At 17:20, they mention how Southern-style kung fu "is good for street combat." What I suspect many Westerners do not understand is that the streets in China are much narrower than, say, the parking lots or suburbs. Even the Octagon ring for MMA would be a wide open space compared to the narrow alleyways where one might encounter ambushes in street fights. I think this is why there is an emphasis on "minimizing movement" at the expense of power.
Very enjoyable thank you. I love the comment at the end regarding the happiness of children. My 8 year old has joined my Wing Chun group and the fun they have while learning is a joy to behold. They soak it up like a sponge.
I studied Shaolin Kung Fu all the way through my green belt. Wing Chun looks like another facet of the martial arts. Your mandarin is spoken very well too! Keep up the good work!
+Alex Lin Haha! You are right! It is not just another facet; the reason why it looks like the odd one out is because it is a pseudoscience. We can hardly find another so-called martial art that makes the practitioners behave like an awkward and rigid robot and consistently being beaten by others so regularly. You could write a short post here regarding this observation. I think the public needs to hear from guys like you who had done Shaolin Kung Fu to warn the public that this is a pseudoscience. I could post your observation on the blog.
One wonders as to why there is so much argument on which martial art is better. I've trained wing chun for a while now and i've found it's helped me in so many different ways, however there are downsides to it. I also trained Tae Kwon Do for a while too, there are also downsides to that as well, same as karate, same as jiu jitsu. EVERY SINGLE MARTIAL ART out there has their strengths and weaknesses and people comparing them obviously have no fucking clue whatsoever about fighting. it's about how good someone is at their martial art, if someone is crap at wing chun up against an experienced boxer, the boxer would flatten him with ease and same vice versa. advantages of wing chun over boxing - utilises kicking which can bridge gaps with ease and can cause serious pain. advantages of boxing over wing chun - extremely fast and effective striking in a variety of ways.. get over all these martial arts wars and appreciate them for what they are, it's really quite pathetic.
yeah it's quite sad, the only comments I see on every martial arts video is either "this is not the REAL (isert x martial art)" or "this is only good for show, it's no good for THE REAL applications, not like MMA"
yeah dude, and im quite a subjective person, i can see that every martial art is different, and you can as well. it also depends on the fight, an experienced boxer/wing chun exponent could get their arse kicked by someone who's never trained at anything before, if they get a good blow in that is. it's just sad, people need to stop comparing everything in society, martial arts included. i have found that it seems to be the MMA guys alot of the time too, there's no doubting it's damn effective though and i love watching ufc etc. however alot of these arts aren't for rings, they're for the streets, hence why you quite often can't find footage/examples of these being utilised
donkzilla1 lol everything has downsides even boxing, there is no great art it’s your training and fighting skill that makes your art better for you in combat
I am surprised that are so many haters of win chun......wing chun is not a sport and it is for self defence. Understand the concepts of wing chun before making baseless comments ...
However, I think Wing Chun has to be redesigned so it can fit in today´s needs for a strong self defense martial art, In fact, You can see how Bruce Lee took all this knowledge from Wing Chun and merged it with a bunch of other techniques, from western Boxing to japanese Judo, cause He understood Wing Chun alone wasn´t going to be able to handle all spots in a real fight. And what is more, People has to understand the there are not such things as STYLES, We don´t have to understand a martial art´s concepts, instead, we have to find the best way to protect us from the attacker without anything in mind, just live another day.
Pablo Vargas This is a misconception: Before people picked this up, the instruction was already distorted, you can actually see WC has no scientific performance from its bodily performance. This was and is the reason why people think it ought to 'evolve'. If you look at the rest of the Chinese Kung Fu, only WC has ridiculously weak strikes, blocks and balance; the rest of the Chinese Kung Fu are more or less intact and performing scientifically. If WC is the odd one out of the rest, it means something is amiss in its instruction (corrupted). This is the real contributing factor why it isn't working properly; not because of person, experience, etc.
Well, I think WC is a really powerfull Martial Art when you see it as a core Martial Art but it lacks of adaptability, which is the main step that you have to follow to win a fight. So I think It´s not corrupted but it has to aquire flexibility to adapt and overcome every opponent with a different approach.
Pablo Vargas It's supposed to be good; not powerful. You should have seen many videos of WC on TH-cam, what is the common problem of them all? The bodily behavior is awkward and stiff. Many ex-practitioners did point out the strikes are powerless and the balance is compromised - in a nutshell: unrealistic. We did a research on this and discovered the science of WC is gone because the instruction has been misinterpreted many times for decades. This probably happened before the 'popular actor' made kung fu and Wing Chun popular worldwide. There's some videos on my channel - the footage is the natural expression of WC (closest expression of WC which the original instruction probably wanted it to be). There, you can see the guys doing real brawling with kung fu without adding boxing or fighting clumsily with powerless strikes and blocks.
Clown7916 Light or full sparring would be sufficient. Most importantly is the behavior has to be realistic. The problem of chunners is that they theorize too much what the opponent would do.
I love the MMA vs Traditional Martial Arts arguments. I have trained Wing Chun from Duncan Leung’s lineage, directly under Yip Man. I have studied Choy Li Fut, and Tibetan Kung Fu. 20 years practical experience. Would I win against an MMA fighter in the ring? No. Two reasons. I would have to modify my training to segregate my fighting reactions to fit the rules of the sport. I would either react with an illegal hit, or, not react appropriately to the situation. On the street is a different situation. I can use all my tools and appropriately engage without hesitation. I love MMA. I love Boxing. Huge fan. But these are sports. When you do not know what your opponent offers to the engagement, coupled with the non-existence of rules.... traditional martial arts have the advantage. You simply cannot compare sport and traditional arts. Both have their relevance. Both are successful on their terms.
The mainstream Wing Chun instruction is unscientific and unworkable, the techniques that are taught nowadays have deviated and are different from the original version - it is corrupt. Check out the videos on our channel and check out our disclosure on Udemy and Amazon.
@@smartresearchwingchun494 yeah I do agree, many wing chun school are fake, they just teach nonsense the real schools of direct lineage are not that mant
What are those batons called at 29:05 are they just a training aid or is there an art built around them +Eric Couillard and if so what is it called does anybody know? Thanks
as I recall, it's just a training aid, but i don't remember the name. it's been a while since we filmed this. does anyone reading the comments know what Drew is asking about?
Frankly what is being said about adapting d wc moves in an actual attack is true...it depends on the person if u ask me...whether they actually understand the concepts behind the forms and not be too rigid about it. Practise also makes perfect...just my 2 cents
Something else to notice: rather than learning Wing Chun as a means of becoming a professional fighter, the people in Foshan learn martial arts as a supplement to their occupations: businessman, professor, student, etc.. They didn't give up everything else to become fighters, but integrated the fighting into their everyday lives. That in itself is admirable.
No martial art is everything but to get up and running quick with some practical stuff you can't beat wing chun and jiujitsu. Most ppl don't have the time to become masters or don't spend their time picking fights in elementary school. On the flip side western boxing and aikido can also kick some serious ass too. In the end keeping things simple in any discipline allows the practitioner to grasp the concepts quickly and refine the movements through repetition and sparring. Sparring is essential just like playing basketball or tennis against varied opponents. You will always learn more by doing that by practicing by yourself.
Thank you for your documentry and for sharing insight you have learned in your visit to Fonshan. I was most pleasantly surprised to learn about lion dancing and was amused by your feedback. Eric, One thing I was able to see that I find is a weakness in me is that your ability to remain passive and receptive to a teachers instruction, your solemn mannerism when adopting the new culture, and the seriousness you put into learning and using what you have learned. If you could share some insight on a problem I have, I would be very appreciative. I spend a lot of time learning but I am very ashamed of myself when I am being given new instruction. In the moments where I am being shown something, it is a psychological disturbance where I find it difficult to be okay with not being perfect at something. I think I have developed a conceited ego and it is very difficult to overcome and become receptive and open minded. Of course, this kind of openness was exemplified during the sparring session of wing chun and northern arts. In and after the session, while bother were delivering blows, to my amazement, neither presumed that one was better than the other, but instead, looked and analyzed objectively the flaws and advantages of their arts and techniques. This is one aspect of objective perception that I wish to gain in my journey of learning martial arts. I wish to have such knowledge that I can assimilate and analyze combative movements and techniques critically and objectively without being egotistical or imposing. Eric, I noticed you were getting hit in the head pretty hard with those straight fists. Did you feel them just as hard with the helmet on? I am impressed with the power behind the punches. I really like your use of kung fu. It is evident that your shapes and forms are in your style of fighting. If there was anything more I could add I can say that I found this video was in respect for the culture and admirable, without imposing or rudeful side comments while in the presence of the students. I have noticed in other documentrys that sometimes the people will talk as if the students or the teachers arent there, and I find it in poor taste. All in all, be well fellows, and may your studies and your day be enjoyed. Jordan
+J Chem Hi Jordan, thanks for watching. It sounds like you're very frustrated about what you're labeling a 'psychological disturbance.' I'd recommend a book called Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, I think it can help you. Let me know if you have any more questions.
