@@TheColdWarTV I thought he was saying his being normal was the disappointment. I also didn't know about the Dulleses, but I also understand that that's why you tellus these things in these videos:)
Dude, as soon as i heard him saying it I was like "Wait a minute.. was it that one?.." And yup, our man David has made a peculiar but commendable choice of vaults xD
The Dulles brothers represented and carried out some of the worst evils that America committed in the twentieth century. They should be treated today as war criminals, not honored.
John Foster Dulles is one of the drafters of the US-Philippine Mutual Defense Treaty of 1951. It makes sure that if one side is attacked by a foreign power, the other would come to its aid. The treaty is still active today, but somewhat weakened by the possibility of its boosting agreement, US Visiting Forces Agreement, being scrapped next year.
Oh yea! A treaty with a dictatorship instead of a democracy. The Dulles brothers loathed independent democracies. Especially the ones who chose to be neutral.
Great series. It would be nice to do one about the relationship between John and Allen Dulles and how the partnership shaped diplomacy in the 1950's. It seems like the Dulles brothers were the epitome of the 'Eastern Establishment'
The Dallas brothers made history, Both of them fomented successful coups abroad, And one even managed to do so here, and play a huge role in covering it up.
Eisenhower warned of the Military - Industrial Complex at the end of his presidency probably when he realized he was duped by Allen Dulles' CIA. Allen Dulles submarined Eisenhower's summit with Kruschev by having the U2 spy plane with Gary Powers flyover Russia two weeks before the summit. It was conveniently under filled with Hydrogen gas so the U2 had to descend from the unreachable 80,000 foot elevation. Once it descended it could be and was shot down. The collaborative summit was this sabotaged.
Less than a minute into this video there's a major lapse: Allen Dulles was NOT the first Director of the CIA, which was established under Truman, not Eisenhower.
I don't see how someone who believes in American Exceptionalism and acted on it many times, can be called a "defender" of anything but the imperial interests of his overlords
Geopolitics is not a game for the faint of heart as I'm fond of saying. Dulles acted in the intrest of american geopolitical goals. While it is true that he got his hands a bit dirty, no one in such a position of power can always avoid taking hash actions or making enemies.
The Dulles brothers really aren't the guys to do "shades of gray" soft focus bullcrap episode on, this one's a miss. They rival Kissinger with the blood on their hands.
I have lived in Virginia for my whole life so far, and I am very familiar with Dulles Airport. However, I never knew what (or who) it was named after. Thanks for the video! 👍
Usually people talking about JFD know nothing about him, his education, his work, his way of life and so forth. A lot of misconceptions about him. But he was a great lawyer, a skilled negotiator, a sort of living encyclopedia and a man who got acquainted with foreign affairs since the age of 19! As a European myself I consider him one of the few American statesmen who really knew Europe and cared about her. By the way he can be considered one of the fathers of European integration, along with two giants who were personal friends of him, Jean Monnet and Conrad Adenauer. Study more about JFD.
if youre european maybe google "operation gladio" to see what he was up to. also he was really good at making sure nazis never faced consequences. for example, the head of west germany intelligence after the war was a man handpicked by dulles- reinhard ghelen, ex highest ranking nazi in charge of intelligence on the eastern fromt. same guy who hired Konrad fiebig who was charged with murdering 11 thousand jews. allen dulles was instrumental in keeping ghelen and fiebig out of any trails or charges
allen also attempted to cut a deal with heinrich himmler to allow him to work in the US. beyond these examples, hes helped many many high ranking nazis escape through "ratlines" into the US govt or if that failed, south america as civillians
2:24 American exceptionalism isn't AT ALL what it is described as in this video. It is the belief that America is unique in its abilities and its system, and has a fundamental upper-hand and responsibility because of it. It's nothing to do with interventionism.
What was happening behind closed doors and out of public awareness during this era? It seems like the political stalling was far more calculated than the indecision presented on the public side of the political coin.
The Iranians and Guatemalans wanted to build for themselves the society they saw fit; but the Americans showed them the futility of an attempt at self-realisation and took away their ability to become who they want to be, all for the American corporate interest. What else could the result of these actions be, than the ideological nihilism which lead to corruption in those states decades later?
I would argue that the corruption comes from the continued use of bribes, aid and other incentives to make the local governments pliable (read: to ignore their own laws) and dependent on the interests of corporations and foreign governments, rather than beholden to the interests of their own people. Big corruption usually comes where there is a large gap in power distance and wealth between corporations/foreign governments who dominate a country, and the local people in power for whom being dependent clients becomes the best option for becoming rich, since the means of production are foreign-owned and profits of the country are going overseas.
