Thanks for the video! Look, I love the Meguiar's brand and enjoy using some of their products but this new Ceramic Spray Coating just doesn't motivate me to try it. No one (including myself) wants to spend that much time and effort "working" a product into a panel in hopes that it'll bond appropriately. That doesn't make for an enjoyable experience, regardless of the outcome. Because the truth of the matter is, you can get better performance for LESS work with other products. I know that Hybrid Paint Coating is discontinued but this didn't take much effort to apply and wipe off. Slickness was insane. Beading was insane. And longevity was fantastic. For me, I like simple, easy and effective without the stress of finicky application methods.
Thanks for watching! No argument from me about use case, this is a product that needs a certain environment and application to perform well. As meguiars have said, they consider it to be a true coating, not a spray coating which is why the application is not as straight forward like the packaging would imply. I will say that after applying it, I don’t find it to be that intimidating, especially when compared to other true ceramic coatings. If I had to choose between the application of this vs. Cquartz lite, I would take this based on my experience. Easy to spread and work (maybe I made it look harder than it is, my bad), and once you work in and breakdown the product, its wipe off is great. Whether or not it will last like Cquartz lite is another story, but if it does, I could see myself adopting this into my routine. I do think that they should have released this under their professional lineup though, as an entry level version of M888 as it does need be handled and applied like a professional product. Depending on the cost factor, I would encourage those with the setup required to apply this product to give it a try, once we have a better durability estimate. I plan on revisiting this product later on when temperatures are better and I can get it into sunlight to help curing to see if there is any more performance to be gained.
I found that it was just super important to apply this to bare paint. Yes I know that it's the general rule for almost all LSP's, but this one was super crazy picky to make sure you do it. I've used other products that were applied on top of other ones and they held up alright as it bonded decently. But this one, it truly will only bond well to paint.
Which of you think about it, lends more weight to meguiars saying it’s a proper true coating that can be sprayed. I will say that my paint was bare in both applications, as Cquartz lite bonded no problem first attempt. That supports the other half of it being improper application.
@@sheepstardetail That's a good point. Honestly I think Meguiar's is going to have a tough time with this product in the market. Because most average consumers will assume it's just another spray and wipe. A lot of them won't even prep the paint, let alone wipe until residue is completely gone. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being discontinued like the Hybrid paint coating (which was an excellent product) but the average joe simply did not understand what it was, and how best to apply it.
I have found Meguires Ultimate compound and Ultimate polish to work well for being available locally when im not using 3D 500 and 520. I also like Meguires liquid ceramic wax and have had it last for 12 months by using their ceramic detailer after maintenance washes. I will try this though
I don’t use any top up products during my real world durability tests as I want to see when the base product fails. I understand with coatings there is a trade off in slickness without top ups some times, but I want to see baseline performance.
I applied it after a wash and did not strip the car down or polish. Car is well taken care of. I sprayed it on the paint which was not bare, but was due for some product and then did use an applicator to spread it out. Was a little tougher to wipe off than some others, but no big deal. The result is very good water behavior and it blows off with ease completely dry. It is also much slicker after the wash than when you apply it. I did let it cure for about 24 to 48 hours before getting wet.
A few months ago I applied the Cerakote rapid ceramic spray coating and have used meguiars pro m799 ceramic bead booster a couple of times. The undiluted version of the hybrid ceramic detailer. Green bottle. I love that product especially in the pro version.
Ive had great luck with their hybrid ceramic wax. Its super easy to apply. I wash my truck once or twice a month and give it a quick wipe down with the ceramic detailer as Im drying it. I wax once a year. Its hard to say if Im seeing the protection from the wax or the detailer at that point but it always stays hydrophobic.
More than likely seeing the detailer, as it has decent legs on its own. I really like the hybrid ceramic liquid wax, even if it only lasts 4-6 months, it can be easily maintained with both hybrid ceramic wax and the hybrid ceramic detailer, and it’s effortless to reapply for a liquid type sealant.
