How Did Ordinary Citizens Become Murderers?
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- What prompted average people to commit extraordinary crimes in support of the Nazi cause?
In the Holocaust era, countless ordinary people acted in ways that aided and hindered the persecution and murder of Jews and other targeted groups within Nazi Germany and across Europe.
On September 13, 2017, the Museum hosted a discussion to answer one of the most vexing questions of the Holocaust: How Did Ordinary Citizens Become Murderers?
Former New York Times reporter and award-winning author Ralph Blumenthal moderated this program with two noted scholars:
Dr. Christopher Browning, Professor of History Emeritus, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and author of Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland
Dr. Wendy Lower, Acting Director of the Jack, Joseph and Morton Mandel Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and author of Hitler's Furies: German Women in the Nazi Killing Fields
Nuremberg Trials:
When asked ‘Why?’ Hitler’s Nazi officer replied, ‘I was just following orders.’ ….It’s happening again.
But they still hung
The ones who gave the orders hung.
@@karaharvey9332 only because they lost…and after they murdered or facilitated the murder of how many!?
So many nazis were hired by america, that they have a super strong presence now. The video BEHIND THE SMOKE CURTAIN: THE 9/11 PENTAGON ATTACK says that the evil/diabolical nazis in the white house did 9/11.
We have been in the middle of the 2nd holocaust a long time -- each time a bomb is dropped, a chemical is sprayed on the land and waters, radiation is spewing from Fukushima on a constant basis, fluoride is constantly being put into toothpaste and drinking water, GMOs and pesticides are in the foods. Cops shooting people in the back. CIA/SWAT tearing apart people's farms and entering homes without knocking. Wars that are about taking over the resources of other countries. And prisons are about breaking up families and stopping competition. Vaccines that are weapons. All of this is a genocidal plan to free the world of billions of people.
What these communists/nazis/ psychopaths causing everyone else to be out of balance, DON'T know is that this dimension is not our home. Out of these bodies we vibrate a whole lot faster as electrical energy fields. Quantum physics has been left out of schools and hospitals so even the idea of death has got so many people scared that they become sick, just what the medical cartel wants. BUT there can be no death because we are constantly being created. And nonlocality has been proven. So we are all ONE energy and light, which means these nazis/communists are literally hurting themselves, TOO. This is the information that physicists know but are not allowed to tell us, except the physicist Barbara Brennan that wrote the book HANDS OF LIGHT.
@Sorry Wrong Planet Good! 😊
Make people fear something and watch how fast you can make them do the most disturbing things.
Example: now
Fear is our single most powerful basic drive.
Exactly its happening again.
@@bradcurie3376 Look at our world right now. Get the 'vaccine' or ... = fear. Now the 'vaxxed' say the spread of the virus is all the fault of the 'unvaxxed', even though the 'unvaxxed' get tested on a regular basis and the 'vaxxed' can spread the virus as if they have never had the jab. = FEAR
@@sonjavanmoed4426 And in the future the unvaxxed will be killed for not complying.
As I listen to this, I can't help but to hear the faint whisper, "History quietly repeats itself...."
God willing!
It's coming...
dat's deep YO
History is yelling at the top of its voice. Yet we have a administration importing thousands of fighting age men from countries that hate this country. At the same time stating that the unvaccinated are the cause of all the problems, (if someone is vaccinated they can't catch that disease). They have already built re-education camps. So, a population identified as evil, camps to isolate them, a group of people willing to pull the trigger, a media lying, a general informing our enemies, a leader pushing. 🤔 🙄 never happen here, right.
I don’t hear a faint whisper, I hear a loud boom.
I can see how some people who ask “why people do this kind of evil” go ahead with bias and prejudice. Human beings tend to think too high of themselves, and too little of the other.
The 3 Women who killed for Charles Manson were pretty normal before their encounter with him.
There is a term for that. It’s called narcissism and attachment theory confirms your statement in the form of the dismissive avoidant attachment style.
We think too little of God.
While parents are fighting to stop critical race theory being taught in public schools, the same social justice warriors want to discriminate non-vaccinated people and take their freedoms and healthcare away. Some doctors and hospitals are talking about turning un-vax people away. Either we do what they say or else!
Nah, man. There's an old saying - "Sh!t flows downhill."
In other words, everything is all your fault, you worthless plebs.
My pastor, in his sermon, today said something very profound.
When we look at another person as different than us, rather than made in God’s image, we are able to justify mistreating them.
That’s been the flaw of mankind in what seems like for ever. White European men killed about 10 million Native Americans, because they were different.
@@dennisconrad6124Yes! They have not capitalized on the violent protests of today which is a testament to their cultural dignity.
I can’t lay racism at just the “white” man’s feet. It is in all of us.
If you read the real BIBLE , it will explain that God and God alone can give everyone the ability to choose your way. Also it tell that everyone will answer to God and God ,alone.
@@gailcarey3597
Thank you. All have sinned and come short to the Glory of God. As long as there are sinners in the world, there will be sin.
@@dennisconrad6124 as a First Nation woman, “Tribes killed other Tribes, because they were different.”
As a women I’m amazed at how many people believe that women are not just as capable of doing horrendous things or being as fanatic as men.
Most cult members are women
Some of the most sadistic murderers were women in camps who killed children and enjoyed torturing prisoners. Very few of them were prosecuted after the war and lived long life with German pensions.
my own sister is a narcissistic sociopath. After I handled my father's estate 22 years ago I severed all contact with my entire family to avoid ever having to tolerate her again. Far beyond merely unpleasant. Truly sadistic and evil person.
1.5 billion babies have been sacrificed by their feminist mothers, but of course you're not allowed to talk about that.
Ecery women I've known.
The brutality we're seeing from the police towards citizens in Australia and France protesting Vaxx Pass, is shocking.
I think its still a very long way from whats represented here
Or the way police repressed racial justice protests in the United States?
Biden also is setting up capitol police all over the country right now
Lock and load.
@@antaibhshaglas3737 open your eyes, we are 2 steps away, maybe 1
I would like to see a discussion with these people comparing what's going on now
I would like a discussion about Lucky Larry Silverstein.
Or USS Liberty.
Or the DancingIsraelis
My German immigrant parents keep saying “don’t let them take your guns..don’t let them take your guns…” My grandfather was a nazi officer.
@@ghhm2705 Your grandfather was a good man.
My grandfather was an American German immigrant who got a purple heart in battle. He always used to say that "we fought the wrong enemy."
You won't like it. The ones I've spoken with have learned nothing unless it pertains to a group they are part of that's being targeted. Most are provax and are fine with the anti vax being called out of society.
Es ist verboten
I'm an ICU RN. I resigned. I will not participate in Nazi Germany 2.0.
What do you mean by that? Just curious? The Germany of today is nothing at all like the Germany of 80 years ago.
@@margarethancock4401 take a look at her 'Truth’ video list. She's a covid conspirator. Resigning can only improve the health system.
I refuse to get vaccinated and I feel it is just a matter of time before I get lined up on a wall and shot.
@@mk-ultra8750 Exactly
Bless you. It is no conspiracy. These people need to look around them. Stop watching propaganda on tv. When I hear messages on the radio urging people to rat on their neighbors for being out after 8pm... there's a problem. That was months ago. Things have only gotten worse, much worse.
Also, everyone who has ever worked in retail, fast food, or customer service in the US knows that there are plenty of people out there who would put them down for the pleasure of it. People love the power trip of hurting someone else who cannot defend themselves. I think there are more sadistic people out there than what's reported.
Unfortunately I think what you've said is very true. Whilst walking into Tescos the other day, accidentally without a mask (shock, horror!) a security man literally ran after me and was very abusive. I have no doubt that if he'd had a gun he would have cheerfully shot me thinking that he was doing a good thing. We are in serious times.
I also live very near to an army barracks and they are working overtime at the moment.....why? They have also had a program of recruiting from extremely poor African countries over the last ten years or so, offering them more money than they could ever earn in their own country. Would these people care if they were ordered to shoot a bunch of British people? I don't think so.
