DID IT SUCK? Doctor Who [LEGEND OF THE SEA DEVILS REVIEW]
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A new episode of Doctor Who came out it had sea devils in and it was terrible no big surprise
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No!
No thank you
Here's the answer to the question in the title - yes
"I think you're one of the greatest people I've ever known" what an insult to prior companions who were actually fleshed out characters.
Yep.
Wish they would stop doing that, especially when it comes to do nothing Yaz
Jack, Donna, Sarah, K9, Clara, Rose, Ace, Romana, The Ponds, River etc.
All of them just shoved under the rug for a person with no persoanlity, freaking Kamelion was a better companion then Yaz
@@cameroncuss3920 I put even Donna's grandpa in this list.
@@_rissi I totally agree
is it strange that i no longer enjoy the series but im still addicted to this channel XD.
There's just something enjoyable about seeing it being ripped apart.
I haven’t watched who for years now, thoroughly enjoy the show being ripped to pieces
Who actually enjoys the show anymore?
yes?
I find I'm like a kid who's found roadkill. I go back to Who every so often to see how badly it has rotted since last time I saw it.
This episode was the point where my last shreds of patience for this era finally snapped. I've kept giving it chances, kept allowing it to win me over, and every time I do I keep getting burned, and I'm just fed up. The same issues keep coming up over and over again, there's been absolutely no progress with regard to character development, there's no depth or interesting themes, and we have those exact same problems show up once again here in an episode that is so bad you have to wonder how anyone involved in the production thought this was in any way good enough to be shown on prime time BBC television. For the first time ever since I started watching this show, I'm actually begging for an era of this show to come to an end as quickly as possible, and I'm super glad we've only got one episode left. It's the end, and whether the moment has been prepared for or not, it cannot come soon enough
Mine broke in Jodie's second series opener lol, but I went into this one with an open mind. What did I expect other than just sheer incompetence.
I mean, Flux ended and we had 3 episodes left. Character development is either too ridiculous, or just won't happen. And this relationship between Yaz and The Doctor being shoehorned in... I originally stopped watching after the Orphan 55 episode, then I watched through the whole of New Who with a friend (and made him a fan), then we watched through these series and are going to finish watching the last special when it airs. I just made fun of this episode over and over during the viewing and that was the only fun that could be had watching it.
Btw, we watched Whittaker/Chibnall's run because we were going through all of New Who (I knew it was garbage, and it still is), and I'm typically fairly lenient on a lot of stuff, and my friends are too, but even we would have fun saying "OMG new episode out! We gotta watch it!" as our 'new fan' friend groaned at the thought (don't be confused, we all dislike it overall, it's just funny to us to pretend to be excited to watch trash). So, at this point in time, we're going to watch the last special regardless, but I know it'll be a nothing episode that doesn't do anything groundbreaking, except get me excited for The Doctor FINALLY regenerating!
The words of someone who clearly never watched Series 12 or Flux, which were among Doctor Who's greatest all tome series IMO.
@@CineScarborough Is this a joke? They were an incoherent mess.
@@normietwiceremoved Why would it be? Series 12 and Flux were incredible runs for the show, which gave us some of the revival's strongest episodes. The Haunting Of Villa Diodati and Village Of the Angels in particular are absolute classics of the new series.
I just absolutely love that Dan the man slaughters like 6 sea devils in 1 swing. And doc is fine with it. But as soon as plot convenience pirate guy (forgot his name) kills one sea devil. It's a big deal 😂😂
not to mention that the doctor committed genocide on the Daleks, Cybermen, and Sontarans mere episodes ago without remorse
3:01 this actually goes deeper than you think as Sea Devils being Silurians underwater is a point made in the classic series as Sea Devils are actually relatives of the Silurians
Yeah that's why they team up in the worst episode of doctor who
@@britishnerd3919 wait, I don't remember them showing up in the timeless child?
@@jakobbateman7717 nah, when an episode is pointed by the bbc as the reason the show is cancelled, that's the worst episode
@@britishnerd3919 Warriors of the Deep is arguably not the worst ever story
@@britishnerd3919 possibly.... Until Chibnall took over
Additionally, I feel a need to express my frustration over the Yaz character....
