CannonBall - The Enhanced OutRun Engine, now on the Amiga !
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I hope you enjoy my port of this great game.
MY favorite all time driving game. Got in on my upright driving cab in the living room as well. Really hop you can compile a version with background graphics, for us with really fast 68K Amigas.
+Modern Vintage Gamer Any updates made to the engine? if so any chance of a video for those of us who don't have a Vampire :-(
Enjoy? Its the first game i played in the Arcade 1987 (Gran Canaria hehe). Love u
I hope my amiga mods I submitted worked well for this.
This is how OutRun / Cannonball is suppsoed to sound. :) - th-cam.com/video/t-93kDC8Vac/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for doing this. I can remember how devastated I was when I first saw the US Gold / Probe port of Outrun on the Amiga.
Excellent ! Nice to see those initiatives on older Amiga boosted with Vampire cards. I'll get one someday and will enjoy all that ! Thanks for the efforts!
This project has to be one of the highlights of mankind's offerings! More projects like this please!
Very nice idea this port, thx MVG. well done.
The Vampire is really insane! And this new port looks fantastic!
This is pretty impressive. Reminds me of the fantastic Pole Position port that runs the same logic as the arcade -- just like CannonBall does. For speed, I would turn off the enhancements like rendering more arches than the arcade; that was almost certainly left in on purpose since the missing arches give variety to convey speed and direction. In fact, you could have a demotion setting that renders only half of them, in varying deletions to continue to give the variety.
Fantastic video and what an excellent port of outrun well done indeed
Damn I really need a Vampire now! Guess I can fire up the Emulator. Great video as always MVG! Also didn't realize you do ports like this. Way to go! -- Bill
ha ha! I have a Pi3 and it is great, but nothing beats using real Amiga hardware - even though a Vampire is not original at least you are still using an Amiga. I love emulation, but always try to use the real stuff when I can.
Its like reading a porn mag instead of the real thing.
ahhhhh ha ha ha! Good one Remi!
Yeah, but that is what makes the Pi and emulation cool. The real stuff is expensive (and will keep getting more expensive) so at least you can still enjoy Amiga with out breaking the bank. I recently installed Amiberry which is cool as well.
jason andrew The best way to experience Outrun is to buy a Sega Saturn: it has the best version, better than the arcade because it run at 60fps. I paid my Saturn 25 €, 10€ for the official Sega steering wheel (in decent condition), 25 € for a modchip, some solder and a switch to do the (50/60 Hz and region mod). Total: around 60/70€
Wow finally Outrun on Miggy!! Thanks for this amazing port :)
Stop calling it a miggy you twat
What a great game! I remember when I was a kid playing that game in arcade stores...
Not to denigrate your work in way, but it makes me kind of sad that you need such a powerful system to run a decent version of Outrun and even then some stuff had to be sacrificed to keep it playable.
I understand that emulation requires a lot of horsepower and that expecting anyone to write an Amiga version of Outrun from scratch is pretty much out of the question, but I can't help thinking that even a stock 7Mhz A500 would be capable of a pretty decent Outrun port if it was coded specifically for the system, and that an AGA Amiga, especially with an 030 or better would be capable of a pretty much arcade perfect port.
While everyone agrees that the Amiga port of Outrun was horrible, most arcade ports in general on the Amiga weren't very good. Even 'decent' ones had WTF elements. Like Alien Syndrome not having parallax scrolling, jerky push-scrolling and leaving out two levels. Or the tiny bikes in Super Hang-On and the fact that they keep trying to crash into you. The Amiga was capable of so much more...
OutRun arcade version is very demanding. A special Outrun hardware mainboard was developed for it alongside to program the game itself, this mainboard was expensive to produce in 1986.
+lurkerrekrul : "...expecting anyone to write an Amiga version of Outrun from scratch is pretty much out of the question". Believe it or not, doing just that is a mad dream of mine and I'm slowly getting the Amiga 68k chops together...
psychodelicacy.net/img/dpaint_outrun_ferrari_8col.png
psychodelicacy.net/img/dpaint_outrun_bm_artic_8col.png
Yes, I think it's totally possible (making nice outrun port on vanilla A500 (with 1MB ram). I remember reading a interview from one of the guy that did port of Mortal Kombat 2 for the Amiga, and if I remember correctly, it took him 10 months (along with the rest of the team) to do it, even he is very experience with that stuff. And in my opinion, if you ignore constant disk swapping, that was excellent port, and MK2 on A500 felt in gameplay very similar like arcade version.
So, Outrun shouldn't be impossible to do, especially if we are already having games like Lotus.
