It’s insane how awfully artists are treated in the vtuber community despite the vtuber community quite literally needing artists. Not to mention it’s not just vtubers treating artists like shit it’s literally other artists treating each other like shit as well like what is happening. 😭
its sadder that the tracer has genuine knowledge of colors and skill of their own (like changing hand poses or filling in the gap from jus tracing a sketch into a full rendered piece) but they choose to use their skill for chasing clout
Tracing is a very normalized and helpful thing, SO LONG AS you DONT POST that work publicly. Even some things that are too heavily referenced, are requested to be credited. Whatever you do in your personal development time is on you. Studies, references, and studying/looking for classes from the artist you like. If you suck at anatomy, use 3D models, designdoll, there's so much out there. o7
Tracing is only good for poses. and body types but not on actual art pieces from artists. even tracing someone's art in private and not posting it is wrong. So, modeling pictures are perfect for tracing and learning.
@@BobaTEA-o7r not here to argue with you, but no. In private tracing others works is inherently useful as a learning tool to understanding line weights and other such things. Again, it is in private for no profit and to learn only. Otherwise, tracing is bad. EDIT: I've been doing digital art, off and on for 15 years. There was a time when people were saying digital art was "cheating". You can also learn more than line weight and understand the flow and shape of lines, even color picking is useful for study/recreation. I cannot stress this enough, if you love art, DO WHATVER YOU CAN PRIVATELY TO TEACH YOURSELF AND LEARN. You are your own curator and driving force. Be honest, be humble and keep trying no matter where you're at skill-wise.
@@CatNapsagreed, recently I have picked up art after 12 years of not doing it, tracing in my private time is helping me learn a lot. I have no one to teach me and videos don’t really help me. So I’ve started teaching myself my own way. Tracing helps, I’m starting to be able to do stuff without it as well! I’m proud of myself.
What did they think? No one would notice? The communities foundation rides solely on unique characters and, while large, is not SO LARGE that this would fly under the radar for a significant period of time.
From being a regular in Rikku's stream, she has such an issue with people going into her streams and nabbing works in progress to trace. It sucks cause she is such an amazing artist but has to be so protective of her work.
There was a panel in the Archie Comics I remember. A kid couldn’t find his style so he copied off another student. Everyone noticed it and everyone called him a copied cat. But the teacher went by him and told him that why you do it. I couldn’t remember what it was, but the teacher told him they he need to come up with his own style and that’s what he did. Everyday we will do better and is going to be hard, but we will get better.
i don’t know if you can do this in every art program but procreate has a import hidden photo feature that someone could easily import and then draw figure shapes and things over it to make it seem like they drew it themselves
im a 14 years old artist who really is influenced by satchely's(the ddlc artist) and sayori nw's artstyle(the nekopara artist and i dont suport the game i only like the art in there) because i am in love with their artstyle and im trying to learn tehniques on how to draw like them, curently i think i have my own artstyle thats heavely inspired by those artist and tehniques i learned over time, on tik tok ive been called out multiple even people making videos of me because of how similar some parts of my art looks to the one i referenced or because it looks like ai, i once drew a ddlc inspired art because there was a trend going on in april with a made up 5th character in the ddlc community on reddit and i wanted to join but i was late, i did not expect to go that viral with that artwork, the accusations made me cry and also was really thinking of quiting art
I'm sorry they treated you like that. There are absolutely spaces where copying an artstyle is wanted. Eg. animation, or anywhere else where multiple people work one one art project. Also drawing OCs for specific shows like Sonic, Winx or Sailor Moon. And if you don't want that, there's still a lot of time for a 14yo to change and develop their own style :)
i genuinely hope they move on and becomes a better person. i wouldve supported them if they didn’t trace someone’s work and bluntly try to hide it when being called out by the other artist.
copying someone while they are drawing LIVE is absolutely insane and EVEN to have the audacity to post it is actually so insane I am flabbergasted I cannot believe what I am hearing/reading [I do believe in case that isn't clear]
at 7:48 the funny thing is you can see that yuuki is clearly copying the ears+fire from sinder + the bangs from shylily as well as the white strands from shylily just not on both sides to "not be obvious"
and even then directly tracing art without using it to study an artists way of using anatomy/breaking down how they do lineart or render or whatever isnt even gonna improve your art 😭
@@f15hed exactly, there's no point Especially if you trace from other people who have different art styles, like your gonna be even more suspicious cause of the different art styles 😭😭😭(unless you have an irregular artstyle like me)
Fyi this person can hide layers in clipstuidio paint by making them selection layers and tracing in the timelapse to make it look like they drew it from scratch and start the timelapse recording AFTER they've converted and imported the image
Tracing is COMPLETELY cool if you are learning to draw. It is an amazing way to work on your lines and get comfortable making certain movements. However, tracing something and trying to present it as your OWN. Is NOT COOL. People may offer tons of tips out there, and it's ok to listen to them, but ultimately. The best way to get good is to put in the work. So if you are at home and never plan on showing it. If it is completely just practicing to learn style and technique, trace away. Trace multiples and color them all differently and work on different techniques and then leave them right there in your notebook. Once you have gotten your skill to a sufficient level, and you have built the confidence in your strokes and steadiness. Start to build upon your skill by doing your own art. Try to recreate what you see without tracing. As you progress and get to the level you want to, start to share it with the world, make sure it is original art that you have created yourself. Listen to as many tips and tricks as you want, but don't let anyone tell you what you Can and Can Not do to learn to draw. We are all different, and we learn in different ways. -a professional tattoo artist.
