Stop sitting and eating crap.
For me it is running. Finally took it up at 31, best thing i've ever done for myself. I recently started doing 10-20 pushups a day as well to help build some muscle.
Larry Cullen said it best. "A man must be strong enough to be gentle." Larry Cullen is a Marine and his brother, Peter Cullen, used him as inspiration for the voice of Optimus Prime.
Best advice I ever got was from my best friends father, who was far more masculine than my own. One day when we were like 11 my friend ran to his mom after his father told him no about something, 10 minutes later he has a sitdown with us and said when we got older "NO ONE IS GOING TO COME SAVE YOU", your mother wont always be there for you. And he was damn right
Not everytime a man has to lead. Sometimes a man has to follow & learn to gain the necessary knowledge to master his ability to lead. Also, sometimes it's best to pretend & lay low to allow another person 'to lead' 👀. I'll say the ultimate value for a man is to focus on building his wisdom & self-confidence
BJJ really really helped me. Learning humility, building skill and applying the strength you build in the gym has done wonders for my self-development. Learning to surf has also been cool. Both hobbies cause me to constantly challenge myself and face my fears which keeps me grounded.
oh wow! 5 minutes is a lot of active listening. this is ridiculous, these kids think that's a lot of time. he is a good listener, but maybe people like you, can't stand still for more than 30 seconds
i'm 41 and i've been struggling with shyness, insecurity, relationships with women and lack of purpose in life. My job (physio) really helped me feel useful for other people. Something i'm working on: - Take care of my body (strenght training) - find hobbies, learn new stuff - Don't be afraid of failures. We all grow and learn from failures - Stop listening to toxic feminists blaming all men. Thanks for such contenents.
The strength in what you posted is that a lot of men have the exact same issues. What makes a man more powerful is mastering his own self (anger, emotions, passions) & finding gratitude...
Good job buddy! Identify you weakness in the first step and striving for change is the second. Weightlifting is a greet place to start and looks like you are already doing that. A great way to overcome your shyness is give a sincere compliment to everyone you come across. Grocery clerks, people in elevators, someone in line at the grocery store. Everyone likes a compliment and it’s a great way to get over initial encounter shyness.
0:28 Respect yourself, focus on yourself. Make people work for your attention and don't be so easy. Protect your peace and happiness at all costs and observe things.
There’s this one dude I know and he’s really good with cars. One of the most masculine dudes I know and he doesn’t even act like a hard ass he’s just a reliable ass dude
Having an older sister who was a habitual liar allowed me to identify dishonest people as an adult. The pain she inflicted on others and herself drove me to be brutally honest bc it struck me as a way to avoid causing so many problems. With age i learned to be more diplomatic. But i've always had that quality within me and reinforced by my sister's example. Sometimes a negative example can have a very positive influence.
I relate to the "brutally honest" quality and I also tend to be myself everywhere I go. I made that decision as a child, when I saw the two sides of 'WELL RESPECTED" individuals in the community behind closed doors; they were vulgar and ordinary thugs when no one was watching, then they were decent and humble in the public arena....I remember telling myself never to be like that...
Growing up, I went from being homeless to becoming a Neurologist (my dream career) - today, I have naturally unlimited respect. Like love, you need to respect yourself first - and it should always be earned and not given automatically. Today, I see a war being waged on masculinity - for without - we would have no normally functioning society.
Something we really need to acknowledge is that we have a shortage of good people. You don't produce bad daughters without bad fathers and bad mothers. In turn, we've produced an equally abhorrent generation of young men. Demand is high for good people, but it feels impossible because the supply is extremely low.
@@CorinthianIvory An illusion of human behavior; no offense. A good community is produced by good micro-behaviors. When the world starts to upend; it's because the average person is making daily decisions that make it worse. Popularity and influence have a much smaller effect on civilization than you think. You have to manifest that behavior yourself and others have to mirror it.
I have followed the samurai bushido code as my set of guiding principles for 13yrs. now. To me, masculinity isn't about expressing power or wealth. It isn't about how many women you can pull. It's about being merciful, benevolent, honest, having a high sense of self-control, and having a sense of honor. And not necessarily practicing these traits for others, but for yourself.
Mercy is a toy for the self-aggrandizing. Honesty is just lies you're convinced of. Self-control and self delusion often mix in equal measure. Honor is a crude crutch. Systems are like roads. You're not supposed to live on a road, you're supposed to travel it.
I don’t disagree at all, whatsoever. I’m interested how that can apply to, strictly, men and how it it differentiates from women. Aren’t they also able to do those things? If so, what makes men and women different in this context if we can all do those things (re: masculinity)
We don't have to redefine anything. People understood just fine what positive masculinity was before feminism existed. Look at the characters in the LOTR as an example.
The advice to young men is that society (especially culture and education) DOES NOT have your best interest in mind. Don't trust their advice. It is meant to make the world better for other people, not you.
Good comment. In my day, college didn’t mean you’d leave it with this mindset that we see now. The devaluation of the importance of fathers has been a disaster.
The sooner you understand that most people will either want you to do something to benefit them or society or a company, and not because it'll help you, the better. I've had too many 'friends' at work who ghosted me as soon as I left for me to have a "we're brothers in arms" attitude at work. That boss who is motivating you to be your best usually only wants your best while you are at work.
The word you're looking for around 5:00 is 'refinement', in the sense of converting ore to metal. It's multiple stages of washing or burning away contaminants to concentrate the valuable part.
The fact that there's so much content online and so much dialogue around "masculinity" as an "issue" today just tells you how horribly off things are in society. Like, really!? We've come apart so much that this is a subject that needs to be discussed? Wow that's pathetic! Love the work of this channel though! Glad the conversations are at least happening.
This conversation isn’t happening in other countries outside of Britain and America for the most part. So that should tell you something as well. America and Britain has the most amount of grifters and pseudo intellectuals trying to make money off of the mental health issues of the youth and general economic issues.