She was the least interesting character when Jodie's run started, they've made little to no effort to actually give her a reason to be there other than being a cast member on the show, and i can't stress this enough, having her fall in love with the Doctor is not an arc. There is exactly zero build up to it outside of possible nonsense in Flux I've not bothered to watch, and unless they started giving her a personality outside of whatever the script needs her to be, it literally means nothing. The entire first RTD run was based around characters falling in love with the Doctor or wanting to run with him eternally, but the characters were given time to actually mature and develop and give us a reason to care. Chibnall has provided an interesting possibility of development for 2 characters who are no longer even on the show, and they weren't even written well when they were there.
Yaz is literally just there, and now has the distinction of being the companion that has stuck around longer than any other revival companions out of sheer lack of things to do with her. Think about that: 3 seasons, and I still don't know what makes this character tick. She started out wanting to be a better cop, and that got mentioned maybe three times over her entire run. She just randomly knows how to work things she should know nothing about and will occasionally spout Doctor nonsense because apparently writing is hard. And the worst trope of all, everyone just seems to love telling her how great she is when she's done nothing to earn it!!! That's not an arc, that just bad, lazy writing. Donna Noble was great because we saw a self centered, shallow woman transform into a companion with compassion, heart, and genuine love for other people. Martha Jones was swept off her feet by a stranger she fell in love with, and learned to stand on her own 2 feet without him because her didn't return those feelings and she needed to move on with her life. I can go on with every other revival companion up until Chibnall started and show your where growth and development took place.
No one has developed over Chibnall's run, so any decision to create a character change feels out of place because it seems to come out of nowhere and lead to nothing. Expository planks of wood aren't people. And Yaz isn't remarkable, great, fantastic, terrific, or even remotely interesting.
Edit: Yaz has been with the 13th Doctor for the whole run, but because the seasons were so short, Clara Oswald is actually still the longest serving companion in the revival era, as her 21/2 seasons run around 36 episodes to Yaz's 31.
couldnt have said it better myself
While Clara may be the longest standing nuwho companion she is the only companion to stay with the doctor from the start of their run and is there the entire time. Rose doesn't count with eccelston because she continued on with tennant and is considered Tennant's companion just as much as eccelston
@@Mrcool210 This is somehow true. The bond between 13 and Yaz in 31 episodes is probably even less so than 10's with the girl from the Christmas Titanic episode. Just as an example. Every companion has an arc and is most importantly a personality. They always meld with the Doctor very well in their own ways. Yaz is simply there. She is as if someone wrote a list of good character traits down but then forgot to put them to film so instead we are just told how good she is. I genuinely can't remember a single good individual moment from her.
Lynda with a Y does more in her half an episode back in season 1.
Plus, she’s sweet
That one guy was smiling and laughing like an idiot throughout almost the entire episode. Only took him about 15 minutes to get over the fact that HIS FATHER WAS JUST MURDERED IN FRONT OF HIM!
Did it suck? It's hard to put into words all the anger, frustration and sorrow this era has brought me, week after week and so it will suffice to say, yes. It did suck. Enormously.
I don't feel anything anymore, I'm just waiting RTD comes and infuse some life into my corpse
Yeah it was shite
@@pedroxquiunlucky RTD new series is just as bad
The funny thing is: they did the whole "TARDIS underwater with its doors open" thing in the Capaldi era if I remember correctly. So it's really not as special as they make it out to be.
Still, it was a fun moment that reminded me for a second about older seasons; how much the Doctor loves the planet and that we all get to see the wonders of the universe. There is something special about opening up the TARDIS doors and see something completely out of the ordinary and wonderful. So that was a nice moment, even if done before.
This episode is amazing!
For the fact that it made Warriors of the Deep, no longer the worst Sea Devil episode!!!
Truly an amazing feat!!
You beat me to it, dude! 😃
I'm not sure what went wrong, but, boy was this ever awful. A total waste of time, money and effort. It's no wonder that LOTSD has one of the lowest viewing figures, in the history of the show. Everyone involved should crawl away and hide under a rock.
Still, I'm looking forward to seeing Ace, Tegan, and Kate Stewart, again.