Thank you for further articulating what the definition of referencing really is. Lately I’ve seen many taking techniques of referencing and tracing out of content.
Theres a difference between imitation vs inspiration. You should seek to be inspired and create something unique. Imitation is fine for practice but doesn't help develop fundamentals.
It's very unfortunate and what's worse is that DyaRikku is one of the most revered artists/riggers in the Vtubing community. She made so many great Vtuber models used by both Indie and Corpo alike! I don't know much about either girl, but Yukii is just not a very bright person, and I don't think she deserves to be called an artist.
If she’s using procreate thr is a feature that makes the image private which means it definitely could be hidden , I also agree with u , I use several artist I like and real images to make my art, I by I believe u only improve if u draw urself , not trace and again yes u can use reference but make sure! That u credit the artist ur refracting from (BUT NEVER TRY SELLING THE REF STUFF!)
To be fair, every piece someone make have already been made in past in either form of art. Games, movies, anime, manga, life itself. So by making government for artist you just ban everyone in that way. Becouse its all about what you think is best / beautifull. Which change in each time skips for as. One day you may like more realiatic thing other some Kind of 90s. So to be fair everything was already. If you check old anime/cartoons you will see Lots of this thing which they say its their idea. So ye history repeat itself all the time.
@@doctorvtuber7100 I agree but games, books and movies have their own ethics and I've totally heard of people going to jaiI for piracy. Genre, chord progression aren't owned by anyone but it becomes plagiarism if songs have the same lyrics,or elements or tune. As for AI, a singer could sue if someone makes an ai song with voices from one or many singers for profit. Impersonating a person is also a cr!me btw. Imo, art thefts and piracy should have the same repercussions.
I think if people lack a certain skill or have something that they struggle to draw sometimes they’ll trace or if they like someone else’s art or artstyle.
I don’t get why people don’t just trace a pose they create in one of those free 3D pose apps. Literally no one will yell at them if they do them. & they can still trace & not have to learn actual anatomy (if they don’t want to). Those apps are literally free! You can make almost any pose imaginable & adjust camera angle
I feel i heard of a situation like this before. It wasn't with a vtuber but still i could vaguely remember a situation where someone would start drawing somebody else's artwork while they were streaming then quickly drawing the rwst just to say the artist was tracing them. Does anyone else remember a situation like that or am i just delulu😭😭?
One of the reasons why you don't trace without disclosure is that once you get found out, all of your works, even ones that are genuinely original will be under suspicion. The amount of credibility you lose far outweigh what you gain.
It really sucks just how much tracing and copying there is in the vtuber community- like- is it so hard to just reference from multiple sources and study proportions over time? yeah, it can take a long time to get good, but it’s worth it.
I've always been okay with people using my style, it's not all that unique and I'm always changing. The only stipulation I have is no tracing. Although, I always say to use my style to draw something original, not just redraw all my designs and be a copy of me. When you have people that "reference" off you all the time, for a long period of time, that's when it becomes obsessive and kind of stalker-ish. Like this case. If you were to look at one picture, it's not such a big deal (except for the blatant tracing), but when you look at all of the little things that are happening again, and again, and again, over a long period of time......yeah that's when it's not being a fan and becomes being a fanatic.
at the very least, if your going to trace or copy for learning purposes dont post it or specifically say that you traced/ copied for the purpose of learning, dont claim it as yours, and dont sell it
Ok this is the trick most people don't know about. If they try to say "hey... i didn't trace. Look at me on stream and my timelapse in clip" 👉 Listen to me. There are softwares out there that allows you to change the opacity of windows that are open. MEANING they could literally be having the reference image in a opacity/transparent state over the window and tracing it while the stream or timelapse can't capture that other window isn't set to capture it. One is named "Ghost-it". YEAH!!! I KNOW YOUR TRICKS! People that make livery's in games like Forza use this with the Livery editor to make things like Spongebob, anime characters, or logo's to be one to one copies.
I've been watching because of some tea and i want to be more aware of what's going on on the art community and the dangerous people to aware of but i mostly watch because some of the artist who becomes victims are talented and give me more people to follow ✨
It's funny (in the twisted sense. So not funny at all 😅) that the vtubing community has people that don't respect artists. Like erm...you wouldn't be here without artists (so would many things). Every community will have it's fair share of people who don't respect artists.