It doesn't mean WC is the supreme fight,it's all depending on the fighter! Consider for a moment the judo,can be simple fight? Not at all !!! In a real fight,fast as possible,taking right arm and right above leg of the opponent, you can use the technique: "Kata guruma",once you're on the shoulder and you falling on the street fast badly,you don't stand up anymore !!! All fight are good...."the ability and the moment to use is more important"!!!
Eric, you may get this question often, but how did you learn Chinese? I like how fluent you are! Mandarin is a language I wish to learn as well. Also, you are very skilled at martial arts! How long have you been training Eskrima for?
Thanks for the kind words, Peter. I studied Chinese in college and spent a decent amount of time in China. I've been training Filipino Martial Arts for about 5 years, but it's hard to find partners in China. How did you know I practice Eskrima?
You are welcome! I thought it would have been easier to find training partners for Eskrima in China since Asian martial arts have similarities particularly Eskrima and Wing Chun. I have trouble finding people here in Los Angeles who share the same passion! I learned that you train Eskrima from the video. They briefly mention it during the segment about your background. Are you training in China right now?
oh ok, i didn't even realize, haha. you can't find people who practice eskrima in LA? do you know inosanto? i think he's in LA. he's the best when it comes to filipino martial arts in my opinion. but i'm pretty biased; he's my guru's guru (grand guru?). i mostly train internal kung fu in china.
Haha. You are more famous than you think! How did you get to be in that episode about Wing Chun, by the way? Yes, I do know of Dan Inosanto. My first Eskrima instructor trained under him. I would love to train with him, but I have to wait until I have a career after I graduate. I suppose I mean that it is hard to find Eskrima friends. Hah. It is not a very mainstream martial art to my surprise. So, you are training Kung Fu in China right now? That sounds like the life, man! If I may ask, what do you do that allows you to live this dream of every martial art enthusiast?
There's nothing special, I just do it. If you want to try it yourself, you just need enough money to buy a plane ticket. 'follow your bliss, and the universe will open doors for you where before there were only walls.' you can do it too!
So right around 15:25 the Wing Chun master gestures as if he's going to strike with the back of his fist. I bring it up because this isn't the first time I've noticed this with Wing Chun. If you strike me in the face with flat part of a backhand I can almost guarantee my face will break your hand. Can someone explain to me what the reasoning is for this? My point also is that even if you land knuckles you're still taking a huge risk... Great Vid tho
If anyone ever uses the back of the hand, it's not Wing Chun. My sifu always says if you can't relate back to the forms; Siu lam Tao, chum Kiu, etc, it isn't traditional Wing Chun.
jackson k. wong a few days ago a guy accidently shouldered me in the face playing soccer. Surprisingly enough I didn't get that bad of a nose bleed, but I still stand behind what I said. Hitting people with the back of your hand is gonna mess your hand up.
No, that only happens to boxers who don't train to strengthen their hands, Ryan. Wing chun practitioners toughen their knuckles, hands, forearms wrists, and even their shins and legs on the wooden dummy and the various bags. So we can take the force. Besides, remaining relaxed allows the power to penetrate the skull, causing more substantial damage.
it's not that wing isn't effect in the ring, its that 1. Most of the practitioners that we see in these only use dead energy instead of basic forward energy. 2. They don't spar nearly enough outside their own schools, no matter what you do if you've never faced down a good grappler before you'er probably gonna end up on the floor. Prev exp counts for alot. 3. Sooooooooooo many of them are way off center wing chun never ever works if don't know how to close off your center.
You lot are arguing about the way Bruce lee fought, wing chun was his basis he took everything from that but also went further than wing chun, studying Mohammed Ali and joe Lewis and taking the most efficient moves for him as a fighter, the whole philosophy of jeet kune do was the most efficient an quickest way to deal with your opponent, jeet kune do is not a style it is the best way for you as your own fighters to deal with your opponent.
You are praising something that you do not know about. JKD is scientifically flawed because technically if a person tries to mix arts in that way, his performance would have awkward pauses and the actual speed and power of those pure arts would be compromised. I'm not talking about 'theory' I'm telling you guys this fact can be tested with a sports specialist in lab test environment. If you all don't understand what this is about, think about utensils: To make things more 'effective' why not have something with the design of a spoon, chopstick, fork, knife, bowl and straw? It sounds like a noble idea of invention, but it would disassociate with reality if anyone tried to design such a stuff - this is the scientific error of JKD. That is why we do not see it flourish in the martial art world practically.
With only 3 years of WC Bruce Lee hardly took everything from the discipline. Just to fully understand Siu Lim Tao takes on average 6 years of daily practice, and that is just the beginning. You are also confusing style with discipline. WC, just like Taijichuan, Akido, Xingyi and a host of others is based on principles not technique. When applied correctly each is efficient and if desired quite devastating if not deadly. If you want to see WC principles used against MMA sport fighting check out UFC fighters at a marine base. The sport guys are easily overwhelmed, which one would expect once the rules of a ring are not a restriction.
Shunga Munga 6 years? It is not a secret that even practitioners who have trained for more than that can't spar/fight realistically. Check out the Ip Man Cup and see how do chunners spar when it comes to the real thing (MMA and no Wing Chun). The truth is Wing Chun instruction has been mishandled for many years until it has become unscientific if you compare it with any other martial arts that you see in the market, and this explains why they can't block properly, strike with power and move steadily (awkward and clumsy). If someone were to pay 100 dollars per month to train in that for many years and ended up trying to use mixed martial art during actual sparring with little presence of Wing Chun in it, what is the point? Might as well sign up for boxing and Muay Thai right at the beginning. Do not parrot what others have been saying about Wing Chun and JKD; research diligently and scientifically on your own before you determine what is and what is not. The conclusion is: Wing Chun has scientific flaws all these decades.
***** Ring Muay Thai is a sport bearing little resemblance to the traditional form and not nearly as deadly. Western boxing is a sport. Anyone would agree both are effective means of self-defense when used by a highly skilled practitioner, when applied by less skilled practitioners not so much, so what's your point? Research diligently? That is a double-edged sword. Which Wing Chun are you referencing when you say it "doesn't work"? Which underlying discipline (Hung Gar, Hong, Bak Mei, Xing Yi, Dragon, etc.) are you seeing and think has gone from a battlefield skill to ineffective against a contemporary physique? Are you somehow knowledgable of the skill level, training program and principle comprehension of the TH-cam gladiators you're watching? Your lack of real knowledge is apparent and understandable, though you should not pass it off as an expertise. It's called ignorance. My old Tai Ji Quan teacher instructs a special forces unit and yet he never has nor desires to compete in MMA or any other sport venue. In martial arts, like most things in life, it's the things you don't know that will kill you.
Shunga Munga Have you brawled before? How many times? Has your teacher brawled before? How often? The reason why boxing and Muay Thai do work is obvious: their moves fit into the natural expression of the human body (conforming to science of physics and body mechanics similar to brawling). But Wing Chun instructions that you see in the market actually have major and fatal scientific flaws that distort the body mechanics and thus leading to the malfunction of the body which could lead to sports injuries and ineffective use of the limbs. All of these reasons cause the practitioners of Wing Chun to feel awkward as though they have been handcuffed in action- that is why they often become walking sandbags of other stylists ( and non-trained personnel ) when they enter fights. This phenomenon of serious corrupted techniques is uniquely happening to Wing Chun and not so much with other Chinese martial arts. It is indeed what what you guys don't know that will lead you to the downfall (lack of scientific physical research and evidence).
My wife does wing Chun from a pretty diverse and experienced master. And yeah yeah, I know that first fight against the wing Chun guy was pretty even looking, but keep in mind the guy from Australia is a master in his art too. So were this a legit fight, or street situation, it'd probably be pretty violent
I like it. This is true Kong Fu that Chinese people played every day, which is not really for an aggressive fight but more for your health and will power
this is the question that gets me confused, i love to see wing chun BUT, i dont think you can approach reality even self defense with forms,is like you are a robot working with forms,it does not flow naturaly.martial arts and self defense is always about you,the way you express yourself,your body and movement expression. stay formless but alert, aware. i still love wing chun probably will work on some moves with it,but if you ask me about a martial art, i would def say Systema or JKD.or even kali. thats my opinion, thanks
I wonder if these guys learn their wing chun from watching hong kong movies. I say that because after mao took over mainland, after cultural revolution and great leap forward, no one would have practiced kung fu for some 60 years (those who did would probably have been executed). ? much like how shaolin temple has been restaffed as a tourist trap. for kung fu to have survived it would have to be outside of mainland?
I'm not like being rude or anything but I mean, this kung-fu shit really doesn't cut it in this modern world anymore.. When you see them fight like at 14:13 , they practice techniques when sparring but in an actual fight the other guy isn't going to be soft with you. He's gonna run at you fucking throwing hard ass punches and tackling you which will put you down in no time. You won't have time to do your "kung-fu" stuff because I bet you'll be running around trying to punch his ass to death and not thinking about your fighting style too.
So you think people fought differently in the past? What exactly is that historical analysis based on? Has physiology changed? Theories of force and application somehow different now? Maybe the practicalities and efficiencies of combat tactics are ineffective in the modern world because we have tougher skin or denser bones. Maybe a our organs are better protected from impact? Your premise is based on flawed reasoning.
