I do use the 75mm on my RZ however it is the SB version (Short Barel) with the bellows interface. This is a great combo if you are looking for more movements (tilt, shift & pan).
There is also the Mamiya Tilt/Shift adapter for use with short barrel lenses. Since you're talking about shifting on the Mamiya it should be in the conversation.
Very true, but I didnt consider it at the time of recording, the shift and tilt adapter itself is more than the 75 shift in price and then one has to find the SB lenses which are getting really hard to find. But it is a interesting option.
You said that RB backs will not fit on a 4x5" camera. Not so. I have a 4x5" Graflok sliding back that will take those roll film backs AND it has a ground glass, too. Side it one way and you compose on the ground glass / slide it the other way and the roll film back is in exactly the same position as the ground glass was. A very cool tool.
I am glad you did this video Nico, I was thinking in getting a shift lens for my Pentax 6x7 for fixing the problems I have when shooting buildings but I also wanted to start with large format. I wonder I could put those medium format backs on the 4x5 Intrepid camera, it could be a good starting point without spending much money. Thanks
Yes, the Intrepid has a graflock back so they do work! I also have the shift for the Pentax, its even harder to use properly, due to the lack of hotshoe to level the camera, you need the grip and then its one more thing.
@@NicosPhotographyShow In the end I have got yesterday the 75mm shift lens for the Pentax 6x7, not understanding very well the double aperture ring!! Anyway I am looking forward to put my hands in a Graflex. This week I saw in a shop a kind of mini-Graflex I think it shoots in 3.1/4 x 4.1/4 , I suppose the 4x5 negative should be cut for fitting in this case. Many thanks Nico for the effort you do working with the news and the other videos you make.
Wait, I'm curious how this works. I have an Intrepid 4x5. Thinking about getting an RZ67 pro ii. Are you saying I can use a RZ67 pro 120 back directly with my Intrepid 4x5 because both use a Graflok connector? That's incredible! I'd like to shoot 6x9 or even ideally 6x10 on roll film with my Intrepid... What sort of film back do I buy? Thanks Nico!
In short yes and no. If you already have a Mamiya system then yes - make sure you buy the short barrel lenses and the adaptor so you can still use them without the tilt/shift. No. Get yourself a Fuji GX system as I prefer this over my old RZ - ensuring it is not the IIIs as this has no movements on the front. The difference is not in the size of the negative per se but the for the fact you can use all of the lenses save for three when altering the focal plane and you have swing too - and more importantly than all of that it is cheaper and even more importantly than all of that it is bigger and bigger is always better!!!!!
@@NicosPhotographyShow I juts hate the fact that you cannot use the Lee Filter system & still use ride/fall because of those lens bars. You can just get the lee holders onto the lens but only in a way that orientates the filter in portrait mode which means the cone on the Cambo is in shift mode. You can still put filters in and use rise/fall but only such things as reds/yellows or other universal filters. The ND grads can only be used without any movements or shift only. A shame really.
Hi, thanks for this video! I am planning to buy Mamiya 50 f4 shift. How is that one on Mamiya 645 pro? Do you know is that lens produce good image quality?
One nit to pick: you keep referring to 4x5" cameras such as a Crown Graphic or Speed Graphic as a "Graflex". A Graflex camera has a mirror in the body (like a Mamiya RB/RZ camera) so I don't really think that was what you intended. BTW, I own an RB-67 and a Crown Graphic and an R.B. Auto Graflex so I'm familiar with all three systems.
nico also one thing you forget, if you get 'field cameras' like a linhof (tech 3, NOT the V or recent 3000 series), these can't take anything wider than 120 or 90 mm lenses, the tech V can, just, as it has a twin drop bed (30 deg. not 15deg. of the older models), and the 'top track' has a focus rail onto which the standard goes, so you can get reasonable focus throw. the others can't as the 15 deg. drop still means the angle of view of the 65 mm lenses is still too wide (the bed will still be in the shot!); and you are limited to the focus bellows adaptor on the standard!, I seem to recall is only 1/2 - 1" long? One theory in this space is that you use a Mamiya RB/RZ 67 or even a Hasselblad/Bronica 6x4.5/6x6 camera to take the wide lenses, as they CAN, and do the movements, and long shots with the Linhof/wista/Shen hao cameras, as they have bellows focus, movements etc. in effect carry two systems, and use each tool for their best scenario.