Oh no, I actually comm'd Yukii recently and I like the piece but the anatomy/posing seems really off compared to her other works, I guess this makes sense why ;w;
Yeah i noticed that, i got kind of upset, i've been following dyarikku for years and she's allways been kind. But i got so upset that somebody trying to be her, look like her??🤔
i wanna add something to what you said about referencing in the beginning of the vid: i dont understand how those people use ref cuz they're clearly not doing it right. but i use single ref all the time (like especially for the pose) but the final piece is still recognizable in my own style by others? i dunno
How are people so obsessive to the point of copying. How do you live like this without thinking okay this is going too far, maybe I shouldnt use all their works-
If I'm making a VT Model I'm referencing 4 things, 1 Hand anatomy chart (because I'm not taking risks.) 1 2D/3D Model Pose, 1 Clothing ref and a ref of the VT themselves.
The selling is bad, but I feel like bringing up design elements with the vtuber model is too much. I don't think their copying means they want to be them, and even if they did, I was always told that that is having a hero when I was younger. I also missed how old this person was? This is childish, but if they are a child I would give them a bit of a break.
Omg this happens so often- I suppose it's because they get caught easier when it comes to making model and such.. but jfc I'll have to finish when I'm home since I'm going home from work rn
Hey! The piece you showed the sketch of is of my OC, I commissioned this artist before I knew about this and I wanted to update that I have alerted VGen and they are looking into it. Since she posted that timelapse, people have reached out to me left and right about how i'm supporting a stolen artist, I have not purposely supported this and did not know. I posted a tweet about it in the hopes that people would stop messaging me about it. I'm waiting on a updated on VGen.
Art has two sides. One is the creative and one is the practical side. This looks like someone who hase the practical, craftsperson side down but lacks creativity. Something I can relate to, but still no reason to steal...
It's so stupid. If they just admit to tracing, apologize and promise to do better AND follow through, they wouldn't get so much hate. It's the fact that they deny it
I'd be totally fine with it if it was a one time thing, they're different enough (except for the first one). But they keep doing it xD It's like art stalking! Also don't try to make money off of traced or heavily copied art, alright? Practice only ;)
Imo tracing isn’t always bad like if they aren’t posting it and tracing just to practice then it’s okay but if they post it and act like they didn’t do anything wrong then it’s not okay
you can look at the image and try to imitate it yourself without tracing, tracing will never make you learn and you'll forever be bad at art if you don't put in the struggle to be able to reach the result you want
If it's for yourself, you can still trace, but don't post it online. Tracing can help in your art process to learn where things are and how someone makes their own art. It shouldn't be seen as entirely bad since it can helpful for artist to learn where things are.
I'm not sure I understand Yukii's reply to the whole thing; "it is just my art style at this point". Are they implying that the design choices they've made which are similar to/the same as Rikku's have integrated into their style?
There are many characters in anime similar to Kirito that do not infringe copyright laws. If Nintendo couldn't sue Palworld, it's for a reason, so in this case, there is no copying in the avatars. As for traced drawings, yes, there's nothing to say about that. But what an annoying way to always be looking for something.
Do someone think that someone have good art and they can do good Art styles and so she probably actually did made it herself and she probably got A little learning for from the other girl. but what Do I know😅
in my own personal opinion i dont see yuki as tracing that persons artwork , dy doesnt own the pose nor the colors and as u said urself "yae miko" ears, does that imply that dy copied hoyoverse? if so shouldnt hoyoverse take legal action? pls lets use our brains , she showed proof everything was made by her and lets be fr every artist has REFRENCED off a pose wether it be pinterest or somewhere else.
If you got the time to trace and plagiarize other artists might as well just make it yourself, all this effort for what?? You're gonna get busted eventually, lol
Rikku is talented and her vtuber model is beautiful, I wanna follow her now, so at least she can move on now that people know and hopefully get new fans who wish to support the original artist like I do
LOL I CLICKED ON THIS BC IT LOOKED LIKE RIKKU AND FIRST 5 SECONDS 'DYARIKKU' HOW DO THESE PEOPLE KEEP THINKING THEY'RE GONNA GET AWAY WITH STEALING THE BIGGEST PEOPLE'S STUFF? like they're well known FOR A REASON also, rikku has amazing art and also i think they're.. italian? i followed them away before they blew up and got big cos i never got much chance to be present in their streams due to time zone differences where they'd just be starting their streams as i had to go to bed. glad to see them succeed but would've loved to have been a part of that community in growing the ears are what tipped me off to it being rikku cos i've not seen anyone else with those EXACT ears like that. idk what rikku looks now cos they keep changing themes like every few months but their original like 'glitch' theme, it's very on par with how rikku design their double sets of ears, being the lower set of them. okay so they admit to studying and drawing in rikku's style so you would think you would be hyper aware to make it look DISTINCTLY different to not be accused of stealing rikku's work? and they can't claim to be using pinterest for poses if they're posting wips days after something rikku did on stream and it's almost the exact same thing, that's a bunch of bull. did rikku say they tried to contact them and then got blocked? cos if they really wanted to clear up that they weren't copying someone and were innocent, u would think u would keep that line of communication open esp since rikku said they try to resolve things in dms without airing it out in public so it's not like rikku was going to ALSO drag it out in public and end up with people going after the copier?