Shunga Munga Actually, your conclusion is wrong, this is the impression that your 'school' has bainwashed you with. Sebastian Loya is the one who is right. If you still do not believe, check Ip Man Cup, they are WC pracittioners yet they fight with 'MMA'. And there's a link and some videos associated with my channel, I have posted the scientific explanation of why chunners cannot spar realistically. People in the past and people nowadays fight in the same way; but chunners are not fighting like normal people (robotic and awkward). To put it directly: Wing Chun instruction is unscientific and it has distorted the normal performance of the body, that is why chunners are incapable of delivering strikes with power, blocks capable of warding off incoming attacks, balance to counter aggression and speed to react in time. All these that I'm posting about are not based on opinion, they are measurable scientific data that you can get from sports specialists all over the world if you take the chunners to them for performance scan.
***** If that's what you believe it is truth for you. My "school" teaches through empirical experience to discover what works, when and how so it can be replicated. Your assessment that WC practitioners are robotic and awkward merely demonstrates how little you know of WC, its principles or how those principles are applied. My WC strikes are no less powerful or destructive than my Hung Gar strikes, my Bak Mei strikes or my Dragon strikes. As far as "warding off incoming attacks", this is one of the inherent strengths of WC, and that you missed that boat shows how little you really know.
''You won't have time to do your "kung-fu" stuff because I bet you'll be running around trying to punch his ass to death and not thinking about your fighting style too.'' You are right, that would be common in amateurs and people who didn't practice WC long enough for it to sink in, for body to memorize the moves. Wing Chun is more complex, as in, it has soo many tools to deal with different attacks. Kickboxing is pretty straightforward, that's why someone who trains kickboxing for 3 months can beat a guy who trains wing chun 3 months. Sadly, even some WC "masters" haven't fully pressure tested their Wing Chun in sparring, so their teaching lacks that element and they create not so great chuners.
Shunga Munga Um yea I think they fought a little different back then, but not enough to make such a difference now. I'm telling you JUST TRY, try to take a kick from someone who trains muay thai. I experienced a "soft" kick from my dad WHILE I WAS BLOCKING who has been doing Muay Thai for 11 years and I had some pretty gruesome bruises in an hour. I asked him to do that just so i could respond to you. Just a reminder: (we are both 6 feet tall and have a lot of muscle from working out. He put my ass on the ground throwing a kick at about 50% of his full power. "kung-fu" isn't going to stop that.
People keep talking about MMA fighters and don't realize the martial arts are more about technique,precision.delivery,energy control,balance,mental control ect.People think brute force always win,not so a lot of time brute force gets you hurt really fast.Remember a Wing Chun master understands a great deal about pressure points and would destroy a MMA fighter quickly from that stand point alone.
I think the only Chinese martial art with real practical application is San Shu, the rest are only effective if you fight within its own set of rules and practices. Just like akido, kendo etc.
Eric, thanks again for posting these videos, they're really great. Also, finally I see a white guy who has actually learned to speak Chinese (Cantonese, right?), and knows subtleties of Chinese culture. Good on ya, mate.
Yeah, Wing-Chun (Ving-Tsun) can be useless in the ring because you can't apply the full power and technique of Ving-Tsun in the ring. It would be illegal and you would end up turning the MMA guy into a little girl. :) Cheers.
"I worship Bruce Lee..."...another jaded fan who can't see what's in front of him...e.g. the fact that Bruce only studied a little Wing Chun...never finished. Grabbed what he thought works from other martial arts w/o even practicing them...from BOOKS (Karate Kid style of learning)...to make JKD. And said outright that he thought traditional kung fu was a "classical mess"... which INCLUDES Wing Chun!!! HELLO!!! :) I used to be a fan as a kid when I didn't question what I heard about him... Chinese guy in the grey shirt looks like William Hung :)
Lung Jan did not invent wing chun, and contrary to what is claimed in this video, he is not at the top of any wing chun lineages. He is Yip Man's si gung, all other lineages, other than Yip Man's, come from different people the generation before Lung Jan.
I see that this Master does not stick to his opponent at all. Yes, very very few Masters know how to fight with Wing Chun. They showed a real Master in the Beginning, Yip Chun (One of Yip Man's Sons)...unfortunately none went to train at his school ;(
Random fact: Ip Chun and his bother never seriously studied Wing Chun nor had an interest in it til just just before there father death. And continued with their fathers senior students....So people who think they are any better than Ip mans students just because they are his "Sons" are kidding themselves...(Ip chun started actually studying Wing Chun during his 40s....) LOL
Ivan Ulanov Random fact: Yip Ching lived with this father Yip for at least 10 years prior to his death and trained diligently (During this time Ip Man had video footage of himself training so that the art would never be lost). Another Random Fact: Yip Chun Taught Donnie Yen the Wing Chun that he displayed in the movie Yip man. In the Movie "The Legend is Born IP MAN" the leading star of the movie Dennis To was a national Kung Fu Champion and one of Yip Chuns top students.
Lescouflair YES, and I AM STILL CORRECT. =D They did not study WING CHUN seriously nor had any real interest in it till IP MAN was near DEATH and could barely even perform any sets without taking a break as HE WAS A KNOWN OPIATE ADDICT(fact). ANd Ip Ching and Ip Chun only took up studying the art in there early and middle 40s!!! First two summery from Ip Ching and Ip Chuns own biography. =X "Ip Chun - born in 1924 in Foshan in the Zheyieng Delta region of the Guangdong province of Southern China. He began studying Wing Chun with his father when he was 7 years old, however he admits that he did not really want to learn at that time and that he remembers relatively little from that early tutelage." "Ip Ching - (born in Fatsan, China in 1936) is the second eldest son of Yip Man. At a young age Ip Ching started his training along with his brother Ip Chun, under his sifu Yip Man (also his father). However this was short lived as his father had to leave and travel to Hong Kong in search of a better life for his family. In 1962 Ip Ching and his older brother Ip Chun now adults were reunited with their father in Hong Kong. They both resumed their training under Ip Mans and his senior students guidance knowing their fathers health was deteriorating" As I said there are more qualified Masters with more experience, All Ip Chun and Ching had was a famous surname and studied less then 10 years with a aging and inapt father who was an opium addict by then and struggled to finish recording even three sets of forms.... You folks watch to many IPMAN movies and ignore factual events.... .Ip Chun taught Donnie Yen a movie star in preparation for a fictional account of Ipmans life.....O.K whats your point???? LOL There are still Masters who have studied dacades under Ipman, yet you cling to his sons who never studied till they realized it was almost late to carry on there fathers art, and were to busy with there schooling and business ventures and only studied during there middle age and above?? LOL
Ivan Ulanov Well, according to you. Who are some of the REAL Wing Chun Masters? Both of Ip Man's Son's obviously are highly skilled in Wing Chun right now.
Lescouflair Chow Kwong-yue Kwok Fu Kwok Fu Lun Kai Chan Chi-sun Lui Ying Chu Shong-tin - Jim Fung - Leung Sheung - Leung Ting - Most have studied since before Ip Chun and Ip Ching moved to Hong Kong to actually train with their father! Dont make me list the masters from the "Other" branches of Wing Chun that are not even in Ip Man affilated. Like the folk Wing Chun from Fujian and the Opera Bout Wing Chun from Canton etc etc....but of course of you folks only know of Wing Chun from Bruce lee movies or the recent Ipman films........lol You did not even know Ipman was a Opium addict probably because they did not include it in the films..