Oh they've known this for years, the Stanford Prison Experiment and Milgram experiement proved it, look them up and read about them.
@@sgtjonmcc
Excellent point!!! I'd forgotten about that!
@@ninisimone3498 Compliance is a form of NAZIFICATION OF AMERICA, DO NOT USE MASK EVERYWHERE AND ANYWHERE! BE FREE!
Majority human minds quickly forget “lessons learnt” for personal benefits, like holding on to their jobs/life style etc. Now 2021, December, its so dèja vu, listening these talks! Thank you!
It's chilling! I hope we all see what's happening so clearly!
Time is turning. Earth is rotating.....
Blah, blah, blah. Nothing is happening, people are working. No anti-vaxxers has been attacked, yet many antivaxxers have attacked people for simply being asked to mask up. Stop feeling like a victim, you are NOT.
Schalom und tiefes Bedauern .... die Enkel und Urenkel Deutschlands wiederholen heute die Sünden ihrer Nazi-unterstützenden Großeltern ... 1938-1945 standen sie dabei, während Geschäfte, Wohnungen usw. von Juden und anderen mitgenommen wurden mit Bankkonten usw. und verwendet, um das Vermögen aller Nazi-unterstützenden Deutschen zu 'stützen'. Sie weigerten sich, das Gas der Todeslager abzustellen, und heute ... werden diese Sünden heimgesucht, wie die Torah ... die Bibel sagt ... heute in der 3. und 4. deutschen Generation ... die in ihren bequemen Häusern und für den Profit ihrer Fabriken und Geschäfte ... Weigern Sie sich HEUTE, russisches Gas abzustellen. Jedes Mal, wenn eine deutsche Familie ihr Haus heizt und ihr Essen mit russischer Energie (Gas, Öl, Kohle) kocht, unterstützt sie direkt russische Truppen dabei, ukrainische Schulmädchen zu vergewaltigen (Wahrheit), und sie und ihre Familien dann zu ermorden. Während in Deutschland die öffentliche Bildung „die Gräueltaten der Nazi-Vergangenheit“ deutlich zeigt, „versagen“ sie daher sowohl in der 3. als auch in der 4. Generation, heute „moralisch hochstehende Integrität“ zu haben. Wenn zu 100% die gesamte russische Energie von den Deutschen nach Deutschland abgeschaltet würde .... zuerst würden sie ein neues "Reputations- und Geschichtskapitel" der neuen deutschen Moral schreiben ... und ... Putin und seine Freunde würden das Geld verlieren, das sie brauchen, um " Machtkontrolle über das russische Volk ... und der Krieg und die russische Mafia von Putin und 1500 Mitverschwörern ... würden die Versklavung des russischen Volkes beenden. Denken Sie daran ... Millionen ukrainischer Familien haben keine Heizung, und einige kochen draußen mit Holz, während russische Bombenanschläge zu hören sind. WO ist die deutsche 'Psyche und Moral'... wo ist dein Herz? Stellen Sie russische Brennstoffe sofort AUS ... oder wissen Sie, dass Jesus Christus das nächste Mal als richtiger Richter kommt ... und Sie werden nicht für immer entkommen, wenn Sie sagen: "Oh, es geht uns nichts an" ... Gott hat Ihre schwachen Ausreden satt ... drehen Sie sich um ... und hören Sie auf, die Sünden Ihrer Vorfahren aus dem 2. Weltkrieg zu wiederholen ... und schreiben Sie eine neue glorreiche Moralgeschichte des heutigen Deutschland! ... p.s. Sitzen Sie nicht in Ihrem warmen Zuhause und bei warmen Mahlzeiten ... und denken Sie, Sie werden nicht erwischt. Wenn Sie für immer und ewig in der Hölle schmoren, werden Sie sich nicht an diese gegenwärtigen „Trosttage des Profits“ erinnern, während ukrainische Kinder und Familien von Russland „ausgerottet“ werden.
It takes 2 generations to demoralize people
We are seeing this unfold again today
We saw it happen in absolute terms during the Balkan Wars , most awful brutal murders were committed by heretofore "ordinary people" on all sides.
@@jimbanda SEEMING ordinary people. You will find that around 20% of the population of every nation across the world are inhumane. They look ordinary because they are all masked. These people become vocal and pressure others around them to conform with the authorities in doing atrocities.
One stark example. After the second world war, the British celebrated war criminal aka Churchill, entered Greece with an army, dismissed the government and rounded up the Greeks where were the German collaborators to form a government. And more than that to spark a civil war and exterminate 10% of the population, either in war or famine or tortures of those Geeks who refused to fight other Greeks.
It was justified on the idea that the Greek communist party would call on Russia to support the government. This was hardly true.
Firstly those that fought the Germans and the government were socialist as there are in other European countries like Sweden. Secondly Churchill went to Russia prior to entering Greece and cut a deal with Stalin. We have this and you get that etc. This is the percentages agreement.
Why was this done? It was done to create the illusion of a cold war and Russia as an aggressor that might take over the free world. It helped those that profit from war, like the Rothschild''s, who boast that they have made all their money funding all wars since Napoleon on both sides. While it has been presented as a Greek civil war, the world population has been kept in the dark AND willing to fight in a cold war scenarios that are all a set up. Is it the ordinary people's fault. No. They have been deceived on the one hand and there are inhumane people on the other presenting these scenarios as a real danger to the so-called free world.
How ?
Reruns always stink maybe the clock simply broke this museum is a godsend of insight. I pray we survive again... Shalom
@@i.m.i.7310 Judah dominated the slave trade for hundreds of years. Professor Tony Martin.
The gentleman who stood up to ask a question who stated he was a Hungarian Jewish survivor should have been applauded by the audience in acknowledgement to his accomplishments in not only surviving such brutality but his bravery to speak out about the atrocities, except the audience all looked tired and partly disbelieving of the horrors that had been discussed. There is no hope for us as a species if we cannot even acknowledge one man's trauma and his endurance to even continue wanting to live having been witness to such evil.
I am in my mid 50s and always question how an educated sophisticated society could so easily become mass murderers with the majority of the populous sit in silent approval of their country men who commit such atrocities. In 2020 I see how easily a society can fall victim to this , you see I live in Melbourne Australia and am watching this playing out in my daily life.
It’s coming to the US now. Pray and stand up against this tyranny.
Trust in God. No man will rescue you. Our sympathies won't rescue you. Our best wishes can't rescue you. Never underestimate the power of the Creator!
🙏🙏🙏✌✌✌❤❤❤
I'm in the UK, today the extraordinary powers to government have been extended, without a vote. We are united right across the world, we really are 'the many'.
From Hitler to Brandon in 75 years
The gentleman who is a Holocaust survivor will probably never see this comment, but I remember so vividly seeing those shoes on the river in Budapest. I have a picture of a child’s pair with a flower in them. I was actually thinking about them even before he even spoke. I have seen a lot of memorials, but that is one that has haunted me and I have never forgotten. I hope he and others know how much random people feel for, and remember, their pain.
Thanks for sharing that recollection. I hope he does see it. 🌹
I used to ask myself this question…now, I read posts on social media platforms & news outlets and I don’t wonder what happened “then” because I see it now.
Which is more important, church or state? Church does without so much dough.
Yup. We know who would have collaborated, don’t we?
The media was much different back then
They would actually drop flyers from ariplanes etc lol
its all about religion anyway
as the sheep will always follow
Recognizing the humanity in others is key to both compassion and justice
Civil countries have legal history based in evolving Case Law, I recently see on comparative countries. Military lacks legal practice, leaving law code to co
@@robertknowles2699you speak in convolution, simplify your words..
And sadly today the history is about to repeat.
By who?
@@MegaHatLady It does feel like that, with critical race theory now being taught in school in the united states. There is open denegration of "white". There is celebrated violence in the streets. This is how it starts.