The way you described transforming aggression and competitiveness into positive energy resonates with the fundamental attribution error. I’ve seen clients who, when faced with their own aggressive tendencies, assumed they were simply “bad” people, instead of realizing it was how they were channeling their energy that mattered. Once we worked on redirecting that aggression toward personal growth and success, they began thriving. Your focus on using discipline and channeling masculine energy for good is exactly the kind of advice young men need to redefine their path. This video was truly inspiring!
We’ve abandoned traditions and practices that used to provide an outlet to channel youthful male energy into something positive. It’s no wonder so many young men are feeling directionless today.
Literally crossed my mind. I read that "toxic masculinity" was introduced to define the behaviour of men prisoner when they started to feel aggression. There's absolutely nothing toxic about masculinity and people should stop saying that.
That women are especially compassionate is a myth. They just tend to be more agreeable, conformist and go with what they view as the mainstream. «It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers.» ― George Orwell, 1984
@@kc6810 You missed the point. And the point is, women are not special in any way. In some regards they are even less trustwothy and honest and more reckless then most men. And yes, it's because of evolution. I don't even blame them. I still like women - thats also evolution. But there is no need to put them on a pedestal. That's reserved for women who have proven their worth in a relationship.
Watching this mesmerizing video dredges up painful memories of the recent dissolution of my 4 year relationship. The departure of my beloved, the one I adore deeply, has left me in a perpetual state of longing. Despite my tireless attempts at reconciliation, I find myself mired in frustration, unable to shake the persistent thoughts of her. Despite my efforts to move forward, I'm compelled to share my inner turmoil and the overwhelming sense of missing her here .
Letting go of someone you love deeply presents a formidable challenge. I faced a comparable ordeal when my 6 year relationship ended. Refusing to succumb to despair, I relentlessly pursued avenues to reconcile with him. Ultimately, I sought solace and guidance from a spiritual counselor, whose intervention proved instrumental in restoring our connection.
@@WoodnetRonnieBe wary of online solicitation. I will point out one thing Ronnie, your emptiness is the amount of fill up you need from YOU. Just think how long this ex partner has been trying to do this for you. Exhausting.
Thank you for these voices of wisdom. I know children raised around toxic "masculinity" and they need these lessons. Just because dad was a bully doesn't mean his sons must be afraid of their innate masculinity.
There's a book called casanova optimization of attraction, and it talks from body language and conversaton starters to dark mind tricks and flirting through texts, it's the real deal
The absolute lack of a "rite of passage" for young men is what is contributing to today's problems. The tradition not only makes a young man feel entitled to be the man he needs to be but allows all others in his surroundings to know this to be true as well.
One of the biggest aspects to my view of masculinity is being a Gentleman. I don’t care if it’s not en vogue - I won’t abandon it, I believe In it and that’s it
That’s got nothing to do with being masculine or feminine though. Just just called being considerate of others and can exist in both characteristics. People correlate masculinity with romantic traditions but they are not the same
@@averyintelligence Is not having self control a masculine thing. Gentlemen have self control, are respectful of others and self aware, they have principles , they treat women and all people with kindness, they have style and self respect, to name a few of the qualities. What is not masculine about this?
Just remember that there is no success without sacrifice. I learned that from the book called 'Casanovareads: The Path To Success And Love'. Since I read that book I only think about money, fame and success. It addresses every aspect of man's life: relationships, dating life, fashion, grooming, modern masculinity, success... Writer gives you key tips and tricks on how to excel in every area of your life. You will need to put in some hard work of course, but nothing valuable comes easy in this life.
I didn't have a 'father figure' growing up so I spent a lot of time since then looking for data on how to be a good Man. It's nice to have video's such as this to let me know I'm doing alright in this regard. Thank you very much for this.
You ppl are so lost. Listen to you all worshipping the self. I’ll make this real simple for you guys. Get to know Jesus Christ. “The rest will fall into place”
Every man needs to learn to lift weights, learn martial arts, read books, learn how to write, and play an insturment or find an art that is suitable for their own pursuits. Nothing is more profitable and attractive for a man who is passionate about life.
1. Switch off the TV, facebook, the radio, the news media and all forms of mass indoctrination. 2. Read non-fiction 3. Develop 4. Create a plan and execute 5. Think independently 6. Be healthy
For what it's worth, I have not been actively LOOKING FOR sources of "pop culture incorrectly defined 'toxic masculinity'"... and I've not had many negative experiences that have centered around this "hot button topic". Then again, I've curated my online experience to literally block ignorance and block all hateful and spiteful people. Also, (and this part may be quite obvious), I don't watch any "news" or click on any "news websites". It **IS POSSIBLE** to customize your digital environment (and to a lesser extent, your physical one) to remove the ironic toxicity that projects itself into and onto the world and the people around it ❤❤💪💪
One group tells men what they should do. Man up, protect, kill their emotions, provide, live for others. They expect everything but owe men nothing. Second, tell what they can achieve and show what it can be if they don't care and live their lives for themselves to the fullest. I'm struggling to see how the second one is more toxic than the first one.
Selfishness is inherently negative and ultimately unfulfilling. All the, "screw everyone else" and "I'm gonna get mine" slogans sound good and all, but all of it means nothing when you're 60 years old with no kids or grandkids, no legacy and no one who even cares if you wake up tomorrow.
@@jonsnowight9510 I agree. But that's the same for selflessness. We need a middle ground, or men are nothing more than slaves. We can't afford to endorse abusive behavior. Men bowing their heads when society spits on them will only push that spiral of abuse further.
Self love is where it must all start. “Love thy neighbor as you live thyself” - what’s the standard against which you measure your love for others? Love for yourself. To seek God is to know love accept understand and develop the highest character in…yourself.
