Both of these mics are pretty great, but here's my full review of the MKH50 if you want to know a little wiser about my personal favorite Heiser: th-cam.com/video/Sn3xhTuLqmw/w-d-xo.html
Hi there, thanks a lot for your great comparison videos. My 2 cents, your voice sounds really nice on the MKH416. Whenever you switch to the MKH50, I notice that it kind of gets muffled. But you are right, after a while the ear adapts and it doesn't matter. I listen on my Macbook Pro 2021 and I don't hear any noise that the MKH416 should have picked up in your setting.
@@tanjuerinmez You'd want to be using some good monitor speakers or quality headphones to really grasp the differences. These are already high end mics that far exceed the quility of any Macbook, tablet, laptop or built in speaker out there. With my lowish end monitors the Kanto YU2 I can clearly hear the more bold deeper sound of the MKH50, the same mic that Gerald Undone uses. Bold sound gets cut off on all small speakers, especially built in sound so it makes sense that it sounds "muffled" on your swtup. The MKH416 is more of a natural brighter sound that small speakers can better represent.
Hi Tom, I need some assistance. I have the MKH50 boom out of shot on my desk with the Audient ID4 MKII audio interface. My room is not super silent, there are fans around as our A/C broke down. I'm mainly using it for Zoom Meetings, VOIP calls. However, in order for the other party to hear me on the other end, I need to put the gain to almost maximum level, the Audient ID4 MK II has about 58db of gain. However, when I do that, the mic become super sensitive and it picks up sounds of television from my living room with the door close. Am I doing something wrong? Because I tried it with my fans off and TV off. However, when I put the gain to a level where the other side can hear me, it become super sensitive that is able to pick up everything that is not pointed at. I'm not sure what's the problem as this is my only audio interface. Is this how it is suppose to be without any expander/noise gate and compressor or is it because my audio interface is not getting enough power from my laptop or this is just how the mic works? Please help me out. Thank you.
Hey Tom, quick history of the 416 from a voiceover perspective. The 416 was made popular by Ernie Anderson who was the prolific VO guy in the 80's. He used the 416 because he preferred to record in the control room and needed a mic that had great room rejection. It kinda became the sound of the promo read. Don Lafontane, and Joe Ciperiano both used the mic for all their work as well. Thanks for the vid!
Awesome, thank you for that history lesson! I was surprised to learn how long it's been around. For some reason, I thought it was less than 20 years old and I was totally wrong.
I have a 416 and it doesn’t reject reverb in a small booth because of the slats. It causes phase cancellation, low frequencies bouncing off the foam from one wall to the other. It sounds boxy and overly resonant and bass rich. The foam eats up most the high frequencies. The 416 rejects outside noise quite well. It’s best in larger partially treated rooms or very very heavily treated small booths, like 8” of rockwool. And yes, it is extremely popular with top VO artists under the right conditions, PY0RPN8kvhs
nailed it! glad you found so many of the same differences I did when testing these mics. tone is certainly different... and for me, close talking the mics, the plosive rejection of the 416 made it the one I stuck with (even though I do prefer the 50's tone!). well done.
Thanks Brodie! I really didn't expect them to sound so different, but it's pretty wild. The 416's plosive rejection is really the best I've found on almost any mic.
Tom, there's a few things missed here. The 416 and 816 were used primarily on film sets decades ago because they are RF biased and very resilient to moisture. To do ADR properly, the post guys of the era had to have a 416 in their studios. That got it into studios everywhere and trained people to like the sound in a recording studio although some of the most legendary engineers hate the 416 claiming it sounds too metallic. Both of these microphones shine overhead and using them on a desk has become commonplace recently but that doesn't mean it sounds ideal. When you took the 416/50 outside I cringed because there is a skill to underbooming but you did take them overhead later so all is forgiven. Personally it irritates me when I see that it's become commonplace and accepted to misuse a microphone. Many content creators do it including MKBHD with his 416 if he is still underbooming with it. I know the 416 has become a commonplace voice over microphone because of it's dark sound and reach but it still sounds best overhead.
I'm definitely (obviously) not a pro, but I do think there's value in showing how the average person might encounter/use these since we aren't lucky enough to have our own personal Allens around at all times 😁
Agree. There is no film/movie production I was on where we used the 416 indoors. None. Just overhead outdoors. Indoors more the 50 or 60 besides the Neumann KM 184/185 or may be a Schoeps.
I came here because the MKH50 is on my wishlist. I bought the MKH416 back in 2016. I will say while the MKH50 sounds much warmer, I still prefer the clarity of the MKH416. Each time you switch to it, I had this feeling of "that's better". The MKH50 almost had a cramped feeling to it, while the MKH416 sounded as though the sound had been set free... if that makes any sense. I have Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, if that makes any difference.
Totally makes sense- and so much really does come down to personal preference, especially when it comes to two super high quality mics. There was no EQ or anything applied to either mic, so the sound of each could definitely be dialed in further.
Sennheiser MKH416 is definitely the industry standard, but I'd pick the "hidden-gem" Sennheiser MKE 600 shotgun mic definitely over anything else if under 600-1000$, value for money with that is just nuts, especially if you find it used online!
Hey, when it comes to voice overs, we've been using the trusty old 416 for a long time now. It's been on my A-list for around 15 years or so! By the way, I just wanted to say that the video you shared is absolutely amazing! Great sound the mkh 50 too!
I find it intriguing that it's a tube mic but still a broadcast mic that excludes ambient noise. Condensers are normally not that directional. I have a very expensive tube mic that works almost opposite to the 416 as it picks up my neighbors secrets and choppers flying by. In dead silence it sound very warm and wide, but it's too sensitive for most parts so I'm considering another mic. Do you use the 416 for commercial VO work or is it for reading audio books and similar? Is it an allrounder?
Thanks a lot for this. I love the MKH50. The timber in the voice is amazing. MKH416 seems a bit harsh at the highs. What MKH50 does is accentuate the mid base of the voice. Its not boomy. All other mikes do have a low end but it sound more boomy
My thoughts exactly. I definitely understand why people love the 416 and I’ve heard it used with incredible results, but the 50 is just something extra special.
My ears could be biased bc of what you said but I agree, 416 sounds better (imo) outside, getting more of the airyness. And the 50 more focused sounding indoors, like what you would expect talking to someone in an office vs outdoors. Also, favorite line; "it's ok, it was for science" 🥰
Thanks for the review, this helped a lot. Especially the plosives part. I definitely prefer how MKH416 sounds and just ordered it. Maybe I'm biased because, like you said, it's such a popular mic and I have gotten used to it (for example watching Dave2D videos :), but also MKH50 is too bassy/rumbling for my liking. IMO, it sounds fatiguing. MKH416 has plenty of bass too, but it's definitely a brighter mic overall.
Been using the MKH50 for years, bought it 7 years ago after my $200 mic started to fail. It's very solid, I find that it has a much narrow pickup pattern then most mics out there which is great. but unusable outside as any slight breeze makes it sound like a tornado. So if you can only get one I'd def get the 416 as it'll be more versatile.
I started with the 50 like a month ago, but decided to return it and get an SM7B and the 416, and I have to say I was surprised how much more I like the 416 even in a small studio space🤷🏻♂️ Both great mics and I appreciate your reviews they have helped a lot!
I'm glad yo shared this, it's super important to find what works best for you, especially in a specific environment and with a specific voice. Plus you can never go wrong by having an SM7B around 👍
Nice! I have the 416 and also learnt about the 50 after I bought it. Since I always shoot indoors and myself, the 50 would have been more interesting for me. But now I don't want to spend another fortune for the 50 :D
The 416 picked up too much room noise for my setup, even run through eq live. Needed post, but I’m doing virtual calls and streaming. Could not get good sound in my apartment downtown for an untreated room. It made me really sad. Looking at the 50 now. I wanted to get a boom mic that sounded like my SM7B without a mic in my face… the 416 is the absolutely wrong choice for that. Great video. Thanks!
