I truly understand her Dad though. He sacrificed a lot in his life to make sure his kids had semi-decent lives, and because of their culture he probably got shit on a lot. So to be able to basically say "Everything I suffered for was worth it, and you all doubted me and THEM" is a HUGE point of pride.
Yeaaaah but Chindo can be very vindictive sometimes. Also if you listen to what she said, they want her to help them doing stuff for free. And you will be surprised how naggy they can be. There's a reason a lot of Indonesians hiding their wealth.
Classic asian family, beside jealousy shes definitely become that one cousin who is now become the comparison scale by all the parents in that circle lmao
The more she spoke about her dad proudly bragging about her, how he stood up for her when everyone else "passively" put her down because she followed her dreams and how he just hypes her up makes me just say "GET THIS MAN A DRINK!". Amazing dad lmao
It's great he's proud but he also is jeopardising her, Michi has confided in him many times and he is laying all her personal life out for the rest of her (not very pleasant) family :(
Ngl, if someone i knew was that tight lipped about their work, my first assumption would be something illegal, or something theyre ashamed of lol. Cue many vtubers telling stories of how ppl thought they were OF models
@@blahblahboii I'm a janitor and I had to sign an NDA. I can't even say who I work for besides the government, most likely the same for all government employees.
A friend of mine signed an NDA to work maintenance for a few months at a new building from meta in Burgos. Too bad the NDAs are worth shi under the contract he was working(you can't sing ANY paper that gives you any kind of legar responsibility and if you do, it's not valid)
@@Empyrean_Enigma Thats why youre saying "government" and not "sorry, NDA." Additionally for context, NDA might make sense to friends, depending on proximity, but (especially for us asians) would raise eyebrows when used with family.
I’m in my 30’s and my parents still compare me to other peoples kids. While people not in my family circle are impressed by my accomplishments. I’ve learned to deal with it.😂
the good side is, you WILL know if someone in trouble in your neighborhood instantly and ready to gather the help needed. The bad side is everyone WILL KNOW that you are in trouble
@@timtim6373 This. I’ve always tell people not to get too attached to their Internet personalities (with all the horrible connotations with parasocialism). They exist to entertain us, and that’s that.
my family never gets together, i haven't seen most of my cousins in over a decade, they moved to other states to find decent jobs but ended up making basically min wage and none of us have money to travel. my grandparents passed in 2020 and our whole family dynamic fell apart completely thinking about it now.
I really hate family gatherings 😭😭😭 when the times come i always need to search for an excuse,i feel suffocated and tired… nobody even likes me in my dad’s side why they are so eager to invite me, just to put me down? I really hate it
Glad that I don't have this type of family, we've meet together on certain even but not talking about money and job. But I heard there's alot of this type of Family Gatherings in Indonesia
Aye... And in my case (I was a Community Translator for an indie game) I didn't get paid, but instead I got myself some premium account, my pops literally said "You know? Our neighbor's children made a lot of money by working on local office, we wanted to see the REAL THING, not some internet currency" (I still work as a translator atm) After that, I'll never tell them about any damn thing... EVER! Because after I told them anything about work, one of them will always say "this work will be *insert it's cons", "that won't do it for the future", etc.... I know they're worried and all that whole "It's to open your mind", but seriously... They defo need to tone it down (sorry if I've ranted/trauma dump much)
@@ryoumakoushiro7447 always the fucking case with them. if it's not "practical" or "productive" it's "worthless" to them. I'm sorry man, keep doin what makes you happy. and just because someone else can't see the value, you know the value.
Funny in Anglo-American culture if you ask or say anything about money, salary prices, etc, it’s very bad and taboo. Everyone will try to avoid the question, change the subject, give a passing answer like “it was expensive enough!” And then talk bad about whoever asked behind their back later.
@@mcRydes Very different in Asian culture. Everyone(specifically, traditional Asians) always wants to be in everyone’s business when they don’t need to. They always make it a point that if you’re not working a six figure job, then that job is worthless and that you need to find something better.
Depends on where in the world you are. In EU it is a workers right to discuss salaries and cannot be suppressed by NDA’s. In the US it depends on state legislations, and if the NDA is specifically covering Salary or not. In some states a company could try to cover it with NDA, but if it would hold up in court is a different matter as NDA’s have been watered down in recent case law. What you say to your family is up to you, but it’s always a good idea to check your contract and make sure salary is not covered under nda. It is not i. The employees best i terest to not be able to discuss salaries and compensations.
@@chrisvighagen But Michi's family would realistically not know that off the top of their heads. Hell, most Americans don't even know what they can say in American companies.
Outwardly: "My daughter is awesome and she's going to do wonderful things and be a great success! You watch!" Inwardly: "Michi, if you don't do wonderful things... you'd better marry a rich man. I have to live with these people for another 50 years."
To be real, he's probably too stubborn and embarresed to admit that letting his kid to do artsy stuff was a "wrong" choice in terms of the asian education system. And now that she's making money, everything seems to be right because he was the one that made the choice.
@@maximi1iano963It doesn't need to be that way. Why is it so hard for people to think that a parent supporting you following your passion is secretly hating you for it? And I know that's not what you said, but still. They worked hard and aided her child in becoming who she is today, and that is something that is not easy to do. All while being belittled and made fun of by their blood. And he still defended her. You could say that is what a parent should do, but we shouldn't take this sort of stuff for granted.
Passive aggressive treatment for being too poor... Passive aggressive treatment for being too rich... Michi needs to tell them that in addition to being under an NDA, she's also under a non-compete agreement that prevents her from doing her work on anyone's behalf except her employer. She can use that as an excuse as to why she can't help anyone do anything.
the vultures called... family.... the next thing michi would hear "i took care of you when you were in diapers or something" just to hint for a gift/cash
And then there's like one family friend who you used to play with and their parents would say "Ouh you used to play with my little boy, he's got a nice job, why don't you get to know each other?" 😮💨
@lunechann it would have been great if it was like that... then there is also that thing where they say "can you refer our child to the same job as you have" like its that easy to bring someone inside
theyd steal from you for as long as they can while badmouthing you from behind and then when youre down on your luck they wont give two shits and brag on how they finally proved their superiority buncha leeching crabs
always ... i hate that -.-;; Thou there was 2 times from people who we didn't even see in ages. I just told: "OH! To bad, times will be better. OH! look at the time, I'm busy.. BYE!" and then hung up. Not even give it a second.
