Shadow of the Erdtree Sekiro Mechanics Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- The SotE dlc will have unique level up elements exclusive to the new area. This video will explain how they work.
0:00 Intro
1:19 The problem
3:34 Attack in Sekiro
4:28 The solution - เกม
People still seem confused. It'll be like the giant memories in Dark Souls 2 that you need to hurt Vendrick.
Ah this makes sense, Hopefully they won't be consumable without a warning lol.
I'm planning to play my first playthrough of the DLC on NG+7 (RL150) I'm sure it'll go great.
I just missed the pain of fighting Sister Friede and actually having a difficult time, this new system
does have me sweating a little now though wondering what I've signed myself up for.
Just tell them its a copy and paste job of Bungie's Light system from Destiny. Light level reduces your damage if your bellow it forcing players to grind out the higher level to just play the now even higher HP and damage stats of the new content. BUT light levels DO NOT buff damage past mob you've already cleared, meaning in the previous content you get no advantage for having high Light Level. It is one of the few systems Bungie has that is actually a good idea to fight back power creep... but Bungie being Bungie uses it as an excuses to force players to grind rather then fight power creep.
@@SpottedHares Boy that means RL1 just got to another level
So what you're saying is it's key items we get from bosses that increase our overall power in the dlc alone?
@@WokeandProudThat solution makes the most sense and jives with what Miyazaki said
When I read that yesterday, it almost sounded like the DLC was a separate thing. The resources you have matter, but your level doesn't. It's like a game within a game. Lore reason could be that the Shadowlands are without the influence of gold, so the runes you used to get stronger in the Lands Between are ineffective in this place. Pretty cool way to solve an age old problem. Glad to see them continuing to innovate
Edit: I didn't mean your level 5000 character is gonna be useless in the DLC. Just that there is a mechanism going on that effectively changes the damage you do and/or take in the Shadowlands. The lore part is just pure speculation.
I'll just keep the 50 bucks then 😂
doesnt even make sense; how would you meet stat requirements for gear or have increased stamina/equip load/ health or status buildup or anything to do with any build?
at least try to have a coffee in the morning before you start communicating with humans friend
@@geert574 Its 40*
But no, there are levels, as in another interview they asked him about recommended level for the DLC and he said " between 120s and 150s is ok"
So levels matter, but maybe not so much as before inside the DLC area.
@@geert574 how do people like you even end up on this channel 2 years after release of a fromsoft game
@@geert574 maybe there will be "shadow runes" maybe learn to think before responding to a comment about how they don't know what they are talking about
I'm telling y'all 3 day after the dlc someone will have already posted a video "mesmmer the impaler one shot"
And 99% of the people who do will be lying and just using clickbait. Probably some asinine multi buff thing that requires level 350 to pull off.
he's immune to Magic Damage.... Also Golden Vow won't work in the Shadowlands
Or "Messmer the Impaler Kung fu only run" like the "butt slam only run" they did in the base game😂
@@destinsather9757ouch
Realistically someone could just cheat in the attack power upgrades, max it out, use good ol' comet azure with some buffs and melt Messmer within the first couple of days
That triple kill at the end was sick.
360 no-scope collateral
Desperate hail Mary that just happened to slap harder then my grandpa.
Works only against people who mash out of hitstun.
So the DLC will still be tough(even at higher levels) AND we get to level our character & collect/upgrade builds as if it's a brand new game. My god Fromsoft really did improve just when I thought there is no scope left.
They had to do something so many ppl seemed to be way overlevelled for initial run for no reason. I stopped at 120 as the game was largely becoming trivial
@@compostsmurf5519 go into NG+
@@compostsmurf5519 That is probably because of the new players joining the souls community... It's crazy that they finish the game at RL150+, I ended at 125 like DS3
@@nikvettit’s because of sites like Fextralife and others were over-inflating the difficulty of the game. They pushed the meta to be in the 150-200 range and all the newcomers took that literally, not to mention all the yt vids boasting “fastest way to get runes” and the rune sites letting ppl buy millions for a few bucks. 125 is perfect even in ng+
@@nikvett between 125 and 150 its not a big issue generally speaking they're very similar and I don't see much of a problem either way its the way the stats are balanced that is the issue in terms of hard and soft caps
Great breakdown that makes a lot of sense.
Yo you two should do a dlc podcast.
@@Preston241 and then get married.
@Ziostorm Lol, your reply sounds like when you have to reply on a discussion post for an online class. Love your videos!
Great Breakdown? Yes. Makes sense. Kind of yes but honestly that might be a me thing.