I wonder how many german citizens saw nothing wrong going on...much like today’s liberals with their race theories.
Already happening now. Easy to see it starting with much censorship from the Left with help from Twitter and Facebook.
@@picklesnoutpenobscott3165 Yes, I see how the left treats whites. It’s disgusting
I was constantly hurt, every day by 50 or more kids because I was disabled. Today these kids are grown adults and considered decent, nice, law-abiding middle-class people. But not one of them has any remorse for all the pain and suicide attempts they caused me. It is clear that every one of them still views me as an object of disgust and less than human. And this is like a representive of most people.
Because our human race is the most digusting race of all races.
Your comment really struck me. It is exactly what I've observed. We still suffer from their evil acts while they have a happy life. How can this be? There may come a time when we shall have the answer I hope otherwise there is no point to anything. Let's try to have faith that's all we can do my friend.🙅
@@1956soulmate Because perhaps there's no real justice in this world. The only thing you can do is blind yourself with faith - to have even the slightest bit of hope.
@@Necho-hp6qhYes I'm afraid so my friend. That's exactly how it is.🙏
@@1956soulmate I never said you were afraid. You don't have to be afraid
Who else is watching this comparing to recent events in our global history? My year is 2023.
Where do you live
History always repeats, especially when you say it can't happen here.
Very true. Look at the Trump supporters. It’s easy to see how Hitler came to power. Trump reminds me of Hitler. Silver tongue devils.
@@JohnDavis-yz9nq I think there is quite a difference between Trump and Hitler, Trump is a civic nationalist and Hitler was a German supremacist.
@@GeiserichtheVandal not really that much difference now that you brought that up. Trump is not a mass murderer like Hitler was but believe me he would kill people to get what he wanted if he could get away with it and he would sleep just fine at night. What I was actually referring to was how people can be brainwashed to thinking this person is something that they are not. It’s like the people had a spell cast upon them. I voted for Trump the first time because he was different and not a real politician but bailed out the second election once I seen what a con he is. I have a friend that lives up the street from that was almost chewing on the end of a gun because Trump lost. What Trump and Hitler have in common is they are mentally challenged and needed help.
I want to know - is there any place on earth that isn't soaked in blood?
@@illuminate5 The two arctics are pretty clean unless you include seal blood ;-)
Easy, anybody who has worked in a large corporation will see lots of people in management roles that would do anything for their next promotion, put them in 1930s germany and they would be part of it.
Yes. Psychology explains these stuff clearly.
How true. "Group Think"
@@ilovefredreika no sure about group think, its just that to get ahead its easier to cheat then it is to do it by hard work, so lots o managers have low integrity to begin with
Fear is the strongest emotion if you are afraid that is what you are .Fear controls you-it does not even have to be fear of death because if you live in constant terror there is the old fight or flight and sometimes you are both .You are afraid of the Fear causer but it can make you strong against other situations because you cannot agree to be nothing .Being ashamed of your fear does not help .
So you are saying their motive was Ambition, good, very good.
We don't need to look back so far. Just observe the sheep mentality before your eyes. People don't change.
Exactly. It’s happening right now on a much broader scale.
Are they sending us to be cooked and gassed? only a specific minority or a majority or ALL? What is our "fault" for being cooked and gassed? Who is doing it? Your neighbour down the street is giving them a hand for profit?
Not wanting to take a vax doesnt make someone a sheep. It's just being skeptical. Im skeptical but pro-vax.
It literally happened in this room when they were dismissive of the Hungarian Jewishish survivor
My paternal grand-father, part of The Resistance, sheltered Jews at great risk to himself, my father and my aunt. My father, completely traumatized by all he saw whilst growing up, started grooming me for War before I could walk. He would make me practice evasive measures whilst in public with a double-sided beret, different hairstyles and a reversible jacket, whenever we were out in public. I’d have a pony tail, a blue beret and jacket and in the time it took us to turn the corner of the street, my Dad would pull the elastic from my hair as I’d turn my jacket inside out, as well as my beret and was then clad in white, with long hair. He also taught me cryptography and we would speak in code. He bred me for War, teaching me Judo, how to throw knives, etc by the time I was 4 years old.
He was TOTALLY traumatized, DECADES later, by all he’d witnessed as a young child, during WWII
This is amazing. You should write a book on this. You come from good stock.
I'd read it.
Oh wow 😞
What do you suppose he would think of all the crazy stuff happening right now? Like in Australia?
My heart breaks for him (and you).
The host is rude. I don't care about the "interest of time." The way he blew off the actual holocaust survivor was appalling. Let's instead listen to those who profited off of books about the tragedy versus someone who actually suffered in person. Disgusting.
It looks
I found it appalling too. The irony of it.
@@1995yuda Absolutely. This goes to show you, that people in the public eye do not care about who they profit off of... so long as they profit. There are so many good humans on Earth. These are not the best we have to offer.
@@KathleenEdge Totally agree! We can do so much better than this💯 I have some plans of my own to influence things for the better and I hope you do too... G-d bless you🙏❤
I also cringed a bit, there, but I also think this is tricky. Opening up comments from an unvetted audience can take you in a whole lot of directions that can get out of hand. You need a moderator that keeps things focused, though I would hope a holocaust survivor would be recognized before the event. It could be the moderator is uncertain to trust an unverified source in a very public event. You say the panel profited off of books, but most of us view them as scholars. And scholars are important to prevent misinformation. It's false dichotomy that we prefer hear from survivors or scholars. Maybe it says something about the registration process for this event more than the moderator's personality.
Why are these people so bewildered? In every generation, from any ordinary street, there will be someone who will - given the correct political circumstances - will commit such atrocities!
You are correct, but you have stated the most significant word in your sentence - someone. One. It is bewildering why millions - not one, millions- fell under the this heinous ideology.
All of this, all of it, is exactly the justification of the abortion industry. It’s still here. Far more than Hitler ever did. 60 million murdered, called non- humans.
Ross, you're missing the point that it's state institutional norms that beget fascism
Unfortunately yes, and we are on the brink of happening again....
@@shirleyelling2761 Exactly
They did it for the good of the people…sounds the same as now.
Exactly do it for your neighbour/ other people . Keep them safe, until the division causes hatred then unspeakable evil .
I saw a documentary and a homicide detective who had solved hundreds of murders in his career said, "Given the right circumstances, anyone is capable of murder and unspeakable cruelty."
i like to bully tyrants
Anyone. Bullshit
Simple: Convice most of the people that certain groups are responsible for the entirety of a country's problems and even the most gentle of lambs can become wolves.
And dehumanise them. There was a lot of that happening in nazi Germany
A piece of gruesome, little known, historical context...
The Childhood Origins of World War II and the Holocaust
psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/chapter-6-the-childhood-origins-of-world-war-ii-and-the-holocaust/
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@@adammiller3609 I don’t buy that for a second so elaborate on that claim.
@@pc86914 then you don't understand political power. Don't understand who has it or what they are using it for
@@pc86914 Trump is not really a conservative i agree. But a big portion of his constituency are the naive Christian conservatives who though he would support their interests. He was fooling them from the beginning
We are headed this way again. Only a matter of time.
We aren't going in that direction
We already here.
In my city one lady was celebrating her daughter birthday she is only 7 and her neighbor called the police. Because the covid 19 is being used us a weapons against other people.
@@eagleeagle7802
This is what it will look like if you don't take the mark of the beast as written in scripture...only much worse.
@@eileensmitchell4576
Only God can change the human heart which is continually wicked. He gave us His Son, Jesus, for that very purpose.
Never Again.
Fema camps 🙄🙄🙄
You can bet that you know at least one person who would easily become a monster given the opportunity - it could even be you.
Thumbs up. That is true. See my comment. And BTW the bible has been around for centuries telling of the beastly human heart . . . in each of us. See Jeremiah 17:9.