Spiritually, masculine energy is simply energy that is to be EXPRESSED outward into the world. Well-adjusted humans (male, female, other) are a harmonious combination of BOTH masculine + feminine energy. Pedestalizing one over the other is counterproductive. We need BOTH of these energies to live successful and fulfilled lives. The imbalance is what's toxic. The use of any energy in low vibration is what's toxic. Think I might do a video sometime in the future further articulating what masculine energy is and how we might use it productively in our lives. Sounds like a wonderful series/conversation.
This is so awesomeee. I have been waiting for an episode with Greene since it was mentioned somewhere he had to cancel and had to be postponed or something 😭☺️
While i get what Robert is doing herein defining negative qualities of masculinity like boasting and so on, i would say that some of these people (if not a lot of them) are not insecure they are simply more self focused than others who have more empathy. It is possible to be very masculine and also be empathic, but similarly it is quite possible to be very masculine and not at all empathic. Like everything people's charateristics are on spectrums between one end of whatever you are looking at and the other.
I respect this man and his opinions, BUT, I don’t concern myself with treating women well. I treat anyone how they treat me. The days of putting women on a pedestal are over…and they ended it.
I respect women who deserve respect. Who have earned it by actually conducting themselves respectfully. Unfortunately, that describes fewer and fewer women as time goes on. So, no, it's not toxic masculinity to call out modern women on their awful behavior. Society gave them the benefit of the doubt by default, and they chose to do horrible things with it.
Personally, I don't think it's about respecting " everybody," and it was never like that, It's all about respecting yourself, which reflects on others, and then being smart enough to surround yourself with positive people, which includes men and women. And, of course, respect doesn't mean tolerating bullshit.
Saying it’s fewer and fewer women is crazy. It’s like women saying there’s fewer and fewer good men that don’t cheat. Like oh my god can’t both sides see you all are just a mirror of the other?!
@@TheCryGuy77 exactly And look, at the end with age, people tempt to reduce their circle of friends, and this is normal. So it all depends on what you do where you go and what do you prioritise in your life whether it’s the activities you do and what do you attract. If people attract garbage, well … what can I say, maybe there is a garbage side in them 🤷♂️
This is such a bad take. People should be going through life with the innocent 'til proven guilty mindset. Respect everyone until they lose your respect. This applies to everyone and not just women.
Always have your own life is what I learnt the hard way. Be respectful etc of course towards women but always have it in the back of your mind she could suddenly change hers or mess around on you. Seen it happen to family and mates of mine aswell.
@@dbefore7165'real men' don't give a sh*t about being a 'real man'. They constantly strive to be the best version of their true selves and live their best lives without being insecure as to feel the need to put on a 'masculinity' act.
Definitely on the right track. A quiet confidence. Self-control. Empathy. Sadly, too much of the world assumes you're a douche if you project masculinity - mostly bc they are intimidated. So it's important to not live into that stereotype so people figure it out.
Many men equate masculinity and strength with working out and lifting weights. However, I would suggest reading Robert's books, as they convey a different message. True healthy masculinity encompasses much more than merely appearing masculine. And that is what modern men are most deficient in.
@@DK-tj8nm Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I don't know what a man is. And just because you are a man doesn't mean you know either. In fact, if you know how to behave as a proper man, you would not address me that way. My father was a masculine man who took care of his wife and his three daughters, served in the armed forces and worked for my county's government for 22 years, and took us to Africa where he built roads and ran businesses, and he was a heavy weight boxer, and always a proper gentleman who respected women. He encouraged his daughters to be intelligent, strong, and educated, and free to express their opinions. I said nothing wrong and I was not making anything personal. You don't have to agree but you should be respectful and polite.
Problem #1 - There are no positive rolemodels because they are cancelled immediately by screaming harpies at every turn. Lets be honest please. There is no longer and men spaces available for men by men. The Gym - gone, in its place a plausibly deniable spandex thirst trap, you know it, I know it. Workplace banter - in its place, an over policed sterile environment devoid of creativity due to constant feigning offense to wield power over others and character assassination. Video games - in its place, see the most recent "Concord" game. Action movies - in its place, girl bosses. Boys playing - in its place medication because they're considered defective girls. We need to call a spade a spade - we live in an overcorrected gynocentric world in the west where we're constantly told its the opposite. We will never correct this unless we can simply be honest about reality.
I don't really recognize your point of view. Find any blue or pink collar job and see how little power HR or anything has over banter and how offensive people's humor is. Go to a smaller gym instead of a chain and see the same normal people you see at any gym; a few young lads crowded around the bench, some old dude still kicking it and a few women doing leg exercises. I don't recognize the thirst trap at all. Maybe this is very dependent on nation and the culture, but as a Western European dude in his 20s I don't think it's all that bad. Like always there's the good and the bad. I feel like your perspective is grounded in the internet and not in real life. Maybe it is true where you live, and I recognize parts of this if I watch too much TH-cam and Instagram, both seemingly modeled to twist your perception of the world, yet I don't see it as much in real life if you surround yourself with working class people.
Henry Rollins is as close as it will ever get for me personally as a healthy role model to be a man in life. Dude has flaws, sure, but at least he is aware of it.
Where are the good, decent women who will appreciate and reciprocate the behavior and effort of a good man? Maybe I'm way off base, but they seem to be getting rare.
Boasting is neither masculine nor feminine, that's totally out of context. Sad no one can talk about the subject without bowing to women and pretending there is toxic masculinity, when all the toxic qualities they talk about are simply mental issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with masculinity.
If you struggle or you feel something is missing, sign up for martial arts of your preference and do some regular weight lifting. You will find confidence and inner peace. “It’s better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war” Miyamoto Musashi
And you gotta have a good sense of humour , Women love to laugh But to be funny you have to be lucid and spontaneous to be original and inventive , which require confidence & security , which require a good vocabulary... This is what hetro men , in my experience, lack.
If you're "ignoring women completely" you probably do need to work on yourself... There are plenty of good women in the world, and if you're dismissing them based solely on their gender, your twisted sense of masculinity is getting in the way of you making meaningful and valuable connections in your life with real people who are just as complex and worthy of respect as you are.
