Lotr: Rise to War - Worst state the game has ever been in? (Rant)
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I think a lot of the problems of this game can be fixed by going back to the basics. Every single player who still plays this game and who I talk to, wants to play a Season 2 style campaign. No upgrading of keeps, no immensely difficult 300 tiles that give whales a huge advantage in the early game, no broken neutral units that only spawn in limited regions, no 3 skills that need to be fully upgraded for each unit, no ridiculous xp requirements to reach lv 50. Among the vast useless options that they offer in Bag End, Season 2 is not even a choice. Why? Let's face it: the average mobile game consumer who plays this type of game, does not want to spend 3 weeks playing multiple hours each day to barely get one level 50 commander and then get rolled by a strong team and have nothing to do until the end of the season. That's not appealing. They went wrong when they decided to drag out the early game farm, split the playerbase to RP and NRP, stopped reworking commanders fluidly and focused their efforts on a bunch of bizarre new campaigns that no one wants to play. These are problems that can be fixed easily. I remember that a lot of these bad changes happened right after season 2, and a large amount of experienced players were extremely confused by them, including myself. No one had ever mentioned dragging out the early game farm, because it is a chore that is not enjoyable to the majority of the playerbase. I still have no idea why such a poor decision was made in this regard. And they stubbornly continue to go into this direction. The keep buffs for teams who dominate have essentially made it impossible to mount any form of comeback or have fun PvP later on in the season. That's where they went really wrong in my opinion. Things like the respect hammer, rebalancing commanders, etc. are nice of course, but the biggest issue that this game has are the campaigns. If this is not fixed, players will continue to leave, because neither the winning side, nor the losing side has an enjoyable experience. The War of the Ring and Rangers Rise are complete disasters. Every single second spent on this, was a complete waste of time and shows that the developers do not play the game themselves. The resources that the developer team have should be used in an alternative way. That's the first baby step that needs to be taken to even begin talking about implementing all of the other things that players are complaining about.
Hi Matics! Lol
I think that's partly cause it feels like we had way more players on every server at that point. I remember us having like 3 full fellowships and then some in Gondor in s2. Instead they keep opening new servers that mostly seem to lack new players, it's mostly people replaying from s1, or just quiet af, which is sad. Those resources could be used to let us have/support larger player base in a single server. Bleh.
Never agreed with anything more than I agree with what you just wrote!
Hi matics ❤
Well.. we had a good run. 🍻
Game will die if devs keep trying to be so greedy
If absolutely nothing else changes, just reduce the duration of each campaign. 9 seasons I've played of this game, and not once has there been a period of less than three weeks at the end of the campaign where the entire server is just killing time waiting for the season to be over. They might even find that people are more willing to remain active in a season they're losing if the know it won't be too long before they can get back to Bag End and join a new one. At the moment, it feels like as soon as it becomes clear which side is gonna win, the majority of players from the other side just give up and stop playing.
Totally agree, except for the first two season, every season I played on since then was basically decided within 2, maybe 3 weeks. A season ago, a full whaled-out Dwarves moved down and took Osgiliath within a week. Later took the whole map.
This season, Gondor began a similar conquest, with the only hope of Arnor giving a fair fight. Guess what, they build a united faction and stomped everyone, controlling the full map now.
What should all other factions do the rest of the season? There is barely even a tile you can reach for heart of hero.
I totally agree with everything you said in this video. I am willing to be flexible and only play rp or non rp, and stick to one campaign that they can maintain and update.
If they don't do something the game will definitely die.
I could say I was probably the actual first I just watched the video before commenting. But….
The game is in a dreadful state and it feels like they fired all the devs that work on content, for the first 6 months the weekly updates normally had some type of balancing or actual content updates…now it is all graphics or bug fixes
They do not want refund system for commanders, because it means they will earn less from crates. And without a refund, they can't do a rebalance, because then the players would complain that, for example, they spent money on the commander, and now he is weak and they could even go to court with it.