That nier replicant music at the start on the backround is legendary
The synchronicity. I just went back to listening to Emil Sacrifice and Kaine Salvation at work before I saw this video in my recommended.
would you happen know the music playing at 3:36 ? I have heard that somewhere but cannot find it and driving me nuts not knowing. Much appreciated
@@dumplinsIt is dark reality from kings field
@@atillaapak7273 th-cam.com/video/r5dgIkoaNxc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=r40Laz0hOkpvssaP A FromSoftware classic track
That tripple kill had to be intensely satisfying
Came for the news, stayed for the Kings Field: Ancient City soundtrack
I wish the ost was on Spotify
This could also have another purpose if they decide to add a boss rush mode. With this mechanic they could adapt bosses to be at a level adequate to any player at any level as they did in Sekiro
This is making me more excited not just for the dlc but for their future games.
That's good. You might be able to keep your own level for pvp but still be able to get stronger to deal with the end game.
My thoughts too. This can mean that meta range is not disrupted at all, but instead flooded with all the new gear. Which sounds both super exciting and super scary lol
I think they're doing this both for people who follow meta levels and because endgame content in this is absurd with extremely high damage and health pools, especially in co-op
me with SL300 but still gets blue ring summons : 🗿🗿🗿
@aiaoi5048 there is pvp at every level. However many people like to cap themselves to keep build diversity up. At level 120 you can't get multiple stats to to the 80 cap. Max level pvp is crazy with everyone using whatever they want as much as they want. I enjoy pvp at 200-300 but most pvp players will stick to the meta level.
Makes the game too easy
That would be extremely smart, I was worried to be too strong on a stats aspect, so I hope it will be like that in order to suffer on big bosses
@@saladfrogmade a level 300 spartan 😂🫣
@@saladfrogthere is functionally no difference between an actual lvl 150 build and a level 700 "never played a fromsoft game before" weirdo.
60 vigor and capped mainstats are literally the peak of strength in the game.
youre going to 2 hit kill those level 700 gremlins either way
"level 170" doesnt make sense the enemies arent tradionally levelled you just need to have an actually damage dealing build with enough vigor to live a hit or 2
your level number in itself isnt really relevant in PvE or PvP
@@saladfrog They did worry about it though, hence the mechanic. ER is not the typical Souls game, so to speak. Alot of people (millions of them?) feel proud about their single, high level character and cannot conceive of entering endgame just past two digit levels. I actually wonder what percentage of players even have more than one character. This system is much more for them than for people who know what making a build actually means or why not exceeding meta makes the game overall better.
But I would be glad if said system "benefited" a rl100 character the same way it does a rl450. That would be a new achievement on their part.
I told my friend not to waste his time overlevelling at mohgs Palace, they need to have some sorta balance to the dlc or it'd be mostly a cakewalk and not very interesting gameplay wise
@@kimlee6643 they should just delete everyone over 180 and hard level cap 180
The fact that From is willing to change up and throw in designs that no other game following on their steps will ever do, is what makes Fromsoftware that great. They really think about the experience
I actually think that if this idea works, TONS of games will copy it. Anything with DLC / new content hat would otherwise get crushed by veterans, e.g. Warframe, WoW, Destiny, Borderlands, etc.
Wish they'd innovate on the caster gameplay design, it's been stagnant since Demon's Souls.
Look at the controls for Seals/Staves, 3/4 of the buttons are all wasted dead space that contribute little to nothing for casters.
@@Battleguild adding more staff ashes of war would be a step in the right direction
@@iota-09
Spell-like Ash of Wars
Replacing the useless R2 Bonk with a FP-free Spell-like attack.
Replace the near useless two-handed block with either an aim function, a quick select spell wheel, or a magical barrier that's strong against attacks of a magical nature.
This is what Bungie dose FOR EVERY SINGLE DLC. Light level goes up... so now you magical do less damage so you need to grind you high light level. But it only reduces your damage so you NEVER get stronger then the mobs your were fighting before. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT BUNGIE DOSE
This reminds me of King Vendrick system on DS2 where you have to get 5 Giant Souls to be able to damage him normally.
only if you died on the first attempt 👀
I mean that’s a problem for me, because it’s realistically almost impossible to fight Vendrick without 5 souls. This system is kinda fucked if it’s pushed to this extreme.
@@terranorth What they'll most likely pull off is, first 2 bosses you can fight normally, 3rd and 4rd you'll do less damage (like 60%) and if you use 2 AP, you'll do 100% damage, and this'll go incrementally. What this means is endgame DLC bosses will be hard as balls unless you defeat every other DLC boss there is.
@@terranorthit will just be harder is my guess. Like doing a low-level run possible but tough. Of course, people will find ways to cheese this in no time.
5? 3 and 4 are fine enough.
I always go for 4, fuck the Ancient Dragon. It's piss easy too.
I found it really interesting that at the end of the trailer Michela seemed to be BRINGING the Shadowed Erdtree To Light, the Viel was no longer there. So perhaps that points towards his overall goal, to maybe bring the inhabitants of this land back out of the erdtrees shadow?