Haven’t used that one yet, but physically, this isn’t hard to spread, buff, or wipe off. It’s just a few more motions than you’re used to, and some specific temp requirements. I personally think the temperature requirements are going to be the part that hangs up a lot of folks.
@@sheepstardetailPersonally I think HPC wipes tge floor with this stuff. Hydrophobic properties on HPC are on another level than this. Plus I believe it's way more durable.
It seems much better but what is the point of this product when I can more easily apply a real glass bottled coating? Talking about sprays, Fireball Pirouette provides similar short term hydrophobics but is not picky at all on how it’s applied.
Besides the temperature requirements, application is actually quite easy. It applies and spreads nicely, and once you buff it down (which doesn’t take quite as long as I showed here, I just had a bit more residue than a normal panel size would have) the flip and wipe off is quite nice. The really troublesome thing is the temps, some people don’t have indoor working environments. Also, we don’t yet know the long term performance for this products, so it could be a legit solid 6months which isn’t bad overall.
Aren't glass bottle coatings much pickier about their application than this? Having to make sure it's all even without being able to rub it in randomly like you can with this product. So they have a much higher risk of high spots or missed spots. If this is a true coating, as they claim, then it's advantage would be the much easier/tolerant application.
Thanks for the video, I’ve applied it twice and works well. I may try a decon or paint prep next time with a buffer to remove product. Any thoughts. Great review too.
Definitely polish and panel prep for best results. Sometimes if the paint hasn’t had wax on it in a long time, products will apply and bond, but I would rather seal in nice polished paint over oxidized and swirly paint.
No good means I didn’t like it/will never use it even to make a video crapping on it, or it physically has gone off like some coatings. Some products were so old that even if they were good, they were less than half a bottle and I really do don’t like it.
I thought this was just another spray and shine with a ceramic protectant built in so I passed on it and I suspect thats what most people who bought it thought too (or at least how it was applied). I have about 9 gallons of Fast Finish left so I haven't paid attention to new coating in a minute but this product seems like a case of miscommunication.
Make life easy and pick up a bottle of 3D GLW Ceramic Detailer, which was fully reviewed by Apex Auto Detail. Inexpensive, easy application, great gloss, and extremely durable. I like it better than Griot’s Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax, which is saying a lot.
You do the same process as most sprays, but you have to wipe it in very thoroughly until the residue is basically gone. It needs to be worked in almost like a polish. If you don’t the curing process doesn’t start as the part that needs to be exposed to air stays encapsulated and rinses right off.
They released a video a couple weeks ago showing the application process, basically you need to buff it until the residue is nearly gone. Because I’m working in a small test area, that meant a couple more passes as one spray could have done a larger area.
Reference grade explanation for the product. Not sure why they made it so labour intensive, but I’m sure they’ll sell gallons of the stuff. Saw your face!
@@sheepstardetail hopefully it lasts. We have a really good sealant over here that does well over 12 months and outperforms CanCoat - doesn’t eat triggers or go off prematurely, but doesn’t offer hardness. Will be interesting to see how it holds up.
@@sheepstardetail SiRamik Lustrous Plus Graphene Spray Sealant. Infinity Wax’s Synergy Lite offers a different alternative - the ability to coat outside and be weather ready in an hour, though will block sprayers so its best to spray panel wipe through it when used.
Time will tell for me. If it has the legs and lasts in the real world, then I can consider it a win compared to products like Cquartz lite as it is still easier to work with.
Great demo! I almost feel like with using a microfiber cloth and all that buffing...too much product is going back into the cloth because the product isnt strong enough to adhere to the car in a clear state...hence, with the buffing required to make it clear it is being taken off the car. In otherwords, Meguiar still has some work to do on the formula.
Prime the cloth with product (one good spray) and you’ll basically fix that issue. Not trying to defend megs or anyone else, but most of the time when people have really inconsistent results with wipe on wipe off protection products, 75% of the time it’s because the cloth being use to spread the product it’s primed.