How many people know who Dulles Airport is named after? A poll of passengers at Dulles would be interesting. “The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot” Proverbs 10:7
At the point where you began to talk about the uprising in Hungary, you mention a Hungarian leader while showing footage of US broadcaster Walter Cronkite. This should be clarified.
.Peng Du Hai ,the head of the force, became Defense Minister until he was removed in 1959 because he criticized The Great Leap Forward in a private letter to Mao.
@@scoutgamer9448 To my knowledge no. But PVA was a bit of a cover for regular PLA,some volunteers but most were combat veterans from the Chinese Civil War
That depends on how you count them. One could argue that either the resistance against the Japanese or the British "police action" right after the end of WWII counts as the first. Or even the french initial intervention in the 1860es that resulted in Vietnam and its neighbours becoming a french colony in the first place.
I’m shocked what Google had done to this video! I’m your subsriber and had “bell notification” for anything new. It never noticed me about this one! Sure, personally I’m in “lockdown” in Europe and have no possibilities to watch anything much nowadays. But having ten times less of viewers than your subscribers makes me wonder...
Dien Bien Phu: so in the seventy plus years since it happened, we have coopted the French name for their operation as Ours? Look deeper and you may find that Allen Dulles DIDN'T have a name for his intervention scheme. Or I've, at fifty-two, already lived too long.
Allen fought tirelessly to allow the Nazis to purchase Nickle which allowed Hitler to build an army to start WWII. How is this not in your story? The two brothers were almost conjoined twins. Thanks for the conversation.
It's hard not to dislike this guy for me as I am related by blood though distantly with Jacobo Arbenz Gúzman, the Guatemalan president who was deposed by actions of the Dulles brothers and the United Fruit Company 😡
I take issue with one statement here. American exceptionalism is not a belief that inherently confers upon US political and military leaders a right to forcefully intervene in the the rest of the world. American exceptionalism is a belief that the US political system and founding principles are uniquely good. Although some US interventionists have believed in American exceptionalism, this is not always the sole motivation for US intervention abroad. In many cases the primary motivation for US intervention historically was to aid foreign victims of aggression, or was to retain power of democracies against authoritarian regimes.
The second you said "according to Stephen Kinzer" I patted myself on the back. Kinzer's my favorite writer of historical commentary...EVERYONE GO READ HIS BOOKS
The Ike and Dulles regimes just make me so frustrated. The US has had so many chances to be the champions of freedom, democracy, and the little guy. And they would have so much more global influence if they had...but the lack of imagination, especially with Iran and Guatemala, and the siding with the Belgians in the Congo and the French in Vietnam...racism and colonialism. :/ Iran would could have been a stalwart US ally if they would have sided against BP and gone for a 50-50 oil revenue split. Also, I struggle to understand how leaders who showed such shrewdness in making West Germany and Japan stalwart US allies and promoting the growth of US allies through the Marshall plan could have the exact opposite approach to plantation colony states. Racism? Or just that these countries didn't have the strength to stand up to a bully? I like how this video contextualized that with the Dulles family pedigree and private interests, I didn't know that part.
Hungary only withdrew from the Soviet Union after the start of Soviet invasion. Had the USSR allowed Hungary it's liberalisation process, Hungary was clear in not wanting to withdraw from the pact and maintain good relations with the rest of the block, had the USSR not been so aggressive.
US gave the impression that intervention would be forthcoming in favour of the Hungarian rebels if they rose up. But , then did nothing, despite encouragement of the rebels.......it also failed the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam after the first Gulf War under similar circumstances
People criticize the US for not intervening in Hungary in '56, but when they intervened in Vietnam they get criticized for intervening. This video provides a very superficial and look at the Eisenhower administration. Another way of looking at it is that Eisenhower was a non-interventionist from a military point of view, as exemplified by the fact that he did not escalate the war in Vietnam (during the 1950s there were only up to 3000 US personnel in Vietnam); if the Eisenhower administration had intervened militarily in Hungary, like this video suggests it should have, maybe there would have been a war in Europe of the same magnitude as that in Vietnam.
Dulles had it right on U.S policy during the Cold War. There's no way the United States could sustain the massive forces required in Europe and elsewhere to stop an all out Soviet invasion of West Germany and Western Europe so money went to building a massive bomber fleet and nuclear weapons to deter the Warsaw Pact. Then like now, our so called NATO allies were unwilling to do their part and provide more than token manpower and support. Hence why I think NATO and other defense alliances the United States has outside of the western hemisphere should be phased out.
Your question presents a false choice. Even JFD’s better actions were informed by the same attitudes as his worst, as much as any tempered wisdom. With his deep connections to greedy businesses he was inherently corrupt IMO.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the Hungarian revolution was pushed by democratic socialist parties which were still sympathetic to the Soviet Union. One of the main reasons why the US wouldn't have intervened. This also influenced Soviet policy and meant they almost didn't intervene themselves until they pulled out of the Warsaw Pact. After intervention they were harshly criticized and lost a lot of support from other left wing governments/movements.