I was talking with a friend and thought it would be crazy if the last boss was a 2 boss fight like radagon/Elden beast where we fight Mesmer/Miquella or Mesmer/Merika or Miquella/Merika. I also have a feeling that messmer won’t be the final boss. I’ve only watched the trailer so I have no idea if he was confirmed as the final boss
It was mentioned that Mesmer was banished to the Land of Shadow, so possibly Miquella might want to help him, especially considering that Messmer has Radagon'a hair colour, implying he might be the third sibling of Malenia and Miquella.
I really like this approach. It allows you to enter into the DLC not being overpowered, while also having that stats necessary to wield the new weapons.
One of my biggest issues with some of the previous DLCs was them being too easy if you did the main-game first and had a bunch of stats.
Eh, I think the DLCs of all the Soulsbourne games are still challenging enough
I thought even over leveled that the DS3 DLC was difficult.
I don’t need some artificial difficulty nerfs making it a chore for me
It's mainly akin to King Vendrick in DS2. Don't expect a massive overhaul like Level Resets etc.
That would be a slap in the face to players because of how the game works. This isn't a Paragon System and certainly not Armored Core 6.
In other words... "Sorry that your sl150. Go farm that again for the DLC."
As if the Base Game level progression means nothing.
@@TREVORVADER It's pretty much a flex to beat the DLC like the Ringed City before the base game especially with low SLs.
Honestly the changes sounds more like wanting to have their cake and eat it too.
I still prefer the Super Stronger than base Game type of thing, because being able to trick out and beat the shit out of it with weaker levels is just soooo satisfying.
It's one of the best things they've done. All DLCs in Fromsoft also improve on level design, which wasn't an issue with the Legacy Dungeons really, but in the open world and mini-dungeons. I'm so happy they put this system in place for the DLC because alongside world density, it was one of my major complaints, as well as many others' when it came to balance in the different regions. It's like they knew, but couldn't do it for the full game.
It’s too much for them to add on to the base game. so they made the dlc for a separate extra storage to add this crazy new power Sekiro-styled system, yet keep the same structure to the main game alone after it’s pre-purchased
Damn, now my friends are going to bully me into doing RL1 + DLC level 0.
An interesting proposal to make exploration sound more awesome! Looking forward to this for sure
So basically, everything in the DLC is Vendrick. Dark Souls 2 2 strikes again.
If only they were venderick in lore and world awarness too....
No, it'll be nothing like ds2. It'll actually be good. Like dark souls 3 2
@Kervixon so, boring? No thanks.
@loubloom1941 bro talking as if he ever played ds2
No, It's Elden Ring 1 2.
So if I understand right, the suspicion is that FromSoft is adding a new type of "power" to the DLC. Let's call that "Psychic" as a silly placeholder since there's nothing called that in the game currently. So enemies in the DLC will have very high resistance to normal attacks built using the types from the main game (slash, pierce, strike, magic, flame, holy, lightning, rot, bleed, etc). At the same time, DLC enemies will have very low resistance to "Psychic" type attacks (whether spells, imbued through weapon ashes, throwables, etc). Because any player starting the DLC, whether level 50 or level 500, will begin with zero "Psychic" stat and have to build that up as they play through. But even maxing out with 99 "Psychic" stat will have no real effect back in the base game. Though, hopefully the DLC weapons and spells will still hold their own with normal stats too.
If that's how it works, it sounds great. That's a solution not just for big DLCs like this but pretty much any game with major content updates. e.g. Warframe has struggled with overpowered veterans crushing new updates in 1 hour.
Sounded to me more like, rather than being a separate attack type, more like a buff to either you that gets better as you do different content, or the enemies that gets weaker as you do said content. So most similar to either Sekiro's memory system or Vendrick in Dark Souls 2 having insane defenses that get's 20% weaker per Soul of Giant you have in your inventory (If it's the latter then I hope it's not nearly as cut and dry as Vendrick lol)
@@arfrostbyte245 I haven't played those titles yet, but yeah Ratatoskr says in another comment that those are a good comparison.
The difference from what I'm guessing is mechanical -- those sound to be based on collectible items or particular progress milestones rather than an upgrade stat. That sounds fine too!
@@arfrostbyte245
Vendrick/Sekiro makes more sense.
The new Stats to level in, feels like a slap in the face for BS reasons.
One is innovation. The other?... Well... Light Levels in Destiny 2 sound nice... It isn't.
It was actually a thing I was worried about the DLC too, all those months ago when it was announced. I was worried that Elden Ring DLC’s progression would feel inexistent just like their prior DLCs. Not the biggest issue, but i was certainly a little worried especially considering Elden Ring kinda makes the most out of the progression system in these games (early-midgame at least)
I’m very glad Miyazaki and Team considered this, with specific reference to Elden Rings whole “having trouble? Well go away and come back later” type of game design that the early game adopts.