I'm asking only for the teachings of this Chinese martial arts style I will not be in search of others for their style this defense can be most helpful in the worst of situations i have been working hard because of my hero ip man I'm only 19 years old and have been following his martial arts style for the past 2 weeks I'm now in search of a weng chun master to help me teach my people to defend themselves I do not wish to cause ignorance or misunderstanding between our two cultures I greatly respect the Chinese culture and what it's own people have done for its own country so I'm asking now if there are any Chinese weng chun masters seeing this I ask you for your help in furthering my technique and spirit not just one or the other but both I wish to be successful in my search and do not care if no one wishes to teach me the fighting style I am an adapter to fighting styles thanks to Bruce Lee and his advice but I do care to help my people protect themselves I care for all nations greatly and see what most see of our governments
In the security industry it is common knowledge that most martial arts guys are useless in a real fight. Saying that, if you are a natural born fighter, learning martial arts will show you how to become better, and if you are lucky enough to be properly trained by a genuine internal master you have just won the jackpot of life. They very rarely go public but some Western guys, Bruce Frantzis (Adam Mizner, Damo MItchel, Mark Razmus) are the real thing. The internal skills can only be taught by hands on interaction (at the moment) and turn the body into a set of exquisitely tuned elastic hydraulic rams with sympathetic resonance awareness. Chi is real but a very difficult for the mind to grasp as a concept but let's try anyway;) Bouyancy creates a centre to peripheral potential force that relative to gravity is crucial in terms of biophysics. Like a rubber submarine, with a rubber central heating system inside it. The deeper it goes underwater, the more it pushes back aginst the crushing forces around it. This crushing force is fed through the rubber walls into the rubber pipes and struts inside the submarine and is continuously shifting, changing density and changing volume. Even when completely still, the potential force stored in the elastic tissue is significant. Any oscillations caused by sonic / seismic type energy the submarine encounters due to environmental noise AND internaly generated sound /pressure waves are altered by this potential force because density changes pitch, tone and volume. The curved surfaces angle of the elastic membrane tissue changes as it is compressed and relaxed but even while still, acts as a parabolic sonic mirror to any internal vibrations, curved egg shaped parabolic surfaces being the only efficient shape to deal with pressure differentials and bouyancy requirement. Here for the rubber sub analogy to continue we have to fill the submarine with water and lift it onto the air, let's call it "H.M.S. human body" an anti submarine, whose job is to protect the water inside being evaporated off in all directions, and the sailors called kidneys, liver, spleen from being too dry or roughly treated. The parabolic mirror shape of the fascia and skin type outer layer of the H.M.S. human body means that any regular sonic activity inside the submarine, eg.sailor heart playing his drums, will bounce around the watery internal cavities for a long time as water conducts sound brilliantly. As the sound waves bounce off the satelite dish shaped outer shell, in certain places in the "human body" the sound waves form standing waves and nodal lines of extra volume and relative silence , especially if someone left the sound system on and it is generating feedback in very tight high pitched ultrasonic frequencies, and very low throbbing infrasonic frequencies. Air behaves like a fluid and creates 1.03kg of force per square centimeter at sea level, the human body has on average nealry 2 square metres of skin. That is two tonnes of crushing force being generated at seal level relative to being on a planet such as Mars. If one stand inside a large enough bell jar and releases the potential energy, ie create a vaccuum the body expands as the potetial energy is released. Does that mean that through diligent practice one could gain the ability to dilate the central nervous system in it's entirety and release this potential energy in tiny, invisble ranges of movement? Hell yes! you just have to learn to NOT think for long periods of time as thinking contracts the nerves. Plus have fantastic postural alignments and superlative breathing habits. Come on people, two tonnes of force at your fingertips! The art is called nei kung and is popular in parts of China. I learned it from a strange and wonderful man called Bruce Frantzis who runs a company called energy arts. I am steeped in the language of physics from my family background (Father, grandfather all physicists) yet i learned these skills out of neccessity as i was disabled in my late teens. I am trying to engage with open minded people about the possibility that there is a difference between genuine fighting masters of the art trying to talk to scientists and hippies and armchair warriors mouthing off because they want to feel special. Please check out my TH-cam channel where I show these phenomena in action and let me know what you think. While breathing from your lower belly;)
There are two kinds of martial arts.. One is for entertainment and one is for selfdefense... Ive seen a lot of it... Mostly of this can be seen in sport.. As you can see there are so many rules in sport.. Not unlike in selfdefense.. visit under ground fight.. You will see no rules.... MMA is nonsense.. rules you will see the diffrent
Wow..., The facts that are lacking here... is that in any type/style of fighting, the differences are in a persons levels of experience. With that... a given person that is applying their learned skills through; practicing, sparring, and competing will continue to excel and be able to hold their own in any fight verse someone who does nothing but talk.
ya ya ya i get it no one likes silva. internets a fun place where people can talk without thinking, but we all forget ju jitsu is something almost every mma fighter learns, kungfu is some pretty sickly serious stuff when you get down to eye strikes and throat grabbing. its hard to take serious when you cant use kungfu to its serious extent. kungfu was never designed around surviving 5 rounds of 3 mins. its designed around 1 second of completing the kill. everyone seems to miss the art part of martial arts. or that MMA stands for mixxed martial arts. or that bruce lee, kung fu master invented the open palm boxing glove which has now evolved into the gloves we use in MMA today. the martial arts world is missing the warrior aspect, the shamanistic aspect. all i see are talented fighters being jackasse being rude, calling other styles a joke lacking consideration for his fellow man.
a few bouncers ive sent to the hospital would disagree, but that shoudlnt be my arguing evidence, or shut down people for their beliefs its not about the style its about the person. im a good fighter and some of it comes from what ive learned practicing WC. and im aware seagal doesnt practice WC , I find akido less practical than WC. im literally one of those guys who saw IP man, and became obsessed with wingchun. up until that point i was getting my ass kicked frequently in bars and couldnt throw a punch without busting a knuckle or my wrists. say what you want im living proof wingchun is an effective education for fighting
sigh, ya i gotta love my dragonball z but i have plenty of broken bones, a jaw that clicks when i yawn. alot of friends i dont talk to anymore becasue they just wont grow up and stop sellin drugs or they're dead. or in jail for stupid shit. been on the road ina metal band, metal heads love to scrap, and kids these days really like to make buying weed dangerous. the ring is a great place to put you merrit where your mouth is. bruce lee said it himself, iis not the style its the person, wingchun worked for me its not about the style that works its how the person works. i wll vouche for wingchun, am i the best fighter with zero losses, no hell no. but it works for me. and ya im a damn good story teller after a few beers.
seagal doesnt train wing chun he is akido and karate expert rofl... and he pays Anderson Silva money to hang around him....Hes just a hanger oner, everyone knows this except you it seems, he isn't actually teaching them anything ... i think you are an epic douche bag if you were for real.
I don't understand why everyone on here that like to bash wing chun goes to these videos is it just to be a troll or do you all just have nothing better to do than to go to specific video's just to bash them and call them useless. Just saying its very annoying
style + tech don't always decide the fight. Ken Shamrock in his prime beat guys with pure aggression+power. J santos beat K Vasquez with a few lucky punches basically. k was better but u never no. As far as Knocking Bruce or yip. obviously bruce could fight. anybody who says different has never been in a real fight. Think he overtrained himself to death though..
Ive been boxing for 3 years now but i gotta say i truly respect the weng chun kung fu ,hell i respect all kinds of martial arts except the stupid ufc mixed martial arts shit animals in a fucking cage like a dog fight
+Salman Ali As a boxer, how are you any different from the "animals in a cage"? Also, you do know it's not a real cage, right? The fighters are allowed to leave or give up if they want. It's not human cockfighting.
Its too funny. When Bruce founded JKD the WT Masters called him paria and banned him, and they hate him and says that JKD isnt good. After Bruce became a Superstar and JKD rules the world the WT community says "hey, look, we made the same Bruce Lee learned before create JKD!". In fact: If WT Kung Fu were good BL don't have to create JKD. He create it because he saw the tons of not usefull techniques in it.
Bruce never learned the full system in all fairness. Also, it does have the drawback of having no takedown defense. That doesn't mean it's bad, it just means that there are problems with it, same as any martial art.
At 17:20, they mention how Southern-style kung fu "is good for street combat." What I suspect many Westerners do not understand is that the streets in China are much narrower than, say, the parking lots or suburbs. Even the Octagon ring for MMA would be a wide open space compared to the narrow alleyways where one might encounter ambushes in street fights. I think this is why there is an emphasis on "minimizing movement" at the expense of power.
Very enjoyable thank you. I love the comment at the end regarding the happiness of children. My 8 year old has joined my Wing Chun group and the fun they have while learning is a joy to behold. They soak it up like a sponge.
I studied Shaolin Kung Fu all the way through my green belt. Wing Chun looks like another facet of the martial arts. Your mandarin is spoken very well too! Keep up the good work!
+Alex Lin Haha! You are right! It is not just another facet; the reason why it looks like the odd one out is because it is a pseudoscience. We can hardly find another so-called martial art that makes the practitioners behave like an awkward and rigid robot and consistently being beaten by others so regularly. You could write a short post here regarding this observation. I think the public needs to hear from guys like you who had done Shaolin Kung Fu to warn the public that this is a pseudoscience. I could post your observation on the blog.
Shaolin Kung fu have belt systems??
One wonders as to why there is so much argument on which martial art is better. I've trained wing chun for a while now and i've found it's helped me in so many different ways, however there are downsides to it. I also trained Tae Kwon Do for a while too, there are also downsides to that as well, same as karate, same as jiu jitsu. EVERY SINGLE MARTIAL ART out there has their strengths and weaknesses and people comparing them obviously have no fucking clue whatsoever about fighting. it's about how good someone is at their martial art, if someone is crap at wing chun up against an experienced boxer, the boxer would flatten him with ease and same vice versa. advantages of wing chun over boxing - utilises kicking which can bridge gaps with ease and can cause serious pain. advantages of boxing over wing chun - extremely fast and effective striking in a variety of ways.. get over all these martial arts wars and appreciate them for what they are, it's really quite pathetic.
yeah it's quite sad, the only comments I see on every martial arts video is either "this is not the REAL (isert x martial art)" or "this is only good for show, it's no good for THE REAL applications, not like MMA"
yeah dude, and im quite a subjective person, i can see that every martial art is different, and you can as well. it also depends on the fight, an experienced boxer/wing chun exponent could get their arse kicked by someone who's never trained at anything before, if they get a good blow in that is. it's just sad, people need to stop comparing everything in society, martial arts included. i have found that it seems to be the MMA guys alot of the time too, there's no doubting it's damn effective though and i love watching ufc etc. however alot of these arts aren't for rings, they're for the streets, hence why you quite often can't find footage/examples of these being utilised
Good point! That's why Bruce Lee does not believe there is a Chinese, Korean or Japanese or whatever way. Our own way is the way. :-)
donkzilla1 lol everything has downsides even boxing, there is no great art it’s your training and fighting skill that makes your art better for you in combat
that spar match near the end was great you can hear the power behind those strikes
I am surprised that are so many haters of win chun......wing chun is not a sport and it is for self defence. Understand the concepts of wing chun before making baseless comments ...