Dulles brothers were very pragmatic. Hungary, not worth the guts of an American grenadier. However, USA controlled the Panama and so the Americas. Can, USA, by hook or crook control the Suez Canal, the chokepoint of the Eurasian/ African subcontinent? Yes, by 6 day war, Yom Kippur war and finally by Camp David. Dulles did indeed see the world in binary.
Any thoughts on Daniel Ellsberg and Gene Sharp? Marcie Smith just stepped some keys talking about the latter. By the way, Dulles was a criminal. Just an intelligent one.
@@josedavidgarcesceballos7 oh yeah tell that to half of Eastern Europe and to the Russian people and to the Chinese and to the cambodians. Tell that to the angolans. Turns out the Sandinistas were very nice. neither were The shining path guerrilla or the Farc. Turns out a lot of those revolutionaries were as bad if not worse than the dulles brothers.
@@Maple_Cadian The Socialist nightmare was way worse for the people, than any US adventures. Given the choice, the vast majority would rather live in the USA sphere of influence, than the USSR any day
1956 should be considered one of Americas Darkest Years, Allies Betrayed on Multiple Fronts. CONUS was pretty much Safe from Soviet Attack in 1956, While Europe was the Battlefield.
In general, you do a good job. However, you frequently overlook or just skim over the context of the time which includes fears and political drama at the time.
I can't wait for a video on MacNamara and especially Henry Kissinger. I remember Hitchens once asked him, "Have you ever left a country better than you found it, Henry?" Hitch says the answer is no, and that Kissinger should be tried for war crimes. I agree. th-cam.com/video/PMN00XcjYrU/w-d-xo.html My favorite portrayal of MacNamara: th-cam.com/video/3YxdFlYReNE/w-d-xo.html It's not historically accurate or anything, I think they just nailed his character, voice, little mannerisms, and probably who he was in the dark. For an interview with him about Vietnam, see here: th-cam.com/video/ze8P-KAt3bc/w-d-xo.html He wrote a book about it to, I haven't gotten to reading it yet tho... 2 more good ones on Vietnam. I know you're still doing your research, I trust you'll get it right, and I truly hope that this helps you: th-cam.com/video/QWJ0y6oiot8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Q6LR-UJsYRc/w-d-xo.html Thanks for reccomending the "Death of Stalin" it had me roflmao and I think it'd be a great supplement to any history class on the topic. People remember stories better, and it would (if nothing else) ensure students have the cast of characters down. Zhukov was my favorite! A bit over imbelishing him, but still funny. I can only imagine one done in the same vein about the 3rd Reich XD My favorite part was watching Beria be dragged out and shot, seeing him break and beg and plead like the fat weak little coward he was. A bullet to the face was too good for him, the punishment should fit the crime - a trip through his own gulags... Speaking of Soviet stuff, this is the very best documentary on the Eastern Front of WW2 that I know of (which is saying a lot!), and I think it has a lot that's typically left out of Western sources. A bit propaganda for Mother Russia, but a lot of it I think they earned - so it's not boasting. I hope it helps y'all learn more about history, see the times Zhukov fracked up or got pwned, and generally enjoy learning: th-cam.com/video/6CerdjvePsg/w-d-xo.html 7:20 The US being a natural enemy of Colonialism, I know that's a cause The People of America would have rallied around. The same way people like Hitler can and do come to power in any country, it's nothing special against Germany, no nation is immune to being tricked or used for evil purposes by evil (or certainly not-good) leaders... not even the land of the free and the home of the brave... =( 10:11 It sure would be nice (and probably have turned out differently) if the people on the right side of this picture had guns, instead of machetes... "What will happen next?" "The same thing that usually happens when people without guns stand up to those with them." -V for Vendetta, my favorite line. Very wise, our Founding Fathers were... Oh wait, I see the lady in the red shirt as an SMG in the underarm assault position with a 2 point sling worn cross body and properly gripping the magazine well, if I look close I might even see the skin of her finger off the trigger through the trigger guard (drools). I'll take that over a woman with 1 boob hanging out pointing a flag with a pointy bit on the tip any day! Get some! Way to go, Diego (one of my very favorite artists), you show The People how to do it right; and the bad guys with their thugs and goons are the ones doing no martial gun handling at all... I'm ashamed to see my flag in the upper left corner. What that reminds me of, a moment when America really was great "back then" as so many long for...: th-cam.com/video/F3_EXqJ8f-0/w-d-xo.html 11:18 If I had my way, you'd have a radio station like 3 Dawg and an amplifier. Riley's Rangers and the good Brotherhood of Steel FTW. Can't stop the signal... One of my very favorite movies, that I think y'all will appreciate it, in return for The Death of Stalin lolz: th-cam.com/video/_nk2ZNKOxCY/w-d-xo.html I'll have to think for awhile, read a few biographies, and study the events more to give a definitive opinion on JFD. Sometimes, people with long lives and careers aren't always the same alignment. Many people's opinions, beliefs, and morality change through time - leaders are no exception. Maybe in his old age he became a bit of a softie lol? IDK, I'd want to learn a lot more before giving my opinions, thanks for the material to ponder tho! Looking forward to the next one, as always
If Dulles was a chess player, he'd be characterized as one move deep. That eliminates the statesmen option. Solidifying America's view that corporate interests are at odds with democracy I guess makes him a hawk. May revise that, considering he dodged a few opportunities at combat, I think he's more accurately pigeon holed as a Chickenhawk.