Happy to see them incorporate such things into the DLC! Hope to see more of it in their future “RPG” titles
even a trashcan like me can do SL1 runs of the dlc in previous game so vertical progression was never even necessary
theyve always been about horizontal progression and different options not the same options but number bigger unga bunga
It honestly kind of sounds like the Giant Souls in DS2, where there was an incrimental change to the resistance of your enemy as you collected more of the item, without directly boosting anything about your character. Really neat.
that was only the case for one boss.. And most people did not know because that mechanic because it was never explained
@TheRealJohnHooper Well, Since Dark Souls 2 was a huge moment for the company and was originally meant to be a large open game like Elden Ring its not that bizarre for it to be used again. Sounds like it still has time to shine.
@@MossOwnsYouYT Defiantly!
@@TheRealJohnHooper Nothing was really ever explained in any souls anyway. The first time you open the stat page is cringe 😂
i remember Asmongold doing his whole run heavy rolling 🤭...
@@wzz7380 That is very true.. Haha
All hail the age of milking the DLC trailer! 🙌🙌🙌
At least it's better than one PNG. lol
@@TheMuddlerman
@@TheMuddler nah man these youtubers milked that PNG too. I've watched hour long analysis videos on that one image lol.
@@thewal1ofsleepNo there isn't, where did you hear that?
uh no this video isnt about the trailer, but the interview
Chuck Norris Kung-Fu build inbound😎👊
Round-house Kick takes off half life bar and refills his.
Lol you an everyone else who saw it. Skip it for a bit. Be unique. Come back when the meta goes elsewhere. Cuz I'd put money on every invader day one rocking the exact thing you wanna do...but better lol
@@Name-zd2nb we just wanna do synchronized round house kicks with our friends on the bosses man
@@just4universe219 you better BE unique boi!! Lol jk man I'm just pointing out the obvious. Ppl are gonna be kicking tf outta everybody bro.
Jokes aside I do hope to see an actual "fight club" if they lean into unarmed more...that being said I bet not catch y'all talking bout it;)
I really like this, I was already thinking about which character to use for the DLC, and this lowers the impact of that choice, making it an easier choice.
It reminds me of how WoW dealt with high damage numbers from geared players when they first launched the arena in their first expansion burning crusade. There was a new stat introduced called resilience that lowered the damage player characters could do to you. Only in this case it sounds like it’s damage you can do to enemies.
Given Asmongold... Well... You would know how bad that kind of system went down later on.
Fake Damage Numbers just to make PvP "feel" better for lower level characters Vs a high level character.
It's even worst for PvE. No one likes getting rugged pulled by fake damage numbers.
The way it works in my head is that base game and dlc are separated by “true damage”. In simple terms how I see it is that it doesn’t exactly matter how buffed you are in the base game if upon loading into the dlc with no upgrades you are locked behind a flat number that has several more gates behind it. It means I can have an upward progression when I play and that is what matters, I don’t have to aim for a level cap and that feels amazing. It feels even better that they say it works like Sekiro, because I love Sekiro, please give me more Sekiro fromsoft.
I'm sl401... Explain to my how such a system that isn't like King Vendrick in DS2 will work?
This isn't Armored Core 6 where weapons and gear stay stagnant forever at lv1.
And of course... Even with a Level Reset... I can still exceed the level in the DLC. You've changed nothing but the beginning.
And that is a terrible design philosophy if it means to always reset every player back to lv1 for DLC.
But then again... Destiny 2 does this and no one in that community liked it.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 i’m not certain if you’ve played Sekiro, but being judgmental of a system that we don’t have the exact specifications of is jumping the gun a little. In my opinion it isn’t being reset back to level one for every player, it’s mitigating the amount of damage you deal before each boss you overcome. You basically have ‘bindings’ that prevent you from reaching your full potential. I don’t know about you but I’m excited to see how it plays out, it could be balanced poorly sure but I sincerely doubt it. It isn’t like we have the exact numbers but in Sekiro the damage for fights was balanced EXTREMELY well. The pacing was super great and you can’t steam roll or one shot bosses despite any upgrades or damage bonuses you get. I’m simply comparing the dlc to dark souls 3 where the levels you needed to have were around 120 and you would have to have basically completed the game already. Having those enemies at a stagnant high level was challenging sure, but it always meant prep work or maxing your weapon to make the enemies a joke anyway. Comparing these games to destiny 2 is like comparing an amazing dinner like a steak dinner with mashed potatos and everything else you could want (elden ring) to a half filled bag of potato chips (destiny 2). They aren’t the same, also just for the record I haven’t played DS2 before but I was planning on it, wanted to play bloodborne first. Armored core 6 was sick as hell too, I really don’t get where you are coming from but even if I’m wrong about how I assume the elden ring dlc is going to work, dude I’m just excited to play elden ring. I’ll wait and be happy when it comes out, I’ve waited this long for hollow knight silksong and Hades 2, I haven’t complained, the games will be out when they are out and I’m not expecting the second coming of christ from any of them, I’m just expecting good games and I’ll be happy when I get to play any of them.