Nothing drains your money more than family...that you don't have to pay for. When you have cousins coming up to you and the second question out their mouth is "how much do you make," they're going to try to get your money. And if your family/friends treat you like crap because you're winning in their eyes, downgrade that relationship. Those aren't people you need in your life, except as examples of who not to be.
I’m Chindo (Chinese-Indonesian). Most of my family members came from arts major lol 😂 but yeah, we’re seen as the failures. I find that most Indonesian parents (regardless the subcultures) have this kind of mindset. Want free stuffs from other fam member that is deemed as successful, act vindictive against one and another, have no boundaries, a little too nosy, have beggar mindset (but don’t tell them that or they’ll lash out at you 😂), etc.
I had this argument with my philopino wifes family. Meanwhile the money I made was on a ship in the navy. Its not like I was rolling in cash with a new baby.
from what i can tell its poor people culture, its incredibility petty and greedy, theres no cultural division so when someone says theyre working in america, because theyve been fed that america some grandiose place rich people they assume youre uber rich for being there and theyre expecting you to payroll because youre family. ive seen middle easterners and some africans complain about their family digging for gold from them, and unfortunately most of the SEA is poor
I'm a Chinoy (Chinese - Filipino) and I really feel ya. I took Literature as my first major for 2 years and everyone kept questioning my choices in the ever-so passive Asian way. They stopped for a few years when they heard that I switched to a business major but them questions came back with even more gusto now that I'm in the workforce and not pursuing business. I'm only glad that my family is a bit more open minded than most and that they don't expect much from me
I love hearing family tea so much, there's something so mesmerizing in hearing wild things that have nothing to do with you, but that the person who is telling you about it has a stake in.
That's how SEA parents are especially those who experienced hardship growing up and provided for the family. Their achievement is seeing their children successful and they will forever brag about it no matter where, when and to whom
Very typical for Asian family. Its either a doctor or a lawyer. If you dont have those "upstanding" jobs, youre gonna be the talk of the neighbors for YEARS
Gossip by its very nature is malicious. SEA culture is just another bucket of crabs. The whole "my son is better than your son" bull crap is narcissistic parents copying their kids into their ego scheme. Fuck that Business, glad my culture isn't such a crab bucket
That statement is tantamount to boasting in a collective group because you're being snobbish and don't want to participate in the conversation. The objective is to downplay it in order to show that 1.) You're willing to get along and 2.) they don't ask for handouts in the future.
11:16 an aunty of mine was like that when our family was really broke, we couldn't afford AC in the living room like they could, so we had a big ass fan that we bought, which my mom sold her gold to buy, just to try an impress my aunt. And everytime there's a family gathering she'd say something along the lines of "Oh god it's hot here. How do we sleep later?" And my mom would just say "Ouh it'll get colder by night" i could see how sad she was. But now we're better off on money and my parents could brag about my sister's job and recently she got married and her husband had a superbike(Which is rare for an asian to have) so they get to brag about that, and my aunty who used to look down on us, they had some financial problems these past few years, but they're getting better now. So just don't say things that could hurt others, karma might bite back!
Tell that it's not an easy job, has high turnover rates (with some leaving within days of joining), and requires intuition as well as knowledge that you've built up as a designer. Intuition is insanely hard to learn and high turnover rates will likely dissuade them. Tell them that you've heard a good portion of people don't even make it through training.
>can hold grudges >still gets dogwalked by family "They werent being mean yknow, they were just being mean" Michi a lil too pure for this family of hers. I would never in my life talk badly about my extended family for having less than me, the only people in my extended family Ive ever had bad opinions were my aunt who slept around so much ending up with 7 babydaddies and my other aunt who just refuses to be an adult at her grown age. Yknow, people who are actively less than as people.
SEA parents back down when their kid earns a lot of cash from jobs they do not approve of. They also turn to either one of two things: accepting parents who try to understand their kids’ way of life….or the ones who will profit off of you and demand your salary to prop up their way of life.
Different from family to family. If your parents have real manners they won't care if you make money or not, just be safe with money is all they want. All kids here feel filial piety because parents work hard.
If her dad knew about reddit, this would definitely have shown up on one of those revenge subreddits. Lmao. That man was basking in the glory of just showing off his "art major" daughter. Man ive never seen a SEA parent so proud.
Based dad ❤❤❤❤❤❤ But ... I hope he should shut up at points of how money she get... Because i pray for god they family dont ended up like.. One week or months later, some of other family member who know how much money michi got, will call for money laundering 😅 Or.." help me, i need some money and i will pay back " type of people will come up to her family You know what i mean? Desperate liar need money want steal but say he just want borrow money type of guy or girl It exist in every big families gathering
It is shocking how high the average death/bankruptcy rate spikes for lottery winners, even if you were already well off. If people know you suddenly got pretty rich, you're suddenly much more likely to get sued for petty crap and lose all your money in legal fees even if you win every case.
The way Michi spends money on her parents, could easily see a turn of events where the family begs mum and dad for money or loans, then they in turn as Michi for money. 5 or 10 years down the line Michi stops being a Vtuber and her family have drained all her savings 😢
Maaaannnn... I get that as well. I used to freelance with everything, and I technically still am, but I am not as active as I used to be but whenever I get questions regarding work and salary, I just say I get a basic minimum wage + a small percentage of sales from my client as commission and people would just eat it up including my family.
I hope dad after boasting it out realizes, that how much trouble it created. There is nothing good about telling that. If they are sincere, they won't care even if you poor. However, if you tell this this to "vultures", they just now have new ammunition against you.
@@SoulHydron yes, it MOSTLY harmless. You just need one wrong ear to hear about it, to make your life living hell. I hope this won't be this situation. However, I bet now Michi will always have headache in family gatherings.