I read 2 Hitler quotes that seem very eerily familiar in the USA. I have not checked validity but the words still apply.
"The greater the crime perpetrated by the leadership, the less likely it is that the people will ever believe their leaders to be capable of perpetrating such an event."
and
"By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell - and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed."
I think history is boldly repeating itself in the USA. Now there is no other country to rescue us, stop the atrocities nor any other place to go on this planet since there are very few if any other democratic free societies. We are the frogs now boiling in the water that has been heating up and ignored for decades.
Shocking…scary…true.
Yes, Friends. This is what they are counting on. We can fall in line, even knowing what we know now, after seeing what we are seeing.....
"I would rather die free on my feet, than live bent on my knees." A frightening statement, but one worth thinking about. Everyone afraid of dying themselves.... not standing together to fight, but wanting everyone else to die, while they themselves live.... horrendous lives under suppression. Sad, pathetic.
@Echo Foxtrot Bro.... there are millions out there who won't comply. You are not alone. Did you serve?.... if so, did you keep in contact with any of your brothers? Do you shoot? Is there a gun range out there anywhere near you? Owners of gun ranges or feed stores know of like minded folks. Do you have an interest in hunting, fishing, etc? Preppers are out there and groups that are "getting ready" for the SHTF that's coming. Any of your neighbors or men at your work that might do these things? Get connected in things/activities where other men congregate or frequent. Like usually finds like. Things aren't easy, friend, are they? And we all are walking a rocky constantly moving road that no one has ever walked before. Need to find a group for support. Ask God, pray, for one.... ask for Him to put you around one that works for you.
I understand. Stay strong, stay smart, stay close to God.
@Echo Foxtrot Sounds like you've already won this fight. You're not living in fear if you're willing to die for your convictions. There's really nothing we can do except resist and have plan for whatever comes next.
@Echo Foxtrot Got a little choked up reading your comment. All I can think to do is resist anyway we can.
Seeing so many people around the world protesting the vaccine, gives me hope.
Take care. Hang in there and stay strong.
Never underestimate sociopathIC psychopaths. THERE IS NOTHING THEY WILL NOT DO TO OTHERS.
Yeah ... but is EVERYONE a sociopathic psychopath?
A sociopathic psychopath is just a sociopath: they are two seperate conditions.
@@Fairfax40DaysforLife It is estimated that 2 to ?% (real number is unknown) of the population is born as a primary psychopath (frontal lobe function disorder, incurable). No conscience, sadism, no capacity of emotion (exception is jealousy and hate), throughout the human history these beings are behind every evil on earth. Human body with an inhuman psyche, soulless. It´s not yet clear if they are a mutation among the human gene pool.
These were not all psychopaths, they were an entire society full of all kinds of people like us! The point is to ask OURSELVES, what will I do when I am tested? Do I give in to gossip, do I exclude others, do I allow myself to be prejudices against someone based on gossip or group think? Do I imagine violence against my enemies and spread hate speech and slander against a politician I dislike? Will I stick up for my clients/students/children against a more powerful authority?
they get you to do it
When we were studying the Holocaust in high school, our teacher brought up the Milgram Experiment done at Yale University and showed clips from that experiment. If you aren't familiar with the experiment; subjects were supposed to give shocks of up to 450 volts to another person every time they got an answer wrong. Now of course the other person was an accomplice and was never in any danger.
It was harrowing watching the clips and seeing ordinary men getting sickened by what they thought they were doing. But they kept going when ordered to even when they heard the accomplice screaming in agony (and even stopping after going past 300 volts).
I once met a person who served as a participant in Milgram's (1963) experiment and he described a sense of unrelenting shame in knowing he was capable of such violence.
F
The programming to obey authority runs very deep. We are brainwashed from the cradle to the grave. Its about believing that what they are doing is for the greater good, or if not being afraid to not comply in case should one become the outsider and potentially the target.
That unrelenting shame may have been more a function of core shame in Cluster B P D.
I watched that. Think there was only one woman who refused to continue even with the doctor heavily coercing her, telling her she had to.
It was scary to see how easily most would comply with torturing another human being.
It is not abnormal psychology.
People in Rwanda we're the same Race but differed in tribal distinction;
lived side by side for hundreds of years; but genocide by the Hutus against the Tutsis resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Yes it can happen to a so-called
normal mind; and has in many countries; maybe just not to the extent of Nazi Germany who almost
conquered the world; certainly Europe. History does and has repeated itself; as I feel like America
is being tested as we speak. As a Senior Citizen Black Man, I know only too well how these things begin.
(stereotyping, mis-information, dis-information, de-humanization, etc.). Very impactful words of truth and the nature of mankind.,🤔.....!
Rasuwl......✊......😎
Yes, radio MC and others push them to hate each other !
This is the hardest-hitting, most sober panel discussion I have ever seen on youtube. Stunning. Immediate. Timeless.
In a totalitarian state, psychopathic folks tend to find their level and to exploit every possible avenue to exploit their psychosis..
You mean psychopathy. Psychosis is very different from psycho-pathological behavior. Psychosis is separation from reality (so you don't have to face it). Psychopaths are good at accepting reality and exploit it without any conscience. Two different things. However, psychopaths may take advantage of those with psychotic tendencies.
WESTARN COUNTIES DO THERE KILLING BY SIEGE AND INHUMAN SANKTIONS INCUDING USA AND UK
yes, chuckschilling, you pretty much nailed it
It's too simple answer. At that time you had fascism and Nazism, why Germany organized holocaust instead Italy?
Agreed Zionism isAIDS.
Groupthink and identity politics. Exactly what we have going on now.
Bingo!
Where are the SJW concentration camps?
@@lookbovine Same place as the Trumpard camps
@@michaell8722 The obsession you have with 45 is both amusing & concerning.
Ascribed social traits (race, gender, sexuality etc) are wholly different than national identity. The former is particular and necessarily minority based. The later is universal and majoritarian. The key difference is that those who make identity-based justice claims are self-secure, but disempowered, and the practice of national politics involves feeling insecure, but (often violently) empowered. Obviously then, it’s patriotism and nationalism that is the true threats, not feminism or anti-racism.
I am often surprised at the amount of hatred I momentarily feel towards people... in traffic. We are all born well capable of evil. If it was just a fluke, we wouldn't need God's commandments, or civil laws for that matter. The growing lawlessness will unleash our evil once again.
The growing lawlessness is now more fashionably called "my freedom", "I do it my way" or "I'm not a sheep". I'm no saint and I can momentarily feel hatred when put in danger against my will, but I really don't feel like a sheep just for complying to general common sense. Civil laws are needed until individuals cannot think any better about their behaviours and their effects on others.
Szolzhenytzen said " The line between good and evil runs throught the heart of every man."
Religon is actually the problem
Government is a religious cult
and they use religion to get you to accept them as your master
Religion is not real
its backwards brainwashing
the god of jews muslims christians told ABRAHAM 2 KILL HIS SON
Traffic makes you hateful? Find a more soothing radio channel Bub.
They are again separating people into them and us .God bless you for preserving history! RIP our Jewish friends. The world did not stand up fast enough. Think of China and the Weygurs! (Sorry for the error in spelling) right now in camps and forced labor, forced sterilization! The Afghan people.. etc.
Uighurs :-)
How about people who volunteer to be vaccinated, who do only to keep their job, and those who refuse even at the point of being fired...
Hell with that. Think of the "free Democracies" dividing the pop between vaxxed and unvaxxed. And the unvaxxed are the villans. Govt designed this. Media propaganda perpetuates it. Serious times now. If we lost the West, there is no freedom anywhere in the world.
I am multiracial and my great grandfather and his brothers were branded on their ankles when they were children so they couldn't pass for white even though they didn't try to pass for white. By the time they were young men they were told they had to leave town of die. This happened here in the United States! One of my uncle's was so scared that he moved all the way to Canada and kept his identity secret. He lived to be over hundred and it was at that time that he revealed his ethnicity. This conditioning of thinking that one ethnic group is superior over another is dangerous and can lead to murder as history and current events has revealed!