Let's hope that RTD and Ncuti Gatwa can rescue this embarrassing charade. It's gone on for far too long. Chibnall should be ashamed of himself.
I think 90% of us were only excited for this episode to see the next time trailer and to be one more episode away from being free from this pain.
I stopped watching this series after watching the Timeless Children. The sheer wrongheadedness and stupidity of the decisions made in that episode and the subsequent revelations from Chibs himself that he had no real plan for the series only reinforces that decision.
Nothing that has followed has given me reason to go back, judging from both the panned responses and still declining viewership. There's nothing here to care about, and after one last episode I hopefully won't have to think about it again.
After watching flux I wish I had stopped watching then too!
I stopped watching after her third episode. I was hoping it would be good but, the writing was on the wall (and, not on paper like it should have been) that they cared more about brownie points rather than telling a great story.
Why don't you try my Doctor Who, replace Chibnall's trash efforts with mine!
Harry really needs to watch the original sea devils. It has one of the most enjoyable wacky scenes in all of Who where the Doctor and the Master fight each other in a sword duel.
Hell yes! The Seadevils is a cracking story
@@vikingofvegas First full story I saw. Instantly hooked.
Can't believe it was almost half a century ago.
That Fight scene shows Pertwee and Delgado had really great Chemistry together!!!
The Sea Devils were dealt the same way as any villain is in the Chibnall era - a random character kills them off to take the ethical burden away from the Doctor - even though the Sea Devils were nearly the victim of a genocide.
You forgot the bit where Pirate Lady “navigates by the stars” by looking into a sunset to find the North Star!
"You didn't have to kill him"
Says the woman who wiped out about a billion Daleks & Cybermen! 🙄
Also love the way you used the SpongeBob music! 🤣
The Sea Devil missed a trick. He should have said: "Neither did we need him alive".
Not to mention locking up giant spiders to allow them suffocate and/or starve to death. Spiders also resort to cannibalism so they'll end up being killed.
She also allowed tooth man to be locked in artificial suspension forever and ever while conscious, and ensuring the Master could put into a nazi concentration camp for having brown skin.
She's like, the most immoral, heinous, evil Doctor ever. She makes Sixie's shooting of the Cybercontroller and Sevenths obliteration of Skaro look like the act of a peacenik. She's the Valeyard, the doctor who went wrong.
I haven't actually watched this episode so maybe it's explained, but that part about the poles switching being super bad really confused me. The Earth's poles flip about every 200,000 years on their own. It's really not that big of a deal. You certainly wouldn't feel it. Probably the only creatures who would notice would be birds.
I know. Sure, we'd need to spend a crap ton of money replacing every compass and navigation system, there would also be emigration issues with birds (but of course, that has happened before and it sorted itself out). But catastrophic. No. That while premise really confused me. Its hardly like that computer 'problem' they thought was going to grind the world to a hault in 99 but turned out was going to be fine. That would have been devastating
As far as I could tell, it was going to be devastating because the writer thought-
Erm, no, it was because the writer _didn't_ think.
This was the first chibnall episode I just turned off halfway through. Me and my dad just couldn’t take it anymore. This episode in particular is not just badly written but so sloppy in its pacing and editing. It’s unwatchable. So ready for this era to be over
I really wanted to like this episode and I like Yaz a lot, but when The Doctor said she preferred Yaz "even to my wife", I was like. That's out of order, that is. Huge burn on River Song out of nowhere.
Rose Tyler, Martha Jones, Amy Pond, River Song and Clara Oswald all flirted with the Doctor and yet they all seem to be dead to the Thirteenth Doctor
I still haven't watched this episode, I genuinely forgot it was on, but by the time I knew about it I was already seeing people saying how bad it was. I just want this era of the show to be over, and I am worried Chibs is going to ruin Tegan and Ace as a parting gift to us.
The more I watch the recent Dr who episodes, the more the dialogue, setting and story fall apart, the more I watch the more I notice, It's kind of like looking up at the stars in a way and that's kind of amazing, well done chibnall, you have created something with more problems than there are stars in the sky
Drama school has a LOT to answer for!
It's like a village-hall performance with an insanely huge budget.