@@hamsterlover7645Well, I hope Asians also have tradition to back off. I know you guys love that "faceslap" thing. For me it just feels like quick ego boost where you just reveal cards to others.
@marius7806 reason why i specify "mostly" is cause everyones families are diff. And some people may have families that are crazier or less respectful/more selfish. Most families are pretty normal where stuff like this is very common and doesnt usually cause any actual problems
Dad: Flex. Flex. Hyper Flex. Michi: ***Sweats inner thought - Dad erm chill... that's unnecessary pressure... Totally relatable, as a fellow SEA with a traditional family
you think that was a skit but really is a truth with some flair. It's getting better recently but not for a good reason. It was because EVERYONE regardless of nation and race have such a hard time we won't even have the leeway to brag or compare our kids.
Had a feeling that's where it was going when she was covering by calling herself a 'manager.' When it came to light that she's doing well, the conclusion that will be reached by most laymen is that she's some sort of combination Talent Scout/Networking Guru/Upper Office Executive. Her unwillingness and inability to give details about her position then magnifies the issue further; when you leave a gap open in information, most people will unconsciously fill it in themselves with whatever is most convenient to them. Taking these all together, in their heads she basically becomes someone who's job it is to make people's dreams come true - and everyone has dreams. So what does that make her become when she inevitably can't actually do that for them? Someone who's pulled the ladder up behind themselves. In reality, Michi can't magically do all of these things, of course. She can afford to cover some nice things for people she cares about, but she works very hard to be able to do that for them; it's no drop in the bucket for her. She's keenly aware how easily things could get spoiled for her by the wrong people knowing the right things... good luck convincing dreamers that you aren't a golden goose, though. In the end, she's stuck between a rock and a hard place. She wants to help but can't for reasons she can't explain to them - and like mentioned before, people will fill in the missing information with whatever they want to think.
I think Michi could accurately describe “debut donos” in boomerese as a sign on bonus. She started a new job and got a pay bonus in the first months. And any other dono spikes like birthday or event streams would also be bonuses
That was not her dad bragging that was her dad flexing at people that had been belittling him. what Michi's dad was thinking at that table: "How do you like me now beeeyaaaaatch!!!!!"
That sort of stuff doesn't happen that often in my family but every single time I find it insuferable. Growing up with two narcisists in my family made me specially sensitive to any beheavor motivated by ego.
13:22 Damn, I was taken back with how much her dad bragged at first. I mean I understand the whole thing as she explained it so no judgement, just a bit worried since I know it would result to cold eyes from the family which did happen in the end. BUT after hearing how he stood by her side when she chose her passion for her profession, the 500g gold block is not enough. He needs an actual kilogram gold bar and another kilogram of silver bar just for bragging rights. Maybe a kilogram of bronze bar too, just to complete the whole set.
Family isnt always blood because true family is there with you helping and comforting you not trying to leech someone can be blood but be a whole parasite
Anyone who tries to dig into your earnings is someone to distance yourself from immediately, you can't trust people like that, they have ideas about what you have for themselves. No matter what the relationship.
Nah. Salary transparency helps workers organize and know when they're being underpaid. If someone wants to keep that private, sure don't dig. But being open about your own and asking isn't wrong.
@@bobbingfortoast1912 There's a huge difference between being transparent with your coworkers, and having people who have no business knowing that information try to dig it out.
Sincerely, my heart goes out to this comment section. I don't think i can word it properly, but im sorry yalls families were so bad this is the general reaction
Michi, in ANY society, getting a thing you don't need and not using it means you have expendable cash, by the definition of expendable. I'm not judging, not hating, and I know that you perform to earn your money and it is freely given by those who give it. But that's the literal definition of the word.
Good luck in the Trophy Kid club, Michi. Get ready to donate your hard-earned money to your relatives that you don't even know they exist, or cut ties with a lotta people (im using donate but it's more like taxes/blood-tithe tbh)
This was unexpectedly wholesome for a video about "Michi's Family Beef". It's really cool to hear about how proud and supportive the Mochivie patriarch is of his children.
Since when it became a problem to say "I won't tell you"? I often tell that I won't answer question and they don't have to waste their time asking. It gets the job done and its better than lying.
It's very rude thing to say it to an elder here, she is describing the typical cindo culture, the constant strive to be better off or have more money breed the judging culture.
My first time seeing your channel. I enjoyed not just the story, but the delivery of your story. Everyone has their own life stories. I found yours quite endearing. Your dad is awesome!
That was one best videos and stories ive seen, was a great a emotionally complex story with so many aspects, characters, plots and lessons. And its something thats not over, will probably be carried for the rest of her life, when she said "some tried to get into too" i was like "OOOHHH SHIT, OFC!!!", thinking is easy money makes it even worse, now you understand why mouse freaks out over being even remotely outed. I think Michi mustnt have tried hard enough to correct and shut him down, maybe too insecure or embarrassed for that, and passivity worsened things.
I will never be financially successful. I toil away to scrape by and I’m supposed to consider myself lucky for having a job at all, and in the face of inflation, housing market manipulation, soaring food costs, even having a “good job” doesn’t mean shit. I can’t get a house. I can’t afford to have a kid. What me and my partner make is not enough to save money, and I wish I wasn’t so bitter.
It's a typical mistake a newly rich person do to pay for this and that and have a big spending rather then establish an economic base first then use income from that to pay for things.. Its such a plague for SEA young people, sometimes it's sad to see. 1 bad economy usually wipe everything because they dont understand money.
so happy to see another content creator living a happy life and making their loved ones proud !! omg the story is so funny but also so heartwarming too
Very common human nature. I know someone who's been treated as an unwanted child in their family, literally not an ounce of familial love from their parents and siblings, even berated for refusing a "political marriage" and aims to be a flight attendant instead. Then when they DID become successful in their career, guess who these "family" clings onto? Heck, even worse, unlike Michi's family, they didn't change at all, they only wanted this person's money and milk them dry. But this person won't cut them off because they feel a sense of responsibility for the ones who brought her to this world and supported her although how unwilling they were. I respect people like this person and Michi, who are still willing to help their families despite all the shit they went through because of them.