Omg Tom! You are hilarious! I’ve always wanted a 416, but after watching your video I am considering the 50 as I am trying to reduce off axis sound. My German made condenser picks up everything especially the neighbors when they mow their lawns. Obviously I have a less than ideal rec environment.
Thanks Tony! They're both outstanding mics, but I definitely prefer the 50. It's just so good! I've been using mine for close to 2 years now and am still always impressed by it.
ultimate SHOWDOWN!!!!! I got the 416, and my first reaction was: "wow this sounds HARSH" on the high, crispy end of EQ. My voice just has a lot of Ssssss sizzle and this mic emphasizes that on my voice! Room treatment was necessary with this mic, because the sound reflections in my room are all in the high end. But, I figured out to point mic at chest AND I put on the big fluffy windscreen, and a rolls off the harshness and sounds awesome. Honestly, I like the MKH50 (although I need to hear on my voice). The 416 can make you sound like a radio announcer, if ya like that kind of tone... I do, but not for everything.
Great review, worth 100x the clicks and thumbs up. To my ears, the MKH50's mellower timbre gives male voices that podcast sound, while the MKH416 has a bit more of a flat response, with a slightly thinner sound, but more 'sparkle' in the high end. It would have been great to recruit a woman to hear how both of them capture a slightly higher pitched voice. If anyone cares to make a sub-$500 Schoeps sound-alike, please let us know.
I ordered MKH-416 and almost regretted. After watching your review and see that it rejects plosives better than 50, so I am glad that I chose that. Although the tone of 50 is great and it is especially better for room, I will use MKH-416 in a small room anyway. Thank you for a great review.
Gerald Undone uses the MKH50. The MKH50 has a nice BOLD sound, which makes it really stick out if that that is the sound you want. Someone with an already deep sounding voice may want something brighter like the MKH416. It all comes down to what sounds best for "your" voice. I use the Audio-Technica AT4040, which is about half the price but is for indoor use.
Last time I watched one of your microphone videos it became very expensive.... 😂😂 But I really appreciate that you make these videos. They make my videos a lot better!
Thanks Jens! Just wait until you see the video about that $2400 mic 😁 (Don’t worry though, I’ll make it very clear that the point is NOT to go spend $2400 haha)
I love the Deity up close, but I’ve e ever been able to get great results when it’s far away. I know other people like Tyler Stalman use it boomed out of frame and it sounds incredible 🤷🏻♂️
As the mic fan you are, I need to provide you with Oktova MK012, completely different league (and completely different price as well, in Europe it's USD 200/250 I believe)... Just to see what you think about it... Otherwise I really like how the MKH50 sounds
@@tombuck I'm not sure they have it actually. It's many moons back but I was once in NYC on business trip and asked - assuming that gears are generally a bit cheaper in the US - and they didn't have it then. But do let me know, if they don't I'll find a way... 👍
Hi Tom, I've come back to this video multiple times over the last several months. I listened through my desktop speakers and then with my studio headset. Only listening and not being persuaded by the visual of the video I would say the 416 is the richer more realistic sound. The 50 sounds like a podcast/radio mic and not as realistic as the 416. I've been using the 416 for the last 2yrs and been teetering on the 50 for my indoor use to eliminate reverb, but I'm wondering if a little voice isolation would clean it up in DaVinci Resolve. The price doesn't scare me since I do this for a living, but I also would rather allocate my budget towards other production improving gear. What kind of EQ'ing do you do with the 50 in post? Do you bring back some of the high tones? Thanks again and keep up the excellent work!
Came in clutch! Idk which to buy. What if I’m gonna be treating my room as I go? I love the sound off the 416 and I love the sound iso on the 50. Help ! Thanks !!
I think the way it sounds (the MKH50), It sounds like a good high tone audio. But it's very good when I use my headphones listening to it. And the low pass filter actually really helps reducing the hum in the audio. (Or even that, It cuts the low frequencies) If I'm going to choose one for mine, I'll going to use a MKH50 anyways. Because the Senhaiser MKH50 sounds way better than my 7RYMS Minbo Mini. (Or maybe a draw?)
What sounds better the mkh50 or the shure sm7b with the goxlr and cloudlifter? I can't decide which one to get. I should also mention my room isn't sound proofed but I heard with the shure sm7b you have to be right on the mic the whole time because it's dynamic. That's why im interested on the mkh50 but I'm not sure if it will pick up a lot of background noise?
Personally, I think that decision is less about sound and more about how you plan to use the mic. They're both excellent mics, so you'll sound great no matter what. Like you said, the Shure needs you to be close to it, but it'll do a better job of rejecting other noise in your space. The Sennheiser is a better option if you don't want to be super close to the mic and/or want to keep it out of a camera frame. It will pick up more environmental sound, but worst case scenario it's not too tough to fix that with some software during editing.
Maybe it me but both are overkill for a TH-cam. The Rode NTG is about as good as most people need. I have both mic’s and TV studio and movies use both but the 416 is a standard but they want clean sound that totally processed after the recording. I’m sure Allen will have a lot more to say…
Another excellent video Tom! I ended up buying the MKH50 and the audio on my last video is much clearer and my voice actually sounds natural and as I hear it. What audio processing do you do when editing your videos? For example EQ filters, Compression, Reduce Noise, DeEss etc - it would be great to learn about your process.
Glad you're liking the 50! I don't do much processing, but I have recently started to use the Voice Isolation function in Final Cut every once in a while (just about 20% or so, not full blast).
The 416 won the plosives test hands down. The 50 actually preformed quite lousy on that, surprisingly considering the high price. Don't know how much "Phower" Tom put into those P's but the 50 really struggled 😲
I have an MKH50 and an NTG3 and I need to do some interviews at a race track. Which do you think is the better choice? Actually, the NTG3 should be better for outdoor, but the ambient noise worries me.
That's tricky. My impulse is almost to recommend something like a lav or handheld mic to get really close to the subject, but I do think the 50 is a tad more "directional" than the NTG3 (but definitely needs a big windscreen when outdoors).
Love your videos. I'm just about to invest in my first real mic and can't decide between the MKH50 and the MKH8050. Got any input? I do TH-cam and film interviews
I might be able to help, but I might also just make the decision tougher 😬 •You can't go wrong with the MKH50. The only "downside" is that it's 30 years old or so, so it's not cutting edge. But I don't know if that actually matters, honestly. •I haven't used the MKH8050, but in speaking with professional audio folks, they've told me that the 8000 series is Sennheiser's modern lineup. The biggest benefit is that they have some modular functionality, so you can add/change certain mic features down the line. I've also only heard great things about the audio quality (but again, I haven't used it myself to see). •If I'm not mistaken, the MKH50 is still a bit more directional, so it'll be better at rejecting background noise but making sure it's positioned well is crucial.
@@tombuck thank you. Binched your content for day. You are so likeable. Amazing stuff. Tyvm 🙏🧡 I also talked to Sennheiser and 8050 is out of production 😳 so choice is easy now 😉👍
Hey Tom, I’m curious what microphone you would recommend for my wife and I and our reaction channel? We sit side-by-side in front of our desk and currently using a VideoMic NTG to the RCP2 with XLR converter. It does pick up a little too much noise from our cats sometimes. I’d rather use an XLR mic instead
That's a good question! My first though is if you've tried some type of noise removal or voice isolation? If you edit in Final Cut, the new Voice Isolation feature is pretty awesome. It might be able to save your current setup. Otherwise you can go with mic in the frame (or a separate mic for each of you). Heather and I have shared her Shure MV7 on stream a few times and it works great for two people as long as you're pretty close together. Something like a Rode NT-1 might work too. It's a condenser with a slightly wider pickup pattern.
I'm glad you mentioned what was best for outdoors as I've been looking for something similar. Great overview. Do you think the Deity can be used outdoor for documentary/short film style vids for someone on a strict budget?