There is no one more misunderstood than Andrew Tate. I'd rather be Andrew Tate than being a Jordan Peterson or this guy, someone who has struggled his entire life with mental health issues. And yet we must replicate his way of living, he is the guy we must look to. Men obviously need to feel a certain about themselves and the world to be healthy in mind and body. And Andrew Tate is far better to look at than these wimps who act as divine repositories of masculine wisdom but struggling in their own lives. And where were they before Andrew started speaking up for men. Now all of a sudden everyone is a masculinity expert by criticizing Tate when men were there suffering and they were all quiet.
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It’s so interesting that you brought up alchemy, it’s a great metaphor but I don’t think it’s exactly right. Taking some that can be risky and using to propel you forward is engineering and art.
Keep going 💪
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Looking forward to this Pod.
I always tell young guys to start weight lifting if they aren't already. The sedentary life will just depress you and eventually kill you if you don't do something about it. Weight lifting is one of the best things you can do for your mental health.
Bruh 🤜🏻
Or any form of excerise for that matter. I'm a cardio guy, though I cross train.
@Ryan-ul7dy True, whatever gets your heart pumping. I've always been a fan of weights and calisthenics.
Lifting weights is fine. But I believe that young men need to embrace physical activity in as many venues as possible. Look at the older men who are in shape and have never been to a gym. They cut grass, shovel snow, chop wood, walk everywhere, stand more, and carry more stuff. Young men yes lift weights but make moving a lifestyle. Stop sitting and eating crap.
For me it is running. Finally took it up at 31, best thing i've ever done for myself. I recently started doing 10-20 pushups a day as well to help build some muscle.
Larry Cullen said it best. "A man must be strong enough to be gentle." Larry Cullen is a Marine and his brother, Peter Cullen, used him as inspiration for the voice of Optimus Prime.
He is not safe, but he is good.
We need more autobots than this transcepticons
Lol, this is fake.
He literally just copied the voice of John Wayne.
Best advice I ever got was from my best friends father, who was far more masculine than my own. One day when we were like 11 my friend ran to his mom after his father told him no about something, 10 minutes later he has a sitdown with us and said when we got older "NO ONE IS GOING TO COME SAVE YOU", your mother wont always be there for you. And he was damn right
So true
Weight lifting , martial arts , meditation - controlling Yourself - Respecting Yourself - Not allowing anyone who do not follow / respect Your lead
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Not everytime a man has to lead. Sometimes a man has to follow & learn to gain the necessary knowledge to master his ability to lead.
Also, sometimes it's best to pretend & lay low to allow another person 'to lead' 👀.
I'll say the ultimate value for a man is to focus on building his wisdom & self-confidence
@@chiderajames8387facts it not all about getting in the weight room 😂😂😂
BJJ really really helped me. Learning humility, building skill and applying the strength you build in the gym has done wonders for my self-development. Learning to surf has also been cool. Both hobbies cause me to constantly challenge myself and face my fears which keeps me grounded.
Chris is a great listener. Robert talked for 5 minutes with no interruptions, and Chris absorbed it and followed up correctly.
oh wow! 5 minutes is a lot of active listening. this is ridiculous, these kids think that's a lot of time. he is a good listener, but maybe people like you, can't stand still for more than 30 seconds
I would thumbs up your comment but youre at 69. Cant ruin that
@@PhsychoSomatic , Respect, A man has to have standards.
@@moenibus calm down granpa take it easy 😂😂
@@moenibusno need to be aggressive , he just made an observation
i'm 41 and i've been struggling with shyness, insecurity, relationships with women and lack of purpose in life.
My job (physio) really helped me feel useful for other people.
Something i'm working on:
- Take care of my body (strenght training)
- find hobbies, learn new stuff
- Don't be afraid of failures. We all grow and learn from failures
- Stop listening to toxic feminists blaming all men.
Thanks for such contenents.
The strength in what you posted is that a lot of men have the exact same issues. What makes a man more powerful is mastering his own self (anger, emotions, passions) & finding gratitude...
Good job buddy! Identify you weakness in the first step and striving for change is the second. Weightlifting is a greet place to start and looks like you are already doing that. A great way to overcome your shyness is give a sincere compliment to everyone you come across. Grocery clerks, people in elevators, someone in line at the grocery store. Everyone likes a compliment and it’s a great way to get over initial encounter shyness.
Grow up
Awesome comment 83.
0:28 Respect yourself, focus on yourself. Make people work for your attention and don't be so easy. Protect your peace and happiness at all costs and observe things.
There’s this one dude I know and he’s really good with cars. One of the most masculine dudes I know and he doesn’t even act like a hard ass he’s just a reliable ass dude
If you have time search 911 boatlift. This is a prime example of positive masculinity. Men with a righteous purpose are a force of nature.
@synchronis346 we dont care mate
Dominic Toretto?
I would like to say Long walks > 30 min are amazing for your mental health
I've been trying to do that, walking around in the sun and some dumbbell work, I'm doing it but not enough. I'm so lost and bored in life.
@@chokethewoke746 Dont worry you'll get it together king, You're not alone.
@@epikmadman5518 Thanks man.
Having an older sister who was a habitual liar allowed me to identify dishonest people as an adult. The pain she inflicted on others and herself drove me to be brutally honest bc it struck me as a way to avoid causing so many problems. With age i learned to be more diplomatic. But i've always had that quality within me and reinforced by my sister's example. Sometimes a negative example can have a very positive influence.
I relate to the "brutally honest" quality and I also tend to be myself everywhere I go. I made that decision as a child, when I saw the two sides of 'WELL RESPECTED" individuals in the community behind closed doors; they were vulgar and ordinary thugs when no one was watching, then they were decent and humble in the public arena....I remember telling myself never to be like that...