"Copying is the sincerest form of flattery" im sorry but as someone who was factkinned by a psycho for 9 years and STILL ongoing from time to time, that couldn't be less true. Copying everything you do, including outfits and such, is not flattering but in fact very weird. Theres a fine line between admiring, and straight up not having a personality and stealing from them
Nahh? They trace nonstop?? These type of people will NEVER learn. Until they are caught and TONS of people tell them to stop and get called out. Its just crazy. No offense. But, its just sad. I hope they change for the better good. (AS LONG AS YOU DONT CLAIM IT AS YOUR OWN ART!!)
between all the tracing and ai news it seems like there is a lot of room for copyright infringement. Are there any artists that are taking legal action?
I have a question? I am in love with ai art but I take different types of ai art to make my own art style, does that mean that I still have to look at irl references too and not just anime ai art. The main reason why I love anime ai art is because some of ai art have some styles that I like and I want to draw just like that
I would say no, you just keep what you're doing. As you commented, you just want your art to look like anime, using irl references won't really help unless you want your art to look realistic
You CAN be inspired from AI for abstract pieces, from reality, or actual pieces the AI might've taken the ideas from, BUT DON'T TRACE OR UPLOAD THE AI ART. AI should NOT be supported in the art community, it is usually detrimental as a tool and can only be used for references at best. If you are aiming to a similar style that the "classic AI style" captures that's fine, but you'll get accused of AI a lot and it isn't a true way to learn, so I definitely would NOT recommend. I'd go on pinterest, make mood boards, look outside and touch some grass (I have been DEPRIVED of the outside :'3). Search for AI styles and professional art and speedpaints and learn some tricks, but AT LEAST have a basic grasp of the fundamentals. It's better to learn from ACTUAL ARTISTS you like and try to copy or incorporate their methods into your own art, add yourself into your style. TL;DR: AI should not be supported although some parts of AI including the style it takes can be inspired from. I would learn the basic fundamentals and take from IRL, anime artists and make mood boards, building an art style takes time though. At the end of the day, find your own by looking at artists you like and adding it to your style, no need to copy anything. Trust the journey, it never ends! Good luck ❤
you should learn to draw real people even if you copy ai gen, your art will stagnate and you'll use ai as a crutch forever, you need to learn actual anatomy and composition to grow as an artist
It’s insane how awfully artists are treated in the vtuber community despite the vtuber community quite literally needing artists. Not to mention it’s not just vtubers treating artists like shit it’s literally other artists treating each other like shit as well like what is happening. 😭
sounds very competitive.
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Funny seeing you here.. the jawarmy shall rise.
@@itzracheinot regretfully zubbed but I agree aswell
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It’s so sad because so many of these people would be so good at art if they didn’t trace
They could trace then drawing without tracing to get better at art, am i making sense
its sadder that the tracer has genuine knowledge of colors and skill of their own (like changing hand poses or filling in the gap from jus tracing a sketch into a full rendered piece) but they choose to use their skill for chasing clout
with her speedpaints tracing will make her better tbh
The vtuber art community trying not to trace other ppl's art challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
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The root started from tiktok 💀 they normalize bully so much
The art community in general try not to be pieces of 💩 challenge ( IMPOSSIBLE!!! YOU WILL FAIL!!!)
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Tracing is a very normalized and helpful thing, SO LONG AS you DONT POST that work publicly. Even some things that are too heavily referenced, are requested to be credited.
Whatever you do in your personal development time is on you. Studies, references, and studying/looking for classes from the artist you like.
If you suck at anatomy, use 3D models, designdoll, there's so much out there. o7
Tracing is only good for poses. and body types but not on actual art pieces from artists. even tracing someone's art in private and not posting it is wrong. So, modeling pictures are perfect for tracing and learning.
@@BobaTEA-o7r not here to argue with you, but no. In private tracing others works is inherently useful as a learning tool to understanding line weights and other such things.
Again, it is in private for no profit and to learn only. Otherwise, tracing is bad.
EDIT: I've been doing digital art, off and on for 15 years. There was a time when people were saying digital art was "cheating".
You can also learn more than line weight and understand the flow and shape of lines, even color picking is useful for study/recreation. I cannot stress this enough, if you love art, DO WHATVER YOU CAN PRIVATELY TO TEACH YOURSELF AND LEARN. You are your own curator and driving force. Be honest, be humble and keep trying no matter where you're at skill-wise.
@@CatNapsagreed, recently I have picked up art after 12 years of not doing it, tracing in my private time is helping me learn a lot. I have no one to teach me and videos don’t really help me. So I’ve started teaching myself my own way. Tracing helps, I’m starting to be able to do stuff without it as well! I’m proud of myself.