The Deity really is designed to be a "jack of all trades." It's plosive/wind rejection isn't quite as strong as the MKH416, but it's pretty good (and you could always get a deadcat if needed). The biggest thing is just that you'll probably need to EQ it a bit to make dialogue stand out.
@@tombuck Thanks really appreciate the reply. I don't mind EQ'ing at all so I'm going to add it to my list of possible mics. If I can score a good paying gig then we know what I'm getting! hahaha!
Do you have downloadable samples of your mic tests? I'm wondering if they will sound different than via what I hear via you tube. The slots in the 416 reject sound coming into the slots. So if you turn the mic, you change the orientation of the slots and what direction sounds are rejected from.
Tom, for voiceover TH-cam videos would you recommend the 416 to be on a boom arm/stand on your desk right in front of the subject or top down facing the subject from something like a Cstand or maxi pole?
Hey Gabriel! I think either method would work, but if I could choose, I would prefer a separate stand just to be sure that the mic doesn't pick up any sound or vibrations from the desk.
Hi! I wonder how well sound treated is your room you use the MKH50 in? I have a Rode NTG3 and can only record in my living room which is not good sound treated with reverb and so. I can not optimize this and search a better mic. SM7B is perfect but as nature of dynamic mic need to be near to mouth and in the direct view to my manuscript. How the MKH50 would perform in comparison to NTG3 in not good sound treated room. Viewing the specs my feeling would be that NTG3 should be better as MKH50 as there are less sensitivity to the rear as shotgun microphone.
I'd give my room a B on sound treatment. I do have two really nice acoustic panels (one on the wall facing me and another on the ceiling above). The room also has carpeted floors with quite a bit of stuff in it, so reverb isn't too bad, but it's definitely not anywhere near being professionally sound treated. I haven't used the NTG3 myself, so I can't say how it compares with the 50. I do know that my favorite things about the MKH50 are its sensitivity and off-axis rejection. It's really designed with less than ideal environments in mind.
@@tombuck many thanks for swift response. Ok a B is really good. If I would go to this system I would say my environment is C- or maybe D+. I have no carpet because I have several allergies and everything out of fabric and clothes is horrible. As I do not have a special room I can not optimize. Unfortunately. As I compare the directional diagrams of MKH50 and NTG3 I see the side rejection is nearly identical and the back slope is much more suppressed on the NTG3. For my understanding I would say that NTG3 is better for rejection. But on the other hand there is your opinion of it, also Curtis Judd is along with you and why many pros on set say the 50 is perfect for non ideal environments. Is it because this mic is used since decades and it is still used because it was ever used? I had a longer telephone conversation with Sennheiser senior engineer last week. He told me I.e. I have an MKH8060 or 416 I have no big improvements by using the 50. This makes me unsafe in making a decision and here is no rent to test it out first. Maybe you have the change to make a test of real shotgun microphone like the 416 or similar against the 50 in a non treated room like a kitchen or a living room or worst case scenario a bathroom.
Tom, how are you mounting your rodecaster pro 2 upright like that? I love that look not only bc it’s off the desk completely but it seem to be better accessible that if it were flat on the desk
I decided with the MKH 416 even though I prefer the MKH 50 sound more because I can get the 416 for USD$1000 but for the MKH50 it is alot more than USD$1200. But one thing for sure, the MKH 416 some how make your setup look more "PRO"
When I think of the MKH416 the words "industry standard" immediately pop into my head. It's the L.A. sound for voiceover and used extensively for outdoor filming locations. Does that mean it's the best? Not really. Industry standard means everyone knows how to dial it in and match it with all the other MKH416 recordings. I doubt I'll ever need or buy either one of these mics. If one or the other was offered to me as a gift I would take the MKH416, not because I like it better but because someone might walk in one day and ask me if I have one.
There's a strong cultural bias on these mics, the 416 sounds German with lots of detail in the highs, the 50 sounds more American with a warmer tone, throaty mids and a roll-off of high frequencies. From a sound engineer's perspective, I'd prefer to work with the 416 as it gives more options, but if you're not too savvy about sound processing, the 50 is more suited to an American audience right out of the box.
Truthfully, most mics can probably work with a bit of EQ for specific voices, but it’s definitely nice to find one that makes the process as easy as possible!
Your higher pitch gives an advantage when you use a high pass filter since it, in theory, affect the quality of your voice less and give you all the benefit of low frequency noise reduction. I would say that crispier sound would be preferable. You would want to look at the frequency response curve with a upward curve around the 5Khz area. Not an expert just a relatively well educated opinion
Ahh, sound treatment is always a bit tricky. That's definitely a good video idea! Generally speaking a super directional dynamic mic will usually do the best job at isolating sound and rejecting unwanted noise.
Hi @@tombuck Thank you for replying...I know this could be a tricky topic to cover. However, If possible please consider this topic as well because I believe there are a lot of aspiring TH-camrs out there who don't have a well-treated room or high-end audio setups to get started. Thank you so much ✌
Re the plosives.....the capsule itself in the 416 is down near the bottom of the grille on the sides so your air blast has dissipated by the time it gets there. Just fyi everyone, 416s don't like tight spaces.
Thx for the video but i kind of agree with many of the comments in that im not sure that you are using the microphones as they are designed for. Hard to know where to start. Mic placement is possibly the most obvious issue. The 416 as a one mic solution is a problem solver for filmmakers. So many reasons why but one thing that youtubers seem to love is to record video with mics in shot. Especially the insanity of holding their rode lav in their hands but the whole point of the 416 is that its designed to be out of frame and over head or on camera for some doc situations and used across a range of shooting scenarios. Its directional and that in itself is kind of the point when thinking about its side rejection characteristics. Also an important issue to note is how pros use lavs and shotguns together and how they mix and match. As for the final comment i would humbly disagree. Never trust your ears. As a sound engineer your ears become way too subjective and way too inaccurate very quickly. Always use meters and eq bands as a guide. Low rumble is low rumble whether you notice it or not. Sound is science. Dont leave sound to your ears. Meanwhile Use what pros use and as per the manufacturers specs and intention. Buy from a brand that does a range of mics for different applications. Eg Sennheiser. They wont sell you the wrong mic. These days there is software that can clean up and match sound so well that the important issues becomes capturing it in the first place. Always monitor using headphones. Dont wait until after the shoot to find out what you have recorded well. Shotguns have an optimal distance from the subject that makes them practical in film simply because on a wide they still can be out of frame and there is no massive difference in tone and quality to match when the shot is tighter and the mic is placed closer accordingly. I know that this channel is a great fun channel and more about the vibe and some terrible puns and one liners but it is important when talking about technique and mic design where possible to be clear. It doesnt have to be uninteresting but sound is science and use case design when it comes to microphones. Its pretty much that simple. Thanks for the video. Btw i know i am probably in a minority but i would love a few less puns and more chat about how you use equipment yourself. You are an incredibly personable presenter and well thought out instructor and that informed opinion and straightforward hey check this out this really is useful or this really works well for me, here’s how, have been my personal favourites in the past. Thx so much again.
Thank you so much for your input on this. Its really nice to hear such great view and info with genuine people in the comments. I was planning to sell my sm7b and juat get the mkh50 for end game gear as a solo creator but you definitely made a great point to consider. Thanks again!
The Oktava MK-012 is amazing value, particularly if you get the version with the hypercardioid, cardioid and omnidirectional capsules. Personally I love the sound. It works particularly well in small enclosed spaces, far better than many much more expensive options. You just have to be very careful with handling: it definately need a decent shock mount.
@@alzibaba I have that kit with all the capsules, but it is my first pencil condenser mic, and I just want to hear how different it is to the MKH50 with ambient rejection.
I wish more people knew what a "Boom Mic" actually is. It's so annoying hearing people trying to be cool and calling equipment the wrong name. A Boom Mic is a Shotgun Mic. I hate it when noobs call every mic a "Boom Mic". Unless it's a Shotgun Mic, the only thing called a Boom is the mic stand/arm the mic is attached to. More like a Mic Boom than a Boom Mic lol!