If you attach a roll film back to a 4x5 how do you accurately compose or do you guess where the 6x7 framelines are? And since you’re shooting on a smaller frame doesn’t that zoom in the lens so it’s no longer wide?
Graflex CrownGraphic is a good 4x5 to use with wide lenses. Graflex Speed Graphics, on the other hand, has an additional shutter that makes it physically longer and thus it is more difficult to use with wide lenses -- sometimes you cannot get the lens close enough the film. I use Graflex Crown Graphic with a 75mm Nikkor for landscapes often with a 6x12 120 film back. As you explained, a good combination for a lot of purposes! I doubt that combination would work with a Speed since I need to push the bellows all the way in to get to the infinity.
Very interesting topic. I have also been wondering about this. Now I am pleased that I also have a 4x5 camera. And I also found out that the the lense is made for RZ and not my RB67.
Thanks for video. I'm end up with idea that same setup (with 4x5 Chamonix) is THE BEST for digital technical photography (+ you can shoot film opposite for example to ACTUS which is digital only solution) on a budget. Combined with Fujifilm GFX camera it is pretty cheap setup, aside from lenses. For example wide angle (23, 28, 35) Rodenstock HD Digaron lenses specifically for 33x44 sensors can cost more than 6-7 grands. Can somebody suggest digital-ready large format lenses with similar focal lengths, but not cost a ton. GFX cameras has mechanical shutter in the body so aperture only lenses can be used (not quite sure there are one without shutter though). Btw I'm GX680 owner and it can be alternative to Mamiya + TS, but it is very very heavy compared to Chamonix. And there is no way you can adapt GFX to GX680 system without loosing infinity focus :(
I never understood why they didn’t use a 45-50mm focal length got the shift lens. It’s a wonderful lens, but you’re correct, you do have to get back quite a bit for large subjects
Nicos Photography Show True. I guess it’s easy for us to have these second guessed/imaginary lenses and realize later that the engineers actually knew something. Haha
After shooting two gothic cathedrals and a romanic church today with my Hasselblad 500c/m and a 50mm f4 lens, I ordered a Sinar F 4x5, and a Horseman 6x9 back. But I can't decide which wide angle lens to buy, a 75mm or a 65mm. @@NicosPhotographyShow
This is a great video idea, there are some RZ lenses that don't get much attention: 75 Shift, 180 Soft, 100-200 Zoom. Good points about the RZ shift setup being bigger and heavier than a 4x5 field camera. As you pointed out, a 6x9 or 6x9 roll film back on a field camera really would maybe be the best of both worlds for the advice seeker.
Im working on a all technical medium format cameras, so will cover as much as possible in that one. But the GX680 is awesome but by no way smaller than a RZ67 with a shift lens.
@@NicosPhotographyShow Yeah, a gx680 is great for architecture with the front standard movements. The waist level finder would likely be faster than using ground glass and a roll film back on a 4x5.
No matter how odd any item is, Nico have covered it already. Superb film support.
Excellent video, love Mamiya Sekor 75mm Shift,many thanks Nico!
I do use the 75mm on my RZ however it is the SB version (Short Barel) with the bellows interface. This is a great combo if you are looking for more movements (tilt, shift & pan).
There is also the Mamiya Tilt/Shift adapter for use with short barrel lenses. Since you're talking about shifting on the Mamiya it should be in the conversation.
Very true, but I didnt consider it at the time of recording, the shift and tilt adapter itself is more than the 75 shift in price and then one has to find the SB lenses which are getting really hard to find. But it is a interesting option.
great little video .... but would be really awesome if you showed some examples of architecture shot on the RZ67. You must have some .... right?
Yeah, you can search Mamiya Shift and you will find one video of me shooting with it.
You said that RB backs will not fit on a 4x5" camera. Not so. I have a 4x5" Graflok sliding back that will take those roll film backs AND it has a ground glass, too. Side it one way and you compose on the ground glass / slide it the other way and the roll film back is in exactly the same position as the ground glass was. A very cool tool.
Great video which covered a lot of my questions in mind!
Thanks! Thats the whole plan with this new segment.
Also, most of these 75 (both versions) seem to have an issue with lens cement separation/haze
Some 180mm too, I think we are reaching some of the quality limits in terms of age and storage. Sadly.
You scared me. I just had a look on my 75mm it looks good as gold!