I like to think that if Communism never existed the United States would've stayed a friend of Anti-Colonialism forces. My Compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Im not sure I agree. America has always been rather imperialistic. Starting with manifest destiny, but also their fight for empire in the Pacific and Caribbean in the 1800’s and 1900’s. Most famous might be the invasions of The Kingdom of Hawaii and The Republic of the Philippines (again famous for the use of concentration camps by american forces in quelling insurrection)
“Most of our viewers are not normal people” I’ve disappointed him.
not normal in a good way! :)
@@TheColdWarTV Are you going to upload your work also on Nebula from Curiosity Stream?
😧😧😧
@@TheColdWarTV I thought he was saying his being normal was the disappointment. I also didn't know about the Dulleses, but I also understand that that's why you tellus these things in these videos:)
11:20
"As part of the vault experiment, it is populated by one man and 999 women" - Fallout wiki
Alright there bud hold up-
Dude, as soon as i heard him saying it I was like "Wait a minute.. was it that one?.." And yup, our man David has made a peculiar but commendable choice of vaults xD
JFD can probably be considered both a hawk as well as a "shrewd statesman."
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
Only the Sith think in absolutes.
The Dulles brothers represented and carried out some of the worst evils that America committed in the twentieth century. They should be treated today as war criminals, not honored.
Maybe one of them.
doesn't preclude an episode about them. this is history, not a court. even if i might agree
@@ketilflatnose4930 If you're not discussing the crimes against humanity committed by the Dulles brothers, you're not presenting all the history.
@@gregcampwriter give a list.
Unless hundreds of thousands are killed on purpose moral judgments should not be put in historical analysis
John Foster Dulles is one of the drafters of the US-Philippine Mutual Defense Treaty of 1951. It makes sure that if one side is attacked by a foreign power, the other would come to its aid. The treaty is still active today, but somewhat weakened by the possibility of its boosting agreement, US Visiting Forces Agreement, being scrapped next year.
Oh yea! A treaty with a dictatorship instead of a democracy. The Dulles brothers loathed independent democracies. Especially the ones who chose to be neutral.
We need a video on the formation of the KGB and one on the formation of the CIA.
Hawk? In the country i am from we would name him a vulture.
🤔I would use buzzard ..it implies less altitude (and hence less effectiveness) and more of a thuggish short sighted bully.
a buzzard in British english IS a hawk; and in American it's a vulture
Great series. It would be nice to do one about the relationship between John and Allen Dulles and how the partnership shaped diplomacy in the 1950's. It seems like the Dulles brothers were the epitome of the 'Eastern Establishment'
they shaped the unipolar world we live in today. total global dominance ever since
The Dallas brothers made history, Both of them fomented successful coups abroad, And one even managed to do so here, and play a huge role in covering it up.
Commited multiple gencoide and mass atrocities
Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex, yet appointed JFD as Secretary of State
Eisenhower warned of the Military - Industrial Complex at the end of his presidency probably when he realized he was duped by Allen Dulles' CIA.
Allen Dulles submarined Eisenhower's summit with Kruschev by having the U2 spy plane with Gary Powers flyover Russia two weeks before the summit. It was conveniently under filled with Hydrogen gas so the U2 had to descend from the unreachable 80,000 foot elevation. Once it descended it could be and was shot down. The collaborative summit was this sabotaged.
Less than a minute into this video there's a major lapse: Allen Dulles was NOT the first Director of the CIA, which was established under Truman, not Eisenhower.
He was the IST Civilian Director of the CIA - Was OSS SPY & helped create the CIA. Also Director no.1 MJ12 ... Created MK ULTRA 1953
In my opinion……Horribly evil man. It’s a travesty that there is any institution named after these horrible men.