However, I think Wing Chun has to be redesigned so it can fit in today´s needs for a strong self defense martial art, In fact, You can see how Bruce Lee took all this knowledge from Wing Chun and merged it with a bunch of other techniques, from western Boxing to japanese Judo, cause He understood Wing Chun alone wasn´t going to be able to handle all spots in a real fight.
And what is more, People has to understand the there are not such things as STYLES, We don´t have to understand a martial art´s concepts, instead, we have to find the best way to protect us from the attacker without anything in mind, just live another day.
Pablo Vargas This is a misconception: Before people picked this up, the instruction was already distorted, you can actually see WC has no scientific performance from its bodily performance. This was and is the reason why people think it ought to 'evolve'. If you look at the rest of the Chinese Kung Fu, only WC has ridiculously weak strikes, blocks and balance; the rest of the Chinese Kung Fu are more or less intact and performing scientifically. If WC is the odd one out of the rest, it means something is amiss in its instruction (corrupted). This is the real contributing factor why it isn't working properly; not because of person, experience, etc.
Well, I think WC is a really powerfull Martial Art when you see it as a core Martial Art but it lacks of adaptability, which is the main step that you have to follow to win a fight. So I think It´s not corrupted but it has to aquire flexibility to adapt and overcome every opponent with a different approach.
Pablo Vargas It's supposed to be good; not powerful. You should have seen many videos of WC on TH-cam, what is the common problem of them all? The bodily behavior is awkward and stiff. Many ex-practitioners did point out the strikes are powerless and the balance is compromised - in a nutshell: unrealistic. We did a research on this and discovered the science of WC is gone because the instruction has been misinterpreted many times for decades. This probably happened before the 'popular actor' made kung fu and Wing Chun popular worldwide. There's some videos on my channel - the footage is the natural expression of WC (closest expression of WC which the original instruction probably wanted it to be). There, you can see the guys doing real brawling with kung fu without adding boxing or fighting clumsily with powerless strikes and blocks.
Clown7916 Light or full sparring would be sufficient. Most importantly is the behavior has to be realistic. The problem of chunners is that they theorize too much what the opponent would do.
I love the MMA vs Traditional Martial Arts arguments. I have trained Wing Chun from Duncan Leung’s lineage, directly under Yip Man. I have studied Choy Li Fut, and Tibetan Kung Fu. 20 years practical experience. Would I win against an MMA fighter in the ring? No. Two reasons. I would have to modify my training to segregate my fighting reactions to fit the rules of the sport. I would either react with an illegal hit, or, not react appropriately to the situation. On the street is a different situation. I can use all my tools and appropriately engage without hesitation. I love MMA. I love Boxing. Huge fan. But these are sports. When you do not know what your opponent offers to the engagement, coupled with the non-existence of rules.... traditional martial arts have the advantage. You simply cannot compare sport and traditional arts. Both have their relevance. Both are successful on their terms.
The mainstream Wing Chun instruction is unscientific and unworkable, the techniques that are taught nowadays have deviated and are different from the original version - it is corrupt. Check out the videos on our channel and check out our disclosure on Udemy and Amazon.
@@smartresearchwingchun494 yeah I do agree, many wing chun school are fake, they just teach nonsense
the real schools of direct lineage are not that mant
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Wow some actual Wing Chun exposure on TH-cam? *Bravo*
I just love all these arm chair martial artists on youtube,
What are those batons called at 29:05 are they just a training aid or is there an art built around them +Eric Couillard and if so what is it called does anybody know? Thanks
as I recall, it's just a training aid, but i don't remember the name. it's been a while since we filmed this. does anyone reading the comments know what Drew is asking about?
This guy speaks Mandarin really well. That is great.
Frankly what is being said about adapting d wc moves in an actual attack is true...it depends on the person if u ask me...whether they actually understand the concepts behind the forms and not be too rigid about it. Practise also makes perfect...just my 2 cents
Wing Chun ist die beste Selbstverteidigung....
Something else to notice: rather than learning Wing Chun as a means of becoming a professional fighter, the people in Foshan learn martial arts as a supplement to their occupations: businessman, professor, student, etc.. They didn't give up everything else to become fighters, but integrated the fighting into their everyday lives. That in itself is admirable.
Love it. Thank you for your hard work and sharing.
It is my profound pleasure!
No martial art is everything but to get up and running quick with some practical stuff you can't beat wing chun and jiujitsu. Most ppl don't have the time to become masters or don't spend their time picking fights in elementary school.
On the flip side western boxing and aikido can also kick some serious ass too.
In the end keeping things simple in any discipline allows the practitioner to grasp the concepts quickly and refine the movements through repetition and sparring. Sparring is essential just like playing basketball or tennis against varied opponents. You will always learn more by doing that by practicing by yourself.
Thank you for your documentry and for sharing insight you have learned in your visit to Fonshan. I was most pleasantly surprised to learn about lion dancing and was amused by your feedback.
Eric, One thing I was able to see that I find is a weakness in me is that your ability to remain passive and receptive to a teachers instruction, your solemn mannerism when adopting the new culture, and the seriousness you put into learning and using what you have learned.
If you could share some insight on a problem I have, I would be very appreciative. I spend a lot of time learning but I am very ashamed of myself when I am being given new instruction. In the moments where I am being shown something, it is a psychological disturbance where I find it difficult to be okay with not being perfect at something.
I think I have developed a conceited ego and it is very difficult to overcome and become receptive and open minded.
Of course, this kind of openness was exemplified during the sparring session of wing chun and northern arts. In and after the session, while bother were delivering blows, to my amazement, neither presumed that one was better than the other, but instead, looked and analyzed objectively the flaws and advantages of their arts and techniques. This is one aspect of objective perception that I wish to gain in my journey of learning martial arts.
I wish to have such knowledge that I can assimilate and analyze combative movements and techniques critically and objectively without being egotistical or imposing.
Eric, I noticed you were getting hit in the head pretty hard with those straight fists. Did you feel them just as hard with the helmet on? I am impressed with the power behind the punches. I really like your use of kung fu. It is evident that your shapes and forms are in your style of fighting.
If there was anything more I could add I can say that I found this video was in respect for the culture and admirable, without imposing or rudeful side comments while in the presence of the students. I have noticed in other documentrys that sometimes the people will talk as if the students or the teachers arent there, and I find it in poor taste.
All in all, be well fellows, and may your studies and your day be enjoyed.
Jordan
+J Chem Hi Jordan, thanks for watching. It sounds like you're very frustrated about what you're labeling a 'psychological disturbance.' I'd recommend a book called Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, I think it can help you. Let me know if you have any more questions.
+Eric Couillard
I appreciate your recommendation, I'm going to add this book to my library.
+Eric Couillard tienes subtitulos en español
i don't speak spanish, but if you want to create subtitles i'd be happy to put them up
+Eric Couillard ok thank you
Thank you Mr. Eric.. I write Asian action movies for a hobby and I appreciate this video. Thank you for posting this.
Really interesting and visually arresting flick, but positively Thank You for English subtitles!
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
Why don't they attack the arms and hands or legs and feet when sparring? Is this not common practice in kung fu?
Of the 3 hosts, Yan Fei reminds me of William Hung from American Idol.
It doesn't mean WC is the supreme fight,it's all depending on the fighter! Consider for a moment the judo,can be simple fight? Not at all !!!
In a real fight,fast as possible,taking right arm and right above leg of the opponent, you can use the technique: "Kata guruma",once you're on the shoulder and you falling on the street fast badly,you don't stand up anymore !!!
All fight are good...."the ability and the moment to use is more important"!!!
Thanks for sharing this, i enjoy with this, good videos have in your channel, Greetings from Stgo, Chile.
Anyone interested in mantis forms, check this at 1:30(!!!)
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Eric, you may get this question often, but how did you learn Chinese? I like how fluent you are! Mandarin is a language I wish to learn as well. Also, you are very skilled at martial arts! How long have you been training Eskrima for?
Thanks for the kind words, Peter. I studied Chinese in college and spent a decent amount of time in China. I've been training Filipino Martial Arts for about 5 years, but it's hard to find partners in China. How did you know I practice Eskrima?
You are welcome! I thought it would have been easier to find training partners for Eskrima in China since Asian martial arts have similarities particularly Eskrima and Wing Chun. I have trouble finding people here in Los Angeles who share the same passion! I learned that you train Eskrima from the video. They briefly mention it during the segment about your background. Are you training in China right now?
oh ok, i didn't even realize, haha. you can't find people who practice eskrima in LA? do you know inosanto? i think he's in LA. he's the best when it comes to filipino martial arts in my opinion. but i'm pretty biased; he's my guru's guru (grand guru?). i mostly train internal kung fu in china.