Agreed about the village-hall bit, although I wouldn't knock drama schools as such. Apart from McCoy and Capaldi, every actor who's played the Doctor went to a reputable drama school or (in Smith's case) studied drama at university.
this episode was so dreadful. you can complain about the bad plot and dialogue in other episodes but... this episode. it's an absolute failure on even a technical level. They genuinely sped thru a 2-parters worth of scenes by having half of the action take place off screen, and numerous bouts of what can you can only describe as teleportation between shots. I had a headache watching this episode. I genuinely think THIS is the worst episode of the era.
of New Who tbh
Honestly Russell Returning next year makes me more and more excited By the second, if there’s one man who can fix the dumpster fire that chibnall leaves behind it’s him.
Edit: The new casting announcement is just making me more excited. This show is actually gonna be great again
No, it's a lazy marketing scheme
🤣 You're commentary on the episode was infinitely more entertaining than the episode itself 👍
This episode made more sense when I was drunk than when I rewatched it sober 🤣
I actually messaged a friend and said 'I was sober when I watched it and it made no sense'... maybe a drunken re-watch will make it better?
Dan just casually killing a load of Sea Devils like its nothing. At least in the Moffast/Smith story the doctor saw the Sylorians claim to earth 😅
Tbh Ive gone from disliking the current series to just not caring less about it as I count down until RTD takes over
How can a creator screw up this bad and simultaneously be so much in denial about it.
Well the Doctor is a woman now, so obviously everything about the show is fantastic 🤣
@@JeffJolly1 Even when the show farts, it smells like lavender.
@@TheGoddon 😂
I found it interesting how everyone only wanted to talk about the teaser trailer. It was the same with flux, people far more interested in what they might see than what they had seen.
It took them way too long to figure out the lost ship and the flying ship were one on the same. It had to be said to them before they figured it out.
Once they saw the ship taken over and discovering it hadn't sank they should have put 2 and 2 together.
Sea devils and Silurians are related
Modern silurians are actually a different relatives of the silurians from the ones from the classic series which is why they are different looking
Also obvious plot twist hinted at before series 13 even came out, Dan may be more than what he is shown to be 😉
It truly is such a shame the writing and production has tarnished Jodie's time as the doctor, not only because she's a great actor but because she's the first female Doctor. They finally made the Doctor a woman and THIS is it's legacy, it's like it was done on purpose to implant the idea that the Doctor should always be male: "This is what happened last time we went with a woman, you want that to happen again?"
You have forgotten Joanna Lumley then.
She not a great actor, average at best!
Doctor: "I think you're one of the greatest people I've ever known"
Cardboard cutout: ....
10:44 This had me in stitches
Flux was the first series, including this episode, that I haven’t even given a shot because I’ve completely lost faith in this show as good let alone entertaining. However, what IS good and entertaining is this series. Thank you Harry, for making me continue to enjoy this show in the weirdest form ever, even while the show sucks ass
It's a shame, because Flux had so much potential! There were some truly iconic moments, but also two villains who could totally end the Doctor in half a second just bumbling about not doing much, a finale with more loose ends than a tassel shop, a deus ex machina solution, and a dozen dangling questions that still haven't been addressed.
They had the chance to drown Yaz and whoever Whittaker plays. Talk about a missed opportunity.
I'm actually surprised that it even got a 1 from you. This era has been something I wouldn't give to a dog to eat, a cat to poop on, or my worst enemy to watch. I'm not expecting the RTD2 era to be a total course correction, but it will be better than whatever Chibs and Whits have crapped out.
I don't even have to use the controversial changes in canon to explain why Chibnal's era sucks.
It's the pacing/music/lighting/dialogue/acting
Watching From 9:00 To 10:25
Considerign The Event That Happened Was 2 Years Later And Both Her Children Are 2 Years Older, Im Guessing that That This Episode Was Meant To be In 1809 And Not 1807
You should watch the classic sea devils story, Jon pertwee is great, and you should watch other classic episodes
Wasn't expecting a Breaking Bad reference, but I approve.
I just saw this episode as another flagrant disregard for storytelling, disrespect for the actors, and a disdain for the audience. Chibnall has so much to wrap up before the end of his era, and he now has ONE special left to do that in. As we saw from Flux's bloated finale, he struggles to tie up too many loose ends deftly. Plus, as someone else pointed out, the same problems just kept popping up. I want this whole era to be over and behind us ASAP, and for Jodie to come back in a future special under a different showrunner's tenure.