The Flower 🌹
Where in the US? The S branded them? Just curious. Thank you.
And now it's whites that are hated and dehumanized.
Wow, our histories can be very tragic. It is not just ethnicity that can be used to divide and dehumanize us. We need to be watchful and fight, with our voices, any efforts to divide us or dehumanize us, while we still can.
Recent ‘hate crime’ legislation should be in law school. Shopping for attorney
to end harassment well worth the time?
Lord have mercy!
Not hard to see its happening now right in front of your eyes wide shut.
Yip......agreed with both of you. Blind Obedience, always the only evil needed by tyrants.
I see what you did there. Well played!
Pat day , exactly right it’s no great mystery why some humans commit appalling crimes in their line of duty , just give one group of people great powers of control to behave with next to zero accountability and consequences over another targeted group , power can corrupt, corrupted powers of control will always create evil behaviour , it’s really not rocket science just look at how the USA police and also in other countries treat their citizens and their legal systems that enables in protecting the criminal behaviour , we don’t need a higher education to see that .
@@petergriffin9055 hell yeah
@@petergriffin9055 You are 100 % Right!
When some people in supermarkets told me "young man, your mask is not sitting properly", then i got really upset and sometimes even yelled at them, and at least once i said "YOU, Madame, have learned nothing from the german past".
"How Did Ordinary Citizens Become Murderers?"
You give them power without consequences.
“I’m just following orders.” That’s what they like to say. Pathetic! Exactly Kris, you give them power without consequences! Very well said!
A German woman told me one time that the depression in Germany was much worse than in the US and began after WW1. Hearing survivor stories make me wonder how much the punative debt imposed on Germany after WW1 had to do with hostility towards rich jews and job availability in general
DUH!!! I think you're on to something.
As General Patton said. . ."we defeated the wrong enemy!"
@@SD-co9xe . . . it's the truth. And I'm not sure who you're talking about when you reference "disgusting behavior" ; ).
@@SD-co9xe. . . state of Israel. . .tear down those walls. Sort of ironic that it's OK for Jews to have their own ethno-religious nation but it wasn't OK for Germanic people to have theirs.
@@republitarian484 in Germany the Berlin wall had divided Berlin and divided the ethnic German people, and russia was oppressing East Germany. Far different scenario. Russia genocided, raped and abused millions of Germans once captured and after ww2. Not at all like israel.
@@theCosmicQueen . . . oh I agree. Too many people do not realize that though.
This discussion seems to hold the killers too much at arm’s length. When asking how something like this happened, you should imagine yourselves into the shoes of the perpetrators. Don’t ask how it was that “they” could do it, ask how it was that another human being just like you could do it. It’s supposed to be scary, and it’s not supposed to make you feel good about yourself.
I think this is the approach Jung took when he discussed the shadow self, our darker instincts and potential for evil. I later learned that Jung was guilty of exploiting opportunities during that time and of expressing views that were Anti-Semitic---distancing himself from Freud, as well.
The most fascinating thing I've ever seen was in "Nazis: A Warning From History". A municipal archive was discovered in a small German town filled with letters from Germans accusing and betraying their fellow Jewish neighbors. It started with anonymous letters and concluded with genocide. I believe in a Marxist explanation. It was opportunism, thievery, and exploitation, pure and simple.
Indeed🙏
Exactly because we all could be Nazis , that is the only way to stop yourself from perpetrating horrors on another human being .
Peterson.
@@TheEleatic to simplify, Humanity has a permanent disease GEC, Greed, Ego and Corruption. Most of us manage to control it but some only need someone to direct us to loose complete control.
"When the chips are down these... civilized people, they will eat each other"
Civilization is not about building autobahns, cars or industries it is about accepting all men and women are equal and respecting everyone’s views. I don’t think these people are civilized in any form.
@@achuthiruku4458 I mean they were coming off from the defeat in ww1
Survival of the fittest
@ALEX MASON what does it actually mean?
@@mysticcity312 it's a line from the dark knight. Means people are bad
Three years later and what they are talking about has come true again.
I thought this was a pretty good, thought provoking presentation. However, it mostly concentrates on the idea that the Jewish people were almost the sole victims in the Holocaust. There were plenty of other people that were being rounded up, terrorized and eventually killed. The Russians and the Chinese lost about 20 million human beings per country in that war. That war, and the insanity that spread around the world because of it was very inclusive when it came to indiscriminate slaughter. I also think it was more than a bit naive of some of the presenters and the audience to laugh at a snarky reference to Trump’s remarks about the media being the enemy of the people as if such a thing was unthinkable. You can bet that the media in Germany before and during the war helped to create the psychological conditions amongst the populace to implement the goals of the Third Reich. Their was a constant onslaught of propaganda handed to the media to dispense by Joseph Goebbels and they did so without question as their existence depended on it. Goebbels had declared “There must be one public opinion for all.” He boasted about using the media “like a giant Wurlitzer.” Newspapers and especially radio had a profound influence on shaping the German public. You can be sure that no contrary opinions from the public were allowed and that those trying would be censored or severely punished. Does this sound at all familiar currently?
Yes knew a German who's family lived in Poland . The village evacuated and they were robbed , raped and persecuted . He wrote his memoirs but never published it wish he had . So many suffered and their suffering counts as well .
"The Russians and the Chinese lost about 20 million human beings per country in that war."
You are succumbing to a common error of not distinguishing between aggression, war crimes, war casualties, and GENOCIDE. The Russian and Chinese losses were not a result of genocide but of the war perpetrated on them by Nazi Germany and Japan. Another thing you don't understand is that human losses in a war are not evaluated by the absolute number of people killed but by its percentage of the total ethnic group's population. Russians lost about 15% of its population while the percentage of Jews systematically exterminated was 60% of the entire Jewish population of Europe.
Its easier to relate with your comment now that it is clear that for whoever wants to think that the media we think of today in western democracy is actually better modelled to be aligned as propaganda and not accountable to the people but to corporations, and governments and are driven with same elements as the media in Nazi times or wherever atrocities have been committed such as in Rwanda, China for decades and still happening. The consensus with big tech, social media giants and left wing or left leaning idealogy is worrying. There seems to be a dominance of left leaning ideologies in the the public discourse and if care is not taken , we may find ourselves in a near future there comes a higher cost to having a different view and not been aligned. Well, we already see it in sneaky ways but thats the thing it all starts with sneaky good reasons to term a group of people the other.Does this sound at all familiar currently?
@@theskeptic2798 I bet it is your firm belief that the Volksdeutcher plight was underrated while the Holocaust was overrated. Ever heard of false equivalence?
Satnim Roxnal I have no idea what you're talking about , I am not educated on the war . I watched the documentary and made a comment about a gentleman I cared for here in Australia . He was a child during the war and he wrote a book about his families experience . It was moving and sad as his family suffered so much losing his father and being on the verge of starvation . One of the many many victims of the war and indeed some suffering others brutally murdered . I was just mentioning his story , one of many .
I grew up with survivors. I could immediately tell if I had entered the home of one, as there was always a palpable undercurrent of grief and an odd quiet. Shirts and blouses often rode up on tattooed arms, and very often the children of survivors carried psychological scars. They were withdrawn, many were only children in an era of large families, and had an unnatural wariness that children pick up on readily, and shy away from, as well as a driven need for scholastic success that stood out.
That's really interesting, thanks.
@@Captain_MonsterFart I just read this and have to say that since posting, I've had a wealth of memories and sadness. You can't imagine what effect the experience had on me. I was the only shiksa for miles and laughed my way to better mental health with the bubbies and zaydis of American jews. Look look at dis face Rakel (Rachel) with my chin in someone's hand. Da map if Irelink on eet. An da brans, you should die from dem !! God I loved them and it made the other houses so much sadder. I still celebrate Seder, Sakut, Yom Kippur and Rosh Hoshana and am a mean driedel spinner !Hee ! Best wishes for your health and prosperity P
This world is not fair, as write now my family are in concentration camp in Addis Ababa in hotels and schools . they were rounded up because of their ethnicity .