Haha. You are more famous than you think! How did you get to be in that episode about Wing Chun, by the way? Yes, I do know of Dan Inosanto. My first Eskrima instructor trained under him. I would love to train with him, but I have to wait until I have a career after I graduate. I suppose I mean that it is hard to find Eskrima friends. Hah. It is not a very mainstream martial art to my surprise. So, you are training Kung Fu in China right now? That sounds like the life, man! If I may ask, what do you do that allows you to live this dream of every martial art enthusiast?
There's nothing special, I just do it. If you want to try it yourself, you just need enough money to buy a plane ticket. 'follow your bliss, and the universe will open doors for you where before there were only walls.' you can do it too!
i dont understand what Leung Jan make with that 7 olives . 7 steps and ...hit them on the table ?
You should try real ving tsun WONG SHUN LEUNG the real actual combat
So right around 15:25 the Wing Chun master gestures as if he's going to strike with the back of his fist. I bring it up because this isn't the first time I've noticed this with Wing Chun. If you strike me in the face with flat part of a backhand I can almost guarantee my face will break your hand. Can someone explain to me what the reasoning is for this? My point also is that even if you land knuckles you're still taking a huge risk... Great Vid tho
If anyone ever uses the back of the hand, it's not Wing Chun. My sifu always says if you can't relate back to the forms; Siu lam Tao, chum Kiu, etc, it isn't traditional Wing Chun.
RYAN MORRA
I can almost guarantee my face will break your hand......... I guarantee you will have a bloody nose.
jackson k. wong a few days ago a guy accidently shouldered me in the face playing soccer. Surprisingly enough I didn't get that bad of a nose bleed, but I still stand behind what I said. Hitting people with the back of your hand is gonna mess your hand up.
No, that only happens to boxers who don't train to strengthen their hands, Ryan. Wing chun practitioners toughen their knuckles, hands, forearms wrists, and even their shins and legs on the wooden dummy and the various bags. So we can take the force. Besides, remaining relaxed allows the power to penetrate the skull, causing more substantial damage.
Liked the programme Good insight into wingchun and martial arts.
it's not that wing isn't effect in the ring, its that 1. Most of the practitioners that we see in these only use dead energy instead of basic forward energy. 2. They don't spar nearly enough outside their own schools, no matter what you do if you've never faced down a good grappler before you'er probably gonna end up on the floor. Prev exp counts for alot. 3. Sooooooooooo many of them are way off center wing chun never ever works if don't know how to close off your center.
martial arts is like language more you leraen the more u know
You lot are arguing about the way Bruce lee fought, wing chun was his basis he took everything from that but also went further than wing chun, studying Mohammed Ali and joe Lewis and taking the most efficient moves for him as a fighter, the whole philosophy of jeet kune do was the most efficient an quickest way to deal with your opponent, jeet kune do is not a style it is the best way for you as your own fighters to deal with your opponent.
You are praising something that you do not know about. JKD is scientifically flawed because technically if a person tries to mix arts in that way, his performance would have awkward pauses and the actual speed and power of those pure arts would be compromised. I'm not talking about 'theory' I'm telling you guys this fact can be tested with a sports specialist in lab test environment. If you all don't understand what this is about, think about utensils: To make things more 'effective' why not have something with the design of a spoon, chopstick, fork, knife, bowl and straw? It sounds like a noble idea of invention, but it would disassociate with reality if anyone tried to design such a stuff - this is the scientific error of JKD. That is why we do not see it flourish in the martial art world practically.
With only 3 years of WC Bruce Lee hardly took everything from the discipline. Just to fully understand Siu Lim Tao takes on average 6 years of daily practice, and that is just the beginning. You are also confusing style with discipline. WC, just like Taijichuan, Akido, Xingyi and a host of others is based on principles not technique. When applied correctly each is efficient and if desired quite devastating if not deadly. If you want to see WC principles used against MMA sport fighting check out UFC fighters at a marine base. The sport guys are easily overwhelmed, which one would expect once the rules of a ring are not a restriction.
Shunga Munga 6 years? It is not a secret that even practitioners who have trained for more than that can't spar/fight realistically. Check out the Ip Man Cup and see how do chunners spar when it comes to the real thing (MMA and no Wing Chun). The truth is Wing Chun instruction has been mishandled for many years until it has become unscientific if you compare it with any other martial arts that you see in the market, and this explains why they can't block properly, strike with power and move steadily (awkward and clumsy). If someone were to pay 100 dollars per month to train in that for many years and ended up trying to use mixed martial art during actual sparring with little presence of Wing Chun in it, what is the point? Might as well sign up for boxing and Muay Thai right at the beginning. Do not parrot what others have been saying about Wing Chun and JKD; research diligently and scientifically on your own before you determine what is and what is not. The conclusion is: Wing Chun has scientific flaws all these decades.
***** Ring Muay Thai is a sport bearing little resemblance to the traditional form and not nearly as deadly. Western boxing is a sport. Anyone would agree both are effective means of self-defense when used by a highly skilled practitioner, when applied by less skilled practitioners not so much, so what's your point? Research diligently? That is a double-edged sword. Which Wing Chun are you referencing when you say it "doesn't work"? Which underlying discipline (Hung Gar, Hong, Bak Mei, Xing Yi, Dragon, etc.) are you seeing and think has gone from a battlefield skill to ineffective against a contemporary physique? Are you somehow knowledgable of the skill level, training program and principle comprehension of the TH-cam gladiators you're watching? Your lack of real knowledge is apparent and understandable, though you should not pass it off as an expertise. It's called ignorance. My old Tai Ji Quan teacher instructs a special forces unit and yet he never has nor desires to compete in MMA or any other sport venue. In martial arts, like most things in life, it's the things you don't know that will kill you.
Shunga Munga Have you brawled before? How many times? Has your teacher brawled before? How often? The reason why boxing and Muay Thai do work is obvious: their moves fit into the natural expression of the human body (conforming to science of physics and body mechanics similar to brawling). But Wing Chun instructions that you see in the market actually have major and fatal scientific flaws that distort the body mechanics and thus leading to the malfunction of the body which could lead to sports injuries and ineffective use of the limbs. All of these reasons cause the practitioners of Wing Chun to feel awkward as though they have been handcuffed in action- that is why they often become walking sandbags of other stylists ( and non-trained personnel ) when they enter fights. This phenomenon of serious corrupted techniques is uniquely happening to Wing Chun and not so much with other Chinese martial arts. It is indeed what what you guys don't know that will lead you to the downfall (lack of scientific physical research and evidence).
For the long pole, why there no 栏(lan)
My wife does wing Chun from a pretty diverse and experienced master. And yeah yeah, I know that first fight against the wing Chun guy was pretty even looking, but keep in mind the guy from Australia is a master in his art too. So were this a legit fight, or street situation, it'd probably be pretty violent
Very cool video my friend! What lineage is this? Just out of curiosity.
I like it. This is true Kong Fu that Chinese people played every day, which is not really for an aggressive fight but more for your health and will power
Is Wing Chun , is not Wing cHUN
this is the question that gets me confused, i love to see wing chun BUT, i dont think you can approach reality even self defense with forms,is like you are a robot working with forms,it does not flow naturaly.martial arts and self defense is always about you,the way you express yourself,your body and movement expression. stay formless but alert, aware. i still love wing chun probably will work on some moves with it,but if you ask me about a martial art, i would def say Systema or JKD.or even kali. thats my opinion, thanks
See Master Wong. His dynamic wing chun is the best!
Eric, you should look up Wong Shun Leung Wing Chun.
I saw a demonstration where boxing technique destroyed wing chung. 52 blocks also destroyed wing chung.
Why do u all argue? and one can train martial arts for two reasons only 1 for health 2 for self defense
that guy is a beast for speaking Cantonese or Mandarin...
From what lineage does this Ving Tsung come from?
Pengnam Wing Chun from Foshan
It's about time they broaden !
excelente presentación! !!!!!! very very Professional. ....Senpai Nestor Pensotti
I wonder if these guys learn their wing chun from watching hong kong movies.
I say that because after mao took over mainland, after cultural revolution and great leap forward, no one would have practiced kung fu for some 60 years (those who did would probably have been executed). ?
much like how shaolin temple has been restaffed as a tourist trap. for kung fu to have survived it would have to be outside of mainland?
I'm not like being rude or anything but I mean, this kung-fu shit really doesn't cut it in this modern world anymore.. When you see them fight like at 14:13 , they practice techniques when sparring but in an actual fight the other guy isn't going to be soft with you. He's gonna run at you fucking throwing hard ass punches and tackling you which will put you down in no time. You won't have time to do your "kung-fu" stuff because I bet you'll be running around trying to punch his ass to death and not thinking about your fighting style too.
So you think people fought differently in the past? What exactly is that historical analysis based on? Has physiology changed? Theories of force and application somehow different now? Maybe the practicalities and efficiencies of combat tactics are ineffective in the modern world because we have tougher skin or denser bones. Maybe a our organs are better protected from impact? Your premise is based on flawed reasoning.