@@team4star1
It's like Vendrick DS2. That kind of "rebalancing" is what I prefer over the "reset everyone's level" that some people have said.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 well as far as I know its not an actual level reset because you don’t lose anything. I’d imagine you could go back to base game and have the same levels as before. I don’t think I’ve explained it very well, sorry about that.
As someone who has played Sekiro before numerous times, this is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. This is going to be good.
Yes and no... Because Elden Ring isn't Sekiro.
You had to get good or drop the game for Sekiro.
Elden Ring lacks that rigidity. And the DLC will not be on par with Sekiro from the start to the end.
It's more of King Vendrick. Don't expect a massive Level Up Overhaul. That undoes what the Base Game is built on.
Babe wake up, Ratotaskr posted another hit video!
Im awake 😘
The Ringed City kinda did something similar where you could get +3 Rings that would make you a bit stronger, but that made it kinda pay to win (not super bad, but kinda) and also wasn't that impactful. Like it mattered to get those Rings, but it wasn't going to be enough feel like true progression. This new system sounds much smarter and it really feels like a true fix to the problem.
The +3 rings barely had any impact on the difficulty you couldn't even level them by yourself they were just better version of the once in the base game so I wouldn't count that
@@purehollow4460
It's mainly the DLC Weapons in DS3 that were cracked.
Great video the way that I've always dealt with this flaw that you speak of is I just go into the DLCs underleveled and try to finish my leveling up in the DLC usually using a DLC weapon and that way I still retain some sense of progression but yeah it's something that you have to do intentionally you're kind of gimping yourself
I have enough impassable walls in my actual life, so will use my over-leveled
character in dlc, thank you very much Mr. Miyazaki-san 😅
everyone has a problem so dont act like you are the only person in the world that has those kind of issues.
@@Omega77232who pissed in your cereal
It will still be hard even for that considering the offensive power mechanic, no maidenless behavior for you
@@Omega77232What got your panties in a twist?
@@salmannader1762it was me, I urinated in the angry gentleman's cereal 😤
Loved the analysis. Very well spoken. I give this video a 10/10. Keep it up!!
Will this exclusive dlc level up system have any affect in PvP matchmaking?
Just sounds like a DLC only thing but I sure hope not
Now that you broke this down even further, I am so excited about this new system they are adding! I'm so happy they are innovating on their core gameplay loop in an expansion no less!
That slice at the end was 🔥
would love to see kosmos on the yggdrasil podcast sometime, he’s one of the better ER lore theorists out there. I think his speculation on the dlc would be interesting
I appreciate the King’s Field IV track use, always pleasing to listen to
I agree 100%, I think this is exactly what they're doing, and for the reasons you said. Lots of open world games struggle with this problem in general - Borderlands is a good example. It can be irritating to have a side mission that you left, and when you come back it is ludicrously easy because you're overleveled. At the same time, you need progression rewards.
Avoid the hamster wheel issue... This is why forcing Level Resets or Light Level in Destiny 2, fails.
Do not disrespect the time and effort players took to be at a level they chose to be content on.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 yeah good point
I'm very glad they're doing this. The end game progression in souls games has always stymied my enjoyment a bit. Part of what I love about these games is becoming gradually more powerful thanks to my efforts in exploration or getting experience.
For this reason, I rarely play new game plus. I enjoy the process of making a build grow stronger from scratch.
ng+ is always boring as hell, i just start a fresh save every run
2000+ hours and I've never played NG+ lol. If they made it atleast like DS2 where certain items can only be gotten on NG+ and certain boss fight changes on NG+. The game just becomes too easy.
@@moddedpan4252Elden Rings NG+ is far easier than the initial playthrough. I've had a few buddies who this is their 1st souls like and they all agree that they are having an easier time.
My guess, considering how many design elements of ER are borrowed from DSII, is that this progression will be something like the Giant’s Souls being necessary to deal real damage to Vendrick. The more of these special items you collect, you get a damage multiplier which is only active in the DLC and not during PvP.
I assumed it meant the “spend souls to directly increase your offensive power” mechanic that sekiro had (unlocked thru the pot nobles I think?) rather than the boss memory attack-ups.
So like, this new “shadow” zone would have “shadow” levels that increase your attack just within the dlc, an offensive power modifier separate from your strength etc stats that affect the main game, so that they can scale difficulty based on that just within the dlc
I'm really glad to hear this, honestly, because I wanted to start the dlc with all the weapons I've obtained. However, I was afraid that would end up kind of souring my first experience with it, making it too easy. I thought I was gonna have to do a whole new file just to experience the dlc the proper way.