You cannot go to court with it... when you accept the terms and conditions you accept they can make any changes they want whenever they want
To court, no you can’t you could spend thousands and they could trash that commander or even ban you from the game and you can’t to anything lol
I totally think you're right they need to do something to keep people playing I had 5 friends today tell me they were frustrated with the game and were going to take a season or two off I hope they come back
Totally agree with you ATME. Game is in the gutter. I expect Netease to shut down the servers within 1-2 years.
I enjoy this game a lot too, so I'll be pitching basically a clone of this game to my CEO today. Except the inside base will be more like fallout shelter style.
Of course we probably won't be able to use the LOTR lore, but we're going to reach out to other brands, may just create our own lore.
When will it be released?
Why not like a call to dragons style game? For me, I love the style of ctd or rok. But instead fully copycating, a tad better. Pc playable like. Know what I mean?
I would love for severs to end when they are finished instead of waiting for a certain amount of time on the server to be reached. My server has been very balanced but we took the ring on day 28 and now we’re on day 40. We have a server wide pvp event for fun but it’s ridiculous.
I would like reworks or buffs rather then refunds so everyone can run around with the same 5 heroes.
Your 100% in this video, and the devs need to see this, and be more open to us about what their doing
I remember over a year ago you spoke about the deplorable state of the game or that it's downfall was impending but you've been playing on ... I fell back about a year ago but I'm in game now and haven't lost a beat actually ... It's been smooth flowing and I have a nice 4 comm line up ... My equipment is maxed out and I've only spent hundreds not thousands ... Idk but your rants are good bc the Devs know you have influence
1.5%! DAMN! What a deal!
The idea of a respect potion mixed with seasonal meta changes would be amazing
It seems like the player base has mostly consolidated into RP. Our group of 2.5 fellowships of RP only players waited over a month in Bag End before we could all get into server. The RP campaigns fill up so quickly.
Despite this huge demand for RP content, the developers have given new content to the non-RP players only.
The RP servers are full and give goods PvP. But the campaigns are stale.
While there are a variety of issues, from day one the most apparent was the respect locking for commanders and commander / gear not being comparable between good / evil. This split the player base into only playing good or only playing evil (unless you are a super whale and can afford both). If you were trying out both between seasons you were completely wasting your time. This caused many fellowships / warbands to fracture when many wanted to try out new things despite the monetization / game system heavily favoring you focus a few commanders and only good or evil not both.
Your breakdown of the Refund/Exchange ideas were Spot On!!
Thanks!!
commander reworks are the most requested content and its just not happening
Another minor in-game issue that I have had is the march times of commanders. It is extremely frustrating to wake up and see you have to march and extreme distance that takes 30+ minutes to get there. And then when you get there, either your tile was sniped, or a mob spawns or there's now a new destination. So you now have to wait for your army to come back another 30+ minutes to go again or somewhere else. So now for someone that may only have a 30-40 minute or even an hour window to get some meaningful playing in, they now have to spend that time watching their comms march instead of actually playing and helping the team.... maybe this is a more minor issue but when compounded on the other issues mentioned in this video, it's just another frustrating point that makes everything else seem even worse
I have been leading one of the strongest teams on the most stacked server in probably the game's history. It's still going on, but it has five full kingdoms, and another three teams outside of that who are all active.
That server has been done with for weeks when it comes to organic PvP. It lasted about a month before our kingdom (Animal Kingdom/AK) was able to dictate the exact ending of the server. And that wasn't us teaming up with multiple other kingdoms, just one to make it a 2v3.
There isn't a simple solution to retaining player activity, it certainly isn't just to have more players in the server. While that helps, PvP at this point comes from leaders sitting down early on and trying in good faith to make the server fun for people. It's like being an actor in a play. I felt threatened for three weeks, after that I knew we had won, and since then I've logged on less and less. And this is on a server with five actual kingdoms who in any other season could be a ring contender.
I agree with commander respect needing to be able to be shuffled around, and that they need some type of new content instead of chests. But a lot of this could be as easy as shorter seasons. Make seasons one month long, reduce EXP requirements, weaken NPC's (keep and tile) commanders as well as slightly improve resource gain across the board. That will probably see a lot more folks active until the end.