Shunga Munga Actually, your conclusion is wrong, this is the impression that your 'school' has bainwashed you with. Sebastian Loya is the one who is right. If you still do not believe, check Ip Man Cup, they are WC pracittioners yet they fight with 'MMA'. And there's a link and some videos associated with my channel, I have posted the scientific explanation of why chunners cannot spar realistically. People in the past and people nowadays fight in the same way; but chunners are not fighting like normal people (robotic and awkward). To put it directly: Wing Chun instruction is unscientific and it has distorted the normal performance of the body, that is why chunners are incapable of delivering strikes with power, blocks capable of warding off incoming attacks, balance to counter aggression and speed to react in time. All these that I'm posting about are not based on opinion, they are measurable scientific data that you can get from sports specialists all over the world if you take the chunners to them for performance scan.
***** If that's what you believe it is truth for you. My "school" teaches through empirical experience to discover what works, when and how so it can be replicated. Your assessment that WC practitioners are robotic and awkward merely demonstrates how little you know of WC, its principles or
how those principles are applied. My WC strikes are no less powerful or destructive than my Hung Gar strikes, my Bak Mei strikes or my Dragon strikes. As far as "warding off incoming attacks", this is one of the inherent strengths of WC, and that you missed that boat shows how little you really know.
''You won't have time to do your "kung-fu" stuff because I bet you'll be running around trying to punch his ass to death and not thinking about your fighting style too.''
You are right, that would be common in amateurs and people who didn't practice WC long enough for it to sink in, for body to memorize the moves. Wing Chun is more complex, as in, it has soo many tools to deal with different attacks. Kickboxing is pretty straightforward, that's why someone who trains kickboxing for 3 months can beat a guy who trains wing chun 3 months.
Sadly, even some WC "masters" haven't fully pressure tested their Wing Chun in sparring, so their teaching lacks that element and they create not so great chuners.
Shunga Munga Um yea I think they fought a little different back then, but not enough to make such a difference now. I'm telling you JUST TRY, try to take a kick from someone who trains muay thai. I experienced a "soft" kick from my dad WHILE I WAS BLOCKING who has been doing Muay Thai for 11 years and I had some pretty gruesome bruises in an hour. I asked him to do that just so i could respond to you. Just a reminder: (we are both 6 feet tall and have a lot of muscle from working out. He put my ass on the ground throwing a kick at about 50% of his full power. "kung-fu" isn't going to stop that.
Everyone Wing Chung tonight until you run into MMA..........lol
People keep talking about MMA fighters and don't realize the martial arts are more about technique,precision.delivery,energy control,balance,mental control ect.People think brute force always win,not so a lot of time brute force gets you hurt really fast.Remember a Wing Chun master understands a great deal about pressure points and would destroy a MMA fighter quickly from that stand point alone.
Thanks for sharing the this eric!
Beautiful documentary!!
Really got me hyped for some Wing Chun!
Anyone who can recommend a channel where I can learn the basics?
Thanks!
+RareTechniques go luck at master wong video
+RareTechniques look
@@nghialam2388 Master Wong is not wing chun, he seems influenced by it, but nothing to do with wing chun
um dos melhores vídeos wing chun que eu ja ví parabéns pela palestra!
Everybody Wing Chun tonight.
I havent seen yet a wing chun practicioner with muscles...why dont they train to gain some muscle?
Great job guys.
Jeet Kune Do is not based on wing chun, but on western sword fencing.
No, it is based on several arts...including wing chun as well as fencing
I think the only Chinese martial art with real practical application is San Shu, the rest are only effective if you fight within its own set of rules and practices. Just like akido, kendo etc.
I use wing chun but only to compliment my other arts it helps me in the clinch occasionally if I was to learn only 1 chinese art it would be sanda
wing chun works.
It's very good for defeating enemies.
Eric, thanks again for posting these videos, they're really great. Also, finally I see a white guy who has actually learned to speak Chinese (Cantonese, right?), and knows subtleties of Chinese culture.
Good on ya, mate.
omg so nice Technics i want to learn it..
Not a dislike of Wing Chun...just a video that has the description in English, but then the video is NOT in English, nor any subtitles...
I enjoy watching but still think glasgow kiss is hard to beat!!
Maquillaje mary kay
Yeah, Wing-Chun (Ving-Tsun) can be useless in the ring because you can't apply the full power and technique of Ving-Tsun in the ring. It would be illegal and you would end up turning the MMA guy into a little girl. :) Cheers.
Must See: Wing chun vs kickboxing
"I worship Bruce Lee..."...another jaded fan who can't see what's in front of him...e.g. the fact that Bruce only studied a little Wing Chun...never finished. Grabbed what he thought works from other martial arts w/o even practicing them...from BOOKS (Karate Kid style of learning)...to make JKD. And said outright that he thought traditional kung fu was a "classical mess"... which INCLUDES Wing Chun!!! HELLO!!! :) I used to be a fan as a kid when I didn't question what I heard about him...
Chinese guy in the grey shirt looks like William Hung :)
Jkd has four major principles
Do your own research
Keep what useful
Discard what useless
Make specially your own
Eric is a paid actor by CCTV and he fights like a baby😂😂
Lung Jan did not invent wing chun, and contrary to what is claimed in this video, he is not at the top of any wing chun lineages. He is Yip Man's si gung, all other lineages, other than Yip Man's, come from different people the generation before Lung Jan.
I see that this Master does not stick to his opponent at all. Yes, very very few Masters know how to fight with Wing Chun. They showed a real Master in the Beginning, Yip Chun (One of Yip Man's Sons)...unfortunately none went to train at his school ;(
Random fact: Ip Chun and his bother never seriously studied Wing Chun nor had an interest in it til just just before there father death. And continued with their fathers senior students....So people who think they are any better than Ip mans students just because they are his "Sons" are kidding themselves...(Ip chun started actually studying Wing Chun during his 40s....) LOL
Ivan Ulanov
Random fact: Yip Ching lived with this father Yip for at least 10 years prior to his death and trained diligently (During this time Ip Man had video footage of himself training so that the art would never be lost). Another Random Fact: Yip Chun Taught Donnie Yen the Wing Chun that he displayed in the movie Yip man. In the Movie "The Legend is Born IP MAN" the leading star of the movie Dennis To was a national Kung Fu Champion and one of Yip Chuns top students.
Lescouflair
YES, and I AM STILL CORRECT. =D
They did not study WING CHUN seriously nor had any real interest in it till IP MAN was near DEATH and could barely even perform any sets without taking a break as HE WAS A KNOWN OPIATE ADDICT(fact). ANd Ip Ching and Ip Chun only took up studying the art in there early and middle 40s!!!
First two summery from Ip Ching and Ip Chuns own biography. =X
"Ip Chun - born in 1924 in Foshan in the Zheyieng Delta region of the Guangdong province of Southern China. He began studying Wing Chun with his father when he was 7 years old, however he admits that he did not really want to learn at that time and that he remembers relatively little from that early tutelage."
"Ip Ching - (born in Fatsan, China in 1936) is the second eldest son of Yip Man. At a young age Ip Ching started his training along with his brother Ip Chun, under his sifu Yip Man (also his father). However this was short lived as his father had to leave and travel to Hong Kong in search of a better life for his family. In 1962 Ip Ching and his older brother Ip Chun now adults were reunited with their father in Hong Kong. They both resumed their training under Ip Mans and his senior students guidance knowing their fathers health was deteriorating"
As I said there are more qualified Masters with more experience, All Ip Chun and Ching had was a famous surname and studied less then 10 years with a aging and inapt father who was an opium addict by then and struggled to finish recording even three sets of forms....
You folks watch to many IPMAN movies and ignore factual events....
.Ip Chun taught Donnie Yen a movie star in preparation for a fictional account of Ipmans life.....O.K whats your point???? LOL
There are still Masters who have studied dacades under Ipman, yet you cling to his sons who never studied till they realized it was almost late to carry on there fathers art, and were to busy with there schooling and business ventures and only studied during there middle age and above?? LOL
Ivan Ulanov
Well, according to you. Who are some of the REAL Wing Chun Masters? Both of Ip Man's Son's obviously are highly skilled in Wing Chun right now.
Lescouflair
Chow Kwong-yue
Kwok Fu
Kwok Fu
Lun Kai
Chan Chi-sun
Lui Ying
Chu Shong-tin -
Jim Fung -
Leung Sheung -
Leung Ting -
Most have studied since before Ip Chun and Ip Ching moved to Hong Kong to actually train with their father!
Dont make me list the masters from the "Other" branches of Wing Chun that are not even in Ip Man affilated. Like the folk Wing Chun from Fujian and the Opera Bout Wing Chun from Canton
etc etc....but of course of you folks only know of Wing Chun from Bruce lee movies or the recent
Ipman films........lol You did not even know Ipman was a Opium addict probably because they did not include it in the
films..
MUITO BOM ISSO E ARTES MARCIAIS
I'm asking only for the teachings of this Chinese martial arts style I will not be in search of others for their style this defense can be most helpful in the worst of situations i have been working hard because of my hero ip man I'm only 19 years old and have been following his martial arts style for the past 2 weeks I'm now in search of a weng chun master to help me teach my people to defend themselves I do not wish to cause ignorance or misunderstanding between our two cultures I greatly respect the Chinese culture and what it's own people have done for its own country so I'm asking now if there are any Chinese weng chun masters seeing this I ask you for your help in furthering my technique and spirit not just one or the other but both I wish to be successful in my search and do not care if no one wishes to teach me the fighting style I am an adapter to fighting styles thanks to Bruce Lee and his advice but I do care to help my people protect themselves I care for all nations greatly and see what most see of our governments
In the security industry it is common knowledge that most martial arts guys are useless in a real fight. Saying that, if you are a natural born fighter, learning martial arts will show you how to become better, and if you are lucky enough to be properly trained by a genuine internal master you have just won the jackpot of life. They very rarely go public but some Western guys, Bruce Frantzis (Adam Mizner, Damo MItchel, Mark Razmus) are the real thing.