Ease of use can wear many hats. Some people are feel waiting for a wax/sealant to haze up before wiping as “hard to use”. This needs a bit more buffing for sure, but it’s still slick when doing so and final wipe off was effortless once you break it down.
As long as you use a good quality microfibre it’s not that bad. It’s at least easy to wipe in, and very easy to do the final buff on that I overall feel it’s not something that would deter me from using it. Seeing how long it lasts is what is going to make or break the product for me.
It’s not actually that bad, Cquartz lite is far more effort to remove than this is to apply and remove. Whether or not it lasts as long, is still the question.
I’m very confused with this video… it looks like like everything else on the hood is beading and the Meguiars still isn’t working… nothing about the water behavior made me feel like it’s working properly
Check my more recent video comparing this to Jimbo’s. The application went better (this video still has the correct steps, I think the temperatures still weren’t perfect).
I'm not trying to pooh pooh Marcus tips, but I formulate products like these, and it does not make the slightest bit of sense that you'd have to spread and immediately start creating so much friction on the panel so soon. It's effectively reducing bonding time and removing most of the product before it's even had time to set. In all my time in chemicals and using almost similar materials, to say an item needs to be broken down once sprayed and it's effectively protected whilst in the bottle, no! That will contain water, a resin and an activator blended together. Nothing is in a protected state until spread, bonded and left to kind of cure (water based don't actually cure as such). I don't know, seemed far too much ott info for you to have to do and having to redo the panel again following it with the issues. Hmmmm. Great video though genuinely I watch alot of yours and megs do great products but sadly this isn't one of them
Yeah it's a real tough one to understand and get right, but based on my initial trials and his feedback, it makes sense. Also remember, Meguiars is owned by 3M, so if they could come up with a way to keep high solid ceramic coatings in a spray format that doesn't harden until worked it, it's them. So far it's doing ok, but a wipe on ceramic is less work and more durable/performant. I totally agree, it's a weird product and absolutely, not for everyone.
@@sheepstardetail absolutely agree with you buddy. Megs stuff in general is epic stuff, this one just seems to be a marmite kinda product....love or hate
Yeah I’m not really sure how the price translates as it’s not for sale in Canada. I will retest it once it warms up and application/curing isn’t as troublesome.
Thanks for the video! Look, I love the Meguiar's brand and enjoy using some of their products but this new Ceramic Spray Coating just doesn't motivate me to try it. No one (including myself) wants to spend that much time and effort "working" a product into a panel in hopes that it'll bond appropriately. That doesn't make for an enjoyable experience, regardless of the outcome. Because the truth of the matter is, you can get better performance for LESS work with other products. I know that Hybrid Paint Coating is discontinued but this didn't take much effort to apply and wipe off. Slickness was insane. Beading was insane. And longevity was fantastic. For me, I like simple, easy and effective without the stress of finicky application methods.
Thanks for watching!
No argument from me about use case, this is a product that needs a certain environment and application to perform well. As meguiars have said, they consider it to be a true coating, not a spray coating which is why the application is not as straight forward like the packaging would imply. I will say that after applying it, I don’t find it to be that intimidating, especially when compared to other true ceramic coatings. If I had to choose between the application of this vs. Cquartz lite, I would take this based on my experience. Easy to spread and work (maybe I made it look harder than it is, my bad), and once you work in and breakdown the product, its wipe off is great. Whether or not it will last like Cquartz lite is another story, but if it does, I could see myself adopting this into my routine. I do think that they should have released this under their professional lineup though, as an entry level version of M888 as it does need be handled and applied like a professional product.
Depending on the cost factor, I would encourage those with the setup required to apply this product to give it a try, once we have a better durability estimate. I plan on revisiting this product later on when temperatures are better and I can get it into sunlight to help curing to see if there is any more performance to be gained.
Its not anymore work than any true ceramic coating.
I’m not sir what people are doing wrong, it is very easy to apply.