Personally, I’ve been in bag end for a while and haven’t felt like I’ve been missing out on anything. Granted I’ve been working a lot so I haven’t had the chance to look into it all that much. But, I do think the changes and the fixes that you’ve brought I’d really be ok with. I’m not a high spender in this game but I’m also not a low spender. When I went to NRP for my first season I made sure that I hard unlocked Sauron since I start out on the light side. Not that I feel like I’ve been wasting my money on this game but with the last couple of seasons that I was in that had very empty servers and toxic groups it is really hard for me to want to come back to play the game. Not to say that the toxicity is out of control but I think having empty servers to begin seasons makes people like myself think that the game is slowly dying. But all of what I’m saying might just be speculation. Anyway I do feel the same way about not wanting to spend anything on it until certain things from the game change.
Yes, yes, yes and yes. Good to see someone address some of the major issues with this game that seem to keep getting looked over and ignored. As stated at the end of the video, start with communicating with us about what’s to come and how the game is being improved. Currently they seem to just be milking us for money and I myself, just like you, decided with this last event to no longer spend on the game. I will only take season pass. No periodical anymore and no more one time offer buys. It’s been so long since we seen significant change, elven hammers were great, we need more of that, ASAP.
ATME will be our saviour
I think you are spot on with your opinions, unfortunately also correct that netease has detached from the customer base. They are losing the trust of customers and that doesn't come back easily.
I like this event chest bcz it allows you to mix good and evil players with it, which I really missed.
By sharing these sentiments I feel more hopeful we may be able to experience a better game in the future
Im not playing as long as you do, but since I started to play I feel like they switched the direction from a well enough pay to advance sweet spot to a state to just cash in on those who falled into the sunk cost fallacy. Its a pity, I really enjoy the game and started to take it really seriously recently, but I wish the game would just go back to the release state, from what I heard that was the glory day. 2 of my friends who convinced me to start playing getting really frustrated about the games state nowdays and seems like they gonna stop playing if we dont get some positive changes soon.
Also, this is just my personal idea but I think 3 different campaign would be the sweet spot, with those 3 being Tactics Evolved (nrp), War of the Ring, and Kings of Man. TE would be a nice mode for those who are not playing competitively, WOTR is the best rp experience imo, and king of man is just great for competitive players, I think with these 3 opttions everyyone should be happy, but this is just my opinion
In kingdoms, they should implement a cap of how many terriories 1 kingdom can ocupy.
I would absolutely quite if they took the game to non-RP only. That said, I do agree with how disgusting the monetization is in this game.
I just hope they rework some stuff and let this game have a long live.Still the best LOTR to play together with people.Its just funny that devs dont get that happy players just spend more.
I quit after season 2 and came back recently and already want to uninstall without even being in a campaign yet.
People need to realize that every event chest is a money grab. It's been that way for a long time. Even with the mathom tickets included in the base chest, the guaranteed purple every 5th pull is much better than what the promos offer. "Drop rate up" on the adventure token chests is borderline false advertising (I understand that it technically is not). It doesn't increase the chance of receiving a T3, only the chance that it's the promoted commander IF you pull a T3. Then there was the insane 800 gem chest a while back. You could have spent the 40k gems required to maximize the promo on the base chest and the probability of receiving at least 1 gold gear piece is like 92%. On top of that, you're still getting your guaranteed purple item every 5th pull, which all the promo chests exclude. And you've done twice the number of pulls with 3 times as many items in each. Worst chest offered by far. Then the tiered reward chests have terrible tiered rewards, which, again, are trumped by the guaranteed purple item every 5th pull. The only promo chests remotely worthwhile are those that provide 3 of a specific commander item every 10 pulls, and they're only valuable if you use that commander.
TL:DR
Never do the promo chests. Basic chest is best.
As someone who played SWGoH(also by Capital games who make HoME) I feel I should point out while the dev response is good now, CG has not had a good track record on this in the past, maybe they learned from their mistakes but it's also possible HoME will have this same problem in a year or so.