The editing was SUPER WEIRD in this episode and other people noticed too. I felt like I was being constantly gaslit by the visuals or something. I rarely have experienced super weird editing like that of which in this episode.
Just one more episode with Jodie and hopefully she'll be gone. I just feel she has no empathy for the character of The Doctor whatsoever and was woefully miscast for the role.
Just go and watch the original Sea Devils story with the Pertwee's third Doctor, Jo Grant and the wonderful Roger Delgado as The Master to see how it should be done.
The things I hate most about Jody whiterker is that she can’t even have her own iconic catch phrases it’s like really you guys seriously can’t think of something new to let her say ?
My biggest question in this all era is, why is yaz so fantastic
Watched the episode on air date with family and had to keep asking them if I've fallen asleep and missed things because the episode was so disjointed.
that Mr Benn reference caught me so off guard my god, I nearly choked on my frosties
One really needs to have seen the original Sea Devils story to appreciate how ill-served they were here; their physical appearance was great, that's where it ends. Why bother with swords and close-quarter combat when, tens of millions of years ago, Sea Devil science had already developed efficient rayguns which could kill at a distance? And all that woo-woo with Super Mario leaps, phantom ships etc was totally at odds with their very believable terrestrial (albeit amphibious) roots. Instead, we got generic sci-fi "monsters" with the almost magical powers of Marvel supervillains. It all made a nonsense of Malcolm Hulke's thoughtful original conception, and they rubbed salt into the wound by getting his name wrong in the credits.
After watching this episode, it makes those rumours about 10 minutes being edited out actually being true.
Can’t believe the Sea Devils at 16:13 didn’t learn the flying skill from the first one
Chibnall-era Doctor Who logic: "Here's this legendary Chinese pirate. Let's throw aside her fame and legacy and focus on her being a mom. That's what only matters, right?"
Great video. Only thing that bugged me was the fact that sea devils are actually Silurians that adapted to the sea rather than land, or something like that. I haven’t seen classic who but I’ve definitely heard that somewhere.
how did madam ching get to her ship, which was parked in the middle of the ocean, did she swim too?
did it suck?!?... do bears sh*t in the woods?
I haven't got a clue why Chibnall writes dialogue as if the script is gonna be turned into a BigFinish audio
chibnall really does overuse the sonic she can basically do anything with it
untie a rope - sonic
make enemies drop there swords - sonic
walk round in an empty room - sonic
she could probably use it on wood now
Harry's feeling generous.
Where did the 1 come from? Not 0?
I heard some good potential about this before it came out
I didn't even know it would be THIS BAD!
Oh, this is terrible!
The original sea devils story is brilliant
Wow, you can really hear the standing up in his voice!
I'm so glad this era is almost gone man.
I genuinely think a problem with the newer episode is they couldn't get the "fam" to work as a group of companions but by then contracts were signed. In a lot of cases you could switch all their lines. It's a shame, I really wanted this to be good.
So on the community post about this coming out, I asked for rating predictions. I can now reveal, out of 6 who predicted... 3, including myself, predicted correctly! Congrats! Onto the last one pain filled story, when it releases...
I was one of the 3 who predicted correctly.
@@marshallhuffer4713 This is gonna be a fun thing to do, I was interested to see if other people predicted before hand and I'm glad that I'm not the only one
also can I just say that the part about the poles switching confused me so much... because it's happened before in real life. it's a natural process that happens every 200,000-300,000 years and it's not catastrophic in the slightest. you can find this out with a 5 second google search
I'd give this episode a 'meh' out of ten.
How can you not talk about the "date" comment when Thasmin were underwater? I was really really looking forward to that.
Interestingly enough, the early Silurian and Sea Devil episodes had deeper emotional conflicts, the Dr wanted the species to co-exist with humanity and only really destroyed them as a last option
I admittedly quite like Planet of the Dead, I prefer it to The Waters of Mars.
I gotta ask though, how didn't you know that the Sea Devils were underwater relatives to the Silurians? I've never seen their Classic Era episodes either, but that's basically the only thing notable about them compared to the normal Silurians. It's their defining trait.