People like Robert Green are my role models. Respect to the man.
Growing up, I went from being homeless to becoming a Neurologist (my dream career) - today, I have naturally unlimited respect. Like love, you need to respect yourself first - and it should always be earned and not given automatically. Today, I see a war being waged on masculinity - for without - we would have no normally functioning society.
Robert Greene is a brilliant author. I’ve read all his books multiple times. He’s a national treasure!
Something we really need to acknowledge is that we have a shortage of good people.
You don't produce bad daughters without bad fathers and bad mothers. In turn, we've produced an equally abhorrent generation of young men.
Demand is high for good people, but it feels impossible because the supply is extremely low.
The good people are choosing not to have children.
Good doesn't mean much if they don't have the position or power to effect change or influence the world around them
@@CorinthianIvory Good people make the world a better place just by being in it.
@@CorinthianIvory An illusion of human behavior; no offense.
A good community is produced by good micro-behaviors. When the world starts to upend; it's because the average person is making daily decisions that make it worse.
Popularity and influence have a much smaller effect on civilization than you think. You have to manifest that behavior yourself and others have to mirror it.
@@vladimirofsvalbard9477 Correct.
I have followed the samurai bushido code as my set of guiding principles for 13yrs. now. To me, masculinity isn't about expressing power or wealth. It isn't about how many women you can pull. It's about being merciful, benevolent, honest, having a high sense of self-control, and having a sense of honor. And not necessarily practicing these traits for others, but for yourself.
Love this. I am also trying to follow a warrior monk path
Christ is the ultimate example, all the rest of these man-mad principles might have some merrit, but falter in the example of God.
Mercy is a toy for the self-aggrandizing. Honesty is just lies you're convinced of. Self-control and self delusion often mix in equal measure. Honor is a crude crutch. Systems are like roads. You're not supposed to live on a road, you're supposed to travel it.
I don’t disagree at all, whatsoever. I’m interested how that can apply to, strictly, men and how it it differentiates from women. Aren’t they also able to do those things? If so, what makes men and women different in this context if we can all do those things (re: masculinity)
@@JoeyM10you’re gay
On the last point: "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." ~Tywin Lannister.
I'm a 25 year old man, my friends and I often appreciate Roberts work in conversation. Great man
Sounds like you’ve got a good crew
We don't have to redefine anything. People understood just fine what positive masculinity was before feminism existed. Look at the characters in the LOTR as an example.
Feminism has existed long before Lord of The Rings, both the movies and the books
@@catfromtrigun I think he is referring to the medieval-esque time period in which LOTR is set.
There is no positive masculinity. Just masculinity. Masculinity is inherently good. It doesn't need an asterisk.
This is a great comment
@@catfromtrigunNot every women’s rights movement = feminism. The contemporary feminist movement is a product of the 60s
The advice to young men is that society (especially culture and education) DOES NOT have your best interest in mind. Don't trust their advice. It is meant to make the world better for other people, not you.
Good comment. In my day, college didn’t mean you’d leave it with this mindset that we see now. The devaluation of the importance of fathers has been a disaster.
This.
I completely agree 100%
The sooner you understand that most people will either want you to do something to benefit them or society or a company, and not because it'll help you, the better.
I've had too many 'friends' at work who ghosted me as soon as I left for me to have a "we're brothers in arms" attitude at work.
That boss who is motivating you to be your best usually only wants your best while you are at work.
Amen
The word you're looking for around 5:00 is 'refinement', in the sense of converting ore to metal. It's multiple stages of washing or burning away contaminants to concentrate the valuable part.
The fact that there's so much content online and so much dialogue around "masculinity" as an "issue" today just tells you how horribly off things are in society. Like, really!? We've come apart so much that this is a subject that needs to be discussed? Wow that's pathetic!
Love the work of this channel though! Glad the conversations are at least happening.
Online content is not a 1 to 1 reflection of the real world
This conversation isn’t happening in other countries outside of Britain and America for the most part. So that should tell you something as well. America and Britain has the most amount of grifters and pseudo intellectuals trying to make money off of the mental health issues of the youth and general economic issues.
The way you described transforming aggression and competitiveness into positive energy resonates with the fundamental attribution error. I’ve seen clients who, when faced with their own aggressive tendencies, assumed they were simply “bad” people, instead of realizing it was how they were channeling their energy that mattered. Once we worked on redirecting that aggression toward personal growth and success, they began thriving. Your focus on using discipline and channeling masculine energy for good is exactly the kind of advice young men need to redefine their path. This video was truly inspiring!
can you give an example of aggressive energy ?because I don’t know what it means.
I'm so happy this podcast exists. Men need to hear these things especially in today's culture.
We’ve abandoned traditions and practices that used to provide an outlet to channel youthful male energy into something positive. It’s no wonder so many young men are feeling directionless today.
Which traditions are you talking about? Chimney sweeping
I listened to Robert Greene's book on power back in 2009 and was totally blown away by it. I saw the world differently since.
There is no such thing as "toxic masculinity". If a man is "toxic" he is not "masculine". Putting these two words together makes no sense
There's a toxic version of masculinity, so yes, there is toxic masculinity
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Literally crossed my mind. I read that "toxic masculinity" was introduced to define the behaviour of men prisoner when they started to feel aggression. There's absolutely nothing toxic about masculinity and people should stop saying that.
Excellent point
There are toxic people. Some are male, some are female.
Know the strength of a man yet keep a woman's care and compassion- Lao Tzu
That women are especially compassionate is a myth.
They just tend to be more agreeable, conformist and go with what they view as the mainstream.
«It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers.» ― George Orwell, 1984
@@kc6810 You missed the point.
And the point is, women are not special in any way. In some regards they are even less trustwothy and honest and more reckless then most men.
And yes, it's because of evolution. I don't even blame them. I still like women - thats also evolution. But there is no need to put them on a pedestal. That's reserved for women who have proven their worth in a relationship.