Oh yeah, I am well aware of CG’s track record. Just hoping they use HoMe as a clean slate
Still wondering why lathar has ringwraith as t3 tree , same with khamul , they obviously play around specific units , let them support those smh
I actually enjoy hearing you rant about this game it never gets old in my point of view lol. The game is not even two years old yet and there's a lot of things in this game they added it's just ridiculous. Lesser things to do and they just want you to spend more money on it even though players are quitting. + 3200 bonus gams for spending $1,000 dollars that's a insult.
Everyone says refund system - I agree.
The issue is, do they have the information available in their data bases how much respect you put from which source?
Letters are tracked but respect items?
The hammer did not work backwards... It just changed how it worked going forward.
Same would happen with respect.
Therefore.... Yeah.
We can only wish.
it's not a problem RP OR NON-RP problem is there are teams out there that sign in with 10-20 alts 1 player in the server... to make the opposite side weaker it should be made 1 IP address to 1 server so only 1 player can join 1 server 1 account so more active players cud join in the same server instead 100+ inactive alts...
now people that wish to join campaign need to wait in bag end 7 days or 14 days to enter the same campaign again because server is full of 500+ alts that will be inactive the whole season...
They would make more money making it affordable for thousands of players to win buying the pass than a few 100 spending ungodly amounts.
I sent this video over Whatsapp and said "this is the player base right now"
I want a lotr game directed by you atme. Everything you have said is really coherent and you show how much you care
i have the feeling that the most evil T2 are not playable or just bad, even basically strong figurs of the movies like saruman who is a T3 is way worser than an gtg who is just T2 thats Kind of sad 😢
btw, i opened that 200 chest a week ago and i got 3 gold items, all bad :(
ouch :(
Amen 🙏😞
The server you are in was actually a decent server with 14 full and active fellowships, the only reason its now dead is from people giving up. There is too much politics that sway the game and there are no comeback features to help the losing side. People take the easy road like WIND and join the winning side to make the server even more unbalanced leading to even more quiters. But the problem is that the players have to balance the server, impossible for the devs to do that. Limiting kingdoms to 3 fellowships is a nice thought but i think it ruined the campaign. You get awkward fellowships that get left out of kingdoms which makes for even more politics and luck based on where they spawn. I definitely think that when activity levels die down they should just end the season, dragging things out makes it even worse.
Another suggestion is to add more pve content like dungeons or something.
I got an R12 Khmaul that does nothing for me that I’d love to refund
I would rather have the Net Ease Game Owners opt for using Advertisers & Advertisements to obtain the needed capital for their Profits. The Death Nail for this game will be after a new player realizes he must spend Thousands to be competitive after mid season or maybe his/her first full season. Many players do not have the resources and those that do will find the game being thinned out with very few whales and no longer will have the multiple different Economic layers of players from different backgrounds.
When the game first released it was fun and comprised of truly diverse players. I met players from everywhere. When talking to some players from other regions most were FTP players and did not like the PTP trend. I’m noticing many are no longer playing. Just my take.
They should sell the company to, Super Cell, that would be great.
I don't know if that's possible, but I would be ok with a change :)
I have spent few thousands on this game just to realize there are people who spend insane amount of money, so the only way to enjoy the game is to spend more money? No thank you, I rather watch you guys do that for me and I am good.
Totally agree, I've also stoped spending on this game....
Feels like the right thing to do
The game is literally a rip off, after 9 seasons and spending money I still can't say it has solid builds with the equipment commanders need. And I totally agree with your statements on the changes or the game will die.
I have spend around £150 in this game without getting not even a T3 commander at level 9000 reputation. Bellow that they are useless, and I have spent less in Genshin Impact on the 2 years I spent playing it. The return for the money in this game is not very good. They got very greedy.
I don't understand why they won't rework unused commanders, if they redid Beruthiel and she suddenly became as good as Sunind, so many people would whale out on her
Have you seen how Beruthiel performs? I know a player that does really well with her. But the rework of commander is needed.
I think its quite clear at this point, devs arent developing the game. Someone is keeping it maintenance mode, but they have moved on to a new project. Such a shame, it was a great game.