I've offered my help with music for this project (beta versions here) : psychodelicacy.net/modplayer.php
Now, each of the main tunes is around the 200k mark - and even if I got them down to about 150k it might be a stretch to get a game using them onto a vanilla A500 (i.e. 512k Chip + 512k 'Slow' RAM). I'm pretty insistent that OutRun without the proper music isn't really OutRun :). I think what we might try to start with is an AGA-type version first, see how that goes, then see if we can do it in 1MB Chip RAM (i.e. A500+ and A600).
Great work man! Keep it up :D
Wow, i love this game! Good job!
This is pretty cool. I wonder what the next Amiga project you will want to work on?
Looks great! So how does the Vampire enhancement in your Amiga 600 compare to the original Amiga 600 hardware from back in the day?
Great, my favorite arcade driving game. Please, please, compile a version with background graphics as well.
Totally awesome!!! I love your contibutions to the Amiga scene =D
Wow Cannonball got ported to the Amiga. That looks pretty impressive.
Any decision to touch up the artwork itself? Simple copperlist to shade the sky a little. What did you think of Outrun 3D Javascript?
Outstanding work!! How easy would be to add support for Super Hang On and Turbo Out Run. I have the PCBs for all these games and it's the same hardware. Once again....awesome!
Superb stuff man, Im sure you can enable the background with some more optimizations. Well done... Well done...
Back in the day, I had the C64 version that I recall as being perfectly playable
Putting right, what once went wrong!! Looking awesome, amazing work!
Great job - Nice to see this on the trusty Amiga! :-)
Also one idea for an optimization is to clip the zooming sprites when they get close to the camera. The 3DS version of OutRun does this more aggressively than the arcade machine, and it's barely noticeable.
interesting idea - i will look into it. thanks!
Have a look in olevelobjs.cpp
Try changing the 0x200 value here to be something smaller
if (z16 >= 0x200)
{
hide_sprite(sprite);
return;
}
The code is duplicated multiple times over (it was like that in the original for optimization purposes, so I carried it over for clarity)
That's one quick idea for you.
yes that works great, it get a little touchy however with the collisions of the roadside sprites if you take it too low it allows you to drive without colliding into anything :)
ill keep tweaking it. I also noticed that the line above it ie if (z16 < 4) allows you to adjust the draw distance of the sprites. that may help also.
Please re-attempt Street Fighter 1 (1987), that was my heart broken right there when Tiertex coughed up the crud they did with that game, I'd really like to see if the Amiga could do a reasonable conversion of SF1.
It certainly could but SF1 it's not worth it in my opinion. In fact, the Amiga 1200 could have had the best home version of Street Fighter II, better than that of any computer or console of the time (even better than the arcade in some aspects, like audio) if only the Amiga developers had made an actual effort.
Don't believe me? Watch this: th-cam.com/video/33kH9DdNznA/w-d-xo.html
@@kaisersoymilk6912 Only issue is I hate SF2 and would never be interested in how good a version is, I would just like to see a better version of SF1 on Amiga just to see what was possible if out the hands of Tiertex.
@@ZEUSDAZ Wow, that's strange, I know it's a matter of taste but SF is objectively vastly inferior to SFII.
I get the nostalgia though, I played SF a lot in the arcades (in fact, it was the only arcade game I could finish due to how unbalanced it was: special moves were basically cheating).
@@kaisersoymilk6912 I just loved the speed of the game, the "sudden death killer instinct" feel of it, I loved the tunes as they were far more catchier than those in SF2 and the characters were drawn so much nicer with convincing skin tones unlike the comic characters of SF2, SF2 to me was not only too slow and easy it was milked beyond belief to the point of exhaustion and I got totally sick of it, fun in 2 player mode I guess but left me totally unsatisfied in 1-player mode that I went straight back to the faster killer feel of SF1 within days.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 P.S, this is what I mean regarding that "sudden death" excitement feel that gave me my fix, the speed was insane compared to SF2,...SF2 was more "I'll just pop out for a coffee and finish the round when I get back" feel: th-cam.com/video/__LzxXJPH7c/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic work and the fact that true Arcade versions can be made to work with a Vampired Amiga is incredible, why isn't this being done to more games (or am I missing out?). The one thing I will say about this particular mod is while I'm not too bothered with the music being changed, the missing sound effects (engine, skidding) really take away from the immersiveness. It's been a year and a half since this video, so Is there still work being done to improve/update this mod?
!! Woah! Could you add native Amiga copper effects for the background? Them old-ass gradient effects come to mind.
oh man, you are a legend. Really talented
Holy shit! I need to try this.
Nice1 mate, will be in my top10 to try first when I get vamped 😀
Excellent stuff.
It'd be great if there was a toggle to remove half of the trackside objects, just showing every odd or even item on the trackside, to improve performance.
So... we can use this engine to develop racing games for the Amiga? Excellent port of my favorite Sega game, btw! It blows the official release away.