Because of the slats on the sides, the 416 does not sound as good in a small booth. The booth would need to be treated with very thick acoustic material, as much as 8 inches. That's because the lower frequencies bounce back-and-forth from one wall to the other and that creates resonance. The higher frequencies will be readily absorbed the lower ones come right back out.. That creates a muffled yet boxy resonance. The 416 actually sounds better In a larger room with carpeting and drapes, though that's still is not ideal because there is still some reverb. In a small booth with limited treatment, the mkh 50 is better
@@tombuck OK, you've put sooooo much work in those different setups (just imagining you carrying out everything for the outdoor takes...) so I just had to go back and listen through my studio monitors as well through the Status Audio CB-1 headphones (Closed Back Studio Monitors). I love these headphones and since I'm using it for all audio editing, I know their sound. Even after this other listening session, I still like the MKH50 the best. It's.... the best as a boom mic. I could of course use it as the close to the mouth mic and angle it a bit to avoid the plosives. But what surprised me was that when you went out, the Deity S-Mic 2 sounded just as good as the 416, and it costs much less. So if I'd need to choose there, I'd take the Diety for sure. I'm not saying 416 is hyped, it's obviously a great mic, but I'd definitely go those extra $200 to get the MKH50. It sounded best outdoors as well, of course, for my ears. I appreciate you taking the time and effort to then serve all this knowledge on a gold plate 🙂
Ahh yes, I've heard great things about the 8000 series. From what I understand, they're kind of Sennheiser's "next generation" and they have all kinds of cool modular functionality. I've also heard that they're not quite as directional as the 50, which is really what I love most about it.
I own MKH 20, 30, 40, 50 (2), 60 (2), 8040 and 8050. The only time I put up the 8040 or 8050 is if there is a low ceiling and I need the swivel to shorten the profile of the mic. I very much prefer the sound of the MKH50 to the 8050.
The explanation of low pass, means you are allowing the low frequency,, so when you enable the switch you are low cutting/ high passing… I think you explained it wrong ?
Fore myself I used the modern mkh50 I mean the 8050 I like this most because its flat. And with eq I can lett it sounds like a mkh50 or with another eq like a mkh416. And indoor the mkh8060 sounds very well
I want to level up my audio, but not all the way to the top :). Spending ~1K for a shotgun mic is just out of my range, but great comparison. Do you have a recommendation for best "beginner" shotgun mic? Most of the cheaper ones are really short camera mounted options, not great for a desk. Aside: B&H is amazing, glad to see your links going there, and hopefully they're affiliate links.
Thanks Chris! The Deity is a decent choice, but I've also had great experiences using the Audio Technica AT897. I think that's a really underrated choice. And yes, B&H was really kind to invite me to join their affiliate program 👍
Tom has great suggestions - and I’m a bit biased - but it sounds like a Sennheiser MKE 600 might be right in your wheelhouse. Highly versatile and easy to get great results with minor tweaking in post
May just be your recording setup Tom, but the bass on the MKH50 sounds almost disassociated from your voice - almost like two voices or harmonics with a huge octave spread. Doesn't sound natural.
Just sounds like a gigantic scoop has been taken out of the middle of the frequency spectrum. Definitely gives it a character - just too much. Other two sound just fine to my ears.
I originally bought it for a Halloween costume, but it's like a super nice actual lab coat from a science supply store, so I didn't want it to go to waste 😁
Both of these mics are pretty great, but here's my full review of the MKH50 if you want to know a little wiser about my personal favorite Heiser: th-cam.com/video/Sn3xhTuLqmw/w-d-xo.html
Hi there, thanks a lot for your great comparison videos. My 2 cents, your voice sounds really nice on the MKH416. Whenever you switch to the MKH50, I notice that it kind of gets muffled. But you are right, after a while the ear adapts and it doesn't matter. I listen on my Macbook Pro 2021 and I don't hear any noise that the MKH416 should have picked up in your setting.
@@tanjuerinmez You'd want to be using some good monitor speakers or quality headphones to really grasp the differences. These are already high end mics that far exceed the quility of any Macbook, tablet, laptop or built in speaker out there. With my lowish end monitors the Kanto YU2 I can clearly hear the more bold deeper sound of the MKH50, the same mic that Gerald Undone uses. Bold sound gets cut off on all small speakers, especially built in sound so it makes sense that it sounds "muffled" on your swtup. The MKH416 is more of a natural brighter sound that small speakers can better represent.
Hi Tom, I need some assistance. I have the MKH50 boom out of shot on my desk with the Audient ID4 MKII audio interface. My room is not super silent, there are fans around as our A/C broke down. I'm mainly using it for Zoom Meetings, VOIP calls. However, in order for the other party to hear me on the other end, I need to put the gain to almost maximum level, the Audient ID4 MK II has about 58db of gain. However, when I do that, the mic become super sensitive and it picks up sounds of television from my living room with the door close. Am I doing something wrong? Because I tried it with my fans off and TV off. However, when I put the gain to a level where the other side can hear me, it become super sensitive that is able to pick up everything that is not pointed at. I'm not sure what's the problem as this is my only audio interface. Is this how it is suppose to be without any expander/noise gate and compressor or is it because my audio interface is not getting enough power from my laptop or this is just how the mic works? Please help me out. Thank you.
It's a low cut filter on the MKH50. Also a high pass filter. I make the same mistake all the time.
Hey Tom, quick history of the 416 from a voiceover perspective. The 416 was made popular by Ernie Anderson who was the prolific VO guy in the 80's. He used the 416 because he preferred to record in the control room and needed a mic that had great room rejection. It kinda became the sound of the promo read. Don Lafontane, and Joe Ciperiano both used the mic for all their work as well. Thanks for the vid!
Awesome, thank you for that history lesson! I was surprised to learn how long it's been around. For some reason, I thought it was less than 20 years old and I was totally wrong.
Not for all of their work. Lafontane was using the Manley Reference Cardioid almost exclusively at the end of his life.
@@tombuck believe it or not, the original 416 was introduced in 1975… crazy, right?!
Which do you think is better?
I have a 416 and it doesn’t reject reverb in a small booth because of the slats. It causes phase cancellation, low frequencies bouncing off the foam from one wall to the other. It sounds boxy and overly resonant and bass rich. The foam eats up most the high frequencies. The 416 rejects outside noise quite well. It’s best in larger partially treated rooms or very very heavily treated small booths, like 8” of rockwool.
And yes, it is extremely popular with top VO artists under the right conditions, PY0RPN8kvhs
nailed it! glad you found so many of the same differences I did when testing these mics. tone is certainly different... and for me, close talking the mics, the plosive rejection of the 416 made it the one I stuck with (even though I do prefer the 50's tone!). well done.
Thanks Brodie! I really didn't expect them to sound so different, but it's pretty wild. The 416's plosive rejection is really the best I've found on almost any mic.
now I want MKH50 😍 the sound is amazing inside & outside.
I have MKH600 but the MKH50 blows me away😍.
thanks for the great video 🙏
I really love the 50! To me it sort of seems like this low key, ultra reliable workhorse that's been around for decades and just delivers every time.
Tom, there's a few things missed here. The 416 and 816 were used primarily on film sets decades ago because they are RF biased and very resilient to moisture. To do ADR properly, the post guys of the era had to have a 416 in their studios. That got it into studios everywhere and trained people to like the sound in a recording studio although some of the most legendary engineers hate the 416 claiming it sounds too metallic.
Both of these microphones shine overhead and using them on a desk has become commonplace recently but that doesn't mean it sounds ideal. When you took the 416/50 outside I cringed because there is a skill to underbooming but you did take them overhead later so all is forgiven. Personally it irritates me when I see that it's become commonplace and accepted to misuse a microphone. Many content creators do it including MKBHD with his 416 if he is still underbooming with it. I know the 416 has become a commonplace voice over microphone because of it's dark sound and reach but it still sounds best overhead.