@@kc6810 And please, stop liking your own comments!
@@kc6810 you can blame God or figure out a new survival strategy that isn't treacherous.
@@wolfgangkranek376You are aware that 1984 is a fictitious work, right?
Watching this mesmerizing video dredges up painful memories of the recent dissolution of my 4 year relationship. The departure of my beloved, the one I adore deeply, has left me in a perpetual state of longing. Despite my tireless attempts at reconciliation, I find myself mired in frustration, unable to shake the persistent thoughts of her. Despite my efforts to move forward, I'm compelled to share my inner turmoil and the overwhelming sense of missing her here .
Letting go of someone you love deeply presents a formidable challenge. I faced a comparable ordeal when my 6 year relationship ended. Refusing to succumb to despair, I relentlessly pursued avenues to reconcile with him. Ultimately, I sought solace and guidance from a spiritual counselor, whose intervention proved instrumental in restoring our connection.
Remarkable! How did you discover a spiritual counselor, and what's the procedure for me to get in contact with her?
Meet Suzanne Ann Walters, a renowned spiritual counselor.
Many thanks for providing this valuable information; I've just conducted an online search for her.
@@WoodnetRonnieBe wary of online solicitation. I will point out one thing Ronnie, your emptiness is the amount of fill up you need from YOU. Just think how long this ex partner has been trying to do this for you. Exhausting.
Thank you for these voices of wisdom. I know children raised around toxic "masculinity" and they need these lessons. Just because dad was a bully doesn't mean his sons must be afraid of their innate masculinity.
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I saw this exact comment in another video. They are bots commenting the exact same comment about this book in different videos
@synchronis346 its a bot comment dingdong
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The absolute lack of a "rite of passage" for young men is what is contributing to today's problems. The tradition not only makes a young man feel entitled to be the man he needs to be but allows all others in his surroundings to know this to be true as well.
One of the biggest aspects to my view of masculinity is being a Gentleman. I don’t care if it’s not en vogue - I won’t abandon it, I believe In it and that’s it
That’s got nothing to do with being masculine or feminine though. Just just called being considerate of others and can exist in both characteristics.
People correlate masculinity with romantic traditions but they are not the same
That’s just*
@@averyintelligence Is not having self control a masculine thing. Gentlemen have self control, are respectful of others and self aware, they have principles , they treat women and all people with kindness, they have style and self respect, to name a few of the qualities. What is not masculine about this?
Just remember that there is no success without sacrifice. I learned that from the book called 'Casanovareads: The Path To Success And Love'. Since I read that book I only think about money, fame and success. It addresses every aspect of man's life: relationships, dating life, fashion, grooming, modern masculinity, success... Writer gives you key tips and tricks on how to excel in every area of your life. You will need to put in some hard work of course, but nothing valuable comes easy in this life.
It brought out the Y chromosome.
I learned it from watching certain anime series and from logic. My dear Bot
@@vlgrdsplayofpowe879 Gotta love the Y chromosome top of the hill fights! 🍿
I like when people say, “When I was growing up….” It lets me know just how wise or moronic they are :]
Finally a fresh in-person Robert Greene episode 🎉🎉
I didn't have a 'father figure' growing up so I spent a lot of time since then looking for data on how to be a good Man. It's nice to have video's such as this to let me know I'm doing alright in this regard. Thank you very much for this.
True, this world needs more masculine men 💪🏽
Weak men are very dangerous. Strong men don't need to start trouble.
Yeah but do people around deserve us to make the necessary sacrifices?
@@adelb7897this is a great question.
@@adelb7897ironically your comment is very feminine and not a masculine statement at all
@@averyintelligencehe's right though
The sooner you figure out how YOU are going to take care of YOURSELF for the rest of YOUR life the better. The rest falls into place.
No Doctor, therapist, personal coach etc. will make you better. It's up to the individual.
This comment should be pinned
You ppl are so lost. Listen to you all worshipping the self.
I’ll make this real simple for you guys. Get to know Jesus Christ. “The rest will fall into place”
@@Johnnycassshhhhyou wouldn’t need any of those people if you had Jesus Christ. No other human being will ever be able to save you.
@@twoinchtape hes dead
I love masculine men!
Me and you over a bottle of wine 🍷 🌹 🤔
I love decent human being with a well-calibrated moral compass who have empathy for others.
We're here for you ladies 🙂
no one told you to love all of them....geez you must be tired.
Gracias.
Every man needs to learn to lift weights, learn martial arts, read books, learn how to write, and play an insturment or find an art that is suitable for their own pursuits.
Nothing is more profitable and attractive for a man who is passionate about life.
nah, life sucks
@@bigboyman5743 Fascinating. What do you base your life on? Like what are you a slave to as well?
@@yrdneh9385 i either die or cope, and dying seems easier than coping
@@bigboyman5743I feel this sometimes
@@bigboyman5743 Gotta fight and find ur spirt.
1. Switch off the TV, facebook, the radio, the news media and all forms of mass indoctrination.
2. Read non-fiction
3. Develop
4. Create a plan and execute
5. Think independently
6. Be healthy
One of the best modern authors BY FAR Mr Robert Greene 🐐👑
The Master himself on the show! Very glad to see him doing well and super excited to see this episode. Thank you both 🙏
We talk about toxic masculinity but never about toxic FEMENINITY...
3:37 Its wild that Robert Greene has to say "I'm sorry but I do believe in these things..." talking about basic biology
For what it's worth, I have not been actively LOOKING FOR sources of "pop culture incorrectly defined 'toxic masculinity'"... and I've not had many negative experiences that have centered around this "hot button topic".
Then again, I've curated my online experience to literally block ignorance and block all hateful and spiteful people. Also, (and this part may be quite obvious), I don't watch any "news" or click on any "news websites".