One of my long standing buddy in the military his parents grew up in Taiwan before coming to the US and are very traditional and even thou he was born and raised in the US as the eldest he he was constantly shit for his carrier choice. To the point the combination of the nuclear tech training we went threw and his family was borderline on the edge of a break down, I met his mom the day we graduated from our training and the first words out of her mouth was "Good job Jeff, but why no doctor."
I know how Michi feels talking about her dad, as I kid I always thought "Man I almost never see dad damn" the second I got a job and money I understood. He ended up working every day until he died, not to long before he would have enjoyed the payoff too.
21:00 basically they want you to give a spot in the company like a garunteed position with '0' effort, props to you for shutting them down once you start helping them theyll ask more and more and to the point theyll be independent on you and once you stop all hell will break loose. I've been there and i will not ever do that again.
If any of your family think being an influencer is easy, just tell them that you specialize in comedy, and that half the time, you're the punchline. It requires a very delicate relationship with your audience for that not to destroy your mental health.
This is extremely familiar to me. Growing up in the lower end of the working class, the minute you get money your own family and friends begin to resent you. It's just the way it is. I wish it wasn't the case, but that's just unfortunately the way people are.
Just hearing how supportive her parents are to her, even when back when she just joined fashion major, before she starts to get higher in her job(sorry idk how to explain it). It almost makes me cry seeing how hard her dad is trying to defend his daughter. Always love a loving parents!
I truly understand her Dad though. He sacrificed a lot in his life to make sure his kids had semi-decent lives, and because of their culture he probably got shit on a lot. So to be able to basically say "Everything I suffered for was worth it, and you all doubted me and THEM" is a HUGE point of pride.
Yeaaaah but Chindo can be very vindictive sometimes. Also if you listen to what she said, they want her to help them doing stuff for free. And you will be surprised how naggy they can be. There's a reason a lot of Indonesians hiding their wealth.
@@kos2919 Oh I know. Ultimately it makes her life a bit more annoying, but I understand WHY her Dad wanted to brag about her success
@@Con-Pin- Oh no yeah, exploiting anyone regardless of relation is trash.
@@kos2919 Yeah, the entitlement may become unsufferable and grow to disgusting levels pretty quickly.
The goal of a pops
Classic asian family, beside jealousy shes definitely become that one cousin who is now become the comparison scale by all the parents in that circle lmao
WAI YU NO DOCTAH YET
cousin timmy
@@TheXelldude the google translation for this for some reason just cracked me up 😂
@@JDHeathers accurate translation
"WHY YOU NOT LIKE YOUR COUSIN WHO RUNS BEIJING CORN!"
The more she spoke about her dad proudly bragging about her, how he stood up for her when everyone else "passively" put her down because she followed her dreams and how he just hypes her up makes me just say "GET THIS MAN A DRINK!". Amazing dad lmao
W dad in deed. I feel secondhand happiness for him 😂
Anyone whose dad that just brags about the achievements of their kids is always a win, as long as it is not just favoritism towards a certain child
Hell yeah
(she's paying for the drink)
It's great he's proud but he also is jeopardising her, Michi has confided in him many times and he is laying all her personal life out for the rest of her (not very pleasant) family :(
"I literally can not tell you, that would be a compromise investors' details and a violation of the NDA" is what you can ALWAYS say
Ngl, if someone i knew was that tight lipped about their work, my first assumption would be something illegal, or something theyre ashamed of lol.
Cue many vtubers telling stories of how ppl thought they were OF models
@@blahblahboii I'm a janitor and I had to sign an NDA. I can't even say who I work for besides the government, most likely the same for all government employees.
A friend of mine signed an NDA to work maintenance for a few months at a new building from meta in Burgos.
Too bad the NDAs are worth shi under the contract he was working(you can't sing ANY paper that gives you any kind of legar responsibility and if you do, it's not valid)
@@Empyrean_Enigma Thats why youre saying "government" and not "sorry, NDA."
Additionally for context, NDA might make sense to friends, depending on proximity, but (especially for us asians) would raise eyebrows when used with family.
@@Empyrean_Enigma Wild even janitors can get NDA's to be fair if it was a big company that does big work i could understand why
SEA parents and bragging rights. The inseparable duo
Pretty much most Asians lmao
I hate it lol
I’m in my 30’s and my parents still compare me to other peoples kids. While people not in my family circle are impressed by my accomplishments. I’ve learned to deal with it.😂
Ayyup
@NaufaZahida the collectivism and shame culture goes hard
"Minding your own business" is a cardinal sin in Indonesia.
Sea in general I'd say
As in Mexican households... kid you not-- the family dynamic centers that. You have no privacy
the good side is, you WILL know if someone in trouble in your neighborhood instantly and ready to gather the help needed. The bad side is everyone WILL KNOW that you are in trouble
@@ErikPTPuh-ry-vuh-see? What's that? Lol. Yeah Mexican households are brutal
as an indonesian, this is 1000% true
3:43
"I am just a fancy beggar online"
That's one way to put it, though I wonder if "Internet busker" is also a good way to describe it.
I had the same thought. "Busker" is far, far more accurate.
Streamers are basically street performers
BUSKER CUYYYYYY
@@timtim6373 This. I’ve always tell people not to get too attached to their Internet personalities (with all the horrible connotations with parasocialism). They exist to entertain us, and that’s that.
Internet Busker is also a solid phrase.
fancy beggar online is such a quotable saying
You got scammed 🙂
Yeah, streamers, especially on the low end, remind me of those guys on the street playing the guitar.
@JeffHikari you do know that famous people also do busking right?
@@jaydenirawan3188 Yes, and famous people stream as well. What's your point?
@@JeffHikari now you realize famous people are also beggars.
Ahh yes, the table for 30+ year old "kids" at family gatherings. My family does this too.
my family never gets together, i haven't seen most of my cousins in over a decade, they moved to other states to find decent jobs but ended up making basically min wage and none of us have money to travel. my grandparents passed in 2020 and our whole family dynamic fell apart completely thinking about it now.