I do use M122…
I found that it was just super important to apply this to bare paint. Yes I know that it's the general rule for almost all LSP's, but this one was super crazy picky to make sure you do it. I've used other products that were applied on top of other ones and they held up alright as it bonded decently. But this one, it truly will only bond well to paint.
Which of you think about it, lends more weight to meguiars saying it’s a proper true coating that can be sprayed. I will say that my paint was bare in both applications, as Cquartz lite bonded no problem first attempt. That supports the other half of it being improper application.
@@sheepstardetail That's a good point. Honestly I think Meguiar's is going to have a tough time with this product in the market. Because most average consumers will assume it's just another spray and wipe. A lot of them won't even prep the paint, let alone wipe until residue is completely gone.
I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being discontinued like the Hybrid paint coating (which was an excellent product) but the average joe simply did not understand what it was, and how best to apply it.
@@soapa4279 agreed. They should really market this under their professional line as a quick and decent entry level coating for M888.
I have found Meguires Ultimate compound and Ultimate polish to work well for being available locally when im not using 3D 500 and 520. I also like Meguires liquid ceramic wax and have had it last for 12 months by using their ceramic detailer after maintenance washes. I will try this though
I don’t use any top up products during my real world durability tests as I want to see when the base product fails. I understand with coatings there is a trade off in slickness without top ups some times, but I want to see baseline performance.
I applied it after a wash and did not strip the car down or polish. Car is well taken care of. I sprayed it on the paint which was not bare, but was due for some product and then did use an applicator to spread it out. Was a little tougher to wipe off than some others, but no big deal. The result is very good water behavior and it blows off with ease completely dry. It is also much slicker after the wash than when you apply it. I did let it cure for about 24 to 48 hours before getting wet.
Interesting. How old was the product you applied it to? Sometimes once the initial layer is gone, a lot of products can apply to a coating below.
A few months ago I applied the Cerakote rapid ceramic spray coating and have used meguiars pro m799 ceramic bead booster a couple of times. The undiluted version of the hybrid ceramic detailer. Green bottle. I love that product especially in the pro version.
What did you think of rapid ceramic after some time on the car?
Why even bother? Were you just testing to see how much of your time you can waste?
Ive had great luck with their hybrid ceramic wax. Its super easy to apply. I wash my truck once or twice a month and give it a quick wipe down with the ceramic detailer as Im drying it. I wax once a year. Its hard to say if Im seeing the protection from the wax or the detailer at that point but it always stays hydrophobic.
More than likely seeing the detailer, as it has decent legs on its own. I really like the hybrid ceramic liquid wax, even if it only lasts 4-6 months, it can be easily maintained with both hybrid ceramic wax and the hybrid ceramic detailer, and it’s effortless to reapply for a liquid type sealant.
Porter Cable 7424xp.
My personal weapon of choice.
Tried and true, will still provide tons of use for even experienced detailers.
Looks like Meguiar's Hybrid Paint Coating is same price, probably comparable to longevity, and MUCH easier to apply than this new stuff.
Haven’t used that one yet, but physically, this isn’t hard to spread, buff, or wipe off. It’s just a few more motions than you’re used to, and some specific temp requirements. I personally think the temperature requirements are going to be the part that hangs up a lot of folks.
@@sheepstardetail Oh dude you gotta try HPC. It's one of the easiest and enjoyable coatings to work with.
@@soapa4279 I’m yeah I know, I’ll see where I can get my hands on it. Would be a good head to head against ultimate ceramic coating.
@@sheepstardetailPersonally I think HPC wipes tge floor with this stuff. Hydrophobic properties on HPC are on another level than this. Plus I believe it's way more durable.
HPC has been discontinued
It seems much better but what is the point of this product when I can more easily apply a real glass bottled coating? Talking about sprays, Fireball Pirouette provides similar short term hydrophobics but is not picky at all on how it’s applied.
Besides the temperature requirements, application is actually quite easy. It applies and spreads nicely, and once you buff it down (which doesn’t take quite as long as I showed here, I just had a bit more residue than a normal panel size would have) the flip and wipe off is quite nice. The really troublesome thing is the temps, some people don’t have indoor working environments.