I don't see how someone who believes in American Exceptionalism and acted on it many times, can be called a "defender" of anything but the imperial interests of his overlords
Post war Italy
That is very complex
I would love to see that video one day. That aside. Hey is that a profile pic of Colonel Klink from Hogan's Hero's?
@@brokenbridge6316 yess
@@eccoregitv9484 a man of culture i see
Yes
Thank you ,never heard about him :)
Interesting video, like it 👍🏽
3:21 That's a picture of ALLEN Dulles, not his brother John.
YUP.
I came here after reading "The Brothers" by Stephen Kinzer. I highly recommend it 💯
Geopolitics is not a game for the faint of heart as I'm fond of saying. Dulles acted in the intrest of american geopolitical goals. While it is true that he got his hands a bit dirty, no one in such a position of power can always avoid taking hash actions or making enemies.
The Dulles brothers really aren't the guys to do "shades of gray" soft focus bullcrap episode on, this one's a miss. They rival Kissinger with the blood on their hands.
Excellent program. Thank you. RS. Canada
I have lived in Virginia for my whole life so far, and I am very familiar with Dulles Airport. However, I never knew what (or who) it was named after. Thanks for the video! 👍
I thought the airport was named after Allen Dulles.
Hawk or Statesman? More like Criminal just like Allen Dulles.
🤔Hawk is still too dignified 🤓 BUZZARD that's more like it
Usually people talking about JFD know nothing about him, his education, his work, his way of life and so forth. A lot of misconceptions about him. But he was a great lawyer, a skilled negotiator, a sort of living encyclopedia and a man who got acquainted with foreign affairs since the age of 19! As a European myself I consider him one of the few American statesmen who really knew Europe and cared about her. By the way he can be considered one of the fathers of European integration, along with two giants who were personal friends of him, Jean Monnet and Conrad Adenauer. Study more about JFD.
if youre european maybe google "operation gladio" to see what he was up to. also he was really good at making sure nazis never faced consequences. for example, the head of west germany intelligence after the war was a man handpicked by dulles- reinhard ghelen, ex highest ranking nazi in charge of intelligence on the eastern fromt. same guy who hired Konrad fiebig who was charged with murdering 11 thousand jews. allen dulles was instrumental in keeping ghelen and fiebig out of any trails or charges
allen also attempted to cut a deal with heinrich himmler to allow him to work in the US. beyond these examples, hes helped many many high ranking nazis escape through "ratlines" into the US govt or if that failed, south america as civillians
No he didn’t look at what he did in Italy and Spain, France as well he was a horribale persona
His brilliant mind does not clean his dirty tactics and evil legacy
This person's helped engineered the start of our bad relationship in Iran.
2:24 American exceptionalism isn't AT ALL what it is described as in this video. It is the belief that America is unique in its abilities and its system, and has a fundamental upper-hand and responsibility because of it. It's nothing to do with interventionism.
Glad to see Mundane Matt is now hosting this show.
@Ajit Adonis Manilal I dont know what you are talking about mister.
You deserve more views and subscribers
"otherwise I would speaking to you from Vault 69" if that's a Fallout reference, I love it
What was happening behind closed doors and out of public awareness during this era? It seems like the political stalling was far more calculated than the indecision presented on the public side of the political coin.
The Iranians and Guatemalans wanted to build for themselves the society they saw fit; but the Americans showed them the futility of an attempt at self-realisation and took away their ability to become who they want to be, all for the American corporate interest. What else could the result of these actions be, than the ideological nihilism which lead to corruption in those states decades later?
@@panzerreiter1608 There is always a room for god where power and evil resides....certainly in capitalism too
I would argue that the corruption comes from the continued use of bribes, aid and other incentives to make the local governments pliable (read: to ignore their own laws) and dependent on the interests of corporations and foreign governments, rather than beholden to the interests of their own people. Big corruption usually comes where there is a large gap in power distance and wealth between corporations/foreign governments who dominate a country, and the local people in power for whom being dependent clients becomes the best option for becoming rich, since the means of production are foreign-owned and profits of the country are going overseas.
Yeah the US is right to intervene in any Nations affairs didn't seem to work the way they wanted to
Watching dancing coffin memes and got a notification from the cold war channel, time to get serious lol
Which skill is that Vault-Tec bobblehead for?
Charisma...
I hope you will still do another video just about the Hungarian uprising of 1956.
How many people know who Dulles Airport is named after? A poll of passengers at Dulles would be interesting. “The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot” Proverbs 10:7
Named after John Foster Dulles.
At the point where you began to talk about the uprising in Hungary, you mention a Hungarian leader while showing footage of US broadcaster Walter Cronkite. This should be clarified.