@orektez rip
I am pretty sure every big SEA family does this. My family and my friends' families so this too.
Its tradition at this point.
I really hate family gatherings 😭😭😭 when the times come i always need to search for an excuse,i feel suffocated and tired… nobody even likes me in my dad’s side why they are so eager to invite me, just to put me down? I really hate it
Glad that I don't have this type of family, we've meet together on certain even but not talking about money and job.
But I heard there's alot of this type of Family Gatherings in Indonesia
very typical family of my country. They WANT and NEED to know other people's personal things. Glad Michi can help out her family
Aye... And in my case (I was a Community Translator for an indie game) I didn't get paid, but instead I got myself some premium account, my pops literally said "You know? Our neighbor's children made a lot of money by working on local office, we wanted to see the REAL THING, not some internet currency" (I still work as a translator atm)
After that, I'll never tell them about any damn thing... EVER! Because after I told them anything about work, one of them will always say "this work will be *insert it's cons", "that won't do it for the future", etc....
I know they're worried and all that whole "It's to open your mind", but seriously... They defo need to tone it down
(sorry if I've ranted/trauma dump much)
@@ryoumakoushiro7447 always the fucking case with them. if it's not "practical" or "productive" it's "worthless" to them. I'm sorry man, keep doin what makes you happy. and just because someone else can't see the value, you know the value.
its horrible, why do they care, mind your own SHIT
Funny in Anglo-American culture if you ask or say anything about money, salary prices, etc, it’s very bad and taboo. Everyone will try to avoid the question, change the subject, give a passing answer like “it was expensive enough!” And then talk bad about whoever asked behind their back later.
@@mcRydes Very different in Asian culture. Everyone(specifically, traditional Asians) always wants to be in everyone’s business when they don’t need to. They always make it a point that if you’re not working a six figure job, then that job is worthless and that you need to find something better.
she could also say. Her salary is under NDA. Because that is in fact often true.
Not gonna work. These people, these vultures, they will still hound her until they know how much she really made.
Depends on where in the world you are. In EU it is a workers right to discuss salaries and cannot be suppressed by NDA’s. In the US it depends on state legislations, and if the NDA is specifically covering Salary or not. In some states a company could try to cover it with NDA, but if it would hold up in court is a different matter as NDA’s have been watered down in recent case law.
What you say to your family is up to you, but it’s always a good idea to check your contract and make sure salary is not covered under nda. It is not i. The employees best i terest to not be able to discuss salaries and compensations.
@@chrisvighagen But Michi's family would realistically not know that off the top of their heads. Hell, most Americans don't even know what they can say in American companies.
If you're going to lie then just say a smaller number
@@av88id85 True. SEA parents don't care about contracts, they want to know and won't stop. My own parents are the same.
Her traditional asian dad defending her doing fashion is really wholesome.
W dad , i wanna be a dad like him, positive and supporting.
Outwardly: "My daughter is awesome and she's going to do wonderful things and be a great success! You watch!"
Inwardly: "Michi, if you don't do wonderful things... you'd better marry a rich man. I have to live with these people for another 50 years."
To be real, he's probably too stubborn and embarresed to admit that letting his kid to do artsy stuff was a "wrong" choice in terms of the asian education system. And now that she's making money, everything seems to be right because he was the one that made the choice.
@@maximi1iano963It doesn't need to be that way.
Why is it so hard for people to think that a parent supporting you following your passion is secretly hating you for it? And I know that's not what you said, but still.
They worked hard and aided her child in becoming who she is today, and that is something that is not easy to do. All while being belittled and made fun of by their blood. And he still defended her.
You could say that is what a parent should do, but we shouldn't take this sort of stuff for granted.
Passive aggressive treatment for being too poor...
Passive aggressive treatment for being too rich...
Michi needs to tell them that in addition to being under an NDA, she's also under a non-compete agreement that prevents her from doing her work on anyone's behalf except her employer. She can use that as an excuse as to why she can't help anyone do anything.
It's common sense when dealing with extended family
Wow it was literally like the Steven He Asian Dad Skit. "Let me tell you how amazing my kid is" moment.
My son is face of Beijing CORN 🌽
You thought it was just a joke? This is a very real thing in Asian cultures.
Here, it's not a joke. It's very real and Steven does a good job at making it funny and relatable.
Papachievee is so proud of her, but poor Michi getting exposed
Also Papachievee might put her daughter in danger.
@@kos2919 tax man: 😋
Michi's parents: My kid is not a bum.
This is an achievement.
Rich bum
Still a beggar tho
@@Hungry_God nope. She's not begging for anything. Her fans give her things as gifts from fans to their idol.
@@jovanleon7 ...she's the one who calls herself a fancy beggar
@Hungry_God yeah but that still isn't the most accurate description
the vultures called... family.... the next thing michi would hear "i took care of you when you were in diapers or something" just to hint for a gift/cash
And then there's like one family friend who you used to play with and their parents would say "Ouh you used to play with my little boy, he's got a nice job, why don't you get to know each other?" 😮💨
@lunechann it would have been great if it was like that... then there is also that thing where they say "can you refer our child to the same job as you have"
like its that easy to bring someone inside
theyd steal from you for as long as they can while badmouthing you from behind and then when youre down on your luck they wont give two shits and brag on how they finally proved their superiority
buncha leeching crabs
@@Orimu21depends on the job tbh
always ... i hate that -.-;;
Thou there was 2 times from people who we didn't even see in ages. I just told: "OH! To bad, times will be better. OH! look at the time, I'm busy.. BYE!" and then hung up. Not even give it a second.
Nothing drains your money more than family...that you don't have to pay for.
When you have cousins coming up to you and the second question out their mouth is "how much do you make," they're going to try to get your money.
And if your family/friends treat you like crap because you're winning in their eyes, downgrade that relationship.
Those aren't people you need in your life, except as examples of who not to be.