I played RP for I think 4 seasons when the game started Evil Side but after coming back about 9 months later I'm playing Non RP and there's no difference in game play to me ... RP is no big deal to me
Capital Games is just as bad. I’m not being sucked into their new game.
Thats me as well im so pissed at them for that
They should have an alliance raid sustem like call if dragons... We need a buml in content
Agree
complete on your side
If they take away Roleplay, I’ll stop playing.
The only mistake is that I have spent so much time in this game and money...What a waste!
I feel that! I do like the game, and best case for me would be if they made some improvements starting with communication.
No ok this is a joke 15 dollars bonus on a 1k spend ahahah
Better give nothing the this bonus, like this make me only frustred couse they waste time for make thsi bad mod.
Game need absolutly new content, all the game need absolutly new countent for survive and be playable right now, and yes is a bit to much on monetization.
Ok absolutly agree with all you say in this video, and i think all the player like this game also think that.
I really hope devs gonna watch the video and replay to that, at least for show they care about community opinion, even a negative replay is better then get ignored!
Well a dev has seen and got scared for his money
oh really?
chi mi traduce cosa significa?
Devs need to listen to you bro ...
Yes, updates. Let's see some updates and communication. Game is dying and they don't seem to care.
Sorry for the divided comments, but if anybody else creates a second account in order to fix some rookie mistakes, it would be nice to get an opportunity to merge accounts and keep all the gear we got
I agree with everything you said. I really love this game and spend way too much time playing it.
I'm disappointed there wasn't a decent Easter Event or even a Mother's Day mini event with Galadriel. It's getting so that I save my mathoms but don't feel like using them anymore. I used to look forward to event chests.
I honestly think that only War of the Ring needs to be role-play and everything else should be consolidated and perhaps even segregated. Timezones make a big difference in this game and one timezone seems to always be more active than the other leaving players not actually fighting each other but just cleaning tiles and forts and cities.
And I truly believe we need other goals besides getting the One Ring. I also think they need to cap the keep buffs factiond/kingdoms can get, maybe to ten that the King can equip. When you're losing a season the lack of structure buffs makes it an uphill climb that sometimes doesn't feel worth the struggle.
The Elven Craftsman Hammers were a God send to F2P, we need the respect refund Valinor Potion ASAP!
Please read this devs!😢
Weird how I've been calling them out on their bullshit greed and lack of content for how long now? But the devs won't listen, they will just blacklist you like they did me. This game is dead, and money is for the living.
They can try to blacklist me, but it's not gonna happen ;)
In all seriousness I've already turned down a contract with them because it had some less than amazing stipulations, and that means I've missed out on some opportunities to get more info from them, but you just gotta keep doing your thing.
didn't even bother with this one so lame copy paste of the last chest
You're not off base. It's devolved into a money grab. They could easily bring back a garden type event, the code is already there.
There are too many people that play this game like it's a job, they should have a server where there's a limit on how much time you can play per day. As it stands I am not spending any more money on this game, after spending way more than I should have.
I'm in the same server as you, and the kingdom that is taking over the map cheated by using 150-200 extra accounts, that needs to be fixed as well. As it stands, Kings of Men is unplayable.
It’s be a rough season, that’s for sure. I just wish the devs would communicate a little more. I really enjoy the game but it’s brutal at times
All issues can be summed up to simply the devs being money grabbers imo.
Saruman, Khamul, Legolas need to be re worked.... huge LOTR fan and never heard/read of Sunind and yet she is better than Sauron...
Agree with your points. RP and NRP won't be able to run longer next to each other with this many servers. But mostly the matchup in the servers needs to be looked at. Teams can now pull out at the last second and switch to another one. I've seen to many servers being killed with that already. My ideas to improve it:
1. Make competitive servers and casual servers. Rewards in competitive servers should be higher to really make the stronger teams want to play it. Maybe add an overall group ranking to it so people really want to play competitive and brag about their group ranking.