I am glad you did this video Nico, I was thinking in getting a shift lens for my Pentax 6x7 for fixing the problems I have when shooting buildings but I also wanted to start with large format. I wonder I could put those medium format backs on the 4x5 Intrepid camera, it could be a good starting point without spending much money. Thanks
Yes, the Intrepid has a graflock back so they do work! I also have the shift for the Pentax, its even harder to use properly, due to the lack of hotshoe to level the camera, you need the grip and then its one more thing.
Thanks for your message. I appreciate the info, I will have I look to those backs.
@@NicosPhotographyShow In the end I have got yesterday the 75mm shift lens for the Pentax 6x7, not understanding very well the double aperture ring!! Anyway I am looking forward to put my hands in a Graflex. This week I saw in a shop a kind of mini-Graflex I think it shoots in 3.1/4 x 4.1/4 , I suppose the 4x5 negative should be cut for fitting in this case. Many thanks Nico for the effort you do working with the news and the other videos you make.
Wait, I'm curious how this works. I have an Intrepid 4x5. Thinking about getting an RZ67 pro ii. Are you saying I can use a RZ67 pro 120 back directly with my Intrepid 4x5 because both use a Graflok connector? That's incredible! I'd like to shoot 6x9 or even ideally 6x10 on roll film with my Intrepid... What sort of film back do I buy? Thanks Nico!
They wont work like that. Send a request and I will answer it all in a Super Film Support episode.
In short yes and no. If you already have a Mamiya system then yes - make sure you buy the short barrel lenses and the adaptor so you can still use them without the tilt/shift. No. Get yourself a Fuji GX system as I prefer this over my old RZ - ensuring it is not the IIIs as this has no movements on the front. The difference is not in the size of the negative per se but the for the fact you can use all of the lenses save for three when altering the focal plane and you have swing too - and more importantly than all of that it is cheaper and even more importantly than all of that it is bigger and bigger is always better!!!!!
Love your detailed comment and the ending! Because bigger is better 🤣
Cambo 650 plus 6x12 - 6x9 & 6x7 roll film backs is my preferred option. Super compact, versatile and bullet proof. With shift/rise.
Have been using a Cambo Wide 650 and it is awesome.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I juts hate the fact that you cannot use the Lee Filter system & still use ride/fall because of those lens bars. You can just get the lee holders onto the lens but only in a way that orientates the filter in portrait mode which means the cone on the Cambo is in shift mode. You can still put filters in and use rise/fall but only such things as reds/yellows or other universal filters. The ND grads can only be used without any movements or shift only. A shame really.
Hadnt thought of that. It seems like a bummer. Might want to have a look at Alvandi cameras, as they have shift and tilt and allow filters.
Hi, thanks for this video! I am planning to buy Mamiya 50 f4 shift. How is that one on Mamiya 645 pro? Do you know is that lens produce good image quality?
The 50mm is a great lens. I havent used it myself but have heard good things.
I like thos idea I did more product, macro & architectural. I would like to make use of a large wooden bellows cam on 4x6” to 6x7cm 120.
One nit to pick: you keep referring to 4x5" cameras such as a Crown Graphic or Speed Graphic as a "Graflex".
A Graflex camera has a mirror in the body (like a Mamiya RB/RZ camera) so I don't really think that was what you intended.
BTW, I own an RB-67 and a Crown Graphic and an R.B. Auto Graflex so I'm familiar with all three systems.
nico also one thing you forget, if you get 'field cameras' like a linhof (tech 3, NOT the V or recent 3000 series), these can't take anything wider than 120 or 90 mm lenses, the tech V can, just, as it has a twin drop bed (30 deg. not 15deg. of the older models), and the 'top track' has a focus rail onto which the standard goes, so you can get reasonable focus throw. the others can't as the 15 deg. drop still means the angle of view of the 65 mm lenses is still too wide (the bed will still be in the shot!); and you are limited to the focus bellows adaptor on the standard!, I seem to recall is only 1/2 - 1" long?
One theory in this space is that you use a Mamiya RB/RZ 67 or even a Hasselblad/Bronica 6x4.5/6x6 camera to take the wide lenses, as they CAN, and do the movements, and long shots with the Linhof/wista/Shen hao cameras, as they have bellows focus, movements etc. in effect carry two systems, and use each tool for their best scenario.
Yes! Watching this NOW! I was looking at one of those last week on KEH.
Haha! Thanks, they are awesome, but not a small lens for sure.
If you attach a roll film back to a 4x5 how do you accurately compose or do you guess where the 6x7 framelines are? And since you’re shooting on a smaller frame doesn’t that zoom in the lens so it’s no longer wide?