I’m Chindo (Chinese-Indonesian). Most of my family members came from arts major lol 😂 but yeah, we’re seen as the failures. I find that most Indonesian parents (regardless the subcultures) have this kind of mindset. Want free stuffs from other fam member that is deemed as successful, act vindictive against one and another, have no boundaries, a little too nosy, have beggar mindset (but don’t tell them that or they’ll lash out at you 😂), etc.
I had this argument with my philopino wifes family. Meanwhile the money I made was on a ship in the navy. Its not like I was rolling in cash with a new baby.
from what i can tell its poor people culture, its incredibility petty and greedy, theres no cultural division so when someone says theyre working in america, because theyve been fed that america some grandiose place rich people they assume youre uber rich for being there and theyre expecting you to payroll because youre family. ive seen middle easterners and some africans complain about their family digging for gold from them, and unfortunately most of the SEA is poor
@@nuhrii3449 More like SEA countries are poor, with Singapore being the exception.
I'm a Chinoy (Chinese - Filipino) and I really feel ya. I took Literature as my first major for 2 years and everyone kept questioning my choices in the ever-so passive Asian way. They stopped for a few years when they heard that I switched to a business major but them questions came back with even more gusto now that I'm in the workforce and not pursuing business.
I'm only glad that my family is a bit more open minded than most and that they don't expect much from me
i never heard the term chindo and its kinda fire. like you ateeeee 😂🎉
I love hearing family tea so much, there's something so mesmerizing in hearing wild things that have nothing to do with you, but that the person who is telling you about it has a stake in.
true asian right here, even if you're not asian
@@TheTickyTickyTicky I'm Mexican. I noticed there's a lot of overlap for certain things!
I don’t even like vtubers I just like to listen to drama
@@RioRumiVTChisme~✨☕️
That's how SEA parents are especially those who experienced hardship growing up and provided for the family. Their achievement is seeing their children successful and they will forever brag about it no matter where, when and to whom
I can understand her Dad a lot, not only because he is proud, but because it stops all the talking in the family
Sadly he's creating more problems, she is now the talk of the family :/
Very typical for Asian family. Its either a doctor or a lawyer. If you dont have those "upstanding" jobs, youre gonna be the talk of the neighbors for YEARS
It’s not malicious or anything, just gossip
@@catnip202xch.It's annoying that what it is
@@catnip202xch. >Gossip
>Not malicious
Pick one.
The one thing i hate about asian culture...
I am saddly one of them
Gossip by its very nature is malicious. SEA culture is just another bucket of crabs. The whole "my son is better than your son" bull crap is narcissistic parents copying their kids into their ego scheme. Fuck that Business, glad my culture isn't such a crab bucket
0:43 fan fact, add manager to any thing make it sound like respectful job
Ok Tony
“How much do you make?”
“None of your damn business.”
Not really possible in a family, because people will talk and create rumors
@@tea_otomothen let then speculate while you get the bread. Only losers do that, regardless of culture.
@@tea_otomo Extremely possible, don't generalize. Some families don't gossip believe it or not.
That statement is tantamount to boasting in a collective group because you're being snobbish and don't want to participate in the conversation.
The objective is to downplay it in order to show that 1.) You're willing to get along and 2.) they don't ask for handouts in the future.
Not in an Asian family
Her speaking in an accent when voicing her dad is so funny haha
11:16 an aunty of mine was like that when our family was really broke, we couldn't afford AC in the living room like they could, so we had a big ass fan that we bought, which my mom sold her gold to buy, just to try an impress my aunt. And everytime there's a family gathering she'd say something along the lines of "Oh god it's hot here. How do we sleep later?" And my mom would just say "Ouh it'll get colder by night" i could see how sad she was. But now we're better off on money and my parents could brag about my sister's job and recently she got married and her husband had a superbike(Which is rare for an asian to have) so they get to brag about that, and my aunty who used to look down on us, they had some financial problems these past few years, but they're getting better now. So just don't say things that could hurt others, karma might bite back!
Michi’s nephews and nieces: auntie michi can you get me a gawr GURA signature
I'd immediately sign up as a nephew
Makes me glad my mom has always been like “I don’t care what you do, or how much you make. As long as you’re happy and there’s food in your stomach.”.
Saaaaame
Tell that it's not an easy job, has high turnover rates (with some leaving within days of joining), and requires intuition as well as knowledge that you've built up as a designer. Intuition is insanely hard to learn and high turnover rates will likely dissuade them. Tell them that you've heard a good portion of people don't even make it through training.
>can hold grudges
>still gets dogwalked by family
"They werent being mean yknow, they were just being mean" Michi a lil too pure for this family of hers.
I would never in my life talk badly about my extended family for having less than me, the only people in my extended family Ive ever had bad opinions were my aunt who slept around so much ending up with 7 babydaddies and my other aunt who just refuses to be an adult at her grown age. Yknow, people who are actively less than as people.
Yes .
SEA parents back down when their kid earns a lot of cash from jobs they do not approve of. They also turn to either one of two things: accepting parents who try to understand their kids’ way of life….or the ones who will profit off of you and demand your salary to prop up their way of life.
Different from family to family. If your parents have real manners they won't care if you make money or not, just be safe with money is all they want.
All kids here feel filial piety because parents work hard.
If her dad knew about reddit, this would definitely have shown up on one of those revenge subreddits. Lmao. That man was basking in the glory of just showing off his "art major" daughter. Man ive never seen a SEA parent so proud.
The “I signed an NDA” thing didn’t work with my dad because he got butthurt I wouldn’t make him an exception
hahahahaha it do be like that
Dad: talking proudly
Michi: Death Glare at dad.
Based dad ❤❤❤❤❤❤
But ... I hope he should shut up at points of how money she get...
Because i pray for god they family dont ended up like..
One week or months later, some of other family member who know how much money michi got, will call for money laundering 😅
Or.." help me, i need some money and i will pay back " type of people will come up to her family
You know what i mean? Desperate liar need money want steal but say he just want borrow money type of guy or girl
It exist in every big families gathering
Or even worse, some sort of kidnapping/ransom. Not sure about indonesia but some places in the world that is a risk
Welcome to Asian culture. They do this because it's happened to them or because their parents did it. It just keeps cascading every generation
It is shocking how high the average death/bankruptcy rate spikes for lottery winners, even if you were already well off. If people know you suddenly got pretty rich, you're suddenly much more likely to get sued for petty crap and lose all your money in legal fees even if you win every case.