I'm definitely (obviously) not a pro, but I do think there's value in showing how the average person might encounter/use these since we aren't lucky enough to have our own personal Allens around at all times 😁
@@tombuck There is. You're right. I'm one person with an opinion but there are millions with a different one.
Agree. There is no film/movie production I was on where we used the 416 indoors. None. Just overhead outdoors. Indoors more the 50 or 60 besides the Neumann KM 184/185 or may be a Schoeps.
first video with your 100k sub plaque in the background! congrats once again! well deserved and onwards to the 1m plaque
It’s been hard to find a spot where the light doesn’t reflect and make it distracting- the ultimate first world problem 😁
I came here because the MKH50 is on my wishlist. I bought the MKH416 back in 2016. I will say while the MKH50 sounds much warmer, I still prefer the clarity of the MKH416. Each time you switch to it, I had this feeling of "that's better". The MKH50 almost had a cramped feeling to it, while the MKH416 sounded as though the sound had been set free... if that makes any sense.
I have Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, if that makes any difference.
Totally makes sense- and so much really does come down to personal preference, especially when it comes to two super high quality mics.
There was no EQ or anything applied to either mic, so the sound of each could definitely be dialed in further.
Sennheiser MKH416 is definitely the industry standard, but I'd pick the "hidden-gem" Sennheiser MKE 600 shotgun mic definitely over anything else if under 600-1000$, value for money with that is just nuts, especially if you find it used online!
Hey, when it comes to voice overs, we've been using the trusty old 416 for a long time now. It's been on my A-list for around 15 years or so! By the way, I just wanted to say that the video you shared is absolutely amazing! Great sound the mkh 50 too!
I find it intriguing that it's a tube mic but still a broadcast mic that excludes ambient noise. Condensers are normally not that directional. I have a very expensive tube mic that works almost opposite to the 416 as it picks up my neighbors secrets and choppers flying by. In dead silence it sound very warm and wide, but it's too sensitive for most parts so I'm considering another mic. Do you use the 416 for commercial VO work or is it for reading audio books and similar? Is it an allrounder?
Thanks a lot for this. I love the MKH50. The timber in the voice is amazing. MKH416 seems a bit harsh at the highs. What MKH50 does is accentuate the mid base of the voice. Its not boomy. All other mikes do have a low end but it sound more boomy
My thoughts exactly. I definitely understand why people love the 416 and I’ve heard it used with incredible results, but the 50 is just something extra special.
My ears could be biased bc of what you said but I agree, 416 sounds better (imo) outside, getting more of the airyness. And the 50 more focused sounding indoors, like what you would expect talking to someone in an office vs outdoors. Also, favorite line; "it's ok, it was for science" 🥰
It's all for science 🥼🧪🧬
Thanks for the review, this helped a lot. Especially the plosives part. I definitely prefer how MKH416 sounds and just ordered it. Maybe I'm biased because, like you said, it's such a popular mic and I have gotten used to it (for example watching Dave2D videos :), but also MKH50 is too bassy/rumbling for my liking. IMO, it sounds fatiguing. MKH416 has plenty of bass too, but it's definitely a brighter mic overall.
Totally agree. The 50 sounded very muddy to me in comparison to the 416.
@@cgriesemer When he compared the sound to the SM7B, I was like "Yep, same muddy sound as the SM7B".
I have been using the 416 for around 1 year now and I love it!!
Ahh yes, I remember when you started using it!
Been using the MKH50 for years, bought it 7 years ago after my $200 mic started to fail. It's very solid, I find that it has a much narrow pickup pattern then most mics out there which is great. but unusable outside as any slight breeze makes it sound like a tornado. So if you can only get one I'd def get the 416 as it'll be more versatile.
If you're no aware of the MKH-50's secret flaw, visit my channel and run a search for that. It will surprise you.
If you tape up the buttons on the 50 it fixes a lot of the wind noise.
Would you recommend using the foam microphone cover in an indoor studio on the MKH50? The room is treated.
You've done it again! The perfect review right when I needed it. Thanks!
I'm glad to hear it! 🙌
Hi Tom, thanks for doing this! Just curious, how well is your room treated? I'm leaning towards the mkh50, but have a fairly well treated space.
Hi Tom, great review. Thank you for the video!
Would love to have the mkh50, right now happy with the AT4053b for indoor dialogue. 🎙
AT makes some really great mics. I used a bunch of 897's at my old teaching job and they always sounded great (I think they're about $250).
I started with the 50 like a month ago, but decided to return it and get an SM7B and the 416, and I have to say I was surprised how much more I like the 416 even in a small studio space🤷🏻♂️
Both great mics and I appreciate your reviews they have helped a lot!
I'm glad yo shared this, it's super important to find what works best for you, especially in a specific environment and with a specific voice. Plus you can never go wrong by having an SM7B around 👍
What did you notice was different or better? Idk which to buy
Nice! I have the 416 and also learnt about the 50 after I bought it. Since I always shoot indoors and myself, the 50 would have been more interesting for me. But now I don't want to spend another fortune for the 50 :D
The 416 is a super stellar mic! I just found it interesting that the 50 seems to be so overlooked.
The 416 picked up too much room noise for my setup, even run through eq live. Needed post, but I’m doing virtual calls and streaming. Could not get good sound in my apartment downtown for an untreated room. It made me really sad. Looking at the 50 now. I wanted to get a boom mic that sounded like my SM7B without a mic in my face… the 416 is the absolutely wrong choice for that. Great video. Thanks!
Same here. Did that work for you?
Did 50 worked better for you? I have the same situation here
@@andriibudim6996 Yes, worked WWWAAYYYY better. But you still to make sure what every is behind you is not making noise. Otherwise it's great.
Omg Tom! You are hilarious! I’ve always wanted a 416, but after watching your video I am considering the 50 as I am trying to reduce off axis sound. My German made condenser picks up everything especially the neighbors when they mow their lawns. Obviously I have a less than ideal rec environment.
Thanks Tony! They're both outstanding mics, but I definitely prefer the 50. It's just so good! I've been using mine for close to 2 years now and am still always impressed by it.
ultimate SHOWDOWN!!!!! I got the 416, and my first reaction was: "wow this sounds HARSH" on the high, crispy end of EQ. My voice just has a lot of Ssssss sizzle and this mic emphasizes that on my voice! Room treatment was necessary with this mic, because the sound reflections in my room are all in the high end. But, I figured out to point mic at chest AND I put on the big fluffy windscreen, and a rolls off the harshness and sounds awesome. Honestly, I like the MKH50 (although I need to hear on my voice). The 416 can make you sound like a radio announcer, if ya like that kind of tone... I do, but not for everything.
Ahh yes, a windscreen can totally save the day sometimes too. Your audio always sound awesome, so whatever you're doing is working 👍
Very nice, man! I have them both and love them both for different applications.
Great video! How do they compare to my personal favourite the mke 600?
man can you please share your lawn care routine with us, its so nice and green
Sure thing:
Step 1: Write a check to the gardener every month
Step 2: Always make sure to compliment his work 😁
@@tombuck ah very nice
Great review, worth 100x the clicks and thumbs up. To my ears, the MKH50's mellower timbre gives male voices that podcast sound, while the MKH416 has a bit more of a flat response, with a slightly thinner sound, but more 'sparkle' in the high end. It would have been great to recruit a woman to hear how both of them capture a slightly higher pitched voice. If anyone cares to make a sub-$500 Schoeps sound-alike, please let us know.
It really is crazy how different mics sound on different voices. 🤯
Great comparison! The 416 reminds me a lot of the pre EQ'd sound of the Rode NTG3 (could be a pro or con, depending on what you're going for).
I've only used the NTG2, but I've heard nothing but great things about the NTG3 and NTG5 (I wasn't particularly fond of the 2).
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, MKH50 has so much more base to it. It's much better on the lower frequencies apparently. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Such a great mic!
I use a Shure VP89M for work and it's amazing. Always surprised it doesn't get a mention in mic videos.