I started a new character and took him through almost all of limgrave, liurnia, and I’m going through caelid now. And I’m gonna drop him off once I’m in the mogwin palace. I think you’re encouraged to go through the game in this order before reaching the capital, and I think seeing the story lid out this way will provide more insight, for me personally at least. Just giving a series of events that smoothly transition and make sense, as well as getting more difficult with each main boss
I also plan on stopping him at level 80 for the time being as I’m pretty confident I could do well, but have room for growth THROUGH the expansion
Very useful and informative video, appreciated it👌🏻
I would love to know what lvl your Carian Royal Knight and his weapons are cuz that looks fun af man!
The video was great too, thanks on the off chance ya read this!
looked like a +7 weapon at level 20 for low level invasions
I like the kings field music in the background
Interesting they're going with this approach. I usually tackle the DLCs after finding access to them:
- DS1 after O&S
- DS2 right after finding the appropriate key in the area
- BB right before Rom in the Chalice Dungeons then after Amelia
DS3 is the only exception since it's quite difficult to do the 1st DLC around Cathedral of the Deep/Farron Keep level range. I usually tackle both near the end of the game
Clever. One of the things that always got asked back in the DS2/Bloodborne DLCs was "What level should I be?"
It was particularly bad with The Old Hunters, because I feel each section of it was balanced for different levels. It was great fun to start a new chatacter, dive in and get a DLC weapon at as soon as hit Cathedral Ward, but most people only ever experienced that relatively easy area on a complete, end game build.
Obviously weapon upgrades, what spells you have access to, attunements slots, etc. will still be a problem, but now, every character enters the DLC at roughly the same power level, so long as they could defeat Mohg. Everyone gets a challenging experience throughout, without restricting the entire thing and all its equipment to the very end of the game.
I’ve never done a DLC on NG it’s always been a NG+ run usually like a NG++++
@@naterod NG+++ and upwards actually is the only real balance to being lvl 200+.
People don't enter at roughly the same level of power and not even close. If you're past 100 then the game is so much easier and you have so many stats. I'm planning to do the DLC with a lvl 50 character who has only leveled vigour but my other lvl 100 characters are the highest I'll go because beyond lvl 100 you just have too many stats to make it an actual build.
I entered Bloodborne DLC at lvl 254 in NG+4 and it felt perfect from start to finish.
I have quite literally never done the whole “oh this boss is hard, guess I should go elsewhere.” My response is bash my head into the wall until the wall crumbles.
An interesting choice to have multiple level-up systems in different areas. Obviously this will help to keep the DLC as difficult as need be. But this feature could see great use in other games
It's a dumb ass system, to be honest.
Ever heard of Light Level in Destiny 2? All your hard work for NOTHING. As the next season rolls by.
Don't waste my time by giving me 5 different hamster wheels.
From a game designer view... There better be a damn good reason as to why any player should re level over and over again just to access core content.
You don't break up the Leveling System like that. It's rule 101 for all Leveling Systems.
Imagine playing Skyrim but you have to re level your Skills every time you enter a new province under different Jarls.
It's not bold. It's not innovative. It's simply idiotic and foolish.
(This is Elden Ring. Not Armored Core 6. If they wanted that kind of system, another game would service it better. NOT A DLC from a game with a long standing Level Up System. This isn't even Paragon too.)
Paragon is a better system than having to redo progression from the ground up.
The reasons are obvious, if you're levelled past the level the DLC expects you to have, you now don't dominate everything immediately. On the other hand, completing the DLC does not make you overlevelled for the main game, Final boss, stuff like that.
I recently got to the DLC of DS3, and I felt conflicted about not defeating Soul of Cinder before I access it, it makes sense for that boss to be the last one I fight, but I also don't want him to be too easy. I had to pick my poison.
With two separate levelling systems, that can be avoided. @@absolstoryoffiction6615
This gives me feeling like it's the same thing that they did for king vindrek in ds2 with the giant souls
It basically is it's just an easy mode for players who are struggling with the end game level enemies.
This is great news. I was worried my lvl 170 char would be too strong in NG but now I am relieved.
I mean this will work in the lore of the game as well. In the lands between your strength scales with how much grace you collect and power up so it would only follow that in the land of shadow you would need some different form of "energy" to scale your power. Also I think I know why it is the lands between now we are in the land between the shadow realm and some other realm that has yet to be described in lore and may never be at this point.
It's still a dumb idea. By that extend... Many of the content tied to the Base Game should be negated if I were to follow that same logic.
Your max leveled and max amount Flask?... GONE.
Your Rune Archs?... Not usable.
Your free PvP items?... Not place able.
"Do everything again as if you started a new character if you want to access the DLC."
It's a slap in the face to all players who put time in the Base Game.
You are free to have that opinion. Just remember just because you have it doesn't make you right.
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Oh... But I am right... Because no one wants to run in a hamster wheel. Destiny 2 does this with Light Levels and no one is rooting for it.