The way Michi spends money on her parents, could easily see a turn of events where the family begs mum and dad for money or loans, then they in turn as Michi for money. 5 or 10 years down the line Michi stops being a Vtuber and her family have drained all her savings 😢
Based in what way?
Maaaannnn... I get that as well. I used to freelance with everything, and I technically still am, but I am not as active as I used to be but whenever I get questions regarding work and salary, I just say I get a basic minimum wage + a small percentage of sales from my client as commission and people would just eat it up including my family.
I hope dad after boasting it out realizes, that how much trouble it created.
There is nothing good about telling that. If they are sincere, they won't care even if you poor. However, if you tell this this to "vultures", they just now have new ammunition against you.
Its mostly harmless in the end, asian parents just like showing off to each other. Honestly its really nice to have such a supportive asian dad
Chill, it’s a typical south East Asian thing. The stereotypes about us in these regard are true .-.
@@SoulHydron yes, it MOSTLY harmless. You just need one wrong ear to hear about it, to make your life living hell.
I hope this won't be this situation. However, I bet now Michi will always have headache in family gatherings.
@@hamsterlover7645Well, I hope Asians also have tradition to back off.
I know you guys love that "faceslap" thing. For me it just feels like quick ego boost where you just reveal cards to others.
@marius7806 reason why i specify "mostly" is cause everyones families are diff. And some people may have families that are crazier or less respectful/more selfish. Most families are pretty normal where stuff like this is very common and doesnt usually cause any actual problems
At first I'm like "oh crap". Then I'm like "you hype up your little girl papaMichi!"
Dad: Flex. Flex. Hyper Flex.
Michi: ***Sweats inner thought - Dad erm chill... that's unnecessary pressure...
Totally relatable, as a fellow SEA with a traditional family
I love michi's chatting but can never be bothered to open twitch, thanks for the clip!
Based dad.
Never realized Steven He was documentary 😂
A lot of Steven's script arnt even scripts but straight up real life. Asian parents and relatives are sometimes legit like this.
It's the norm in Asian culture
you think that was a skit but really is a truth with some flair. It's getting better recently but not for a good reason. It was because EVERYONE regardless of nation and race have such a hard time we won't even have the leeway to brag or compare our kids.
It's exaggerated but yeah
Very typical of SEA family
Google didn't help this time. What is a SEA family?
@jigglypuff52 South East Asia. Michi is Indo which is a SEA country
Had a feeling that's where it was going when she was covering by calling herself a 'manager.' When it came to light that she's doing well, the conclusion that will be reached by most laymen is that she's some sort of combination Talent Scout/Networking Guru/Upper Office Executive.
Her unwillingness and inability to give details about her position then magnifies the issue further; when you leave a gap open in information, most people will unconsciously fill it in themselves with whatever is most convenient to them.
Taking these all together, in their heads she basically becomes someone who's job it is to make people's dreams come true - and everyone has dreams. So what does that make her become when she inevitably can't actually do that for them? Someone who's pulled the ladder up behind themselves.
In reality, Michi can't magically do all of these things, of course. She can afford to cover some nice things for people she cares about, but she works very hard to be able to do that for them; it's no drop in the bucket for her. She's keenly aware how easily things could get spoiled for her by the wrong people knowing the right things... good luck convincing dreamers that you aren't a golden goose, though.
In the end, she's stuck between a rock and a hard place. She wants to help but can't for reasons she can't explain to them - and like mentioned before, people will fill in the missing information with whatever they want to think.
I think Michi could accurately describe “debut donos” in boomerese as a sign on bonus. She started a new job and got a pay bonus in the first months. And any other dono spikes like birthday or event streams would also be bonuses
I bet Gunrun probably found Michi's dad's shenanigans hilarious XD
That was not her dad bragging that was her dad flexing at people that had been belittling him.
what Michi's dad was thinking at that table:
"How do you like me now beeeyaaaaatch!!!!!"
3:44 “Fancy Beggar” is Crazy!!!😂😂😂
You got scammed 🙂
I laughed hard and got stared at the bar because of this😂😂😂😂
its kinda true, and I'm not mad about it 😂😂😂
That sort of stuff doesn't happen that often in my family but every single time I find it insuferable. Growing up with two narcisists in my family made me specially sensitive to any beheavor motivated by ego.
Poor Meech Mocheev. She got hosed by dad.
I feel her dads vindication though. I wanted to hear more about their shick and how proud the dad was. Makes me happy.
13:22 Damn, I was taken back with how much her dad bragged at first. I mean I understand the whole thing as she explained it so no judgement, just a bit worried since I know it would result to cold eyes from the family which did happen in the end. BUT after hearing how he stood by her side when she chose her passion for her profession, the 500g gold block is not enough. He needs an actual kilogram gold bar and another kilogram of silver bar just for bragging rights. Maybe a kilogram of bronze bar too, just to complete the whole set.
good lord... the dad is a danger to her lol
He painted her like some politician's staff social media manager
Nothing separates family like money :(
Family isnt always blood because true family is there with you helping and comforting you not trying to leech someone can be blood but be a whole parasite
Anyone who tries to dig into your earnings is someone to distance yourself from immediately, you can't trust people like that, they have ideas about what you have for themselves.
No matter what the relationship.
Nah. Salary transparency helps workers organize and know when they're being underpaid. If someone wants to keep that private, sure don't dig. But being open about your own and asking isn't wrong.
@@bobbingfortoast1912 There's a huge difference between being transparent with your coworkers, and having people who have no business knowing that information try to dig it out.
8:50 "One thing Asians love is things that get more expensive the more you hold it" broke me.
Way too real of a statement lol, know it very closely.
Vtubers should just start saying they're their own manager 😂
"Oh so OnlyFans?"