The internal skills can only be taught by hands on interaction (at the moment) and turn the body into a set of exquisitely tuned elastic hydraulic rams with sympathetic resonance awareness.
Chi is real but a very difficult for the mind to grasp as a concept but let's try anyway;)
Bouyancy creates a centre to peripheral potential force that relative to gravity is crucial in terms of biophysics. Like a rubber submarine, with a rubber central heating system inside it. The deeper it goes underwater, the more it pushes back aginst the crushing forces around it. This crushing force is fed through the rubber walls into the rubber pipes and struts inside the submarine and is continuously shifting, changing density and changing volume.
Even when completely still, the potential force stored in the elastic tissue is significant. Any oscillations caused by sonic / seismic type energy the submarine encounters due to environmental noise AND internaly generated sound /pressure waves are altered by this potential force because density changes pitch, tone and volume. The curved surfaces angle of the elastic membrane tissue changes as it is compressed and relaxed but even while still, acts as a parabolic sonic mirror to any internal vibrations, curved egg shaped parabolic surfaces being the only efficient shape to deal with pressure differentials and bouyancy requirement.
Here for the rubber sub analogy to continue we have to fill the submarine with water and lift it onto the air, let's call it "H.M.S. human body" an anti submarine, whose job is to protect the water inside being evaporated off in all directions, and the sailors called kidneys, liver, spleen from being too dry or roughly treated.
The parabolic mirror shape of the fascia and skin type outer layer of the H.M.S. human body means that any regular sonic activity inside the submarine, eg.sailor heart playing his drums, will bounce around the watery internal cavities for a long time as water conducts sound brilliantly. As the sound waves bounce off the satelite dish shaped outer shell, in certain places in the "human body" the sound waves form standing waves and nodal lines of extra volume and relative silence , especially if someone left the sound system on and it is generating feedback in very tight high pitched ultrasonic frequencies, and very low throbbing infrasonic frequencies.
Air behaves like a fluid and creates 1.03kg of force per square centimeter at sea level, the human body has on average nealry 2 square metres of skin. That is two tonnes of crushing force being generated at seal level relative to being on a planet such as Mars. If one stand inside a large enough bell jar and releases the potential energy, ie create a vaccuum the body expands as the potetial energy is released. Does that mean that through diligent practice one could gain the ability to dilate the central nervous system in it's entirety and release this potential energy in tiny, invisble ranges of movement? Hell yes! you just have to learn to NOT think for long periods of time as thinking contracts the nerves. Plus have fantastic postural alignments and superlative breathing habits.
Come on people, two tonnes of force at your fingertips!
The art is called nei kung and is popular in parts of China. I learned it from a strange and wonderful man called Bruce Frantzis who runs a company called energy arts. I am steeped in the language of physics from my family background (Father, grandfather all physicists) yet i learned these skills out of neccessity as i was disabled in my late teens. I am trying to engage with open minded people about the possibility that there is a difference between genuine fighting masters of the art trying to talk to scientists and hippies and armchair warriors mouthing off because they want to feel special. Please check out my TH-cam channel where I show these phenomena in action and let me know what you think. While breathing from your lower belly;)
There are two kinds of martial arts.. One is for entertainment and one is for selfdefense... Ive seen a lot of it... Mostly of this can be seen in sport.. As you can see there are so many rules in sport.. Not unlike in selfdefense.. visit under ground fight.. You will see no rules.... MMA is nonsense.. rules you will see the diffrent
Wow..., The facts that are lacking here... is that in any type/style of fighting, the differences are in a persons levels of experience. With that... a given person that is applying their learned skills through; practicing, sparring, and competing will continue to excel and be able to hold their own in any fight verse someone who does nothing but talk.
to say wing chun is the base of jeet kune do is wrong...
No se
Great video, thanks a lot!
23:00 to get to the goodies
Maquillaje de mary kay
No english translation
Move in and takedown , In the sparing at the end .. don’t just keep slapping each other and moving back out to create distance 🤷♂️🤷♂️
thanks eric
Wing Chun is really useful and practical after 25. I'm 28 and losing strength.
hows being 30?
Что-то не получается у них спарринг, однако))
alot of MMA fighters practice wing chun and other martial arts, are we forgetting one of the best fighters in the UFC trains with steven seagul?
ya ya ya i get it no one likes silva. internets a fun place where people can talk without thinking, but we all forget ju jitsu is something almost every mma fighter learns, kungfu is some pretty sickly serious stuff when you get down to eye strikes and throat grabbing. its hard to take serious when you cant use kungfu to its serious extent. kungfu was never designed around surviving 5 rounds of 3 mins.
its designed around 1 second of completing the kill. everyone seems to miss the art part of martial arts. or that MMA stands for mixxed martial arts. or that bruce lee, kung fu master invented the open palm boxing glove which has now evolved into the gloves we use in MMA today. the martial arts world is missing the warrior aspect, the shamanistic aspect. all i see are talented fighters being jackasse being rude, calling other styles a joke lacking consideration for his fellow man.
a few bouncers ive sent to the hospital would disagree, but that shoudlnt be my arguing evidence, or shut down people for their beliefs its not about the style its about the person. im a good fighter and some of it comes from what ive learned practicing WC. and im aware seagal doesnt practice WC , I find akido less practical than WC. im literally one of those guys who saw IP man, and became obsessed with wingchun. up until that point i was getting my ass kicked frequently in bars and couldnt throw a punch without busting a knuckle or my wrists. say what you want im living proof wingchun is an effective education for fighting
sigh, ya i gotta love my dragonball z but i have plenty of broken bones, a jaw that clicks when i yawn. alot of friends i dont talk to anymore becasue they just wont grow up and stop sellin drugs or they're dead. or in jail for stupid shit. been on the road ina metal band, metal heads love to scrap, and kids these days really like to make buying weed dangerous. the ring is a great place to put you merrit where your mouth is. bruce lee said it himself, iis not the style its the person, wingchun worked for me its not about the style that works its how the person works. i wll vouche for wingchun, am i the best fighter with zero losses, no hell no. but it works for me.
and ya im a damn good story teller after a few beers.
Cameron Connum
lol, are you for real?
seagal doesnt train wing chun he is akido and karate expert rofl... and he pays Anderson Silva money to hang around him....Hes just a hanger oner, everyone knows this except you it seems, he isn't actually teaching them anything ... i think you are an epic douche bag if you were for real.
I don't understand why everyone on here that like to bash wing chun goes to these videos is it just to be a troll or do you all just have nothing better to do than to go to specific video's just to bash them and call them useless. Just saying its very annoying
24:07 direct hit ...head shot ...lol .
nice weng tzunk, eh i mean wing tzun, eh sorry win chun, or win a zonk?W ing Tsun, wink tzun, weng chon, wig shun, wing chun, ving sun ......??
it like it Exelent. heve. good day
Pfft, Kung Fu. I use mind bullets!!!! ( >.
my favorite Kung Fu
style + tech don't always decide the fight. Ken Shamrock in his prime beat guys with pure aggression+power. J santos beat K Vasquez with a few lucky punches basically. k was better but u never no. As far as Knocking Bruce or yip. obviously bruce could fight. anybody who says different has never been in a real fight. Think he overtrained himself to death though..
Xu xiao dong is laughing watching these shit😂
Ive been boxing for 3 years now but i gotta say i truly respect the weng chun kung fu ,hell i respect all kinds of martial arts except the stupid ufc mixed martial arts shit animals in a fucking cage like a dog fight
+Salman Ali As a boxer, how are you any different from the "animals in a cage"?
Also, you do know it's not a real cage, right? The fighters are allowed to leave or give up if they want. It's not human cockfighting.
ok ok ok how would Yap Man have fared against hmm lets say Tank Abbot
How would Tank Abbot have fared lets say hmm a herd of buffaloes
Ben Pang He would have knocked them all out then drunk sixteen pints of beer.
Thensolomonsaid Probably not.
Only those who train in Kung Fu understand how advanced wing chun can be,it will improve your martials tenfold
show de bola !!
Its too funny. When Bruce founded JKD the WT Masters called him paria and banned him, and they hate him and says that JKD isnt good. After Bruce became a Superstar and JKD rules the world the WT community says "hey, look, we made the same Bruce Lee learned before create JKD!". In fact: If WT Kung Fu were good BL don't have to create JKD. He create it because he saw the tons of not usefull techniques in it.
Bruce never learned the full system in all fairness. Also, it does have the drawback of having no takedown defense. That doesn't mean it's bad, it just means that there are problems with it, same as any martial art.
@@jeremiahiwinski1401 it does have takedown defence
a lot of wing chun is diluted they have the empty cocoon but not the butterfly