Story : I think you're the one of the greatest people I've ever known Yas
Viewer : Can i ask why that is? I've seen scant evidence throughout the narrative in all three series to suggest such a thing.
Story : She's amazing BECAUSE I BLOODY WELL SAID SO, ALRIGHT!
Viewer : OK cool, whatever I suppose...
I thought that 1 /10 was over generous.
Great summing up of this episode. Makes my teeth itch even more when I see Jodie snarling away and waggling her stupid sonic screwdriver as a constant get out of jail card.
That pirate ship deck looked like the set was built for a kid's TV Christmas musical.
This one sucked bad, looking forward to the centenary for the old companions and whatever surprises there are, also cuz when it’s finally over we’ll be in RTD2 and that’s the money baby
Did it suck??
What a silly question??
Calling out the Chibs era for what it is- utter crap!
Before watching this video: this is going to be a bloodbath
RTD will return soon.
This is the first doctor who episode that I have seen where I legitimately said that's it? Like if felt like the complaints of marvel movies being all show like where's the meat
Mr Benn reference GOATed
Well that's a very easy question to answer. YES It SUCKED!
The Sea Devils, the best monsters in Doctor Who, utterly bastardized by this faux garbage. Jon Pertwee and Malcolm Hulk must be spinning.
IMO this is worse than Orphan 55 because of how lazy it is. Orphan was at least attempting to be clever whereas noone in this seems to have put any effort into thinking about this episode.
According to imDb, it's the second-worst after Orphan 55.
And at least Orphan 55 had plenty of ironic meme value, this was so po-faced, self-serious and aggressively boring
@@christianwise637 Yeahhhh I struggle to remember any scene in it's entirety tbh
The sea monster is still out there, just like the totally fluxxed universe.
The only thing I liked about this story was that every member of the TARDIS team was wearing period dress - Like I understand budget reasons, but there are times when either some or none of the TARDIS team blend in with their environment
It wanted to plank myself within the first opening minute. How is that for an answer?
In the 'bottom of the ocean' bit I was confused, not because of the TARDIS but why a Cuttlefish is so deep underwater, shouldn't they be at coral reefs? This *isn't* a nitpick, I'm deadly serious.
Also, did Chinese ships even have cannons in 1807? Their War Junks were mostly built for boarding right? And they fought mostly with fireships?
@Immortal Science of Hauntology ah okay, thanks
Not gonna lie I had no idea it had already came out, looked it up and apparently it was April 17th and I had no clue haha
I love tennant’s Easter special 😭😭 don’t talk smack 😭😭😭
Same I felt attacked 💀
I’m afraid I skipped to your verdict first so I’d be spoiler free but it confirmed my suspicions. I don’t plan to watch this episode in full in the near future (or probably ever).
I can’t wait for Chibnall to go, he really drove what used to be my favourite TV series into the ground with crap writing and PC bullshit. I’ll just stick to the old R.T Davies and Steven Moffat episodes until the former takes over again.
I'm afraid there's not going to be less of the PC stuff under Russell. If anything, there's going to be more, judging from his comments in interviews. But at least it will be competently written. You might think I'd welcome this, but after being preached to by _Rosa_ and _Demons of the Punjab,_ and that goddawful _Witchfinders,_ I simply *cannot* be excited anymore for my sci-fi to have morals in it. Russell is a smart man and is probably aware of this reaction. So he'll most likely hold off the worst of it until his second season.
What I'm saying is, don't judge RTD2 until you've seen Series 15. It might be fine and I'd be worried about nothing. But I've a feeling it's going to ruin a lot of people's nostalgia for Series 1-4. So don't get your hopes up.
Glad to know your back wont curl up!
Short answer: yes
This episode committed the ultimate sin of just being totally boring. I feel asleep during it and still haven’t tried re-watching.
At least the next episode will be chibnall's last.
Short answer, Yes.
Dreadful, just dreadful I know. To my shame, I have even watched all of Chibnall's rubbish for continuities sake? Then again, we may all wake soon and find it was just a bad dream? However looking at the "New Who", maybe not? Surely it can't be worse?
There was a story?