7:00 it's basically how you have floating damage numbers in video games, but instead it counts expendable income
Sincerely, my heart goes out to this comment section. I don't think i can word it properly, but im sorry yalls families were so bad this is the general reaction
_Michi brings up gold_
Me who read Umineko : "I don't like where this is going."
Bahhhtaler
That's why I never tell anyone how much I earn...
from what it concern my family am 10 times more poor than any of them...
It's never a good idea disclose how much money you make ,especially to your family
Michi, in ANY society, getting a thing you don't need and not using it means you have expendable cash, by the definition of expendable.
I'm not judging, not hating, and I know that you perform to earn your money and it is freely given by those who give it. But that's the literal definition of the word.
At this point, im surprised she didn't even interrupted her dad at one point and gave him a brief in the back with this much yapping lol Poor Michi
Good luck in the Trophy Kid club, Michi. Get ready to donate your hard-earned money to your relatives that you don't even know they exist, or cut ties with a lotta people (im using donate but it's more like taxes/blood-tithe tbh)
This was unexpectedly wholesome for a video about "Michi's Family Beef". It's really cool to hear about how proud and supportive the Mochivie patriarch is of his children.
Michi suffering from success lol
Since when it became a problem to say "I won't tell you"?
I often tell that I won't answer question and they don't have to waste their time asking. It gets the job done and its better than lying.
Yeah man, different cultures are different
Culture, say that and you'll get slapped
cant do that in asia. some aunties will keep asking
It's very rude thing to say it to an elder here, she is describing the typical cindo culture, the constant strive to be better off or have more money breed the judging culture.
@@ausar567 Now that's something i revile with a burning passion.
This is how it starts. Watch out for the help requests.
My first time seeing your channel. I enjoyed not just the story, but the delivery of your story. Everyone has their own life stories. I found yours quite endearing. Your dad is awesome!
That was one best videos and stories ive seen, was a great a emotionally complex story with so many aspects, characters, plots and lessons. And its something thats not over, will probably be carried for the rest of her life, when she said "some tried to get into too" i was like "OOOHHH SHIT, OFC!!!", thinking is easy money makes it even worse, now you understand why mouse freaks out over being even remotely outed. I think Michi mustnt have tried hard enough to correct and shut him down, maybe too insecure or embarrassed for that, and passivity worsened things.
She REEEALLY should've stopped him at some point, somehow 😭 He made things worse and worse the more he talked
Kinda ironic considering where she goes for college one of the most expensive fashion college in Indonesia
Truly a SEA moment. Hearing this is so entertaining because its somewhat my experience during festivities too.
I will never be financially successful. I toil away to scrape by and I’m supposed to consider myself lucky for having a job at all, and in the face of inflation, housing market manipulation, soaring food costs, even having a “good job” doesn’t mean shit. I can’t get a house. I can’t afford to have a kid. What me and my partner make is not enough to save money, and I wish I wasn’t so bitter.
It's a typical mistake a newly rich person do to pay for this and that and have a big spending rather then establish an economic base first then use income from that to pay for things.. Its such a plague for SEA young people, sometimes it's sad to see. 1 bad economy usually wipe everything because they dont understand money.
I see why she isnt mad at her dad. what a sweet story, with her dad defending her fashion major in the ruthless environment.
so happy to see another content creator living a happy life and making their loved ones proud !! omg the story is so funny but also so heartwarming too
Usually “cant say signed an nda” works most of the time
Very common human nature.
I know someone who's been treated as an unwanted child in their family, literally not an ounce of familial love from their parents and siblings, even berated for refusing a "political marriage" and aims to be a flight attendant instead. Then when they DID become successful in their career, guess who these "family" clings onto?
Heck, even worse, unlike Michi's family, they didn't change at all, they only wanted this person's money and milk them dry. But this person won't cut them off because they feel a sense of responsibility for the ones who brought her to this world and supported her although how unwilling they were.
I respect people like this person and Michi, who are still willing to help their families despite all the shit they went through because of them.
every michi story makes me clench my leg for half an hour straight
Michi is the gigachad. And Michi's dad gathered all relatives in one place and pressed aoe ult.
One of my long standing buddy in the military his parents grew up in Taiwan before coming to the US and are very traditional and even thou he was born and raised in the US as the eldest he he was constantly shit for his carrier choice. To the point the combination of the nuclear tech training we went threw and his family was borderline on the edge of a break down, I met his mom the day we graduated from our training and the first words out of her mouth was "Good job Jeff, but why no doctor."
I know how Michi feels talking about her dad, as I kid I always thought "Man I almost never see dad damn" the second I got a job and money I understood. He ended up working every day until he died, not to long before he would have enjoyed the payoff too.
Hate when people get so nosy over jobs instead of being genuinely interested- That pisses me off so much 😭😭😭
Family is the friends you choose, not the people birth chooses for you. Your birth family can be those friends if they are good though.
so happy for her
Michi is such an amazing storyteller man, got me immersed this whole vid
jit got immersed
The only proper answer to "how much do you make" is "Its decent"
21:00 basically they want you to give a spot in the company like a garunteed position with '0' effort, props to you for shutting them down once you start helping them theyll ask more and more and to the point theyll be independent on you and once you stop all hell will break loose. I've been there and i will not ever do that again.
Sounds like a typical family, some proud, some interested and some not, one or two wanting free stuff.
dad took the cool parts and ran with it honestly i get it thats my parents too
I would never discuss my income with my parents or anyone else
"Do your job for me for free" is such a wild thing to say even to family lol
If any of your family think being an influencer is easy, just tell them that you specialize in comedy, and that half the time, you're the punchline. It requires a very delicate relationship with your audience for that not to destroy your mental health.
Her accent is so funny!
“Fr-ree”!
The accent seeping in as the video keeps going is funny.
This is extremely familiar to me. Growing up in the lower end of the working class, the minute you get money your own family and friends begin to resent you. It's just the way it is. I wish it wasn't the case, but that's just unfortunately the way people are.
Just hearing how supportive her parents are to her, even when back when she just joined fashion major, before she starts to get higher in her job(sorry idk how to explain it). It almost makes me cry seeing how hard her dad is trying to defend his daughter. Always love a loving parents!