It **IS POSSIBLE** to customize your digital environment (and to a lesser extent, your physical one) to remove the ironic toxicity that projects itself into and onto the world and the people around it ❤❤💪💪
I owe this man so much. I cant wait for the full episode
The lighting and the background are very cool. Nice job there.
Toxic masculinity is just being an asshole. Just don't be an asshole.
Masculinity can never be toxic.
You’re just using synonyms without explaining what you mean
No one in this thread has actually said anything towards another person.
Biff from back to the future is an example of toxic masculinity
The only thing that's "toxic" is believing masculinity to be.
This guy changed my life in so many different ways, cheers
One group tells men what they should do. Man up, protect, kill their emotions, provide, live for others. They expect everything but owe men nothing.
Second, tell what they can achieve and show what it can be if they don't care and live their lives for themselves to the fullest.
I'm struggling to see how the second one is more toxic than the first one.
Selfishness is inherently negative and ultimately unfulfilling. All the, "screw everyone else" and "I'm gonna get mine" slogans sound good and all, but all of it means nothing when you're 60 years old with no kids or grandkids, no legacy and no one who even cares if you wake up tomorrow.
@@jonsnowight9510 I agree. But that's the same for selflessness. We need a middle ground, or men are nothing more than slaves.
We can't afford to endorse abusive behavior. Men bowing their heads when society spits on them will only push that spiral of abuse further.
Self love is where it must all start. “Love thy neighbor as you live thyself” - what’s the standard against which you measure your love for others? Love for yourself. To seek God is to know love accept understand and develop the highest character in…yourself.
It’s so important to listen to a man who sounds like an old woman talk about masculinity
Can’t wait for the full episode!
Spiritually, masculine energy is simply energy that is to be EXPRESSED outward into the world. Well-adjusted humans (male, female, other) are a harmonious combination of BOTH masculine + feminine energy. Pedestalizing one over the other is counterproductive. We need BOTH of these energies to live successful and fulfilled lives. The imbalance is what's toxic. The use of any energy in low vibration is what's toxic. Think I might do a video sometime in the future further articulating what masculine energy is and how we might use it productively in our lives. Sounds like a wonderful series/conversation.
Unfortunately, becoming comfortable with who you are only comes with age.
Thank you Robert
Oh my, Mr. Greene is dancing on a frozen lake named Cancelation. Bless his heart!
This is so awesomeee. I have been waiting for an episode with Greene since it was mentioned somewhere he had to cancel and had to be postponed or something 😭☺️
Meekness is velvet-covered steel. Boastfulness =Weakness=all hat and no cattle.
I still can’t grasp how the world has elevated Robert Greene to the status of a wisdom guru.
While i get what Robert is doing herein defining negative qualities of masculinity like boasting and so on, i would say that some of these people (if not a lot of them) are not insecure they are simply more self focused than others who have more empathy. It is possible to be very masculine and also be empathic, but similarly it is quite possible to be very masculine and not at all empathic. Like everything people's charateristics are on spectrums between one end of whatever you are looking at and the other.
When you have mastered yourself, you have found a true master
I respect this man and his opinions, BUT, I don’t concern myself with treating women well. I treat anyone how they treat me. The days of putting women on a pedestal are over…and they ended it.
Facts
When I feel lost Robert Greene saved me
I respect women who deserve respect. Who have earned it by actually conducting themselves respectfully. Unfortunately, that describes fewer and fewer women as time goes on.
So, no, it's not toxic masculinity to call out modern women on their awful behavior. Society gave them the benefit of the doubt by default, and they chose to do horrible things with it.
Personally, I don't think it's about respecting " everybody," and it was never like that,
It's all about respecting yourself, which reflects on others, and then being smart enough to surround yourself with positive people, which includes men and women.
And, of course, respect doesn't mean tolerating bullshit.
Saying it’s fewer and fewer women is crazy. It’s like women saying there’s fewer and fewer good men that don’t cheat. Like oh my god can’t both sides see you all are just a mirror of the other?!
@@TheCryGuy77 exactly
And look, at the end with age, people tempt to reduce their circle of friends, and this is normal. So it all depends on what you do where you go and what do you prioritise in your life whether it’s the activities you do and what do you attract.
If people attract garbage, well … what can I say, maybe there is a garbage side in them 🤷♂️
@@TheCryGuy77Actually, it's not.
This is such a bad take. People should be going through life with the innocent 'til proven guilty mindset. Respect everyone until they lose your respect. This applies to everyone and not just women.
Fantastic talk ❤
Always have your own life is what I learnt the hard way. Be respectful etc of course towards women but always have it in the back of your mind she could suddenly change hers or mess around on you. Seen it happen to family and mates of mine aswell.
Be respectful and give the benefit of the doubt to women AND men but stop giving women special treatment because they are women.
@@adelb7897yeah exactly my friend
@@adelb7897 What do you mean by giving women special treatment ?
I want this man to live forever with us
Oh you don’t need to put others down to make yourself feel better ? Tell that to these modern women
This applies to some men as well.
@@TheFlareMind yeah men don’t base their whole identity and personality off of bashing and putting down women. But women do that to men
People online definitely do that, and most disagreements are from men, so both do it. Its not a gender thing, its a human with bad education thing
@@newme1589 actually no woman are known to be catty while men are much more direct and straightforward
@@TheFlareMind Without fail " what about men" audience pops up :)
masculinity does not need to be redefined...it is what it is...
Aragorn from LOTR is the right kind of masculine.
Respect from others eminates from SELF respect and autonomy.
Real men are strong and competitive. 💪💪
Sounds bit adolescent, real men only compete with themselves
@@dbefore7165'real men' don't give a sh*t about being a 'real man'. They constantly strive to be the best version of their true selves and live their best lives without being insecure as to feel the need to put on a 'masculinity' act.
Keep running the rat race, I am sure hamster wheel your in leads to and end
Yes and no, you can do both. If you only compete with yourself, you will isolate yourself and basically be anti human.