What did they think? No one would notice? The communities foundation rides solely on unique characters and, while large, is not SO LARGE that this would fly under the radar for a significant period of time.
From being a regular in Rikku's stream, she has such an issue with people going into her streams and nabbing works in progress to trace. It sucks cause she is such an amazing artist but has to be so protective of her work.
"I'm not tracing!" *shows speedpaint that shows everything but the sketching process*
There was a panel in the Archie Comics I remember.
A kid couldn’t find his style so he copied off another student. Everyone noticed it and everyone called him a copied cat. But the teacher went by him and told him that why you do it. I couldn’t remember what it was, but the teacher told him they he need to come up with his own style and that’s what he did. Everyday we will do better and is going to be hard, but we will get better.
i don’t know if you can do this in every art program but procreate has a import hidden photo feature that someone could easily import and then draw figure shapes and things over it to make it seem like they drew it themselves
so a timelapse could be done because the photo would be completely hidden in the timelapse
im a 14 years old artist who really is influenced by satchely's(the ddlc artist) and sayori nw's artstyle(the nekopara artist and i dont suport the game i only like the art in there) because i am in love with their artstyle and im trying to learn tehniques on how to draw like them, curently i think i have my own artstyle thats heavely inspired by those artist and tehniques i learned over time, on tik tok ive been called out multiple even people making videos of me because of how similar some parts of my art looks to the one i referenced or because it looks like ai, i once drew a ddlc inspired art because there was a trend going on in april with a made up 5th character in the ddlc community on reddit and i wanted to join but i was late, i did not expect to go that viral with that artwork, the accusations made me cry and also was really thinking of quiting art
I'm sorry they treated you like that. There are absolutely spaces where copying an artstyle is wanted. Eg. animation, or anywhere else where multiple people work one one art project. Also drawing OCs for specific shows like Sonic, Winx or Sailor Moon.
And if you don't want that, there's still a lot of time for a 14yo to change and develop their own style :)
@@Kyrmana I feel the same :( internet is the worst, people make people wanna quit without reason expect they don't like it :/
i genuinely hope they move on and becomes a better person. i wouldve supported them if they didn’t trace someone’s work and bluntly try to hide it when being called out by the other artist.
copying someone while they are drawing LIVE is absolutely insane and EVEN to have the audacity to post it is actually so insane I am flabbergasted I cannot believe what I am hearing/reading [I do believe in case that isn't clear]
at 7:48 the funny thing is you can see that yuuki is clearly copying the ears+fire from sinder + the bangs from shylily as well as the white strands from shylily just not on both sides to "not be obvious"
The only acceptable tracing is if you use it to learn how to draw stuff and don't claim it as yours, other than that, tracing is completely wrong
and even then directly tracing art without using it to study an artists way of using anatomy/breaking down how they do lineart or render or whatever isnt even gonna improve your art 😭
@@f15hed exactly, there's no point
Especially if you trace from other people who have different art styles, like your gonna be even more suspicious cause of the different art styles 😭😭😭(unless you have an irregular artstyle like me)
RAORA!
RAORA WAS MENTIONED!!!
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Fyi this person can hide layers in clipstuidio paint by making them selection layers and tracing in the timelapse to make it look like they drew it from scratch and start the timelapse recording AFTER they've converted and imported the image
On Twitter is copying/tracing art on tik tok is bullying artstyles THE ART COMUNITY CAN NOT BE A NON TOXIC COMUNITY FOR ONCE!?
Bro the vtuber community is FEEDIN the more news side of content creators
And yet they'll only focus on nijisanji
Tracing is COMPLETELY cool if you are learning to draw. It is an amazing way to work on your lines and get comfortable making certain movements. However, tracing something and trying to present it as your OWN. Is NOT COOL. People may offer tons of tips out there, and it's ok to listen to them, but ultimately. The best way to get good is to put in the work. So if you are at home and never plan on showing it. If it is completely just practicing to learn style and technique, trace away. Trace multiples and color them all differently and work on different techniques and then leave them right there in your notebook. Once you have gotten your skill to a sufficient level, and you have built the confidence in your strokes and steadiness. Start to build upon your skill by doing your own art. Try to recreate what you see without tracing. As you progress and get to the level you want to, start to share it with the world, make sure it is original art that you have created yourself. Listen to as many tips and tricks as you want, but don't let anyone tell you what you Can and Can Not do to learn to draw. We are all different, and we learn in different ways. -a professional tattoo artist.
Thank you for further articulating what the definition of referencing really is. Lately I’ve seen many taking techniques of referencing and tracing out of content.
Theres a difference between imitation vs inspiration. You should seek to be inspired and create something unique. Imitation is fine for practice but doesn't help develop fundamentals.
It's very unfortunate and what's worse is that DyaRikku is one of the most revered artists/riggers in the Vtubing community. She made so many great Vtuber models used by both Indie and Corpo alike!