I haven't heard of that one! I'll have to look into it.
I ordered MKH-416 and almost regretted.
After watching your review and see that it rejects plosives better than 50, so I am glad that I chose that.
Although the tone of 50 is great and it is especially better for room, I will use MKH-416 in a small room anyway.
Thank you for a great review.
Gerald Undone uses the MKH50. The MKH50 has a nice BOLD sound, which makes it really stick out if that that is the sound you want. Someone with an already deep sounding voice may want something brighter like the MKH416. It all comes down to what sounds best for "your" voice. I use the Audio-Technica AT4040, which is about half the price but is for indoor use.
Yep, individual voice makes a HUGE difference! I was also really happy to see a Gerald using the MKH50- his audio always sounds great.
7:09 something that the MAJORITY of people don’t take into account and it is such a great point.
I've been wanting to purchase the MKH50 for around a year now and this further solidifies my decision.
It's absolutely worth it! I can't tell you how much easier things have been since I've started using it.
Last time I watched one of your microphone videos it became very expensive.... 😂😂 But I really appreciate that you make these videos. They make my videos a lot better!
Thanks Jens! Just wait until you see the video about that $2400 mic 😁
(Don’t worry though, I’ll make it very clear that the point is NOT to go spend $2400 haha)
@@tombuck I am NOT going to watch that, I need to feed my family as well... 😂😂 (I might be lying....)
Hi Tom. Glad you added the Diety in there, provided good context.
Stellar microphone review video, thank you.
I love the Deity up close, but I’ve e ever been able to get great results when it’s far away. I know other people like Tyler Stalman use it boomed out of frame and it sounds incredible 🤷🏻♂️
I wish your neighbors could’ve peaked over the fence when you were getting your thumbnail made 😂! Great content as always Tom.
I try REALLY hard not to think about that. They can easily see over the fence and have definitely been out there while I’m recording goofy videos 😬
@@tombuck Lol I’m sure they appreciate listening to your puns, at the very least
Thanks Tom!. MKH50 sounds better. The MKH416 is to hyped on the high end. Ik makes the 's'' and te 'c' to sharp for my liking.
This really did make me personally appreciate the 50 even more. 🙌
As the mic fan you are, I need to provide you with Oktova MK012, completely different league (and completely different price as well, in Europe it's USD 200/250 I believe)... Just to see what you think about it... Otherwise I really like how the MKH50 sounds
Ahh yes, I've heard nothing but great things about them! Maybe that can be on a future B&H "borrow list" 😁
@@tombuck I'm not sure they have it actually. It's many moons back but I was once in NYC on business trip and asked - assuming that gears are generally a bit cheaper in the US - and they didn't have it then. But do let me know, if they don't I'll find a way... 👍
Hi Tom, I've come back to this video multiple times over the last several months. I listened through my desktop speakers and then with my studio headset. Only listening and not being persuaded by the visual of the video I would say the 416 is the richer more realistic sound. The 50 sounds like a podcast/radio mic and not as realistic as the 416. I've been using the 416 for the last 2yrs and been teetering on the 50 for my indoor use to eliminate reverb, but I'm wondering if a little voice isolation would clean it up in DaVinci Resolve. The price doesn't scare me since I do this for a living, but I also would rather allocate my budget towards other production improving gear. What kind of EQ'ing do you do with the 50 in post? Do you bring back some of the high tones? Thanks again and keep up the excellent work!
Great video!!! 9:26 has the most satisfying sound. 😆
Right?! Weirdly satisfying.
The 416 sounds so good. Geez. I've known this for years but wow...
It's a really crisp mic, definitely deserving of its reputation. 👍
Came in clutch! Idk which to buy. What if I’m gonna be treating my room as I go? I love the sound off the 416 and I love the sound iso on the 50. Help ! Thanks !!
I think you have a microphone addiction. 😀 Great review Tom - thank you.
Oh I'm fully aware haha: th-cam.com/video/A2SqdqTkAsw/w-d-xo.html
😁
I think the way it sounds (the MKH50), It sounds like a good high tone audio.
But it's very good when I use my headphones listening to it.
And the low pass filter actually really helps reducing the hum in the audio. (Or even that, It cuts the low frequencies)
If I'm going to choose one for mine, I'll going to use a MKH50 anyways.
Because the Senhaiser MKH50 sounds way better than my 7RYMS Minbo Mini. (Or maybe a draw?)
Wonderful video. I've wanted to get a Shotgun/Boom mic so I can run and gun more. I really Enjoyed the Amount of clarity these mics offered.
Glad it was helpful! There are a million great choices out there at all different price ranges, but these two are some true classics 👍
What sounds better the mkh50 or the shure sm7b with the goxlr and cloudlifter? I can't decide which one to get. I should also mention my room isn't sound proofed but I heard with the shure sm7b you have to be right on the mic the whole time because it's dynamic. That's why im interested on the mkh50 but I'm not sure if it will pick up a lot of background noise?
Personally, I think that decision is less about sound and more about how you plan to use the mic. They're both excellent mics, so you'll sound great no matter what. Like you said, the Shure needs you to be close to it, but it'll do a better job of rejecting other noise in your space.
The Sennheiser is a better option if you don't want to be super close to the mic and/or want to keep it out of a camera frame. It will pick up more environmental sound, but worst case scenario it's not too tough to fix that with some software during editing.
Maybe it me but both are overkill for a TH-cam. The Rode NTG is about as good as most people need. I have both mic’s and TV studio and movies use both but the 416 is a standard but they want clean sound that totally processed after the recording. I’m sure Allen will have a lot more to say…
I don’t believe in overkill 😉
But the NTG is by far the best value overall. Such a great mic!
Another excellent video Tom! I ended up buying the MKH50 and the audio on my last video is much clearer and my voice actually sounds natural and as I hear it. What audio processing do you do when editing your videos? For example EQ filters, Compression, Reduce Noise, DeEss etc - it would be great to learn about your process.
Glad you're liking the 50! I don't do much processing, but I have recently started to use the Voice Isolation function in Final Cut every once in a while (just about 20% or so, not full blast).
LOLOLOL "It's hot" LOLOLOL I lost it!!
The 416 won the plosives test hands down. The 50 actually preformed quite lousy on that, surprisingly considering the high price. Don't know how much "Phower" Tom put into those P's but the 50 really struggled 😲
"How the hell do you make a Mario jump sound?"
*pulls pop filter off mic*
"oh!"
I have an MKH50 and an NTG3 and I need to do some interviews at a race track. Which do you think is the better choice? Actually, the NTG3 should be better for outdoor, but the ambient noise worries me.
That's tricky. My impulse is almost to recommend something like a lav or handheld mic to get really close to the subject, but I do think the 50 is a tad more "directional" than the NTG3 (but definitely needs a big windscreen when outdoors).
Ohhh This should be good. I have the Deity S-Mic2 and I’m torn on wanting to get the MKH50 OR spend more time sound treating…
Sound treating is always a good choice, but dang, the 50 is incredible.
Love you video's. Thank Tom! Helpful.
Glad you like them!
The MKH50 signature is so much deeper and rich than the MKH416 - Which, I really like - The S-MIC2 isn't anywhere close IMHO. Thanks, Tom
I was really surprised by how different they sounded, I didn't expect that at all. The 50 is tiny, but it packs a huge punch 👍
Hey Tom, do you record audio separate from the video and then sync it up with XLR mics?
Usually, yes 👍
@@tombuck Thanks!
Love your videos. I'm just about to invest in my first real mic and can't decide between the MKH50 and the MKH8050. Got any input? I do TH-cam and film interviews
I might be able to help, but I might also just make the decision tougher 😬
•You can't go wrong with the MKH50. The only "downside" is that it's 30 years old or so, so it's not cutting edge. But I don't know if that actually matters, honestly.