I will enjoy a new Out Run version on Amiga when it will run on a standard system with a 7Mhz 68000 and 1mb RAM. I don't really understand the challenge here. but it's just an opinion of course.
totally awesome :-) downloading now
looking good...
Looks great! Is this still in active development? =)
Hello, i am currently making (or thinking about making) a video on best Amiga Remakes, i have a few so far e.g Bomb Jack Beer Edition, Stunt Car Racer TNT, i would love to include your game as it is class and after the disappointment of that atrocious US Gold version i think that my viewers would love that too....problem is... i cant get it running (obs never gonna run on my A500 standard) but cant get it running through Winuae either.... i have however played the PC version and its totally kickass. Do you have some footage that i can use in my video of the gameplay?... please let me know ASAP as i would love to include it :-)
This is so cool !
Is an amiga with a vampire thing still a real amiga? Genuine question because I know very little about this.
Literally 2 days ago I was lying in the bath thinking that if I was rich I would commission a god-level programmer to write a port of outrun on the amiga, the way it should have been done originally.
This video is great, but the fact it needs custom hardware enhancements, makes it quite different to what I was imagining.
What other games are you thinking of working on matey
Will this easily run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm 060 and a Picasso IV and Conceirto sound card? or does it need more power than that..?
Did it run?
This is bloody unreal ! 👍
This is just great.
How long did this take you? are you planning any more?
hi mate. I know this is an old vid now. I note there is a MorphOS version of this. So am I correct in thinking it would run on MorphOS on a G4 Mac Mini?
So I'm guessing this won't run on my original A500 then?!
I wanna see a remake of Street Fighter 1 on miggy, the tiertex release back in 1988 broke my heart, I ended up bne in the end.
Hi there! Nice! Maybe it might work on 68060 and AGA? Virtual GP is pretty advanced 3D game the works nicely on 060. Anyway! Fantastic port!
outstanding
Cannonball can be configured to reduce the number of sprites to show incomplete bridges on the Gateway level. This was caused by a sprite display limit on the original hardware. Has this been enabled or disabled on the Amiga port? I'd rather see incomplete bridges (like the original arcade machine) and backgrounds than have whole bridges and no backgrounds.
ah it require MAME roms..I thought it was a complete amiga porting.
However it's nice to see on AmigaOS 3. Good job :)
Yep. I true native port should hopefully run better on an 68060/100MHz, without the need for ditching music and backgrounds :(
Good Job !
hi :)
Works on Blizzard PPC (with 040/060) and BVision with CGX? Good job!
yes it does
What is the current status of this port? I haven't seen any recent videos of it.
Incredible work.
Hello, i have an question.
i am using xbox 360 and i bought arcade joystick cabinet, and they installed few games which are working fine with arcade joystick and now i downloaded a game King of Fighters 13, but when i installed the game in xbox its not working with arcade joystick.
i am not sure what the problem is its been 3 days i am searching all over the internet and didnt found anyone to help me out.
so can you tell me how can i make my joystick cabinet work with new games that i installed ? how can i calibrate joystick? please let me know if you can help
The Spectrum 128k version was actually better than ALL of the home computer versions back in 1987
using mods sounds not a sacrifice to me :) it makes this game a true Amiga port :) check Gryzor covers of outrun. (Gryzor was the man behind Amiga Mods Anthology, he was also a good coder (DMACON) and musician.
I am using Gryzors mods - while they are great, i wish it was more true to the original game
Modern Vintage Gamer I know that there is a beautiful AHX (but incomplete) version of outrun. maybe if you can implement the AHX replay routine, AHX would be the way to go ?
At the risk of sounding like I'm blowing my own trumpet, I've been working on some PT MOD versions - you can listen to the beta versions here: psychodelicacy.net/modplayer.php
This is an amazing conversion. Allister Brimble did the music for the GBA version but it doesn't seem to be a mod or xm module. It is not Sappy format either. He might be able to advise on how to convert the GBA version music to the Amiga.
I mean you have to sacrifice some things to get other things in the port which isn't too different to what US Gold did with the original port. At least this is running at a proper frame rate so that's good.
Great video, thanks! Will this run on a 1200/4000 with an 060?
Its not a Amiga 500, its not even an amiga at all really. You need a Vampire add on card to run it from mame files. Itrs a bit misleading, people will think its a normal Amiga.
Cool. Now we just need to persuade you to get this on the Atari Jaguar :-)
what is the music played at the end of the video where the like buttons appear?
Wow. Just wow :)
Extremely impressive! Though using the Vampire 2 chip does feel a little like cheating. Technically it's still an Amiga, but you don't get that satisfaction of saying "Look what we can achieve on an Amiga" when it's not the original hardware. Don't get me wrong though, this is very impressive and cool.