Schalom und tiefes Bedauern .... die Enkel und Urenkel Deutschlands wiederholen heute die Sünden ihrer Nazi-unterstützenden Großeltern ... 1938-1945 standen sie dabei, während Geschäfte, Wohnungen usw. von Juden und anderen mitgenommen wurden mit Bankkonten usw. und verwendet, um das Vermögen aller Nazi-unterstützenden Deutschen zu 'stützen'. Sie weigerten sich, das Gas der Todeslager abzustellen, und heute ... werden diese Sünden heimgesucht, wie die Torah ... die Bibel sagt ... heute in der 3. und 4. deutschen Generation ... die in ihren bequemen Häusern und für den Profit ihrer Fabriken und Geschäfte ... Weigern Sie sich HEUTE, russisches Gas abzustellen. Jedes Mal, wenn eine deutsche Familie ihr Haus heizt und ihr Essen mit russischer Energie (Gas, Öl, Kohle) kocht, unterstützt sie direkt russische Truppen dabei, ukrainische Schulmädchen zu vergewaltigen (Wahrheit), und sie und ihre Familien dann zu ermorden. Während in Deutschland die öffentliche Bildung „die Gräueltaten der Nazi-Vergangenheit“ deutlich zeigt, „versagen“ sie daher sowohl in der 3. als auch in der 4. Generation, heute „moralisch hochstehende Integrität“ zu haben. Wenn zu 100% die gesamte russische Energie von den Deutschen nach Deutschland abgeschaltet würde .... zuerst würden sie ein neues "Reputations- und Geschichtskapitel" der neuen deutschen Moral schreiben ... und ... Putin und seine Freunde würden das Geld verlieren, das sie brauchen, um " Machtkontrolle über das russische Volk ... und der Krieg und die russische Mafia von Putin und 1500 Mitverschwörern ... würden die Versklavung des russischen Volkes beenden. Denken Sie daran ... Millionen ukrainischer Familien haben keine Heizung, und einige kochen draußen mit Holz, während russische Bombenanschläge zu hören sind. WO ist die deutsche 'Psyche und Moral'... wo ist dein Herz? Stellen Sie russische Brennstoffe sofort AUS ... oder wissen Sie, dass Jesus Christus das nächste Mal als richtiger Richter kommt ... und Sie werden nicht für immer entkommen, wenn Sie sagen: "Oh, es geht uns nichts an" ... Gott hat Ihre schwachen Ausreden satt ... drehen Sie sich um ... und hören Sie auf, die Sünden Ihrer Vorfahren aus dem 2. Weltkrieg zu wiederholen ... und schreiben Sie eine neue glorreiche Moralgeschichte des heutigen Deutschland! ... p.s. Sitzen Sie nicht in Ihrem warmen Zuhause und bei warmen Mahlzeiten ... und denken Sie, Sie werden nicht erwischt. Wenn Sie für immer und ewig in der Hölle schmoren, werden Sie sich nicht an diese gegenwärtigen „Trosttage des Profits“ erinnern, während ukrainische Kinder und Familien von Russland „ausgerottet“ werden.
Kanye West is a perfect example of a person capable of mass murder
And the United States is full of Kanye West's!
Well, Solzhenitsyn did a good job of first hand analysis of this subject. As did Viktor Frankl.
So did our 45th President. Just look at the dictatorial edicts of the 46th. As those abandoned in Afghanistan are currently wondering. We may not survive him and his gulag administration.
The most impressive and important book I’ve ever read is The Gulag Archipelago. I had nightmares reading that. It changed my thinking and understanding of so much.
@@deeprollingriver5820 you should also read 200 Years Together
@@imissnickplur4964 Wonder how long that comment is going to stay up!?
@@imissnickplur4964 you should read his last book. " How to spend 1200 on your knees in from of the Rurikids, Romanovs, Commies while still thinking you're Gods gift to the world and while blaming others for all your problems " Russia in a nutshell.
Yes we are repeating history now…
This is chilling as I hear practically what is brewing now.. we are in the perfect storm- with all the components that the Germans had. Does anyone see it!!!?
I think there are many who see it.
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Definitely!!!! History repeating itself. God help us all or at least help each other.
The "dehumanising " of those questioning any part of the Covid cult has already begun, there are people in society now who would gladly advocate that "anti vaxers" be locked up separated from the rest of society
@@badgerg994 Sadly, I'm observing the same phenomenon.
How many are here because of 2021?
I am
@EM Smith Please describe for us how the left has done anything at all fascist.
Democrats want a functioning government and a country where ALL Americans are equally regardless of color, race, sexual orientation, or religion (etc). Quite the opposite of fascism.
Every single day, hourly in fact, Fox News and other right wing "news" channels create an Us vs Them narrative which demonizes anyone on the left and boosts those on the right as saints, as the good guys, righteous. This has been their MO for decades, but it has grown even worse under Trump. That is stage 1 of fascism. Create a scapegoat for the country's problems (the left, immigrants, etc). Then turn them into "other"/ so they are seen as not human. Then say that scapegoat is taking something away from you or destroying the nation. This creates the justification for violence (see Capitol insurrection and Trump's Big Lie). People who are angry and fearful can be encouraged to do terrible things.
@EM Smith You should go back and research your terms: Look up "Fascism" (not "The Fascism", just "Fascism"), "the Left", "the Right", "the Democrat Playbook", and "Hitler's obsession" would make a good start. After you've done your hard research, you should be able to articulate exactly why you're here, Chief
Donald Trump's Populist White Nationalist Conservative/Proto-Fascist Make America Great Again/America First Movement that took over the Conservative Republican Party during the Primaries in 2015
@@CyberspacedLoner college professors have your little brain on lock lol
Jeremiah 17:9The heart deceitful above all , and desperately wicked: who can know it?
But God…..
@@spoolsandbobbins Yes Heidi and God's Son Yeshua
we are literally watching this happen all over the world again
So sad that we seem to repeat the same mistakes over and over again, never learning, never asking questions, always following, afraid to speak up.
I really hope we are not heading into another holocaust or worse.
If the Republican Party in America has its way, we won’t know what happened in the past so as not to repeat them again. They want to censor reading material now, they want to stop teaching the ugly parts of our history & pretend it never happened. it’s scaring as hell.
@@lzrd8460 what??? Lol, why would you think that, links? Where you get your info?
It's the same story, over and over and over again, all throughout history. How could you think that? Well, let's see ... Book burnings and banning in public schools. An emphasis on nationalism and the traditional family, the demonizing of trans, queer people in general, labeling them as pedophiles, as well as teachers! Librarians and attacks on the libraries themselves. Slowly eroding away at our trusted institutions. The slow legal coup, by way of vote suppression as well as changes in who or how the people meant to uphold the people's vote, how it can be changed, all the legal loopholes and changes in every single form of elected office, to slowly but surely put in place a minority rule, hidden by what may appear to be legal ... These people, they think this is a new idea 😅 WE'RE the new idea, not this repetitive failure of thought. We're the new idea. More successful and risen to power in such a short time than at least most, maybe all, empires, and these people want to throw it all away for money, power, and their hatred. The thing they should study is accounts of people, just like them, who did this, helped this come, in the past, and what really happened. How it worked out for them. Everyone falls. That's always the same, as well. How long, how fast can, could it be, before the trans, gays, etc..., Are in death camps?? From the start of this, I have had this dread in the pit of my stomach. This is how it happened. We are in a rare position to understand it, so pay attention.
Happening now. Same process.
@@materialgirl007 I've tried twice to reply to tell you & youtube has deleted my comment. I can tell you elsewhere, but TH-cam is censoring the information.