•I haven't used the MKH8050, but in speaking with professional audio folks, they've told me that the 8000 series is Sennheiser's modern lineup. The biggest benefit is that they have some modular functionality, so you can add/change certain mic features down the line. I've also only heard great things about the audio quality (but again, I haven't used it myself to see).
•If I'm not mistaken, the MKH50 is still a bit more directional, so it'll be better at rejecting background noise but making sure it's positioned well is crucial.
@@tombuck thank you. Binched your content for day. You are so likeable. Amazing stuff. Tyvm 🙏🧡
I also talked to Sennheiser and 8050 is out of production 😳 so choice is easy now 😉👍
Hey Tom, I’m curious what microphone you would recommend for my wife and I and our reaction channel? We sit side-by-side in front of our desk and currently using a VideoMic NTG to the RCP2 with XLR converter. It does pick up a little too much noise from our cats sometimes. I’d rather use an XLR mic instead
That's a good question! My first though is if you've tried some type of noise removal or voice isolation? If you edit in Final Cut, the new Voice Isolation feature is pretty awesome. It might be able to save your current setup.
Otherwise you can go with mic in the frame (or a separate mic for each of you). Heather and I have shared her Shure MV7 on stream a few times and it works great for two people as long as you're pretty close together.
Something like a Rode NT-1 might work too. It's a condenser with a slightly wider pickup pattern.
I can confirm, I watched the MKBHD studio tour video, and totally got the MKH 416 because of the quality of his videos. 😂 just being honest.
I'm glad you mentioned what was best for outdoors as I've been looking for something similar. Great overview. Do you think the Deity can be used outdoor for documentary/short film style vids for someone on a strict budget?
The Deity really is designed to be a "jack of all trades." It's plosive/wind rejection isn't quite as strong as the MKH416, but it's pretty good (and you could always get a deadcat if needed).
The biggest thing is just that you'll probably need to EQ it a bit to make dialogue stand out.
@@tombuck Thanks really appreciate the reply. I don't mind EQ'ing at all so I'm going to add it to my list of possible mics. If I can score a good paying gig then we know what I'm getting! hahaha!
Hey I was wondering if you could maybe review the Zoom M3 Mictrack that zoom just released it looked really interesting. Thanks!
Do you have downloadable samples of your mic tests? I'm wondering if they will sound different than via what I hear via you tube. The slots in the 416 reject sound coming into the slots. So if you turn the mic, you change the orientation of the slots and what direction sounds are rejected from.
Tom, for voiceover TH-cam videos would you recommend the 416 to be on a boom arm/stand on your desk right in front of the subject or top down facing the subject from something like a Cstand or maxi pole?
Hey Gabriel! I think either method would work, but if I could choose, I would prefer a separate stand just to be sure that the mic doesn't pick up any sound or vibrations from the desk.
@@tombuck thank you
MKH 50 is also a great mic for acoustic music instruments live or in the studio.
Hi! I wonder how well sound treated is your room you use the MKH50 in? I have a Rode NTG3 and can only record in my living room which is not good sound treated with reverb and so. I can not optimize this and search a better mic. SM7B is perfect but as nature of dynamic mic need to be near to mouth and in the direct view to my manuscript. How the MKH50 would perform in comparison to NTG3 in not good sound treated room. Viewing the specs my feeling would be that NTG3 should be better as MKH50 as there are less sensitivity to the rear as shotgun microphone.
I'd give my room a B on sound treatment. I do have two really nice acoustic panels (one on the wall facing me and another on the ceiling above). The room also has carpeted floors with quite a bit of stuff in it, so reverb isn't too bad, but it's definitely not anywhere near being professionally sound treated.
I haven't used the NTG3 myself, so I can't say how it compares with the 50. I do know that my favorite things about the MKH50 are its sensitivity and off-axis rejection. It's really designed with less than ideal environments in mind.
@@tombuck many thanks for swift response. Ok a B is really good. If I would go to this system I would say my environment is C- or maybe D+. I have no carpet because I have several allergies and everything out of fabric and clothes is horrible. As I do not have a special room I can not optimize. Unfortunately.
As I compare the directional diagrams of MKH50 and NTG3 I see the side rejection is nearly identical and the back slope is much more suppressed on the NTG3. For my understanding I would say that NTG3 is better for rejection. But on the other hand there is your opinion of it, also Curtis Judd is along with you and why many pros on set say the 50 is perfect for non ideal environments. Is it because this mic is used since decades and it is still used because it was ever used? I had a longer telephone conversation with Sennheiser senior engineer last week. He told me I.e. I have an MKH8060 or 416 I have no big improvements by using the 50. This makes me unsafe in making a decision and here is no rent to test it out first.
Maybe you have the change to make a test of real shotgun microphone like the 416 or similar against the 50 in a non treated room like a kitchen or a living room or worst case scenario a bathroom.
I am wondering if you can make comparison video against the Schoeps CMC641.
I'll have to see if I can ever get my hands on another Schoeps, but hopefully one day!
Tom, how are you mounting your rodecaster pro 2 upright like that? I love that look not only bc it’s off the desk completely but it seem to be better accessible that if it were flat on the desk
It's really helpful to have it on an arm! Any generic VESA mount will work, but this is the one I have: geni.us/aPPb
@@tombuck wait so the back has holes for mounting?? I didn’t know that
I decided with the MKH 416 even though I prefer the MKH 50 sound more because I can get the 416 for USD$1000 but for the MKH50 it is alot more than USD$1200. But one thing for sure, the MKH 416 some how make your setup look more "PRO"
When I think of the MKH416 the words "industry standard" immediately pop into my head. It's the L.A. sound for voiceover and used extensively for outdoor filming locations. Does that mean it's the best? Not really. Industry standard means everyone knows how to dial it in and match it with all the other MKH416 recordings. I doubt I'll ever need or buy either one of these mics. If one or the other was offered to me as a gift I would take the MKH416, not because I like it better but because someone might walk in one day and ask me if I have one.
Very interesting perspective, I like it 👍
@@tombuck thanks Tom. Peace, long life and prosperity to you.
There's a strong cultural bias on these mics, the 416 sounds German with lots of detail in the highs, the 50 sounds more American with a warmer tone, throaty mids and a roll-off of high frequencies. From a sound engineer's perspective, I'd prefer to work with the 416 as it gives more options, but if you're not too savvy about sound processing, the 50 is more suited to an American audience right out of the box.
That's interesting. As an American who wants to do as little post processing as possible, I definitely prefer the 50.
@@tombuck No surprise :D Just use compression lightly if you do, the low frequency emphasis will result in a thinner sound once compressed.
Have you tried the Schoeps MK41? I prefer this microphone indoors over the shotguns.
I've only tried one Schoeps, the CMIT5U, and it was absolutely incredible.
As a woman, i struggle figuring out which mic would be better for me!! the mk50 is so nice, but my voice is a bit higher pitched. hmmmmm
Truthfully, most mics can probably work with a bit of EQ for specific voices, but it’s definitely nice to find one that makes the process as easy as possible!
Your higher pitch gives an advantage when you use a high pass filter since it, in theory, affect the quality of your voice less and give you all the benefit of low frequency noise reduction. I would say that crispier sound would be preferable. You would want to look at the frequency response curve with a upward curve around the 5Khz area. Not an expert just a relatively well educated opinion
MKH 416 is really easy to work and it has excellent sound!
Tom could you please do a video on the pros and cons of wall mounting a mic arm vs desk clamp mic arm?
The crazy rise in the popularity of the 416 happened decades ago. Most top notch VO actors either have the 416 or the U87.
Hi
Thank you for making this video
Can you make a video on the best mic for an untreated room?
Ahh, sound treatment is always a bit tricky. That's definitely a good video idea!
Generally speaking a super directional dynamic mic will usually do the best job at isolating sound and rejecting unwanted noise.
Hi @@tombuck
Thank you for replying...I know this could be a tricky topic to cover. However, If possible please consider this topic as well because I believe there are a lot of aspiring TH-camrs out there who don't have a well-treated room or high-end audio setups to get started.