I don't know much about either girl, but Yukii is just not a very bright person, and I don't think she deserves to be called an artist.
If she’s using procreate thr is a feature that makes the image private which means it definitely could be hidden , I also agree with u , I use several artist I like and real images to make my art, I by I believe u only improve if u draw urself , not trace and again yes u can use reference but make sure! That u credit the artist ur refracting from (BUT NEVER TRY SELLING THE REF STUFF!)
At this point, there should be a federal govt for artists to protect artist and their works. Artists can't catch a break from these people.
To be fair, every piece someone make have already been made in past in either form of art. Games, movies, anime, manga, life itself. So by making government for artist you just ban everyone in that way. Becouse its all about what you think is best / beautifull. Which change in each time skips for as. One day you may like more realiatic thing other some Kind of 90s. So to be fair everything was already. If you check old anime/cartoons you will see Lots of this thing which they say its their idea. So ye history repeat itself all the time.
@@doctorvtuber7100 ok but that's not tracing lol, specifically tracing should come under copyright infringement
@@doctorvtuber7100 I agree but games, books and movies have their own ethics and I've totally heard of people going to jaiI for piracy. Genre, chord progression aren't owned by anyone but it becomes plagiarism if songs have the same lyrics,or elements or tune. As for AI, a singer could sue if someone makes an ai song with voices from one or many singers for profit. Impersonating a person is also a cr!me btw. Imo, art thefts and piracy should have the same repercussions.
I don't get why people trace
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they want praise without putting the effort in 😞😞
I think if people lack a certain skill or have something that they struggle to draw sometimes they’ll trace or if they like someone else’s art or artstyle.
I don’t get why people don’t just trace a pose they create in one of those free 3D pose apps. Literally no one will yell at them if they do them. & they can still trace & not have to learn actual anatomy (if they don’t want to). Those apps are literally free! You can make almost any pose imaginable & adjust camera angle
They forgot about coloring books.
i could care less about vtubers but man there’s so much drama. good time listening to it as background noise
I feel i heard of a situation like this before. It wasn't with a vtuber but still i could vaguely remember a situation where someone would start drawing somebody else's artwork while they were streaming then quickly drawing the rwst just to say the artist was tracing them. Does anyone else remember a situation like that or am i just delulu😭😭?
No, I think i remember the same thing... It's been too long to remember the details tho
One of the reasons why you don't trace without disclosure is that once you get found out, all of your works, even ones that are genuinely original will be under suspicion. The amount of credibility you lose far outweigh what you gain.
It really sucks just how much tracing and copying there is in the vtuber community- like- is it so hard to just reference from multiple sources and study proportions over time? yeah, it can take a long time to get good, but it’s worth it.
I've always been okay with people using my style, it's not all that unique and I'm always changing. The only stipulation I have is no tracing. Although, I always say to use my style to draw something original, not just redraw all my designs and be a copy of me. When you have people that "reference" off you all the time, for a long period of time, that's when it becomes obsessive and kind of stalker-ish. Like this case. If you were to look at one picture, it's not such a big deal (except for the blatant tracing), but when you look at all of the little things that are happening again, and again, and again, over a long period of time......yeah that's when it's not being a fan and becomes being a fanatic.
Reminder: It is ok to trace for study purposes and when using 3d models that is made for assisting artists.
I'm so surprised that the tracer is doubling down even when confronted. Some people, man...
Imagine you made a drawing and someone traced it. Same design but with different colors and features. crazy...😦
I'm literally afraid to start posting art again between this kind of drama and AI (I haven't posted since I was a teen).
at the very least, if your going to trace or copy for learning purposes dont post it or specifically say that you traced/ copied for the purpose of learning, dont claim it as yours, and dont sell it
Ok this is the trick most people don't know about. If they try to say "hey... i didn't trace. Look at me on stream and my timelapse in clip"
👉 Listen to me. There are softwares out there that allows you to change the opacity of windows that are open. MEANING they could literally be having the reference image in a opacity/transparent state over the window and tracing it while the stream or timelapse can't capture that other window isn't set to capture it. One is named "Ghost-it".
YEAH!!! I KNOW YOUR TRICKS! People that make livery's in games like Forza use this with the Livery editor to make things like Spongebob, anime characters, or logo's to be one to one copies.
Vtubers be like:
Making original art and vtuber models: *Mission impossible*
Brainless tracing and stealing someone's property: *Mission but possible*
tracers be going nuts
Yukii, riko, Yukki, riko, say it a few times and you’ll start getting confused which one is which 😂
I've been watching because of some tea and i want to be more aware of what's going on on the art community and the dangerous people to aware of but i mostly watch because some of the artist who becomes victims are talented and give me more people to follow ✨
Omg thats crazy they’re called yukii arts because i caught a tracer called yuxi ha ha
It's funny (in the twisted sense. So not funny at all 😅) that the vtubing community has people that don't respect artists. Like erm...you wouldn't be here without artists (so would many things).
Every community will have it's fair share of people who don't respect artists.