Where did you get the kodak bag from?
I once got a big lot of film from Germany, it came inside this bag. By the way, from Ebay.
Graflex CrownGraphic is a good 4x5 to use with wide lenses. Graflex Speed Graphics, on the other hand, has an additional shutter that makes it physically longer and thus it is more difficult to use with wide lenses -- sometimes you cannot get the lens close enough the film. I use Graflex Crown Graphic with a 75mm Nikkor for landscapes often with a 6x12 120 film back. As you explained, a good combination for a lot of purposes! I doubt that combination would work with a Speed since I need to push the bellows all the way in to get to the infinity.
great video !!
Very interesting topic. I have also been wondering about this. Now I am pleased that I also have a 4x5 camera. And I also found out that the the lense is made for RZ and not my RB67.
Yeah, the RB67 doesnt have the option. But a 6x7 back for your 4x5 is a good option.
Thanks for video.
I'm end up with idea that same setup (with 4x5 Chamonix) is THE BEST for digital technical photography (+ you can shoot film opposite for example to ACTUS which is digital only solution) on a budget. Combined with Fujifilm GFX camera it is pretty cheap setup, aside from lenses. For example wide angle (23, 28, 35) Rodenstock HD Digaron lenses specifically for 33x44 sensors can cost more than 6-7 grands.
Can somebody suggest digital-ready large format lenses with similar focal lengths, but not cost a ton. GFX cameras has mechanical shutter in the body so aperture only lenses can be used (not quite sure there are one without shutter though).
Btw I'm GX680 owner and it can be alternative to Mamiya + TS, but it is very very heavy compared to Chamonix. And there is no way you can adapt GFX to GX680 system without loosing infinity focus :(
120 backs on a 4x5 is a great idea, another alternative could be the Fujifilm GX680 but again will still be a big kit
Yeah, the Gx680 is awesome, but two beasts in size.
Interesting information. Thanks for sharing
Thanks!!
I never understood why they didn’t use a 45-50mm focal length got the shift lens. It’s a wonderful lens, but you’re correct, you do have to get back quite a bit for large subjects
Yeah, a 50mm 6x7 shift lens would have been my dream. But imagine how big it would have been? After seeing the size of the 75mm.
Nicos Photography Show True. I guess it’s easy for us to have these second guessed/imaginary lenses and realize later that the engineers actually knew something. Haha
Is there a shift lens option for the RB67?
Yes
A Sinar F2 sells around 700 euros and a Sinar F around 300 euros. Is it worth it or is the extra 400 euros better spent on lenses?
I would say lenses are always a better investment, havent used the original F to say its much better or worse, so cant say much.
After shooting two gothic cathedrals and a romanic church today with my Hasselblad 500c/m and a 50mm f4 lens, I ordered a Sinar F 4x5, and a Horseman 6x9 back. But I can't decide which wide angle lens to buy, a 75mm or a 65mm. @@NicosPhotographyShow
Nice! For a 6x9 back you should have a nice circle with both. I would suggest wider is better if its a 6x9 back.
This is a great video idea, there are some RZ lenses that don't get much attention: 75 Shift, 180 Soft, 100-200 Zoom.
Good points about the RZ shift setup being bigger and heavier than a 4x5 field camera. As you pointed out, a 6x9 or 6x9 roll film back on a field camera really would maybe be the best of both worlds for the advice seeker.
another option would be fuji gx680
Im working on a all technical medium format cameras, so will cover as much as possible in that one. But the GX680 is awesome but by no way smaller than a RZ67 with a shift lens.
The answer is a Fuji GX680 mkiii 🤗
Its an awesome camera. But nothing close to "small"
@@NicosPhotographyShow Yeah, a gx680 is great for architecture with the front standard movements. The waist level finder would likely be faster than using ground glass and a roll film back on a 4x5.
You said that 1 lb is 2.2 kilos, NOT.
Good to know. Its the other way round? Never finished school...
@@NicosPhotographyShow Yes, it's the other way around
I have one of those 75mm I need to sell for cheap.
I have thought of selling mine but its almost not worth it.
You probably mean to screw up rather then to screw ... bet hey thats all good :)
I usually screw up ;)
Nicos Photography Show everyone does; part of the experience
1 kg = 2.2 lbs
Yeah, been trying to memorize it.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I don't blame you for not knowing it! It's just us that's weird!
1 pound is 2.2 kilos? lmao