The difference between enjoyment and criticism is not the same.
I will enjoy the DLC but I'm no fool in that, if this is how the DLC works. Then such a design is flawed to begin with.
Again... King Vendrick/Sekiro is the more innovative option.
Making your investment in the BASE GAME worthless in the DLC by resetting everything back to lv1... Is a far cry away from innovation.
Light Level is the hamster wheel. And what I just mentioned, is akin to making a new character for BS reasons rather than choice by the players.
(I am right because that kind of design is as worthless as Soul Memory back in DS2.)
Unless you enjoy running on hamster wheels... ... ... Rule 101 of game design. Never split your Leveling System if it covets the same practically. And in this case, Stats for Damage and Defence etc.
WoW has this same issue every single expansion. And that's just one MMO out of many.
Too many Systems that bog up the original ideal by trying to do the same damn thing in the end.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 you can't invest in a video game because there is no financial return. You don't get reset back to level 1 you are at the same level when you are in the lands between and nobody knows how the leveling system will work exactly in the DLC you are just assuming you are as weak as if you made a new character but it's not confirmed how the leveling will work in the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC. You are freaking out about something that you created in your brain and doesn't exist in the real world.
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By that same logic. The same is true in this case.
As some commenters have stated in relation to a lv1 start off for the DLC with lv125+ characters.
Still haven't played Elden Ring. I've 100% all Soulsborne games, from PS3, Remasters etc, but AM TRULY savouring the moment when I finally dive into it! 😎
Do it you'll love it.
If you press the L2 button it kills things the best
The strengthening mechanic sounds like a good idea on paper, depending on how exactly it works. Though I'm hoping we get more Sacred Seals and catalysts in general so I don't have to go to ng+ to finish a build, I primarily co-op with randoms while in the process of completing builds/leveling but having to get all the summon pools on each cycle is a pain for things like the Communion Seal for Arc/Faith or Staff of Loss for Night Sorcs, just takes too long cause the map is so damn big
It’s weird how there’s a stigma in the Souls community against going and getting stronger to beat the boss you’re struggling with when that’s literally what the Developers have always intended.
“Oh you had an upgraded weapon so your kill doesn’t mean as much”
“Oh you where higher level than normal so your kill doesn’t count”
“You’re supposed to keep dying till you kill it”
Ooh i wonder if thematically it'll be referred to as something like "shadow power," because if you remember in the base game there's that dungeon that has shadow enemies that you can't even hit until you expose them to the light, and in the trailer there are several enemies that appear similarly covered in shadow. Maybe as you progress through the DLC you gain a sort of connection to the Land of Shadow that allows you to more effectively deal with threats native to that realm.
That Carian Knight build SLAPS!!!!!
Based on that hunter, dancer and monk like character. I think there are new characters pre-set on the char creation.
Honestly wouldnt hate this idea, would be interesting
Sounds good. Need to see their realisation.
Nice Kingsfield OST in the background 👌
This is something I have been mulling over. I made this overleveled new character just so I could use every new weapons and spells to my liking. But that also means I will lose sense of progression which is so vital in Elden Ring experience. So what Miyazaki said here feels assuring. I have several characters DLC ready that are on NG+ and I will do just another while keeping things minimal so that I can enjoy the progression as much as possible in the DLC.
that last clip was god tier
Arise, ye Tarnished, thy time is nigh, to forge anew the chorus of the cosmos, grace reborn in the crucible of thy trials. Behold the journey of ascension from the forlorn abyss to the sublime dominion of stars. Thou art the nexus between dust and divinity, the covenant of light's resurgence, the heralds of the Erdtree's hallowed revival. Arise and let the shattered world behold thy radiance reborn.
Or perhaps regardless of your character level, in the shadow lands you start “fresh” but with your build. So it might not even matter what level you are, high or low. But this is just a quick speculation
What music are you using at 2:30? Is it from a FromSoftware game? It’s been driving me crazy! Any help is greatly appreciated
Ie they are going to add new stats that only work in the dlc areas to increase attack power for that area only / defense for that area only. So you could start that area with lower or higher builds and still feel a sense of progression.
There's wonderous flask and great rune that he might be talking about
I got a question about the dlc in ng +. I have a character who is lvl 200 in journey 5, so if i take that character into the dlc, would it be the same as if i was lvl 200 in ng or would the dlc be scaled to higher ng + cycles?
This is just gonna be giant souls from dark souls 2. I forget his name but that depressed king boss you find wandering around his room. He’s super resistant to damage but every giant soul you collect negates a bit of that damage resistance. Once you have them all, he’s no different than a normal boss. I imagine they’re going to recycle that system for the dlc. All enemies and bosses will likely have some kind of shadow “armor” or something. Maybe a nerfed version of needing the transient curse for the ghosts in dark souls 1. Then you go around collecting a new type of item and every one you get will decrease a bit of that armor/damage negation. Once you’ve found them all, it’ll probably be similar to the base game and your op builds will be op again. Just my guess but I think it makes sense
Look up Bungie's Light system from Destiny. it like soft just copied Bungie homework.