@@materialgirl007 good for you for pointing out the ridiculousness of those comments- when you compare -being considerate of others during a pandemic with genocide it pretty much outs yourself as a pretty damaged person.
I was at the Museum doing research in late August upstairs in the Library, just missed what turns out to be a fascinating conversation. I actually bought Ordinary Men at the bookstore. Thank God for You Tube and the Museum for all that you do!
History is repeating as we speak
I’m struck by a line from Peter Frankopan’s ‘The Silk Roads’. When the Nazis went into Poland ‘fifteen of the twenty five commanders of the squads instructed to seek out and annihilate the upper levels of society had doctorates, mostly in law or philosophy’. That line always struck me.
@@BasementEngineer Katyn was the Soviets, yes. My point is that the ‘educated’ led Nazi squads engaged in the same activity.
Most people will just listen to whatever an authority figure tells them to do.
That's what most people think of most people.
Stanley Milgram (1963) proved that in his obedience experiment.
@@sg639 I was going to say that
"The Roots of Violence" is a good book which describes children who have a brutal parent, such as Hitler, grow up numbing all their human feelings, just to survive. Hitler's father beat him up violently. Many of the perpetrators of Hitler's violence were probably adults who similarly suppressed their pain from childhood, by numbness and complete absence of human empathy
@@mreneangel9775 power seeking guy. But one thing stands out. He was incredibly succesful at ruling other and manupilating others.
Hitler had five siblings, four of whom died during childhood. When he served in World War 1 his division had a 90% casualty rate. His mother died young of breast cancer. Those are facts. Blaming Hitler's father is conjecture.
NO ! I say this emphatically because I was beaten almost everyday by teachers from the first day of school at the age of 5 until I was about 10 and now at the age of almost 60 feel humane to others and only want to help other human beings. I want to be kind and loving to the good people of earth as for the terrible people such as those teaching that vaccines are a great thing I simply turn my back on them and avoid them, I do not go out of my way to hurt them I just inform others of their shameful behaviour and warn them. To say humanity can be beaten out of someone is not true otherwise I would be a monster today.
@@moonshiner2977 i have a very similar experience and so i can absolutely verify how authentically your story is to me. There is no question that behavior at a young age installs circuits that you have to really work on to be able to overcome that - like you said - otherwise you could easily become a monster - it is why abusing children is such a horrific crime
Do you run to jesus christ the light of the world. Or to darkness and evil that will eventually lead to a eternal hell. Or do we look to the rock jesus christ higher than our selves. Hope we look to love and not hate. God is great healer for all hurts if we give it to him, we can overcome the past hurts by his love for us.
Honestly I think it was much more simple. People feared reprisal for non compliance. The SS only had to punish a few to keep the majority in line.
Sounds eerily familiar
Exactly. At least 2/3 people on this panel would be "perpetrators" themselves. They just need the proper targets.
Yes. But many low power people, most of population, felt power from snitch lines. Suddenly had power theyd never had before. Same occuring today in the West.
"Kill the chicken to terrify the monkey" Chinese proverb (maybe I misquoted it, but you get the meaning)
Just. Like. Today.
Maybe I missed it, but has the question been asked, “Did being a CHRISTIAN country play any part in how these people thought?” I am a Christian, and I cannot understand how so many people, who I presume considered themselves Christian, did not see that what they did, or went along with, was hugely at odds with the teaching of their faith. And it’s not just history. A woman from my Bible Study, definitely a Christian believer, and a German, said to me when we were discussing the holocaust, “Yes, but you know the Jews are terrible people.” 😩😭
its all about a warm loving heart , Love one God and your neighbours like yourself , some were christians by name only .
There is no such thing as a Christian country. Most countries are secular, and definitely all European countries during WWII were secular. Yet the majority of people in those countries who worshipped were Christian. All members of the Nazi Party were Christians. Hitler was a Christian.
Are you aware of the behaviors of Christian missionaries throughput Africa, Asia, and the Americas as those areas were being colonized by Europe? They helped to create hell on earth for the people there.
Christianity's history is pretty bloody and brutal.
She's not a ''Christian' if that is her view point. She's merely pretending to be. To be a 'Christian' is to be 'Like-Christ' (A Jew) so if one has these feelings towards Jews, then she has these feelings towards Christ. Which, is inherently antithetical to being 'Like Christ)
@@BasementEngineer The 'Jews" literally had no central government or military in 1933 from which to launch a war. But ok.
maybe she read some of those jewish non-bible religious books where they say terrible things about jesus and christians. and all non jews are animals, only there to serve jews, etc. Did you ask her why she said it?
Watching interviews with past guards, I noticed their very provincial accents. I think another element is that many guards etc. came from very humble rural backgrounds, and were immensely proud to have a uniform to wear and power to wield.
How did murders become normal citizen again
Denazification ... Americans educated them
Yes that is the question!!!!! How did they?!?!
They always give themselves an excuse to justify the killings. Whether it be a religious excuse like, holy war, Killing of the infidel. ( how could killing the devil, the infidel) be wrong? Same with the Catholics and their heretic burning at the stake, and constant attempts to put a Catholic queen on the the throne of England.
Religions are tribes, (Races) when they are very fundamentalist and don’t marry outside of their religion. They will and do try to take territorial control of countries.
They didn’t get caught... And let Americans think they won WW2! The Nazi phenomenon was a reaction to something more evil, more subtle.
@@adamcampbellart okay question let America think they won? Can you explain a little bit on this topic? Thank you....
When I visited the museum I felt that it was a Holy place. Many tears are shed there and prayers said. Many prayers prayed asking for forgivness.
He says, "When asking a question, please don't make a speech." Ralph Blumenthal is a very wise man, and thoroughly educated on this topic, obviously, but he's not a moderator. Throughout this discussion, he wasn't asking questions. He was stating his own conclusions and asking the guest scholars to agree with him. He is a powerful speaker on the history of the holocaust, and he should himself have been a guest, not a moderator. Still, I learned a lot from all three.
My father fought against the Nazis in WW2. He had already experienced the atrocities of war but when he saw a concentration camp his legs gave way and he fell to his knees when he saw the condition of the Jewish people. He was, never able to talk much about it and had nightmares the rest of his life. Being a kind and tender person I don't think he was well suited for war in the first place. My mother's current husband was far better able to process that time in his life and proudly displays his medals and photos from his time in the military and still has his rifle.
My Daddy was there and said he couldn’t believe the people had survived, because they were in such bad condition.
Would of liked to have listened to the gentleman who was an eye witness. That guy has some stories to tell. Bless him may be tell his stories and share the history of this horrific time.
We also NEED to remember this:
Everything before the 1970s was more violent in daily life: The way, you brought up your children, the way, women were regarded, the way, animals were treated, the way, European society looked upon far-away places and their peoples. With THAT level of approved violence and racism/stereotypes, getting worse was NOT that long a trip, as some might think...😯😖🤦♂️😱
We MUST individually remain vigilant so history never again be allowed to repeat itself. We must NEVER EVER allow ANYTHING of such nature to EVER happen again ANYWHERE!
💌 I once heard the phrase "Never forget" in regards to The Holocaust was to Never forget what horrors humans can do to each other.
Be an upstander not a bystander.
May those that perished not have died in vein.
Thank you #UnitedStatesHolocaustMemorialMuseum for all you are doing.
You are all appreciated and loved.
🙏, CC 🤍
Thank you for posting!
Never forget,,until they do.
Bosnia, 94
Vain not vein
Its happening right now
Excellent debate. Enjoyed it enormously. Thoughts and prayers for everyone who died in the Holocaust from Ireland.
When we look at another person as different from us, rather than like us, we can award ourselves with more virtuous qualities.
You we are programmed idiots. You only know what they trained you to know. And what you think about.
In my experience, it's a finer line than one thinks, between a nation converted to killing
Than a nation that never makes that leap
This goes for individuals as well
I think there was a lot of jealous Germans because the Jewish were often well off and there were a lot of poor Germans.