Thank you so much ✌
Re the plosives.....the capsule itself in the 416 is down near the bottom of the grille on the sides so your air blast has dissipated by the time it gets there.
Just fyi everyone, 416s don't like tight spaces.
Thx for the video but i kind of agree with many of the comments in that im not sure that you are using the microphones as they are designed for. Hard to know where to start. Mic placement is possibly the most obvious issue. The 416 as a one mic solution is a problem solver for filmmakers. So many reasons why but one thing that youtubers seem to love is to record video with mics in shot. Especially the insanity of holding their rode lav in their hands but the whole point of the 416 is that its designed to be out of frame and over head or on camera for some doc situations and used across a range of shooting scenarios. Its directional and that in itself is kind of the point when thinking about its side rejection characteristics. Also an important issue to note is how pros use lavs and shotguns together and how they mix and match. As for the final comment i would humbly disagree. Never trust your ears. As a sound engineer your ears become way too subjective and way too inaccurate very quickly. Always use meters and eq bands as a guide. Low rumble is low rumble whether you notice it or not. Sound is science. Dont leave sound to your ears. Meanwhile Use what pros use and as per the manufacturers specs and intention. Buy from a brand that does a range of mics for different applications. Eg Sennheiser. They wont sell you the wrong mic. These days there is software that can clean up and match sound so well that the important issues becomes capturing it in the first place. Always monitor using headphones. Dont wait until after the shoot to find out what you have recorded well. Shotguns have an optimal distance from the subject that makes them practical in film simply because on a wide they still can be out of frame and there is no massive difference in tone and quality to match when the shot is tighter and the mic is placed closer accordingly. I know that this channel is a great fun channel and more about the vibe and some terrible puns and one liners but it is important when talking about technique and mic design where possible to be clear. It doesnt have to be uninteresting but sound is science and use case design when it comes to microphones. Its pretty much that simple. Thanks for the video. Btw i know i am probably in a minority but i would love a few less puns and more chat about how you use equipment yourself. You are an incredibly personable presenter and well thought out instructor and that informed opinion and straightforward hey check this out this really is useful or this really works well for me, here’s how, have been my personal favourites in the past. Thx so much again.
Thank you so much for your input on this. Its really nice to hear such great view and info with genuine people in the comments. I was planning to sell my sm7b and juat get the mkh50 for end game gear as a solo creator but you definitely made a great point to consider. Thanks again!
Can compare it to the Oktava MK-012?
I definitely need to check out Oktava mics!
@@tombuck THANK YOU!
The Oktava MK-012 is amazing value, particularly if you get the version with the hypercardioid, cardioid and omnidirectional capsules. Personally I love the sound. It works particularly well in small enclosed spaces, far better than many much more expensive options. You just have to be very careful with handling: it definately need a decent shock mount.
@@alzibaba I have that kit with all the capsules, but it is my first pencil condenser mic, and I just want to hear how different it is to the MKH50 with ambient rejection.
I wish more people knew what a "Boom Mic" actually is. It's so annoying hearing people trying to be cool and calling equipment the wrong name. A Boom Mic is a Shotgun Mic. I hate it when noobs call every mic a "Boom Mic". Unless it's a Shotgun Mic, the only thing called a Boom is the mic stand/arm the mic is attached to. More like a Mic Boom than a Boom Mic lol!
Tom. What headphones are you using?
I've been using the Rode NTH-100's since they cam out earlier this year and I love them.
So where do I get ammo for this microphone?
That shoeps sounds gooooood
It really does! I'm working on a dedicated video about it that should be finished soon. 👍
@@tombuck looking forward to that one.
We used the Schoeps CMIT for indoors on TV productions - great mic, but expensive.
Because of the slats on the sides, the 416 does not sound as good in a small booth. The booth would need to be treated with very thick acoustic material, as much as 8 inches. That's because the lower frequencies bounce back-and-forth from one wall to the other and that creates resonance. The higher frequencies will be readily absorbed the lower ones come right back out.. That creates a muffled yet boxy resonance. The 416 actually sounds better In a larger room with carpeting and drapes, though that's still is not ideal because there is still some reverb. In a small booth with limited treatment, the mkh 50 is better
Oh yes, the MKH50 sounds better, the 416 is pretty middrangey. Great review!
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the 50 in my setup.
@@tombuck OK, you've put sooooo much work in those different setups (just imagining you carrying out everything for the outdoor takes...) so I just had to go back and listen through my studio monitors as well through the Status Audio CB-1 headphones (Closed Back Studio Monitors). I love these headphones and since I'm using it for all audio editing, I know their sound.
Even after this other listening session, I still like the MKH50 the best. It's.... the best as a boom mic. I could of course use it as the close to the mouth mic and angle it a bit to avoid the plosives.
But what surprised me was that when you went out, the Deity S-Mic 2 sounded just as good as the 416, and it costs much less. So if I'd need to choose there, I'd take the Diety for sure.
I'm not saying 416 is hyped, it's obviously a great mic, but I'd definitely go those extra $200 to get the MKH50. It sounded best outdoors as well, of course, for my ears.
I appreciate you taking the time and effort to then serve all this knowledge on a gold plate 🙂
Those jokes got you a new subscriber. Love it
I love it.
Would like you to try MKH8050. Heard it is better than MKH50 when using indoor and its sound is closer to the sm7b ;)
Ahh yes, I've heard great things about the 8000 series. From what I understand, they're kind of Sennheiser's "next generation" and they have all kinds of cool modular functionality. I've also heard that they're not quite as directional as the 50, which is really what I love most about it.
I own MKH 20, 30, 40, 50 (2), 60 (2), 8040 and 8050. The only time I put up the 8040 or 8050 is if there is a low ceiling and I need the swivel to shorten the profile of the mic. I very much prefer the sound of the MKH50 to the 8050.
The explanation of low pass, means you are allowing the low frequency,, so when you enable the switch you are low cutting/ high passing… I think you explained it wrong ?
I probably did, I always get it mixed up 🤦🏻♂️
Tom in the wild!!
My very scientific laboratory. For science.
Fore myself I used the modern mkh50 I mean the 8050 I like this most because its flat. And with eq I can lett it sounds like a mkh50 or with another eq like a mkh416.
And indoor the mkh8060 sounds very well
I want to level up my audio, but not all the way to the top :). Spending ~1K for a shotgun mic is just out of my range, but great comparison. Do you have a recommendation for best "beginner" shotgun mic? Most of the cheaper ones are really short camera mounted options, not great for a desk.
Aside: B&H is amazing, glad to see your links going there, and hopefully they're affiliate links.
Thanks Chris!
The Deity is a decent choice, but I've also had great experiences using the Audio Technica AT897. I think that's a really underrated choice.
And yes, B&H was really kind to invite me to join their affiliate program 👍
@@tombuck Thank you!
Tom has great suggestions - and I’m a bit biased - but it sounds like a Sennheiser MKE 600 might be right in your wheelhouse. Highly versatile and easy to get great results with minor tweaking in post
@@robb.blumenreder Thanks!
I can see why the 416 is used professionally the difference is crazy lol
May just be your recording setup Tom, but the bass on the MKH50 sounds almost disassociated from your voice - almost like two voices or harmonics with a huge octave spread. Doesn't sound natural.
Interesting- I haven't noticed anything like that but maybe I'll need to listen harder or with different headphones. 🤔
Just sounds like a gigantic scoop has been taken out of the middle of the frequency spectrum. Definitely gives it a character - just too much. Other two sound just fine to my ears.
The 416 sounds WAY better!
The MKH50 is a Hyper-Cardioid mic, NOT shotgun FYI
Can you test a Neumann TLM 107?
Yup.... I need a labcoat.
I originally bought it for a Halloween costume, but it's like a super nice actual lab coat from a science supply store, so I didn't want it to go to waste 😁
The MKH50 is not a shotgun mic, it's a boom pole mic for capturing dialog.
In the boomed format, I liked the 416 the best.