Also, we don’t yet know the long term performance for this products, so it could be a legit solid 6months which isn’t bad overall.
It's easier than glass bottle coatings..
Aren't glass bottle coatings much pickier about their application than this? Having to make sure it's all even without being able to rub it in randomly like you can with this product. So they have a much higher risk of high spots or missed spots.
If this is a true coating, as they claim, then it's advantage would be the much easier/tolerant application.
Thanks for the video, I’ve applied it twice and works well. I may try a decon or paint prep next time with a buffer to remove product. Any thoughts. Great review too.
Definitely polish and panel prep for best results. Sometimes if the paint hasn’t had wax on it in a long time, products will apply and bond, but I would rather seal in nice polished paint over oxidized and swirly paint.
Love the videos 👍
Btw You must have a ton of paint protection products in your collection. What is you experience with shelf life ?
I have a fair bit for sure. I did purge some old and no good products recently to make room.
@@sheepstardetail how do you know when they are no good ?
How long do they usually last ?
No good means I didn’t like it/will never use it even to make a video crapping on it, or it physically has gone off like some coatings. Some products were so old that even if they were good, they were less than half a bottle and I really do don’t like it.
80 degrees Celsius?!😉
@@herts30yeah I may forget to switch units from time to time.
Just ordered Fireball piroquette 4 liter.
Haven’t tried much from fireball, but their spray on coating/protection is quite good!
It looks to be sheeting again or possibly not as good as the others?
I would say jumbo’s is sheeting, meguiars is beading just fine.
I thought this was just another spray and shine with a ceramic protectant built in so I passed on it and I suspect thats what most people who bought it thought too (or at least how it was applied). I have about 9 gallons of Fast Finish left so I haven't paid attention to new coating in a minute but this product seems like a case of miscommunication.
100%. I also think launching it under their consumer line was a mistake.
Make life easy and pick up a bottle of 3D GLW Ceramic Detailer, which was fully reviewed by Apex Auto Detail. Inexpensive, easy application, great gloss, and extremely durable. I like it better than Griot’s Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax, which is saying a lot.
I have seen that, haven’t heard much about it but it’s not terribly expensive
How often can I reapply it
I’m not sure yet. I’ll be doing some more testing once the weather warms up so I can get the most consistent results.
Im confused with the big to do on application.... You sprayed and wiped it in..?
You do the same process as most sprays, but you have to wipe it in very thoroughly until the residue is basically gone. It needs to be worked in almost like a polish. If you don’t the curing process doesn’t start as the part that needs to be exposed to air stays encapsulated and rinses right off.
@@sheepstardetailThis is the best explanation so far
Meguiars actually told you that you need to buff that long?
They released a video a couple weeks ago showing the application process, basically you need to buff it until the residue is nearly gone. Because I’m working in a small test area, that meant a couple more passes as one spray could have done a larger area.
Nice
What’s this mystery product?
Not telling… yet.
Reference grade explanation for the product. Not sure why they made it so labour intensive, but I’m sure they’ll sell gallons of the stuff. Saw your face!
I think it’s really the only way to make a true wipe on coating in a spray format that doesn’t eat triggers or go off prematurely.
@@sheepstardetail hopefully it lasts. We have a really good sealant over here that does well over 12 months and outperforms CanCoat - doesn’t eat triggers or go off prematurely, but doesn’t offer hardness. Will be interesting to see how it holds up.
Which product is this?
@@sheepstardetail SiRamik Lustrous Plus Graphene Spray Sealant. Infinity Wax’s Synergy Lite offers a different alternative - the ability to coat outside and be weather ready in an hour, though will block sprayers so its best to spray panel wipe through it when used.
@@roscopervis oh yeah, heard about that on detailing world. Never seen it available to me without my yearly income worth of shipping and duty.
Hard to imagine a Megs product that could be a failure but I'd rather go with a lightweight ceramic. Anyway, all credit you for work.