@@newme1589not literally.. sigh, but a man doesn’t worry about what others are doing. In the end we all die and are all forgotten. Just enjoy the ride
48laws is a staple for me
That shot at the end waa hilarious
I just love this gentleman!
Definitely on the right track. A quiet confidence. Self-control. Empathy. Sadly, too much of the world assumes you're a douche if you project masculinity - mostly bc they are intimidated. So it's important to not live into that stereotype so people figure it out.
Many men equate masculinity and strength with working out and lifting weights. However, I would suggest reading Robert's books, as they convey a different message. True healthy masculinity encompasses much more than merely appearing masculine. And that is what modern men are most deficient in.
No, being strong and competent in combat is part of a man’s element of masculinity- deal with it.
Ah great a woman trying to tell men what masculine means.
Women should not talk about masculinity, you have no clue
@@DK-tj8nm Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I don't know what a man is. And just because you are a man doesn't mean you know either. In fact, if you know how to behave as a proper man, you would not address me that way. My father was a masculine man who took care of his wife and his three daughters, served in the armed forces and worked for my county's government for 22 years, and took us to Africa where he built roads and ran businesses, and he was a heavy weight boxer, and always a proper gentleman who respected women. He encouraged his daughters to be intelligent, strong, and educated, and free to express their opinions. I said nothing wrong and I was not making anything personal. You don't have to agree but you should be respectful and polite.
@@OhioVworld Sir, I don't have to deal with it. You do.
Thank you for this conversation.
Problem #1 - There are no positive rolemodels because they are cancelled immediately by screaming harpies at every turn. Lets be honest please.
There is no longer and men spaces available for men by men. The Gym - gone, in its place a plausibly deniable spandex thirst trap, you know it, I know it.
Workplace banter - in its place, an over policed sterile environment devoid of creativity due to constant feigning offense to wield power over others and character assassination.
Video games - in its place, see the most recent "Concord" game.
Action movies - in its place, girl bosses.
Boys playing - in its place medication because they're considered defective girls.
We need to call a spade a spade - we live in an overcorrected gynocentric world in the west where we're constantly told its the opposite. We will never correct this unless we can simply be honest about reality.
I don't really recognize your point of view. Find any blue or pink collar job and see how little power HR or anything has over banter and how offensive people's humor is. Go to a smaller gym instead of a chain and see the same normal people you see at any gym; a few young lads crowded around the bench, some old dude still kicking it and a few women doing leg exercises. I don't recognize the thirst trap at all. Maybe this is very dependent on nation and the culture, but as a Western European dude in his 20s I don't think it's all that bad. Like always there's the good and the bad. I feel like your perspective is grounded in the internet and not in real life. Maybe it is true where you live, and I recognize parts of this if I watch too much TH-cam and Instagram, both seemingly modeled to twist your perception of the world, yet I don't see it as much in real life if you surround yourself with working class people.
Great video 🎉🎉
Henry Rollins is as close as it will ever get for me personally as a healthy role model to be a man in life. Dude has flaws, sure, but at least he is aware of it.
Where are the good, decent women who will appreciate and reciprocate the behavior and effort of a good man?
Maybe I'm way off base, but they seem to be getting rare.
He has a lot to learn. Most people value totally different parts of life.
Boasting is neither masculine nor feminine, that's totally out of context. Sad no one can talk about the subject without bowing to women and pretending there is toxic masculinity, when all the toxic qualities they talk about are simply mental issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with masculinity.
If you struggle or you feel something is missing, sign up for martial arts of your preference and do some regular weight lifting.
You will find confidence and inner peace.
“It’s better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war”
Miyamoto Musashi
Exactly! This is the best what man can do for himself
Man speaks truth
I love Robert ... he saved me!
And you gotta have a good sense of humour , Women love to laugh But to be funny you have to be lucid and spontaneous to be original and inventive , which require confidence & security , which require a good vocabulary... This is what hetro men , in my experience, lack.
Yep, woman are attracted to humour, not muscles, it’s only young men who seem to obsess over other men’s body’s.. very odd.
you need an attractive face + height. humor does not make someone attracted to you
@@bro918 Not someone intelligent. Common people can only imitate , nothing wonderful in their lives , just boredom.
❤He knows what he's talking about 👌🙌
Work on yourself. Ignore women completely. Leave them to their sisterhood of backstabbing, cats, wine, and book club meetings.
If you're "ignoring women completely" you probably do need to work on yourself... There are plenty of good women in the world, and if you're dismissing them based solely on their gender, your twisted sense of masculinity is getting in the way of you making meaningful and valuable connections in your life with real people who are just as complex and worthy of respect as you are.
Hell yeah, brother - those grapes were probably sour, anyway!
Cats, wine and books are all pretty cool
@@dbefore7165 stop simping
BASED
RG is a good role model
When i was growing up, I never hated it when adults started with "When I was growing up".
This is what we need. ❤
There is no toxic masculinity, only toxic persons either male or female
Thank you for the messages ❤
Bring Naval Ravikant on the show, Please!
It's very rare to succeed in convincing him to participate as a guest somewhere
Always appreciate Mr Greene's perspective
There is no one more misunderstood than Andrew Tate. I'd rather be Andrew Tate than being a Jordan Peterson or this guy, someone who has struggled his entire life with mental health issues. And yet we must replicate his way of living, he is the guy we must look to. Men obviously need to feel a certain about themselves and the world to be healthy in mind and body. And Andrew Tate is far better to look at than these wimps who act as divine repositories of masculine wisdom but struggling in their own lives. And where were they before Andrew started speaking up for men. Now all of a sudden everyone is a masculinity expert by criticizing Tate when men were there suffering and they were all quiet.
Peterson is an articulate stud! He's done so much for other men.
Articulate stud, Iagree, who is struggling in his own life. I like him as well but he is not the only way to be.
We all have expiry date , no matter string or weak . Don’t fool yourself , live according to who you are , and don’t hide it and camouflage yourself