I was checking some videos of OSS ofiice strategic informations prior than CIA, and the creation Gladios groups.
what happened to the Chinese People's Volunteer Army after Korea??
Return as victors and heroes, get back at being PLA soldiers, some died, others got denounced, most live through as normal... I presume...
.Peng Du Hai ,the head of the force, became Defense Minister until he was removed in 1959 because he criticized The Great Leap Forward in a private letter to Mao.
@@parthamittra9058 does the PVA still exists?
@@scoutgamer9448 To my knowledge no. But PVA was a bit of a cover for regular PLA,some volunteers but most were combat veterans from the Chinese Civil War
Spot Tony the Tiger :P
Eisenhower was most unwise to have both the Dulles brothers appointed to such sensitive offices CIA director & secretary of state. A fateful error
Still to this day the damage this two brothers cause on the world is on match...
3:27 is a picture of his brother Allen so is 5:15 and it’s not operation success it’s operation pbsuccess
Leaving out the Indonesian chapter is a huge omission.
11:30 Dien Bien Phu was the last major battle of the first indochina war, I believe, not the second.
That depends on how you count them. One could argue that either the resistance against the Japanese or the British "police action" right after the end of WWII counts as the first. Or even the french initial intervention in the 1860es that resulted in Vietnam and its neighbours becoming a french colony in the first place.
11:31 You mean the FIRST Indochina War
1st = 1946-1954
2nd = 1955-1975 (incl. the "Vietnam War")
3rd = 1975-1991
Showing Walter Cronkite when talking about Nagy?
They set a lot of precedence in foreign policy
Can you share the background score . Also of podcast ..????
I’m shocked what Google had done to this video! I’m your subsriber and had “bell notification” for anything new. It never noticed me about this one! Sure, personally I’m in “lockdown” in Europe and have no possibilities to watch anything much nowadays. But having ten times less of viewers than your subscribers makes me wonder...
Do not forget Cardinal Avery Dulles.
The Iranian & Guatemalan coups proved to be disastrous in the long run.
Dien Bien Phu: so in the seventy plus years since it happened, we have coopted the French name for their operation as Ours? Look deeper and you may find that Allen Dulles DIDN'T have a name for his intervention scheme. Or I've, at fifty-two, already lived too long.
He was a warmongering hawk
Allen fought tirelessly to allow the Nazis to purchase Nickle which allowed Hitler to build an army to start WWII. How is this not in your story? The two brothers were almost conjoined twins. Thanks for the conversation.
Pretty Good!
It's hard not to dislike this guy for me as I am related by blood though distantly with Jacobo Arbenz Gúzman, the Guatemalan president who was deposed by actions of the Dulles brothers and the United Fruit Company 😡
I think you meant that the Battle of Dien Bien Phu was the turning point of the First Indochina War.
The audio is out of sync with the video
I take issue with one statement here. American exceptionalism is not a belief that inherently confers upon US political and military leaders a right to forcefully intervene in the the rest of the world. American exceptionalism is a belief that the US political system and founding principles are uniquely good. Although some US interventionists have believed in American exceptionalism, this is not always the sole motivation for US intervention abroad. In many cases the primary motivation for US intervention historically was to aid foreign victims of aggression, or was to retain power of democracies against authoritarian regimes.
"Twinkle twinkle little Sputnik,
What you are I know not whatnik,
Is there room up in your hullnik,
For Ike and Dick, and Foster Dullnik?" -Anon
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11:25 Nice.
You should do australia in the cold war
18:45 He was both.
it wasn't about fighting communism or colonialism. It was an opportunity to extend hegemony and US style colonialism.
The second you said "according to Stephen Kinzer" I patted myself on the back. Kinzer's my favorite writer of historical commentary...EVERYONE GO READ HIS BOOKS
The Ike and Dulles regimes just make me so frustrated. The US has had so many chances to be the champions of freedom, democracy, and the little guy. And they would have so much more global influence if they had...but the lack of imagination, especially with Iran and Guatemala, and the siding with the Belgians in the Congo and the French in Vietnam...racism and colonialism. :/ Iran would could have been a stalwart US ally if they would have sided against BP and gone for a 50-50 oil revenue split.
Also, I struggle to understand how leaders who showed such shrewdness in making West Germany and Japan stalwart US allies and promoting the growth of US allies through the Marshall plan could have the exact opposite approach to plantation colony states. Racism? Or just that these countries didn't have the strength to stand up to a bully?
I like how this video contextualized that with the Dulles family pedigree and private interests, I didn't know that part.
Oh yes, part of a government's job is to protect business interests abroad.
No one ever called him "JFD"...
Everyone calls you “GAY”
Get neyneyed
I didn't think so either and his using the initials got me thinking that his brother's name was Bobby lol
it was for simplicy sake to say his name all the time. Don't be stupid.