2. If you register for a campaign, you should have 48 hours to reconsider, after that you can't unregister anymore.
3. Implement a system where the server progress will be monitored and devs will be able to end servers early. Too many times we sit for 3 weeks in a dead server where nothing really happens anymore. (Maybe add a vote system (initiated by at least 2 factions) where 70% of the factions must have a majority on ending the server early, if that is the result of the vote, the devs can manually look at the server and end it if they agree)
4. Consider merging NRP and RP to whatever direction the devs think it should go. Compensate the existing player base who are affected by the change. If RP is the way to go, compensate by redeeming all respect from one side to the other for free. If NRP is the way to go, let people who have an evil and good account (and can prove they are the owner of both) merge the accounts for free (or a small cost to prevent people taking advantage)
Its almost like it is a chinese gotcha game or something....
I agree, too boring now😢
I‘m currently playing a KoM with 5 FULL kingdoms and some smaller fellowships which adds up to about 1700 players on one server. Everyone loves it! If they go on not splitting the servers i think your third point is not needed.
I agree with the commander balance part. Tweak some numbers and bring out a commander rework once in a while to make the meta shift keeps the game interesting and the players playing. You don‘t even need a respect refund system if you can be sure that your commanders will be meta at some point.
They know the game is dead now and trying to bleed the last big spenders. Instead of completely changing the game, they could have made pve events or servers.
I haven’t spent any money on that game other then a season pass. They really have slacked on the extra events. There’s a ton of existing features they really have needed to fix for a long time that they really should be focusing on other than straight money grabs.
The game is only 1 year old, so give the devs a break. We need more quality of life improvements and something to lessen the screen time this game requires. You had a nice video on it before.
The game will lose a lot of RP players if it goes only NRP.
Respect refund system will be manipulated and lets just let whales spend some more money if they are unhappy or tired with their r25 Galas and Saurons that they used to wreck s1 to s4. Whale spending is good for this game. Sure my r8 Imrahil is useless, but that is just drop in the sea.
The RP servers get full fast, but a lot of alt accounts (inactives) ruin the balance.
You make some real good points Taavi, alt accounts have a much bigger role in ruining the balance of a server than most other things.
I also think that some human behaviors have contributed to the game being down, one example is people giving advice on bad commanders to invest on, this is something that players did not the devs. But there are things that need to worked on for sure!
@@fellowoftheringslotrrisetowar Agreed, sometimes there are so many inactive alt accounts in 1 faction that the whole faction is dead and that is from the start, when players havent quit yet because of losing.
I saw this on my recommended, I quit back... god when was it? Probably season 5 or something? I dont even remember.
I demanded all my money back and quit this trash game, I got like 500 euros back so yay, still short on 1000 but whatever.
Literally nothing has changed and its just the same trash all over again I see. I dont know how anyone keeps playing this, mobile phone games are such trash money sinks and if I had one wish to make to a genie i'd make all this paid stuff disappear and anyone that tries to implement it to a game explodes into little meaty chunks with little celebration music.
The game could be good... just imagine a server with no pay to win, just people playing good and more mechanics of "git gud" rather than "How deep is your bank account vault?"
honestly if tolkien saw this abomination of cash grab I swear he would die of a heart attack were he alive...
Edit: Also you deserve and get what you tolerate. You shouldn't be okay with this monetization but people are just.... so.... dumb....
None of this is okay and it blows my mind you guys are okay with having something so outrageous for so little of so little value...
oh yeah now I remember, I quit as soon as their bulls**t "for fairness, due to apple increasing fees or whatever we will make EVERYONE pay higher amount of money for gems"
And my response was "Eat a bag of ****s, give me my money back and burn in hell".
I hate apple, I will never be screwed over by apple. It's why I dont buy apple products. So for them to try and pull this sht and not even give me anything extra in return....
I mean "fairness"? They are basically already robbing you because lets be fair these gems are NOT worth the amount they are asking. None of the mobile phone trash is worth the money they ask. Its a bunch of worthless pixels with infinite supply.
First!
Woo!
I quit about 3 months ago... and i was a big whale. Actually trying to sell my acct hehe if anyone interested..
Details please?
See the reason u lose the season yes ur green thats good… BUT u aint the rohan green
I wish I had known :(
Damn people still playing this game?! Lol
Respect needs to be fixed