Oh no, I actually comm'd Yukii recently and I like the piece but the anatomy/posing seems really off compared to her other works, I guess this makes sense why ;w;
Oooh this is the earliest I’ve ever seen a vid , yay
Yeah i noticed that, i got kind of upset, i've been following dyarikku for years and she's allways been kind. But i got so upset that somebody trying to be her, look like her??🤔
Love this channel, keep speaking the truth and standing up for the starving artists!
i wanna add something to what you said about referencing in the beginning of the vid: i dont understand how those people use ref cuz they're clearly not doing it right. but i use single ref all the time (like especially for the pose) but the final piece is still recognizable in my own style by others? i dunno
Aa here it is. Was waiting for the video to come out XD
How are people so obsessive to the point of copying. How do you live like this without thinking okay this is going too far, maybe I shouldnt use all their works-
i finally know what the difference between reference and tracing.
i feel like every week there’s a new artist that either relies on AI, or traced
If I'm making a VT Model I'm referencing 4 things, 1 Hand anatomy chart (because I'm not taking risks.) 1 2D/3D Model Pose, 1 Clothing ref and a ref of the VT themselves.
Honestly, so rude to steal something. Atleast give Credit.
The selling is bad, but I feel like bringing up design elements with the vtuber model is too much.
I don't think their copying means they want to be them, and even if they did, I was always told that that is having a hero when I was younger.
I also missed how old this person was? This is childish, but if they are a child I would give them a bit of a break.
Omg this happens so often- I suppose it's because they get caught easier when it comes to making model and such.. but jfc
I'll have to finish when I'm home since I'm going home from work rn
Nah at the start shes is like pinky- 0:09
what
I’m not the only one omg 😭
Hey! The piece you showed the sketch of is of my OC, I commissioned this artist before I knew about this and I wanted to update that I have alerted VGen and they are looking into it. Since she posted that timelapse, people have reached out to me left and right about how i'm supporting a stolen artist, I have not purposely supported this and did not know. I posted a tweet about it in the hopes that people would stop messaging me about it. I'm waiting on a updated on VGen.
The shylily thing is a reach BUT only if thats the only one that looked similar..theres so much they took from rikku that its not a reach to me
I freaking love vtuber drama😂
Art has two sides. One is the creative and one is the practical side. This looks like someone who hase the practical, craftsperson side down but lacks creativity. Something I can relate to, but still no reason to steal...
It's so stupid. If they just admit to tracing, apologize and promise to do better AND follow through, they wouldn't get so much hate. It's the fact that they deny it
I'd be totally fine with it if it was a one time thing, they're different enough (except for the first one). But they keep doing it xD It's like art stalking!
Also don't try to make money off of traced or heavily copied art, alright? Practice only ;)
Imo tracing isn’t always bad like if they aren’t posting it and tracing just to practice then it’s okay but if they post it and act like they didn’t do anything wrong then it’s not okay
How do you have a video up every single day? Is there just that much drama that can happen in one day for you to make videos about?
There’s always some kind of drama in the art community. Especially on Twitter, since it has everything
Ok but what if I want the pose and the anime style in my oc is it still bad
you can look at the image and try to imitate it yourself without tracing, tracing will never make you learn and you'll forever be bad at art if you don't put in the struggle to be able to reach the result you want
If it's for yourself, you can still trace, but don't post it online.
Tracing can help in your art process to learn where things are and how someone makes their own art. It shouldn't be seen as entirely bad since it can helpful for artist to learn where things are.
smh reminds me of mudpines it's like almost 1:1 of that situation..
I'm not sure I understand Yukii's reply to the whole thing; "it is just my art style at this point". Are they implying that the design choices they've made which are similar to/the same as Rikku's have integrated into their style?
There are many characters in anime similar to Kirito that do not infringe copyright laws. If Nintendo couldn't sue Palworld, it's for a reason, so in this case, there is no copying in the avatars. As for traced drawings, yes, there's nothing to say about that. But what an annoying way to always be looking for something.
I always watch these when I draw btw you’re amazing and I love your videos every time you post i am always happy!
i really dislike tracers..
Wait a minute this isn't an overwatch video
Do someone think that someone have good art and they can do good
Art styles and so she probably actually did made it herself and she probably got A little learning for from the other girl. but what Do I know😅
Hiii! ❤ notifs on 🤭😼
Ok I know tracing is wrong it just shows that said tracer has no real artistic talent and can not create there own ideas
in my own personal opinion i dont see yuki as tracing that persons artwork , dy doesnt own the pose nor the colors and as u said urself "yae miko" ears, does that imply that dy copied hoyoverse? if so shouldnt hoyoverse take legal action? pls lets use our brains , she showed proof everything was made by her and lets be fr every artist has REFRENCED off a pose wether it be pinterest or somewhere else.
damn
If you got the time to trace and plagiarize other artists might as well just make it yourself, all this effort for what?? You're gonna get busted eventually, lol
Me drawing long necks lol
So 22 is dya nanoless (did sinders model) cross then goes straight up to dya?