"Defender of Global Security or Hawkish Interventionist?"
Why not BOTH? Hawk gang for life!
A defender of US business interests abroad.
The TV overlay is a bit strange. You're covering footage to add a TV overlay? Just let us see the footage. Great show otherwise!
I just wanna know what's in the cup.
Hungary only withdrew from the Soviet Union after the start of Soviet invasion. Had the USSR allowed Hungary it's liberalisation process, Hungary was clear in not wanting to withdraw from the pact and maintain good relations with the rest of the block, had the USSR not been so aggressive.
US gave the impression that intervention would be forthcoming in favour of the Hungarian rebels if they rose up. But , then did nothing, despite encouragement of the rebels.......it also failed the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam after the first Gulf War under similar circumstances
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The 1950s, what a time in America..major advancement
People criticize the US for not intervening in Hungary in '56, but when they intervened in Vietnam they get criticized for intervening. This video provides a very superficial and look at the Eisenhower administration. Another way of looking at it is that Eisenhower was a non-interventionist from a military point of view, as exemplified by the fact that he did not escalate the war in Vietnam (during the 1950s there were only up to 3000 US personnel in Vietnam); if the Eisenhower administration had intervened militarily in Hungary, like this video suggests it should have, maybe there would have been a war in Europe of the same magnitude as that in Vietnam.
Churchill was once quoted as saying 'Dull, duller, Dulles.' (alleging that one of the brothers, probably JFD, was a dullard).
Vault 69 eh? Priorities in order i see
We only signed peace with Japan in 1959?? 😧😧
Great video, I am educated
he was an opportunistic leech, who only intervened when he knew they could win the battle, and it didn't if had real resistance
lol why would one take a big risk without confidece of sucsess, when one has other options?
This man is everything wrong with cold war America
Dulles had it right on U.S policy during the Cold War. There's no way the United States could sustain the massive forces required in Europe and elsewhere to stop an all out Soviet invasion of West Germany and Western Europe so money went to building a massive bomber fleet and nuclear weapons to deter the Warsaw Pact. Then like now, our so called NATO allies were unwilling to do their part and provide more than token manpower and support. Hence why I think NATO and other defense alliances the United States has outside of the western hemisphere should be phased out.
Your question presents a false choice. Even JFD’s better actions were informed by the same attitudes as his worst, as much as any tempered wisdom. With his deep connections to greedy businesses he was inherently corrupt IMO.
Dulles and Kissinger are criminals in suits
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the Hungarian revolution was pushed by democratic socialist parties which were still sympathetic to the Soviet Union. One of the main reasons why the US wouldn't have intervened. This also influenced Soviet policy and meant they almost didn't intervene themselves until they pulled out of the Warsaw Pact. After intervention they were harshly criticized and lost a lot of support from other left wing governments/movements.
Dulles brothers were very pragmatic. Hungary, not worth the guts of an American grenadier.
However, USA controlled the Panama and so the Americas.
Can, USA, by hook or crook control the Suez Canal, the chokepoint of the Eurasian/ African subcontinent?
Yes, by 6 day war, Yom Kippur war and finally by Camp David.
Dulles did indeed see the world in binary.
Any thoughts on Daniel Ellsberg and Gene Sharp? Marcie Smith just stepped some keys talking about the latter.
By the way, Dulles was a criminal. Just an intelligent one.
The Dulles brothers look like kitty cats compared to what the Soviets and communist offshoots were doing during that time period. Context is key
@@daytonjobgen8639 tell it to the guatemalans
@@josedavidgarcesceballos7 oh yeah tell that to half of Eastern Europe and to the Russian people and to the Chinese and to the cambodians. Tell that to the angolans. Turns out the Sandinistas were very nice. neither were The shining path guerrilla or the Farc. Turns out a lot of those revolutionaries were as bad if not worse than the dulles brothers.
@@daytonjobgen8639 Both the US and the USSR were imperialist empires and neither has a leg to stand on.
@@Maple_Cadian The Socialist nightmare was way worse for the people, than any US adventures. Given the choice, the vast majority would rather live in the USA sphere of influence, than the USSR any day
1956 should be considered one of Americas Darkest Years, Allies Betrayed on Multiple Fronts. CONUS was pretty much Safe from Soviet Attack in 1956, While Europe was the Battlefield.
11:00 We are MASSIVE RE+ALIA+ION! DuhDuhDuhDuhDuh
In general, you do a good job. However, you frequently overlook or just skim over the context of the time which includes fears and political drama at the time.
How come you don’t sound like the “Kings and Generals” guy?
7.40 It didn't play because USA is an Economic Coloniser.
It was thought they were implicated in the death of Dag Hammerskold.