Time will tell for me. If it has the legs and lasts in the real world, then I can consider it a win compared to products like Cquartz lite as it is still easier to work with.
Great demo! I almost feel like with using a microfiber cloth and all that buffing...too much product is going back into the cloth because the product isnt strong enough to adhere to the car in a clear state...hence, with the buffing required to make it clear it is being taken off the car. In otherwords, Meguiar still has some work to do on the formula.
Prime the cloth with product (one good spray) and you’ll basically fix that issue. Not trying to defend megs or anyone else, but most of the time when people have really inconsistent results with wipe on wipe off protection products, 75% of the time it’s because the cloth being use to spread the product it’s primed.
I guess "ease of use" isn't a factor? I would use a MF polishing DA disc for application.
Ease of use can wear many hats. Some people are feel waiting for a wax/sealant to haze up before wiping as “hard to use”. This needs a bit more buffing for sure, but it’s still slick when doing so and final wipe off was effortless once you break it down.
That’s a lot of rubbing to make it work, imagine on a solid black the risk one is taking. There’s so many other products that are easier to use
As long as you use a good quality microfibre it’s not that bad. It’s at least easy to wipe in, and very easy to do the final buff on that I overall feel it’s not something that would deter me from using it. Seeing how long it lasts is what is going to make or break the product for me.
Ridiculous might as well glass bottle it after blowing out my shoulder rubbing this in for hours
It’s not actually that bad, Cquartz lite is far more effort to remove than this is to apply and remove. Whether or not it lasts as long, is still the question.
I’m very confused with this video… it looks like like everything else on the hood is beading and the Meguiars still isn’t working… nothing about the water behavior made me feel like it’s working properly
Check my more recent video comparing this to Jimbo’s. The application went better (this video still has the correct steps, I think the temperatures still weren’t perfect).
I'm not trying to pooh pooh Marcus tips, but I formulate products like these, and it does not make the slightest bit of sense that you'd have to spread and immediately start creating so much friction on the panel so soon. It's effectively reducing bonding time and removing most of the product before it's even had time to set. In all my time in chemicals and using almost similar materials, to say an item needs to be broken down once sprayed and it's effectively protected whilst in the bottle, no! That will contain water, a resin and an activator blended together. Nothing is in a protected state until spread, bonded and left to kind of cure (water based don't actually cure as such). I don't know, seemed far too much ott info for you to have to do and having to redo the panel again following it with the issues. Hmmmm. Great video though genuinely I watch alot of yours and megs do great products but sadly this isn't one of them
Yeah it's a real tough one to understand and get right, but based on my initial trials and his feedback, it makes sense. Also remember, Meguiars is owned by 3M, so if they could come up with a way to keep high solid ceramic coatings in a spray format that doesn't harden until worked it, it's them. So far it's doing ok, but a wipe on ceramic is less work and more durable/performant. I totally agree, it's a weird product and absolutely, not for everyone.
@@sheepstardetail absolutely agree with you buddy. Megs stuff in general is epic stuff, this one just seems to be a marmite kinda product....love or hate
@@alastairtreymaine1964 yeah. Their new wipe on coating looks great though (M888). Still nearly $400 dollars in Canada though.
I'd hate to apply that to the whole car going by the effort in that small test section ..... Way, way to much work
Yeah it’s not a simple to use product. We have another video testing it real world, only a month in though at this point.
Doesn’t look all that great to me….
It’s definitely not at Cquartz lite or mystery product levels.
To expensive for this little 8oz. Bottle. For the price there’s more products that will do the same and give you more for the money.
Yeah I’m not really sure how the price translates as it’s not for sale in Canada. I will retest it once it warms up and application/curing isn’t as troublesome.
you sound just like Louis ck....
Are you the person that said that before? Stop it I’m going to get sued.
@sheepstardetail probably... it just struck me again... I like your content...good stuff
lol running the shit in will scratch your paint. Nope
You need better cloths.