Rikku is talented and her vtuber model is beautiful, I wanna follow her now, so at least she can move on now that people know and hopefully get new fans who wish to support the original artist like I do
I like the letter e
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LOL I CLICKED ON THIS BC IT LOOKED LIKE RIKKU AND FIRST 5 SECONDS 'DYARIKKU' HOW DO THESE PEOPLE KEEP THINKING THEY'RE GONNA GET AWAY WITH STEALING THE BIGGEST PEOPLE'S STUFF? like they're well known FOR A REASON
also, rikku has amazing art and also i think they're.. italian? i followed them away before they blew up and got big cos i never got much chance to be present in their streams due to time zone differences where they'd just be starting their streams as i had to go to bed. glad to see them succeed but would've loved to have been a part of that community in growing
the ears are what tipped me off to it being rikku cos i've not seen anyone else with those EXACT ears like that. idk what rikku looks now cos they keep changing themes like every few months but their original like 'glitch' theme, it's very on par with how rikku design their double sets of ears, being the lower set of them.
okay so they admit to studying and drawing in rikku's style so you would think you would be hyper aware to make it look DISTINCTLY different to not be accused of stealing rikku's work? and they can't claim to be using pinterest for poses if they're posting wips days after something rikku did on stream and it's almost the exact same thing, that's a bunch of bull.
did rikku say they tried to contact them and then got blocked? cos if they really wanted to clear up that they weren't copying someone and were innocent, u would think u would keep that line of communication open esp since rikku said they try to resolve things in dms without airing it out in public so it's not like rikku was going to ALSO drag it out in public and end up with people going after the copier?
😭😭🙏 Why can't vtubers stop tracing each other
Again😢😢😢
Tracers piss me off so much, there's someone tracing in murder drones fandom and it makes me so damn angry
Will you make a vid about Genshin's drama about colourism?
that is such a strange thing to ask her of all people to cover considering what she usually covers
It’s literally like she’s copping off of someone’s homework😭
Smh
"Copying is the sincerest form of flattery" im sorry but as someone who was factkinned by a psycho for 9 years and STILL ongoing from time to time, that couldn't be less true. Copying everything you do, including outfits and such, is not flattering but in fact very weird. Theres a fine line between admiring, and straight up not having a personality and stealing from them
Noooo not DayRikku being traced too. Their artwork is so good I love watching them on Twitch. This is so sad 😞
Lol couldn't even spell their name right
why do they dont try to MODIFY not just only trace -_- just tired about see this kind of news again and again
Bro I found this guy that I think creates and sells Ai art that's crazy I saw a post on Facebook about him. He goes by Joel Abraham.
tell me 2020-2021 wasnt the peak of Vtubers shit went downhill after that and we are hear now.
I feel like this one is a bit push...
They just doing it for the attention obviously
Nahh? They trace nonstop?? These type of people will NEVER learn.
Until they are caught and TONS of people tell them to stop and get called out. Its just crazy.
No offense. But, its just sad.
I hope they change for the better good.
(AS LONG AS YOU DONT CLAIM IT AS YOUR OWN ART!!)
43 minutes ago wow
between all the tracing and ai news it seems like there is a lot of room for copyright infringement. Are there any artists that are taking legal action?
That's not just tracing it's also stealing
I have a question? I am in love with ai art but I take different types of ai art to make my own art style, does that mean that I still have to look at irl references too and not just anime ai art.
The main reason why I love anime ai art is because some of ai art have some styles that I like and I want to draw just like that
I would say no, you just keep what you're doing. As you commented, you just want your art to look like anime, using irl references won't really help unless you want your art to look realistic
You CAN be inspired from AI for abstract pieces, from reality, or actual pieces the AI might've taken the ideas from, BUT DON'T TRACE OR UPLOAD THE AI ART. AI should NOT be supported in the art community, it is usually detrimental as a tool and can only be used for references at best.
If you are aiming to a similar style that the "classic AI style" captures that's fine, but you'll get accused of AI a lot and it isn't a true way to learn, so I definitely would NOT recommend.
I'd go on pinterest, make mood boards, look outside and touch some grass (I have been DEPRIVED of the outside :'3). Search for AI styles and professional art and speedpaints and learn some tricks, but AT LEAST have a basic grasp of the fundamentals. It's better to learn from ACTUAL ARTISTS you like and try to copy or incorporate their methods into your own art, add yourself into your style.
TL;DR: AI should not be supported although some parts of AI including the style it takes can be inspired from. I would learn the basic fundamentals and take from IRL, anime artists and make mood boards, building an art style takes time though. At the end of the day, find your own by looking at artists you like and adding it to your style, no need to copy anything. Trust the journey, it never ends!
Good luck ❤
OK, thanks for the advice
you should learn to draw real people even if you copy ai gen, your art will stagnate and you'll use ai as a crutch forever, you need to learn actual anatomy and composition to grow as an artist