One of the 7 Deadly Sins is Envy. Success, whether in house size or ability are overt tags non-religious people stigmatize with. This base society lacked trade
economic practice from Mediterranean years of middle, near, and Far East. Jealous & and Envious , they lost temper, and stole, murdered. as a primitive
legal society. Court law must punish gun owners today, but local juries are
often uneducated poorer , desiring material property they can’t afford. Do the crime, pay the fine and do the time ? Church learning Ten Commandments draws the line , hungry or rich. Love Jesus & he’ll return that love.
Excellent conference! Thank you!
Somebody ought to be interviewing people like that death camp survivor that knew so much but heads a little time to speak. He was making a serious contribution, even though it wasn’t planned.
I've asked my self this same question all my life & lived to see my question answered in its simplest form during 2020.
My great grandfather was a great hero during the war & is in the yad vashim ,it was possible to not go along with the zeitgeist & be true to your own personal humanity.
war does not make anyone a hero or a great person
sorry
soldiers are all dumb dogs
The Stanford Prison Experiment... “ it was intended to measure the effect of role-playing, labeling, and social expectations on behavior over a period of two weeks. However, mistreatment of prisoners escalated so alarmingly that the principal investigator Phillip G Zimbardo terminated the experiment after only six days.“
all a stage show
Milgram's Shock Experiment too.
Ordinary people gave enough electricity to kill someone, simply because someone in authority didn't stop them from doing so
Later examination shows that certain "guards" were instructed to be as harsh in their behaviour as possible as opposed to just acting like ordinary guards. but I agree in principle with what you say.
@@anaisabelpais7389 They were told that it was of the utmost importance to the experiment. Appalling how compliant they were.
Some will just do what they’re told without question.
Others question at great personal cost.
We seem to be at a similar juncture currently….
The psychology of propaganda is highly effective. I have great anxiety about our future, especially for the young.
The wolf’s been at the door for a long time. But now he’s in everyone’s hen house. Whether disguised as a sheep or Granny, deception is his trademark.
It has happened in every civilization if you dig into the past.
"Every step of the way they found compliance"...
" All the conditioning and cognitive dissonance"....
"Dehumanisation took place, the victims were not seen as human"
"Expell them from community"
"It's fear"
How Did Ordinary Citizens Become Murderers? Because they have no difference. They are human. Psychologist divided ordinary students to two groups. One is prisoner group, the other is prison guard group. Prison guards just came evil persons.
That is the worst take on what happened with that experiment. Go Read Books
Indeed, as Solzhenitsyn said, the capacity for unspeakable evil is a thread that runs through all of us.
i believe you are referring to the stanford prison studies and yes that is a piece of this puzzle - oh - i see Stan already noted that
Stanford prison experiment was flawed and has been debunked.
Fear had a great motivating force to cooperate with the leaders so as to save themselves from the suffering falling on them.
Did the religion of these perpetrators mean anything to them?
I've always struggled to work this out , this helped alot .
Very informative...thank you for this presentation
It's was state authorized murders. Almost all of their actions were legal.
Correct , i believe a sizable contingent of the Einstazgruppen were lawyers or trained in the law, which was convenient in the legal sterilization process.
@@pjpredhomme7699 You are correct, Einstrazgruppen not everyone knows these were systematically murdering German citizens and from every other country Nazi's occupied.
Not really legal in God's eyes.
Any different than attacking a country who isn't attacking you? They'll always come up with a justification.
@@cherrybell2995 mandatory injections is not ethical nor legal yet the divide begins
This is happening in America today. The very rich and political leaders are dehumanizing the average non essential population. And we are allowing this to happen like lambs to the slaughter.
Wtf are you even talking about? How can you compare capitalism to a genoside? What a dumb comment.
@@arktana How is capitalism being compared lol? Nothing even referenced. What is being referred to is the demonization of 75 million people who voted for Trump and calling for society's re-education. How books are being removed, and the rise of cancel culture because of people and businesses not willing to be woke. Significant racial divides rather than unity and a fast track to tribalism on a scale I have never seen.
No not the rich .....more like the politicians
@@kolack1985 That’s actually funny. So people who were more than happy to support a leader who constantly used us vs. them mentalities, dehumanised Latino migrants, muslims and wasn’t brave enough to call the Neo-Nazis of Charlettsville by their name now think that they are “dehumanised” just because people call them out for their backwards, anti democratic and often racist opinions. Sorry but if you really think this you should either go to a Holocaust museum or get a plane ticket to Germany as soon as COVID is over and educate yourself what really happened. You will see that your comparison is just pointless and belittles the suffering of Holocaust victims.
non essential population ????????
Kind of seeing the same thing unfold here in the u.s
its already happened. The civil rights movement, immigrants hunted like animals in the southwest, abu garib, George Floyd's murder.
US has a fighting spirit in Republican opposition, Canada is truly doomed! 😢
No
@@johnindigo5477 how is any of these examples related to the holocaust
Now we no wonder have to wonder. We are watching it in real-time.
Because there are many people in powerful positions across the world who are personality disordered, from psychopaths, sociopaths to narcissists on a spectrum, as industry and big organisations treasure and value these types of people for their non empathetic characteristics. A fictional character who portrays this , who many follow when another film is released, is James Bond...
Each of us needs to ask ourselves how we could unwittingly follow this path of viewing other beings as inhuman in order to feel better ourselves. May we all learn without repeating hell.
Listen to the things they say about those who choose not to be vaccinated.
Well we are witnessing that in real life.
Power is why people will participate in a ideology based on defining who is the better class of human being and who has the right to live or die. People want to be part of those who are the perpertrators not the victims. Power over others has been the driving force behind the deaths of millions and this behaviour crosses all levels of various countries including so called democracies.
Or they just want to get along or survive,. So much so, they inadvertently give up their souls, the moral ability to do or be "good"
It is because the heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it?
It's a choice my friend. And the heart doesn't think. It's a muscle it starts in the brain. But of course in the second century they thought all decisions and thinking came from the heart not the brain. People can choose good they have the ability.
@@lydiamalone1859 the Bible isn’t a scientific document per se.The heart represents the emotional motivations of a person( love , hate etc).If the heart isn’t trained it’s capable of rationalizing a person immoral thoughts and actions.
@@anthonylemkendorf3114 I know what they thought it stood for. if there's one thing I despise it's Cherry picked versus outside of their context. If it's not possible to change then how can scripture also encourages us to take every thought captive and make it obedient? so is it possible or not or our hearts just desperately wicked and we can't change that? Is there free will or not?
@@lydiamalone1859 How is it taken out of context? Verse 7 talk about man being blessed then verse 8 which you're talking about: The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it?
Verse 9 is: I, Jehovah, search the mind, I try the heart, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.
@@DreamingDarlin who is speaking? Who is the particular audience? And what is the occasion?
So if we are also told to take every thought captive and make it obedient, how could we possibly do that since our "hearts" are totally deceitful? And how could we possibly strive to be perfect like our heavenly father is perfect? And are you totally "unable" to know yourself? Is that determined or do you have free will choice? I will add that I am exceedingly grateful when people tell me these things because I know then to avoid them because they are deceitful and truly believe they can't help it.
And look what is happening 3 years on from this video. Thank you for this. Never forget
"And look what is happening 3 years on from this video." Pray tell all...what is happening????
@@Poshypaws I think you know mocker
@@thetopcat8946 No, make it clear rather than revert to a trite assertion. However, I am unsure whether you are telling me that I know some individual called Mocker; or whether you claim that you are being mocked? Or telling me my place of birth in Leipzig? Tell me what is happening!? I am curious to hear your view.
@@Poshypaws Why don't you go and look for yourself? I know what I know. I just don't cast pearls before swines
I don't need to answer to you. Get over yourself 🤔🙄
Kids follow other kids in crime bulling why do kids go along with the bully.
Self preservation its all about self
It all boils down to ones fear, fear of death.
& here we go again!