@@SpottedHares i mean I’ve played Destiny. Light level is pretty much just a standard item level thing from most MMOs. That could be what they’re doing here but, at least to me, it would make more sense for them to do something they’ve done in the past rather than something entirely new. Plus there’s the issue with invalidating previous builds and gear unless they make all gear upgradable to this new system… and the video already went into issues with that way of doing this
Maybe something similar to King Vendrick in DS2? His HP was unreasonable high until you collect 5 giant souls.
No matter what trouble we were in during our journey through the Lands Between, Marika was out there supporting our efforts through our gradually restored Grace and strength. But going to the Land of Shadow means going beyond where she can help us, and now we will need to find new ways to overcome the challenges put before us. Such is the interpretation I believe for what's going on here. Gonna be very interesting to see how it works gameplay-wise.
but how does the attack power buff work in pvp in dlc areas?
Well guess that this will interest since I have a non leveled character at Mikela hand waiting for DLC to drop intending to beat with scavenger challenge only using DLC items and only leveling there.
This. This over here is why, after 2 years, I have yet to get into NG+, because I do not want to skip anything that can or will be available with my beloved character and all the effort I put into its progression. Knowing that there will still be a sense of progression in the DLC puts me at ease that I will not miss anything by “rushing” the base content or being overpowered.
I wonder if it will be similar to BOTW where you can take on the final threat from the gate.
You're right.
Your analysis is correct, i agree 👌🏻
So, what I'm getting out of this is that for the DLC we'll start out as essentially a tarnished +0, and we'll end off the game as a tarnished +10 or even a tarnished +15 (i.e. normal damage or higher). I'm quite stoked if this is the case, it'd be a very interesting system for progression.
So wait, does that mean I should be okay to start this DLC on my NG+6 character? I only ever make one characters for souls games and like getting to high NG+ cycles. I just say this because Sekiro’s attack power scales with NG+ cycles until you hit 99, so I’m hoping SOTE “attack power” doesn’t expect me to have like 60 at NG+6 when I realistically have 0 since I never touched it before.
would it be possible to say, based on this translation, whether or not it would be viable to go into the DLC at a lower level, with an incomplete build?
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if this power system replaced upgrade materials entirely.
I really want to try out a bunch of new weapons in the dlc. Hell, there's a few I haven't tried in the base game. But having to grind out Stones for a weapon that might not be worth it sucks.
It's not like progression would be invalidated, since you'd still have stat scaling.
I also think that the martial arts fighting style seems to be a potential Sekiro like upgrade since we don't see any weapons equipped.
That’s why I’m going to do it on my level 30 + 3 weapon level character
This is gonna be sick af
If they make it like this, then it's going to feel very rewarding going through the dlc, this makes me more excited!
What i wonder is will NG+ carry over or will the dlc have an entirely separate NG+ like if i wanted to get 2 of a weapon in the start of the DLC would i need to beat the dlc or beat the base game
King's Field music in the background? NICE
So, in your opinion. Should the expansion still feel good at NG+ 4 and 5 or beyond, based on this system? I've kept my level at 220 so I'm not worried about that. But NG+ felt very easy
This is an absolutely amazing idea.. I don't want to be overpowered and smash the DLC or it will be boring.
If this does work how we think it does then I think this is such a great way of handling this issue. But I also wonder how this will handle invasions in the dlc. Will it only match you with people on the same level? I imagine so but how many levels are there. Is it exactly like sekiro where they are only dropped from bosses meaning there are not actually a lot of them giving you a big boost each time. Or is it like the normal levelling system in elden ring and other souls games where you get to about level 100-150 at the end of the game. Then it would have to work like the main game where it dosnt have to be on the exact same level otherwise the chance of you being invaded/invading someone would be a lot lower.
Its called visiting Palace approach ledge with sacred blade
what does this mean regarding pur weapon scalings and builds and stuff?
Neat. Saw it as a problem for NG+ already how the end of NG seems to already expect you to hit soft caps. Decent fix for the DLC.
Love that Kings Field OST!!
The thing I respect is that when they could just keep doing g the exact same thing, knowing people will buy it still, Miyazaki is still interested in experimenting with game design to deliver a rewarding experience to the players.
Well, if they introduce that mechanic it would be quite interesting, on the other hand I don't think they will remove the basic level increase system in the DLC, possibly the enemies will continue dropping runes and basic improvement items but these improvements will only affect the terrain pvp of the DLC
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE SONG PLAYING IN THE BACKROUND OF THIS VIDEO PLEASE!!!
edit: the one that is playing on the section : The Problem
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King's Field IV - Dark Reality