As for the music, if I had the time I would make you the arcade-accurate MODs myself as it's the kind of thing I love doing and I adore the OutRun music - I did it for the Spectrum (in 3 channels). I know I'm not going to have time though.
@Svein Are Karlsen The difference is that you could buy a 68030, 68040 or 68060 accelerator back in the 90's, but you couldn't get the FPGA that Vampire uses.
@Svein Are Karlsen I wasn't saying one this is "better" or "more pure" than another. But running an Outrun arcade perfect port on modern hardware isn't an achievement. I can do that on a cheap Raspberry Pi. Vampire is a full single-board computer for installation into an A600. It's not technically speaking Amiga at all. It doesn't NEED any part of the A600 other than for power delivery. It emulates the entire chipset in hardware using the FPGA. So an Amiga game that REQUIRES a Vampire isn't technically speaking an Amiga game.
That being said. No beef with Vampire or this Outrun port. It looks solid.
@Svein Are Karlsen Whatever gives you the maximum enjoyment from your Amiga or other retro hardware is fine by me :)
I get erro SDL initialization failed: No available video device. I am running on a piStorm32lite board. Can someone help?
Cool!!!
what does the vampire do to the video output capabilities please? aaa?
Looks amazing, great effort.
Would a power pc Amiga have the power to run it better?
Hey, did you ever get to continue with this project?
Does this port require a Vampire? Tried running it in WinUAE and it didn't run.
Wow!
how did you port it and from which source?
How could i missed this news, thx i have to donwload it. My a600 gonna burn this weekend.
Gonna try this on a 68030@55Mhz, I know I will be disappointed but I wanna se what happens.
Stupid SDL_AGA requires FPU!
Guess I have to hope for the Vampire 1200 then. :|
nice, dont you think games would look better on original monitor. :) or non LCD :)
Will it run on non-apollo Amigas, like A1200+turbo (030/040/060) or A600 with Furia (020/882FPU)?
technically it will run on 030 or higher, but you need RTG. There is no support for AGA/ECS at this time
Will it work on an A1200 with 68030 ?
Perche l'A600 ha il led power spento?
Now we have PiStorm we can have missing gfx and audio?
Much better than the original.
WOW
Amazing! Well done!
What compiler are you using to compile your programs?
i use AmiDevCPP (GNU C/C++) and use WinUAE to debug. There also some .asm code as well, i use vbcc for that
Are you doing all of those scaled blits with real time scaling? or is it precalculated?
There is, I should imagine, a lot of scope for Amiga specific re-implementation, but that way lies madness.
Though, being based on a twin 68k CPU Outrun would seem to be uniquely well suited to such shenanigans.
Suffice to say that running unmodified 68000 code isn't likely to be a whole lot of help on the speed front.
Which is, of course, the point of Cannonball itself: To reimplement the game logic in a portable way.
This is awesome! Would love to see a similar Atari ST port, now that would be a challenge! I still bear the pain of that disappointment to this day of that abomination!
What would you need to do to the Atari ST computer hardware to achieve a similar Atari ST port (conversion)?
@@jasonlee7816 a Falcon!
@@jasonlee7816 Outrun was very basic, the atari ST could have done better also
@TechRyze I would love to see a well done falcon version of outrun, it would probably improve on the arcade version easily.
Was "Cannonball" named after the Cannonball Run movie? Hope so.
I believe so. Outrun itself was inspired by the movie, so it fits
Is this not on a stock machine?
that looks fantastic, well done! hope you do implement the option to add the missing gfx over frame rate :)
Dell TFT 15/50 ?
Excellent job! It would be awesome if you share the base source code with us!
Matheus Avlis I am setting up on github and will share the link shortly
Modern Vintage Gamer | Fantastic!
If this has been coded up to the Vampire, how would it run on a Quad core PC with Winuae ?? :)
Probably pretty well. It can emulate a 68060 with its JIT recompiler, can't it? (I'm only family with FS-UAE on Linux)
Cool, found the WIndows version plays well, What happened to 'Layout', cant get a working download link from Github.
it runs fine on WinUAE. It was developed and tested on it :)
Hi i can do some music in the mod format for you
do Amiga Turbo Out Run
wowwww!! :)
Hey any chance this will work on the A500 mini?
yes, with AminiMIGA
Has anyone tested Microprose's Formula One Grand Prix on the Vampire?
yes it runs amazingly fast
An 68020+FastRAM is enough for F1GP. If you switch the Amiga to NTSC you even gain additional 20% fps.
i hope they port to sega genesis (mega drive)
when will this be updated to work with core 2.9+
I don't have a 2.9 system unfortunately
so no access to a vampire you can update for free?