I can't wait for a video on MacNamara and especially Henry Kissinger. I remember Hitchens once asked him, "Have you ever left a country better than you found it, Henry?" Hitch says the answer is no, and that Kissinger should be tried for war crimes. I agree. th-cam.com/video/PMN00XcjYrU/w-d-xo.html
My favorite portrayal of MacNamara: th-cam.com/video/3YxdFlYReNE/w-d-xo.html It's not historically accurate or anything, I think they just nailed his character, voice, little mannerisms, and probably who he was in the dark. For an interview with him about Vietnam, see here: th-cam.com/video/ze8P-KAt3bc/w-d-xo.html He wrote a book about it to, I haven't gotten to reading it yet tho...
2 more good ones on Vietnam. I know you're still doing your research, I trust you'll get it right, and I truly hope that this helps you: th-cam.com/video/QWJ0y6oiot8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Q6LR-UJsYRc/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for reccomending the "Death of Stalin" it had me roflmao and I think it'd be a great supplement to any history class on the topic. People remember stories better, and it would (if nothing else) ensure students have the cast of characters down. Zhukov was my favorite! A bit over imbelishing him, but still funny. I can only imagine one done in the same vein about the 3rd Reich XD My favorite part was watching Beria be dragged out and shot, seeing him break and beg and plead like the fat weak little coward he was. A bullet to the face was too good for him, the punishment should fit the crime - a trip through his own gulags...
Speaking of Soviet stuff, this is the very best documentary on the Eastern Front of WW2 that I know of (which is saying a lot!), and I think it has a lot that's typically left out of Western sources. A bit propaganda for Mother Russia, but a lot of it I think they earned - so it's not boasting. I hope it helps y'all learn more about history, see the times Zhukov fracked up or got pwned, and generally enjoy learning: th-cam.com/video/6CerdjvePsg/w-d-xo.html
7:20 The US being a natural enemy of Colonialism, I know that's a cause The People of America would have rallied around. The same way people like Hitler can and do come to power in any country, it's nothing special against Germany, no nation is immune to being tricked or used for evil purposes by evil (or certainly not-good) leaders... not even the land of the free and the home of the brave... =(
10:11 It sure would be nice (and probably have turned out differently) if the people on the right side of this picture had guns, instead of machetes... "What will happen next?" "The same thing that usually happens when people without guns stand up to those with them." -V for Vendetta, my favorite line. Very wise, our Founding Fathers were...
Oh wait, I see the lady in the red shirt as an SMG in the underarm assault position with a 2 point sling worn cross body and properly gripping the magazine well, if I look close I might even see the skin of her finger off the trigger through the trigger guard (drools). I'll take that over a woman with 1 boob hanging out pointing a flag with a pointy bit on the tip any day! Get some! Way to go, Diego (one of my very favorite artists), you show The People how to do it right; and the bad guys with their thugs and goons are the ones doing no martial gun handling at all...
I'm ashamed to see my flag in the upper left corner. What that reminds me of, a moment when America really was great "back then" as so many long for...: th-cam.com/video/F3_EXqJ8f-0/w-d-xo.html
11:18 If I had my way, you'd have a radio station like 3 Dawg and an amplifier. Riley's Rangers and the good Brotherhood of Steel FTW. Can't stop the signal...
One of my very favorite movies, that I think y'all will appreciate it, in return for The Death of Stalin lolz: th-cam.com/video/_nk2ZNKOxCY/w-d-xo.html
I'll have to think for awhile, read a few biographies, and study the events more to give a definitive opinion on JFD. Sometimes, people with long lives and careers aren't always the same alignment. Many people's opinions, beliefs, and morality change through time - leaders are no exception. Maybe in his old age he became a bit of a softie lol? IDK, I'd want to learn a lot more before giving my opinions, thanks for the material to ponder tho! Looking forward to the next one, as always
He did his job. That's my opinion.
If Dulles was a chess player, he'd be characterized as one move deep. That eliminates the statesmen option. Solidifying America's view that corporate interests are at odds with democracy I guess makes him a hawk. May revise that, considering he dodged a few opportunities at combat, I think he's more accurately pigeon holed as a Chickenhawk.
I like to think that if Communism never existed the United States would've stayed a friend of Anti-Colonialism forces. My Compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Im not sure I agree. America has always been rather imperialistic. Starting with manifest destiny, but also their fight for empire in the Pacific and Caribbean in the 1800’s and 1900’s. Most famous might be the invasions of The Kingdom of Hawaii and The Republic of the Philippines (again famous for the use of concentration camps by american forces in quelling insurrection)
America would then still be a rival of European imperial powers and Japan
@@tyros4372---Well if anything America might've been less inclined to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries like it did after WWII.